**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 07 02:59:59 2012
Jun 07 03:06:17 <disco_stu> someone with a nokia n9 ?
Jun 07 03:06:36 <GeneralAntilles> Does N950 count?
Jun 07 03:06:44 <GeneralAntilles> Also: Do I have to do anything for you or can I just brag?
Jun 07 03:10:15 <wmarone> hah
Jun 07 03:25:25 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i think it counts, i'm just wondering..
Jun 07 03:25:43 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: don't know if I should by the n9 or no
Jun 07 03:25:49 <GeneralAntilles> You should
Jun 07 03:25:53 <GeneralAntilles> It's utterly unique
Jun 07 03:25:59 * disco_stu doesnt know the n950
Jun 07 03:26:09 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i like that
Jun 07 03:26:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's what was supposed to be the N9
Jun 07 03:26:21 <GeneralAntilles> But wasn't once things got all delayed and screwed up
Jun 07 03:26:30 <GeneralAntilles> and ended up being the unreleased developer device with a keyboard.
Jun 07 03:26:31 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i've been using android for 2 years know, it sucks *big* time
Jun 07 03:27:27 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i've seen videos of the n9 and meego really looks something awesome
Jun 07 03:27:39 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah Harmattan is the best mobile OS I've ever used.
Jun 07 03:27:42 <GeneralAntilles> Swipe is something to behold.
Jun 07 03:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> It's not without its flaws
Jun 07 03:28:09 <GeneralAntilles> Built-in browser is terrible compared to the N900 (but arguably better than Android and iOS in a lot of ways).
Jun 07 03:28:15 <GeneralAntilles> Memory hog
Jun 07 03:29:14 <disco_stu> oh my, the n950 looks sooooo cool 
Jun 07 03:30:31 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: something is holding me back a little (just a little) is the lack of whatsapp client, but sports tracker client makes me really happy
Jun 07 03:30:41 <GeneralAntilles> There's a WhatsApp client
Jun 07 03:30:46 <GeneralAntilles> Open source and everything
Jun 07 03:30:48 <GeneralAntilles> Wazzap
Jun 07 03:32:09 <disco_stu> nice
Jun 07 03:33:02 <disco_stu> people keep telling me that android has a huge load of apps, but the truth is that with my 2 year old motorla i cant have a lot of apps
Jun 07 03:33:51 <disco_stu> and used to my n800 (diablo) the thing that bothers me the most is the crappines of android to handle multitasking
Jun 07 03:34:06 <disco_stu> it seems you need 3gigs of ram to have a few apps
Jun 07 03:35:29 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: when you said Memory Hog, what did you mean by that ?
Jun 07 03:35:39 <GeneralAntilles> The browser tends to eat up memory
Jun 07 03:35:53 <GeneralAntilles> It's got 1GB of RAM, though, so it's not a huge issue.
Jun 07 03:36:52 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: and the processor is fast enough? are there browser alternatives ? like Opera Mini ?
Jun 07 03:36:59 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Jun 07 03:40:36 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: the other option may be a nokia n8 but ... symbian ... 
Jun 07 03:40:49 <GeneralAntilles> Harmattan is way better than Symbian
Jun 07 03:40:54 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, you'll own a piece of history.
Jun 07 03:42:05 <disco_stu> i dont understand how they decided to put away harmattan and turn to windows phone
Jun 07 03:43:31 <GeneralAntilles> Because the board is filled with dinosaurs.
Jun 07 03:43:36 <GeneralAntilles> It's not entirely surprising.
Jun 07 03:44:27 <GeneralAntilles> On one hand they've got this mostly-in-house venture they're sort of partnering with Intel on (but having a ton of issues in the partnership). It's expensive, it's risky, and it's basically going it on your own.
Jun 07 03:45:15 <GeneralAntilles> On the other they've got Microsoft. Established player, Nokia wont have to do the heavy-lifting on the platform development. MS's offering them shittons of cash, patent protection, development assistance, and shittons of cash.
Jun 07 03:45:29 <GeneralAntilles> Easy choice if you're a clueless old dinosaur who's living in the 90s.
Jun 07 03:45:56 <GeneralAntilles> Now they're trading for $2.88.
Jun 07 03:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> Love it.
Jun 07 03:46:14 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: $2.88 ?
Jun 07 03:46:28 <GeneralAntilles> NOK is at $2.88
Jun 07 03:47:18 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: is that good ? i'm from argentina i make wine dont know much about stocks 
Jun 07 03:47:20 <disco_stu> lol
Jun 07 03:48:10 <GeneralAntilles> No. No, it's not good.
Jun 07 03:48:15 <GeneralAntilles> Trading for about $40 in 2007.
Jun 07 03:49:00 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: omg, the were/are at the edge ?
Jun 07 03:49:18 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia is headed for the toilet.
Jun 07 03:49:23 <GeneralAntilles> I don't see them pulling out soon.
Jun 07 03:49:40 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: what phone are you using currently ?
Jun 07 03:49:44 <GeneralAntilles> N950
Jun 07 03:57:44 <jacekowski> GeneralAntilles: well, facebook has dropped 50% in first day
Jun 07 03:57:49 <jacekowski> GeneralAntilles: and it's still going down
Jun 07 03:58:15 <GeneralAntilles> Has Facebook ever released an update that hasn't made their core product worse?
Jun 07 03:58:30 <GeneralAntilles> My continued faith in the stock market is once-again justified.
Jun 07 04:00:10 <Hurrian> GeneralAntilles, the interface has become more cluttered and confusing since 2008
Jun 07 04:00:32 <GeneralAntilles> I was on Facebook in 2006
Jun 07 04:00:38 <Hurrian> buttons put in the wrong place, totally different UIs for lightbox and page view, etc
Jun 07 04:00:47 <GeneralAntilles> Every update they released from then until 2008 when I left Facebook made it worse.
Jun 07 04:00:57 <GeneralAntilles> So it really doesn't surprise me that their IPO was shit.
Jun 07 04:01:10 <GeneralAntilles> It's heartening to see the dotcom bubble isn't completely back.
Jun 07 04:50:46 <Estel_> Nokia? was it that company deceased in 2013 or 2014?
Jun 07 04:50:57 <Estel_> It was so long ago...
Jun 07 07:54:01 <malin> anyone having problems, syncing N900 with google calendar? Mine stoped working yesterday or the day before yesterday
Jun 07 08:20:23 <MohammadAG> Can anyone give me the ip resolved by their dns for mohammadag.xceleo.org
Jun 07 08:22:36 <teotwaki> 69.163.135.251
Jun 07 08:22:51 <teotwaki> Do you want the full record, MohammadAG?
Jun 07 08:23:28 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: use dig :P
Jun 07 08:23:40 <teotwaki> dig @8.8.8.8 mohammadag.xceleo.org
Jun 07 08:23:51 <teotwaki> or dig @someotherdns <mywebsite>
Jun 07 08:23:59 <MohammadAG> I'm on my iPhone :/
Jun 07 08:24:23 <fizzie> mohammadag.xceleo.org. 14396 IN A 69.163.135.251 says our friendly local DNS server.
Jun 07 08:24:25 <teotwaki> I'm wondering whether I should kick/ban you right away or not
Jun 07 08:24:49 <Corsac> maybe theres dig on iphone
Jun 07 08:25:03 <fizzie> Maybe there's... an app for that.
Jun 07 08:25:34 <MohammadAG> Maybe, the iPhone does have its fair share of unix utils
Jun 07 08:27:10 <MohammadAG> teotwaki: Democracy
Jun 07 08:27:37 <MohammadAG> fizzie: Thanks, says unavailable though
Jun 07 08:33:17 <teotwaki> ??? I gave the IP address as my first reply!
Jun 07 08:33:45 <MohammadAG> Thanks teotwaki, just noticed that
Jun 07 08:34:04 <MohammadAG> It scrolled out of view on the iPhone's 3.5" screen
Jun 07 08:34:12 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: that's just your vhost setup being clonked
Jun 07 08:34:13 <MohammadAG> :p
Jun 07 08:34:17 <Estel^> Pali, ping
Jun 07 08:34:29 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  just use N900 :P
Jun 07 08:34:43 <teotwaki> but I have access to the website without too many issues
Jun 07 08:34:46 <MohammadAG> It doesn't last a day through uni
Jun 07 08:35:10 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  mine have 3000 mAh battery, and soon will have 6A one
Jun 07 08:35:15 <MohammadAG> Yeah, but my .htaccess keeps getting hacked
Jun 07 08:35:31 <teotwaki> your .htaccess keeps getting hacked?
Jun 07 08:35:34 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  secure it? ;)
Jun 07 08:35:35 <teotwaki> What the hell does that even mean?
Jun 07 08:35:36 <MohammadAG> Arie keeps being redirected to a Russian site
Jun 07 08:35:56 <Estel^> hm
Jun 07 08:36:00 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: then you have some file upload form that has issues
Jun 07 08:36:03 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: it won't be DNS.
Jun 07 08:36:07 <Estel^> maybe it's arie dns being hacked
Jun 07 08:36:22 <MohammadAG> No, it's my htaccess file
Jun 07 08:36:44 <MohammadAG> It keeps being replaced by one that redirects to a Russian site
Jun 07 08:36:48 <Estel^> identified vulnerability responsible?
Jun 07 08:37:13 <MohammadAG> No idea, wondering if it's Wordpress
Jun 07 08:37:24 <Estel^> sounds reasonable
Jun 07 08:37:41 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: stop wondering
Jun 07 08:37:43 <Estel^> I suppose it's hacked by bot, and bots are written for popular things
Jun 07 08:37:54 <Estel^> yea, disable it and check effects
Jun 07 08:38:08 <MohammadAG> Then what should I use? :p
Jun 07 08:38:18 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: upgrade wordpress
Jun 07 08:38:26 <Estel^> patched version or some honest FOSS tool :P
Jun 07 08:38:39 <Hurrian> MAG, there seems to be some script attached to the top
Jun 07 08:39:11 <teotwaki> you mean this page: http://pasla-setatg.ru/qrfoa?8 ?
Jun 07 08:39:14 <Hurrian> i'd recommend simply writing your pages by hand
Jun 07 08:39:26 <Hurrian> <script src="hxxp://phukjik.cri2.go.th/?rnd=1024%2Fgro.oelecx.gadammahom%2F%2F%3Aptth">
Jun 07 08:39:31 <teotwaki> <script src="http://phukjik.cri2.go.th/?rnd=1024%2Fgro.oelecx.gadammahom%2F%2F%3Aptth"></script>
Jun 07 08:39:43 <Estel^> not necessary, wordpress isn't only one tool in existence
Jun 07 08:40:19 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: use Wt
Jun 07 08:40:23 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: (webtoolkit.eu)
Jun 07 08:40:40 <teotwaki> C++, Qt-style widgets that make web-pages :)
Jun 07 08:41:09 <Estel^> BTW, MohammadAG, of course is's Your business not mine, but why using some, erm, sorry to say that, crappy iPhone, instead of buying dual-scud and having N900 with full tools with You, everywhere?
Jun 07 08:42:09 <Estel^> trying to identify vulnerabilities/ do some net checks/tracing using an android or iphone make most tech people want to kill themselves
Jun 07 08:42:12 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/exploit-scanner/
Jun 07 08:42:38 <Hurrian> MAG, I'd recommend flattening the site first before you do anything
Jun 07 08:42:50 <Estel^> yea, nuke it
Jun 07 08:43:01 <Hurrian> checking each file, whether manual or automatic does not guarantee cleaning
Jun 07 08:43:23 <Hurrian> oh, and unless you really need all of wordpress, don't use it
Jun 07 08:43:49 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: http://codex.wordpress.org/FAQ_My_site_was_hacked
Jun 07 08:43:57 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: http://codex.wordpress.org/Hardening_WordPress
Jun 07 08:43:58 <Estel^> :P
Jun 07 08:44:27 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: if you want to setup a website based on Wt, I'll help you write it :)
Jun 07 08:45:16 <MohammadAG> Estel^: The iPhone is a bit more higher specced
Jun 07 08:45:42 <MohammadAG> teotwaki: C++, Qt-style widgets that make web-pages :)
Jun 07 08:45:46 <MohammadAG> Heaven
Jun 07 08:45:58 <Estel^> sure, most consoles too, when they arrive. Wchich doesn't mean, that they're actually more useful than average computer
Jun 07 08:46:15 <Estel^> but I'm not pushing You, of course, it's not my business as said.
Jun 07 08:46:21 <Estel^> Was just surprised.
Jun 07 08:47:32 <Hurrian> Estel^, speaking of consoles, my PS3 has been compiling webkit for 4 hours now
Jun 07 08:48:04 <Estel^> nice, that You managed to overcome obstacles
Jun 07 08:48:11 <Estel^> needed cross-compiler, yep? to get out of depend. loop?
Jun 07 08:48:39 <MohammadAG> Estel^: I know, I've had the iPhone since October
Jun 07 08:48:45 <Hurrian> Estel^, cross-compiler built a base system, which I run on the PS3
Jun 07 08:48:56 <Hurrian> pacman doesn't play nice with cross-compiling
Jun 07 08:49:14 <MohammadAG> It's jailbroken, most limits taken off
Jun 07 08:49:19 <Estel^> probably because of ghosts ;)
Jun 07 08:49:20 <Hurrian> MohammadAG, which firmware?
Jun 07 08:49:26 <MohammadAG> At least there's no aegis
Jun 07 08:49:37 <Hurrian> updating jailbroken iOS is a royal pain though
Jun 07 08:49:42 <MohammadAG> iPhone? 5.1.1, ps3? Latest
Jun 07 08:49:49 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  supposed that. Still, it's probably, closed blob *everywhere*?
Jun 07 08:50:01 <MohammadAG> Hurrian: Royal is an understatement
Jun 07 08:50:11 <Hurrian> Estel^, not only closed blob for firmware, closed jailbreak apps
Jun 07 08:50:18 <MohammadAG> Estel^: How's harmattan different? :p
Jun 07 08:50:18 <Hurrian> the "ecosystem" is very much different
Jun 07 08:50:27 <MohammadAG> That's true
Jun 07 08:50:34 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  I'm sure fighting aegis isn't harder than jailbreaking, just need more time to maturate, probably
Jun 07 08:50:36 <MohammadAG> Most tweaks are closed and paid
Jun 07 08:50:47 <Estel^> but of course aegis IS royal pITA
Jun 07 08:51:00 <MohammadAG> Jailbreaking is a bitch for its deva
Jun 07 08:51:02 <MohammadAG> Devs
Jun 07 08:51:18 <MohammadAG> There's DES, ASLR, and the sandbox
Jun 07 08:51:25 <MohammadAG> DEP*
Jun 07 08:51:37 <Estel^> erm, I suppose it's worse than android, where even terminal and ssh got advers or require to pay?
Jun 07 08:52:03 <MohammadAG> Meanwhile, aegis can be broken with a kernel hack
Jun 07 08:52:05 <MohammadAG> No, apps are way better
Jun 07 08:52:17 <MohammadAG> Android is the worst there
Jun 07 08:52:24 <Hurrian> Estel^, well, the fact that the UI toolkit is unified makes it more bearable
Jun 07 08:52:37 <Estel^> honestly, without any elitarism, couln't use such systems (android, iphone) seriously, out of dumn-phone. Would literally go mad trying to find something FOSS and proper
Jun 07 08:52:53 <Hurrian> you do have the occasional idiot that decides it'd be nice to deviate from that, but otherwise, most jailbreak apps are nicely-made
Jun 07 08:52:56 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  but more closed than android?
Jun 07 08:53:03 <Estel^> apps^
Jun 07 08:53:04 <MohammadAG> MobileSubstrate is good
Jun 07 08:53:20 <Hurrian> memory hog.
Jun 07 08:53:42 * MohammadAG looks at 26MB free ram
Jun 07 08:54:04 <Hurrian> after ~5 substrates the heavy games may be killed from OOM
Jun 07 08:54:13 <Estel^> You know what? I've just spent some time soldering sd card reader to my 200 mhz wrt54gl, and installing/configuring openwrt there. Planning to solder usb 1.1 port too.
Jun 07 08:54:20 <MohammadAG> Depends what they hook
Jun 07 08:54:39 <Estel^> preffer that 1000x times, than buying brand new 345456456 mhz router
Jun 07 08:54:43 <MohammadAG> I hate android's Ecosystem
Jun 07 08:54:49 <Estel^> and deal with blobs, pauware etc
Jun 07 08:55:06 <Hurrian> Estel^, fyi, the de facto iOS jailbreaking tool, redsn0w is closed-source
Jun 07 08:55:10 <MohammadAG> I hate how rom cookers don't give a shit about legal stuff
Jun 07 08:55:20 <Estel^> i hate using ecosystem outside of animal planet context :
Jun 07 08:55:26 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  true
Jun 07 08:55:33 <MohammadAG> I hate how they're like oooh, we removed voltage restrictions and the device runs faster
Jun 07 08:55:34 <Estel^> Hurrian,  heh
Jun 07 08:55:42 <MohammadAG> It's safe! Release
Jun 07 08:55:57 <Estel^> honestly, both android and apples are not for me
Jun 07 08:56:09 <Estel^> but, honestly, some android people are knowledgeable too
Jun 07 08:56:18 <MohammadAG> Most aren't
Jun 07 08:56:22 <Estel^> there is just much more of them, so more semi-hackers too
Jun 07 08:56:26 <MohammadAG> The opposite on iOS
Jun 07 08:56:32 <Hurrian> MohammadAG, most ROMs that aren't CM9 straight KANGs are AWFUL
Jun 07 08:56:37 <MohammadAG> Most devs make me feel like an idiot
Jun 07 08:56:45 <Estel^> in numbers, probably, more than knowledgeable apple eaters - just more difused
Jun 07 08:57:09 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  honestly, You're just new to platform
Jun 07 08:57:33 <Estel^> they would look like idiots when come to real linux tools or Maemo ;)
Jun 07 08:57:41 <MohammadAG> Estel^: Look at jailbreak developers
Jun 07 08:58:02 <Estel^> yea, same can be told about cyanogen mod people
Jun 07 08:58:08 <MohammadAG> @pod2g, @chpwn to name a few
Jun 07 08:58:14 <Hurrian> MohammadAG, jailbreak development is tough, and lots depend on pure luck
Jun 07 08:58:19 <Estel^> although, IMO, they're not even close to freemangordon and Pali ;)
Jun 07 08:58:30 <Hurrian> side note, anybody want to test jailbreaking an iPhone from a N900?
Jun 07 08:58:31 <MohammadAG> Working with open source is easy Estel^ 
Jun 07 08:58:36 <Estel^> i.e. Maemo. Just different words
Jun 07 08:58:51 <Estel^> + hanging on ios, even dev irc, or android one, compared to maemo...
Jun 07 08:59:03 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  not only easy, but more beneficial
Jun 07 08:59:22 <Estel^> buying *overpriced* toy from apple, then volounteering hours of ultra hard work...
Jun 07 08:59:38 <Estel^> to make it barely usable and make other people fill apple's purse...
Jun 07 08:59:45 <Hurrian> Estel^, some people just like iOS that much
Jun 07 08:59:47 <MohammadAG> They get donations ;p
Jun 07 08:59:51 <Estel^> Isn't my favorite way.
Jun 07 09:00:02 <Estel^> of course, they're free to do whatever they want
Jun 07 09:00:06 <Estel^> with their time
Jun 07 09:00:08 <Estel^> Hurrian,  true
Jun 07 09:00:15 <MohammadAG> I would've gone with android but it's not sane
Jun 07 09:00:23 <Estel^> well, typical apple users seems like having a little too much money ;)
Jun 07 09:00:37 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  Stay with us ;)
Jun 07 09:00:56 <MohammadAG> My 1GHz iPhone runs faster than a 1.2GHz dual core  SGSII 
Jun 07 09:01:08 <Estel^> vivaldi is coming, Pi arrived, and trust me, Mobile computer-phone is just after horizon.
Jun 07 09:01:17 <MohammadAG> I never left, if I was going to I would've left in October
Jun 07 09:01:24 <Estel^> I know ;)
Jun 07 09:01:30 <Hurrian> Estel^, most iOS hackers don't buy their devices, they get gifted.
Jun 07 09:01:38 <vi_> Estel^: we already have mobile computer phones.  WE have had them for at least a decade....
Jun 07 09:01:43 <Estel^> Hurrian,  first one buyed, I suppose :P
Jun 07 09:01:45 <vi_> ...just no iseful operating system.
Jun 07 09:01:48 <Estel^> bought*
Jun 07 09:01:49 <MohammadAG> Then they get hired by apple
Jun 07 09:02:01 <Estel^> eaten by apple ;)
Jun 07 09:02:13 <MohammadAG> Explains the bite in their logo
Jun 07 09:02:21 <Estel^> ;)
Jun 07 09:02:41 <MohammadAG> Anyway, I needed a device with commercial apps
Jun 07 09:02:43 <Estel^> I' glad Rpi haven't included bite in their raspberry
Jun 07 09:02:53 <MohammadAG> And I needed to lower my bill
Jun 07 09:03:09 <MohammadAG> So it was either iPhone 4, or SGSII
Jun 07 09:03:09 <Estel^> why comm apps?
Jun 07 09:03:21 <MohammadAG> They're useful
Jun 07 09:03:35 <MohammadAG> Stuff like SoundHound, WhatsApp, Viber
Jun 07 09:03:36 <Estel^> Yea, banging head against them is quite effective.
Jun 07 09:03:49 <MohammadAG> I dont like to use them but everyone is
Jun 07 09:03:52 * Estel^ is going to vomit
Jun 07 09:03:55 <Estel^> whatsapp?
Jun 07 09:04:06 <MohammadAG> Yes
Jun 07 09:04:13 <MohammadAG> Waze
Jun 07 09:04:13 <Hurrian> meh, network effect
Jun 07 09:04:19 <Estel^> MohammadAG,  why You care about what "others" like to use?
Jun 07 09:04:42 <Estel^> well, some time ago, literally everyone in family and friends were using skype
Jun 07 09:04:54 <Hurrian> Estel^, same here
Jun 07 09:04:58 <Estel^> few years/months ago, actually
Jun 07 09:05:08 <MohammadAG> Estel^: No, but you have to unless you want to talk to yourself :p
Jun 07 09:05:09 <Hurrian> that's a problem, haven't found universal alternative for it
Jun 07 09:05:19 <Estel^> Then, when i realized silver needle in the sky(pe), I just dropped it
Jun 07 09:05:34 <Estel^> gently telling anyone surprised why
Jun 07 09:05:37 <MohammadAG> Estel^: Yeah, but people keep saying whatsapp is lighter than Skype (P2P$
Jun 07 09:05:41 <vi_> I knew a man who decided to go open source software only.
Jun 07 09:05:41 <Estel^> if they were interested, I explained
Jun 07 09:05:44 <Estel^> if not, just no
Jun 07 09:05:58 <vi_> He was patent free right up till the day he commited suicicde
Jun 07 09:06:02 <Estel^> then, one by one, everyone else dropped it, even if it took them weeks or months
Jun 07 09:06:12 <Estel^> to the last most untechy ones
Jun 07 09:06:26 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure if that's supposed to be funny
Jun 07 09:06:32 <Estel^> a small piece of something I've said about it being wrong, vulnerable itp, got planted
Jun 07 09:06:51 <Estel^> now everyone uses proper voip
Jun 07 09:07:10 <Estel^> heck, few weeks ago I convinced my mother to seel xperia x10 mini pro and buy N900
Jun 07 09:08:00 <Estel^> I just don't use closed coms like skype, whatsapp, or whatever. If someone doesn't want to contact me in other form, can kiss own ass.
Jun 07 09:08:13 <Estel^> of course, generally, I explain it more gently :P
Jun 07 09:08:23 <vi_> Estel^: do you hate your mother?
Jun 07 09:08:46 <Estel^> You know what? even in business I do not use skype, gently explaining why. Reaction from clients is supriringly positive
Jun 07 09:09:04 <vi_> Estel^: what is wrong with skype?
Jun 07 09:09:17 <Estel^> vi_,  I'm patent-free as much as I can, which, of course, doesn't mean 100% no patent things
Jun 07 09:09:20 <Estel^> vi
Jun 07 09:09:21 <Hurrian> vi_, would that man be called "Richard Stallman"?
Jun 07 09:09:24 <Estel^> search google for
Jun 07 09:09:33 <Estel^> "silver needle in the skype"
Jun 07 09:09:43 <Estel^> You'll find nice interesting .pdf
Jun 07 09:10:04 <vi_> I wouldn't wish n900 on anybody.
Jun 07 09:10:22 <Estel^> add to this some skype "ops", when vista was appearing, that revealed it being collecting personal data like motherboard serial numbers, and You'll have wide picture
Jun 07 09:10:39 <Estel^> Hurrian,  haha, Stallman seems to be living hapilly
Jun 07 09:11:15 <fasta> Estel^: what do you use then?
Jun 07 09:11:18 <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it
Jun 07 09:11:32 <Estel^> fasta,  voip, of course, instead of skype
Jun 07 09:11:45 <Estel^> booth net only, and free one with landline number
Jun 07 09:12:04 <fasta> Estel^: booth net only?
Jun 07 09:12:08 <Estel^> BTW I think I will prepare asterisk on my wrt54g soon, too
Jun 07 09:12:37 <vi_> Estel^: you really think your wrt54g has the processing power to run asterisk?
Jun 07 09:12:40 <Estel^> fasta, both - I mean I use it both as net voice comm, and instead of PSTN phone (landmark)
Jun 07 09:12:53 <Estel^> vi_,  Iknow it has :)
Jun 07 09:13:09 <Estel^> tested already, but it was using 2.6 kernel
Jun 07 09:13:19 <fasta> Estel^: and you run that on your n900 too?
Jun 07 09:13:20 <Estel^> I've returned to 2.4 kernel for stability
Jun 07 09:13:29 <Estel^> fasta, no ;)
Jun 07 09:13:40 <fasta> Estel^: don't you need some VOIP provider for calls to non-voip numbers?
Jun 07 09:13:40 <vi_> 2.4? Imma gonna rewt ur box.
Jun 07 09:13:44 <Estel^> fasta, voip is open, documented, and independent of clients
Jun 07 09:14:04 <Estel^> fasta, I have voip provider with free landline number
Jun 07 09:14:22 <Estel^> and when I want to call non voip numbers, of course, I use it
Jun 07 09:14:29 <Estel^> it's cheap as hell
Jun 07 09:14:31 <Estel^> byw
Jun 07 09:14:31 <fasta> Estel^: which one do you have?
Jun 07 09:14:37 <Estel^> I use voip on N900 too
Jun 07 09:14:45 <Estel^> just not installed asterisk on N900
Jun 07 09:14:48 <Estel^> that I mean
Jun 07 09:15:02 <fasta> Estel^: did you buy new batteries for it?
Jun 07 09:15:02 <Estel^> fasta, polish one, won't tell You anything by it's name
Jun 07 09:15:20 <Estel^> fasta, I have 3000 mAh (real) battery for N900, self made
Jun 07 09:15:26 <fasta> Estel^: of course ;)
Jun 07 09:15:34 <Estel^> not joking.
Jun 07 09:15:44 <fasta> Sometimes I think it's the hackers cabin here.
Jun 07 09:15:52 <Estel^> because it is?
Jun 07 09:15:55 <fasta> Or lair.
Jun 07 09:16:13 <fasta> Lairs sound cooler, don't you agree?
Jun 07 09:16:19 <Estel^> fasta, dual-scud, every cell 1500mAh
Jun 07 09:16:28 <Estel^> too much patos in lair
Jun 07 09:16:35 <Estel^> longue sounds more comfortable :P
Jun 07 09:16:57 <fasta> Estel^: did you put that on a blog or something or are you too cool for a blog?
Jun 07 09:17:05 <Estel^> btw I'm now working on 6000 mAh battery for N900
Jun 07 09:17:08 <Estel^> hahaha
Jun 07 09:17:14 <Estel^> no, documented on TMO
Jun 07 09:17:21 <fasta> Estel^: some people are too cool for a blog and call it a blag.txt.
Jun 07 09:17:32 <fasta> Estel^: True story.
Jun 07 09:17:32 <Estel^> it's just a tool.
Jun 07 09:17:53 <Estel^> it would be funny if someone would say, that is too cool for screwdriver, wouldn't it?
Jun 07 09:18:26 <Estel^> blog may be idiotic or very interesting, depending on content ;)
Jun 07 09:19:31 <Estel^> vi_,  do You know that asterisk is so scalable, than package for openwrt is less than 2mb?
Jun 07 09:21:09 <Estel^> fasta,  loook at:
Jun 07 09:21:17 <Estel^> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568
Jun 07 09:21:23 <Estel^> and see:
Jun 07 09:23:54 <Estel^> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928
Jun 07 09:24:15 <teotwaki> Hurrian: compiling on the PS3? How?
Jun 07 09:24:23 <Estel^> 2nd link is about body replacement, that is going to hold 6000 mAh battery
Jun 07 09:24:36 <Estel^> amongst other awesome things ;)
Jun 07 09:26:24 <Hurrian> teotwaki, otheros++
Jun 07 09:26:57 <Estel^> yesterday i bought bh-214 for 9 usd
Jun 07 09:27:11 <Estel^> will mod it to contain better battery
Jun 07 09:42:19 <teotwaki> Hurrian: I'm guessing this requires a PS3 pre-removal of OtherOS?
Jun 07 09:43:28 <teotwaki> wtf?
Jun 07 09:43:49 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer: what was that all about?
Jun 07 09:44:05 <DocScrutinizer05> [07.06.2012 11:11:14] <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it
Jun 07 09:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm fed up with it
Jun 07 09:44:35 <teotwaki> with what?
Jun 07 09:45:44 <DocScrutinizer05> here. particularly with "" use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it""
Jun 07 09:47:14 <teotwaki> I didn't even know people used that
Jun 07 09:47:19 <teotwaki> who does? On TMO I'm guessing?
Jun 07 09:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> used what? my nick?
Jun 07 09:47:35 <DocScrutinizer05> my fuckedup nick?
Jun 07 09:47:57 <Hurrian> teotwaki, works with PS3s up to 3.55
Jun 07 09:48:24 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer: I'm lost
Jun 07 09:48:44 <teotwaki> Hurrian: heh, I'm stuffed.
Jun 07 09:48:54 <teotwaki> I've got 3 PS3, none are usable :(
Jun 07 09:49:12 <Hurrian> beyond 3.55, it's can still be done, but the exploits are private, and only for debugger/debugger-converted systems
Jun 07 09:56:12 <vi_>  ~tmo
Jun 07 09:56:12 <infobot> tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
Jun 07 09:56:31 <vi_> ~ping troll.maemo.org
Jun 07 09:56:31 <infobot> pong troll.maemo.org
Jun 07 09:57:11 <NIN101> ...
Jun 07 10:05:45 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: I'm lost as well what this constant bashing of my nick is meant to achieve
Jun 07 10:07:47 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you accept he's always following his own ideas of psychology: [07.06.2012 11:06:28] <Estel^> a small piece of something I've said about it being wrong, vulnerable itp, got planted
Jun 07 10:08:21 <DocScrutinizer05> or he's just silly kid
Jun 07 10:08:32 <Estel^> DocScrutinizer,  ahy I got kicked?
Jun 07 10:08:53 <DocScrutinizer05> either way using my nick in same sentence as "fucked up" is sth I don't wnat to see
Jun 07 10:09:10 <Estel^> wtf?!
Jun 07 10:09:35 <Estel^> DocScrutinizer,  please, elaborate. I was idlee for a while, and I demand explanation why I got kicked?
Jun 07 10:09:53 <DocScrutinizer05> [07.06.2012 11:11:14] <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it
Jun 07 10:09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> this for
Jun 07 10:10:03 * Estel^ nods
Jun 07 10:10:18 <Estel^> I see. Of course, "People mean well" doesnt apply anymore
Jun 07 10:10:20 <Estel^> ???
Jun 07 10:10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> not for you
Jun 07 10:10:36 <Estel^> You, of course, havent realised, that it's effect of auto completion
Jun 07 10:10:44 <Estel^> for "whatzup doc?
Jun 07 10:10:50 <Estel^> aka bunny bugs?
Jun 07 10:11:07 <Estel^> I'm writing from N900 and haven't noticed, that failed to delete whole autocompletion.
Jun 07 10:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, apology accepted
Jun 07 10:11:22 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for kick then
Jun 07 10:11:29 <Estel^> no problem
Jun 07 10:11:35 <Estel^> not meant to offend You...
Jun 07 10:11:53 <Estel^> BTW, ask next time, please ;) You will never be late with kick
Jun 07 10:15:55 <teotwaki> http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522960_3430376595919_263384423_n.jpg
Jun 07 10:20:49 <xkr47> :D
Jun 07 10:22:37 <vi_> teotwaki: lolwut?
Jun 07 10:23:42 <Estel^> teotwaki,  LOL
Jun 07 11:43:37 <kwtm> Hmm... I too recall a time that using my N900 to do IRC in this channel had its disadvantages partly because people thought I was using something with a much larger screen.
Jun 07 11:47:09 <TTilus> im on N900 right now
Jun 07 11:47:21 <TTilus> standard linelength =D
Jun 07 11:47:33 <TTilus> irssi
Jun 07 11:57:26 <tra-la-l1> hello
Jun 07 11:58:15 <tra-la-l1> I'm having a strange problem with my N900: I'm unable to connect to wifi since yesterday, and /usr/sbin/wlancond uses around 100% of the cpu
Jun 07 11:58:32 <tra-la-l1> I'm even unable to open a root terminal to kill it
Jun 07 11:58:42 <jacekowski> have you tried a reboot?
Jun 07 11:59:14 <tra-la-l1> yes, but the problem is the same as soon as the phone tries to connect to wifi again
Jun 07 12:00:18 <jacekowski> flash it
Jun 07 12:01:35 <tra-la-l1> I did just hope I wouldn't have to, but I begin to think it's the only solution
Jun 07 12:01:40 <tra-la-l1> dammit
Jun 07 12:11:47 <TTilus> backup, list selections, flash, reinstall stuff, restore, not too bad
Jun 07 12:12:24 <TTilus> but a bit overkill in case there is a direct solution
Jun 07 12:13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> tra-la-l1: which "firmware"? PR1.3.1, or CSSU?
Jun 07 12:14:12 <kwtm> I, too, would hope some brainstorming can find a non-completereflash solution.
Jun 07 12:15:08 <DocScrutinizer05> tra-la-l1: also, what did you do yesterday? (usually those problems don't start out of thin air)
Jun 07 12:15:23 <vi_> garbagein==garbage out
Jun 07 12:15:36 <tra-la-l1> DocScrutinizer05: PR 1.3.1, if I remember well, but I haven't played wth it for a long time, so not sure if I changes it
Jun 07 12:16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, so you meant you switched it on yesterday after months of it staying in shelf?
Jun 07 12:16:31 <tra-la-l1> DocScrutinizer05: nothing particular yesterday, maybe the problem is here for a few days, but I didn't install any new software or anything that make 
Jun 07 12:16:55 <tra-la-l1> no, I mean that I just used it as a phone for the last few monthes
Jun 07 12:17:13 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm, and you didn't connect to WLAN during that time?
Jun 07 12:17:21 <tra-la-l1> without seing anything strange or even installing any software
Jun 07 12:17:35 <tra-la-l1> but yes, I used it to connect to wireless
Jun 07 12:17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jun 07 12:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> so it apparently started to misbehave with no actual reason
Jun 07 12:18:17 * vi_ munch crunch munch
Jun 07 12:18:42 <tra-la-l1> DocScrutinizer05: apparently, yes.
Jun 07 12:18:48 <DocScrutinizer05> do you have any non-standard inetrnet/WLAN related stuff installed? like auto-disconnect etc
Jun 07 12:19:06 <tra-la-l1> Yes, I have auto-disconnect installed
Jun 07 12:19:11 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Jun 07 12:19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash! don't install auto-disconnect
Jun 07 12:19:46 <tra-la-l1> won't apt-get remove be enough?
Jun 07 12:20:04 <DocScrutinizer05> auto-disconnect is notorious to cause *all sorts* of nasty effects and bugs, and apparently there's no clean uninstall for it
Jun 07 12:20:31 <tra-la-l1> ok, didn't know that
Jun 07 12:22:14 <DocScrutinizer05> on the bright side: you can expect everything back to normal, after reflashing and restore a backup done with maemo backup app, with *deselecting* auto-disconnect from the list of apps to restore
Jun 07 12:22:32 <jacekowski> infobot: seen pali
Jun 07 12:22:39 <DocScrutinizer05> o/ jacekowski
Jun 07 12:22:39 <infobot> pali is currently on #maemo (48m 40s) #maemo-ssu (48m 40s), last said: 'jacekowski, you can write me message if I'm online too (I will read it in irc log as your yesterday attempt to ping/catch me :)'.
Jun 07 12:22:42 <Pali> hi
Jun 07 12:22:46 <jacekowski> Pali: hi 
Jun 07 12:22:48 <DocScrutinizer05> o/ Pali
Jun 07 12:22:50 <jacekowski> Pali: well, i've had a look at it
Jun 07 12:23:04 <tra-la-l1> DocScrutinizer05: I'll do that then, it would have been a shame to lose all my packages to make a clean install
Jun 07 12:23:41 <Pali> jacekowski, nolo?
Jun 07 12:24:10 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, just do a full backup with built-in backup app, then install backupmenu and do a disk"image" backup of your whole system, just in case
Jun 07 12:24:45 <DocScrutinizer05> then uninstall auto-disconnect
Jun 07 12:25:14 <DocScrutinizer05> remove auto-disconnect related stuff from ~user/
Jun 07 12:25:25 <DocScrutinizer05> then flash rootfs/COMBINED
Jun 07 12:25:50 <DocScrutinizer05> run backup app restore, uncheck auto-disconnect from list of apps to re-install
Jun 07 12:26:07 <jacekowski> Pali: yeah
Jun 07 12:26:07 <jacekowski> i've found the function that generates atags
Jun 07 12:26:27 <Pali> nice, show it :-)
Jun 07 12:28:04 <tra-la-l1> ok, the backup is on his way. 
Jun 07 12:28:30 <DocScrutinizer05> tra-la-l1: shouldn't take too long
Jun 07 12:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> after it finishing, install backupmenu app
Jun 07 12:28:57 <DocScrutinizer05> do a backup with BM
Jun 07 12:29:54 <DocScrutinizer05> then do a backup to PC of all your stuff on MyDocs, incl the backup files created by maemo-backup and BM
Jun 07 12:30:07 <DocScrutinizer05> the apt-get purge auto-disconnect
Jun 07 12:30:10 <DocScrutinizer05> theN
Jun 07 12:31:08 <tra-la-l1> flash, restore and hope it solves the problem :)
Jun 07 12:31:22 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Jun 07 12:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> just make sure you don't restore auto-disconnect as well ;-)
Jun 07 12:32:38 <tra-la-l1> Does the restore utility give a list of apps to restore, or do I have to remove it from the list inside the backup file?
Jun 07 12:33:16 <DocScrutinizer05> if anything breaks terribly (due to you doing an oopsie) you still can roll back completely to the system backed-up by BM
Jun 07 12:33:22 <jacekowski> Pali: well, i've had no time to trace it exactly
Jun 07 12:33:28 <DocScrutinizer05> tra-la-l1: it gives a list
Jun 07 12:33:33 <jacekowski> Pali: but it looks like atag data is coming from xloader
Jun 07 12:33:48 <tra-la-l1> nice
Jun 07 12:33:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, indeed
Jun 07 12:34:26 <Pali> jacekowski, do you have disassembled nolo/x-loader text files?
Jun 07 12:38:17 <jacekowski> yes
Jun 07 12:46:35 <vi_> bashphorism 1: the questioner's first description of the
Jun 07 12:46:40 <vi_> problem/question will be misleading.
Jun 07 12:46:44 <vi_> ^true
Jun 07 12:52:51 <cityLights> hi
Jun 07 12:52:59 <cityLights> is anyone here from spain?
Jun 07 12:53:32 <vi_> nope
Jun 07 12:53:44 <vi_> worried about the euro too?
Jun 07 12:53:49 <vi_> we all are bro.
Jun 07 12:53:59 <cityLights> na, seeking advice
Jun 07 12:54:55 <vi_> are you seeking an auto incrementing pattern matcher?
Jun 07 12:57:38 <jacekowski> Pali: are you going to be around bit later?
Jun 07 12:58:04 <jacekowski> Pali: around 1900  CEST
Jun 07 12:58:18 <Pali> jacekowski, sure
Jun 07 13:47:37 <RST38h> MEANWHILE: 1,000 Foxconn iPad workers trash dorms in riot against guards
Jun 07 13:50:22 <vi_> riot against guards>
Jun 07 13:50:24 <vi_> ?
Jun 07 13:50:27 <vi_> wtf?
Jun 07 13:50:32 <vi_> is it a factory
Jun 07 13:50:36 <jaska> 1000 foxconn inmates
Jun 07 13:50:47 <vi_> or a ghoulag internment camp?
Jun 07 13:50:56 <Raimu> You need to keep your workers in line.
Jun 07 13:51:10 <vi_> then you execute your generals.
Jun 07 13:51:41 <Raimu> Then you get the sugar. And then you get the power.
Jun 07 14:04:21 <teotwaki> TTilus: if you use an irc client that is incapable of line wrap, you need to be shot.
Jun 07 14:05:14 <RST38h> TheRegister readers about Win8: "Nobody will want to have their PC look like a mobile phone which nobody wants."
Jun 07 14:19:03 <vi_> RST38h: double negative?
Jun 07 14:28:57 <teotwaki> Also, that should be "that" instead of "which".
Jun 07 15:22:08 <Raimu> Heh, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84720
Jun 07 15:22:18 <Raimu> Poor guy. Broke his n950.
Jun 07 15:25:22 <SpeedEvil> :/
Jun 07 15:39:15 <vi_> Raimu: It was not 'his' N950.
Jun 07 15:47:57 <Raimu> Is this the "It was Nokia's phone, graciously given to use for his relative" argument? :)
Jun 07 15:52:17 <SpeedEvil> Am I misremembering the terms, or was there in fact no language against giving it to other people - as long as it can be returned?
Jun 07 15:52:52 <vi_> I assumed you were not allowed to let anyone else see it.
Jun 07 15:53:11 <vi_> And this guy was about to get his relative in a shit load of trouble.
Jun 07 15:53:45 <SpeedEvil> There is 'will not use it to disparage nokia' language
Jun 07 16:54:58 <maemobot> LOL wut: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84720
Jun 07 16:55:04 <maemobot> nice example of nepotism
Jun 07 16:57:16 <Estel_> ough, connection problem... for a moment, i though that I got kicked, and started wondering, if "nepotism" isn't anagram of DocScrutinizer, or something like that ;)
Jun 07 16:57:32 <Estel_> well, different number of letters, so I can, probably, feel safe
Jun 07 17:00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: "the" terms? when his relative is e.g. tekoyo or konttori, I don't think any terms we ever get to know about would apply
Jun 07 17:01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: I got several GTA02 here, and I got them with basically no restrictions on what I'm allowed to do with them
Jun 07 17:02:20 <DocScrutinizer05> it's quite usual that those who invent the rules are free to obey or not obey to them
Jun 07 17:05:02 <DocScrutinizer05> vi_: you definitely are supposed to show the device off at any possible occasion ;-)
Jun 07 17:06:12 <DocScrutinizer05> vi_: and no, I don't think that's warranted that there has to be any shitload of trouble for that guy's Nokia R&D relative
Jun 07 17:07:38 * Woody14619 snickers at the "no restriction" on GTA02... :)
Jun 07 17:07:59 * Woody14619 has a GTA02 as well, and knows it's quite restricted in what it can do... :P
Jun 07 17:10:34 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehe
Jun 07 17:11:45 <DocScrutinizer05> well, OM actually never was any non-disclosive about his development
Jun 07 17:39:05 <Woody14619> It was a great poritble linux box... but some/most of the built-in hardware just didn't like life.  (GSM, BT, Wifi, etc)  Never could get GSM to talk to the BT while connected to a headset, which was a deal killer for me.
Jun 07 17:40:05 <Woody14619> I've been debating using is as a nice low-power mifi, you know, with the vast ammounts of free time I have to code up such a thing. :P
Jun 07 17:42:41 <DocScrutinizer05> *nod*
Jun 07 17:43:17 <DocScrutinizer05> BT SCO was a bit tricky
Jun 07 17:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> the BT chip needed to get switched to PCM hard (as in "flash some bit in firmware")
Jun 07 17:47:23 <DocScrutinizer05> given the wired headset wasn't particularly great either in any way, I can understand why this is a dealbreaker for anybody who wants to use a headset with gta02
Jun 07 18:14:19 <jacekowski> Pali: ?
Jun 07 18:14:40 <Pali> jacekowski, I'm here
Jun 07 18:18:45 <GeneralAntilles> Everybody see the MetaWatch sale today? http://tideals.com/
Jun 07 18:22:29 <jacekowski> give me a sec qemu is playing up
Jun 07 18:22:43 <Pali> ok
Jun 07 18:58:58 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: is this sale any special? wasn't it always at ~150usd for the digital?
Jun 07 18:59:06 <DocScrutinizer05> or even less?
Jun 07 19:01:30 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jun 07 19:01:31 <GeneralAntilles> $199
Jun 07 19:10:15 <Pali> jacekowski, ready?
Jun 07 19:11:04 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: aah, ok
Jun 07 19:11:23 <DocScrutinizer05> so they need to get rid of the non-iOS-compatible stuff
Jun 07 19:13:56 <Tofe> plop
Jun 07 19:22:32 <jacekowski> Pali: i think so
Jun 07 19:29:02 <jacekowski> Pali: ok, basically, there is a big function that prepares atags
Jun 07 19:29:31 <jacekowski> Pali: i've looked at two different nolo versions and it's @RAM:804010B8 on both 
Jun 07 19:30:40 <DocScrutinizer05> go hackers gooooooooo!
Jun 07 19:30:45 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jun 07 19:31:10 <Pali> can you share disassembled nolo with addresses?
Jun 07 19:31:19 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders where jonwil is MIA
Jun 07 19:31:38 <Pali> jacekowski, something plain text
Jun 07 19:31:44 <freemangordon> jacekowski: do you use IDA?
Jun 07 19:32:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd guess a certain complexity of GUI based analysis can't sanely get exported as plaintext anymore
Jun 07 19:33:13 <jacekowski> freemangordon: yes
Jun 07 19:34:01 <jacekowski> Pali: my .idb won't help you unless you've got licence 
Jun 07 19:34:02 <Tofe> oh gosh, IDA still exists today ? what's the current version number ? 23 ?
Jun 07 19:34:25 <DocScrutinizer05> in-circuit-emulator backtraces and rich disassembler output falling into that category
Jun 07 19:34:28 <jacekowski> Tofe: depends
Jun 07 19:34:31 <jacekowski> Tofe: 6.3 
Jun 07 19:34:44 <jacekowski> Tofe: latest leaked version is 6.1
Jun 07 19:34:45 <Tofe> ah. weird. must be something else then.
Jun 07 19:34:46 <freemangordon> Tofe: 6.1 (the latest on piratebay) :)
Jun 07 19:35:58 <freemangordon> jacekowski: you have ARM hexrays?
Jun 07 19:35:58 <jacekowski> i'm not sure why ida decided to mess my database for some unknown reason
Jun 07 19:36:02 * freemangordon is envy
Jun 07 19:36:03 * user__ <3 IDA
Jun 07 19:36:22 <jacekowski> freemangordon: not my myself
Jun 07 19:36:27 * vi__ <3 IDA
Jun 07 19:36:27 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, hi user__- long time no see ;-P
Jun 07 19:36:32 <vi__> heh
Jun 07 19:36:42 * vi__ clinks doc's beer.
Jun 07 19:36:47 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Jun 07 19:36:52 <jacekowski> freemangordon: but hexrays is pretty useless
Jun 07 19:36:57 <jacekowski> freemangordon: at least the arm version
Jun 07 19:37:06 <jacekowski> freemangordon: x86 is a lot better
Jun 07 19:37:19 <freemangordon> jacekowski: yeah, 386 is pretty useful
Jun 07 19:37:26 <Pali> what is hexrays?
Jun 07 19:37:29 <vi__> olliedbg 4tw!
Jun 07 19:37:34 <freemangordon> decompiler
Jun 07 19:38:20 <vi__> not available with IDA free version
Jun 07 19:38:35 <freemangordon> vi_: since when IDA has a free version?
Jun 07 19:38:41 <jacekowski> freemangordon: since always
Jun 07 19:38:55 <vi__> It is ironic that the program for haxing copy protection has copy protection.
Jun 07 19:38:57 <freemangordon> and last free version is? 4
Jun 07 19:39:00 <jacekowski> freemangordon: but it's few versions behind paid version and limited features
Jun 07 19:39:06 <vi__> freemangordon: old versions are free.
Jun 07 19:39:13 <jacekowski> vi__: well, ida copy protection is easy to defeat
Jun 07 19:39:14 <freemangordon> yeah, the last free was 4 iirc
Jun 07 19:39:19 <jacekowski> 5.5
Jun 07 19:39:24 <freemangordon> could be
Jun 07 19:39:39 <freemangordon> Pali: you should get one
Jun 07 19:39:43 <freemangordon> :)
Jun 07 19:39:47 <jacekowski> hmm, 5.0
Jun 07 19:39:54 <jacekowski> http://178.63.31.6/files/idafree50.exe
Jun 07 19:40:10 <freemangordon> the same, it is useless for ARM
Jun 07 19:40:16 <jacekowski> not really
Jun 07 19:40:34 <jacekowski> disassembler module hasn't changed that much
Jun 07 19:40:41 <jacekowski> no debugger though
Jun 07 19:41:30 <freemangordon> I've been trying to RE several libs with 5.0, it results in a total mess. 6.x does much better if not perfect job
Jun 07 19:42:14 <freemangordon> it is not disasm, but the logic behind (i.e. stack, registers, etc)
Jun 07 19:42:15 <Pali> jacekowski, I have other question about x-loader/nolo: how it get bootreason (pwr button, sw_rst, ...)
Jun 07 19:45:54 <jacekowski> RAM:80403EF0
Jun 07 19:46:13 <jacekowski> that's the function that sets variables in nolo after checking bootreason
Jun 07 19:47:17 <jacekowski> but bootreason itself seems to be stored @0x48307258
Jun 07 19:47:56 <freemangordon> jacekowski: mind to shre .idbs
Jun 07 19:48:00 <freemangordon> *share
Jun 07 19:49:25 <jacekowski> my idb isn't going to help you unless you've got legit version of ida
Jun 07 19:49:34 <jacekowski> as in, latest
Jun 07 19:50:02 <freemangordon> :(
Jun 07 19:50:12 <freemangordon> 6.1 not enough?
Jun 07 19:50:26 <jacekowski> nah
Jun 07 19:50:36 <Pali> what is start ram adrress?
Jun 07 19:50:36 <jacekowski> database format is updated every version
Jun 07 19:50:45 <jacekowski> 0x8something
Jun 07 19:50:55 <freemangordon> damn
Jun 07 19:50:58 <jacekowski> RAM:80400000
Jun 07 19:52:51 <jacekowski> i really feel sorry for people that are buying new version of ida
Jun 07 19:53:21 <jacekowski> i was lucky enough to buy it before they started charging for windows and linux version separately
Jun 07 19:54:59 <vi__> jacekowski: personal license?
Jun 07 19:55:03 <jacekowski> yeah
Jun 07 19:55:26 <vi__> I can see the jacekowski advice animal meme now:
Jun 07 19:55:50 <vi__> jacekowski: buys legitimate software to crack legitimate software.
Jun 07 19:57:01 <jacekowski> i've been using ida since don't remember when
Jun 07 19:57:06 <jacekowski> but when it was freeware only
Jun 07 19:57:16 <jacekowski> and then i've had latest version at work
Jun 07 19:57:33 <jacekowski> and then it was kinda strange to have to go back to free version
Jun 07 19:58:18 <vi__> out of curiosity, what do you work as?
Jun 07 19:58:32 <jacekowski> now, something not really related 
Jun 07 19:58:54 <vi__> when you were using IDA
Jun 07 19:59:05 <jacekowski> AV
Jun 07 19:59:06 <vi__> I cannot think of a legitimate use for it.
Jun 07 19:59:10 <vi__> Oh
Jun 07 19:59:13 <vi__> thats one!
Jun 07 20:00:02 <jacekowski> and besides, i remember something you said week ago
Jun 07 20:00:07 <jacekowski> about n900 serial port
Jun 07 20:00:11 <vi__> erp
Jun 07 20:00:16 <vi__> ...
Jun 07 20:00:18 <jacekowski> it was me not r00t
Jun 07 20:00:22 <vi__> aah
Jun 07 20:00:25 <vi__> apologies
Jun 07 20:00:47 <vi__> I for some reason thought it was someone with the word root in his name.
Jun 07 20:01:05 <vi__> I have bought shame on the clan of '_'
Jun 07 20:03:35 <jacekowski> there is not much use for that port anyways 
Jun 07 20:04:00 <vi__> I was really hoping there would be an I2C there.
Jun 07 20:04:25 <freemangordon> jacekowski: isn't that port used for nolo trace messages?
Jun 07 20:04:53 <jacekowski> yeah, and nolo serial console/commandline
Jun 07 20:05:12 <freemangordon> hmm, that could be usefull then
Jun 07 20:05:19 <freemangordon> (to an extend)
Jun 07 20:05:31 <jacekowski> only if you are doing some work on bootloader
Jun 07 20:05:44 <freemangordon> I see
Jun 07 20:12:21 <vi__> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-dev-phone-/280896512893?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item4166bca37d#ht_500wt_951
Jun 07 20:12:25 <vi__> orly?
Jun 07 20:13:28 <jacekowski> looks kinda stolen
Jun 07 20:17:00 <vi__> brb
Jun 07 20:17:03 <vi__> booze
Jun 07 20:34:17 <Pali> <jacekowski> but bootreason itself seems to be stored @0x48307258 > This address you get from NOLO?
Jun 07 20:34:25 <Pali> or from memory/omap trm?
Jun 07 20:40:39 <jacekowski> nolo
Jun 07 20:41:04 <Pali> ok, thanks!
Jun 07 20:41:31 <Pali> in omap trm it is PRM_RSTST at address 0x48307258
Jun 07 20:42:15 <jacekowski> 0x48004B40
Jun 07 20:42:19 <jacekowski> what's at that address?
Jun 07 20:42:36 <vi__> by how much does n900 compcache compress data?
Jun 07 20:42:39 <vi__> x2?
Jun 07 20:42:42 <vi__> x3?
Jun 07 20:42:58 <jacekowski> depends on data
Jun 07 20:44:29 <vi__> what are guesstimate best and worst cases?
Jun 07 20:44:42 <Pali> 0x48004B40 - CM_CLKSEL_SGX
Jun 07 20:44:44 <jacekowski> 2x-ish
Jun 07 20:45:09 <jacekowski> Pali: strange, it's comparing those two addresses to detect some sort of  Off-mode cold reset bug detected
Jun 07 20:45:12 <jacekowski> whatever that is
Jun 07 20:45:52 <Pali> Description: SGX clock selection
Jun 07 20:46:14 <jacekowski> yeah, i don't see a reltion between those
Jun 07 20:46:53 <Pali> read - always return 0
Jun 07 20:50:40 <Pali> 0x48307258 - PRM_RSTST - This register logs the global reset sources. Each bit is set upon release of the domain reset signal. Must be cleared by software.
Jun 07 20:52:31 <Pali> register is 32bit
Jun 07 20:52:58 <Pali> bit 0 - GLOBAL_COLD_RST
Jun 07 20:53:02 <Pali> bit 1 - GLOBAL_SW_RST
Jun 07 20:53:23 <Pali> bit 4 - MPU_WD_RST
Jun 07 20:53:35 <Pali> bit 6 - EXTERNAL_WARM_RST
Jun 07 20:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> there you are
Jun 07 20:54:04 <Pali> but if you write 1, then you clear status :-(
Jun 07 20:54:30 <Pali> and seems that NOLO is clearing status of registers...
Jun 07 20:54:32 <DocScrutinizer05> not meant to write anything to that register, I'd guess
Jun 07 20:54:49 <DocScrutinizer05> well, then NOLO will move that state to somewhere else
Jun 07 20:54:55 <jacekowski> hmmmmm
Jun 07 20:55:00 <Pali> to ATAG bootreason
Jun 07 20:55:05 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Jun 07 20:55:07 <jacekowski> not exactly
Jun 07 20:55:18 <jacekowski> not directly
Jun 07 20:55:26 <Pali> could be
Jun 07 20:55:32 <jacekowski> there is like a kinda lookup table
Jun 07 20:56:25 <jacekowski> 0x14 
Jun 07 20:56:38 <jacekowski> 10100
Jun 07 20:56:42 <jacekowski> that would be usb boot reason
Jun 07 20:57:21 <Pali> really 0x1410100 ?
Jun 07 20:58:20 <jacekowski> 0x14
Jun 07 20:58:33 <jacekowski> which is 0b10100
Jun 07 20:58:57 <Pali> in what register?
Jun 07 20:59:04 <Pali> 0x48307258?
Jun 07 20:59:11 <jacekowski> nah, that's nolo vlue
Jun 07 21:01:45 <jacekowski> there is a table in nolo that translates those values
Jun 07 21:02:21 <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/09j11xHR
Jun 07 21:06:40 <jacekowski> so for example 0x1 in register would translate to 0x10 in nolo which means por
Jun 07 21:07:44 <jacekowski> 8=3
Jun 07 21:08:05 <jacekowski> 0x10=4 - 32wd_to
Jun 07 21:08:21 <wmarone> 32wd_to... my old nemesis...
Jun 07 21:10:55 <Pali> > so for example 0x1 in register... which register?
Jun 07 21:11:10 <jacekowski> PRM_RSTST
Jun 07 21:11:20 <jacekowski> rest of them is bit more complicated  ANDS.W          R0, R4, #0x20
Jun 07 21:11:27 <jacekowski> because i'm not sure what ANDS is doing
Jun 07 21:14:30 <Pali> I do not understand... how is 0x1 transtaled into por?
Jun 07 21:14:45 <jacekowski> there is function in nolo that does it
Jun 07 21:18:38 <Pali> ah now I see from that log, that "DCD 0x10" line means arm code "00000001" which is "andeq r0, r0, r1"
Jun 07 21:20:46 <jacekowski> no
Jun 07 21:21:09 <jacekowski> basicaly there is a function in nolo that starts atRAM:80403EF0 
Jun 07 21:21:22 <jacekowski> that function takes that PRM_RSTST register 
Jun 07 21:21:49 <jacekowski> comapres it agains that other magic value to check for that cold reset bug
Jun 07 21:21:52 <jacekowski> or whatever it is
Jun 07 21:21:59 <jacekowski> and then translates the number
Jun 07 21:22:08 <jacekowski> 0x1 into 0x10
Jun 07 21:22:14 <jacekowski> 0x8 into 0x3
Jun 07 21:22:19 <jacekowski> 0x10 into 0x4
Jun 07 21:22:30 <jacekowski> and then those numbers are looked up in table i've pased
Jun 07 21:22:31 <jacekowski> pasted
Jun 07 21:22:37 <jacekowski> to give you final bootreason
Jun 07 21:23:01 <Pali> ok
Jun 07 21:23:18 <jacekowski> + there is r&d flag that will force bootreason to be always pwr_key
Jun 07 21:24:42 <jacekowski> it's mater of simple switch statement to replace that
Jun 07 21:25:50 <Pali> 0x8 = 3 - Reserved for non-GP devices.
Jun 07 21:26:44 <jacekowski> nah
Jun 07 21:27:04 <jacekowski> 0x8=0b1000
Jun 07 21:27:21 <jacekowski> hmmmm
Jun 07 21:27:23 <jacekowski> yeah
Jun 07 21:27:34 <Pali> 0x10 = 16 - MPU_WD_RST - MPU watchdog reset event
Jun 07 21:27:45 <jacekowski> hmmm
Jun 07 21:27:46 <jacekowski> sec_vio
Jun 07 21:27:52 <jacekowski> security violation?
Jun 07 21:28:11 <Pali> maybe for hs mode
Jun 07 21:28:48 <Pali> 0x10 into 0x4 which is 32wd_to
Jun 07 21:28:56 <Pali> so really watchdog reset
Jun 07 21:30:10 <jacekowski> yeah
Jun 07 21:30:38 <jacekowski> later it's doing and and shift to that register and comparing it
Jun 07 21:30:45 <jacekowski> but i'm not sure how ANDS exactly work
Jun 07 21:30:56 <Pali> google
Jun 07 21:33:18 <jacekowski> hmm
Jun 07 21:33:25 <jacekowski> 0x20 - 2?
Jun 07 21:34:20 <Pali> bit 5 - Reserved for non-GP devices.
Jun 07 21:38:19 <jacekowski> hmm, that's SW reset
Jun 07 21:38:29 <jacekowski> if 0x20 is set 
Jun 07 21:38:46 <jacekowski> + then there is sw_reset reason encoded in other bits
Jun 07 21:40:00 <jacekowski> 0x200 - 0x11
Jun 07 21:40:13 <Pali> 0x20 = 0b100000 = 5th bit -  Reserved for non-GP devices.
Jun 07 21:41:23 <jacekowski> that would be all
Jun 07 21:41:31 <jacekowski> if it's anything else it's set as unknown
Jun 07 21:41:42 <jacekowski> hmm, unless
Jun 07 21:42:13 <Pali> 0x200 = bit 9 - ICEPICK_RST - IcePick reset event. This is a source of warm reset initiated by the emulation.
Jun 07 21:43:21 <Pali> ok, thanks much
Jun 07 21:44:40 <Pali> jacekowski, can you find how nolo generate MEM atag? On some N900 it generate 2 MEM atags and on some only one MEM atag
Jun 07 21:44:47 <Pali> see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560
Jun 07 21:44:52 <jacekowski> hmmm
Jun 07 21:44:57 <Pali> it generate same nolo version
Jun 07 21:45:01 <jacekowski> yeah, i've seen that
Jun 07 21:45:28 <jacekowski> there is a lot more bootreasons but those are based on twl4030 data somehow
Jun 07 21:46:37 <Pali> how nolo decide if it will generate two or one MEM atag?
Jun 07 21:47:46 <Pali> seems that all other atags are static (or at least same for all tested n900 from that thread)
Jun 07 21:50:40 <jacekowski> dunno
Jun 07 21:51:10 <jacekowski> it looks like that is HW generated
Jun 07 21:51:26 <jacekowski> or at least 1st stage noloxldr 
Jun 07 21:52:16 <Pali> on tmo is 2 different dumps from two n900 with hw rev 2104 britain
Jun 07 21:52:35 <jacekowski> i mean, it depends on value passed to noloscnd in R4
Jun 07 21:53:14 <Pali> and what has R4? some info which tell xloader to nolo?
Jun 07 21:53:38 <Pali> also x-loader is same for all 21** and 22** revs
Jun 07 21:53:55 <jacekowski> yes
Jun 07 21:54:14 <Pali> oh
Jun 07 21:54:25 <jacekowski> but it looks like it's generating same atags anyways
Jun 07 21:54:37 <jacekowski> it covers same physical addresses
Jun 07 21:54:51 <jacekowski> but in some cases it's divided into two atags
Jun 07 21:55:36 <Pali> I do not know what is linux kernel doing with MEM atag
Jun 07 21:55:36 <jacekowski> i wouldn't be worried about that
Jun 07 21:56:31 <Pali> is kernel doing some initialization for each mem atag?
Jun 07 21:57:36 <jacekowski> no
Jun 07 21:57:59 <jacekowski> all kernel is doing is expecting to see ready memory under those addresses
Jun 07 21:58:11 <Pali> it call function add_physical_memory
Jun 07 21:58:59 <jacekowski> yeah, but there is nothing to init physical memory in there
Jun 07 21:59:07 <jacekowski> memory is supposed to be initialised by then
Jun 07 22:00:33 <Pali> for arm it is function arm_add_memory (not add_physical_memory)
Jun 07 22:00:43 <Pali> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/arch/arm/kernel/setup.c#L672
Jun 07 22:00:57 <jacekowski> http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/SWLINUX/files/booting_article.html
Jun 07 22:01:56 <jacekowski> nothing serious there
Jun 07 22:02:18 <jacekowski> 4. Configuring the system's memory
Jun 07 22:02:23 <jacekowski> The bootloader is expected to find and initialise all RAM that the kernel will use for volatile data storage in the system. It performs this in a machine dependent manner. It may use internal algorithms to automatically locate and size all RAM, or it may use knowledge of the RAM in the machine, or any other method the bootloader designer sees fit.
Jun 07 22:02:30 <jacekowski> In all cases it should be noted that all setup is performed by the bootloader. The kernel should have no knowledge of the setup or configuration of the RAM within a system other than that provided by the bootloader. The use of machine_fixup() within the kernel is most definitely not the correct place for this. There is a clear distinction between the bootloaders responsibility and the kernel in this area.
Jun 07 22:02:38 <jacekowski> The kernel will coalesce blocks passed to it if they are contiguous physical regions.
Jun 07 22:03:24 <jacekowski> so kernel doesn't care about that memory
Jun 07 22:03:47 <Pali> ok, so it is same it it pass 2 mem or one mem (if they are continuous)
Jun 07 22:12:46 <Pali> jacekowski, thanks for all!
Jun 07 22:12:54 <Pali> now going offline, bye
Jun 07 23:16:27 <kke> i have two different mounts for /home/user, how come if i modify the desktop or email accounts, the changes affect both of them, no matter which one is mounted?
Jun 07 23:38:28 <Hurrian> kke, how can that happen?
Jun 07 23:38:52 <Hurrian> for example, you have one filesystem on /home/user, mmcblk0p2
Jun 07 23:38:59 <Hurrian> then you mount mmcblk1p2 on it
Jun 07 23:39:14 <Hurrian> unless you're using unionfs, it's going to start writing to 1p2
Jun 07 23:43:23 <kke> dont know, thats really strange
Jun 07 23:44:40 <kke> the other fs is crypted and cant be accidentally mounted
Jun 07 23:46:11 <kke> something saves something somewhere else or what the heck
Jun 08 00:22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> kke: such settings quite usually are cached in the process and just written back to file on program exit or/and other occasions 
Jun 08 00:22:59 <DocScrutinizer05> means: if you're umounting the one fs and mounting the other, while the process using the settings is active, you're quite likely doing a hidden copy
Jun 08 00:23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> for desktop that's almost inevitable as desktop will quite likely run when system is up so you could mount and such fs
Jun 08 00:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> so something=app saves something=settings somewhere else=in program cache
Jun 08 00:41:55 <DocScrutinizer05> well, s/cache/variables/
Jun 08 00:44:55 <DocScrutinizer05> kke: e.g. starhash-enabler needs to kill -9 the dialer app for that reason, after editing the config file
Jun 08 00:46:33 <DocScrutinizer05> might work for desktop as well
Jun 08 00:46:58 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc about email accounts
Jun 08 00:47:49 <DocScrutinizer05> try stopping modest for good, before switching to alternative fs
Jun 08 00:48:28 <DocScrutinizer05> or alternatively kill -9 modest after switching fs
Jun 08 00:50:28 * DocScrutinizer05 hears kke thinking "WTF?!" while realizing that switching from unecrypted to encrypted isn't exactly a simple task, after system booted up
Jun 08 00:50:55 <kke> DocScrutinizer05: that happens even when i reboot to the other mount
Jun 08 00:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> no, it already had happened when you do that
Jun 08 00:51:24 <Hurrian> you shouldn't be doing that, instead, you should change the mount in rcS-late
Jun 08 00:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Jun 08 00:52:17 <DocScrutinizer05> the copying is done whenever you switch between the two fs while all the apps with config are already started
Jun 08 00:52:35 * SpeedEvil thinks of a cryptoloop type module that understands and progressively encrypts the underlying device.
Jun 08 00:52:50 <DocScrutinizer05> so unless you boot to an empty encrypted fs, you already did the copy before
Jun 08 00:53:12 <kke> its impossible
Jun 08 00:53:34 <kke> when im in the unencrypted version, there should be no way to write to the encrypted version
Jun 08 00:53:46 <DocScrutinizer05> there isn't
Jun 08 00:53:58 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't you read what I tried to explain to you?
Jun 08 00:54:10 <DocScrutinizer05> how are you preparing your encrypted fs?
Jun 08 00:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> how do you manage to make it diffetrent from the original that is not encrypted?
Jun 08 00:55:30 <kke> during boot
Jun 08 00:56:10 <kke> if i enter the passphrase i get an encrypted home
Jun 08 00:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> when you boot to encrypted, change some mail account there, then powerdown, boot to unencrypted and the mail account already is there, then I dunno
Jun 08 00:56:33 <kke> yep and the other way around too
Jun 08 00:56:47 <kke> trange
Jun 08 00:57:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd guess you're mounting your encrypted fs after processes like hildon-desktop and maodest get started
Jun 08 00:59:02 <DocScrutinizer05> esp check gconfd, as a lot of stuff is stored there
Jun 08 00:59:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and I guess gconfd is started rather early in boot
Jun 08 01:00:02 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that shite is actally called gconfd
Jun 08 01:00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> actually*
Jun 08 01:02:21 <DocScrutinizer05> duh, and never forget about nasty hidden stuff 'under' the mount, a frequent source of irritations, headscratching and strange effects, when users do anything on a device with activated mass storage mode
Jun 08 01:03:06 <DocScrutinizer05> you could see same effects for mountpoint dir of /home
Jun 08 01:04:44 <DocScrutinizer05> the real fun stuff: file handles to files under the mountpoint will still work, even while the file itself got hidden by the mount
Jun 08 01:05:18 <DocScrutinizer05> at least I guess they do
Jun 08 01:06:39 <DocScrutinizer05> it's an educated guess though, as e.g. syslog can even write to files already renamed or completely deleted
Jun 08 01:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> lsof|grep gconfd
Jun 08 01:12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> none of the gconf database aka registry files is open. They all get opened when needed and closed after reading, modifying
Jun 08 01:12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> the rest of the time values are stored in gconfd-2 memory
Jun 08 02:18:30 <iluminator101> can you upgrade the chip in n900?
Jun 08 02:24:39 <robbiethe1st> no
Jun 08 02:25:13 <iluminator101> thats what i gathered from web search too
Jun 08 02:25:22 <Hurrian> boards are designed for only one SoC, don't try
Jun 08 02:25:40 <Hurrian> have you /seen/ an omap3530 chip?
Jun 08 02:26:06 <Hurrian> i highly doubt a person can even lift the onenand sitting on top of the 3430 and resolder it
Jun 08 02:37:41 <robbiethe1st> But you can clock yours up to 1.15ghz, if you're willing to deal with unknown life
Jun 08 02:37:58 <robbiethe1st> (need to overvoltage most chips to get it stable, but)
Jun 08 02:40:01 <ebzzry> hi! what is the default min and max freq of maemo5?
Jun 08 02:42:20 <int_ua> Any Blender users?
Jun 08 02:43:29 <robbiethe1st> Uh, 125/600
Jun 08 02:44:24 <int_ua> I've updated accelBlend to a usable state, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76991
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