**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 02:59:58 2012
Jun 21 05:30:49 <DocScrutinizer05> NEVER do autoremove
Jun 21 06:11:33 <japh> NEVER trust anything auto*
Jun 21 08:24:04 <teotwaki> japh: so I'm guessing you never use automatic doors? Cars? Buses? Elevators, computers, phones, etc...
Jun 21 08:25:01 * japh crawls back to his comfortable corner, ashamed
Jun 21 08:32:18 <japh> vi_, do you want a n950?
Jun 21 08:40:22 <vi_> japh: yeah!
Jun 21 08:40:28 <japh> where do you live?
Jun 21 08:40:28 <vi_> Do you?
Jun 21 08:40:32 <japh> no
Jun 21 08:40:38 <vi_> ...Scotland.
Jun 21 08:40:54 <vi_> Wait, you just received it.
Jun 21 08:40:58 <japh> ok. it's yours if you think the shipping costs are worth it
Jun 21 08:40:58 <vi_> From Sweden.
Jun 21 08:41:03 <japh> yes
Jun 21 08:41:11 <vi_> You just got raped for import tax?
Jun 21 08:41:22 <japh> no. I live in sweden :)
Jun 21 08:41:30 <japh> but I'm really dissapointed
Jun 21 08:41:32 <vi_> And why you do not want it?
Jun 21 08:42:05 <vi_> So you are just giving it away?
Jun 21 08:42:14 <japh> the actual hardware seems great, and screen and casing is in perfect condition
Jun 21 08:42:35 <vi_> Pro-tip: You could probably sell it for around 6-700 euro if you can find the right sucker.
Jun 21 08:42:46 <japh> lol
Jun 21 08:42:58 <vi_> However if you REALLY want to mail it to me...
Jun 21 08:43:02 <vi_> Go right ahead!
Jun 21 08:43:50 <japh> I'm not giving away hardware like this for free, unless of course you happen to have written software that I can't live without
Jun 21 08:43:50 <vi_> chem|st: Guten morgen!
Jun 21 08:44:23 <japh> but if you think I could get that much, I'll check the interwebs
Jun 21 08:44:56 <vi_> japh: you options are either sell it on TMO or through ebay.
Jun 21 08:45:12 <vi_> If you want a buyer though the best place is TMO.
Jun 21 08:45:51 <vi_> Be warned, all the N950 came with NDAs and heavy penalties for anyone who sells them.  THey still technically belong to Nokia.
Jun 21 08:48:58 <vi_> japh: do you speak german?
Jun 21 08:49:14 <chem|st> vi_: guten morgen ;)
Jun 21 08:49:20 <japh> vi_, sorry what's TMO?
Jun 21 08:49:34 <japh> vi_, du bist ein kartoffelnpudding
Jun 21 08:49:39 <japh> 'not really'
Jun 21 08:50:12 <vi_> I have toffepudding?
Jun 21 08:50:15 <chem|st> japh: I'd take it and the promise to get in touch with columbus developer to port it ;)
Jun 21 08:50:22 <vi_> ^cheesecake?
Jun 21 08:50:47 <[DarkGUNMAN]> morning vi_
Jun 21 08:50:50 <vi_> yo
Jun 21 08:50:50 <chem|st> japh: I do not want to own it btw, you'd get it back as you wish
Jun 21 08:51:03 <japh> I don't know what columbus is
Jun 21 08:51:03 <vi_> chem|st: the game is up.  He knows it is worth at least 2000 euro now.
Jun 21 08:51:29 <chem|st> vi_: not yet
Jun 21 08:52:15 <vi_> chem|st: Is this a persons name or a company name?
Jun 21 08:52:19 <vi_> Beim-Müden-Bjoern
Jun 21 08:52:34 <japh> heh. yeah. I'll probably sell it then so I can buy more n900's. unless columbus is something totally kickass
Jun 21 08:52:42 <chem|st> japh: basically an offshore navigation in bare simple, the key about are the plugins, exporting gps to anything like wifi usb bt telnet...
Jun 21 08:52:49 <chem|st> vi_: company anme
Jun 21 08:52:51 <chem|st> name
Jun 21 08:52:58 <vi_> japh: it is, it provides blowjobs, etc.
Jun 21 08:53:04 <japh> :O
Jun 21 08:53:11 <japh> those would be useful
Jun 21 08:53:11 <vi_> chem|st: is it open source?
Jun 21 08:53:46 <chem|st> japh: I will get an N9 from CA and as soon as my GF buys a new one I will get it back from her and missing columbus is one of my showstoppers
Jun 21 08:53:56 <vi_> is this the postal/zip code?
Jun 21 08:53:58 <vi_> D-68535 
Jun 21 08:54:10 <chem|st> vi_: yes
Jun 21 08:54:14 <vi_> chem|st: ty
Jun 21 08:54:32 <chem|st> 68535 neckarhausen
Jun 21 08:55:01 <chem|st> vi_: both yes zipcode aswell
Jun 21 08:55:38 <japh> are people using their n9{,50}s with the default os..?
Jun 21 08:55:51 <chem|st> japh: the question is how come you have a n950 to sell when all devices are loaners
Jun 21 08:56:06 <japh> what should I answer now
Jun 21 08:56:17 <chem|st> japh: you don't care?!
Jun 21 08:56:30 <DocScrutinizer51> the CA are gifts
Jun 21 08:56:34 <DocScrutinizer51> afaik
Jun 21 08:56:44 <japh> well, chem|st... nokia doesn't care about us
Jun 21 08:56:49 <japh> why would I care about them
Jun 21 08:56:56 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: I did not find the answere on this but they are not out yet so current devices are not
Jun 21 08:57:15 <DocScrutinizer51> :nod:
Jun 21 08:57:19 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: moo btw ;)
Jun 21 08:57:26 <DocScrutinizer51> except the commercial ones
Jun 21 08:57:30 <DocScrutinizer51> moo
Jun 21 08:57:41 <chem|st> commercial ones ?
Jun 21 08:57:56 <DocScrutinizer51> launchpad company
Jun 21 08:58:34 <DocScrutinizer51> "you're not allowd to sell for six(6) months"
Jun 21 08:58:41 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: there is no info if they will be loaners or not and there is no info if the n9 is black-64GB or pink-16GB
Jun 21 08:58:51 <chem|st> ah ok
Jun 21 09:00:41 <DocScrutinizer51> there've been probably way more DDP lauchpad N950 than community devel loaners
Jun 21 09:01:48 <DocScrutinizer51> afk o/
Jun 21 09:04:15 <vi_> chem|st: my mother used to say 'those that ask no questions get told no lies.'.
Jun 21 09:08:06 <chem|st> vi_: true
Jun 21 09:09:57 <[DarkGUNMAN]> well... looks like i'll have to send my n900 away to get repaired. USB port is nearing its borking point
Jun 21 09:10:18 <vi_> [DarkGUNMAN]: if you send it away, you will not get it back
Jun 21 09:11:06 <[DarkGUNMAN]> sent a mail to sEKI to see if he can do it
Jun 21 09:11:45 <[DarkGUNMAN]> the housing was easy enough, but heating the data pins is beyond me
Jun 21 09:12:16 <[DarkGUNMAN]> way too small, and likely to melt the plastic inside if i rtry
Jun 21 09:15:15 <[DarkGUNMAN]> otherwise it's looking likely i need a new port fitted
Jun 21 09:36:52 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/06/21/sony_shows_moth_eye_filter_film_for_smartphones/
Jun 21 11:01:21 * zeq_laptop is going to be busy for a few hours, but will look into fixing the 90deg off rotation and keyboard issues on fennec14 later, when I have time.
Jun 21 11:02:47 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 21 11:03:15 <zeq_laptop> kind of spoilt the 3rd person effect there ;)
Jun 21 11:56:41 <Macer> wow
Jun 21 11:56:46 <Macer> on my n900 now
Jun 21 11:56:51 <Macer> been months heh
Jun 21 12:04:56 <Jade> lol
Jun 21 12:05:01 <Jade> i still use mine daily as phone
Jun 21 12:05:19 <Jade> but when it breaks it's android time
Jun 21 12:05:21 <Macer> my sim reader is messed up and i dont have tmob anymore anyways
Jun 21 12:05:28 <Macer> android sucks heh
Jun 21 12:05:34 <Jade> if only n950 hadb een released to the public
Jun 21 12:05:35 <Macer> wp7 is better
Jun 21 12:05:36 <Jade> yeah, i dont like it
Jun 21 12:05:38 <Jade> but what else is there to buy
Jun 21 12:05:45 <Jade> nothing lives up to maemo
Jun 21 12:05:52 <Macer> sure doesnt :(
Jun 21 12:05:57 <Macer> sigh
Jun 21 12:06:04 <Macer> im in xterm on my phone
Jun 21 12:06:10 <Macer> what can beat that?
Jun 21 12:06:20 <Macer> with xforwarding support
Jun 21 12:06:22 <Macer> :(
Jun 21 12:06:39 <Macer> it was a sad day when nokia scrapped maemo
Jun 21 12:10:14 <hiemanshu> and meego too
Jun 21 12:10:24 <Macer> sigh
Jun 21 12:10:35 <Macer> it comes in waves ;)
Jun 21 12:15:04 <vldcnst> can someone please tell me, on the round 2mm nokia connectors, is the inner the negative?
Jun 21 12:18:24 <Viltzu> no glx for n900?
Jun 21 12:20:26 <teotwaki> vldcnst: The charging voltage is connected to the center pin and the ground is connected to the outer surface of the plug.
Jun 21 12:22:22 <vldcnst> teotwaki: thank you
Jun 21 12:22:58 <teotwaki> vldcnst: https://www.google.com/search?q=nokia%202-mm%20dc%20charging%20interface%20specification%20v1.2
Jun 21 12:45:42 <zeq_laptop> Viltzu: N900 has egl/gles2 not glx/opengl.
Jun 21 12:46:24 <zeq_laptop> Viltzu: You'll need to see if your app supports gles
Jun 21 12:47:56 <Viltzu> Well it does support gles.
Jun 21 12:59:59 <DocScrutinizer51> hi 
Jun 21 13:00:25 <DocScrutinizer51> aaah
Jun 21 13:00:53 <cehteh> hi doc
Jun 21 13:03:34 <DocScrutinizer51> vldcnst: almost nothing has plus on sleeve today
Jun 21 13:03:59 <DocScrutinizer51> no cars, no psu, no plug
Jun 21 13:19:55 <zeq_laptop> DocScrutinizer51: hi
Jun 21 13:23:08 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: did you see fennec sunspider result?
Jun 21 13:44:09 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: Yes, I looked back through the backscroll
Jun 21 13:44:27 <zeq_laptop> not bad
Jun 21 13:45:29 <zeq_laptop> it's definitely a lot better than the other fennec builds, apart from the rotation and keyboard issues
Jun 21 13:47:21 <zeq_laptop> re. the rotation, I dont' know if you noticed, but it accesses the acceleratometer through the QAccelerometer API
Jun 21 13:47:32 <merlin1991> urgh
Jun 21 13:47:40 <merlin1991> why do they all do that?
Jun 21 13:47:51 <merlin1991> when there's h-d to take the grunt work?
Jun 21 13:48:24 <zeq_laptop> doesn't qtm have an h-d API?
Jun 21 13:49:03 <zeq_laptop> I'll be digging though it later, got a few things I have to do today before I can get hacking
Jun 21 13:49:08 <freemangordon> merlin1991?: it is harmattan after all
Jun 21 13:49:39 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: better leave h-d/rotation stuff to me ;)
Jun 21 13:49:43 <zeq_laptop> that's the thing, qt-mobility does have Maemo5 support, but it's not well maintained
Jun 21 13:50:03 <zeq_laptop> it probably has bugs
Jun 21 13:50:21 <freemangordon> merlin1991: BTW it rotates on every direction, not only portrait/landskape
Jun 21 13:50:31 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon:  I noticed that
Jun 21 13:50:45 <zeq_laptop> what happens on the N9?
Jun 21 13:51:08 <zeq_laptop> does anybody have an n9/950 with fennec?
Jun 21 13:51:20 <merlin1991> I have the firefox from ovi store
Jun 21 13:51:36 <zeq_laptop> or even generally, on the N9 does it rotate every orientation?
Jun 21 13:51:36 <freemangordon> the same as meego/nemo, some applications behave in that way (90 degrees error) even with the latest builds
Jun 21 13:51:43 <freemangordon> NFC
Jun 21 13:52:00 <zeq_laptop> an API change?
Jun 21 13:52:03 <merlin1991> rofl
Jun 21 13:52:07 <merlin1991> on harm it rotates everywehre
Jun 21 13:52:09 <merlin1991> BUT
Jun 21 13:52:17 <zeq_laptop> assumes portrait is default?
Jun 21 13:52:18 <merlin1991> resets to landscape / portrait after that
Jun 21 13:52:33 <merlin1991> so inverted states revert again :D
Jun 21 13:52:40 <freemangordon> WHAT? so it is upstream bug?
Jun 21 13:52:54 <zeq_laptop> merlin1991: what is default orientation on Harmattan?
Jun 21 13:52:59 <merlin1991> portrait
Jun 21 13:53:10 <zeq_laptop> that might be it then?
Jun 21 13:53:29 <merlin1991> it does regular landscape though
Jun 21 13:53:38 <merlin1991> only is odd on inverted portrait and inverted landscape
Jun 21 13:53:41 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: there is no default on maemo5, it seems you spot it. let me try and eun it in portrait
Jun 21 13:53:46 <zeq_laptop> except if the API doesn't account for the difference
Jun 21 13:54:46 <freemangordon> :nod:
Jun 21 13:55:05 <zeq_laptop> qtm bug?
Jun 21 13:55:35 <zeq_laptop> I'll try building libqtm from upstream git
Jun 21 13:55:51 <zeq_laptop> but it will have to be later as mentioned
Jun 21 13:56:07 <freemangordon> yeah, ok
Jun 21 13:56:23 <zeq_laptop> any idea about the keyboard, did you try it?
Jun 21 13:56:57 <zeq_laptop> I'm not sure what API it's using for input
Jun 21 13:57:51 <zeq_laptop> arrow keys aren't mapped corrently fn doesn't "stick" and only fn-nums work
Jun 21 14:00:29 <zeq_laptop> s/corrently/correctly/
Jun 21 14:00:29 <infobot> zeq_laptop meant: arrow keys aren't mapped correctly fn doesn't "stick" and only fn-nums work
Jun 21 14:02:21 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: no, will look at the code when I am back home
Jun 21 14:03:57 <teotwaki> Our so called "QA" person came into my office, yelling at me
Jun 21 14:04:05 <teotwaki> "The new version doesn't work, nothing works!"
Jun 21 14:04:06 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: I might not be about, so if you want to be able to build it, here's what needs fixing to build:
Jun 21 14:04:15 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: I was thinking is it possible to use that and replace microb backend instead of 
Jun 21 14:04:18 <teotwaki> (I'm the product manager for a VoIP server with callcentre management)
Jun 21 14:04:32 <teotwaki> I ask her what's wrong, she goes "The web services don't work anymore"
Jun 21 14:04:49 <teotwaki> "Is there an error message?" "No", she replies.
Jun 21 14:05:10 <teotwaki> I have a look, sure enough, there's an error message: "Invalid URL specified"
Jun 21 14:05:20 <teotwaki> She didn't put "http://" in the URL.
Jun 21 14:05:23 <zeq_laptop> my backup files have been cleaned up, how annoying!
Jun 21 14:05:45 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: I don't know, does it matter if it's qt?
Jun 21 14:05:58 <freemangordon> yes, it should be gtk
Jun 21 14:06:10 <zeq_laptop> it hooks into gtk functions?
Jun 21 14:06:17 <teotwaki> When she realises she's at fault, she yells at me because there's no input control, that the URL should be validated prior to failing.
Jun 21 14:06:18 <freemangordon> as it is GtkMozEmbed that is used
Jun 21 14:06:32 <zeq_laptop> ok
Jun 21 14:06:50 <teotwaki> I point out that it's her app, the one she created for QA testing that is at fault, not our front-end.
Jun 21 14:06:52 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: I was just wondering
Jun 21 14:06:56 <zeq_laptop> what't the ABI though?
Jun 21 14:07:01 <freemangordon> NFC
Jun 21 14:07:29 <freemangordon> browser-eal or something like that
Jun 21 14:08:07 <zeq_laptop> I wonder if it really is GTK specific
Jun 21 14:08:29 <freemangordon> merlin1991: what was that on TMO that one should uninstall bootimg package in order to upgrade to new cssu-thumb version?
Jun 21 14:08:48 <merlin1991> well ham was claiming a bogus conflict for me
Jun 21 14:08:55 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: anyway, a couple of fixes to get it to build:
Jun 21 14:08:58 <merlin1991> so I uninstalled the bootimg packge and it went all fine after that
Jun 21 14:09:02 <zeq_laptop> dom/system/unix/MaemoLocationProvider.cpp
Jun 21 14:09:07 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: no idea. Anyway I won't start such a project without having womaxa on my side :D
Jun 21 14:09:14 <merlin1991> didn't have the time to look at the control files to find out why I had the problem in the first place
Jun 21 14:09:27 <zeq_laptop> needs:
Jun 21 14:09:30 <zeq_laptop> NS_IMETHODIMP MaemoLocationProvider::SetHighAccuracy(bool)
Jun 21 14:09:30 <zeq_laptop> { return NS_OK;
Jun 21 14:09:30 <zeq_laptop> }
Jun 21 14:09:33 <freemangordon> merlin1991: did you update?
Jun 21 14:09:39 <merlin1991> yes
Jun 21 14:09:48 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: better pastebin it
Jun 21 14:10:08 <zeq_laptop> tell you what, I'll make a quick patch and pastebin that
Jun 21 14:10:21 <freemangordon> yeah, the best option
Jun 21 14:10:44 * freemangordon is going afk for a while
Jun 21 14:19:49 <vi_> excuse my intrusion, but what are you compiling zeq_laptop?
Jun 21 14:25:31 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/ezArKCuG
Jun 21 14:25:58 <zeq_laptop> you'll also need export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/qtm12/lib/pkgconfig"
Jun 21 14:26:11 <zeq_laptop> in your mozocnfig
Jun 21 14:26:24 <zeq_laptop> s/mozocnfig/mozconfig/
Jun 21 14:26:25 <infobot> zeq_laptop meant: in your mozconfig
Jun 21 14:26:51 <zeq_laptop> and obviously the actual qtm12 .pc files there
Jun 21 14:29:41 <zeq_laptop> full mozconfig: http://pastebin.com/zLhZ1d1j
Jun 21 14:30:13 <zeq_laptop> if anybody else wants to give it a go, be my guest
Jun 21 14:30:40 <zeq_laptop> vi_: it's fennec/qt/thumb/NEON
Jun 21 14:32:00 <zeq_laptop> vi_: it runs fast, but there are bugs atm
Jun 21 14:32:26 <zeq_laptop> like autorotation being 90º off
Jun 21 14:33:06 <zeq_laptop> see scrollback
Jun 21 14:33:54 * zeq_laptop has some important offline tasks to perform...
Jun 21 14:34:05 <zeq_laptop> bbl
Jun 21 15:36:02 <ivgalvez> freemangordon: ping
Jun 21 15:45:31 <zeq_laptop> merlin1991: do you know how rotation normally gets handled in hildon apps.  Looking through the fennec code, the "MeeGo" rotation handling (which is what's being used for my fennec build) actually rotates the render surface in the app in response to orientation changes.
Jun 21 15:58:57 <zeq_laptop> From reading qorientationsensor.cpp in libqtm, fennec simply shouldn't be using that API for determining portrait/landscape at all.  I don't know why it is!?!
Jun 21 16:01:58 <zeq_laptop> even funnier, the code in fennec looks to have been written by Nokia
Jun 21 16:08:32 <zeq_laptop> widget/qt/mozqorientationsensorfilter.cpp contains conversions between qt-mobility TopDown, TopUp, LeftUp and RightUp, and the fennec APIs mWindowRotationAngle in degrees, which is what's then used in widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp to determine whether to rotate the surface.
Jun 21 16:09:26 * zeq_laptop realises nobody else is around right now and goes back to what he should be doing ...
Jun 21 16:12:15 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: i just came back :)
Jun 21 16:12:40 <freemangordon> ivgalvez: pong
Jun 21 16:15:14 <Woody14619> vi__: very delayed pong. :)
Jun 21 16:16:46 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: hi
Jun 21 16:17:03 <zeq_laptop> did you read ^^
Jun 21 16:17:10 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 21 16:17:18 <freemangordon> (not the code iself)
Jun 21 16:17:38 <zeq_laptop> what do hildon apps do?
Jun 21 16:17:47 <zeq_laptop> on rotation
Jun 21 16:17:57 <zeq_laptop> just resize?
Jun 21 16:18:09 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: nothing :D. we just have to #ifdef QT_MAEMO_5 that code
Jun 21 16:18:15 <freemangordon> yep, just resize
Jun 21 16:18:39 <freemangordon> hmm, let me check for the correct define
Jun 21 16:19:07 <zeq_laptop> there is code in nsWindow.cpp for a "buffered painting mode" too
Jun 21 16:19:18 <freemangordon> or even better, let me check what this code does
Jun 21 16:19:27 <zeq_laptop> good idea :)
Jun 21 16:20:03 <zeq_laptop> I'm here but I'm busy sorting laundry, so I might be slow to respond
Jun 21 16:20:08 <zeq_laptop> :)
Jun 21 16:20:17 <freemangordon> :)
Jun 21 16:20:18 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 21 16:21:39 <zeq_laptop> I think we should be able to ifdef out the rotation code and plugin hildon support
Jun 21 16:22:09 <zeq_laptop> I don't know if you noticed but in portrait fennec is much slower at painting
Jun 21 16:24:06 <freemangordon> yep. BTW hildon support consist of connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), this, SLOT(orientationChanged()));
Jun 21 16:24:07 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: there's a flag to enable h-d rotation, right?
Jun 21 16:24:13 <freemangordon> yes
Jun 21 16:24:24 <freemangordon> setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true);
Jun 21 16:24:44 <freemangordon> plus sever other performance tweaks, gimme some time to look at the code
Jun 21 16:24:49 <freemangordon> *several
Jun 21 16:24:49 <zeq_laptop> ok
Jun 21 16:25:55 <freemangordon> aah, there is gtk2 under widget :D, nice
Jun 21 16:26:38 <zeq_laptop> yes, there is gtk code too, but apparently it's not nearly as fast
Jun 21 16:26:51 <zeq_laptop> could be a limitation of gtk2<3
Jun 21 16:26:52 <ivgalvez> fremangordon: don't forget to send me your Nokia Developers ID
Jun 21 16:27:10 <freemangordon> ivgalvez: sure, isn't 25th a deadline?
Jun 21 16:27:26 <freemangordon> *the deadline
Jun 21 16:27:34 <ivgalvez> yep, but almost everyone has already sent them
Jun 21 16:28:01 <freemangordon> ok, will do it later
Jun 21 16:28:21 <ivgalvez> ok, the sooner I send it to Nokia, the sooner you'll receive the device
Jun 21 16:28:29 <freemangordon> :D yeah
Jun 21 16:28:47 <freemangordon> I was just wondering which address to write there
Jun 21 16:28:53 <freemangordon> home or office
Jun 21 16:30:58 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: maybe we should disable MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY at all
Jun 21 16:31:16 <zeq_laptop> it's handy for the geolocation stuff though at least
Jun 21 16:31:27 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 21 16:31:55 <zeq_laptop> it's also possible the accelerometer can be used by web apps
Jun 21 16:32:08 <zeq_laptop> (speculation)
Jun 21 16:33:14 <zeq_laptop> as a basic browser it doesn't matter, but with a modern full-feature mozilla we get full HTML5 app support
Jun 21 16:33:39 <zeq_laptop> qt-mobility, in theory should allow those apps to use device feature
Jun 21 16:33:43 <zeq_laptop> features
Jun 21 16:34:07 <freemangordon> yep, agree. Did you grep for all places GetWindowRotationAngle is called?
Jun 21 16:34:34 <freemangordon> and where is your patch, so I can build it here
Jun 21 16:34:45 <zeq_laptop> No, I was just trying to trace where the rotation angle was coming from
Jun 21 16:35:26 <zeq_laptop>  http://pastebin.com/ezArKCuG
Jun 21 16:35:37 <zeq_laptop> http://pastebin.com/zLhZ1d1j
Jun 21 16:35:38 <freemangordon> ok, gimme the patch, I will remove gOrientationFilter and compiler will tell me where is is called :D
Jun 21 16:36:08 <freemangordon> thanks
Jun 21 16:36:15 <zeq_laptop> you need to make sure you have the libqtm11 pkgconfig files
Jun 21 16:36:41 <freemangordon> 11?
Jun 21 16:36:45 <freemangordon> or 12?
Jun 21 16:37:01 <zeq_laptop> 12
Jun 21 16:37:04 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 21 16:37:49 <zeq_laptop> some of the qtm -dev packages are broken wrt installing them
Jun 21 16:38:06 <freemangordon> will see
Jun 21 16:41:13 <zeq_laptop> it would be nice to have both updated microb and fennec, they both have quite different functionality.  microb has nice cut and paste for example, fennec currently lacks it!
Jun 21 16:41:43 <freemangordon> fennec has copy/paste :P
Jun 21 16:41:50 <freemangordon> press and hold
Jun 21 16:42:05 <zeq_laptop> it does? :)
Jun 21 16:42:16 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 21 16:42:23 <zeq_laptop> oh well, must have come in recently... :$
Jun 21 16:42:51 <zeq_laptop> ok... nice gesture support in microb ;)
Jun 21 16:43:07 <freemangordon> at least your build gives select all/copy all
Jun 21 16:43:13 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 21 16:47:59 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: how's the build going?
Jun 21 16:48:29 <freemangordon> fast :D
Jun 21 16:49:37 <zeq_laptop> no breakages yet from gOrientationFilter removal?
Jun 21 16:50:27 <freemangordon> still not removed
Jun 21 16:50:38 <freemangordon> I want to be sure I can build that first
Jun 21 16:50:50 <zeq_laptop> sensible
Jun 21 16:52:24 <zeq_laptop> according to grep, it's only used in nsWindow.cpp
Jun 21 16:54:09 <freemangordon> thats very goot
Jun 21 16:54:13 <freemangordon> *good
Jun 21 16:55:36 <freemangordon> ivgalvez: sorry for the stupid question, where am I supposed to send my Nokia developer ID
Jun 21 16:56:43 <freemangordon> "/home/maemo/workspace/tmp/fennec-14.0b7/mozilla-beta/dom/system/unix/QTMLocationProvider.h:40:34: fatal error: QGeoPositionInfoSource: No such file or directory
Jun 21 16:56:43 <freemangordon> "
Jun 21 16:56:53 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: ^^^
Jun 21 16:57:17 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: it failed to find your qtm12 pkgconfig files
Jun 21 16:57:41 <freemangordon> yeah :(
Jun 21 16:58:27 <zeq_laptop> buildsystem doesn't give much warning
Jun 21 16:58:30 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: I am stupid, I don't have them :D
Jun 21 16:58:36 <zeq_laptop> LOL
Jun 21 16:58:40 <zeq_laptop> I did say to check :)
Jun 21 16:58:47 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 21 16:59:08 <freemangordon> but I have qtm1.0.2, should I uninstall it?
Jun 21 16:59:18 <zeq_laptop> no need
Jun 21 16:59:27 <zeq_laptop> the PKG_CONFIG_PATH means look here first
Jun 21 17:00:52 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: But I have QGeoPositionInfoSource
Jun 21 17:01:07 <freemangordon> even without qtm12 installed
Jun 21 17:01:30 <freemangordon> let me check configure
Jun 21 17:02:29 <zeq_laptop> it will look in $QTDIR/include
Jun 21 17:02:35 <zeq_laptop> which resolves to /include
Jun 21 17:02:40 <freemangordon> damn, that is what pkg-config --cflags QtLocation spits
Jun 21 17:02:50 <freemangordon> -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include
Jun 21 17:02:58 <freemangordon> going to fix that first
Jun 21 17:05:02 <zeq_laptop> I did try building against earlier libqtm first btw
Jun 21 17:06:23 <zeq_laptop> not all the needed APIs were there though as I recall
Jun 21 17:07:03 <freemangordon> ok, going to include qtm12
Jun 21 17:07:10 <freemangordon> *install
Jun 21 17:07:43 <zeq_laptop> there seems to be two versions in the repos
Jun 21 17:07:47 <zeq_laptop> of qtm12
Jun 21 17:07:56 <zeq_laptop> monolithic and modular
Jun 21 17:09:04 <zeq_laptop> the monolithic at least doesn't install the pkgconfigs, I fixed that here before I realised the other version was available.  I don't know if the modular version installs them or not.
Jun 21 17:10:18 <freemangordon> hmm, the fastest way is to just add QtLocation/ in the source
Jun 21 17:10:37 <freemangordon> will fix qt-mobility later
Jun 21 17:10:45 <zeq_laptop> as long as you get the right one
Jun 21 17:11:14 <freemangordon> well, lets try with what I have, compilation is fast here. and AFAIK qtm12 is in extras-devel
Jun 21 17:11:51 <zeq_laptop> ok
Jun 21 17:12:27 <zeq_laptop> fwiw qtm-12 is the current stable version
Jun 21 17:12:54 <freemangordon> in extras?
Jun 21 17:12:57 <freemangordon> great
Jun 21 17:13:04 <zeq_laptop> I nean upstream
Jun 21 17:13:59 <freemangordon> aah
Jun 21 17:14:01 <freemangordon> :)
Jun 21 17:14:47 * freemangordon feels ashamed it takes two council members to remind him to send his Nokia dev id for CA
Jun 21 17:15:34 <zeq_laptop> so what are you going to do with your 950?
Jun 21 17:18:45 <zeq_laptop> are we going to have a thumb-extras repo?
Jun 21 17:18:46 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: it's a secret
Jun 21 17:19:16 <zeq_laptop> ah forget I asked ;)
Jun 21 17:19:20 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: qho knows, maybe, lets all that noise around nokia cease first
Jun 21 17:19:52 <zeq_laptop> I don't think they'll be around much longer tbh
Jun 21 17:20:02 <freemangordon> yeah :(
Jun 21 17:20:35 <freemangordon> yes, QFeedbackEffect is missing
Jun 21 17:20:48 <freemangordon> going to install qtm-12
Jun 21 17:22:39 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: how is the package called?
Jun 21 17:23:00 <zeq_laptop> libqtm-12-dev I think
Jun 21 17:23:25 <zeq_laptop> I think there are two versions though as I mentioned
Jun 21 17:23:40 <zeq_laptop> in different repos, not checked which, where though
Jun 21 17:26:12 <zeq_laptop> I have a version on my server
Jun 21 17:27:08 <zeq_laptop> http://www.snewbury.org.uk/libqtm-12-dev_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb
Jun 21 17:27:23 <zeq_laptop> http://www.snewbury.org.uk/libqtm-12_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb
Jun 21 17:27:30 <zeq_laptop> if that helps
Jun 21 17:27:37 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: ^
Jun 21 17:27:42 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: but I need to find what is in repos
Jun 21 17:27:49 <zeq_laptop> ok
Jun 21 17:27:51 <freemangordon> gimme some time
Jun 21 17:33:29 <freemangordon> the version in extras is broken, installing from extras-devel
Jun 21 17:37:10 <freemangordon> installed, starting the compilation
Jun 21 17:50:02 <freemangordon> zeq_laptop: is it enough to add PKG_CONFIG=/opt/qtm12/lib/pkgconfig:$(PKG_CONFIG) in debian/rules?
Jun 21 18:02:00 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: PKG_CONFIG_PATH
Jun 21 18:02:09 <freemangordon> yeah, typo
Jun 21 18:03:04 <zeq_laptop> if it likely to be defined in the environment?
Jun 21 18:03:31 <zeq_laptop> the default path is always searched after those listed in PKG_CONFIG_PATH
Jun 21 18:03:38 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 21 18:04:06 <zeq_laptop> sucess now?
Jun 21 18:04:17 <freemangordon> building
Jun 21 18:04:20 <zeq_laptop> s/sucess/success/
Jun 21 18:04:20 <infobot> zeq_laptop meant: success now?
Jun 21 18:05:27 <freemangordon> though it won't finish till GF is ready with her make-up, so I won't be able to see the result in a couple of hours :)
Jun 21 18:09:35 * freemangordon is afk
Jun 21 18:36:46 <zeq_laptop> how do you find which repo provides a particular pkg?
Jun 21 18:36:52 <zeq_laptop> how do you find which repo provides a particular pkg?
Jun 21 18:37:08 <zeq_laptop> echo in here :)
Jun 21 18:40:18 <cehteh> apt-cache policy <package>
Jun 21 18:40:47 <zeq_laptop> cehteh: thanks :)
Jun 21 18:41:05 <zeq_laptop> okay, that's interesting
Jun 21 18:41:22 <zeq_laptop> so libqtm-12 is a core package
Jun 21 18:41:50 <zeq_laptop>      1:1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle5 0
Jun 21 18:41:50 <zeq_laptop>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages
Jun 21 18:42:31 <zeq_laptop> Maintainer: Attila Csipa <attila.csipa@nokia.com>
Jun 21 18:43:04 <zeq_laptop> Is Attila Csipa still maintainer?
Jun 21 18:44:39 <cehteh> anyone left at nokia?
Jun 21 18:45:15 <zeq_laptop> is that rhetorical?
Jun 21 18:45:20 <cehteh> yes :)
Jun 21 18:45:30 <zeq_laptop> :(
Jun 21 18:45:52 <zeq_laptop> I guess there's a few pkgs going to need new maintainers
Jun 21 18:46:22 <zeq_laptop> I guess that makes it CSSU material though, right?
Jun 21 18:46:27 <Sicelo> Congrats to N9(50) reciepients (to be) 
Jun 21 18:46:28 <cehteh> yeah .. go and adopt bme please :)
Jun 21 18:46:29 <Sicelo> :)
Jun 21 18:49:13 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer*: what are the limitations of hostmode, i just dumbed down tried to use avrdude from easy-debian, that doesnt work
Jun 21 18:50:22 <Sicelo> avrdude .. hmm :/
Jun 21 18:51:19 <Sicelo> mlwane: pm?
Jun 21 18:59:08 <DocScrutinizer05> cehteh: hmm?
Jun 21 19:00:34 <cehteh> you know the usbasp avr burner? usb in software on a almost naked atmega
Jun 21 19:00:49 <DocScrutinizer05> err somewhat
Jun 21 19:00:54 <cehteh> when i plug it in then lsusb doesnt list it and seems to time out
Jun 21 19:01:08 <cehteh> prolly it has a very rudimentary usb implementation
Jun 21 19:01:37 <cehteh> also when i plug in my keyboard it works .. but when i plug a hub inbetween it doesnt work
Jun 21 19:02:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jun 21 19:02:40 <cehteh> i have no idea and no intent to investigate that much more, just asking if you are aware of any shortcomings
Jun 21 19:03:08 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to trigger ENUM manually, for each new device plugged in
Jun 21 19:03:14 <cehteh> negotiation of transfer speed? standard compliance? ..
Jun 21 19:03:22 <cehteh> how to?
Jun 21 19:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> click "enum"?
Jun 21 19:03:41 <cehteh> i did
Jun 21 19:03:59 <cehteh> comes back with 'no filesystem found' or somethnig like that
Jun 21 19:04:03 <cehteh> lemme try again
Jun 21 19:04:43 <Sicelo> there is no FS of course for a keyboard
Jun 21 19:04:47 <DocScrutinizer05> what fscking fs? on a kbd?
Jun 21 19:04:54 <cehteh> btw starting hen stopps bme .. but exiting it doesnt restart bme, at least not reliable (i didnt used it often yet)
Jun 21 19:05:08 <cehteh> moment maybe i remember the error wrong
Jun 21 19:05:50 <Sicelo> cehteh: DocScrutinizer05 published a new booston/off script in which that's fixed (stopping and starting bme, i mean)
Jun 21 19:06:03 <cehteh> how can i find out the speed level of a given device? (on a laptop)
Jun 21 19:06:17 <cehteh> i dont know if the avr programmer is low speed or full speed
Jun 21 19:06:30 <DocScrutinizer05> syslog
Jun 21 19:06:44 * Sicelo makes a note too :P
Jun 21 19:06:48 <DocScrutinizer05> or lsusb
Jun 21 19:06:56 <cehteh> [781875.028557] usb 7-2: new low-speed USB device number 32 using uhci_hcd
Jun 21 19:06:58 <cehteh> thanks :(
Jun 21 19:07:00 <cehteh> :)
Jun 21 19:08:34 <cehteh> ok .. from the host it works (not debian chroot)
Jun 21 19:08:49 <cehteh> maybe its a missing usbfs mount or whatever
Jun 21 19:08:59 <DocScrutinizer05> with a hub attached and enumerated you shouldn't need manual enum for devices plugged to hub later on, iirc
Jun 21 19:09:27 <DocScrutinizer05> why T F would you want to run h-e-n in a chroot=
Jun 21 19:09:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Jun 21 19:09:33 <cehteh> error message is (german) "Verbindung kann nicht hergestellt werden, da kein Dateisystem verfügbar ist" .. as notification after i enum it
Jun 21 19:09:41 <cehteh> not that
Jun 21 19:09:52 <cehteh> i started hen from outside
Jun 21 19:10:10 <cehteh> but the avr toolchain is in the chroot and has no access to the usb programmer
Jun 21 19:10:15 <cehteh> (but it sees the keyboard)
Jun 21 19:10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> that's after hitting "mount"
Jun 21 19:10:19 <cehteh> no
Jun 21 19:10:24 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't mount a kbd
Jun 21 19:10:35 <cehteh> i definitive hit 'enum' ... and thats reproducible
Jun 21 19:10:41 <cehteh> programmer now, not keyboard
Jun 21 19:10:58 <cehteh> does it try to automount?
Jun 21 19:11:02 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc, check syslog
Jun 21 19:11:22 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe new ke-ecv does
Jun 21 19:11:34 <cehteh> barf :P
Jun 21 19:11:38 <cehteh> well nothing in syslog
Jun 21 19:12:01 <DocScrutinizer05> who's telli ng this then?
Jun 21 19:12:23 <cehteh> maybe :) .. no idea
Jun 21 19:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> A) never use "autostart filemanager" option in h-e-n
Jun 21 19:12:59 <cehteh> *now* lsusb lists the device (from chroot) 
Jun 21 19:13:04 <DocScrutinizer05> B) check syslog
Jun 21 19:13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> there has to be sth in there
Jun 21 19:13:21 <cehteh> good that i talked with you .. bugs are scared by you and vanish :P
Jun 21 19:13:39 <cehteh> ealier i tried serveral times and it didnt worked :P
Jun 21 19:13:49 <cehteh> maybe some timing/sync problems 
Jun 21 19:14:52 <DocScrutinizer05> stay patient, it all takes its time
Jun 21 19:15:12 <DocScrutinizer05> USB well takes 30s sometimes, to init
Jun 21 19:15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> even on my laptop
Jun 21 19:15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> some peripherals aren't exactly lightning fast
Jun 21 19:16:09 <cehteh> oh . here on my laptop its almost always instant
Jun 21 19:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and after al the peri needs to *boot* after you hit "vboost"
Jun 21 19:17:36 <cehteh> nice setup now   n900 - chargingcable - female:female adapter - usbcable - naked programmer pcb - ribbon cable - selfglued adaper - rc helicopter     :)
Jun 21 19:17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, enjoy
Jun 21 19:17:49 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads out for dinner
Jun 21 19:17:53 <cehteh> cu :)
Jun 21 19:29:47 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: I notice the Maemo5 support code is still in the gtk2 widget, I'm going to try porting it over to the qt widget.
Jun 21 19:33:07 <vi__> Woody14619: 
Jun 21 19:33:09 <vi__> Woody14619: ping
Jun 21 19:33:28 <Woody14619> vi__:pong
Jun 21 19:33:35 <Woody14619> Whats up? :)
Jun 21 19:34:01 <vi__> Woody14619: just ignore them haterz.
Jun 21 19:34:17 <vi__> abill_uk is a fucking penis.
Jun 21 19:35:08 <Woody14619> Yes.. I know... but to some degree, especially with Aris, I need to make the point that this is far more helpfull the the "Harmattan community"... 
Jun 21 19:36:07 <Woody14619> I susspect he's the Estel of Harmattan...  Though I'm not sure if/whom that would be insulting to... Probably both of them...
Jun 21 19:36:54 <Sicelo> Lol Woody14619 
Jun 21 19:41:23 <chem|st> Woody14619: estel is more of the combination of pupnik and abill_uk
Jun 21 19:41:50 * Woody14619 avoids this converstaion.... 
Jun 21 19:41:54 <chem|st> :)
Jun 21 19:42:09 <chem|st> what does abill do AGAIN?
Jun 21 19:42:48 <vi__> chem|st: he is the result of the uk welfare state.
Jun 21 19:43:28 <vi__> The only prize I saw as controversial was 'Matan'.
Jun 21 19:43:32 <chem|st> vi__: fat ugly proll in front of a pc?
Jun 21 19:43:56 <vi__> chem|st: A little right of centre politically are we chem|st ;)
Jun 21 19:44:28 <chem|st> vi__: actually not, but I know some of those :)
Jun 21 19:44:46 <chem|st> if you are speaking of result that comes to mind...
Jun 21 19:46:30 <ZogG_laptop> Woody14619: i'm the one who is asking questions on that thread too, and i want to ask you to ignore trolls, as when you answer it makes harder to see other questions and comments =)
Jun 21 19:47:15 <ZogG_laptop> Matan was hard with community but contributed a lot
Jun 21 19:47:31 <vi__> ZogG_laptop: matan went AWOL well over a year ago.
Jun 21 19:48:01 <vi__> Which is totally cool, however it does somewhat tarnish your status as a community champion.
Jun 21 19:48:20 <chem|st> vi__: AWOL applies to others too
Jun 21 19:48:52 <Woody14619> vi__: he has been active a bit recently behind the sceens too though.  And frankly, the same could be said of others who have since come back.
Jun 21 19:49:38 <Woody14619> vi__: and really, do you think he'll get a shiny new toy and not fall into the trap of contributing again?  It's like handing a pipe to a crack addict... I almost felt bad doing it.
Jun 21 19:49:49 <chem|st> vi__: as it is/was about the PAST in community I am more about those who are commonly freshmen
Jun 21 19:49:55 <ZogG_laptop> vi__: i'm not judging members, at least i don't want to accuse though i have few question marks, but it would be too much and unfair as always people would think different and accuse but some points of council getting devices are not right in any option
Jun 21 19:50:35 <vi__> Woody14619: Heh, you drug pimpin' SOaB.
Jun 21 19:50:35 <ZogG_laptop> chem|st: me too
Jun 21 19:51:43 <vi__> ZogG_laptop: I think the problem is what counts as community contribution.
Jun 21 19:51:53 <ZogG_laptop> i was out for a long from #maemo and i don't know all the people on list but most i know as i was an active memeber when i had n900 and even if i didn't contributed euf i do remember those who did. maybe they give you double feeling but you know their names not for nothing
Jun 21 19:51:57 <vi__> ^./,
Jun 21 19:52:04 <SpeedEvil> :wave Zog
Jun 21 19:52:11 <ZogG_laptop> SpeedEvil: sup
Jun 21 19:52:20 <SpeedEvil> I am eating Pizza.
Jun 21 19:52:21 <vi__> is defined vaguely.
Jun 21 19:52:26 <SpeedEvil> (not strictly on-topic)
Jun 21 19:52:41 <vi__> ZogG_laptop: wait, you are matan?
Jun 21 19:52:49 <ZogG_laptop> SpeedEvil: what adds?
Jun 21 19:53:08 <SpeedEvil>  Just basic olive, cheese, and kabernosi sausage.
Jun 21 19:53:19 <badxboy> hello
Jun 21 19:53:22 <ZogG_laptop> i like mushrooms in any food
Jun 21 19:53:36 <ZogG_laptop> i would eat mushroom icecream
Jun 21 19:53:43 <vi__> ZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptop==matan?
Jun 21 19:53:52 <vi__> badxboy: hello.
Jun 21 19:54:56 <ZogG_laptop> vi__: ???
Jun 21 19:55:12 <vi__> ZogG_laptop: I guess not then :p
Jun 21 19:55:22 <ZogG_laptop> i don't know him personally and never talked to him, but he is from my country if you mean that =)
Jun 21 19:56:31 <badxboy> if i said i hate maemo will anyone kick me fo saying that? (just asking)
Jun 21 19:56:36 <vi__> What is Arie's obsession with harmattan?  I mean the CA were for community activity, not to encourage harmattan development?
Jun 21 19:56:40 <vi__> badxboy: nope.
Jun 21 19:56:45 <badxboy> good
Jun 21 19:56:47 <vi__> badxboy: I hate maemo too.
Jun 21 19:56:49 <ZogG_laptop> vi__: i was here a while ago and i always was ZogG here, people do remember me
Jun 21 19:56:55 <vi__> Especially maemo 5.
Jun 21 19:57:09 <DocScrutinizer51> vi__: sure?
Jun 21 19:57:11 <vi__> It is a hack-ass pile of WTF that somehow works.
Jun 21 19:57:25 <badxboy> i dont hate it but you can say im not even a maemo usr :P
Jun 21 19:57:28 <vi__> However it is the best mobile OS available.
Jun 21 19:57:52 <badxboy> thats why im here
Jun 21 19:58:01 <badxboy> i want to ask something
Jun 21 19:58:11 <DocScrutinizer51> earning kickpoints?
Jun 21 19:58:13 <vi__> badxboy: proceed.
Jun 21 19:58:24 <DocScrutinizer51> asking is good
Jun 21 19:58:27 <vi__> ~kickpoints
Jun 21 19:58:37 <badxboy> im an android usr...
Jun 21 19:58:40 <DocScrutinizer51> bad karma
Jun 21 19:58:46 <badxboy> user*
Jun 21 19:58:54 <DocScrutinizer51> still no crime
Jun 21 19:59:01 <ZogG_laptop> i loved maemo 5
Jun 21 19:59:21 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway
Jun 21 19:59:23 <vi__> badxboy: I am sorry to hear that.
Jun 21 19:59:29 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ask
Jun 21 19:59:29 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Jun 21 20:00:02 <vi__> ~aske
Jun 21 20:00:07 <ZogG_laptop> badxboy: there are wp users among us =)
Jun 21 20:00:37 <DocScrutinizer51> wordperfect? really???
Jun 21 20:00:46 <badxboy> i want to ask is it possible to run (ubuntu/maemo/linux) on android?
Jun 21 20:01:08 <vi__> badxboy: lol
Jun 21 20:01:10 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe/no/yes
Jun 21 20:01:11 <badxboy> ...
Jun 21 20:01:33 <badxboy> i geuss no...
Jun 21 20:01:42 <badxboy> ok thx anyways :P
Jun 21 20:02:04 <ZogG_laptop> badxboy: you want to run apps or system and if yes than it depends on device i think and drivers and other things you would need to rewrite/re do and mostly they would be closed source
Jun 21 20:02:08 <vi__> linux is a kernel, maemo is a platfor specific wad of stuff and ubuntu is a distribution.
Jun 21 20:02:14 <DocScrutinizer51> if you want maemo, you want N900
Jun 21 20:02:37 <vi__> If you want linux on a pocket device you want an n900
Jun 21 20:02:45 <vi__> if you want a smartphone you want an android.
Jun 21 20:02:52 <ZogG_laptop> badxboy: but you can check on mer or nemo projects and maybe collabrate with devs to port to your device, i think it might be possible
Jun 21 20:03:11 <ZogG_laptop> vi__: is you want smart phone you want WP7 =)
Jun 21 20:03:18 * ZogG_laptop is trolling
Jun 21 20:04:05 <vi__> as for running linux on an android (laymans terms) you can kind of run linux simultaneously but you cannot have any graphics without shitty VNC hacks.
Jun 21 20:04:53 <badxboy> i know a way to run ubuntu via vnc with a pc
Jun 21 20:05:30 <badxboy> with windows 7
Jun 21 20:07:06 <badxboy> i think the htc hd2 can run ubuntu, but its originaly windows mobile
Jun 21 20:07:42 <badxboy> originally*
Jun 21 20:08:26 <badxboy> thats why i thought it would be posslible for an android device
Jun 21 20:09:31 <vi__> can the n950 battery be replaced (with a screwdriver?)
Jun 21 20:10:10 <Sicelo> badxboy: i have a chinese friend who has an HTC android.. poor guy tried all he could, until one day he just quit trying. :/
Jun 21 20:10:27 <badxboy> ...
Jun 21 20:10:39 <Sicelo> to boot linux natively, i mean
Jun 21 20:11:09 <badxboy> i have a motorola milestone not a htc device :/
Jun 21 20:11:19 <DocScrutinizer51> vi__: yes
Jun 21 20:11:31 <vi__> DocScrutinizer51: a 12MP camera? WTF?
Jun 21 20:11:35 <badxboy> but one of my mates is using a htc hd2
Jun 21 20:11:43 <vi__> BL-4D
Jun 21 20:12:23 <Sicelo> badxboy: i'm not a dev. :P
Jun 21 20:12:54 <Sicelo> i think your best bet is some chroot+vnc, as vi__  said already.
Jun 21 20:13:05 <badxboy> and im not a dev thats why im not even trying, im  just searching for a way to do that
Jun 21 20:13:37 <badxboy> and the vnc will be slow
Jun 21 20:15:04 <Sicelo> get an N900 :P
Jun 21 20:15:23 <Viltzu> asdf Problem with MegeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-armel_Packages
Jun 21 20:15:32 <Viltzu> The package lists or status file could  not be parsed or opened.
Jun 21 20:15:44 <Viltzu> When trying to do apt-get update in scratchbox
Jun 21 20:16:00 <badxboy> i dont want an n900
Jun 21 20:16:03 <Viltzu> Need that dep so I can install libboost 1.49 :P
Jun 21 20:17:17 <Sicelo> good luck.
Jun 21 20:17:21 <Viltzu> Another way is then to compile boost 1.49..
Jun 21 20:17:25 * Sicelo turns to other stuff
Jun 21 20:19:28 <badxboy> oh yeah and i read that its possible to run any img OS via bochs (its an app for android), but it will be slow because its running on top of android
Jun 21 20:20:02 <badxboy> ok thank for the tips :D bye guys
Jun 21 20:21:26 <ZogG_laptop> vi__: i think there are videos of disassamle of n950
Jun 21 20:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> no problem
Jun 21 20:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> unscrew, slide in fingernail at speaker
Jun 21 20:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> between plastic and body
Jun 21 20:27:52 <DocScrutinizer05> just don't think you can remove alu while keeping plastic ends in place
Jun 21 20:28:36 <ZogG_laptop> ruskie: till around?
Jun 21 20:29:58 * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at incredibly obfuscated crappy android repo diagnostic prints
Jun 21 20:31:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Receiving objects:  86% (781/904), 92.54 MiB | 88 KiB/s    ects:  86% (781/904), 91.97 MiB | 96 KiB/s    iB/s 
Jun 21 20:46:26 <zeq_laptop> freemangordon: I've just merged arcean's hildon-desktop double->float conversion into your thumb-testing branch and rebuilt with NEON support.  Backing up first before testing it... :)
Jun 21 20:49:21 <DocScrutinizer05> WUT??? FLOAT in H-D??
Jun 21 20:49:42 <merlin1991> huh? what did I miss
Jun 21 20:49:57 <DocScrutinizer05> :-/
Jun 21 20:51:51 <DocScrutinizer05> devine insanity
Jun 21 20:53:30 * DocScrutinizer05 suggests to reimplement gstreamer plugins in infinite-decimals-BDC
Jun 21 20:53:37 <DocScrutinizer05> BCD
Jun 21 20:54:00 <merlin1991> nah DocScrutinizer05 I think the actual patch is about float -> double -> float conversions in h-d
Jun 21 20:54:05 <merlin1991> some silly stuff there
Jun 21 20:55:40 <DocScrutinizer05> there SHOULD NOT be any floats in H-D at all
Jun 21 20:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2119
Jun 21 20:55:46 <infobot> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
Jun 21 20:56:05 <merlin1991> as if double were better
Jun 21 20:56:16 <DocScrutinizer05> waaaay better
Jun 21 20:56:37 <DocScrutinizer05> you think 2 + 3 = 5, in float??
Jun 21 20:57:07 <merlin1991> ah yeah just to make you rage more, since you live in germany it's quite possible your energy provider quite possible uses an mdm/amr that has float to store the deltas
Jun 21 20:57:23 <merlin1991> too much possible in that sentence xD
Jun 21 20:58:55 <DocScrutinizer05> as long as I don't miss the holiday in the caribic award for the 10.000.000 kWh as the counter jumps from 9.999.999,999899921 to 10.000.000,000000023651653
Jun 21 20:59:45 <DocScrutinizer05> in real there IS NO such thing like 10.000.000 plain
Jun 21 21:00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'd assume this will bite our ass (away) for H-D
Jun 21 21:00:57 <ZogG_laptop> if you take blue pill you 'll find out how deep the rabbit hole is, it you take red pill ...
Jun 21 21:01:03 <DocScrutinizer05> as definitely some idiot did "if (a == b) {..." in there
Jun 21 21:01:51 <DocScrutinizer05> for reals the == comparator is forbidden
Jun 21 21:01:54 <ZogG_laptop> ~H-D
Jun 21 21:02:03 <ZogG_laptop> is it hildon or what?
Jun 21 21:04:16 <DocScrutinizer05> s/reals/floats/
Jun 21 21:04:17 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: for floats the == comparator is forbidden
Jun 21 21:05:53 <cehteh> forbidden isnt really true .. but some people may be surprised by the results
Jun 21 21:14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> to make things worse, N900 CPU is really really weak on floats
Jun 21 21:15:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and I wonder WTF for you need a float accuracy on a screen with 800*480
Jun 21 21:15:36 <zeq_laptop> N900 isn't weak on floats if you use NEON
Jun 21 21:15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, a gifted coder handles that stuff with int16
Jun 21 21:15:56 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq_laptop: are you sure, yes?
Jun 21 21:15:59 <zeq_laptop> it's just that the VFPLite is insanely slow
Jun 21 21:16:07 <zeq_laptop> Absolutely sure
Jun 21 21:16:16 <DocScrutinizer05> uhuh
Jun 21 21:16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> then tell me why qt got abyssmally slow when using floats for gfx
Jun 21 21:17:03 <zeq_laptop> because it wasn't using neon?
Jun 21 21:17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> you know how math coprocs work?
Jun 21 21:18:27 <DocScrutinizer05> you know the diff in CPU cycles between a R3 / R4 vs a div_float( R4, R3)?
Jun 21 21:18:29 <ZogG_laptop> DocScrutinizer51 trolls oldschool =0)
Jun 21 21:19:29 <zeq_laptop> actually no, I don't. I'd have to look it up.  But yes simple integer math is going to be much slower
Jun 21 21:19:41 <DocScrutinizer05> you, Sir, made it off my /ignore for very unknown reasons
Jun 21 21:19:57 <zeq_laptop> faster*
Jun 21 21:20:02 <zeq_laptop> typo
Jun 21 21:20:45 <zeq_laptop> I know back in the early days FP was handled through a trap handler
Jun 21 21:20:49 <zeq_laptop> on ARMs
Jun 21 21:21:08 <zeq_laptop> in those days using floats was crazy insane
Jun 21 21:21:21 <zeq_laptop> yet people still did, because it made coding much easier
Jun 21 21:22:46 <zeq_laptop> even though for every float op the cpu had to generate an illegal instruction and have the OS execute a handler to perform the op before restoring normal excecution
Jun 21 21:22:55 <zeq_laptop> am I on ignore?
Jun 21 21:23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> not you
Jun 21 21:23:39 <ZogG_laptop> i think me
Jun 21 21:24:12 <zeq_laptop> oh ok
Jun 21 21:24:39 <ZogG_laptop> i just think people can advise and suggest instead beeing "O RLY?" or "IT's STUPUD" =)
Jun 21 21:25:36 <ZogG_laptop> s/i/DocScrutinizer51,i/
Jun 21 21:25:37 <infobot> ZogG_laptop meant: DocScrutinizer51,i just think people can advise and suggest instead beeing "O RLY?" or "IT's STUPUD" =)
Jun 21 21:26:10 <zeq_laptop> It doesn't worry me, I respect Doc, I just not as ignorant about ARM CPUs as he might have thought
Jun 21 21:26:42 <zeq_laptop> it's an interesting topic
Jun 21 21:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I asked
Jun 21 21:27:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm actually not absolutely sure myself, so I asked if you have hard numbers
Jun 21 21:27:33 <zeq_laptop> The thing about ARMs is there's really never been a standard FP coproc
Jun 21 21:27:40 <ZogG_laptop> i don't have any clue in this topic as the most DocScrutinizer51 is an expert, it just amuse the way he react =) and not in the bad way, as i just know him for a while here =)
Jun 21 21:27:47 <vi__> "I did absolutely nothing for Harmattan and I don't plan to." --freemangordon on winning an N950.
Jun 21 21:28:01 <vi__> Trollmode highest level.
Jun 21 21:28:11 <ZogG_laptop> vi__: yeah i saw it, he made my day
Jun 21 21:28:34 <DocScrutinizer05> vi__: sanest statement ever ;-D
Jun 21 21:29:12 <zeq_laptop> that is funny
Jun 21 21:36:10 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq_laptop: honestly, I think your post "yet people still did, because it made coding much easier" was absolutely to the point and still valid nowadays. And your other considerations regarding speed of int32 math vs neon accelerated float math are as well, though maybe not as extreme as they been a few years and CPU generations ago
Jun 21 21:37:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ARMv4(?) not even had a hw-div
Jun 21 21:37:51 <zeq_laptop> nope. ARM1 didn't even have hw-mul!
Jun 21 21:38:46 <zeq_laptop> not that many used an ARM1 ;)
Jun 21 21:39:04 <zeq_laptop> kind of wanted one at the time though
Jun 21 21:39:36 <zeq_laptop> second CPU for BBC Micro tube bus
Jun 21 21:40:44 <ZogG_laptop> freemangordon: man, you are on fire on that thread, but you as well flooding it with arguing =\
Jun 21 21:45:46 <DocScrutinizer05> nowanyway afaik you still need to shove your 64bit operands to the NEON, and after executing the math op you need to pull the result from there
Jun 21 21:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> -now
Jun 21 21:46:23 <vi__> well THAT thread is escalating quickly.
Jun 21 21:47:20 <DocScrutinizer05> am I missing another lesson why I usually don't read tmo? ;-P
Jun 21 21:48:38 <ZogG_laptop> DocScrutinizer51: there are nice thing there too btw
Jun 21 21:48:45 <ZogG_laptop> oh i forgot you ignore me
Jun 21 21:49:36 <zeq_laptop> DocScrutinizer05: if you want to rewrite hildon-desktop to use integer math... :)
Jun 21 21:49:50 <zeq_laptop> anyway it seems to be working ok :)
Jun 21 21:49:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd actually suggest that
Jun 21 21:50:20 <zeq_laptop> it isn't a bad idea, but it is quite a project
Jun 21 21:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> shouldn't be too hard
Jun 21 21:50:59 <DocScrutinizer05> if it's coded with floats it needs a tough code review anyway ;-)
Jun 21 21:51:20 <zeq_laptop> true :)
Jun 21 21:51:24 <DocScrutinizer05> as devels using floats usually do it the wrong way
Jun 21 21:51:41 <zeq_laptop> there are probably easier targers for float elminination in the stack though
Jun 21 21:51:51 <zeq_laptop> s/targers/targets/
Jun 21 21:51:52 <infobot> zeq_laptop meant: there are probably easier targets for float elminination in the stack though
Jun 21 21:52:16 <DocScrutinizer05> qt comes to mind, but then otoh that's probably a really heavy project
Jun 21 21:52:30 <zeq_laptop> I'd be all for removing any usage of vfp at all
Jun 21 21:52:54 <zeq_laptop> at least that way neon optimized code has a chance of running properly without stalls
Jun 21 21:53:46 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah stalls
Jun 21 21:54:03 * DocScrutinizer05 needs to switch to 64bit OS on his 8GB RAM laptop
Jun 21 21:54:15 <zeq_laptop> yes you do :)
Jun 21 21:55:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd bet it are the malloc() that cause these nasty 30s stalls
Jun 21 21:55:26 <zeq_laptop> 30s!?!
Jun 21 21:55:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jun 21 21:55:33 <zeq_laptop> ouch
Jun 21 21:55:38 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Jun 21 21:56:17 <DocScrutinizer05> *might* be the graca as well
Jun 21 21:57:03 <DocScrutinizer05> (lenovo T500 with external gfx card)
Jun 21 21:57:46 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a combination of both
Jun 21 21:57:47 <zeq_laptop> external? dockingstation? displaylink?
Jun 21 21:57:59 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, this dual-graca thing
Jun 21 21:58:07 <zeq_laptop> hybrid
Jun 21 21:58:17 <DocScrutinizer05> chipset intl graca plus dedicated
Jun 21 21:59:05 <zeq_laptop> never heard of it and google doesn't seem to help
Jun 21 21:59:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess this AMD graca driver has maybe problems with 8GB RAM
Jun 21 21:59:34 <zeq_laptop> ATI HD5870?
Jun 21 22:00:00 <zeq_laptop> what OS do you use doc?
Jun 21 22:00:07 <zeq_laptop> on the laptop
Jun 21 22:01:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Suse12.1
Jun 21 22:01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650]
Jun 21 22:03:28 <DocScrutinizer05> plus the standard intel chipset integrated gfx
Jun 21 22:03:45 <ShadowJK> latencytop?
Jun 21 22:04:01 <ShadowJK> btw, on Cortex a8, neon can execute in parallell with arm :)
Jun 21 22:04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> windows7 allegedly can switch on the fly
Jun 21 22:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: doesn't help much when ARM doesn't have anything to do meanwhile ;-D
Jun 21 22:05:30 <zeq_laptop> hildon-desktop definite feels snappier
Jun 21 22:05:38 <zeq_laptop> maybe placebo though :)
Jun 21 22:05:44 <DocScrutinizer05> with NEON?
Jun 21 22:05:50 <zeq_laptop> app menu in particular
Jun 21 22:05:58 <zeq_laptop> yes
Jun 21 22:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> or what exactly got changed so it snaps now?
Jun 21 22:06:52 <ShadowJK> It hardly does anything, dunno how it could be snappier :P
Jun 21 22:07:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: scrolling does a bit
Jun 21 22:07:33 <DocScrutinizer05> scaling prolly too
Jun 21 22:07:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and transitions... DUH
Jun 21 22:08:10 <zeq_laptop> I rebased this https://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arceans-hildon-desktop-float on top of the thumb-testing version
Jun 21 22:08:36 <zeq_laptop> then compiled with -fmpu=neon
Jun 21 22:08:51 <zeq_laptop> I wasn't actually expecting a perceptable difference
Jun 21 22:08:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and arceans-HD-float does what? as compared to std hd
Jun 21 22:09:16 <zeq_laptop> elimitates unnecessary usage of double
Jun 21 22:09:23 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Jun 21 22:09:37 <zeq_laptop> VFP and NEON don't really do double
Jun 21 22:09:59 <DocScrutinizer05> well, not wasting 2 registers for one var for sure makes a hellufalot of diff
Jun 21 22:10:15 <DocScrutinizer05> compiler tries to pass function args in registers
Jun 21 22:10:34 <DocScrutinizer05> this limits args to functions to 4 * 32bit iirc
Jun 21 22:10:39 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise stack
Jun 21 22:10:44 <zeq_laptop> yup
Jun 21 22:11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> using 64bit vars obviously defeats the strategy
Jun 21 22:11:26 <DocScrutinizer05> let alone the math
Jun 21 22:12:02 <ShadowJK> hm, I thought hardfp was about passing float/double in registers? And currently the ABI passes float/double on stack?
Jun 21 22:12:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: yup, but aiui NEON regs
Jun 21 22:12:54 <ShadowJK> hm
Jun 21 22:13:09 <jacekowski> it doesn't really matter that much
Jun 21 22:13:13 <jacekowski> stack is cache backed anyways
Jun 21 22:13:32 * ShadowJK vaguely recalls meego people saying it gave speed boost
Jun 21 22:13:51 <jacekowski> yeah, maybe
Jun 21 22:13:57 <jacekowski> i can't see it being huge
Jun 21 22:14:03 <DocScrutinizer05> but you need to push before gosub (err branch), and pop afterwards
Jun 21 22:14:08 <jacekowski> i would say it's somewhere between minimal and immeasurable
Jun 21 22:14:57 <DocScrutinizer05> avoiding uselass doubles in vars makes a lot of sense
Jun 21 22:15:04 <DocScrutinizer05> every day
Jun 21 22:15:38 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: on x86 x86 can execute in parallel with x86 
Jun 21 22:15:48 <ShadowJK> :)
Jun 21 22:15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Jun 21 22:15:52 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: and well, on arm is parallel with arm
Jun 21 22:16:01 <jacekowski> it's not exactly sequential execution 
Jun 21 22:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> massively
Jun 21 22:16:17 <jacekowski> instructions are executed in parallel with each other
Jun 21 22:16:23 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Jun 21 22:17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, past midnight already
Jun 21 22:17:45 <DocScrutinizer05> now that we have a nice bunch of savvy people here, discussing interesting stuff
Jun 21 22:18:31 <ShadowJK> tomorrow is public holiday here
Jun 21 22:18:34 <ShadowJK> midsummer :)
Jun 21 22:18:44 <DocScrutinizer05> haha, you're late
Jun 21 22:18:45 <zeq_laptop> yes, it's a good discussion, but I'd better get to bed!
Jun 21 22:19:28 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq_laptop: I'd appreciate continuing this discussion next day
Jun 21 22:20:01 <zeq_laptop> sounds good DocScrutinizer05. night all!
Jun 21 22:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> n8
Jun 21 22:22:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: wasn't longest day like 4:34 last night?
Jun 21 22:23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or even the night before??
Jun 21 22:23:50 <ShadowJK> maybe, but public holiday in middle of week is pointless
Jun 21 22:24:02 <ShadowJK> you need a long weekend to get rid of hangovers
Jun 21 22:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> aah well, I guess you celebrate midsummer on 22nd of June each year
Jun 21 22:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> or do you actually celebrate on first Friday after astronomical event?
Jun 21 22:25:19 <ShadowJK> "Since 1955, the holiday has always been on a Saturday (between June 20 and June 26). Earlier it was always on June 24. Many of the celebrations of midsummer take place on midsummer eve, when many workplaces are closed and shops must close their doors at noon."
Jun 21 22:25:43 <DocScrutinizer05> hah
Jun 21 22:25:57 <GeneralAntilles>  /Must/?!
Jun 21 22:26:04 <DocScrutinizer05> sooooo, did no "letter" arrive at yours today?
Jun 21 22:26:33 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, yes.
Jun 21 22:26:41 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, or else what?
Jun 21 22:26:49 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, you get fined
Jun 21 22:27:14 <GeneralAntilles> Pff
Jun 21 22:27:18 <GeneralAntilles> That's idiotic.
Jun 21 22:27:28 <GeneralAntilles> Even, say, grocery stores?
Jun 21 22:27:38 <DocScrutinizer05> that's Europe
Jun 21 22:27:43 <GeneralAntilles> Europe is idiotic. :P
Jun 21 22:27:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nothern Eu actually
Jun 21 22:28:08 <DocScrutinizer05> in Spain I think they never got such laws
Jun 21 22:28:37 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05, nope, the tracking number doesn't seem active on finnish post yet
Jun 21 22:28:53 <DocScrutinizer05> use the german website!
Jun 21 22:29:36 <ShadowJK> "Es ist ein Fehler aufgetreten. Der Administator wurde benachrichtigt und wird sich des Problems annehmen."
Jun 21 22:30:06 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jun 21 22:31:29 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that "tracking" is useless anyway. Seems to know two events: delivered to postoffice, and delivered to addressee
Jun 21 22:31:40 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, it depends on the size of the store. A small kiosk or corner shop would be able to stay open. They'd probably have shortened hours too though, the staff is probably anxious to take off their clothes and run off into the forest to celebrate with copious amounts of alcohol
Jun 21 22:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> nuttin in between the two
Jun 21 22:32:26 <ShadowJK> Usually things show up on .fi post website latest when it has arrived in the country, before it's passed on to customs
Jun 21 22:32:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like you really have fun over there
Jun 21 22:32:57 <ShadowJK> I think midsummer is one of the top-3 holidays of the year
Jun 21 22:33:20 <DocScrutinizer05> take off your clothes and run into the forrest with some bottles of Vodka
Jun 21 22:33:31 <DocScrutinizer05> X-P
Jun 21 22:34:48 <Raimu> In Finland, take the vodka and run into a lake
Jun 21 22:34:57 <ShadowJK> I think the culture of having a house or cabin retreat in a hard to reach place, with hardly any comforts of civilization available, is a bit confusing to outsiders too
Jun 21 22:35:29 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jun 21 22:35:30 <ShadowJK> Looks like it'll be nice weather, so I bet there'll be about 40 deaths due to breathing water this year :P
Jun 21 22:35:36 <Raimu> Yes.
Jun 21 22:35:54 <Raimu> Some guys had a deadpool going again - to guess the closest amount of drunken drowning Finn deaths.
Jun 21 22:37:06 <DocScrutinizer05> how many die from getting eaten by mosquitos?
Jun 21 22:37:40 <ShadowJK> Radio was doing a "tell us the most stupid thing you've done on midsummer while intoxicated" show yesterday. One guy called in and said he passed out on an inflatable matress, woke up surrounded by water in every direction, and eventually the next day drifted ashore in another city
Jun 21 22:38:04 <Raimu> Very apocalyptic.
Jun 21 22:38:24 * ShadowJK is mosquito hardened now, took 3 weeks
Jun 21 22:38:50 <ZogG_laptop> hardened?
Jun 21 22:39:09 <DocScrutinizer05> thick varnish of dirt and bodylotion? ;-)
Jun 21 22:39:24 <Raimu> Exposure therapy. :)
Jun 21 22:39:32 <DocScrutinizer05> eeew
Jun 21 22:39:36 <ShadowJK> ZogG_laptop, half of the bites sting a little bit when they happen, after they happened, none leave any lasting itches marks or anything
Jun 21 22:39:51 <ShadowJK> Yeah, exposure therapy..
Jun 21 22:41:37 <DocScrutinizer05> probably the best thing I could do withj a mossi bite is drill it out. with a 10mm drill. Would result in easily healing little injury, compared to what those bites do to me otherwise
Jun 21 22:42:22 <ShadowJK> lol
Jun 21 22:43:04 <freemangordon> vi_: you have something to say 'bout my statement :P
Jun 21 22:43:16 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's raining here, since 30min. Nice! As I can open up the windows now
Jun 21 22:44:05 <Raimu> DocScrutinizer05: Drill @_@
Jun 21 22:44:09 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: get an umbrella
Jun 21 22:44:21 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq, this android download ate all my 8GB RAM for buffers
Jun 21 22:44:33 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: why?
Jun 21 22:44:44 <freemangordon> just in case 
Jun 21 22:45:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm sitting in my living room and enjoy the fresh mossi-less air 
Jun 21 22:45:13 <DocScrutinizer05> from open window
Jun 21 22:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> been a tad *too* hot and hunid the last 3 days
Jun 21 22:45:57 <DocScrutinizer05> humid*
Jun 21 22:45:59 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: and I had several Jacks already, I hope I will be forgiven :)
Jun 21 22:46:15 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jun 21 22:46:44 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads out, direction bedroom
Jun 21 22:52:51 <ZogG_laptop> ShadowJK: i was in army last week, we slept outside - i hardly could fell asleep as i left mouth outside of sleep bag to breath (it was to hot) and all lips were bitten =(
Jun 21 22:55:48 <ShadowJK> I was too tired to care about mosquitos when it eventually was time to sleep, and the southern mosquitos felt benign relative to here
Jun 21 22:57:16 <ZogG_laptop> ShadowJK: i was exosted after training too but still it woke me up all 3 nights =(
Jun 21 22:57:48 <ZogG_laptop> someone told me that mosquito can smell for target for kilometrs
Jun 21 22:57:58 <ZogG_laptop> can be true but hard to imagine
Jun 21 22:58:18 <ShadowJK> I once saw a mosquito trying to bite my N810's display frame, right after I had used it
Jun 21 22:58:21 <ShadowJK> lol
Jun 21 23:00:34 <ZogG_laptop> lol
Jun 21 23:00:46 <ZogG_laptop> he was drinkingpixel
Jun 21 23:01:14 <Raimu> The liquid crystals... they're BLOOD
Jun 21 23:01:32 <ZogG_laptop> my friend told me if you quick enuf to stretch sking where it bits you get he tramped and it can't stop drinking so it explode of over blood, i need to check it
Jun 21 23:02:49 <ZogG_laptop> ShadowJK: you should take a pictue and write slogan " n810 is more than a compiuter, he is my soulmate" (to compare to person)
Jun 21 23:21:23 <Woody14619> Well.. that was fun... But I'm all out of popcorn (and patience for dealing with blowhards...) :)
Jun 21 23:22:36 <GeneralAntilles> Welcome to the life of a community council member.
Jun 21 23:45:20 <Woody14619> Lol... Thanks GA. ;)
Jun 22 00:04:48 <RiD> 'ssup estel.
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