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Jun 28 04:57:45 <Chewtoy> Anyone know where you can get a replacement for the n810 screen? Mine is loosing it's touch capabililty it seems. :/
Jun 28 08:05:12 <vi____> ~Information is not Knowledge
Jun 28 08:05:13 <infobot> vi____: okay
Jun 28 08:05:23 <vi____> ~Knowledge is not Wisdom
Jun 28 08:05:23 <infobot> ...but knowledge is already something else...
Jun 28 08:05:32 <vi____> ~Wisdom is not Truth
Jun 28 08:05:33 <infobot> ...but wisdom is already something else...
Jun 28 08:05:42 <vi____> ~Truth is not Beauty
Jun 28 08:05:43 <infobot> ...but truth is already something else...
Jun 28 08:05:51 <vi____> ~Beauty is not Love
Jun 28 08:05:52 <infobot> ...but beauty is already something else...
Jun 28 08:06:04 <vi____> ~Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence.
Jun 28 08:06:05 <infobot> ...but beauty is already something else...
Jun 28 08:06:17 <vi____> ~Love is not Music
Jun 28 08:06:18 <infobot> If you love is not Music so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
Jun 28 08:06:34 <vi____> ~Music is THE BEST
Jun 28 08:06:34 <infobot> ...but music is already something else...
Jun 28 08:19:11 <StyXman> wtf?
Jun 28 08:32:29 <chem|st> ~forget Information
Jun 28 08:32:30 <infobot> i forgot information, chem|st
Jun 28 08:41:45 <DocScrutinizer51> vi____: stop abusing infobot!
Jun 28 09:24:29 <vi____> DocScrutinizer51: I was just injecting a little culture into this heathen channel!
Jun 28 09:30:34 <vi____> freemangordon: This is what I was talking about some weeks ago when you were discussing adblock.
Jun 28 09:30:37 <vi____> http://sfxpt.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-best-ad-blocking-method/
Jun 28 09:46:31 <teotwaki> so, instead of having the browser do a tiny bit more work
Jun 28 09:46:43 <teotwaki> you get the browser to still do all the requests
Jun 28 09:46:51 <teotwaki> and instead, have another process, that does the matching
Jun 28 09:47:01 <teotwaki> and if need be, send over a 1x1 gif image
Jun 28 09:47:21 <teotwaki> That's just fucking stupid.
Jun 28 09:47:31 <teotwaki> The same amount of CPU time is still being spent on the same stuff
Jun 28 09:48:24 <teotwaki> And here's a hint: blocking ads isn't about the CPU time being consumed, it's about the network exchanges -- so, if instead of the ad servers being slow, it's your fake-ad-hosting server that's slow, your browsing experience is still shit.
Jun 28 09:53:47 <vi____> I think a dedicated 1 pixel local server would be pretty fucking fast.
Jun 28 09:55:37 <DocScrutinizer05> vi____: nothing wrong with culture :-) But please consider infobot factoid database like a wiki wikiwiki, you wouldn't insert a songtext to wikipedia by one line per page either, with first word of line as page topic
Jun 28 09:59:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~information is <reply> Information is not Knowledge \\ Knowledge is not Wisdom \\ Wisdom is not Truth \\ Truth is not Beauty \\ Beauty is not Love \\ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \\ Love is not Music \\ Music is THE BEST
Jun 28 09:59:14 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Jun 28 09:59:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~information
Jun 28 09:59:27 <infobot> Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST
Jun 28 10:02:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and I always thought that's the definition of Aegis, not beauty
Jun 28 10:04:15 <StyXman> vi____: nice page
Jun 28 10:10:31 <zeq> Fennec is the first c++ project I've worked on, I'm not sure if I'm struggling to understand because I'm not yet fully up on the lanaguage or it's just complex as hell...
Jun 28 10:11:02 <freemangordon> zeq: both :P
Jun 28 10:11:25 <zeq> freemangordon: yeah, probably :)
Jun 28 10:12:53 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: is it newest fennec or you optimize the old one?
Jun 28 10:13:43 <zeq> I've always seemed to gravitate towards lower level lanaguages.  I probably felt most comfortable coding in ARM assembler way back in the early '90's!
Jun 28 10:14:20 <zeq> ZogG_lap1op: It's the current version.  freemangordon and I are attempting to port the Qt/XUL version to Maemo5.
Jun 28 10:15:04 <freemangordon> zeq: there were no good compilers back then, the only way to achieve performance was asm
Jun 28 10:15:07 <zeq> ZogG_lap1op: It's mostly going well, but the resizing of widgets on rotation is ... confusing
Jun 28 10:15:15 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: current is the new that hit android with nice tabs and all, just wwant to be sure
Jun 28 10:15:31 <freemangordon> zeq: btw it seems we're not using GL acceleration
Jun 28 10:15:49 <zeq> freemangordon: still seems pretty quick though :)
Jun 28 10:16:00 <freemangordon> ZogG_lap1op: exactly the same, it is v16a1
Jun 28 10:16:06 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: if you succeed than port it to n9 as well =P
Jun 28 10:16:22 <zeq> ZogG_lap1op: it should be available for the N9...?
Jun 28 10:16:29 <freemangordon> zeq: I enabled QGLWidget, but unfortunately all I see is flicker
Jun 28 10:17:05 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: the last one is not
Jun 28 10:17:10 <zeq> freemangordon: I actually saw flicker on the www.bbc.co.uk, not sure why
Jun 28 10:18:47 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uKqyxhEUrBg - that one
Jun 28 10:18:48 <zeq> Is there not a current Fennec build for the N9?
Jun 28 10:19:01 <freemangordon> zeq: by saying flicker, I mean a black screnn, which shows something only when scrolling, but unce you stop, it becomes black again :D
Jun 28 10:19:45 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: i think there is one before that, and last update fails to update for some reason(i think aegis related)
Jun 28 10:19:45 <zeq> freemangordon: no it wasn't that bad. just flickered while scrolling
Jun 28 10:20:01 <ZogG_lap1op> it's 13 as if i remember right
Jun 28 10:20:20 <zeq> ZogG_lap1op: my flash is broken here on my laptop, not got around to fixing it yet
Jun 28 10:20:33 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: what distro?
Jun 28 10:20:41 <zeq> Gentoo :)
Jun 28 10:20:52 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: funtoo here, need help?
Jun 28 10:21:05 <vi____> ~gentoo
Jun 28 10:21:19 <zeq> nah, I'm okay, my Gentoo-fu is strong :P
Jun 28 10:21:53 <ZogG_lap1op> gentoo is source based and the most logical and awesome distro by drobbins
Jun 28 10:22:02 <freemangordon> vi____: seems infobot got tired :)
Jun 28 10:22:07 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: than move to funtoo 
Jun 28 10:22:16 <zeq> ZogG_lap1op: I was the crazy person behind the idea of having automatic multilib support on Gentoo...
Jun 28 10:22:20 <ZogG_lap1op> seems it deosn't know what is gentoo
Jun 28 10:22:28 <zeq> I don't know if you heard about that...?
Jun 28 10:22:39 <ZogG_lap1op> not really
Jun 28 10:23:09 <ZogG_lap1op> but there are few people runing gentoo on n8x0 and on n900
Jun 28 10:23:40 <ZogG_lap1op> i always got confused with their nicks. 
Jun 28 10:24:18 <zeq> OT here, but breifly: Gentoo uses binary version of libs for support of x86 on amd64, my solution was to build x86 versions of the libs (or any other ABI, say armhf support on armel ;) )
Jun 28 10:24:27 <ZogG_lap1op> it's slonopotamus and i think luke-jr and maybe some other people
Jun 28 10:24:43 <zeq> with a special eclass, or built into portage
Jun 28 10:25:40 <zeq> We actually implemented both
Jun 28 10:26:01 <vi____> debian>gentoo
Jun 28 10:26:05 <zeq> lots of resistance from "those above"
Jun 28 10:27:21 <zeq> anyway...
Jun 28 10:28:00 <zeq> ZogG_lap1op: those running Gentoo on the nxx0 use a chroot?
Jun 28 10:28:06 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: as i understand drobbins left because of politics and that they did't want him back, that's why funtoo is way more friendlyy
Jun 28 10:28:24 <zeq> I actually ported Gentoo to the Sharp Zaurus ;)
Jun 28 10:28:51 <zeq> I think I had the first full ARM EABI distro
Jun 28 10:29:20 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: i don't think so
Jun 28 10:29:31 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: when exactly u ported?
Jun 28 10:29:57 <zeq> 2006
Jun 28 10:30:06 <ZogG_lap1op> as far as i know it was some russian guy running gentoo on ppc's from hp with win5 =)
Jun 28 10:30:37 <zeq> I think I had the first full *ARM EABI* distro
Jun 28 10:30:49 <ZogG_lap1op> maybe, maybe not
Jun 28 10:31:55 <zeq> anyway, this is pretty OT
Jun 28 10:32:44 <ZogG_lap1op> yeah =)
Jun 28 10:33:29 <zeq> freemangordon: did you make any progress getting your head around screensize->QRect
Jun 28 10:33:51 <freemangordon> damn it, no :(
Jun 28 10:34:05 <zeq> realitygaps: I noticed something weird
Jun 28 10:34:19 <zeq> sorry wrong completion! :S
Jun 28 10:34:26 <zeq> freemangordon: I noticed something weird
Jun 28 10:34:59 <zeq> when using available* it actually resizes to to full screen initially
Jun 28 10:35:09 <freemangordon> but what buggers things is resize(screenGeometry.size());
Jun 28 10:35:11 <zeq> it then gets resized again
Jun 28 10:35:15 <freemangordon> not the other function
Jun 28 10:35:54 <zeq> could that be related to what I saw ^ ?
Jun 28 10:37:17 <zeq> also putting in a Fullscreen request on the top-level widget  as I mentioned last night gets it very confused about screen geometry and is "messed up" until rotation
Jun 28 10:37:27 <zeq> widgets all over the place
Jun 28 10:37:29 <freemangordon> zeq: i suspect initially it is run in fullscreen 
Jun 28 10:37:31 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 28 10:37:59 <zeq> it was worth a try though :)
Jun 28 10:38:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~gentoo
Jun 28 10:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys gentoo
Jun 28 10:38:16 <infobot> Factoid search of 'gentoo' by key (9): use gentoo ;; gentoo zelot ;; cmd: gentoosmite (.*?) ;; gentoo (http://www.gentoo.org) ;; cmd: gentoo (.*?) ;; gentoo-tc ;; start a gentoo war #DEL# ;; gentoo #DEL# ;; be gentoo barbie.
Jun 28 10:38:52 <zeq> could it be nsWindow::ConstrainPosition changing things after the initial resize?
Jun 28 10:38:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ~gentoo freemangordon
Jun 28 10:38:54 * infobot recompiles freemangordon again
Jun 28 10:39:03 <freemangordon> :D
Jun 28 10:39:11 <freemangordon> zeq: see nsWindow::SetSizeMode(PRInt32 aMode)
Jun 28 10:39:11 <ZogG_lap1op> lol
Jun 28 10:39:47 <vi____> ~gentoosmite DocScrutinizer05 
Jun 28 10:39:48 * infobot spends 6 days recompiling DocScrutinizer05, and when it's all done, DocScrutinizer05 runs 2% slower than previously
Jun 28 10:40:29 <freemangordon> it could be that we start in fullscreen, but because of the rotation either showMaximised or showNormal is called, screwing up the sizing
Jun 28 10:40:36 <freemangordon> zeq: ^^^
Jun 28 10:40:39 <zeq> yeah
Jun 28 10:41:11 <zeq> do we need to set nsSizeMode_Fullscreen?
Jun 28 10:41:22 <freemangordon> zeq: where?
Jun 28 10:41:38 <freemangordon> (most probably yes)
Jun 28 10:41:43 <zeq> in SetSizeMode it's in aMode
Jun 28 10:42:13 <zeq> need to look at what's calling it
Jun 28 10:42:25 <DocScrutinizer05> please don't implement a fake statusbar like e.g. in maps
Jun 28 10:42:37 <freemangordon> yeah, but who calls it, that code is like spaghetti
Jun 28 10:43:16 <zeq> DocScrutinizer05: do you mean title-bar?
Jun 28 10:43:23 <DocScrutinizer05> maps (and canola) are basically fubar regarding this statusbar thing
Jun 28 10:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: invoke maps, you'll find the statusbar (with signal, battery, whatnot icon, some missing(!)) is complete fake
Jun 28 10:44:15 <zeq> Fennec already does this, the only way around it would be true native port rather than getting XUL port working
Jun 28 10:44:26 <DocScrutinizer05> maps working in fullscreen and just emulates the statusbar
Jun 28 10:44:31 <freemangordon> zeq: you mean to always set aMode to fullscreen?
Jun 28 10:44:34 <zeq> DocScrutinizer05: yes, unfortunately this is the case
Jun 28 10:44:40 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Jun 28 10:44:45 <zeq> freemangordon: yes
Jun 28 10:45:00 <zeq> freemangordon: we don't support anything else anyway
Jun 28 10:45:40 <freemangordon> but that should be the case for top-level widgets only, I have NFC for which widget setsizemode is called
Jun 28 10:46:06 <freemangordon> if it is a child that will screw everything
Jun 28 10:46:10 <zeq> the only caller in nsWindow.cpp is nsWindow::Move
Jun 28 10:46:30 <zeq> there it sets Mode_Normal if mIsTopLevel
Jun 28 10:46:49 <freemangordon> what? could be that :)
Jun 28 10:46:51 <zeq> it seems a strange function to be called though
Jun 28 10:46:58 <zeq> could be
Jun 28 10:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: couldn't fennec just use (size_of_screen - statusbar_size) [the magic 58 pixel iirc] and let hildon care about statusbar?
Jun 28 10:47:35 <zeq> hack it to use Fullscreen instead for MAEMO=5
Jun 28 10:48:25 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui H-D will care to composite in the statusbar
Jun 28 10:48:37 <DocScrutinizer05> when the app isn't in fullscreen_mode
Jun 28 10:48:40 <freemangordon> 56
Jun 28 10:48:45 <DocScrutinizer05> or 56
Jun 28 10:49:06 <zeq> DocScrutinizer05: unfortunately the XUL mobile app would look really weird like tha
Jun 28 10:49:09 <zeq> that*
Jun 28 10:49:10 <freemangordon> zeq: done, compiling
Jun 28 10:49:16 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: why?
Jun 28 10:50:15 <zeq> DocScrutinizer05: because it would have 2x close and 2x dashboard icons
Jun 28 10:50:31 <freemangordon> :D:D:D
Jun 28 10:50:51 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe you could just #ifdef out those surplus things from fennec?
Jun 28 10:50:56 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; had a note from mailman yesterday. Attempted deliver of registered letter failed, pick up from post office. haven't been able to do that yet though
Jun 28 10:51:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: yeah, sorry for that
Jun 28 10:51:33 <zeq> DocScrutinizer05: *sigh* ... can we just get it working first? :P
Jun 28 10:51:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: but your story about busdriver and gas staion lady scared me a bit ;-)
Jun 28 10:51:55 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: sure
Jun 28 10:52:00 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: just suggesting
Jun 28 10:52:09 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: you're the developer
Jun 28 10:52:37 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: just thought it's kinda on topic with what you just discussed
Jun 28 10:52:49 <zeq> The right way to do what you're suggesting would be a native port, the same as is done for Android.  At that point you're pretty much re-implemeting microb...
Jun 28 10:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think it's soooo much complication coming with just kicking out the fake statusbar and allowing fennec to run in non fulscreen-mode
Jun 28 10:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> but as mentioned above, you are the devel
Jun 28 10:55:09 <zeq> DocScrutinizer05: we'd need to implement a new URL/tab system too
Jun 28 10:55:19 <zeq> the UI is tightly integrated
Jun 28 10:55:22 <DocScrutinizer05> aah, it's on same line?
Jun 28 10:55:25 <Hurrian> freemangordon: ping
Jun 28 10:56:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, I think I see your point
Jun 28 10:56:21 <freemangordon> Hurrian: pong
Jun 28 10:57:16 <zeq> it's certainly doable; by not using XUL at all, and re-implenting the functionality H-D style (like MicroB), but that's a huge undertaking... would be pretty straightfoward though if we had access to the MicroB sources....
Jun 28 10:57:27 <Hurrian> freemangordon: is it alright to upgrade to cssu-thumb from cssu-testing?
Jun 28 10:57:28 <qwazix> fennec on harmattan doesn't have either close nor dashboard, isn't on that your basing your work?
Jun 28 10:57:38 <Lava_Croft> Hurrian: no
Jun 28 10:57:46 <Lava_Croft> Hurrian: as always with CSSU, reflash is required
Jun 28 10:57:52 <freemangordon> Hurrian: it is OK
Jun 28 10:58:08 <Hurrian> cool.
Jun 28 10:58:21 <freemangordon> CSSU-thumb installs CSSU-T repo too
Jun 28 10:58:23 <zeq> qwazix: not used fennec on harmattan, can you desribe it, bear in mind we're talking about 16a1
Jun 28 10:58:56 <Lava_Croft> oh lol
Jun 28 10:59:27 <qwazix> zeq: http://funzfever.com/wp-content/uploads/fennec_n9_140811-570x495-570x494.jpg
Jun 28 10:59:52 <zeq> qwazix: interesting
Jun 28 11:00:11 <zeq> freemangordon: have you seen ^
Jun 28 11:00:17 <freemangordon> qwazix: the same, excuding branding
Jun 28 11:00:19 <Lava_Croft> fennec on n9 is a bit weird with the Swipe ui
Jun 28 11:00:23 <qwazix> At first, there wasn't even a back button in the url screen see http://my-meego.com/grafika/fennec.jpg. The back arrow on the right was missing
Jun 28 11:00:41 <zeq> that's an issue ;)
Jun 28 11:00:48 <freemangordon> zeq: Harmattan swipe screws up swipe functionality :D
Jun 28 11:00:55 <Lava_Croft> not entirely
Jun 28 11:01:05 <Lava_Croft> but you have to keep more to the center to use fennec's swipe UI
Jun 28 11:01:15 <qwazix> so a diff with harmattan fennec source could show how you can get rid of those controls
Jun 28 11:01:18 <Lava_Croft> it takes a bit to get used to, its not exactly elegant
Jun 28 11:01:31 <zeq> qwazix: it's the same source
Jun 28 11:01:33 <Lava_Croft> but it works
Jun 28 11:01:44 <zeq> qwazix: the difference is Harm uses MEEGOTOUCH
Jun 28 11:02:00 <zeq> there are #ifdefs throughout the code
Jun 28 11:02:16 <qwazix> that means that there is a conditional somewhere who decides to show back and dashboard buttons
Jun 28 11:02:34 <qwazix> according to platform
Jun 28 11:02:53 <qwazix> if you decide you want h-d top bar you could nullify those code blocks
Jun 28 11:02:56 <zeq> yes, that does seem to be the case.
Jun 28 11:03:07 <zeq> freemangordon: what do you think?
Jun 28 11:03:19 <freemangordon> qwazix: that wouldn't be so simplem because of the address bar
Jun 28 11:03:48 <qwazix> freemangordon: I'm not sure I understand
Jun 28 11:04:31 <freemangordon> hmm, it night work if we get rid of teskbar and close buttons only
Jun 28 11:04:38 <freemangordon> *taskbar
Jun 28 11:05:07 <freemangordon> leaving address field intact
Jun 28 11:05:19 <freemangordon> s/address/url/
Jun 28 11:05:20 <infobot> freemangordon meant: leaving url field intact
Jun 28 11:05:24 <zeq> freemangordon: would we then just need to start "minimized"
Jun 28 11:05:46 <freemangordon> no, we have to start normal
Jun 28 11:05:48 <zeq> ok
Jun 28 11:06:15 <zeq> that should leave the H-D bar in place?
Jun 28 11:06:58 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 28 11:07:00 <qwazix> yes that's what I meant, and that's what the "default" behavior of fennec is (assuming android is 'default' fennec distro)
Jun 28 11:07:16 <zeq> Fennec seem to have different layouts for different modes
Jun 28 11:07:42 <zeq> Android is a special case
Jun 28 11:08:49 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: why would fremantle top/status-bar replace or substituate back and dashboard buttons?
Jun 28 11:09:47 <freemangordon> zeq: i've changed it, now we will see if fullscreen theory is correct. if we go fullscreen on rotation, this is it.
Jun 28 11:10:03 <zeq> build complete?
Jun 28 11:10:12 <freemangordon> no, still running
Jun 28 11:10:41 <qwazix> zeq: ok, maemo was the first one IIRC so that might be the 'default' behavior, DocScrutinizer05: we are talking about maemo dashboard, and close button, not navigation controls within the browser
Jun 28 11:11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> the point about fake statusbar in maps is: it needs to implement stuff in maps that genuinely is done by H-D, like invoking dahsboard
Jun 28 11:11:43 <freemangordon> i stopped it to change mGraphicsView->showFullScreen(); to mGraphicsView->showNormal(); in nsFastStartup.cpp
Jun 28 11:11:44 <DocScrutinizer05> on HARM you got no such thing like a dashboard button
Jun 28 11:12:11 <zeq> freemangordon: ok good test :)
Jun 28 11:12:13 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05: yes, neither close button
Jun 28 11:12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> on HARM you also usually don't have a close button upper right
Jun 28 11:12:37 <DocScrutinizer05> on fremantle however both are kinda mandatory
Jun 28 11:12:57 <qwazix> yes and they'll be provided by hildon desktop
Jun 28 11:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod: - but only if you don't run the app in fullscreen mode
Jun 28 11:13:46 <zeq> with a fullscreen exit button bottom righ
Jun 28 11:13:52 <zeq> right*
Jun 28 11:13:58 <freemangordon> but you anyway don;t need them when in fullscreen
Jun 28 11:14:52 <qwazix> true, and this is more consistent with M5 gui guidelines
Jun 28 11:14:57 <DocScrutinizer05> which is what maps does (and canola?) - and maps emulates the whole stus/menu-bar while canola you are kinda screwed 
Jun 28 11:15:48 <freemangordon> qwazix: :nod:. actually zeq wants that implemented, it was me to agrue :D
Jun 28 11:16:09 <freemangordon> not anymore
Jun 28 11:16:14 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc you got exactly two options in canola: exit the app, or use hw-kbd ctrl-backspace
Jun 28 11:16:18 <vi____> xbindkeys ctrl+space for fullscreen is on of the most usefull shortcuts.
Jun 28 11:16:29 <vi____> ^on/one
Jun 28 11:17:13 <DocScrutinizer05> not quite in line with usual keybindings, which seem to be: ctrl-enter for toggling fullscreen mode
Jun 28 11:17:24 <qwazix> vi____: english native speaker?
Jun 28 11:17:38 <vi_> ..yes.
Jun 28 11:17:45 <vi_> why?
Jun 28 11:17:59 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: is not horny anymore? where are all the rest ___
Jun 28 11:18:01 <qwazix> ctrl+space switches languages on the N900 :D
Jun 28 11:18:07 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 28 11:18:15 <freemangordon> :D
Jun 28 11:18:18 <vi_> orly?
Jun 28 11:18:24 <freemangordon> rly
Jun 28 11:18:27 <vi_> How would I know what language I am on.
Jun 28 11:18:29 <vi_> ?
Jun 28 11:18:38 <qwazix> type something...
Jun 28 11:18:42 <vi_> When you say language do you mean keymap?
Jun 28 11:18:47 <qwazix> yep
Jun 28 11:18:49 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: there is applet for that, but you can't see it on fullscreen app i think
Jun 28 11:18:55 <DocScrutinizer05> xchat toggles fs-mode by ctrl-enter
Jun 28 11:19:07 <vi_> well Il be.
Jun 28 11:19:24 <freemangordon> zeq: linking libxul
Jun 28 11:19:35 <vi_> That perhaps explains why SOMETIMES (like twice) my keyboard has gone batshit insane and none of my keys work as they should.
Jun 28 11:19:54 <vi_> ZogG_lap1op: appletts are gay.
Jun 28 11:19:57 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: i got an email btw it's n950 =P
Jun 28 11:20:08 <vi_> It is all about the xterm.
Jun 28 11:20:09 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: you say it like it's something bad =P
Jun 28 11:20:55 <vi_> It is okay, I meant gay in the pejorative sense.
Jun 28 11:20:56 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: than use tmux and write script for indification of language. you can add it to your promt in bash i think too
Jun 28 11:21:23 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: there is russian joke to answer to negative things "you say it like it's bad"
Jun 28 11:22:27 * zeq is going to grab some lunch
Jun 28 11:23:05 <Lava_Croft> i think i didnt saw some hick talk about how things are 'gay'
Jun 28 11:23:08 <Lava_Croft> naw, i didnt
Jun 28 11:23:20 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: bon appetite
Jun 28 11:23:28 <zeq> then I really need to go buy some coffee... ran out yesterday!
Jun 28 11:24:06 <ZogG_lap1op> zeq: i want to switch to tea only, the chinise tea and learn all the tradition they do it and serve it
Jun 28 11:24:29 <Lava_Croft> tea is for the different occasion than coffee
Jun 28 11:24:31 <vi_> ZogG_lap1op: that seems like a really motivation to become a tea drinker.
Jun 28 11:24:32 <Lava_Croft> tha/a
Jun 28 11:24:55 <Lava_Croft> waking up with tea makes you start the day all mellow
Jun 28 11:24:57 <leochencipher> try green tea first and never ever add sugar 
Jun 28 11:24:59 <ZogG_lap1op> anyway i need to go to make my volunteer hours in volunteer organization that helps people... so shower and bike ride =)
Jun 28 11:25:03 <freemangordon> ZogG_lap1op: on the side note: don't you think it is fair to post a link to the chat that happened on IRC, instead of interpreting it?
Jun 28 11:25:35 <freemangordon> That way everyine can draw his own conclusions, agree?
Jun 28 11:25:37 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: you are free to do it. Estel_ said he would do it.
Jun 28 11:26:02 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: i just don't feel posting the log everytime and i think i actually posted link to some chat already
Jun 28 11:26:47 <freemangordon> ZogG_lap1op: vi_ can confirm I am free to say/do whatever I want, but that is not the point. 
Jun 28 11:26:52 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: agreed, but after i saw the way he answers the Jaffa on maillist i don't agree it's a language problem =\
Jun 28 11:27:37 <freemangordon> my point is still valid, I don't think it is fair to interpret a logged IRC chat
Jun 28 11:27:44 <freemangordon> just post the link to it
Jun 28 11:28:11 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: i posted the link earlier actually
Jun 28 11:28:26 <vi_> Everyone is free to say/do whatever they want.  It is the consequances that are the problem.
Jun 28 11:28:41 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: that's exactly the point
Jun 28 11:29:18 <ZogG_lap1op> if you actually maybe said reasoable thing, i think he took it as exuse other wise jokes like "how do i say it now" or "slav mod" wouldn't be there
Jun 28 11:29:25 <ZogG_lap1op> but i'll add the link
Jun 28 11:30:43 <vi_> what the f'ing f.
Jun 28 11:30:57 <vi_> Nokia developer does not accept my user name and password.
Jun 28 11:31:16 <vi_> It will not even send me the 'forgot password' email.
Jun 28 11:31:53 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: go to ovi and log in they have now the single account thing AFAIK
Jun 28 11:32:56 <vi_> none fo this horseshit works.
Jun 28 11:34:45 <vi_> Ok.  This fubar.
Jun 28 11:34:59 <vi_> I have got it to recognise my username but it is filled out with someone elses details.
Jun 28 11:35:04 <vi_> WTF.
Jun 28 11:36:00 <freemangordon> vi_: they are migrating DB it seems
Jun 28 11:36:16 <zeq> freemangordon: maybe I shouldn't have tried turning on OGL widgets at the same time ;)
Jun 28 11:36:58 <zeq> vblank issue?
Jun 28 11:37:20 <vi_> Then how come my account is now populated with someones else address? and telphone number.
Jun 28 11:37:29 <vi_> WHERE THE F IS MY N950 BEING SENT TOO??
Jun 28 11:37:51 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: did you get mail?
Jun 28 11:37:55 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jun 28 11:38:29 <DocScrutinizer05> vi_: contact nokia care *immediately*
Jun 28 11:38:38 <DocScrutinizer05> provide screenshots
Jun 28 11:38:39 <Lava_Croft> oh my vi_ 
Jun 28 11:38:44 <Lava_Croft> listen to DocScrutinizer05 
Jun 28 11:38:59 <zeq> Someone hacked the account???
Jun 28 11:39:07 <vi_> papa new guinea??
Jun 28 11:39:11 <Lava_Croft> what?
Jun 28 11:39:12 <zeq> wow
Jun 28 11:39:13 <Lava_Croft> lol
Jun 28 11:39:26 <zeq> people really want N950s!
Jun 28 11:39:33 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: not all people got mails yet
Jun 28 11:40:05 <zeq> vi_: get on the phone to them
Jun 28 11:40:47 <chem|st> vi_: I'm checking my account just now...
Jun 28 11:40:57 <freemangordon> I still don't have mail
Jun 28 11:41:02 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: oh you have wrong address, you should check before
Jun 28 11:41:25 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: i can give the mail of person who send me the mail from nokia to ask him
Jun 28 11:41:27 <freemangordon> but just been able to connect my nokia account with my developer one
Jun 28 11:41:31 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: do you want?
Jun 28 11:41:35 <vi_> please
Jun 28 11:41:47 * vi_ phoneing now
Jun 28 11:42:00 * vi_ DOES NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOT THE F'ING LUMIA800
Jun 28 11:42:30 <ZogG_lap1op> lol
Jun 28 11:43:36 <chem|st> hehe, successfully linked accounts and my details seem to be the same
Jun 28 11:43:50 <freemangordon> my city was missing :(
Jun 28 11:44:08 <freemangordon> nearest city. WTF?
Jun 28 11:44:15 <chem|st> freemangordon: as you speak yes city is missing
Jun 28 11:44:42 <freemangordon> chem|st: do you have a mailf from nokia?
Jun 28 11:44:57 <vi_> ZogG_lap1op: what did the mail say?
Jun 28 11:45:57 <vi_> did it say the device had been shipped?
Jun 28 11:46:41 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: it was forward from DHL, and than i mailed him to ask if it's n9 or n950 and he answered it's n950 than it's person and not a bot
Jun 28 11:46:47 <chem|st> about the merge yes about my device no
Jun 28 11:47:18 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: use the address line to write your city
Jun 28 11:47:50 <Hurrian> hmm, haven't got my DHL mail yet
Jun 28 11:47:58 <Hurrian> should I be linking the nokia accounts?
Jun 28 11:48:16 <freemangordon> ZogG_lap1op: by what logic when there is a field for a city?
Jun 28 11:48:19 <chem|st> Hurrian: yes, and look if your details are right in there
Jun 28 11:48:41 <chem|st> freemangordon: I added it up in nearest city AND addline2
Jun 28 11:48:43 * vi_ approaches problem like a boss.
Jun 28 11:48:55 <ZogG_lap1op> Hurrian: just check the developer account and if you have address and data there, as well if in setting you don't have developer account thing, you may tell it to qguil
Jun 28 11:49:06 <vi_> called customer support, got through to some backwater shit hole call centre.  This is pointless.
Jun 28 11:49:16 <freemangordon> chem|st: hmm, okm but what about country then
Jun 28 11:49:23 <vi_> Remembered I have a dirrect number for UK escalations.
Jun 28 11:49:26 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: the logic is you want to get device or not =)
Jun 28 11:49:27 <chem|st> freemangordon: location?
Jun 28 11:49:41 <Hurrian> I just noticed that Nokia says "user@example.com" when you're supposed to use your old developer name.
Jun 28 11:49:45 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: use the mail i gave you or qguil mail
Jun 28 11:50:08 <ZogG_lap1op> Hurrian: maybe it's single account migration thing
Jun 28 11:50:12 <ZogG_lap1op> ok i'm late
Jun 28 11:50:15 <chem|st> Hurrian: lol I just used the username and password from before
Jun 28 11:50:16 <ZogG_lap1op> gonna go
Jun 28 11:50:25 <ZogG_lap1op> chem|st: i think both work
Jun 28 11:50:26 <freemangordon> chem|st: yes, there is location and city. if I add city to address, then I should add country too.
Jun 28 11:50:44 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_: use the mail i gave you
Jun 28 11:51:47 <chem|st> freemangordon: ah that you mean, no that is by location but nearest city is something I do not call an address field... postal code may include countrycode but that is obsolete iirc
Jun 28 11:52:13 <freemangordon> well, I added it to address line 1
Jun 28 11:52:30 <chem|st> Estel_: Woody14619 ping
Jun 28 11:52:34 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: btw check hte city with first letters, as mine had "'" in the name =)
Jun 28 11:52:53 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: so i thought it's not there at first
Jun 28 11:52:54 <chem|st> would you guys mind to get in touch with quim about this account merging disaster?!
Jun 28 11:53:19 <ZogG_lap1op> chem|st: the fastest thing to post on TMO i think or send him mail directly
Jun 28 11:53:37 <zeq> freemangordon: could it be trying to use gles1? http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/qt_with_opengl_es_1-1_on_maemo-_n900/
Jun 28 11:54:11 <freemangordon> ZogG_lap1op: I didn't understand what you mean 
Jun 28 11:55:14 <freemangordon> zeq: it draws, but is overwritten with black
Jun 28 11:55:23 <vi_> Does anyone have an email address for qgil?
Jun 28 11:55:24 <freemangordon> don;t think it is the same
Jun 28 11:55:36 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: in nearest city thing i looked for my city as Givataim and didn;t find it there, after i typed giv only and found it was giv'ataim or something like that. it might be speelled wrong there
Jun 28 11:56:21 <vi_> ~seen qgil
Jun 28 11:56:23 <freemangordon> ZogG_lap1op: I don't have a list here, have to type it by hand
Jun 28 11:56:26 <infobot> qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 274d 13h 9m 53s ago, saying: 'ok, time to leave and join the Qt chapter - Siicon Valley. See you around!'.
Jun 28 11:56:42 <ZogG_lap1op> vi_:  quim.gil (at) the company he works (dot) com AFAIK
Jun 28 11:56:58 <ZogG_lap1op> freemangordon: it autocompete
Jun 28 11:57:14 <ZogG_lap1op> ok i need to go
Jun 28 11:58:27 <iDont> Just read the chanlog, I haven't got an email from DHL either, though my address details are correct
Jun 28 11:58:42 <freemangordon> anyone got email?
Jun 28 11:58:51 <iDont> "Nearest City" was empty though, after linking accounts
Jun 28 11:59:00 <freemangordon> yeah, same here
Jun 28 12:01:46 <iDont> well, qgil has stated that the devices will be shipped by the end of this week
Jun 28 12:02:13 <zeq> freemangordon: how did the build go?
Jun 28 12:02:32 <iDont> so I suppose I'll be waiting a few more days for the e-mail from DHL to arrive :)
Jun 28 12:06:22 <zeq> freemangordon: I tried something similar.  It almost works with screenGeometry now.  Although, maybe we just didn't notice this before, but the side widgets are resized correctly to the screen, it's just the page view that isn't getting resized.
Jun 28 12:06:58 <Hurrian> whelp, it seems like the SSO tried my old account before the new one, even if I did type it in lowercase.
Jun 28 12:07:07 <zeq> (I changed showFullScreen() to showNormal() in nsFastStartupQt.cpp
Jun 28 12:07:12 <zeq> )
Jun 28 12:07:18 <Hurrian> both accounts point to the same email, so it shouldn't be a problem, but ugh.
Jun 28 12:07:18 <vi_> I do not mind waiting, I just don't want it to go to some SHIT EATING SCAMMER in papa new guinea.
Jun 28 12:07:34 <zeq> freemangordon: I'm off out now, I'll be back later.
Jun 28 12:08:37 <Jaffa> ZogG_lap1op: Did you mean andre rather than Jaffa? Not sure I've posted to the ML recently
Jun 28 12:08:57 <iDont> vi_, maybe your account got linked to someone else's as well, like Hurrian's account?
Jun 28 12:09:12 <vi_> iDont: that sounds likely
Jun 28 12:09:26 <vi_> but who would blindly merge two databases?
Jun 28 12:09:33 <vi_> what if two users have the same user name?
Jun 28 12:09:48 <Hurrian> vi_, Nokia.
Jun 28 12:09:54 <vi_> -_-
Jun 28 12:10:00 <iDont> indeed, this shouldn't happen
Jun 28 12:10:23 <ZogG_lap1op> Jaffa: true, second time i got you mixed =\
Jun 28 12:10:45 <Hurrian> well, uhh, since qgil said they wont be leaving before the end of the week, shouldn't someone ask qgil to double-check before any real fubar happens?
Jun 28 12:11:05 <vi_> Hurrian: Something fubar HAS happened.
Jun 28 12:12:21 <Hurrian> well, before the postage stamps get put on and it heads out of dhl.
Jun 28 12:12:47 <ZogG_lap1op> Hurrian: add to your post about other cases and people like vi_ so he would look globally
Jun 28 12:12:58 <ZogG_lap1op> and that everyone would check their addresses
Jun 28 12:13:49 <Hurrian> ...and added.
Jun 28 12:17:02 <Hurrian> side note, anybody got their DHL mails for CA devices yet?
Jun 28 12:18:11 <freemangordon_> seems noone :-) 
Jun 28 12:19:37 <Hurrian> that's good. i'll be out in a few, but someone needs to get qgil to see the thread/get an email about it.
Jun 28 12:27:06 <iDont> I've added my city to the first address line as well, "Nearest City" doesn't sound quite right
Jun 28 12:31:27 <iDont> freemangordon, Estel suggested me to approach you about inclusion of bb-power's thumb build in the thumb repo
Jun 28 12:31:49 <iDont> however, AFAICS there is only community-thumb, which is used for CSSU-thumb and not regular packages
Jun 28 12:33:55 <vi_> qgil now knows.
Jun 28 12:34:00 <vi_> phew.
Jun 28 12:39:23 <vi_> iDont: you are using thumb?
Jun 28 12:39:37 <iDont> vi_, yes
Jun 28 12:40:50 <iDont> it shrinks the binary size quite a bit :)
Jun 28 12:42:14 <vi_> are you seeing a reduction in memory footprint on a freshly booted system?
Jun 28 12:42:34 <vi_> If so could you hazard a guess as to how much?
Jun 28 12:43:25 <iDont> I haven't really checked, but I assume there is
Jun 28 12:44:19 <iDont> I took freemangordon's word on it in the thumb thread ;)
Jun 28 12:45:41 <vi_> !
Jun 28 12:45:55 <iDont> ?
Jun 28 12:46:21 <iDont> anyway, it's saving some rootfs space, that's for sure
Jun 28 12:48:15 <freemangordon> iDont: there should be no problem to put BB in the same repo
Jun 28 12:48:51 <freemangordon> it will just sit there, no mp-thingie will depend on it
Jun 28 12:49:32 <iDont> freemangordon, that is great :). Are there any objections to inclusion?
Jun 28 12:50:09 <vi_> I object...
Jun 28 12:50:15 <vi_> ...you did not do it sooner.
Jun 28 12:52:55 <iDont> vi_, I'll try harder next time ;)
Jun 28 12:53:39 <freemangordon> iDont: you'd better post the question in thumb thread on TMO. BTW ist it me who is supposed to build it and upload it in the repo?
Jun 28 12:55:10 <iDont> freemangordon, I'm not sure how the repository is currently managed, I was only pointed to you. If I can manage the package myself, then you don't have to do anything ofc
Jun 28 12:57:05 <freemangordon> iDont: it is managed with dput and ssh. you may asm merlin1991 for access. And you should use gcc >= 4.6.2 for compilation
Jun 28 12:57:17 <freemangordon> s/asm/ask/
Jun 28 12:57:17 <infobot> freemangordon meant: iDont: it is managed with dput and ssh. you may ask merlin1991 for access. And you should use gcc >= 4.6.2 for compilation
Jun 28 12:58:12 <iDont> freemangordon, thanks, will do. The current thumb package is already build with GCC 4.6.2
Jun 28 12:58:50 <freemangordon> current package? which one
Jun 28 12:59:05 <freemangordon> BB?
Jun 28 12:59:20 <iDont> yes, I've got a thumb deb hosted on busybox-power's garage page
Jun 28 12:59:27 <freemangordon> aah, ok
Jun 28 12:59:29 <iDont> sorry if I wasn't clear
Jun 28 12:59:41 <freemangordon> np
Jun 28 12:59:49 <freemangordon> merlin1991: ping
Jun 28 12:59:55 <merlin1991> pong
Jun 28 13:00:21 <iDont> merlin1991, I've just talked with freemangordon about inclusion of busybox-power in community-thumb
Jun 28 13:00:38 <iDont> is it possible for me to get upload rights for the package?
Jun 28 13:00:46 <freemangordon> merlin1991: what is your policy re adding developers which are not a part of CSSU to your -devel and -thumb ACL
Jun 28 13:01:12 <freemangordon> actually we've never discuss that
Jun 28 13:01:21 <iDont> ah
Jun 28 13:01:33 <freemangordon> iDont: yeah :)
Jun 28 13:01:43 <merlin1991> freemangordon: thumb is you baby, thus your policy (if you have one) applies, but I'd feel from comfortable if you *safeguard* the access in a sense that you upload the stuff
Jun 28 13:01:56 <freemangordon> iDont: but I was tallking to merlin1991
Jun 28 13:02:06 <iDont> woops
Jun 28 13:02:45 <merlin1991> also I never took the time to properly set access rights for stuff on the server, thus I don't feel so good about giving a big amount of people access to it :D
Jun 28 13:02:55 <freemangordon> merlin1991: :nod:
Jun 28 13:03:04 <freemangordon> ok, agreed
Jun 28 13:04:24 <freemangordon> iDont: so, I need the package built with -sa -us -uc -I.git
Jun 28 13:05:04 <freemangordon> also you have to add the correct dependencies in the control file, look at some of the thumb packages for an example
Jun 28 13:05:29 <freemangordon> I mean the dependency to kernel-errata-workaround
Jun 28 13:05:55 <freemangordon> also you should add -thumbN (where N is the thumb version) in debian/changelog
Jun 28 13:06:04 <iDont> freemangordon, thanks, I'll do that. I'll also have to change the debian version so thumb if preffered over the reglar package
Jun 28 13:06:08 <iDont> okay
Jun 28 13:06:50 <freemangordon> iDont: if you have c++ code, thean a dependency to libstdc++ thumb version is olso needed
Jun 28 13:06:54 <freemangordon> *also
Jun 28 13:06:59 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 13:07:00 <freemangordon> ?
Jun 28 13:07:40 <iDont> there is no c++ code. I will do everything you said re dependencies and version string
Jun 28 13:07:59 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 13:08:53 <freemangordon> iDont: you may alwasy use thumb-testing branch in CSSU repo on gitorious for a reference
Jun 28 13:09:12 <freemangordon> for packaging stuff, compiler switches, etc
Jun 28 13:09:36 <iDont> will do, thanks for all the pointers, much appreciated
Jun 28 13:09:56 <freemangordon> np :)
Jun 28 13:10:12 <freemangordon> I am still wating you to join me and Pali :P
Jun 28 13:11:19 <iDont> hehe :P. Well, at this moment it's more of a time issue, but I'm open for discussion.
Jun 28 13:11:55 <iDont> are there any specific areas you guys are lacking a pair of hands?
Jun 28 13:12:14 <freemangordon> what?
Jun 28 13:12:27 <freemangordon> well, kernel and CSSU, nothing more
Jun 28 13:12:46 <merlin1991> but CSSU is a pretty big one ;)
Jun 28 13:13:45 <iDont> yeah, I can imagine that :)
Jun 28 13:14:10 <freemangordon> yeah, kernel is a little boy. but hey, we're feeding him dayly, so some day he will grow up.
Jun 28 13:14:36 <freemangordon> merlin1991: luf still mia?
Jun 28 13:14:36 <merlin1991> freemangordon:  :D
Jun 28 13:15:01 <merlin1991> yea
Jun 28 13:15:05 <freemangordon> :(
Jun 28 13:15:25 <merlin1991> I have no email, and tmo pm is disabled for him :D
Jun 28 13:15:39 <freemangordon> dang
Jun 28 13:16:16 <freemangordon> merlin1991: isn't there e-mail connected with his TMO account?
Jun 28 13:16:30 <merlin1991> I think not visible, but I can check again
Jun 28 13:17:55 <freemangordon> merlin1991, there is
Jun 28 13:18:08 <merlin1991> okay will send an email then
Jun 28 13:18:30 <freemangordon> "    * Send a message via email to luf"
Jun 28 13:18:32 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 13:21:27 <zeq> freemangordon: while I was out buying coffee, I was having a think about the widget layout.  The total height is determined by the sum of height of location widget and length of side widgets.  The total width is dertermined by the width of the side panel (if open) plus the page view width.  When rotating to portait the height of the widgets excluding page area is correctly calculated, page area doesn't change, so width is off 
Jun 28 13:22:25 <freemangordon> :nod:
Jun 28 13:22:47 * freemangordon runs for coffee
Jun 28 13:24:32 <freemangordon> zeq: I still didn't do the experiment correctly, hopefully this time I will have the result
Jun 28 13:24:45 <freemangordon> (ance the compilation completes)
Jun 28 13:25:03 <zeq> ok. keep an eye on the side panel widgets
Jun 28 13:25:42 <freemangordon> yeah, they are always correct
Jun 28 13:27:07 * zeq needs to go mow the lawn
Jun 28 13:27:47 <zeq> I'll do some more thinking ;)
Jun 28 13:28:08 <zeq> I'm sure if we can get our head around it, the solution will be simple.
Jun 28 13:29:51 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 14:01:05 <zeq> freemangordon: I think we've been going about this the wrong way.  I removed the orientationChanged notifier and it does exactly the same thing. (sometimes it works perfectly; usually the view area doesn't get resized)  What we need to do on orientationChanged is get just force the page view to resize, maybe we need to calculate it, but given it occasionally works anyway, the code must be in there somewhere anyway.  Back to mo
Jun 28 14:01:49 <freemangordon> zeq: agree on that
Jun 28 14:03:48 <zeq> freemangordon: I think it's more likely to work when a page is loading...
Jun 28 14:04:19 <zeq> (just tried it)
Jun 28 14:04:48 <zeq> view area tends to get resized during page load
Jun 28 14:05:33 <freemangordon> zeq: it could be a problem of graphicswidget/view itself, in one of my projects where i use qgraphicsview there is such code:
Jun 28 14:05:52 <freemangordon> setViewportUpdateMode(QGraphicsView::BoundingRectViewportUpdate);
Jun 28 14:05:59 <freemangordon> setCacheMode(QGraphicsView::CacheBackground);
Jun 28 14:06:08 <freemangordon> setSizePolicy(QSizePolicy::Expanding, QSizePolicy::Expanding);
Jun 28 14:06:28 <zeq> can you try that?
Jun 28 14:06:38 <freemangordon> on which widget?
Jun 28 14:06:48 <freemangordon> view?
Jun 28 14:06:59 <zeq> which widget is the main content?
Jun 28 14:07:55 <zeq> freemangordon: I'm learning this as I go along ;)
Jun 28 14:08:06 <trx> set that on QGraphicsWidget that's displaying the content
Jun 28 14:08:22 <freemangordon> the problem is how to identify it :D
Jun 28 14:08:24 <trx> it will improve performance greatly
Jun 28 14:08:31 <trx> also scrolling will be faster
Jun 28 14:08:53 <zeq> trx: do you want to look at the code?
Jun 28 14:08:55 <trx> yes
Jun 28 14:09:12 <freemangordon> trx: this is from the code i wrote, unfortunately almost 2 years ago
Jun 28 14:09:27 <zeq> https://github.com/sjnewbury/fennec-qt-maemo5
Jun 28 14:09:45 <freemangordon> widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp
Jun 28 14:09:54 <trx> i use setViewportUpdateMode(QGraphicsView::BoundingRectViewportUpdate); i believe in my code editor to gain speed
Jun 28 14:10:00 <trx> and resolve drawing issues
Jun 28 14:10:04 <luke-jr> zeq: Gentoo is bootable on both N8x0 and N900
Jun 28 14:10:13 <freemangordon> and widget/qt/mozqwidget.cpp
Jun 28 14:10:23 <freemangordon> trx: ^^^
Jun 28 14:10:35 <trx> freemangordon will check, ty
Jun 28 14:10:39 <freemangordon> ty
Jun 28 14:10:46 * zeq will be back later
Jun 28 14:13:25 <vi_> ~gentoosmite luke-jr 
Jun 28 14:13:26 * infobot spends 6 weeks recompiling luke-jr, and when it's all done, luke-jr runs 3% slower than previously
Jun 28 14:18:12 <trx> freemangordon, i had another look at my code, setCacheMode(QGraphicsItem::ItemCoordinateCache) is the flag that greatly improved scrolling and fixed some drawing issues where chunks of text was invisible in my code editor
Jun 28 14:18:31 <trx> now, to look at you code
Jun 28 14:18:37 <trx> your*
Jun 28 14:18:48 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 14:24:28 <trx> freemangordon i would try and set on both of them
Jun 28 14:24:36 <trx> nsWindow first
Jun 28 14:25:43 <trx> also try to add setCacheMode(QGraphicsItem::ItemCoordinateCache)
Jun 28 14:25:57 <trx> and see how it behaves with that cache flag
Jun 28 14:28:51 <trx> freemangordon oh, and let me know what happens please :)
Jun 28 14:30:41 <freemangordon> trx: there is no problem with rendering, but with resizig
Jun 28 14:31:27 <freemangordon> QGraphicsScene/Widget or View have incorrect size screwing all of the layout
Jun 28 14:32:52 <trx> problems occured when resizing, thats why i suggested it
Jun 28 14:33:05 <freemangordon> when rotated, yes
Jun 28 14:33:21 <freemangordon> you mean setCacheMode(QGraphicsItem::ItemCoordinateCache)
Jun 28 14:33:52 <trx> yes, that helped
Jun 28 14:34:15 <trx> here it produces screwing of the layout?
Jun 28 14:34:20 <freemangordon> ok. but it seems to me that view is never resized
Jun 28 14:34:36 <trx> hmm
Jun 28 14:34:39 <freemangordon> I don;t know if it follows scene view
Jun 28 14:36:54 <freemangordon> s/scene view/scene size/
Jun 28 14:36:55 <infobot> freemangordon meant: I don;t know if it follows scene size
Jun 28 14:38:25 <zeq> freemangordon: we know view is resized when resize() is set to availableSize, or is it settSceneRect()?  Anyhow, there is some logic that triggers resize somewhere...
Jun 28 14:39:04 <freemangordon> resizeEvent?
Jun 28 14:39:37 <trx> onResizeEvent gets the resize properly?
Jun 28 14:39:50 <trx> (nsWindow - onResizeEvent)
Jun 28 14:39:51 <trx> ?
Jun 28 14:40:00 <zeq> there is the code I corrected to match the comment:
Jun 28 14:40:01 <freemangordon> zeq: it is widget and scene to be resized, view is not resised in orientationChanged
Jun 28 14:40:16 <zeq> synthesize a resize event if this isn't a toplevel
Jun 28 14:40:54 <zeq> but it does get changed when I changed it to availableSize, but why?
Jun 28 14:41:40 <freemangordon> zeq: nsIntRect rect(mBounds.x, mBounds.y, aWidth, aHeight); ???
Jun 28 14:43:32 <zeq> that's what I was thinking
Jun 28 14:44:22 <zeq> this gives us the view widget, right? QWidget *widget = GetViewWidget();
Jun 28 14:44:39 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 28 14:44:54 <freemangordon> but it should not be QWidget
Jun 28 14:45:05 <freemangordon> but QGraphicsView
Jun 28 14:45:23 <zeq> I grabbed that straight from nsWindow.cpp
Jun 28 14:46:26 <zeq> I need to go again I'm afraid
Jun 28 14:46:37 <zeq> busy today :(
Jun 28 14:46:44 <freemangordon> ok, np
Jun 28 14:50:01 <trx> freemangordon what is the actual problem, resize on orientation change?
Jun 28 14:50:08 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 28 14:50:24 <trx> orientation changes but the size remains?
Jun 28 14:51:38 <freemangordon> yes
Jun 28 14:51:53 <freemangordon> but only for the view. though sometimes it works
Jun 28 14:57:12 <trx> damn, i cant open widget/qt/mozqwidget.cpp "blob taking too long to generate"
Jun 28 14:57:21 <trx> can you pastebin it or something?
Jun 28 14:59:13 <freemangordon> http://pastebin.com/D9SxCRut
Jun 28 14:59:29 <trx> ty
Jun 28 15:01:25 <freemangordon> have in mind this is a working copy
Jun 28 15:04:26 <trx> freemangordon can you access, the QGraphicsView->size() from orientationChanged and use that instead of QApplication::desktop()->screenGeometry()
Jun 28 15:04:43 <freemangordon> yes
Jun 28 15:04:48 <freemangordon> i think
Jun 28 15:05:23 <trx> try that, QGraphicsView's values should be used i think when its used
Jun 28 15:05:33 <trx> (as a view :) )
Jun 28 15:19:01 <zeq> I'm trying using width and height from QGraphicsView->size() in NativeResize()
Jun 28 15:27:16 <trx> any results yet?
Jun 28 15:29:44 <freemangordon> trx: it takes 20 minutes for linker to complete
Jun 28 15:30:21 <trx> oh right
Jun 28 15:32:43 <freemangordon> anyway, i ran out of time, will have to take some sleep as I will have to work tonight
Jun 28 15:33:01 <freemangordon> bb guys, wish you luck
Jun 28 15:33:21 <zeq> freemangordon: sleep well
Jun 28 15:35:29 <trx> bye\
Jun 28 15:36:36 <zeq> trx: if you want to clone the repo and join the effort, you're more than welcome :)
Jun 28 15:37:47 <zeq> I'm trying to get up to speed on C++ and Qt as I go, so someone with more experience would be useful :)
Jun 28 15:41:01 <Vib3> hi
Jun 28 15:41:43 <Vib3> trying to write img to memory card with n900, but now cant see mem card
Jun 28 15:42:09 <Vib3> is /dev/mmcblk1 mem card?
Jun 28 15:46:24 <zeq> Vib3: yes
Jun 28 15:46:56 <zeq> Vib3: assuming you mean microSD
Jun 28 15:47:02 <Vib3> yea
Jun 28 15:48:02 <Vib3> mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1 on /media/mmc1/ failed: Invalid argument
Jun 28 15:48:03 <Vib3> hmmm
Jun 28 15:48:36 <trx> zeq i know Qt but not C++, i use Qt with pascal, thats why i can suggest things to you
Jun 28 15:48:47 <trx> i do know C++ too, but i am not an advanced user
Jun 28 15:51:53 <trx> anyway, let me know the results
Jun 28 15:52:04 <trx> i must go now for a half hours
Jun 28 15:55:17 <zeq> trx: I'm asking romaxa for some more help...
Jun 28 15:57:47 <vi_> Vib3: what are you trying to acheive?
Jun 28 15:58:30 <Vib3> to see whats on that mmc
Jun 28 15:58:55 <vi_> Vib3: so when you put sd card in it does not auto mount?
Jun 28 15:59:16 <Vib3> nope cos I tried to put img there, but it was corrupted
Jun 28 15:59:23 <Vib3> no trying again
Jun 28 15:59:24 <Vib3> *now
Jun 28 15:59:35 <vi_> Vib3: you are trying to install nitroid?
Jun 28 16:00:07 <Vib3> nope
Jun 28 16:00:11 <vi_> nemo?
Jun 28 16:00:13 <vi_> mer?
Jun 28 16:00:15 <vi_> meego?
Jun 28 16:00:18 <Vib3> just trying to put other img to mmc
Jun 28 16:00:30 <vi_> o0
Jun 28 16:00:30 <Vib3> for my raspberry pi
Jun 28 16:00:52 <vi_> So you are using your n900 to dd a disk image to your memory card?
Jun 28 16:01:06 <Vib3> yea
Jun 28 16:01:12 <Vib3> now trying again
Jun 28 16:01:24 <vi_> why did you not open your question with that tiny nugget of info?
Jun 28 16:02:08 <vi_> vibe what FS does the image use?
Jun 28 16:02:13 <vi_> What kernel are you running?
Jun 28 16:16:19 <Woody14619> chem|st: delayed pong
Jun 28 16:54:06 <chem|st> Woody14619: was about nokia merging accounts and destroying their addressDB by that
Jun 28 16:54:23 <chem|st> s/o emailed quim I think
Jun 28 16:58:30 <zeq> trx, freemangordon: Talked to romaxa.  He had a look and now confirms the code should be in place to work, obviously something isn't getting triggered properly and suggested putting debugging printf's into the resize functions.
Jun 28 17:37:45 <zeq> trx, freemangordon: I hate it when this happens... debugging "fixed" it :/
Jun 28 17:46:44 <DocScrutinizer51> zeq: hehe
Jun 28 17:48:45 <jean_brat> hi Guys. i assume many people might have experienced the charging issue with N900.. i have to keep the micro USB port of my charger at an angle and push it inside the N900 port to initiate charging.. and also many charger will not work.. i have 2 chargers N97 and n900.. both of em dont charge my phone.. a chinese charger can with this method.. 
Jun 28 17:48:57 <jean_brat> have seen lot of blogs about this issue.. is there any one found an ideal solution for this issue?
Jun 28 17:49:17 <jean_brat> Hi DocScrutinizer 
Jun 28 17:49:27 <DocScrutinizer51> h
Jun 28 17:49:30 <DocScrutinizer51> hi
Jun 28 17:49:54 <jean_brat> remember me .. had the booting issue after flashing N900.?
Jun 28 17:50:19 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm
Jun 28 17:50:26 <jean_brat> nokia service centre guys fixed it.. some problem with the board they said
Jun 28 17:50:29 <DocScrutinizer51> takes some more hints
Jun 28 17:51:16 <jean_brat> i was here 2 days continues .. and you helped me to flash
Jun 28 17:51:17 <DocScrutinizer51> mech force on USB for charging clearly indicates an almost brolen USB receptacle
Jun 28 17:51:38 <jean_brat> can it be replaced?
Jun 28 17:51:50 <DocScrutinizer51> well, sorry. That's what I do usually ;-D
Jun 28 17:52:39 <DocScrutinizer51> you should try to find some good electronics engineer to get it fixed before it brweaks completely
Jun 28 17:52:42 <jean_brat> are these micro usb is poorly designed?
Jun 28 17:53:27 <Woody14619> chem|st: really?  Hmm... Is that something that happened because of OBS (for LDAP) or just trying to consolidate down?
Jun 28 17:53:28 <jean_brat> how..? do you get microusb ports which can be soldered in to the same board?
Jun 28 17:55:21 <DocScrutinizer51> you should solder the esisting one
Jun 28 17:57:09 <DocScrutinizer51> uless you find a good new part
Jun 28 17:57:09 <DocScrutinizer51> ~usbfix
Jun 28 17:57:10 <DocScrutinizer51> ~usbfix
Jun 28 17:57:10 <DocScrutinizer51> povbot_: fhgdfhrjyugh
Jun 28 17:57:10 <povbot_> DocScrutinizer51: Error: "fhgdfhrjyugh" is not a valid command.
Jun 28 17:57:11 <infobot> somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Jun 28 17:57:11 <infobot> usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Jun 28 17:57:36 <luke-jr> I bought a backup N900
Jun 28 17:57:42 <luke-jr> usbfix didn't turn out so nice :/
Jun 28 17:57:48 <luke-jr> it doesn't fit right in the case now
Jun 28 17:58:34 <DocScrutinizer51> depends
Jun 28 17:59:52 <zeq> DocScrutinizer51: I'm not that suprised debugging made it work, since it worked intermittently, that pointed to some kind of timing, racy type problem.
Jun 28 18:01:16 <DocScrutinizer51> the beloved race conditions
Jun 28 18:02:24 <DocScrutinizer05> usually never get fixed for goos, as it's too easy to make then vanish 'usually'
Jun 28 18:02:37 <DocScrutinizer05> s/oos/ood/
Jun 28 18:02:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: usually never get fixed for good, as it's too easy to make then vanish 'usually'
Jun 28 18:03:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so if you can actually trace down one, you should appreciate the opportunity
Jun 28 18:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> exploiting ETM might help
Jun 28 18:04:06 <DocScrutinizer05> though that's still a *very* immature project of mine, for N900
Jun 28 18:04:25 <zeq> it seems an event is being triggered multiple times, and the code checks for a difference between current and last to determine whether it needs to resize the widget
Jun 28 18:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Jun 28 18:05:12 <zeq> so if it depends whether it checks between to identical repeats of the event or the before and after the actual change
Jun 28 18:05:23 <DocScrutinizer05> always nice for not-reentrant code pitfalls
Jun 28 18:05:49 <zeq> s/to/two/
Jun 28 18:05:51 <infobot> zeq meant: so if it depends whether it checks between two identical repeats of the event or the before and after the actual change
Jun 28 18:06:08 <DocScrutinizer05> even seen an irq speeding over his elder brother? ;-P
Jun 28 18:06:22 <zeq> it's just like that
Jun 28 18:06:43 <zeq> I think it gets called for every widget
Jun 28 18:06:57 <zeq> (my suspicion)
Jun 28 18:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, not consider multithreading
Jun 28 18:07:04 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Jun 28 18:07:14 <DocScrutinizer05> s/not/now
Jun 28 18:07:29 <zeq> how to fix?
Jun 28 18:07:35 <DocScrutinizer05> is that friggin code reentrant?
Jun 28 18:07:52 <zeq> I don't think so
Jun 28 18:07:54 <DocScrutinizer05> usually you fix this particular kind of race with a mutex
Jun 28 18:07:58 <DocScrutinizer05> or semaphore
Jun 28 18:08:13 <zeq> yeah....
Jun 28 18:08:33 <zeq> I think it explains the weird behaviour on Harmattan too
Jun 28 18:09:04 <zeq> reportedly on rotation it jumps about at various angles
Jun 28 18:09:31 <zeq> anyway, I need to go to the pub now ;)
Jun 28 18:09:42 <zeq> I'm glad I've made some progress...
Jun 28 18:10:03 <jean_brat> thanks DocScrutinizer .. let me crank open the case this weekend to have a better look inside
Jun 28 18:10:51 <zeq> see ya doc
Jun 28 18:11:06 <jean_brat> luke-jr, can it be un done? or remove the solder and install a better usb female connecter?
Jun 28 18:11:20 <luke-jr> …
Jun 28 18:11:26 <DocScrutinizer05> jean_brat: opening (and esp reassembling) N900 is not like changing a tire on your car. Be *damn* careful with this flat ribbon connector between lower & upper half!
Jun 28 18:11:35 <luke-jr> more like cut away from the plastic the solder is having trouble with
Jun 28 18:11:41 <DocScrutinizer05> zeq: o/
Jun 28 18:12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> luke-jr: exactly
Jun 28 18:12:40 <jean_brat> there are youtube videos which will give you a decent idea of what you will be doing
Jun 28 18:12:45 <DocScrutinizer05> the easiest and suggested method
Jun 28 18:13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> jean_brat: haven't seen any really decent video yet
Jun 28 18:13:28 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: I did try, but couldn't make it fit somehow
Jun 28 18:13:47 <DocScrutinizer05> they all skip the nasty part of flap ribbon connector plug removal and esp re-insertion
Jun 28 18:13:50 <jean_brat> does your phone charge now? luke-jr ?
Jun 28 18:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> luke-jr: use chewinf gum, no kidding. Shows you where are the contact pints
Jun 28 18:14:32 <DocScrutinizer05> points
Jun 28 18:14:35 <jean_brat> ohh din know that DocScrutinizer 
Jun 28 18:14:50 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: huh? how woudl that work?
Jun 28 18:15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> jean_brat: yeah, and when you don't know, you lift the LCD half like "NOW!!! I did it!" and RIP FPC
Jun 28 18:16:53 <DocScrutinizer05> jean_brat: NEVER pull or bend the flat plastic cable, NEVER apply punctual force to the B2B connector at end of FPC
Jun 28 18:17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and prepare for 15min of shouting swearwords when trying to re-insert that friggin B2B connector
Jun 28 18:18:32 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not like it will fit like the egg into the cup
Jun 28 18:19:24 <DocScrutinizer05> more like your door key into the keyhole, when you're drunk and it's dark
Jun 28 18:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> if it doesn't fit, start all over again. applying force will break the shite for sure
Jun 28 18:20:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sliding around with the plug basically doesn't help
Jun 28 18:21:17 <DocScrutinizer05> it's one of the nastiest B2B connector designs I've ever seen - in any imaginable regard
Jun 28 18:21:18 <jean_brat> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12
Jun 28 18:21:23 <jean_brat> this looks promissing
Jun 28 18:21:36 <jean_brat> but don know if the case will fit inside after that
Jun 28 18:21:52 <jean_brat> think its better done from the professionals
Jun 28 18:22:02 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: I never had any trouble with it…
Jun 28 18:22:03 <DocScrutinizer05> this is ok, minus the erroneous connection of ID to GND
Jun 28 18:22:07 <luke-jr> and I wasn't especially careful
Jun 28 18:22:43 <jean_brat> how did you manage to put the case back again luke-jr ?
Jun 28 18:22:56 <luke-jr> jean_brat: I just ignored the fact that it didn't fit <.<
Jun 28 18:23:08 <luke-jr> so the left side is slightly sticking out
Jun 28 18:23:28 <jean_brat> ohh ok
Jun 28 18:25:07 <jean_brat> strange .. how they missed this part.. in such a great design of its time
Jun 28 18:25:18 <jean_brat> in N900
Jun 28 18:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> jean_brat: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1018141#post1018141
Jun 28 18:28:45 <chem|st> Woody14619: OBS? LDAP? nokia messed up their websites, they merged accounts and with that deleted the "city:" field from accountdetails
Jun 28 18:29:57 <jean_brat> ohh ok
Jun 28 18:30:01 <DocScrutinizer05> hi chem|st
Jun 28 18:31:26 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: can you update user posts on tmo?
Jun 28 18:31:33 <DocScrutinizer05> s/update/edit/
Jun 28 18:31:33 <freemangordon> zeq: congrats man, now we know is is not our fault, it should be easy to be fixed
Jun 28 18:31:35 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: chem|st: can you edit user posts on tmo?
Jun 28 18:32:41 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: if so, could you add a link to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1018141#post1018141 into http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 please ?
Jun 28 18:34:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or quote my whole comment in the original post even
Jun 28 18:48:25 <freemangordon> Pali: great job (apt-mirror I mean)
Jun 28 18:48:39 <Pali> freemangordon, ok :-)
Jun 28 18:48:56 <freemangordon> could you mail me some list?
Jun 28 18:49:11 <freemangordon> or it is too much o an effort
Jun 28 18:49:28 <Pali> freemangordon, do you mean mirror.list of that backup?
Jun 28 18:50:07 <freemangordon> I mean packages.tar.gz, but suspect I can access them 
Jun 28 18:50:31 <Pali> all is on merlin server in my home folder
Jun 28 18:50:36 <freemangordon> Pali: nevermind
Jun 28 18:50:37 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 28 18:51:26 <Pali> I updated public repositories in mirror.list on wiki: https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror
Jun 28 18:51:43 <Pali> there is some incomplete harmattan list
Jun 28 18:52:31 <freemangordon> you add those there?
Jun 28 18:52:36 <Pali> no
Jun 28 18:52:39 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 18:52:44 <freemangordon> :D
Jun 28 18:52:52 <Pali> I added official harmattan
Jun 28 18:52:55 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 28 18:52:58 <Pali> sdk & device
Jun 28 18:54:14 <freemangordon> ok, ok
Jun 28 18:59:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, a /mode #maemo +q *!*@*.de
Jun 28 18:59:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and  /mode #maemo +q *!*@*.it
Jun 28 19:00:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Jun 28 19:00:45 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee
Jun 28 19:00:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~football
Jun 28 19:00:51 <infobot> [football] played with a ball shaped like an ellipsoid, or rarely touched by the foot which makes the name confusing
Jun 28 19:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> wroooong!
Jun 28 19:01:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~soccer
Jun 28 19:01:17 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, soccer is - see football. short for Association Football (assoc -> soccer), or the Greatest Game in the World!
Jun 28 19:01:34 <DocScrutinizer05> plain BS
Jun 28 19:07:22 * DocScrutinizer05 burps
Jun 28 19:12:31 <DocScrutinizer05> /join #anti-soccer
Jun 28 19:13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Jun 28 19:14:18 <trx> freemangordon did you test it with changes i suggested?
Jun 28 19:16:14 <trx> also, when the orientation changes, nsWindow::OnResizeEvent(QGraphicsSceneResizeEvent *aEvent) gets called
Jun 28 19:16:23 <trx> you can resize there as well
Jun 28 19:16:56 <trx> but that is on window level so you would have to resize children
Jun 28 19:17:41 <RST38h> MEANWHILE: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/06/sanwa2-06-28-12-01.jpg
Jun 28 19:26:36 <zeq1> freemangordon: Did you see my analysis above?
Jun 28 19:27:05 <freemangordon> yep, and also answered
Jun 28 19:27:19 <freemangordon> [21:30] <freemangordon> zeq: congrats man, now we know is is not our fault, it should be easy to be fixed
Jun 28 19:28:10 <zeq1> :) it wasn't in the scrollback here on xchat
Jun 28 19:28:26 <freemangordon> unfortunately I won't have time to look at the issue today (job)
Jun 28 19:28:46 <zeq1> np
Jun 28 19:28:56 <freemangordon> but will do it tomorrow. mind to share your logs?
Jun 28 19:29:20 <freemangordon> I mean those from printfs
Jun 28 19:29:27 <zeq1> sure, when I get home
Jun 28 19:29:36 <freemangordon> wehn you have access to them of course
Jun 28 19:29:40 <freemangordon> yeah :)
Jun 28 19:29:47 <zeq1> getting complaints from gf ;)
Jun 28 19:29:59 <freemangordon> :D
Jun 28 19:30:15 <freemangordon> night
Jun 28 19:32:17 <zeq1> pub! :)
Jun 28 19:44:00 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer05: done
Jun 28 19:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: thanks
Jun 28 20:02:51 <zeq1> freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/ajb5ne99
Jun 28 20:03:06 <GeneralAntilles> Is the duplicate text issue usually on the receiving end or the sending end?
Jun 28 20:03:36 * RST38h suggests GLSurfaceView authors die of bloody diarrhea
Jun 28 20:08:13 <RST38h> Same as their GLThread, every time the device is rotated
Jun 28 20:13:23 <Tofe> hei
Jun 28 20:15:01 <Tofe> I'm trying to insert simple debug traces (with g_message) in my hildon status bar plugin, but the traces don't show up when I start af-sb-init.sh... Did I miss something stupid ? NB:I'm sure my code is the one that gets loaded.
Jun 28 20:15:51 <Tofe> I see plenty of glib messages from trackerd, hildon-home, etc, so it must be me...
Jun 28 20:34:50 <Estel_> Well, i haven't got my mail too
Jun 28 20:35:04 <Estel_> at least, I got username that no one else would take, as Estel was occupied already... :P
Jun 28 21:20:34 <Estel_> chem|st, ping
Jun 28 21:20:39 <Estel_> in mood for some infraction points?
Jun 28 21:20:40 <Estel_> <rlinfati> [16:15] https://gr37Bcvd:dfe52Ydf@downloads.maemo.nokia.com/unreleased/fremantle/apps/adobe-flashplayer-10-1_4.0.0-45+1divert2.deb - flash 10 for fremantle ( the same of harmattan ) , can be included in cssu ?
Jun 28 21:20:43 <Estel_> oh
Jun 28 21:20:45 <Estel_> fuck copy and paste
Jun 28 21:21:22 <Estel_> xsorry, it's some scam, I mean:
Jun 28 21:21:23 <Estel_> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1228753&postcount=201
Jun 28 21:21:37 <Estel_> chem|st^^^
Jun 28 21:57:05 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer; sorry about what? It's very likely if it was sent insured or parcel or whatever I'd have to go to grocerystore/post too :P
Jun 28 21:58:50 <Estel_> ShadowJK, do you live in Australia centralland, with next post office being 100 miles away?
Jun 28 21:59:05 <ShadowJK> no
Jun 28 21:59:22 <skope> does turning only 2G on reduce battery usage much in n900?
Jun 28 21:59:23 <Estel_> sometimes, I wonder how they handle avizo's there
Jun 28 21:59:34 <Estel_> skope, not much. It depends on network coverage
Jun 28 21:59:41 <Estel_> poor signal of either 3G and 2G kills battery
Jun 28 21:59:49 <skope> i changed only 2G and i think battery lasts longer
Jun 28 21:59:57 <skope> but it might be placebo
Jun 28 22:00:16 <Estel_> might be, I also use 2G only, except for when 3G is needed
Jun 28 22:00:23 <ShadowJK> Although any sort of IM, and IRC, and you'll see 16+ h life on 2g and 4h on 3g :P
Jun 28 22:00:26 <skope> i've had it unplugged like 12 hours now and almost full battery
Jun 28 22:00:32 <Estel_> anyway, I've tested it, and it don't show different battery life, most of the times
Jun 28 22:00:40 <skope> okay
Jun 28 22:00:42 <Estel_> ShadowJK, of course
Jun 28 22:00:44 <RiD> [22:59] <hairlessmangina> all the women i've been with preffered it hairless
Jun 28 22:00:45 <Estel_> i'm  talking about idle
Jun 28 22:01:01 <RiD> sh.t sorry wrong channel
Jun 28 22:01:05 <Estel_> no, seriously?
Jun 28 22:01:10 <skope> RiD: haha
Jun 28 22:01:12 <ShadowJK> Yeah I just tested 3g idle actually, got 4 days
Jun 28 22:01:18 <Estel_> You should put it in middle of CA results discussion
Jun 28 22:02:04 <ShadowJK> almost-idle anyway, running charge*.sh instead of bme
Jun 28 22:02:30 <Estel_> in your use case, You have charge.sh run all the time in background?
Jun 28 22:02:43 <Estel_> not only when needed?
Jun 28 22:03:27 <Estel_> well, it's about 20 mAh wasted every hour, so it's definitely more than 3G idle
Jun 28 22:03:41 <Estel_> i.e. without anything I have 7-8 mA power draw when idle
Jun 28 22:03:53 <Estel_> and with bq27200.sh running in loop, or charge sh, I have 25-27
Jun 28 22:03:55 <Estel_> mA
Jun 28 22:03:57 <Estel_> power draw
Jun 28 22:04:04 <ShadowJK> i think it was showing 6ma most of the time
Jun 28 22:04:09 <SpeedEvil> That seems high.
Jun 28 22:04:19 <SpeedEvil> Is that through screen, disconnected?
Jun 28 22:04:20 <Estel_> hm, or was it bq27200.sh only?
Jun 28 22:04:23 <ShadowJK> well with 5 sec interval it could be
Jun 28 22:04:30 <Estel_> yea
Jun 28 22:04:34 <skope> so, what's the deal about that xxx_battery kernel module?
Jun 28 22:04:40 <skope> read it, but didn't quite got it
Jun 28 22:04:50 <Estel_> skope, nothing now, but Pali is working hard to bring it as proper bme replacement (not only Pali)
Jun 28 22:04:54 <ShadowJK> though the charge.sh that I use goes to 15s after unplugging charger, iirc
Jun 28 22:05:06 <Estel_> I see
Jun 28 22:05:14 <ShadowJK> which gives significantly better C4 times
Jun 28 22:05:50 <ShadowJK> And yeah, I typically run charge*sh continously so I can just plug in whatever whenever to charge
Jun 28 22:06:03 <Estel_> sounds cool.
Jun 28 22:06:17 <Estel_> well, we have only few minor things left, until proper bmke replacement could be introduced
Jun 28 22:06:22 * ShadowJK has about 6 different things updating in screen in xterm
Jun 28 22:06:25 <Estel_> s/bmke/bme/
Jun 28 22:06:37 <ShadowJK> usually either charge or bq is up
Jun 28 22:07:43 <ShadowJK> bq, charge, root, data transfer minute by minute, wifi rate/quality/signal/noise/snr
Jun 28 22:13:36 <RiD> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/35274458.html - interesting read
Jun 28 22:24:45 <ShadowJK> ... wrong channel again?
Jun 28 22:28:24 <trx> lol
Jun 28 22:30:30 <RiD> nope
Jun 28 22:30:41 <RiD> it's very interesting
Jun 28 22:34:14 <rzr> RiD, I learnt lot of vocabulary in it
Jun 28 23:15:35 <Viltzu> zeq: How is the gcc 4.6+ howto going? ;D
Jun 29 00:39:14 <internetishard> can you switch your sim between an n900 and an iphone?
Jun 29 00:42:04 <nox-> doesnt iphone take microsim?
Jun 29 00:45:03 <ZogG_lap1op> internetishard: if you have dual sim or you cutted your sim by yourself than you can "puzle" it to iriginal size
Jun 29 00:45:11 <ZogG_lap1op> n9 has microsim
Jun 29 00:48:57 <internetishard> So, can I can put my n900 sim in an iphone 3gs, and just have it work?
Jun 29 00:54:43 <nox-> no n900 doesnt have microsim
Jun 29 00:57:09 <internetishard> nox-: that mean I'm gonna have to pay T-mo more, even if I don't want to use them at the same time...?
Jun 29 01:03:54 <SpeedEvil> Unless you cut the SIM, and use an adaptor in the n900
Jun 29 01:18:31 <ZogG_lap1op> internetishard: if you cut it with the sim cutter you can kinda put it inside the part you cut it from
Jun 29 01:18:47 <ZogG_lap1op> so you can enlarge it like it's promissed in the spam msgs
Jun 29 01:23:13 <internetishard> sounds a little dangerous, like I should have a backup sim for phone calls before I do it...
Jun 29 01:27:04 <ZogG_lap1op> hmm if you have iphone you would be able to call
Jun 29 01:27:18 <ZogG_lap1op> internetishard: i cut mine myself with knife and friends sim as an example
Jun 29 01:28:33 <ZogG_lap1op> internetishard: ut watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXiqclOVwmY&feature=related
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