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Jun 15 09:14:03 <lupen70> hallo
Jun 15 09:14:55 <chem|st> ollah
Jun 15 09:15:19 <lupen70> Welcome to #maemo
Jun 15 09:18:39 <chem|st> o.O
Jun 15 09:34:28 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Jun 15 15:48:43 <esaym153> anyone know how to fix this error: http://pastie.org/4093020
Jun 15 15:49:20 <esaym153> It is a compiler error (if you are too lazy to click)
Jun 15 15:55:20 <freemangordon> esaym153: seems your SB is broken, most probably qemu is missing
Jun 15 15:55:53 <esaym153> freemangordon: just did a full reinstall of sb + the full maemo sdk
Jun 15 15:56:07 <esaym153> might be a kernel issue, I am looking into it now
Jun 15 15:56:15 <freemangordon> could be
Jun 15 15:57:36 <esaym153> freemangordon: It was this issue: http://inz.fi/blog/2008/01/17/scratchbox-on-hardy/
Jun 15 15:57:50 <esaym153> but now I have another problem, but it is lunch :)  bll
Jun 15 17:03:42 <esaym153> hmm, how do I get libsdl-ttf2.0 installed in scratchbox? I can't figure out which repo it is in....
Jun 15 17:35:11 <esaym153> n/m, I misspelled the repo name...
Jun 15 19:10:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: ping
Jun 15 19:24:55 <khertan> Does qt components is working on fremantle ? i was unable to made a simple qml harmattan apps working on fremantle
Jun 15 19:25:16 <khertan> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1222455&postcount=4
Jun 15 19:26:20 <freemangordon> khertan: AFAIK namespaces are different in fremantle, could be wrong as I am not much into QML
Jun 15 19:27:00 <freemangordon> Also so you target CSSU? As it has Qt 4.7.4 vs 4.7.0 in PR 1.3
Jun 15 19:27:06 <freemangordon> *do
Jun 15 19:27:57 <DocScrutinizer05> differing namespaces are really nice, regarding Qt and derivatives are meant to b ecross-paltform
Jun 15 19:28:35 <freemangordon> hmm, it seems it cannot find "mmegotouch" theme
Jun 15 19:29:00 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, although we can fix that in CSSU
Jun 15 19:29:00 * DocScrutinizer05 is missing own comment as of 10h ago
Jun 15 19:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> actually a whole freakin lot of posts
Jun 15 19:31:33 <DocScrutinizer05> incredible
Jun 15 19:31:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~o
Jun 15 19:31:37 <infobot> o is probably OH!, or ~o means 'over' in context of write(1)
Jun 15 19:31:56 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody seen me teaching infobot about o today?
Jun 15 19:33:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I already thought I'm delusional, unless I'd see infobot having learnt about oo and ~o
Jun 15 19:33:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo o
Jun 15 19:33:32 <infobot> error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
Jun 15 19:33:32 <infobot> o -- created by troy <troy@stnbas02-p81.mts.net> at Sun Dec 31 18:31:20 2000 (4184 days); last modified 8h 27m 44s ago  by DocScrutinizer51!~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 19 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 56s ago.
Jun 15 19:39:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~football
Jun 15 19:39:23 <infobot> i guess football is played with a ball shaped like an ellipsoid, or rarely touched by the foot which makes the name confusing
Jun 15 19:39:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~socker
Jun 15 19:39:39 <infobot> Turns any stdin/stdout based program into a TCP server process. URL: http://www-ug.eecg.toronto.edu/~doylep/socker/
Jun 15 19:39:48 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jun 15 19:44:40 <MohammadAG> is this correct? return (settings.contains(TWITTER_SESSION_TOKEN) && settings.contains(TWITTER_SESSION_SECRET));
Jun 15 19:44:44 <MohammadAG> grammatically
Jun 15 19:46:25 <DocScrutinizer05> depends
Jun 15 19:46:47 <DocScrutinizer05> return should return what the function is defined to return
Jun 15 19:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> if settings.contains is supposed to return same type as your function, then it should be correct
Jun 15 19:48:26 <Sicelo> ~soccer
Jun 15 19:48:27 <infobot> soccer is probably - see football. short for Association Football (assoc -> soccer), or the Greatest Game in the World!
Jun 15 19:48:59 <DocScrutinizer05> char foo() {... return int32} won't usually fly
Jun 15 19:49:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: I stand corrected
Jun 15 19:49:57 <DocScrutinizer05> though ~football obviously != ~soccer
Jun 15 19:51:14 <DocScrutinizer05> since4 soccer is plaqyer with a ball almost the shape of a perfect sphere, and played exclusively by kicking it with the feet
Jun 15 19:51:24 <DocScrutinizer05> played*
Jun 15 19:53:37 <freemangordon> MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer05: the above return statement results in bool
Jun 15 19:54:01 <freemangordon> and then it depends what is the function return type
Jun 15 19:54:08 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, which is true if both are true and false if both are false right?
Jun 15 19:54:24 <freemangordon> no, it is false if only one is false
Jun 15 19:54:31 <freemangordon> that is AND
Jun 15 19:54:33 <MohammadAG> sorry, that
Jun 15 19:54:39 <MohammadAG> yeah, my mistake
Jun 15 19:54:43 <MohammadAG> that's what I wanted anyway
Jun 15 19:55:23 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: did you check your SB DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS?
Jun 15 19:55:48 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, not yet, I'll check it now
Jun 15 19:55:56 <MohammadAG> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater/social-status-updater-config] > cat $(find *cpp *h) | wc -l
Jun 15 19:55:56 <MohammadAG> 1846
Jun 15 19:55:57 <MohammadAG> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater/social-status-updater-config] > cd ..
Jun 15 19:55:57 <MohammadAG> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater] > cd system-ui-social-status-updater/
Jun 15 19:55:58 <MohammadAG> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater/system-ui-social-status-updater] > cat $(find *cpp *h) | wc -l
Jun 15 19:56:01 <MohammadAG> 863
Jun 15 19:56:03 <MohammadAG> I swear it shouldn't be that hard :/
Jun 15 19:56:46 <MohammadAG> err
Jun 15 19:56:49 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, 
Jun 15 19:56:54 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > echo $DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
Jun 15 19:56:54 <MohammadAG> maemo-launcher,thumb,vfp
Jun 15 19:56:56 <MohammadAG> what sets those?
Jun 15 19:57:01 <freemangordon> see
Jun 15 19:57:28 <freemangordon> it is set from exactly the same place as before :p. gimme a minute
Jun 15 19:57:38 <MohammadAG> not .bashrc nor .profile :P
Jun 15 19:58:34 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: "/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.environment"
Jun 15 19:59:40 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, fixed, but what sets it in the first place?
Jun 15 19:59:49 <freemangordon> SB installation
Jun 15 20:00:03 <freemangordon> maybe, I have NFC
Jun 15 20:00:40 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: it is good that your SB is fixed, but what is distributed with the latest -testing is thumb-compiled
Jun 15 20:00:56 <MohammadAG> all of it?
Jun 15 20:01:07 <freemangordon> at least a part of it
Jun 15 20:01:25 <freemangordon> osso-gnomevfs for sure, didn;t check the others
Jun 15 20:02:41 <freemangordon> I cought that because when updating to my thumb version, instead of apt-get saying "some 40kB will be freed" it said "anly 8kB will be freed"
Jun 15 20:03:47 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: anyway, I think a fix should be provided ASAP, along with missing alarmd. I don't want more modest affairs
Jun 15 20:04:03 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, will get right on it
Jun 15 20:04:10 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, I added alarmd, pretty sure of it
Jun 15 20:04:19 <MohammadAG> libalarm2 and alarmd
Jun 15 20:04:44 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: hmm, let me check
Jun 15 20:04:52 <freemangordon> on gitorious
Jun 15 20:05:12 <zeq> is that why I couldn't stop my alarm this morning?
Jun 15 20:05:53 * zeq is using freemangordon's thumb CSSU
Jun 15 20:05:58 <MohammadAG> no :P
Jun 15 20:06:05 <freemangordon> zeq: exactly, we made an unstopable alarm. It will wake you up even if you're dead while sleeping
Jun 15 20:06:20 <freemangordon> zeq: alarmd is not in thumb repo
Jun 15 20:06:47 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater$   git push -u origin master
Jun 15 20:06:47 <MohammadAG> Username for 'https://github.com': MohammadAG
Jun 15 20:06:47 <MohammadAG> Password for 'https://MohammadAG@github.com': 
Jun 15 20:06:51 <MohammadAG> since when does that happen?
Jun 15 20:07:33 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: do you push updates to CSSU on IRC channels too? That might explain missing alarmd
Jun 15 20:07:43 <freemangordon> :P
Jun 15 20:08:18 <MohammadAG> I could've forgot this once :P
Jun 15 20:08:37 <freemangordon> zeq: while we are on it: any troubles with thumb-compiled stuff, something unusual
Jun 15 20:09:07 <freemangordon> (axcluding the pile of free RAM :P )
Jun 15 20:09:38 <khertan> freemangordon: diffenrent namespace, yep, but the pb is the component himself, not my apps
Jun 15 20:09:42 <zeq> had a strange gfx freeze (compositor?) can't see how it's related...?
Jun 15 20:10:07 <freemangordon> zeq: some SGX messages in dmesg?
Jun 15 20:10:27 <zeq> should have remote logged in and checked
Jun 15 20:10:37 <zeq> if it does it again I will
Jun 15 20:10:41 <freemangordon> as there is an old bug in kernel SGX driver not initializing correctly on reboot
Jun 15 20:10:53 <freemangordon> a power cycle fixes it
Jun 15 20:10:58 <zeq> system was still running
Jun 15 20:11:52 <freemangordon> zeq: I missed your point, does it freeze completely, or you had just a temporary freeze
Jun 15 20:11:57 <zeq> otherwise it seems okay
Jun 15 20:12:11 <zeq> gfx froze completely
Jun 15 20:12:17 <freemangordon> how did you solve it
Jun 15 20:12:22 <freemangordon> power down?
Jun 15 20:12:29 <zeq> power cycled
Jun 15 20:12:30 <MohammadAG> o hai malf
Jun 15 20:12:48 <zeq> screen touches still worked
Jun 15 20:12:52 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, it was never fixed was it?
Jun 15 20:13:01 <freemangordon> zeq: yeah, that is how SGX bug is cured, no problems after power cycle
Jun 15 20:13:03 <zeq> but the image was stuck on the apps menu
Jun 15 20:13:06 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: never
Jun 15 20:14:25 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: you may want to look at qt-mobility thumb-testing branch, build rules were a total mess in master
Jun 15 20:14:42 <zeq> would be nice to have thumb built fennec from Harmattan... might set up the SDK
Jun 15 20:15:37 <freemangordon> zeq: you may want to download SB ready compiler from merlin1991's server
Jun 15 20:16:00 <zeq> link?
Jun 15 20:16:02 <freemangordon> just need to setup a new SB target using that compiler
Jun 15 20:16:06 <freemangordon> hold on
Jun 15 20:17:08 <freemangordon> zeq:http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/
Jun 15 20:17:40 <freemangordon> extract that in /scratchbox/compilers and setup a new target
Jun 15 20:18:03 <zeq> ok
Jun 15 20:18:16 <freemangordon> and I will appreciate if you write the steps on wili after you are finished :P
Jun 15 20:18:26 <freemangordon> *wiki
Jun 15 20:19:25 <zeq> I'll get onto it once the football's finished... :S
Jun 15 20:19:42 <freemangordon> zeq: BTW you MUST enable -thumb repo in SB too and upgrade, thumb-compiled Qt has a different mkspecs
Jun 15 20:19:50 <freemangordon> zeq: aah, no hurry
Jun 15 20:28:22 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer; pong
Jun 15 20:55:54 <jpinx> I've plugged my n900 into the usb on my linux laptop and it automatically mounts the filesystem, but apparently not at root. How do I get it to mount the  n900 / so I can see the phonebooks etc ?
Jun 15 20:56:14 <saltsa> you can't
Jun 15 20:56:35 <saltsa> in linux it's not possible to mount the same fs in two different computers
Jun 15 20:56:50 <saltsa> maybe you want something like rsync or setup sshfs
Jun 15 20:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> use sftp!
Jun 15 20:57:17 <jpinx> ok - sshfs to where?
Jun 15 20:57:18 <DocScrutinizer05> pair the device to your home WLAN
Jun 15 20:57:30 <DocScrutinizer05> install SSHD
Jun 15 20:57:30 <jpinx> I have umounted the n900 now and it is plugged in,,,
Jun 15 20:57:33 <ShadowJK> the phonebook is in some sqlite database somewhere... I forget where
Jun 15 20:58:27 <DocScrutinizer05> enter "sftp://192.168.0.45/" to your favourite filebrowser
Jun 15 20:58:51 <DocScrutinizer05> (replace IP in above URL by the one your N900 obtained from AP DHCP)
Jun 15 20:59:27 <zeq> Is there a gentoo ebuild for the maemo5 sdk?
Jun 15 20:59:54 <jpinx> I do fdisk -l but there appears to be no filesystem for the n900
Jun 15 21:00:00 <ShadowJK> what
Jun 15 21:00:14 <ShadowJK> jpinx, where did you execute fdisk -l?
Jun 15 21:00:31 <jpinx> ShadowJK: in the laptop
Jun 15 21:00:31 <DocScrutinizer05> actually sftp://root@192.168.1.41
Jun 15 21:00:51 <jpinx> ShadowJK: I am looking for the n900 as plugged in
Jun 15 21:01:10 <ShadowJK> jpinx, in mass storage mode, N900 exports two devices, the MyDocs partition, and the microsd first partition (I think), so you don't see a partition table
Jun 15 21:01:12 <_rd> Is proxytunnel/tsocks on the n900 available, in case I am in a restricted hotel/public/foreign wireless network?
Jun 15 21:02:22 <jpinx> ShadowJK: bugger :(
Jun 15 21:03:18 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: sftp not recognised by my browser :(
Jun 15 21:03:25 <ShadowJK> The data that's exported over mass storage becomes inaccessible on the N900 itself, so it can't do it for critical data
Jun 15 21:03:53 <ShadowJK> _rd, I see tsocks
Jun 15 21:04:02 <jpinx> ShadowJK: I only want read access...
Jun 15 21:05:20 <DocScrutinizer05> jpinx: sftp root@192.168.1.41  - in xterm
Jun 15 21:05:35 <ShadowJK> needs openssh on n900
Jun 15 21:05:41 <DocScrutinizer05> sure thing
Jun 15 21:05:50 <DocScrutinizer05> [15.06.2012 22:57:28] <DocScrutinizer05> install SSHD
Jun 15 21:06:12 <ShadowJK> filezilla should do sftp if you want point and click
Jun 15 21:06:34 <jpinx> 192.168.1.41 port 22: No route to host  :(
Jun 15 21:07:02 <ShadowJK> is it connected to wifi?
Jun 15 21:07:23 <jpinx> ShadowJK: the mobile is not online
Jun 15 21:07:31 <jpinx> connected to laptop by usb
Jun 15 21:07:41 <ShadowJK> Well it's easier if you put them both on wifi
Jun 15 21:07:53 <ShadowJK> than setting up usb networking
Jun 15 21:08:26 <jpinx> I had usb networking years ago on this n900 - but I've totally ofgotten how it was set up
Jun 15 21:08:32 <DocScrutinizer05> [15.06.2012 22:57:17] <DocScrutinizer05> pair the device to your home WLAN
Jun 15 21:08:36 <jpinx> *forgotten
Jun 15 21:08:39 <DocScrutinizer05> [15.06.2012 22:58:50] <DocScrutinizer05> (replace IP in above URL by the one your N900 obtained from AP DHCP)
Jun 15 21:08:59 <jpinx> no wifi here - it's connected by usb
Jun 15 21:09:43 <ShadowJK> Or then if you don't have usb networking, first on N900 (with N900 disconnected from usb) make a copy of hte files you want into /home/user/MyDocs, and then connect N900 to usb
Jun 15 21:09:47 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: 22:55 < jpinx> I've plugged my n900 into the usb on my linux laptop and it automatically mounts the filesystem, but  apparently not at root. How do I get it to mount the  n900 / so I can see the phonebooks etc ?
Jun 15 21:09:49 <DocScrutinizer05> well, then you should have a IP associated with USB on PC, and a route to the IP of N900 (usually +1)
Jun 15 21:10:36 <ShadowJK> Well basically you can't make it mount root over USB. root isn't even a block device, so it can't even be exported over usb
Jun 15 21:11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I think this is like the third time we explained that now
Jun 15 21:13:20 <jpinx> ifconfig is not showing me a usb connection, but there is something called pan0 --  is that it?
Jun 15 21:14:00 <ShadowJK> no that's bluetooth
Jun 15 21:14:08 <jpinx> :(
Jun 15 21:16:25 <jpinx> ShadowJK: reference your idea to copy and transfer - that was what I did first out, but where s the phone book in the filesystem?
Jun 15 21:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> jpinx: for USB networking you need to select PC-suite mode
Jun 15 21:16:48 <DocScrutinizer05> on N900
Jun 15 21:16:57 <jpinx> ....  in the filesystem as shown by the filemanager
Jun 15 21:17:21 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: ok - let me try that
Jun 15 21:18:12 <DocScrutinizer05> lsmod|grep cdc
Jun 15 21:18:20 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: cool . now I got usb0 and usbpn0 
Jun 15 21:18:21 <DocScrutinizer05> -> cdc_ether
Jun 15 21:18:49 <jpinx> but no IP associated 
Jun 15 21:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh
Jun 15 21:20:36 <DocScrutinizer05> just adapt the IP addr and NIc name
Jun 15 21:21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> make sure you don't use same subnet as your standard network on PC
Jun 15 21:21:58 <jpinx> where do I get the IP's ?
Jun 15 21:22:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I.E when your PC has IP 192.168.0.55, you should use 192.168.1.xx for N900 and USB
Jun 15 21:22:20 <jpinx> ifconfig lists the usb0 and usbpn0 but withour IPS
Jun 15 21:22:21 <ShadowJK> /home/user/.osso-abook but don't ask me how to read the files in that directory, I have no clue :P
Jun 15 21:23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> jpinx: /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.14 netmask 255.255.255.0
Jun 15 21:23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> jpinx: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.15/32 dev usb0
Jun 15 21:24:16 <DocScrutinizer05> but, as mentioned before, don't use these addr when your PC has same range IP addr
Jun 15 21:24:21 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: how do I know that is the right IP?
Jun 15 21:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05> It basicaly doesn't matter which IP you use, afaik
Jun 15 21:24:53 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: ifconfig usb0 shows me no IP
Jun 15 21:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> you should however check on N900 xterm what ifconfig says there
Jun 15 21:26:07 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05:  on the n900 ifconfig usb0 gives me inet addr: 192.168.2.15
Jun 15 21:26:21 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah so it's .2.
Jun 15 21:26:35 <jpinx> mask 255.255.255.0
Jun 15 21:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> jpinx: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.2.15/32 dev usb0
Jun 15 21:26:51 <DocScrutinizer05> on PC
Jun 15 21:27:04 <DocScrutinizer05> after /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0
Jun 15 21:27:59 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: on laptop route add -host 192.168.2.15/32 dev usb0 gives me network is down
Jun 15 21:28:06 <DocScrutinizer05> but again, check that your standard gateway on PC (eth0?) does NOT use 192.168.2.x
Jun 15 21:28:57 <jpinx> eth0 not showing a IP - not connected
Jun 15 21:29:22 <DocScrutinizer05> btw you *need* to quit networkmanager on PC
Jun 15 21:29:41 <DocScrutinizer05> it will interfere with manual NIC config
Jun 15 21:29:56 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: I use wicd
Jun 15 21:30:11 <DocScrutinizer05> (or at least I found no way to make it play nice with USB networking)
Jun 15 21:30:32 <ShadowJK> it mostly just touches it on start for me, and then when I manually cahnge stuff via commandline it doesn't notice and does nothing
Jun 15 21:31:40 <jpinx> wicd doesnt seem to be doing anything with non-wifi connections unless there is no signal
Jun 15 21:36:23 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: got ssh to root in n900 - what's the root password? ;)
Jun 15 21:36:47 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever you typed when sshd installation asked you
Jun 15 21:36:47 <Atarii> there isn't one
Jun 15 21:37:11 <DocScrutinizer05> there is when you installed sshd via HAM
Jun 15 21:37:27 <DocScrutinizer05> when you installed via apt-get, you're out of luck
Jun 15 21:37:41 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: ok- maybe I did that 3 years ago - how do I hack the password ;)
Jun 15 21:37:53 <DocScrutinizer05> but then, you should have root access via "root" cmd anyway, otherwise you couldn't use apt-get
Jun 15 21:38:03 <Atarii> can't you ssh in as normal user
Jun 15 21:38:05 <DocScrutinizer05> HACK the password????
Jun 15 21:38:05 <Atarii> then sudo gainroot
Jun 15 21:38:12 <Atarii> then change /etc/passwd?
Jun 15 21:38:19 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: I have "root" installed on the n900
Jun 15 21:38:19 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq
Jun 15 21:38:26 <DocScrutinizer05> root
Jun 15 21:38:28 <DocScrutinizer05> passwd
Jun 15 21:38:35 <DocScrutinizer05> mypassword
Jun 15 21:38:39 <DocScrutinizer05> mypassword
Jun 15 21:38:43 <DocScrutinizer05> *profit*
Jun 15 21:38:46 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: of course - silly me :)
Jun 15 21:40:44 <jpinx> DocScrutinizer05: I'm in - thanks for the kick up my arse ;)
Jun 15 21:40:51 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Jun 15 21:40:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Jun 15 21:42:32 * jpinx will be back in a few weeks to sort out the internet connection of the netbook using the n900's mobile network
Jun 15 21:48:56 <jpinx> ShadowJK: found the addressbook  - and lots of other goodies - thanks :)
Jun 15 21:50:38 <DocScrutinizer05> KNOW WHAT? konqueror has "ads filter" built in ;-P
Jun 15 21:51:08 <DocScrutinizer05> 40s dannoyelay solved 
Jun 15 21:51:52 <ShadowJK> lol
Jun 15 21:52:18 <ShadowJK> The most annoying part about ads is how they prevent rest of page rendering before ads load, and the ad server are always fucking slow
Jun 15 21:53:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, in fact the 40 s delay here vanished when DEactivating the fubar filter
Jun 15 21:58:27 <v1_RAG3> konqueror is well underated.
Jun 15 21:58:44 <v1_RAG3> at least from the kde 3.5 days
Jun 15 22:08:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 15 22:10:12 <Ken-Young> There are certain programs that Maemo launches on my N900 at boot time which I don't use, such as modest.   To save resources, I have renamed the executable files for those programs, which certainly keeps the OS from starting them.   But I worry that this technique is inelegant and might lead to the OS repeatedly trying to launch the app.   Is there a better way to disable prelaunched Maemo 5 components that I care nothing about?
Jun 15 22:10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> nowadays everything has to be pastel shade and gray in gray (KDE fsckng theme), and as stupid as the manufs/devels are and think the users are too: see dolphin instead of konqueror now in KDE4
Jun 15 22:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jun 15 22:11:11 <DocScrutinizer05> find where they get started, comment out that
Jun 15 22:11:45 <Sc0rpius> well you didn't need to rename the programs
Jun 15 22:11:51 <Ken-Young> Yeah, I looked, but was not clever enough to figure out what launched them.
Jun 15 22:11:51 <Sc0rpius> you could have deleted/moved/removed the .desktop files
Jun 15 22:12:08 <Ken-Young> Sc0rpius, Is that any better?
Jun 15 22:13:00 <Ken-Young> I agree the GOod Doctor's suggestion is the right thing to do.   I just haven't figured out how to do it.
Jun 15 22:13:00 <Sc0rpius> just remove/rename the .desktop file of the app that bothers you in  /usr/share/applications/hildon
Jun 15 22:13:03 <Sc0rpius> and reboot the phone.
Jun 15 22:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> not remove desktop files, just comment out the line about x-maemo-preload
Jun 15 22:13:27 <Ken-Young> Sc0rpius, Why is that preferable to renaming the executable?
Jun 15 22:13:36 <Sc0rpius> because you could still use the executable after that
Jun 15 22:13:41 <Sc0rpius> for a one time only 
Jun 15 22:13:54 <Sc0rpius> also
Jun 15 22:14:06 <Sc0rpius> hildon is still trying to start those executables
Jun 15 22:14:10 <Sc0rpius> something like every 10 seconds
Jun 15 22:14:16 <Ken-Young> Sc0rpius, I thought the desktop file was needed to be able to launch the app without using the command line.
Jun 15 22:14:19 <Sc0rpius> so your phone is retrying every 10 seconds and fails every 10 seconds trying to run modest
Jun 15 22:14:28 <Sc0rpius> aren't you concerned about that
Jun 15 22:14:39 <Ken-Young> Sc0rpius, OK, that's what I was worried might be happening.
Jun 15 22:15:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Ken-Young: there are .desktop that come without any icon, and are there just for preloading stuff
Jun 15 22:15:11 <Sc0rpius> the .desktop files are complex files.  For an automatic start/restart/keep always running you'll see lines like:
Jun 15 22:15:21 <Sc0rpius> X-Maemo-Prestarted=always
Jun 15 22:15:21 <Sc0rpius> X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000
Jun 15 22:15:32 <DocScrutinizer05> comment those out
Jun 15 22:15:42 <Sc0rpius> yeah you can comment those
Jun 15 22:15:45 <Ken-Young> Great.  Thanks Doc & Sc0rpius !
Jun 15 22:15:50 <Sc0rpius> without renaming the .desktop.  Don't forget to reboot
Jun 15 22:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or change always -> never
Jun 15 22:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> YW
Jun 15 22:16:47 <v1_RAG3> step 1. Don't rename the executables.  Never go full retard.
Jun 15 22:17:04 <Ken-Young> Full retard is my default.
Jun 15 22:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> btw it won't help much anyway ;-P
Jun 15 22:17:19 <v1_RAG3> step 2. Comment out the prestart lines form the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/
Jun 15 22:17:30 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you change .desktop to .fubar
Jun 15 22:17:53 <Ken-Young> I also accept multiple --retard arguments on my command line, for extra stupid behaviour.
Jun 15 22:17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> the *name* of a .desktop is basically random
Jun 15 22:18:13 <v1_RAG3> step 3. Start investigating the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.post, Xsession.d and /etc/event.d to stop startup programs.
Jun 15 22:18:31 <DocScrutinizer05> not much in there
Jun 15 22:19:02 <v1_RAG3> DocScrutinizer05: there is some and we do not know exactly what the young man is trying to prohibit starting.
Jun 15 22:19:44 <v1_RAG3> To make modest F-OFF switch off mail checking when connected thing.
Jun 15 22:21:26 <DocScrutinizer05> well, not even starting modest seems a reasonable approach
Jun 15 22:21:33 <DocScrutinizer05> grep -R X-Maemo-Prestar /usr/share/applications/ ;-D
Jun 15 22:21:57 <v1_RAG3> DocScrutinizer05: Get in!
Jun 15 22:22:16 <Ken-Young> I was completely unaware that the desktop files contained that information.
Jun 15 22:22:31 <v1_RAG3> Ken-Young: few people are.
Jun 15 22:22:36 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=always
Jun 15 22:22:38 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000
Jun 15 22:23:12 <DocScrutinizer05> X-P  
Jun 15 22:23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage
Jun 15 22:23:17 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=500
Jun 15 22:23:52 <DocScrutinizer05> worked quite nice with X-Maemo-Prestarted=always; alas it got relaunched whenever I decided to quit xchat
Jun 15 22:24:51 <DocScrutinizer05> since Hildon Desktop not only starts these, but also monitors them and restarts whenever any of them quites
Jun 15 22:25:20 <MohammadAG> Why reboot?
Jun 15 22:25:56 * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at /usr/share/applications/hildon/nokia-maps.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=none  /usr/share/applications/hildon/worldclock.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=never
Jun 15 22:27:37 <DocScrutinizer05> MohammadAG: becuase it's fun ;-)
Jun 15 22:42:47 <Sc0rpius> restarting hildon-desktop always leaves a mess
Jun 15 22:42:51 <Sc0rpius> I prefer reboot.
Jun 15 22:43:10 <Sc0rpius> I think it's hildon-home what you have to restart in this case, not sure
Jun 15 22:45:05 <DocScrutinizer05> it's questionable if this will tear down preloaded processes
Jun 15 22:56:39 <Guest28766> Has anybody an idea why I get:
Jun 15 22:56:47 <Guest28766> dpkg: regarding .../gcc-4.6-base_4.6.1-maemo6_armel.deb containing gcc-4.6-base:
Jun 15 22:56:48 <Guest28766>  package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg
Jun 15 22:56:57 <Guest28766> (I am trying to upgrade a scratchbox to CSSU)
Jun 15 22:59:18 <Sc0rpius> are you installing armel packages in scratchbox?????
Jun 15 23:07:12 <Woody14619> Yay.. Friday.  See you all Monday!  Have a great weekend!
Jun 15 23:17:54 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, if somebody interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking
Jun 15 23:19:23 <Ken-Young> Gotta bookmark that!
Jun 15 23:23:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: sorry I abused your device for that ;-D
Jun 15 23:23:21 <ShadowJK> lol
Jun 15 23:23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: but now USB also tested ;-)
Jun 15 23:29:23 <DocScrutinizer05> btw anybody enlighten me please WTF: wap11.kicker.de *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 usb0
Jun 15 23:32:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal usb-networking
Jun 15 23:32:20 <infobot> "usb-networking" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking"
Jun 15 23:32:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~usb-networking is also  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking
Jun 15 23:33:00 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Jun 15 23:34:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: rootme ;-D
Jun 15 23:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: though I guess reflashing will be first thing you do anyway
Jun 15 23:42:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: could you use a BL-4U?
Jun 15 23:48:39 <ShadowJK> doubt it
Jun 15 23:48:40 <ShadowJK> let me check
Jun 15 23:49:49 <ShadowJK> oh, seems my E75 uses that maybe
Jun 15 23:49:59 <DocScrutinizer05> fine
Jun 15 23:50:04 <ShadowJK> though my E75 is constantly connected to USB these days, as a modem
Jun 15 23:50:17 * DocScrutinizer05 stops unpacking
Jun 15 23:51:32 <DocScrutinizer05> am I mistaken or is 192.168.x.x all private range?
Jun 15 23:52:02 <Ken-Young> DocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure that's right.
Jun 15 23:52:13 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.robtex.com/dns/wap1.kicker.de.html :-o
Jun 16 00:00:20 <Hurrian> alphachat.net
Jun 16 00:00:30 <Hurrian> crap, wrong window
Jun 16 00:51:13 <sr71> 192.168.0.0/16, 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12 are all private rfc1918 space
Jun 16 01:22:53 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, selop isn't registered. :P
Jun 16 01:23:09 * GeneralAntilles recalls the Stephan Elop badge from MeeGoSF
Jun 16 02:10:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: I disassembled my new device. Seems it's actually no repair or refurbish
Jun 16 02:13:15 <ShadowJK> demo devices?
Jun 16 02:14:41 * GeneralAntilles facepalms at the council meeting logs.
Jun 16 02:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> linky?
Jun 16 02:21:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: possible. Exposure devices or sth
Jun 16 02:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-15.log.html#t2012-06-15T21:31:00
Jun 16 02:21:37 <DocScrutinizer05> from some display
Jun 16 02:30:31 * DocScrutinizer05 prefers headdesking
Jun 16 02:30:42 <GeneralAntilles> My head is hard.
Jun 16 02:30:46 <GeneralAntilles> Er
Jun 16 02:30:46 <GeneralAntilles> shit
Jun 16 02:30:49 <GeneralAntilles> My desk is hard.
Jun 16 02:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> emergency account, PFFFFF
Jun 16 02:31:54 <DocScrutinizer05> OMFG only 4 chanops around, we're screwed whenever something bad happens
Jun 16 02:32:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and we're screwed when Nokia pulls the plug on tmo
Jun 16 02:32:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and we're screwed when we don't find a way out of our maze
Jun 16 02:33:00 <GeneralAntilles> SOMEONE SET US UP THE BOMB
Jun 16 02:33:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Jun 16 02:33:18 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: :)
Jun 16 02:33:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ~nuke tmo
Jun 16 02:33:47 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tmo ... B☢☢M!
Jun 16 02:34:37 <DocScrutinizer05> hah, that codepage missing in recent fedora install
Jun 16 02:46:11 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: what makes council think IRC needs supervision by our ambassadors err kings arrr councils?
Jun 16 02:46:44 <DocScrutinizer05> what are chanops for when we need council account to deal with emergencies?
Jun 16 02:47:20 <DocScrutinizer05> what makes council think being council qualified for managing IRC?
Jun 16 02:47:49 <LaoLang_cool> hi, anyone using latest testing version of fmms
Jun 16 02:48:05 <LaoLang_cool> auto-rotation's performance is bad
Jun 16 02:48:30 <LaoLang_cool> take too much time to re-arrange the page of mms when rotating
Jun 16 02:49:10 <DocScrutinizer05> and who T F said council was meant to "take responsibility" and define rules and policies all over the place?
Jun 16 02:50:09 <DocScrutinizer05> IIRC council was meant to know what's going on in community, to speak "with one voice" to Nokia. And vice versa, explain to community what Nokia is doing
Jun 16 02:51:33 <DocScrutinizer05> the rules and policies all already exist, it just seems current council isn't happy with them
Jun 16 02:56:05 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: you got any statistics whatsoever about how much channel moderation/'operation' been needed during last year?
Jun 16 02:56:13 <GeneralAntilles> I don't
Jun 16 02:56:15 <GeneralAntilles> But it aint much.
Jun 16 02:56:21 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Jun 16 02:56:51 <DocScrutinizer05> we might search chanlogs for "chanserv gives +o"
Jun 16 02:58:02 <DocScrutinizer05> shared emergency account, homegrown made up policies about how to nominate chanops - I'm going to headdesk a bit more, just for the fun in it
Jun 16 02:59:45 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF do we need any council to "supervise" IRC when every user can ping any chanop and chan founder directly, as to be found on /msg chanserv access #maemo list ?
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