**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 02 02:59:58 2012 Jun 02 06:37:25 na ir naujienos sendiena Jun 02 06:37:59 ups, sorry Jun 02 08:56:02 how can I get a recent gcc on maemo? Jun 02 09:09:56 eddyb: in SDK? Wouldn't that also require recompiling really everything else? Jun 02 09:10:41 so, should I switch to mer/tizen? Jun 02 09:11:06 I haven't found anything on tizen, but mer (as Nemo) has an external SD card installation guide Jun 02 09:20:04 please don't tell me I bricked this thing with uboot Jun 02 09:20:22 nope, just slow booting as always Jun 02 09:20:22 eddyb, well, Maemo is rather dead. Cannot recommend anything as I don't know what you want to do. Jun 02 09:20:35 uboot worked for me when I installed it three weeks ago on an N900 Jun 02 09:20:42 (and Mer in parallel) Jun 02 09:20:56 yepp, didn't break Jun 02 09:21:32 omg, I thought "rebooting eats your battery" wasn't that bad Jun 02 09:29:18 and I only have 1GB microSD cards, not enough for mer Jun 02 09:31:20 16gb microsd is not enough for mer :o Jun 02 09:31:21 ? Jun 02 09:31:46 can't you read? Jun 02 09:31:48 1GB Jun 02 09:32:09 dyslexic eeek Jun 02 09:32:15 see :) Jun 02 09:32:35 i read it 3 times though Jun 02 09:33:21 oh, mkay Jun 02 09:33:36 although... why does it need 4GB? Jun 02 09:34:10 the .bz2 file is ~300MB Jun 02 09:34:14 eddyb, your 16gb microsd is not enough for mer? Jun 02 09:34:20 sorry I had to :p Jun 02 09:34:35 that means there are about 3.5GB of zeroes Jun 02 09:34:49 (that's what .bz2 is used for, usually) Jun 02 09:35:34 anyway, I think that it doesn't actually have to. They have just taken an image of it installed on a microsd card. If you mounted it by loopback and copied it over appropriately then you don't need that big of an sd card (likely) Jun 02 09:36:13 the question is - does it have/need a boot sector? Jun 02 09:36:32 No Jun 02 09:36:59 oh, then they could have just as well made a .tar.gz of the contents Jun 02 09:37:44 Yes, but somehow they have the impression that it's easier for installation if you have it as an image (I believe that was what was said the last time I bugged them about it) Jun 02 09:37:57 seriously? Jun 02 09:38:02 rather than copy-paste? Jun 02 09:41:48 hmm, what was the tool for managing partitions? Jun 02 09:42:33 the MBR ones Jun 02 09:45:45 oh, yast can manage loopback files, but they're called "crypt files" Jun 02 09:45:50 damn translations Jun 02 09:47:32 seriously? can't I use an unencrypted loopback file? Jun 02 10:12:33 Termana: I knew there was a reason they made it like this, it's a three-partition microSD image Jun 02 10:12:56 there's an ext(2, I think) partition, a swap one and a FAT32 one Jun 02 10:13:33 the swap is 8GB, a bit excessive Jun 02 11:28:38 ok, time to swipe some potential threats off my server Jun 02 11:30:42 I mean, I must be a poor system admin when I keep users on my server which have a record to abuse all kinds of IT infra and act hostile against admins/operators Jun 02 11:35:45 hehe Jun 02 11:36:15 depends on who has made that list Jun 02 11:52:48 omg mer/Nemo uses zypper :D Jun 02 11:53:23 what else? Jun 02 11:53:40 and what's wrong with zypper? Jun 02 11:54:05 :D means I'm happy Jun 02 11:54:24 also, in another channel: thank God, finally something decent, apt-get was killing me Jun 02 11:54:24 :-) Jun 02 11:54:40 hehe Jun 02 12:04:39 *yawn* Jun 02 12:07:12 eddyb: as you just mention nemo, got a link handy for sdcard install? Jun 02 12:07:52 without uboot Jun 02 12:11:07 nope, didn't find anything like that Jun 02 12:11:18 hmm Jun 02 12:11:20 wait, sd card as in external microSD? Jun 02 12:11:26 you can't do that without uboot Jun 02 12:11:38 yes Jun 02 12:12:06 well a modified kernel like with meego handset would be nice for a tryout Jun 02 12:12:50 just install uboot-pr13 Jun 02 12:13:13 and you can put anything you want on that microSD (that is compatible with the device) and try it Jun 02 12:14:15 * chem|st had horrible experiences with uboot back in 2012 Jun 02 12:14:18 2010 Jun 02 12:49:08 chem|st: it works fine now, except it can't find my microSD card Jun 02 12:52:51 hehe Jun 02 12:56:40 chem|st: it was the charger being connected to USB, apparently Jun 02 13:07:48 "it2 being what? Jun 02 13:07:53 "it" Jun 02 13:10:16 DocScrutinizer51: the problem Jun 02 13:13:00 hmm, almost as helpful as "it = the event that happened at 14:53" Jun 02 13:14:11 DocScrutinizer51: just look at my message before that one Jun 02 13:14:14 DocScrutinizer51: sdcard was not recognized as the wallcharger was still connected Jun 02 13:14:23 "it works fine now, except it can't find my microSD card / it was the charger being connected to USB, apparently" Jun 02 13:15:19 in the first message it = uboot, in the second message it = the reason why the problem in the first message existed Jun 02 13:15:40 hmm, when fastcharger results in system entering mass storage mode, then there's sth buggy Jun 02 13:16:18 anyway, too much communicative overhead to get involved in helping Jun 02 13:18:04 I got Nemo booting now Jun 02 14:14:39 hmm, "980M of 27G; files processed: 10451 of 453865; time: 1:31.56, remaining 47:32.41; 170.34 kB/s" -- think I'd love this dlink would be able of gbit-ethernet Jun 02 14:17:24 DocScrutinizer51: you'd love 10Mbps Jun 02 14:18:33 actually I think the bottleneck is source PC's CPU which is at 100% load on one of the 2 cores, probably for SSL of ssh Jun 02 14:19:17 connection is 100BT Jun 02 14:20:13 which vlearly should have lots of headroom to go better than 180kB/s Jun 02 14:20:19 clearly* Jun 02 14:21:16 not that it hurts me lots if this mirgration to new laptop takes another 3 days just to copy data Jun 02 14:24:47 but maybe a loopmount of the diskimage of old PC on that external USB HDD would've done better Jun 02 14:25:14 DocScrutinizer51: connect. mount. copy Jun 02 14:25:35 I once cloned my partitions, and it still took an hour Jun 02 14:25:57 you could check what exactly is using CPU Jun 02 14:28:21 I already was to type "that's easy" - then I noticed friggin KDE system monitor process table doesn't make any sense. it doesn't show any CPU hogging processes Jun 02 14:28:47 lolz, what CPU? Jun 02 14:29:12 there's a small chance it's something in the kernel Jun 02 14:29:19 or the network adapter Jun 02 14:33:40 well, seems it's nothing particular, just all ssh overhead together, plus fs overhead to open() etc all those 500k files Jun 02 14:34:23 copying a few >10MB files ramped bandwidth up to > 250kB/s Jun 02 14:34:40 ETA down to <30h now Jun 02 14:37:08 killing two nspluginviewer processes ramped it up further to >275kB/s Jun 02 14:37:11 DocScrutinizer51: OH BIG FAIL THERE. you should've .tar.gz'd them before transfer Jun 02 14:37:26 DocScrutinizer51: lol, still having flash running? Jun 02 14:37:57 sure, I'll tar up and gz the whole 27GB $HOME, on that disk that has 300MB free space Jun 02 14:38:20 sepparate /home partition? bad idea Jun 02 14:38:21 which, even if feasible due to free disk storage, would take days for itself Jun 02 14:38:47 no separate home partition, why do you think I had? Jun 02 14:38:59 What FS? Jun 02 14:39:11 ext3 on source, ext4 on dest Jun 02 14:39:14 DocScrutinizer51: oh, the $HOME thing, my bad Jun 02 14:40:04 using mc #sh:// fs to copy Jun 02 14:40:20 not sftp? Jun 02 14:40:22 hmm.. odd. wonder if cpio would have been faster? :) Jun 02 14:40:54 eddyb: I thinks it's scp, not sftp Jun 02 14:41:15 SFTP>SCP, IIRC Jun 02 14:41:19 mc is single-threaded, which slows it down a lot for tiny files. Lots of overhead in the open/close bits. Jun 02 14:41:21 like, SCP is older and slower Jun 02 14:41:59 Woody14619: yeah, but mc running on dest, which is at a relaxed 8% CPU load Jun 02 14:42:36 it's the ssh "link" overhead in itself I guess Jun 02 14:43:05 right, but if it's setting up connections for each file as it goes to copy it, that's a lot of overhead... Jun 02 14:43:16 yeah, indeed Jun 02 14:43:32 that's why copying of 27G seems to take 25+ hours Jun 02 14:43:40 I think SFTP copy+paste would be faster Jun 02 14:43:51 and it should work on an already running SSH server Jun 02 14:44:17 on the bright side though it resumes even after pulling the ethernet cable and replugging it Jun 02 14:44:28 I think tar or cpio piped through a ssh connection would have been as well. :) Jun 02 14:45:19 am I the only one thinking how encryption is useless in this situation? Jun 02 14:45:32 hmm, ETA 15:36.37 Jun 02 14:45:48 sure it's useless Jun 02 14:46:03 but it's the only open service on that source PC Jun 02 14:46:09 At those speeds, a private bittorrent sever/client would be faster. :P Jun 02 14:46:22 maybe :-D Jun 02 14:46:36 heck, connect the two computers with an ethernet cable, and pipe cpio through a TCP connection Jun 02 14:46:41 as mentioned above, I'm not in a hurry Jun 02 14:46:47 well... if it's no rush... makes more time for drinking. :) Jun 02 14:47:08 just idly watching and wondering Jun 02 14:47:26 for mere academic interest Jun 02 14:48:42 513kB/s ETA 12h Jun 02 14:49:22 i've got a script in event.d that does cryptdisk start, even if i do cryptdisks start || initctl emit CRYPT_OK the next task says dependent task ended with exit code 1 (i want it to fail silently and load the non-luks home) Jun 02 14:50:36 hmm, interesting Jun 02 14:51:02 nfc about upstart Jun 02 14:52:08 i wonder if there's some strange try..catch thing that still gets the error code from timeouting cryptsetup Jun 02 14:52:17 ...and I heard it's quite some "fun" to debug Jun 02 14:52:36 kke: I guess you're close Jun 02 14:54:01 hmmm maybe if i modify the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks script to fail silently and test if the /dev/mapper -entry exists in the event.d script Jun 02 14:54:34 kke: sorry, noob here re cryptdisk Jun 02 14:55:16 but I think we got 2 or 3 users around here who played with that stuff on fremantle Jun 02 14:55:48 alas I can't exactly recall their nicks Jun 02 14:56:13 chem|st: were you one of them? Jun 02 15:01:03 HAH, 6 of the 8GB RAM used for buffers :-), 1GB unused Jun 02 15:01:53 I kinda start to love that T500 Jun 02 15:03:54 age old unix saying: there's nothing to substitute real RAM, except more real RAM Jun 02 15:04:19 deduplication. Jun 02 15:05:00 * DocScrutinizer51 is just worried about suspend-to-disk, with RAM=8GB, swap=2GB Jun 02 15:06:06 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if nowadays suspend-to-disk creates a swapfile just for sole purpose to swap out RAM before suspend, and deletes same swapfile after resume Jun 02 15:08:10 but then, I think I've seen kernel boot msgs like "trying to resume from /dev/sda7" Jun 02 15:08:38 would quite defeat the purpose of any such swapfile approach, I guess Jun 02 15:10:53 meh, ETA 13h now, counting UP Jun 02 15:13:30 I probably should get rid eventually of all those backups inside backups inside backups inside backups ;-P Jun 02 15:14:52 wasn't there a tool to identify file of indetical content and arbitrary filenames, and 'clean' stuff out? Jun 02 15:15:20 files of identical...* Jun 02 15:17:42 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders a hash table of filesizes, calculating md5sums for those filesizes where more than one file exists Jun 02 15:18:52 actually for those hashkeys that have more than one entry Jun 02 15:19:15 for the files with that hashkey from their size Jun 02 15:27:42 could it be that event.d scripts aren't bash/ash/sh/whatever scripts at all Jun 02 15:27:56 and that's why it fails Jun 02 15:28:35 have to move that stuff to a shellscript and execute that Jun 02 15:35:34 event.d are no shellscripts Jun 02 15:35:51 that might explain it Jun 02 15:37:38 it probably does :-) Jun 02 15:39:25 what really sucks in my copy-action are those files in ~user/ that are not even readable by user Jun 02 15:40:27 as each single one pops up a warning requester to ask whether to skip or retry, and another one to decide whether to keep or delete the copy Jun 02 15:43:45 ahhhh excellent Jun 02 15:45:19 now i got a fake home/user for finder/confiscater/jealous gf to wonder about and if i enter passphrase bilndly during boot it mounts the real home Jun 02 15:49:01 that's pretty decent concept Jun 02 15:50:06 hey all, i have a N900 here and Canon EOS DSLR camera. is there a way to connect them with USB OTG? so i can upload pics from the camera? Jun 02 15:50:24 GuySoft, of course Jun 02 15:50:46 as long as it uses normal mass storage, not some propertiary closed shit Jun 02 15:50:50 Estel_, i saw stuff about gphoto2, but nothing that seemed like it would work as easy Jun 02 15:51:07 GuySoft: Can you connect it to a normal PC, and mount it as storage - with no other software? Jun 02 15:51:36 SpeedEvil, i am going to a demonstration in two hours, i dont want to take out the sd card and much about with it Jun 02 15:51:52 also SpeedEvil , long time no see :) Jun 02 15:52:35 GuySoft, You can use hostmode on N900 Jun 02 15:53:01 then connect Your camera to it, as far as what I've askes - and SpeedEvil too - is valid Jun 02 15:53:06 Estel_, I think it uses MTP or something, its not a simple storage Jun 02 15:53:21 hey Jun 02 15:53:36 Then I'm unsure of how it'd work - MTP Jun 02 15:53:38 as long as we have modules for it in kernel, or drivers, available on N900, it's ok Jun 02 15:53:44 same here. Jun 02 15:53:53 can You connect it to linuxbox? Jun 02 15:54:35 if yes, try with N900 hostmode. If fail, determine which modules are missing (open source only) and ask Pali to include them in new version of kernel-power Jun 02 15:54:53 ~hen Jun 02 15:54:53 do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ Jun 02 15:55:11 eh, DocScrutinizer51 doing childlish things again Jun 02 15:55:22 ~hostmode Jun 02 15:55:23 well, hostmode is piece of crap written by morons to fry other people's devices! beware! Jun 02 15:55:30 hm Jun 02 15:55:50 it seems that You won't get info about hostmode here, DocScrutinizer51 turned into masochist Jun 02 15:56:30 ~factinfo hostmode Jun 02 15:56:30 error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) Jun 02 15:56:30 hostmode -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> at Mon May 10 21:17:16 2010 (753 days); last modified 16h 34m 44s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 64 times, last by Estel_, 1m 8s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. Jun 02 15:57:16 nice provocation, although, childlish as usual. Jun 02 15:57:52 whatever, GuySoft, thanks to courtesy of our pathetic chanop, You must search TMO for hostmode manually. Jun 02 15:58:25 ~factinfo tmo Jun 02 15:58:26 error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) Jun 02 15:58:26 tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified 15h 28m 1s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 28 times, last by chem|st, 4h 55m 17s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. Jun 02 15:58:26 Estel_, i did that before i came here :-/ Jun 02 15:58:34 ~tmo Jun 02 15:58:34 tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Jun 02 15:58:46 I think ill just have to cope with the fact that I'll have to upload the photos after the demo Jun 02 15:58:55 well Jun 02 15:59:28 alternatively, You can tell us about effects of trying hostmode Jun 02 15:59:50 Estel_, I can't even get it to turn on - what packages do i need? Jun 02 16:00:08 i.e. Your dmesg output Jun 02 16:00:17 i am a n810 owner that got lent a n900, after i hard-bricked my Samsung Galaxy S 2.. so I am not sure where to go Jun 02 16:00:26 Estel_, hmm let me look at that Jun 02 16:00:27 what to turn on - hostmode, or camera. Jun 02 16:00:47 GuySoft, install kernel-power and H-E-N package Jun 02 16:00:55 then follow instructions for HEN Jun 02 16:01:48 can't seem to get anything Jun 02 16:01:50 sorry, need to go shopping now, but if You provide more details about step where You have problems, I'm sure others will help Jun 02 16:01:57 ok Jun 02 16:02:04 "get anything" is not very precise Jun 02 16:02:16 learn instructions and tell us about step that fails for You Jun 02 16:05:13 GuySoft: find out about Canon EOS DSLR supported USB modes. I guess there's no support in maemo-fremantle (yet?) for this MTP or whatever protocol. but I'd expect Canon as well supports mass storage mode which should 'just work' with H-E-N Jun 02 16:06:06 MTP is what all new android phones do Jun 02 16:06:16 instead of mass storage mode Jun 02 16:06:39 isn't it riddled by microsoft 'encryption" and authentication? Jun 02 16:07:17 hi jacekowski btw Jun 02 16:08:45 * DocScrutinizer51 foggily recalls that awesome guy who did RE effort on it Jun 02 16:09:10 if that's even been this MTP Jun 02 16:11:55 GuySoft, sorry to say that, but Your camera is using worst possible, propertiary fucked up transfer system... Jun 02 16:12:07 unless it can fall back to godly mass storage Jun 02 16:12:36 on linux, You can use ligphoto2 libray to handle MTP Jun 02 16:14:39 Estel_, thats cannon for you.. Jun 02 16:15:17 MTP is much better thing than mass storage Jun 02 16:15:43 on mobile devices it means you can access files on computer and device Jun 02 16:15:47 at the same time Jun 02 16:15:56 you don't need old fat partition Jun 02 16:15:58 or ntfs Jun 02 16:16:12 but you can have native FS for that device Jun 02 16:16:27 mass storage mode should have never existed for anything but external HDDs Jun 02 16:20:50 http://bash.org/?950581 - heh Jun 02 16:33:27 jacekowski, yea, but, unfortunately, mtp is screwed at implementation level ;) Jun 02 16:33:49 honestly, I hate very much every device that uses this crap, hiding real filesystem from me... Jun 02 16:34:04 ...using closed clients, or whatsnot Jun 02 16:34:25 you don't need closed clients Jun 02 16:34:35 maybe mass storage shouldn't existed for other things than external hdd, but in practice, it's much less PITA Jun 02 16:34:50 ok, maybe something changed. I remember creative zen using mtp... Jun 02 16:35:10 and all headache it provided even on bare win xp, not to mention linux Jun 02 16:35:25 well, there is only limited support for mtp on xp Jun 02 16:35:27 so, what You would suggest for using mtp on N900? which modules we need? Jun 02 16:35:42 but on linux mtp works like any other stuff Jun 02 16:35:45 and linux, except for kde I/O? Jun 02 16:35:46 you can just mount it Jun 02 16:36:04 and perform operations on filesystem? Jun 02 16:36:10 yes Jun 02 16:36:12 mtpfs Jun 02 16:36:47 ok, so I revoke what I've said - You mean that You're actually having control over *real* filesystem on device, instead virtual one? Jun 02 16:37:06 I was sure than all filesystem things are handled, in reality, via device, not computer OS Jun 02 16:37:17 and that it was purpose of MTP Jun 02 16:37:31 i.e. "You get only what device allows You to get" Jun 02 16:37:33 yes Jun 02 16:37:43 yes Jun 02 16:37:54 you can't mess with fs directly as such Jun 02 16:38:05 but device can forward all calls pretty much Jun 02 16:38:45 isn't it limited by device's manufacturers, most of the time? Jun 02 16:38:46 Estel_: but then on n900 you wouldn't have that problem of having 2G of space for apps and 30G mydocs Jun 02 16:39:08 I have 5GB for apps and 10 for MyDocs ;) Jun 02 16:39:20 it would be all 32G for apps/mydocs Jun 02 16:39:39 and it woudn't have to be umounted to access it from PC Jun 02 16:39:40 + I'm exporting encrypted truecrypt partitions to desktop, with all encryption done on N900 side Jun 02 16:39:50 desktop sees it as normal mass storage Jun 02 16:40:05 BTW, I don't unmount mydocs before accessing it from PC Jun 02 16:40:15 yes you do Jun 02 16:40:18 I just make sure than device doesn't write to it simulatenously Jun 02 16:40:19 ;) Jun 02 16:40:25 no, I don't Jun 02 16:40:27 good luck with fucked up FS Jun 02 16:40:36 using it for more than year Jun 02 16:40:42 remouting rw doesn't clear inode cache Jun 02 16:40:44 or anything Jun 02 16:40:45 never *ever* any filesystem error on vfat Jun 02 16:41:03 out of curiosity, I'm checking it periodicaly Jun 02 16:41:13 but with MTP you could have rw access all the time Jun 02 16:41:19 true. Jun 02 16:41:47 Off for the weekend. Be back Monday. Jun 02 16:41:55 but, again, isn't messing with filesystem limited by manufacturer's of mtp devices, most of the time? Jun 02 16:42:05 not really Jun 02 16:42:08 i.e. they decide what to forward, and what not? Jun 02 16:42:13 ok. Jun 02 16:42:14 they can Jun 02 16:42:21 but it depends on devices Jun 02 16:42:37 on my phone i have access to / Jun 02 16:42:43 by default Jun 02 16:42:50 hm, and, BTW, isn't MTP propertiary/closed? royalty fees etc? Jun 02 16:42:56 nope Jun 02 16:43:26 so, it's licensed like what? Jun 02 16:43:58 it's not Jun 02 16:44:01 it's free for all Jun 02 16:44:10 unlike fat that is licenced Jun 02 16:44:15 everything is licensed some way, even if FFA ;) Jun 02 16:44:30 either it's GPL'ed, BSD, or whatever Jun 02 16:44:52 xipg ogg is licensed also, using FOSS way Jun 02 16:44:59 how it looks with mtp? Jun 02 16:45:07 can't find reliable data about it... Jun 02 16:45:15 beside being standarized by USB foundation Jun 02 16:45:34 and, again, how to use it properly on N900, like in GuySoft case? Jun 02 16:45:38 well, specification is public and available for free Jun 02 16:45:46 you would need mtpfs Jun 02 16:45:50 what modules do we need to have compiled in kernel? Jun 02 16:45:51 and libmtp Jun 02 16:45:53 and libusb Jun 02 16:45:55 on n900 Jun 02 16:46:02 libusb? why so? Jun 02 16:46:14 mtpfs is a fuse thing Jun 02 16:46:17 hostmode and libmtp isn't enough? Jun 02 16:46:20 I see. Jun 02 16:46:34 libmtp requires libusb to talk to usb devices Jun 02 16:46:46 understood Jun 02 16:46:55 will talk with KP team about including it Jun 02 16:47:07 mtpfs, I mean Jun 02 16:47:15 fake libusb should make that easier to RE :P Jun 02 16:47:16 libmtp and libusb are in userland? Jun 02 16:47:39 but why RE it, if it's open, according to jacekowski ? Jun 02 16:47:47 or it isn't? Jun 02 16:48:23 afaik it's standarized by usb foundation, so all info should be available? or not? Jun 02 17:08:59 any easy way to detect if lens cover is open via shellscript? Jun 02 17:10:09 kke: might be implemented as an input device Jun 02 17:10:11 let me check Jun 02 17:10:29 wow, I wasn't aware, that there are such lightweight irc bouncers as dircproxy or miau Jun 02 17:10:54 it seems, that I can install it on WRT54GL's jffs2 even *without* doing sd card mod Jun 02 17:11:02 miau is 50 kb 0_o Jun 02 17:14:17 jacekowski, did you find something about nolo yesterday? Jun 02 17:14:34 kke: I found it Jun 02 17:15:09 cool Jun 02 17:15:58 cat /dev/input/by-path/platform-gpio-keys-event Jun 02 17:16:12 nice Jun 02 17:16:54 lens cover, keyboard being extended, the two-state photo button, the volume buttons, the lock slider Jun 02 17:22:47 but i don't have such path Jun 02 17:23:02 there's only keypad, pwrbutton and ts Jun 02 17:24:29 well, right now I'm on Mer Jun 02 17:26:04 cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state # (open / closed) Jun 02 17:27:20 seriously? Jun 02 17:27:30 kke: I guess that works better for you :P Jun 02 18:24:58 what is the resolution of the n900 screen? Jun 02 18:25:31 800x480 Jun 02 18:27:50 vi__, yes Jun 02 18:40:02 moving MyDocs/DCIM to /home/user/DCIM doesn't quite seem to work Jun 02 18:40:13 i have no idea where my pic got saved now Jun 02 18:40:23 not into the DCIM atleast Jun 02 18:41:28 and i was thinking about symlinking it from MyDocs but it's vfat so no go Jun 02 18:41:49 kke: what are you trying to do? Jun 02 18:42:46 make camera save pics to /home/user/DCIM instead of MyDocs/DCIM Jun 02 18:42:56 why? Jun 02 18:43:07 have you tried looking for some configs? Jun 02 18:43:15 maybe it's not hardcoded into the app Jun 02 18:43:19 because my home/user is encrypted Jun 02 18:43:30 it's in .config/user-dirs.dirs Jun 02 18:43:52 you can make MyDocs be a regular directory btw Jun 02 18:43:54 i changed it but pics still don't go there Jun 02 18:44:15 like, you can disable mounting for it Jun 02 18:44:22 and then it will be encrypted Jun 02 18:44:51 you can set the mount dir for the FAT partition somewhere else Jun 02 18:44:57 check /etc/fstab Jun 02 18:45:42 /etc/fstab isnt followed Jun 02 18:45:51 its hard coded Jun 02 18:45:54 hiemanshu: are you kidding me? Jun 02 18:45:58 no Jun 02 18:46:19 hardcoded vfat->/home/user/MyDocs mount? Jun 02 18:46:34 something autogenerates fstab Jun 02 18:46:42 if you change it, it will be overwritten on boot Jun 02 18:46:51 but i'd like to keep MyDocs as t is Jun 02 18:46:59 and just store the camera pics somewhere else Jun 02 18:47:09 kke: softlink Jun 02 18:47:14 hey guys :) Jun 02 18:47:18 hiemanshu: vfat Jun 02 18:47:43 oh yeah, i keep forgetting that Jun 02 18:48:35 we thought about links in FAT at pedigree, didn't come up with a solution better than some sort of database Jun 02 18:49:59 can i mount to dir on vfat? Jun 02 18:50:28 then i could just mount dcim there from a container or something Jun 02 18:50:33 kke: I just thought of that Jun 02 18:51:51 but I don't think you can really do it Jun 02 18:51:59 like, in a way that's useful to you Jun 02 18:53:51 well i could just remount my /home/user to that DCIM and have the pics in user's root Jun 02 18:54:05 let's try Jun 02 18:54:59 you can make a new partition at the end and add it to startup script to mount the partition to that folder Jun 02 18:58:28 i'm ok with having them in root of /home/user for now Jun 02 18:59:50 wait Jun 02 19:00:08 maybe you can replace the FAT32 partition with an ext one Jun 02 19:00:18 too much trouble Jun 02 19:00:48 and it would mount ext Jun 02 19:00:50 lol dont do that Jun 02 19:00:52 that you could encrypt Jun 02 19:00:57 hiemanshu: why? Jun 02 19:01:13 eddyb: hard-coded, wont work Jun 02 19:01:14 does the hardcoded fstab use "vfat"? Jun 02 19:01:16 damn Jun 02 19:03:46 eddyb: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash Jun 02 19:05:39 too fugly Jun 02 19:11:55 hello all! Jun 02 19:12:02 any idea if syncevolution supports single ICS files? Jun 02 19:12:19 3 Jun 02 19:12:31 hmm.. wrong window Jun 02 19:20:20 fstab is not hardcoded as such. Jun 02 19:20:31