**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 13 02:59:58 2012 Jun 13 03:08:54 frals: are you awake? i'm looking for rtcom.py but the link i found on maemo.org forums seems to be broken Jun 13 03:43:48 any interesting new phones coming out? Jun 13 03:44:05 open-sourcey Jun 13 03:44:33 I'm starting to develop for the iphone, just because everyone wants easy shit - but I like my freedoms :P Jun 13 03:54:27 iphone is easy shit? Jun 13 03:54:31 internetishard, not on the near horizon as far as I can tell. Jun 13 03:59:20 tank-man: for customers to use Jun 13 03:59:25 buy, learn, etc Jun 13 03:59:48 oh Jun 13 04:02:15 yeah, I just bought another n900 Jun 13 04:02:22 the other one was getting funky Jun 13 04:02:35 about to load it with the newest/freshest everything Jun 13 04:02:44 mine decides every now and then that it doesn't have a sim card in it. pretty brutal when in an important call Jun 13 04:04:01 tremby: yes, mine does that with the 16GB sd carfd Jun 13 05:05:19 tremby: the no-sim icon is catch-all ion for "modem not working" Jun 13 05:05:36 ShadowJK: any known fixes? Jun 13 05:06:16 i've had 2 n900 die that way Jun 13 05:06:34 nope Jun 13 05:07:52 for me, once it started, I could reliably trigger the fault be pinchig hard at h j k on keyboard Jun 13 05:07:55 so when in a call i held it by sides to avoid putting any pressure on the body of the phone Jun 13 05:08:05 but eventually it degraded to not working at all. Jun 13 05:08:30 that's not good news Jun 13 05:12:40 hjk pinch doesn't set mine off, which i guess doesn't actually tell me anything Jun 13 08:57:31 hiemanshu, is there a nice white/ light grey theme for the n900 Jun 13 09:27:51 ShadowJK: I hope there are two new ones on their way Jun 13 16:39:06 how can I use my N900 with no sim as a google voice phone Jun 13 16:41:19 Sazpaimon, don't put a SIM in and use it as a Google Voice Phone? Jun 13 16:41:20 Sazpaimon: you mean with wifi? Jun 13 16:41:44 GeneralAntilles: somehow I get the impression he thinks he can use it on cellular networks -.- Jun 13 16:43:41 forget google, use SIP Jun 13 16:44:21 no, with wifi Jun 13 16:44:36 ~wiki SIP provider Jun 13 16:44:40 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIP_provider (URL), Wikipedia explains: "Many companies provide SIP "termination" (outbound calling) and "origination" (inbound calling, usually with a POTS phone number, called a DID). Most companies that provide one, provide the other. Outbound (termination) rates vary from provider to provider and can often depend quite a bit on the kind of number being called. For example, since European cell phones have "calling ... Jun 13 16:44:53 I know what SIP providers are Jun 13 16:45:03 I'd rather not pay for one though if I can use google voice Jun 13 16:45:21 i wanted to replace my landline device with just the N900 Jun 13 16:45:37 since that never leaves the house Jun 13 16:46:13 howl the fuck do you think google would offer free service that others don't Jun 13 16:47:11 i already have a google voice account set up that I already use Jun 13 16:47:35 i'd rather not get a different number and stuff Jun 13 16:47:40 sipgate.de: free geographic phnone number, free inbound calls, free SIP calls, outbound minute rates usually better than skype Jun 13 16:49:01 yeah and google voice has free outbound, which I prefer over inbound Jun 13 16:50:07 and again, I don't want to go through the hassle of changing my number to something over that GVoice which is already printed on my buisiness cards Jun 13 16:50:19 nobody has "free" outbound Jun 13 16:50:40 it's free for the US as long as its domestic Jun 13 16:50:46 which is all I need Jun 13 16:51:58 fair enough Jun 13 16:59:01 https://simonics.com/gvgw/ here we go Jun 13 16:59:07 google voice to SIP gateway Jun 13 17:00:42 looks like it uses Yate which is available on the N900 so I could, in theory, run it locally Jun 13 17:15:18 GeneralAntilles, thanks for the offer, yesterday, but I was away and didn't notice the op, and since then the network dropped here. :) Jun 13 17:15:48 Round 2 Jun 13 17:19:42 moo Jun 13 17:23:54 * RST38h is now a proud owner of Samsung Note Jun 13 17:24:11 (and an AT&T cell phone contract, may it be damned for eternity) Jun 13 17:24:28 hehe Jun 13 17:24:37 RST38h, nifty... Saw a display model not that long ago.. They're nice.. but so huge.... Jun 13 17:24:44 two devils got you in one strike Jun 13 17:25:26 not very big really Jun 13 17:26:24 Note does not let me use USB mass storage. Sucks. Jun 13 17:28:26 Hi ! Jun 13 17:28:58 Howdy Jun 13 17:29:06 RST38h: Sure about that? Jun 13 17:29:09 8cm x 15cm? That's pretty big. :) Jun 13 17:29:23 Mass storage is in wireless and network under settings Jun 13 17:29:28 By default it uses MTP Jun 13 17:30:41 Note <3 Jun 13 17:31:01 iOS 6 <3 :P Jun 13 17:31:05 My spouse uses a Note. It's awesome because it's so huge. Jun 13 17:33:09 (The stylus is currently calibrated for right-handers, which won't help me the lefty.) Jun 13 17:33:35 Why the fuck was merlin1991 operator Jun 13 17:33:41 He could've taken over the channel Jun 13 17:33:52 And demanded a raise Jun 13 17:33:53 Mohammad: it does not let me switch it to Mass Storage mode on connect Jun 13 17:33:57 uhm Jun 13 17:34:05 because I'm an evil mastermind whose scheme was detected only a minute too early ;) Jun 13 17:34:07 Mohammad: Only contains some lame "tool" switching it into Mass Storage on demand Jun 13 17:34:27 RST38h: Yeah, you're a user, according to some companies you should be dumb Jun 13 17:34:34 AT&T clerk suggested that I go to ebay to unlock the Note =( Jun 13 17:34:34 merlin1991 wants to take over the world starting with #maemo? Jun 13 17:34:36 lol Jun 13 17:34:42 If you aren't, well, better start learning Jun 13 17:34:47 and its 100 users :-) Jun 13 17:34:51 Mohammad: If you know the magic hack, do not hold it to yourself ;) Jun 13 17:35:27 RST38h: tue magic hack is to not buy a note heh Jun 13 17:35:32 RST38h: Nope, I use the tool in settings or ClockworkMod when its off Jun 13 17:35:43 Lemme ask a friend Jun 13 17:35:55 Macer:Man it is 5+" Jun 13 17:36:12 Mohammad: I have not modded or rooted mine yet Jun 13 17:36:27 Mohammad: Too many other tasks to take care about =( Jun 13 17:37:07 RST38h: It's fairly simple Jun 13 17:37:09 Got SSH server running though Jun 13 17:37:13 You might get a triangle burned into your boot logo Jun 13 17:37:22 Yeah, seen the instructions... Jun 13 17:39:22 i still havent rooted my transformer Jun 13 17:39:28 heh Jun 13 17:39:44 they finally pushed out a fix for it that worked Jun 13 17:40:30 i will root it when it becomes abandonware like everything else android Jun 13 17:43:03 hehe: http://kazakdesign.com/files/images/no_publish/2012/Jlovesu_flat.jpg Jun 13 17:50:06 Offtopic question: Anyone knows of a unified messaging app for Android, same as we have used to in Maemo? Jun 13 17:50:56 or is it too much to ask from this Java version of Symbian3? =) Jun 13 18:10:13 mgedmin: ping Jun 13 18:34:54 Question: is inotify activated in the kernel ? Jun 13 18:44:22 yes Jun 13 18:47:36 Good :) Jun 13 18:49:02 ...Windows RT licenses reportedly costing $85... Jun 13 19:11:00 hi, where would i get gnu screen on n9? Jun 13 19:12:54 n9 discussions on #harmattan i think Jun 13 19:28:58 right oops Jun 13 19:29:19 /exit Jun 13 21:21:33 hello Jun 13 21:21:46 hello Jun 13 21:21:51 can i get the maegirls application integrated with the incoming call screen? Jun 13 21:22:27 sirdancealot, you are a bad person. Jun 13 21:22:36 * sirdancealot grins Jun 13 21:22:42 lmao Jun 13 21:24:50 sirdancealot: even though I can picture that quite usefull (hrhr) but you won't be bale todo that without doing some advanced haxx0ring Jun 13 21:24:58 because the incoming call screen is closed source Jun 13 21:28:13 why is it douche noobs will install any old shit irrespective of how development unstable it is. Jun 13 21:28:16 ? Jun 13 21:28:22 Because they're noobs Jun 13 21:28:28 and they don't read enough MWKN Jun 13 21:29:19 the best posts are the 'i do not notice anything different, what does this thing do?' posts. Jun 13 21:29:55 vi__: we had a bug report against -stable along those lines :D Jun 13 21:30:10 uh I notice no change on first glance THIS MUST BE BROKEN Jun 13 21:30:19 merlin1991, i see:) Jun 13 21:31:56 hm sirdancealot do you by any chance play tc:e? Jun 13 21:32:17 * merlin1991 remembers the nick Jun 13 21:32:23 merlin1991, no idea what that is, sorry Jun 13 21:32:26 :) Jun 13 21:33:28 ~tc:e Jun 13 21:33:43 merlin1991: true combat elite, my any chance?? Jun 13 21:33:47 yep Jun 13 21:33:48 define: tc:e Jun 13 21:33:53 *by Jun 13 21:34:35 did you see the priceless post on TMO? Jun 13 21:34:44 nope, linke please Jun 13 21:34:47 on the thumb kernel thread? Jun 13 21:35:22 your brain may explode from the full retard Jun 13 21:35:52 sixwheeledbeast: your nick rings no bell though Jun 13 21:36:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1221366&postcount=104 Jun 13 21:36:56 merlin1991: heard of it never played Jun 13 21:38:03 vi__: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1221108&postcount=70 is nearly up there too though Jun 13 21:57:16 vi__: darn trolls Jun 13 21:57:38 * Woody14619 sighs... dr_frost is normaly on his game... but this time, not so much. Jun 13 21:58:03 .oO(Knows tons about batteries, but not so much about thumb/OC apparently...) Jun 13 21:59:01 Love the links though... and yes, saw the one vi__ pointed to... "I'ma make your minds espode!" Jun 13 22:00:06 \o/ Fn/Ctrl swap accomplished \o/ Jun 13 22:00:34 hi all. Jun 13 22:00:51 mgedmin: ping Jun 13 22:02:47 DocScrutinizer: for future reference, could you please tell us the trick? Jun 13 22:02:59 (and congratulations ;) Jun 13 22:03:05 DocScrutinizer05, did you put it on the ThinkWiki? Jun 13 22:03:15 ~feed lowkyalur Jun 13 22:03:15 * infobot offers lowkyalur some pizza Jun 13 22:04:51 http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/474396-fn-ctrl-swap-all-lenovo-laptops-solved.html#%23 Jun 13 22:05:26 ah the bios mods Jun 13 22:05:28 cool Jun 13 22:05:30 scared the shit outa me at times, but finally worked Jun 13 22:05:52 do they have up-to-date bios? Jun 13 22:05:55 esp since you need windoze and instalkl that program Jun 13 22:06:50 dafox: it flashes baoth an obsolete bios and controller program, but only the latter is patched. re-updating to 3.22 bios still pending now Jun 13 22:07:12 the nice thing: the controller prog 1.06 never changed Jun 13 22:07:59 so updating latest official bios won't touch the supposedly already up-to-date controller Jun 13 22:08:19 so this guy told... Jun 13 22:09:16 I friggin never knew winzip was a commercial app you need to install from dunnowhere to unrar that crap Jun 13 22:09:23 DocScrutinizer05: did you check the program code for backdoors? Jun 13 22:09:31 bwahahaha Jun 13 22:09:40 sure, esp the bios Jun 13 22:09:51 OMMAGAD U R GONNA GET HAXXED IN TEH BUTT. Jun 13 22:10:07 the lowest level of rootkit. Jun 13 22:10:14 sure thing, have fun with my LINAX Jun 13 22:10:34 POS shareware limerux crap. Jun 13 22:11:02 * DocScrutinizer05 afk Jun 13 22:11:04 bbl Jun 13 22:13:36 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that keylogger in controller chip will send via capslock LED wire now, or simply hack the NIC via WOL link Jun 13 22:22:59 yeah Jun 13 22:23:22 DocScrutinizer51: if you ever have to unrar/unzip whatever on win again http://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=7zip&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.7-zip.org%2F&ei=yRLZT4NF0PGyBrf6qKAP&usg=AFQjCNElgl3u-wgL-ZOjo_CH4znsHpsyyw&cad=rja Jun 13 22:23:25 fu google Jun 13 22:23:30 http://www.7-zip.org/ Jun 13 22:23:47 ll Jun 13 22:23:51 ll? Jun 13 22:23:53 lol Jun 13 22:24:14 /o\ Jun 13 22:24:23 \o/ Jun 13 22:24:24 merlin1991: usb-cable to n900, extract on sd card... Jun 13 22:24:29 7zip is quite nice, especially since it also manages to unpack debs for quick inspection :) Jun 13 22:24:32 o& Jun 13 22:24:53 merlin1991: thanks Jun 13 22:25:27 this commercil nagging drove me nuts during these 10min I had to look at it Jun 13 22:26:53 I had a hard time to figure I had to click setup.bat Jun 13 22:27:31 probably another friggin .iso expanded and then rar'd Jun 13 22:28:01 and it gave me a awesome scary BSOD Jun 13 22:28:10 bsod, that's nice Jun 13 22:28:17 indeed Jun 13 22:29:14 so this hax has swapped fn and ctrl? Jun 13 22:29:23 '....detected problems on your PC. Shutting down wincrap to protect it from damage. bla bla bla 0xFA25FF21" Jun 13 22:29:35 yes, vi__ Jun 13 22:29:50 DocScrutinizer51: but about bsods, friend of mine had bsods because manufacturer shipped wrong lan driver Jun 13 22:30:01 it just chocked on heavy udp traffic and bsoded Jun 13 22:30:03 completely, minus the key caps Jun 13 22:30:09 so from bottom left it now goes ctrl,fn, alt? Jun 13 22:30:30 yep Jun 13 22:30:38 dunno for alt Jun 13 22:30:41 thats pretty sweet Jun 13 22:30:50 :nod: Jun 13 22:30:51 how do you like the trackpoint? Jun 13 22:31:04 rarely ever use it Jun 13 22:31:18 wtf do you use? Jun 13 22:31:18 got a MX500 mouse ;) Jun 13 22:31:28 bleh Jun 13 22:31:35 ~mx500 Jun 13 22:31:45 logitech Jun 13 22:32:18 with the awesome freewheelingwheel Jun 13 22:32:53 on my server you find a marginally patched lnux controll sw Jun 13 22:33:05 oh, I got one at work. Jun 13 22:33:27 * DocScrutinizer51 too ;) Jun 13 22:33:34 it scrolls like a redneck on the banjo cart. Jun 13 22:33:45 couldn't work without Jun 13 22:34:17 we could be mouse buddies. Jun 13 22:34:32 :) Jun 13 22:35:43 I still can't believe they canned the MX Revolution. Jun 13 22:35:47 Damn Logitech. Jun 13 22:36:29 is it possible to use n900 as a modem AND read eMMC. Jun 13 22:36:47 gt MX550(?) kbd/mouse combo - same thing, just BT now Jun 13 22:36:47 Also their is a MASSIVE bug in backupmenu. Jun 13 22:37:12 WUT? Jun 13 22:37:24 it says 'hold slider to cancel, this can and will make your device unbootable'. Jun 13 22:37:32 gEt* Jun 13 22:37:42 this is an illogical statement. Jun 13 22:37:51 errr Jun 13 22:37:54 lol Jun 13 22:38:15 it is like 'x OR 1 == 1' Jun 13 22:38:37 OR'ing x with 1 is redundant. Jun 13 22:38:45 lolol Jun 13 22:39:07 on restore? Jun 13 22:39:35 yes Jun 13 22:40:24 ~rape robbithe1st Jun 13 22:40:25 * infobot takes robbithe1st behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 13 22:41:00 ~seen povbot_ Jun 13 22:41:10 povbot_ <~supybot@office.pov.lt> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 14h 10m 30s ago, saying: 'Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9943 MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses'. Jun 13 22:41:15 ~rape me Jun 13 22:41:16 * infobot takes vi__ behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 13 22:41:23 oh god. Jun 13 22:41:37 damn this sucker is smart Jun 13 22:41:41 ~rape you Jun 13 22:41:43 * infobot takes you behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 13 22:41:52 heh, not so smart. Jun 13 22:41:53 not THAT smart Jun 13 22:42:13 ~master Jun 13 22:42:13 Mr. Bates isn't here right now. Jun 13 22:42:17 ~rape infobot Jun 13 22:42:17 * infobot takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 13 22:42:24 uh huh Jun 13 22:42:47 quit looo9oolingtons Jun 13 22:42:59 wtf? Jun 13 22:44:15 ~selfdestruct Jun 13 22:44:15 * infobot has quit (Overflow error) Jun 13 22:44:22 ~cookie Jun 13 22:44:24 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... weathercode san luis... SKIP located in Colombia 00-49N. Also see Ipiales Jun 13 22:44:39 err how did one feed her again? Jun 13 22:45:13 ~botsnack Jun 13 22:45:14 DocScrutinizer51: :) Jun 13 22:46:18 ~striptease Jun 13 22:46:20 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Jun 13 22:46:54 ~debian chem|st Jun 13 22:46:55 * infobot tells chem|st to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jun 13 22:47:25 and just for the fun: Jun 13 22:47:34 ~t-mo Jun 13 22:47:35 well, t-mo is T-Mobile Jun 13 22:48:03 ~scrutinizing Jun 13 22:48:03 methinks scrutinizing is what DocScrutinizer does after eating some datasheets for breakfast Jun 13 22:48:07 ;) Jun 13 22:51:26 ~listvalues scrutinize Jun 13 22:51:28 Factoid search of 'scrutinize' by value (8): scrutinizing ;; joerg #DEL# ;; annihilation ;; docscrutinizer's pager ;; debubo ;; joerg ;; docsnack ;; docscrutinizer51. Jun 13 22:55:55 GeneralAntilles: MX5500 Jun 13 22:56:38 http://www.google.de/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=i686&q=logitech+MX5500&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=9718388756314258055 Jun 13 22:57:13 is what I got me for work Jun 13 22:57:19 err office Jun 13 22:57:30 just for the mouse Jun 13 22:57:40 the kbd is... ~~~~~~~ Jun 13 22:57:51 Buckling spring FTW Jun 13 22:59:17 anyway the mouse is identical by formfactor and operation to MX Revolution Jun 13 22:59:45 I've only go 1 more MX Revolution left Jun 13 22:59:49 just they use Bluetooth now and you coukd even pair the mouse with a standard BT transceiver Jun 13 22:59:51 They're so expensive on ebay these days. Jun 13 23:00:26 seems they don't sell this very mosue without kbd bundled Jun 13 23:00:55 Yeah, the MX Revolution got discontinued Jun 13 23:01:00 For that piece of shit Performance MX Jun 13 23:01:01 yep Jun 13 23:01:34 but that mouse that comes with MX5500 is *exactly* MX Revo Jun 13 23:02:35 only diff where you can tell: the red button to pair, at the bottom Jun 13 23:04:06 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/ Jun 13 23:05:02 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/revoLUTIONconTROL/bonoboware.txt -- priceless Jun 13 23:05:57 actually http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/535-Fun-with-copyright.html Jun 13 23:13:43 GeneralAntilles: vi_: anyway you probably wanna dl http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/revoLUTIONconTROL/revoco to your linux machine Jun 13 23:13:58 chmod +x Jun 13 23:14:00 profit Jun 13 23:37:15 haven't git been packaged for Maemo? Jun 13 23:39:30 it sucks ass Jun 13 23:40:52 merlin1991: is it about my question or some previous?) Jun 13 23:41:17 it's about the maemo git package Jun 13 23:41:33 what are the problems? Jun 13 23:41:41 last time I tried it quite a big amount was missing and it didn't work properly Jun 13 23:41:55 failed at a clone :D Jun 13 23:41:59 ) Jun 13 23:42:11 but I don't even see it in the repo Jun 13 23:43:56 apt-get install git doesnt work? Jun 13 23:44:27 http://maemo.org/packages/view/git/ Jun 13 23:44:31 http://maemo.org/packages/view/git-core/ Jun 13 23:48:24 oh, I've forgotten that I have -devel only in FApMan Jun 14 00:00:40 *yawn* Jun 14 00:00:58 ham and apt is more than sufficient Jun 14 00:01:44 plus an occasional wget + dpkg Jun 14 00:10:09 also that bastard fapman does those evil apt calls Jun 14 00:10:16 you know, apt-get autoremove and friends Jun 14 00:13:25 what about python-json? I'm trying to launch the latest gpodder Jun 14 00:15:26 dockane: does HAM have sorting by date and easy access to the changelog? I haven't used it for a year or so because of its' slowness **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 14 02:59:58 2012