**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 02 02:59:58 2012 Jul 02 03:00:15 And, *what* settings? I didn't make any settings except for the fact that the kernel is the power kernel. Jul 02 03:07:10 I don't know what the first part means but the second part could mean whatever overclock settings for instance maybe lost during that forced reboot Jul 02 03:08:50 psycho_oreos: Maybe it's just a generic message. I didn't make any overclock settings. I'll just ignore it. Jul 02 03:09:14 kwtm, I also pretty much ignore it as well :) Jul 02 03:09:52 any ideas for how to play to airplay with an n900? Jul 02 03:10:50 vlc? lol, I dunno the ramifications of Apple's airplay let alone most of their products. However iinm its vastly proprietary Jul 02 03:12:16 psycho_oreos: but it's bs, since there are so many ways to let your linux machine become an airplay node. That is, play through your computer. But you can't play from linux to airplay! Jul 02 03:12:52 internetishard, that's Apple for you and pretty much your loss for siding with Apple :) Jul 02 03:13:15 psycho_oreos: dude, my room mate bought it and hooked my livingroom speakers up to it... Jul 02 03:13:31 kwtm, no no Jul 02 03:13:33 it's notthing bad Jul 02 03:13:35 internetishard, I was referring to playing streams through airplay Jul 02 03:13:44 it means, that your device rebooted in unexpected way ;) Jul 02 03:13:47 exactly as it say Jul 02 03:13:57 i.e. last shutdown/reboot wasn't clean one Jul 02 03:14:02 Estel_, i.e. generic error message? :) Jul 02 03:14:12 psycho_oreos: me too Jul 02 03:14:16 and, to prevent bootloop (not that it would happen anyway), it loaded default settings Jul 02 03:14:20 psycho_oreos, kinda Jul 02 03:14:37 kwtm, now, if You haven't prepared any custom settings, it probably doesn't matter, but You can just - as root - exectue Jul 02 03:14:42 lernel-config unlock Jul 02 03:14:51 psycho_oreos: It's an airplay router hooked up to the speakers... So how do you stream to it?! Jul 02 03:14:54 and it automagically load settings that should be loaded on boot, instead of defaults Jul 02 03:15:16 internetishard, speakers aren't anything more than airplay nodes iinm and those are common for airplay `playing' nodes Jul 02 03:15:42 internetishard, get an apple computer? lol Jul 02 03:15:47 internetishard, why won't You get any decent "normal" solution, much cheaper and more effective than apple's shit? Jul 02 03:15:58 airplay is PITA due to being propertiary and closed Jul 02 03:16:03 exactly Jul 02 03:16:12 Estel_: tell me about it... I didn't buy it, room mate did Jul 02 03:16:14 you can make linux to act as node, but because they wanted it and mad eit possible Jul 02 03:16:15 he's an apple dev :( Jul 02 03:16:21 other way around isn't possible, because they locked it :) Jul 02 03:16:26 and Apple would sue anyone trying to misuse their technology Jul 02 03:16:29 ug :( Jul 02 03:16:50 internetishard, so educate him to leave empire of evil :P Be a part of Stallman ;) Jul 02 03:16:52 And anyone who says "I hate apple" gets an earful Jul 02 03:16:55 *in part* Jul 02 03:16:57 haha Jul 02 03:17:02 He makes a loooot making ipad apps Jul 02 03:17:09 why don't you buy your own router, get something like UPnP and play stuff through that instead? Jul 02 03:17:22 psycho_oreos: it'll have an amp in it? Jul 02 03:17:24 exactly. not to mention that upnp is shit too :P Jul 02 03:17:29 with mini-out? Jul 02 03:17:41 internetishard, no, not exactly but why do you fancy something like that? Jul 02 03:17:44 internetishard, what is Your use case, from the very beginning? Jul 02 03:18:09 is it because you must choose Apple's cool nifty bits? or were you expecting to be slugged with anti-Apple's comments? Jul 02 03:18:11 3 different sound systems in the house, lots of different sources of files. Streaming from any device that has audio and wifi/ethernet is fkn cool Jul 02 03:18:13 and useful Jul 02 03:18:26 apart from the fact that if the base hardware was by Apple Jul 02 03:18:29 is what because? Jul 02 03:19:01 Hey, I don't suppose the N900 does 802.11n? It's 802.11g only, right? Jul 02 03:19:10 kwtm, only b/g Jul 02 03:19:19 That's what I thought. Jul 02 03:19:48 internetishard, define "3 different sounds systems" Jul 02 03:19:52 i.e. it's ins and outs. Jul 02 03:20:15 streaming from any device via lan or internet isn't any problem in linux Jul 02 03:20:22 I don't see where apple's shit apply here Jul 02 03:20:42 if you don't want to wire stuff from room to room Jul 02 03:20:44 internetishard, not like you can hook up amp or stereo to UPnP, but you can probably get some sort of intermediate hardware that acts like a client/server in between. Apple's solution is again as mentioned before by both myself and Estel_ as proprietary.. i.e. SOL if you want other hardwares to work with it apart from being the receiving end Jul 02 03:20:48 use wifi? Jul 02 03:21:24 I just didn't want to buy any hardware/unplug my room mate's solution everytime Jul 02 03:21:34 so You're, basically, fucked Jul 02 03:21:38 well you don't have a choice Jul 02 03:21:40 or screwed, whjatever Jul 02 03:21:59 airplay is offensive one, either You take it out, or do some analog audio mod to make it behave Jul 02 03:22:10 (i.e. adaptor that accept sounds from 2 sources) Jul 02 03:22:23 write complains to /dev/null or to apple friend ;) Jul 02 03:22:35 linux coexist with it without problem, but it doesn't coexist with linux. Jul 02 03:22:44 or windows, or whatever ;) Jul 02 03:23:10 They always have a clever excuse. Jul 02 03:23:23 * psycho_oreos still recalls how Apple treated linux users running their (Apple's) iTunes.. just a simple windows PC.. linux != windows but Apple just wouldn't want to see it differently Jul 02 03:23:28 that's Apple for you Jul 02 03:23:36 "then other solutions would become compatible with airplay and apple would get complaints from people using broken ones and ones that don't work as well" Jul 02 03:23:39 internetishard, well, whose problem is that? Jul 02 03:24:00 anyone who lives in SF Jul 02 03:24:01 haha Jul 02 03:24:08 source forge?:P Jul 02 03:24:14 science-fiction?:P Jul 02 03:24:30 San Francisco Jul 02 03:24:39 self-f.... erm, whatever Jul 02 03:24:54 haha, yeah Jul 02 03:25:10 * psycho_oreos thinks its an absurd excuse for one that chooses to _only_ make linux work with Apple's products. Apple is the one not willing to play nice with linux in the first place Jul 02 03:25:23 anyway, wrt54gl routers can be bought for 20 usd, and one of them is enough to make nmet access for 250 base stations or more Jul 02 03:25:37 just install openwrt on it, required packages, and You're ready to go Jul 02 03:25:52 You can even install some package to make DoS on airplay, if You feel it fancy ; Jul 02 03:25:54 ;) Jul 02 03:25:54 they have mini-out/a preamp Jul 02 03:26:01 well, You talked about net Jul 02 03:26:10 if You want preamp, just make/buy one, ffs Jul 02 03:26:15 That's the whole point of this thing Jul 02 03:26:16 ^ Jul 02 03:26:18 apple's preamp is shitty in quality, anyway Jul 02 03:26:29 and mini-amps are cheap to made Jul 02 03:26:35 web full of diy guides Jul 02 03:26:41 really good ones, btw Jul 02 03:26:41 I don't know, through a good amp at 80% preamp volume, I don't think there is a noticeable difference Jul 02 03:26:48 you can forget about airplay. Or otherwise you can always write your own software and hope that Apple won't sue the living daylight out of you Jul 02 03:27:05 internetishard, in such case, You don't need amp at all Jul 02 03:27:33 you don't need an amp? lol Jul 02 03:27:41 preamp from phone (or wahtever) -> speaker cone Jul 02 03:29:14 we're not sound technicians/engineers here, the bottom line is that there are alternatives which will all cost you money but you don't have a choice unless you're a developer with strong reverse engineering skills and is willing to hack the living hell out of airplay's proprietary format Jul 02 03:29:42 apple makes me cry Jul 02 03:29:44 :( Jul 02 03:29:53 learn to live with it Jul 02 03:31:35 * robbiethe1st hates apple Jul 02 03:32:27 for a multitude of reasons, including killing flash. Because flash is decent, and very useful in some cases. And Apple's hardware/software lockdown is evil. Jul 02 03:32:37 * psycho_oreos hates Sony more than he hates Apple but at least he'll try and restrain being controlled by the likes of dim-witted companies Jul 02 03:32:55 actually, flash is still evil Jul 02 03:33:04 Sony, yup, another company for the evil list. Jul 02 03:33:17 * psycho_oreos gets a little annoyed when n9 doesn't even support flash Jul 02 03:33:19 Well, with flash, at least the protocol is open(looking at Gnash etc) Jul 02 03:33:34 yeah, that's an instance that apple happens to do something good for everyone, just because it happens to be benefited by the fall of flash Jul 02 03:33:34 yeah partially Jul 02 03:34:19 internetishard, that's like saying drinking excessive amounts of water won't kill you just because water is not so harmful Jul 02 03:34:33 what?! Jul 02 03:34:36 But eh, what's going to take the place of DRMed video and actual animation? Jul 02 03:34:46 HTML5 doesn't really do either. Jul 02 03:35:02 (actual animation = vector animation + synced music playback) Jul 02 03:35:32 water is beneficial for everyone, especially potable water but you can still get poisoned by drinking too much water Jul 02 03:35:51 too much flash? Jul 02 03:36:07 sure, Apple may have done lots of things that were nice to the majority of the market but their tactics are just downright evil Jul 02 04:32:11 Hey, to add repositories without using the sluggish App Manager, don't I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? It doesn't seem to recognize those files. Jul 02 04:32:57 what's wrong with FAM? Jul 02 04:43:25 psycho_oreos, kwtm means ham Jul 02 04:44:09 kwtm, just instal fapman via ham, and thern, do everything via fapman Jul 02 04:45:00 Estel_, I know, was wondering why won't he try FAM :) Jul 02 06:16:32 i just noticed that there's no way to make an emergency call in the date picker screen you get when you boot after removing the battery Jul 02 06:16:36 doesn't that violate some regulation? Jul 02 06:18:13 kerio, you only get that screen after removing the battery if your rtc clock battery is dead Jul 02 06:18:23 chainsawbike: yeah, but rtc clock batteries *are* dead Jul 02 06:18:35 in pretty much every n900 Jul 02 06:18:46 yea... both mine are dead Jul 02 06:21:10 but that screen is appearing because of a hardware fault, i doubt the regulation in question covers failing hardware Jul 02 06:31:12 poor workmanship? :) Jul 02 06:31:38 though I guess nokia would shrug issues like those off as simply being general wear and tear Jul 02 06:33:21 What's wrong with FAM? It's not command-line, that's what's wrong with it. I can't get a script to tap on an icon. Jul 02 06:33:48 I thought dbscripts was part of testing. Is it devel? Jul 02 06:34:32 well yeah that's true with FAM, though to me FAM is really just a fancy apt-get frontend if anything Jul 02 06:36:23 psycho_oreos: Poisoned by drinking too much water? You mean hyponatremia? That's just a failure to take in something other than water. I wouldn't say it's "poison" from drinking water. ... Jul 02 06:36:36 Oh shoot, dbus-scripts *is* devel. :( geez Jul 02 06:38:44 kwtm, heh I'm no doctor but there is a wikipedia entry specific to water poisoning. Though they refer to it as water intoxication and yes its also known as hyponatremia. Though when one reads the wikipedia article, it seems as though water intoxication can also be related to `drowning' a person by taking more than required amounts of water Jul 02 06:42:14 If that's what Wikipedia says, I should correct it. It's the hyponatremia that does you in, but hyponatremia can be caused by any number of causes, including drinking too much (polydipsia) without replacing salt content. On the other hand, drowning, in the meaning used by most people, means inability to move air into the lungs due to fluid clogging them. Jul 02 06:42:32 Boy, is there anything worthwhile that's NOT in devel? even alarmed is devel. Jul 02 06:43:12 I'm actually looking for sms-notify, but that seems to have vanished... Jul 02 06:44:16 bottom line is too much of anything is not good for you. One is/was supposed to take everything in moderation.. too much salt can also kill you just as a little amounts of salt intake with excessive amounts of water can kill Jul 02 06:44:46 I think a fair few devels/maintainers have lost interesting in sticking with the maemo platform :) Jul 02 06:45:10 well slowly anyway.. much like how it was the case with bora and chinook.. i.e. the dying phase Jul 02 06:45:47 But I thought at least dbus-scripts would have stabilized... at least to the point where I don't have to poll dbus just to see if sms's have arrived. Which is what I guess I'll have to do. Crummm.... Jul 02 06:52:49 Ok, alarmed is in testing ... but that's a GUI. Does it install alarmd? Or what does it use, cron? Hmm... Jul 02 06:53:38 not exactly cron iirc, its some other timer program Jul 02 06:56:33 freemangordon: my missing orientationChanged was due to a combination of factors: PKG_CONFIG_PATH had got lost from my mozconfig, and in nsWindow.cpp the code is protected by MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5 whereas the declaration in mozqwidget.h is protected by MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY Jul 02 06:56:54 freemangordon: that was me ;) Jul 02 07:41:11 kwtm: alarmd is a system lib Jul 02 07:41:24 cron is non-existent Jul 02 07:41:36 DocScrutinizer: You mean it is already built in? I can write a bash script and call it? Jul 02 07:42:02 you hardly call a lib from a script Jul 02 07:42:11 bash* Jul 02 07:42:27 and yes, built in Jul 02 07:42:49 What would be needed so that I can get my N900 to execute an arbitrary specified script at given points in time? Jul 02 07:42:56 to call it there's alarmed Jul 02 07:43:20 alarmed again Jul 02 07:44:18 Oh, alarmed can be used without the GUI, from within a script? That's great! Jul 02 07:44:37 I didn't see a lot of documentation for it but presumably it will be part of the package? Jul 02 07:53:34 yes Jul 02 07:53:36 and yes Jul 02 07:54:24 the cmdline interface is comprehensive and powerful (I contributed to the specs ;-D ) Jul 02 07:55:09 it even has a cron-alike syntax variant Jul 02 07:56:08 and understands full date(1) abstract complex times Jul 02 07:56:20 (if the right lib is installed) Jul 02 07:56:36 How to let message_ui support my own avatar.png? Jul 02 07:58:12 kwtm: http://www.google.de/search?q=maemo+alarmed Jul 02 08:02:31 LeoLang_cool, check out conversation ui modder, it has this and other functionality Jul 02 08:05:00 qwazix_, I just want to add avatar support, I want to DIY ;p Jul 02 08:08:52 I get a css from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500704&postcount=89, in the screenshot in that page, it supports avatar, but it doesn't work for me Jul 02 08:48:31 Is there anything that can get me my current GPS location on my N900? I want to, for example, calculate my speed. Prefer output to stdout, but interface with Python would be ok, too. (I'll write a Python script to spit out the GPS location to stdout) Jul 02 08:51:00 columbus Jul 02 08:51:03 i think it's called Jul 02 08:51:17 but well, read the manual Jul 02 08:51:19 it's on wiki Jul 02 08:55:02 will check, jacekowski. Thx. Jul 02 09:11:39 Wow, the quality of maemo apps has improved noticeably during the past year when I didn't install any new ones. Despite the N900 being a dead end. Nice. Jul 02 09:19:14 it has? I haven't noticed Jul 02 09:19:34 uh. nvm Jul 02 09:35:58 kwtm, haven't they always been pretty high quality? Jul 02 09:36:10 no, they haven't. Jul 02 09:36:11 I don't ever remember installing crap quality apps Jul 02 10:19:21 FYI http://www.openmobility.cz/openmobility/summer-contest-for-linux-smartphone/ Jul 02 11:11:14 want compile nmap6.01 on N900,when execute "make" command ,output a lot error .(((undefined reference to `eth_send'¸IPv4Header.cc:(.text+0x13f8): undefined reference to `ip_checksum))), has some body interest and konw why? Jul 02 11:19:10 psychologe do you have a missing header warninig above that? (for me it sounds like the kernel headers are missing) Jul 02 11:32:32 merlin1991: ping Jul 02 11:32:43 vi_: pong Jul 02 11:32:50 good afternoon. Jul 02 11:33:07 How do I uninstall a package that mp-freemantle-community is dependant on? Jul 02 11:33:24 what do you want to get rid of? Jul 02 11:33:28 operator-name-widget for example will not allow me to uninstall. Jul 02 11:33:58 also you'll have to remove the mp-fremantle-community-pr in order to that, which in turn will disable ham from recognising cssu updates Jul 02 11:35:11 merlin1991: exactly. Jul 02 11:36:51 maybe replacing it with an empty package? Jul 02 11:38:15 how would I log into my N900 from my netbook running debian stable over the usb cable.? Jul 02 11:38:29 jpinx: usb networking Jul 02 11:38:34 ~usbnetworking Jul 02 11:38:35 usbnetworking is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Jul 02 11:38:35 jpinx easy or hacky way? Jul 02 11:38:48 jpinx: ~usbnetworking Jul 02 11:38:52 mer\oth ;) Jul 02 11:38:57 ooops Jul 02 11:39:04 easiest way is to install mad-developer and click through the ui :) Jul 02 11:39:24 ~debian Jul 02 11:39:25 http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents Jul 02 11:39:28 ~debianway Jul 02 11:39:29 merlin1991: I did this years ago but forgot how Jul 02 11:39:36 ~debiansmite Jul 02 11:40:22 ~debian villev_ Jul 02 11:40:22 * infobot tells villev_ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jul 02 11:40:23 merlin1991: something about setting up ip's on each side and making a table? Jul 02 11:40:39 #debian jpinx Jul 02 11:40:45 ~debian jpinx Jul 02 11:40:45 * infobot tells jpinx to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Jul 02 11:40:56 jpinx: mad-developer starts a dhcp server for you Jul 02 11:41:08 vi_: looking up webpages on the n900 is not really an option ;) Jul 02 11:41:42 jpinx: really, The n900 has a pretty good browser which, some might say is ideal for looking at web pages. Jul 02 11:42:11 merlin1991: is there not something possible to creat the route manually? Jul 02 11:42:12 ~gentoosmite luke-jr Jul 02 11:42:13 * infobot spends 6 days recompiling luke-jr, and when it's all done, luke-jr runs 7% slower than previously Jul 02 11:43:17 vi_: and your ability to swamp irc totally underwhelms me with an 11 line display Jul 02 11:44:49 jpinx: surely lemme find my script Jul 02 11:45:40 I can see the connection inlsusb on the laptop Jul 02 11:46:33 jpinx: there are severl modules g_ether g_nokia g_Iforgotit'sname Jul 02 11:46:43 you need g_ether in order to have usbnetworking up Jul 02 12:04:51 merlin1991: I had this working some years ago so the modules are still tthere I hope Jul 02 12:43:42 join #vim Jul 02 12:43:47 no Jul 02 12:43:47 sorry ! Jul 02 12:43:55 dont tell me what do to >:O Jul 02 12:43:59 to do.. Jul 02 12:47:26 what was that about vim? Jul 02 12:47:28 ~vim Jul 02 12:47:29 methinks vim is better than emacs Jul 02 12:47:30 ~emacs Jul 02 12:47:31 extra, extra, read all about it, emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it Jul 02 12:50:17 emacs and vim are for people who cannot appreciate nano Jul 02 12:50:46 nano sucks balls, Jul 02 12:50:48 you need a screwdriver and they bring along the entire tool cabinet Jul 02 12:51:30 ~nano Jul 02 12:51:31 i guess nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 Jul 02 12:52:30 Lava_Croft: when all you know is a screwdriver, everything will look like a screw. Jul 02 12:53:14 ~pico Jul 02 12:53:14 from memory, pico is a non-free text editor. Try nano as a GPL'ed alternative, or if you insist on pico, download the source for pine from non-free, build it, and install the resulting pico_something.deb Jul 02 12:54:01 vi_: I asked my father about spareparts for you, he can get most parts with some discount. let me know if you need anything Jul 02 12:56:14 vim is the one and only editor... as you do not start emacs unless you consider booting something to start it.. Jul 02 12:59:18 chem|st: I like the cut of your gib! Jul 02 12:59:38 chem|st: Remarkably The chap in Germany refunded my money. Jul 02 12:59:50 I am very grateful for the translation you did of my letter. Jul 02 13:00:11 I then got raped by paypal taking the money. Jul 02 13:00:40 how 279 euros can become 200 GBP I shall never know. Jul 02 13:01:22 I have learned the hard way, NEVER buy second hand suspension parts. Jul 02 13:02:18 It varies. Jul 02 13:02:26 If you can personally inspect stuff, and understand it... Jul 02 13:03:01 SpeedEvil: even if I had inspected this shock I would have not known. Jul 02 13:03:08 It had no damping! Jul 02 13:03:21 Bouncy! Jul 02 13:03:23 Without fitting it or using some kind of test rig, there is no way to know. Jul 02 13:05:11 I am strong but not 9kg/mm strong. Jul 02 13:06:21 vi_: no? Jul 02 13:06:24 ;) Jul 02 13:06:43 vi_: if you want new ones gimme a shout Jul 02 13:11:05 chem|st: cheers amte! Jul 02 13:11:08 ^/mate Jul 02 13:15:09 :) Jul 02 13:15:12 moo Jul 02 13:16:57 o/ Jul 02 13:30:17 DocScrutinizer: ! Jul 02 13:47:14 hmm... how do i see which PR i'm on? Jul 02 13:47:38 kerio: settings about Jul 02 13:47:47 which one is pr 1.3? Jul 02 13:48:18 kerio: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jul 02 13:49:26 36-2 Jul 02 13:49:38 k, thanks Jul 02 13:49:47 what's the recommendation for CSSU? Jul 02 13:50:00 latest Jul 02 13:50:49 kerio: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 Jul 02 13:51:48 cssu is then something like 21.2011.38-2 or so... Jul 02 13:52:00 if testing, stable I do not know Jul 02 13:52:34 is testing stable enough? Jul 02 13:52:59 for now... but I recommend to use stable Jul 02 13:53:09 but i like testing stuff! Jul 02 13:53:23 kerio: what is your favourite linux editor? Jul 02 13:53:31 you might like to reflash if you like cssu-testing Jul 02 13:57:22 can i uninstall stuff like "amazon installer"? Jul 02 13:58:02 yes all those *installer things Jul 02 13:58:09 tutorial-home-applet? Jul 02 13:58:14 or is that updated in cssu? :P Jul 02 13:58:14 yes that too Jul 02 13:58:49 just got this new n900 (it's used, but it really looks and feels like it's new) Jul 02 13:59:09 i'm used to an old pr1.2 with some problems (including no usb) Jul 02 14:00:04 my 2year old one got its first scratch a week ago (stylus), and yesterday the backplate nose got lost^^ so only replaceable parts ;) Jul 02 14:00:46 ah and a new simcard just this weekend Jul 02 14:02:03 the guy in the shop told me "new state of the art" "what is new? voltage lower?" "no size increased" my old one was just the same but normal sim this one is micro, both 72K 1.8V Jul 02 14:03:05 wait, why do we need a "n900-fmrx-enabler" package? Jul 02 14:03:11 you get 64GB size of a microsim now what is the deal with 72K? Jul 02 14:03:27 chem|st: proprietary technology Jul 02 14:03:27 kerio: the UK version needed it I think Jul 02 14:03:28 kerio: some devices have fmrx disabled Jul 02 14:03:32 with hw crypto up the arse Jul 02 14:03:58 and asia/middle east devices too Jul 02 14:04:18 the fm*rx* is disabled? why? Jul 02 14:04:20 it makes no sense Jul 02 14:04:28 kerio: law... Jul 02 14:05:28 will cssu uninstall that mynokia crap? Jul 02 14:05:51 can't be but it touches the cherry file I htink Jul 02 14:05:53 and is there a way to not get an international SMS billed to my sim? Jul 02 14:05:58 oh, ok then Jul 02 14:06:06 touch the cherry file?! Jul 02 14:06:14 anything notable to uninstall before installing cssu? Jul 02 14:06:16 this is a clean n900 Jul 02 14:06:19 nop Jul 02 14:06:20 e Jul 02 14:07:59 what was the trick to unlock all packages in HAM? Jul 02 14:08:24 it's as if i forgot everything about the n900, considering that i couldn't actually touch anything without risking a brick Jul 02 14:10:15 i seccussed compiled nmap 6.01 on N900,but when scan network ,it output:nmap route_dst_netlink: can't find interface,,,has somebody kown why? Jul 02 14:10:48 kerio: just stay with stable and install testing or devel only if the one above is not available (extras -> testing -> devel) so you have teh most stable in terms of software but everything you need Jul 02 14:10:52 freemangordon: I was just reading about the --enable-egl-xrender-composite option. (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649525) It might have been interesting to use but it only seems to be hooked up for desktop Firefox which is why the build fails. Jul 02 14:10:53 04Bug 649525: was not found. Jul 02 14:11:58 chem|st: i'm probably going to ignore you and go with cssu testing Jul 02 14:12:46 >:D Jul 02 14:12:59 hi! who is actually developing openmediaplayer? Jul 02 14:13:03 kerio: for now it is 'ok' but you should consider to hold back a day or two with any updates coming along Jul 02 14:13:11 k, makes sense Jul 02 14:13:14 I'm looking for some information about the defective backup battery in the N900, but my google-fu is failing me. Does anyone have any pointers? Jul 02 14:13:19 will showstopping bugs be announced here? Jul 02 14:13:35 i mean, i always hang around #maemo, pretty much Jul 02 14:13:39 kerio: #maemo-ssu Jul 02 14:15:36 kerio: testing is testing so no need for announcements... if something is released to stable what should not happen to be there will be many people shouting in here I guess ;) Jul 02 14:15:52 hehe Jul 02 14:22:13 kerio: apt-get remove cherry Jul 02 14:22:25 oh so it *can* be done like that Jul 02 14:22:30 oh well Jul 02 14:22:33 uninstalls nokia spyware Jul 02 14:22:54 kerio: You can then go about removing the event.d file as well. Jul 02 14:23:16 apt-get remove ANYTHING with the word ovi in it. Jul 02 14:23:28 apt-get remove *ovi* then? Jul 02 14:24:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82641 Jul 02 14:24:32 ^relevent Jul 02 14:26:10 kerio: careful... Jul 02 14:26:20 why do people remove blocks? :( Jul 02 14:26:24 it's a cool game! Jul 02 14:26:51 kerio: because it is a pile of fucking shit. Jul 02 14:26:55 kerio: stop trolling Jul 02 14:26:58 Blocks is buggy! Jul 02 14:27:19 even fscktris plays better. Jul 02 14:27:35 I wrecked a screen protector due to blocks. Jul 02 14:27:57 "Program causes screen protector tearing" Jul 02 14:28:01 WONTFIX Jul 02 14:28:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 Jul 02 14:28:15 04Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug Jul 02 14:28:22 yeah, you told me of that one :) Jul 02 14:37:41 andre's finest hour there Jul 02 14:37:42 lol Jul 02 14:43:23 Lava_Croft: welcome back pal Jul 02 14:43:37 Lava_Croft: so about the camera on n9, did you managed? Jul 02 14:43:52 No, it cant be fixed by me Jul 02 14:43:59 needs software update Jul 02 14:45:20 Lava_Croft: did you try command i gave you? Jul 02 14:49:00 those dont work Jul 02 14:49:15 none does, its some issue introduced with whatever software update Jul 02 14:49:38 Lava_Croft: try to reinstall those apps, parts Jul 02 14:50:00 ZogG_laptop: i have already flashed the entire device Jul 02 14:50:10 Ill wait for pr1.3, since it doesnt matter, it dont work:) Jul 02 14:55:11 Lava_Croft: try the commad reboot -u it was i think Jul 02 14:56:18 really, trust me Jul 02 14:56:32 if you dont really know what you are talking about, helping someone troubleshoot is just annoying Jul 02 14:56:42 the attempt to help is appreciated nontheless Jul 02 14:56:54 reboot -u is a command used to fix the issue of having the wrong kernel Jul 02 14:57:00 after updating to PR1.1 Jul 02 15:03:11 so why is my n900 slow and unresponsive? Jul 02 15:03:33 chadi: open a terminal, launch top Jul 02 15:04:11 StyXman: nothing unusual, Xorg taking the most of the CPU Jul 02 15:04:35 when was the last reboot Jul 02 15:04:38 also, hildon-status-menu Jul 02 15:04:46 a week ago Jul 02 15:04:55 that might be the cause Jul 02 15:05:13 i made a habit out of rebooting it daily Jul 02 15:05:25 wow, that's crazy Jul 02 15:05:58 after a while, N900 becomes slow due to swap fragmentation orso Jul 02 15:06:06 i dont know the exact stuff, but something related to that Jul 02 15:06:54 I tried reducing swappiness to 30, but not much difference Jul 02 15:07:12 those tweaks never got my any noticable improvements Jul 02 15:07:19 my/me Jul 02 15:07:33 single best improvement i found is rebooting daily Jul 02 15:07:41 its not my preference either, but meh, it works Jul 02 15:07:41 lol Jul 02 15:07:41 swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 Jul 02 15:07:49 or that Jul 02 15:07:54 Lava_Croft: that is a rubbish solution. Jul 02 15:08:04 vi_: it works for me Jul 02 15:08:26 therefore its a great solution Jul 02 15:08:34 The imperial measurements system works for liberia and USA. Does not stop it from being shit. Jul 02 15:08:52 and? Jul 02 15:08:54 vi_: swapoff command not found Jul 02 15:09:00 However rebooting everyday is your right Jul 02 15:09:09 oh, root Jul 02 15:09:12 chadi: You need to do it as root. Jul 02 15:09:20 also, close all appz first. Jul 02 15:09:24 even better Jul 02 15:09:28 its my right to find it an awesome solution Jul 02 15:09:33 even tho i dont dig the imperial system Jul 02 15:10:42 Lava_Croft: good, the day I discovered there is 3 bushels to a hogshead I decided it was fail. Jul 02 15:11:04 congratulations! Jul 02 15:11:31 The best solution I have come up with is to check at 3am if the keyboard is closed and the backlight is off. If so, swapon SD, swapoff emmc, swapon emmc. swapoff sd. Jul 02 15:12:01 i.e. 3am swap defrag. Jul 02 15:12:21 vi_: got a cannot allocate memory error Jul 02 15:12:46 result of: Jul 02 15:12:51 cat /proc/swaps Jul 02 15:12:56 please Jul 02 15:13:02 rebooting would have been done by now Jul 02 15:13:04 5 times over Jul 02 15:13:09 * Lava_Croft chuckles Jul 02 15:13:10 lol Jul 02 15:13:18 heh Jul 02 15:13:18 The kid doesnt know what he is doing. Jul 02 15:13:26 Give him a break. Jul 02 15:13:30 him? Jul 02 15:13:32 vi_: one moment, I re-issued the swapoff again Jul 02 15:13:34 this was aimed at you Jul 02 15:13:36 not him Jul 02 15:13:56 Lava_Croft: believe me I can swap defrag faster than you can powerdown. Jul 02 15:14:12 chadi: cat /proc/swaps Jul 02 15:14:57 in fact I have a script, that figures out where your swap partitions are then does it for you. Jul 02 15:15:49 gaaah, HAM is so bad Jul 02 15:15:50 i think that makes you a very attractive young man Jul 02 15:15:55 why can't i pick more than one application to install? Jul 02 15:16:07 vi_: Filename Type Size Used Priority Jul 02 15:16:11 kerio: because it wants to make you suffer Jul 02 15:16:11 oops Jul 02 15:16:14 kerio: because it sucks asses. Install 'fapman' Jul 02 15:16:18 Filename Type Size Used Priority Jul 02 15:16:34 /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition 786424 142688 -1 Jul 02 15:16:40 Lava_Croft: my wife certainly thinks I am cool. Jul 02 15:17:19 vi_: why do you need an sd? Jul 02 15:17:24 chadi: I literally do not understand how you failed to paste a single line into xterm. Jul 02 15:17:25 can't you just use a swapfile in mydocs? Jul 02 15:17:39 i meant attractive, not cool! Jul 02 15:17:42 kerio: swapfile requires mounting it on a loopback device. Jul 02 15:18:02 which requires unmounting etc just to export mydocs in mass storage mode. Jul 02 15:18:20 vi_: no, i mean Jul 02 15:18:33 vi_: I did issue cat /proc/swaps --- please see the output above, I don't see what's wrong? Jul 02 15:18:49 swapon swapfile, swapoff emmcswap, swapon emmcswap, swapoff swapfile Jul 02 15:21:55 can i uninstall the qtm stuff? Jul 02 15:25:37 I have been configuring the usb network and I can ping from the N900 to my laptop but not other way around. Any pointers? Jul 02 15:26:21 firewall? =) Jul 02 15:27:59 kerio: stop uninstalling crap... Jul 02 15:28:20 what are you trying to achive? Jul 02 15:28:24 vi_: you left without telling me what is wrong with what I did :-P Jul 02 15:28:33 i'm not uninstalling anything! Jul 02 15:28:41 right now, I'm creating another swap partition on the microsd Jul 02 15:29:11 17:21 < kerio> can i uninstall the qtm stuff? Jul 02 15:29:19 chem|st: i *asked* Jul 02 15:29:33 yeah and I asked "what for?" Jul 02 15:29:42 chem|st: so it looks neater! Jul 02 15:30:04 ZogG_laptop: no firewall.. it's a simple usb cable network Jul 02 15:30:39 kerio: hammer a nail through the display... that looks neat Jul 02 15:35:21 kerio: I know what you meant by loopback in mydocs. Jul 02 15:35:54 hi Jul 02 15:36:05 As fat32 does not support sparse files you would either need it sitting there the whole time or recreate it everytime. Jul 02 15:36:16 f'it I thought, just use an SD partition. Jul 02 15:36:18 oic Jul 02 15:36:29 well, the SD partition is sitting there the whole time :P Jul 02 15:36:39 any newbees thre? Jul 02 15:36:53 what is the problem? hi Jul 02 15:37:00 kerio: I do not mind trash on my SD card. Jul 02 15:37:13 gotta save them eMMC R/W cycles a know! Jul 02 15:37:24 to me lava?? Jul 02 15:37:31 twinklstar: yeah! :) Jul 02 15:37:55 is android fully support n900? Jul 02 15:38:03 twinklstar: No. Jul 02 15:38:03 hmm, does the adblock plus package in the repos actually work? Jul 02 15:38:18 kerio: Yes, however it is *heavy* Jul 02 15:38:20 twinklstar: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?board=6.0 Jul 02 15:38:27 The NITDroid N900 forum Jul 02 15:38:32 vi__: heavier than the ads? Jul 02 15:38:39 tx lava Jul 02 15:38:43 I guess theres Android info on Maemo wiki too... Jul 02 15:38:46 r u using n900? Jul 02 15:38:47 kerio: well, that depends on what sites you visit! Jul 02 15:38:52 twinklstar: yes, but no android Jul 02 15:39:01 maemo? Jul 02 15:39:04 yup Jul 02 15:39:11 oh wow, aircrack-ng is a package in the repos? does injection work? Jul 02 15:39:16 i dont like android, but i know it works kind of ok on N900 Jul 02 15:39:17 its heard nokia nt support it Jul 02 15:39:21 kerio: ...yes. Jul 02 15:39:35 kerio: Depends which kernel you are running... Jul 02 15:40:29 kerio: for injection you need powerkernel. Jul 02 15:40:39 the latest incarnation being kp50. Jul 02 15:40:40 lava Jul 02 15:40:50 Then you need to get the wifi modules. Jul 02 15:41:03 Load em' up and hax away. Jul 02 15:41:54 twinklstar, yes but community does, and there are many new features on cssu Jul 02 15:41:58 ~cssu Jul 02 15:41:58 methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jul 02 15:42:03 those swapoff commands take a lot of time Jul 02 15:42:04 I mean legitimatley security audit your own wifi network only with the express permission of your admin. Jul 02 15:42:52 hmm, how's camkeyd actually called? Jul 02 15:43:02 camkeyd is obsolete. Jul 02 15:43:07 Use shortcutd now. Jul 02 15:43:20 k Jul 02 15:44:17 vi_, i compile nmap 6.01 on N900,but when scan network,output:route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "gprs0",do you know how to fix it? Jul 02 15:44:36 psychologe: I have no idea. Jul 02 15:44:43 vi__: where would i get the wifi modules? Jul 02 15:44:43 Nmap runs funny on n900. Jul 02 15:45:00 try running it with sudo instead from a root shell. Jul 02 15:45:54 dafuq? why does cssu features have to be in the powerbutton menu? Jul 02 15:46:09 the same,nmap --iflist ,output:INTERFACE (NOT FOUND) Jul 02 15:46:51 kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-83718.html Jul 02 15:47:07 kerio: because it is an obnoxious pile of poo. Jul 02 15:47:11 oic Jul 02 15:47:24 kerio: there is an option in cssu-features to remove powerkey entry. Jul 02 15:47:54 psychologe: I do not know then :/ Jul 02 15:48:11 oh Jul 02 15:48:53 what's "the" way to get root access? Jul 02 15:48:57 rootsh? sudser? Jul 02 15:49:35 install rootsh and sudser Jul 02 15:49:40 both? why? Jul 02 15:49:40 :o Jul 02 15:49:44 then type root from xterm Jul 02 15:49:48 kerio: I dunno. Jul 02 15:52:22 vi__: any harm if I format the linux-swap partition on mmc with 2gb? Jul 02 15:53:16 chadi: ??? Jul 02 15:53:28 vi__: what's wrong? Jul 02 15:53:35 I assume you mean you want to increase the size of the emmc swap partition? Jul 02 15:54:15 vi__: that's the sd swap space I created to use temporarily Jul 02 15:54:28 on the wiki page, they said 384MB is enough Jul 02 15:54:54 on sd I meant, sorry Jul 02 15:54:57 sd==your memory card Jul 02 15:55:13 mmc==internal flash memory Jul 02 15:55:21 yeah, I meant sd Jul 02 15:55:34 chadi: There is no harm, but there is no benefit either... Jul 02 15:56:19 I have plenty of free space that I do not use, so it's ok then. Jul 02 15:58:12 vi__: one more thing, would you be interested in sharing that script that automates the swapoff/swapon tasks? Jul 02 15:58:53 it is an alarmd script. Jul 02 15:58:57 i.e. cron Jul 02 15:59:05 wait, why is there no /bin/vi? Jul 02 15:59:06 :O Jul 02 15:59:08 what the hell Jul 02 15:59:10 i thought this was unix Jul 02 16:00:02 kerio: heh Jul 02 16:00:14 most of maemo is provided by busybox Jul 02 16:00:23 for some unknown reason. Jul 02 16:00:38 so vi is infact a symlink to busybox vi Jul 02 16:00:42 ~busybox Jul 02 16:00:43 [busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. Jul 02 16:01:06 fullfat vim is in the repositories. Jul 02 16:01:13 It works nicely. Jul 02 16:01:16 vi__: no, there's no /bin/vi for me Jul 02 16:01:30 kerio: then the symlink is somewhere else. Jul 02 16:01:57 chadi: My copy of pastebinit is broke this moment and I have to go so I will have to show and tell another time. Jul 02 16:02:07 also, poweroff and poweron! Jul 02 16:02:27 kerio: /usr/bin/vi Jul 02 16:02:35 wtf, what is /usr/sbin/gainroot Jul 02 16:02:37 it used to be neater Jul 02 16:02:54 vi__: it's ok, thank you anyway :-) Jul 02 16:11:34 can i chsh to something better than busybox? Jul 02 16:15:30 apt-get install bash && chsh /usr/local/bin/bash Jul 02 16:15:42 you surely will have issue with backupmenu or similar if you change root shell Jul 02 16:30:55 Are we using the latest available SGX driver? I was just wondering due to reported missing EGL extensions from the Fennec renderer. Jul 02 16:32:08 freemangordon: I changed the configure.in to only require our gstreamer version if MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO=5 seemed to compile okay. Jul 02 16:35:42 bash 3 or bash 4? Jul 02 16:37:38 what/where are the default settings for firewalling in maemo on the n900 ? Jul 02 16:43:16 anybody frm india? Jul 02 16:47:41 jpinx: no defaults, no firewall Jul 02 16:48:30 cehteh: any idea why it won't return pings over usb network? Jul 02 16:48:44 misconfiguration? Jul 02 16:48:56 cehteh: but it can ping the laptop Jul 02 16:48:58 or some other limitation? Jul 02 16:49:23 routing error? ptp net? ppp? .. whatever check your routing tables and whateer Jul 02 16:49:28 cehteh: "other limitation" ? Jul 02 16:49:42 dunno debug it Jul 02 16:49:49 can you ssh to it? Jul 02 16:49:55 cehteh: nope Jul 02 16:50:00 hmm, i'm missing a pubkey apparently Jul 02 16:50:20 prolly a routing error or laptop firewall problem Jul 02 16:51:18 cehteh: ok. this is day 3 debugging :( Jul 02 16:51:29 cehteh: thanks :) Jul 02 16:51:36 :) Jul 02 16:52:04 well my crystal sphere is out of order, i cant help you Jul 02 16:52:43 jpinx: how du you connect your n900 to your laptop? Jul 02 16:52:47 *do Jul 02 16:53:15 freemangordon: usb cable Jul 02 16:53:23 the nokia one ;) Jul 02 16:53:30 zeq1: now, we use 13, latest is 1.4 Jul 02 16:54:00 jpinx: how do you bring USB networking up? Jul 02 16:54:20 do you have usb0 interface on your n900? Jul 02 16:54:25 ifconfig usb0 up Jul 02 16:54:45 and what is you usb0 IP address? Jul 02 16:54:45 I down it and re-up it evertimey Jul 02 16:55:14 n900 is 192.168.2.15 Jul 02 16:55:20 and laptop? Jul 02 16:55:25 and lsptop is ...16 Jul 02 16:55:45 what os is your laptop? Jul 02 16:55:48 and mask on both is 255.255.255.0 Jul 02 16:55:56 debian squeeze Jul 02 16:56:22 do you execute ping as root? Jul 02 16:57:07 freemangordon: yes .. working everythin as root on both till I get a result Jul 02 16:58:31 did you try to ifconfig down all ifaces bot usb0 and purge iptables/routing table on your laptop? Jul 02 16:58:43 *but Jul 02 16:59:31 freemangordon: yes.. I fell short of re-booting both.. that's next ;) Jul 02 17:00:27 so, you can ping your laptop from your n900, but cannot ping n900 from the laptop? that is strange Jul 02 17:00:52 freemangordon: tell me about that purging you mention? Jul 02 17:01:29 iirc iptables -f should be the command to flush iptables rules Jul 02 17:01:45 have in mind there WILL BE NO rules after that Jul 02 17:02:15 freemangordon: how o back them up first? ;) Jul 02 17:02:16 and you can check "ip route" or "route" for how to delete routing Jul 02 17:02:27 jpinx: iptables-save Jul 02 17:03:13 but a simple reboot should do the job too :) Jul 02 17:03:19 where does that get saved? Jul 02 17:03:58 wherever you want, it spits the current config on the console, pipe it Jul 02 17:04:20 ok Jul 02 17:05:04 freemangordon: I have something else to finish. then I'll do that save and reboot. Thanks.. see you later ;) Jul 02 17:05:25 freemangordon: you've been most helpful :) Jul 02 17:09:00 vi__: ping Jul 02 17:11:48 yo bro. Jul 02 17:11:55 freemangordon: uh poong. Jul 02 17:14:05 seems nokia.com is fubar, I think i've just reset someone else passowrd Jul 02 17:14:10 vi__: ^^^ Jul 02 17:14:29 bwahahaa. Jul 02 17:14:51 I don't know what is linked, but my name appears as anonymous user :D:D:D Jul 02 17:14:55 yeah. It looked like my account was pointing to aua new guinea as well. Jul 02 17:15:04 freemangordon: If you get to a 'cancel windows phone project' screen, click yes. Jul 02 17:15:04 that is not developer.nokia.com, but nokia.com Jul 02 17:15:16 you have to create a nokia.com account. Jul 02 17:15:38 THEN link it to your old developer.nokia account. Jul 02 17:15:59 vi___: But I linked it, as I have one because of n900 Jul 02 17:16:11 you know, the OVI shit Jul 02 17:16:25 anyway, it is funny Jul 02 17:16:39 freemangordon: forget everything you think you know. Jul 02 17:16:41 you have to create a nokia.com account. Jul 02 17:16:45 THEN link it to your old developer.nokia account. Jul 02 17:17:06 freemangordon: yeah, I reset some chumps account like 5 times. Jul 02 17:17:11 vi___: I can log on to both nokia.com and developer.nokia.com Jul 02 17:17:35 freemangordon: dang. You must have chosen a unique user name then. Jul 02 17:17:39 and my detail are ok on developer.nokia.com Jul 02 17:17:46 the whole thing is a clusterfuck. Jul 02 17:17:53 yeah Jul 02 17:18:21 what kind of retard merges 3 user databases with no sanity checks? Jul 02 17:18:49 I just hope they double check all the addresses before shipping the devices. Jul 02 17:20:06 I think we all hope :) Jul 02 17:20:34 you might get a lumia replacement if yours gets lost! Jul 02 17:20:47 vi__: I can bet those are some M$ SQL "admins" with a bunch of certificates ;) Jul 02 17:21:10 doing drag-n-drop of the tables Jul 02 17:22:46 gtg Jul 02 17:22:47 brb Jul 02 17:22:53 quit Jul 02 17:38:16 hmm, my second n900 is still under warranty according to Nokia. I wonder which exactly EU authority should be contacted if Nokia pulls the plug tomorrow. Jul 02 17:39:04 freemangordon: got ssh'd into the n900 and running ssh over gprs now - thanks :) Jul 02 17:39:18 what was the problem? Jul 02 17:39:31 freemangordon: fwiw there were no entries in either iptables Jul 02 17:39:38 good Jul 02 17:39:48 but? Jul 02 17:39:51 freemangordon: I did a reboot and manually set up usb= on the laptop Jul 02 17:39:57 aaah Jul 02 17:40:00 ...usb0 Jul 02 17:40:28 whcih s no bad thing 'cos it'll remind me how to do it again int he future ;) Jul 02 17:41:28 now I nwee to work out how to get the full connection using the n900's gprs to let me browse etc on the laptop --- and clues ?= Jul 02 17:42:05 \me wonders if he is the only one without nokia account problems... Jul 02 17:42:16 * qwazix_900 wonders if he is the only one without nokia account problems... Jul 02 17:42:29 damn backslash... Jul 02 17:50:12 jpinx: is there a reason you don't want to simply plug in the usb lead, and tether ormally? Jul 02 17:50:22 freemangordon: What do you mean pulls the plug? Jul 02 17:51:07 SpeedEvil: not sure what you mean - I have never managed to usethe n900 as a modem from the debian laptop Jul 02 17:52:02 I have Jul 02 17:54:32 Proteous: any help in making the n900 work as a modem would be greatly appreciated ;) Jul 02 17:59:30 It's been a little while, but I just hooked it up, slected PC Suit Mode on the n900 and used wvdial with the correct settings for tmobile to make the connection Jul 02 18:04:10 Proteous: ok - I've never looked at wvdial Jul 02 18:04:46 * jpinx goes hunting.... Jul 02 18:14:46 friggin knetworkmanager just *seems* to connect via GPRS Jul 02 18:21:13 SpeedEvil: removes my access to downloadable firmware Jul 02 18:21:39 for example Jul 02 18:21:41 I question if that's a warranty issue. Jul 02 18:22:05 If you can't fix it, return to nokia care, for warranty service. Jul 02 18:22:12 - who may then choose to replace it Jul 02 18:22:34 well, I think it is, and I am sure maemo.org is mentioned somewhere in EULA and Use Manual Jul 02 18:22:43 *User Jul 02 18:22:58 SpeedEvil: I don;t think it works like that, at least here Jul 02 18:23:02 k Jul 02 18:23:16 Well - ovi store is mentioned in the manual too Jul 02 18:23:48 it will start a war if some support centre replaces a device without first asking the user. Not only Nokia, in general Jul 02 18:24:19 but noone cares enough for OVI Jul 02 18:24:40 Err - what? Jul 02 18:24:47 That's been happening for the last year Jul 02 18:24:56 Do you care for OVI store? Jul 02 18:25:03 The replacing devices Jul 02 18:25:21 SpeedEvil: I said "here" :) Jul 02 18:25:21 freemangordon: look at all the wars started already ;-P Jul 02 18:25:25 ah Jul 02 18:25:44 whereever that is Jul 02 18:26:07 At least I am not aware of such an "accident" happened in Bulgaria Jul 02 18:26:19 haha Jul 02 18:26:20 "her" is Bulgaria Jul 02 18:26:23 *here Jul 02 18:26:41 Whoever the manifacturer is Jul 02 18:26:41 I'd bet you had better chances in Japan Jul 02 18:27:30 maybe, never been in Japan :) Jul 02 18:29:00 DocScrutinizer51: saw the post from SD69 re X-Fade? Jul 02 18:39:59 Proteous: ok - installed wvdial and looking at configs, but it wants a number to dial and my provider uses an access point name. How to resolve this? Jul 02 18:42:39 nope Jul 02 18:42:57 this might be of interest here: http://gsoc.sitedethib.com/posts/apt-get_install_gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf/ Jul 02 18:43:12 DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1230162&postcount=99 Jul 02 18:44:29 StyXman: gcc 4.7 still has some neon bugs, should be fixed these days Jul 02 18:45:13 DAFAQ! Jul 02 18:45:20 >:-((( Jul 02 18:45:33 yep, dafaq :(:(:( Jul 02 18:46:01 looks like game over Jul 02 18:46:29 :nod: Jul 02 18:47:14 well, at least merlin1991 and Pali have mirrored extras and what not else. Jul 02 18:47:29 probably they evaluated bitching of community for a few weeks against bitching of council for 6 months Jul 02 18:47:40 :) Jul 02 18:48:10 sad story Jul 02 18:49:11 sorry to all the reasonable council members to whom my above comment obviously doesn't apply Jul 02 18:49:40 the rest will know Jul 02 18:52:54 DocScrutinizer: Maybe I am wrong, but I think CA thingie was a prelude to this. And I am almost ready to bet noone will get a CA. Or I am paranoid :) Jul 02 18:53:14 LOL Jul 02 18:54:10 But the fact that I am paranoid, does not mean noone's watching me :D Jul 02 18:54:34 I still don'T give a flying F about CA, but yes, they also pushed out last N900 via DDP when they stopped all sales and service on it Jul 02 18:54:54 (don't know if that is just a local joke or spread internationaly) Jul 02 18:55:17 the point are not the devices, you saw what has happened Jul 02 18:55:22 quite global Jul 02 18:55:50 dang, their spin doctors must be brilliant Jul 02 18:56:19 you still have your question unanswered Jul 02 18:56:22 or maybe maemo community is actually just 95% morons Jul 02 18:57:13 have a hard time to believe THAT though Jul 02 18:57:29 question? Jul 02 18:57:44 yeah, what is the benefit;) Jul 02 18:58:07 remember? Jul 02 18:58:16 getting rid of cruft without throwing into bin Jul 02 18:58:25 yes Jul 02 18:59:02 or rather: daddy gives heritage from his warm hands Jul 02 18:59:16 just the day before he dies Jul 02 18:59:30 do you believe in that? Jul 02 18:59:34 yes Jul 02 18:59:49 as maemo/meego been always a sub-dept in Nokia Jul 02 18:59:58 the bastard son Jul 02 19:00:34 an attempt from quim/kate/whoever in Nokia to give the community what is possible? Jul 02 19:00:38 now they are closing fown for good, they want to give to community whatever they can Jul 02 19:00:40 ok, could be Jul 02 19:01:10 and before they didn't in your opinion Jul 02 19:01:37 but my concpiracy story sounds good, isn't it? :D:D:D Jul 02 19:01:38 I'm extremely interested in fate of maemo[TM] Jul 02 19:01:44 what is the kate's nickname on TMO btw, i don't know what she did at all Jul 02 19:01:54 some dusty shelf Jul 02 19:02:04 probably Jul 02 19:02:10 worst thing to happen Jul 02 19:02:23 kate AFAIK, not that I know what she has done Jul 02 19:02:37 DocScrutinizer: the have no option Jul 02 19:02:42 *they Jul 02 19:02:46 yep Jul 02 19:03:09 unless somebody just says "so WTF? kickit!" Jul 02 19:03:10 imagine givving fremnantle/harmattan to sammy Jul 02 19:03:40 give it to FSF or whomever, CA Jul 02 19:03:50 mozilla Jul 02 19:04:02 * freemangordon needs finger sharpener too, zeq, would you land me yours? Jul 02 19:04:03 linux foundation Jul 02 19:04:15 With Elop ahead? Jul 02 19:04:22 man, come on Jul 02 19:04:25 freemangordon: LOL Jul 02 19:04:36 can't we just stab elop? Jul 02 19:04:46 I'm talking about the trademark Jul 02 19:04:53 maybe Jul 02 19:05:12 but without strong support that will go nowhere Jul 02 19:05:20 strong as in company Jul 02 19:05:21 the domain Jul 02 19:05:33 aaah, yeah Jul 02 19:05:46 afaik it is a property of reggie Jul 02 19:06:06 maemo.org ? NAH! Jul 02 19:06:24 at least Pali posted son DNS records Jul 02 19:06:28 lemme check Jul 02 19:06:32 so X-fade was employed to do his job? Jul 02 19:06:41 talk.maemo.org is hosted by reggie Jul 02 19:06:58 no , it was doing it for fun :P Jul 02 19:07:01 *he Jul 02 19:07:23 DocScrutinizer, board put him there. Jul 02 19:07:35 DocScrutinizer, you'd have to oust most of the board if you wanted a new direction. Jul 02 19:07:35 talk.maemo.org. 15358 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. Jul 02 19:07:45 meh, cnmae Jul 02 19:07:45 freemangordon: some people in community do the job without payment Jul 02 19:07:58 I knew that Jul 02 19:08:03 everybody did Jul 02 19:08:50 DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about X-Fade. i think his work was great paid or not paid. just interesting Jul 02 19:10:11 Domain Name:MAEMO.ORG Jul 02 19:10:13 Created On:07-Feb-2005 16:26:32 UTC Jul 02 19:10:14 Last Updated On:07-Jan-2012 10:20:04 UTC Jul 02 19:10:16 Expiration Date:07-Feb-2013 16:26:32 UTC Jul 02 19:10:17 Sponsoring Registrar:MarkMonitor Inc. (R37-LROR) Jul 02 19:10:19 S Jul 02 19:10:20 my state raised the tax on ciggarettes another $1 Jul 02 19:10:28 cigarettes in chicago are now $10.75/pack Jul 02 19:10:35 Registrant Name:Nokia Corporation Jul 02 19:10:37 Registrant Organization:Nokia Corporation Jul 02 19:10:38 Registrant Street1:P.O.Box 226 Jul 02 19:10:38 drug peddlers Jul 02 19:10:40 Registrant Street2:Nokia Group Jul 02 19:10:49 yeah :( Jul 02 19:11:13 Registrant Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com Jul 02 19:11:21 heh Jul 02 19:11:33 DocScrutinizer: i'm surprised they're still paying for maemo.org Jul 02 19:11:36 Admin Name:Nokia dnsauthority Jul 02 19:11:37 Admin Organization:Nokia Corporation Jul 02 19:11:39 Macer: quit smoking cigarettes, use cigars Jul 02 19:11:39 Admin Street1:P.O.Box 226 Jul 02 19:11:40 Admin Street2:Nokia Group Jul 02 19:11:53 freemangordon: lol.. i've just decided to quit smoking them all altogether ;) Jul 02 19:12:02 Tech Name:Nokia Hostmaster Jul 02 19:12:03 smart move Jul 02 19:12:03 Tech Organization:Nokia Corporation Jul 02 19:12:05 Tech Street1:P.O.Box 301 Jul 02 19:12:06 Tech Street2:Nokia Group Jul 02 19:12:15 freemangordon: you wouldn't be saying that if you felt like i felt right now heh Jul 02 19:12:27 i'm about to dig my nails into wood Jul 02 19:13:12 Macer: I know, i've tried to quit smoking several times Jul 02 19:13:44 freemangordon: maybe you'd have more success if they tried to make you pay over $10 for a pack of cigarettes Jul 02 19:13:47 that is just outrageous Jul 02 19:14:00 the actual pack is like $3.... taxes = $7+ Jul 02 19:14:30 225% tax on cigarettes Jul 02 19:14:32 I'd just import 100kg tobacco for gardening Jul 02 19:15:07 special biological fertilizer Jul 02 19:15:30 DocScrutinizer: they're very strict on the growing of tobacco Jul 02 19:15:32 with pesticide Jul 02 19:15:38 DocScrutinizer: you can plant grass in between the tobbaco Jul 02 19:15:52 the atf would be beating down your door Jul 02 19:16:04 no atf in Europe :P Jul 02 19:16:10 you got me wrong Jul 02 19:16:16 i mean what kind of country has an agency specifically dedicated to alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? Jul 02 19:16:24 doesn't that seem like ... odd to anybody? Jul 02 19:16:35 it's america Jul 02 19:16:38 at least alcohol and tobacco are agricultural Jul 02 19:16:40 what do you expect? Jul 02 19:16:50 how the hell do firearms fit in to that agency? :) Jul 02 19:17:03 I'm not importing 100kg peat from Ireland, but 100kg organic material for fertilizing from Netherlands Jul 02 19:17:10 :D:D:D Jul 02 19:17:12 LOL Jul 02 19:17:20 from Netherlands, yay Jul 02 19:17:27 DocScrutinizer: they'd beat down your door and take it all away Jul 02 19:17:39 well, Wako Jul 02 19:17:45 they'd use some obscure law.. i bet it would be the irs that does it too.. they're the worst of the worst Jul 02 19:17:47 Macer: i think it would stop before it gets to your home Jul 02 19:17:52 * DocScrutinizer warms up the MTHELs Jul 02 19:18:00 ZogG_laptop: probably Jul 02 19:18:14 ZogG_laptop: i bet the council members at the atf can grow their own tobacco Jul 02 19:18:16 :) Jul 02 19:18:33 USA :-x Jul 02 19:18:39 you asked for it... Jul 02 19:18:47 DocScrutinizer: tell me about it. Jul 02 19:19:12 totally shot ourselves in the feet for about 5 decades Jul 02 19:19:23 indeed Jul 02 19:19:31 literally Jul 02 19:19:41 ;-P Jul 02 19:20:22 Macer: i bet they grow different stuff Jul 02 19:20:29 Macer, welcome to prohibition. Jul 02 19:20:47 and it is not funny as it seems our own EU smartasses are trying to head us in the same direction Jul 02 19:20:50 GeneralAntilles: they ended prohibition for alcohol ;) Jul 02 19:20:57 Macer, mostly. Jul 02 19:21:08 But ATF is a legacy of that insanity. Jul 02 19:21:18 US's political class is completely out of control. Jul 02 19:21:24 i think the problem with marijuana is that the govt needs to get a taste of all that extra tax revenue Jul 02 19:21:25 it's all about profit Jul 02 19:21:28 then they won't care ;) Jul 02 19:21:47 Right now the government is just enforcing a monopoly for cartels. Jul 02 19:21:48 hi GeneralAntilles Jul 02 19:21:50 once someone somewhere taxes it and winds up filthy rich... then it will snow ball heh Jul 02 19:21:51 How messed up is that? Jul 02 19:21:54 hi DocScrutinizer Jul 02 19:21:55 welcome to a sad day Jul 02 19:21:58 what I really don't get how you can fit so many different agencies for silly stuff into 1 budget Jul 02 19:22:03 but it's always a good blame — drugs and money thye need to fight it Jul 02 19:22:12 GeneralAntilles: well... not really. the problem is any legalization of any drug in any form leads to the laying off of many officers in law enforcement Jul 02 19:22:39 Macer, I'm not suggesting that as the motivation for the continued fighting of the drug war. Jul 02 19:22:43 if the fed legalized marijuana tomorrow then over the next year thousands of dea, fbi, local, etc people would be laid off Jul 02 19:22:53 Macer, I'm saying that's what the effective result of their policies. Jul 02 19:23:07 which politically makes it look like you chose druggies over good hard working law officers Jul 02 19:23:15 And local police and sheriff departments would get millions of dollars in reduced funding and equipment. Jul 02 19:23:25 They'd also lose the drug forfeiture gravy train. Jul 02 19:23:35 GeneralAntilles: they can make up for it with their newfound marijuana tax heh Jul 02 19:23:54 Marijuana is only a part of the problem. Jul 02 19:24:02 GeneralAntilles: but it is a huge one Jul 02 19:24:11 i think it's a key point Jul 02 19:24:34 GeneralAntilles: if you lose marijuana being illegal. you lay off thousands of people in law enforcement Jul 02 19:24:39 Macer, the mentality of legislating morality is at the core of the issue. Jul 02 19:24:50 the dea probably has a HUGE dept dedicated to only marijuana Jul 02 19:24:54 when it's not that harmful but if you legalize a lot of people wouldn't do it as it's legal and not tampting so much Jul 02 19:25:06 GeneralAntilles: but alcohol and cigarettes are ok Jul 02 19:25:10 as well a lot wouldn't go futher to heavier things Jul 02 19:25:23 ZogG_laptop: I don't know, it's here illegal aswell and we're not walking in potheads Jul 02 19:25:26 GeneralAntilles: cigarettes are KNOWN to cause cancer.... KNOWN Jul 02 19:25:30 like in netherland - they have less drug problems than countries where it's illegal Jul 02 19:25:33 but they have their tax revenue Jul 02 19:25:50 if they prohibit cigarettes about 20 states will no longer function Jul 02 19:25:55 if not more Jul 02 19:25:57 Just legalize everything. Jul 02 19:26:07 The government has no business deciding what you do with your own body. Jul 02 19:26:23 GeneralAntilles: some things can hamr others Jul 02 19:26:23 GeneralAntilles: no.. even i agree that some drugs have a seriously major impact on the overall good of society Jul 02 19:26:39 GeneralAntilles: for exanple someone on acid take knife and kill everyone Jul 02 19:26:40 Macer, the negative impact of the enforcement is a much BIGGER issue. Jul 02 19:26:46 That which is seen and that which is unseen. Jul 02 19:26:48 ie: heroin, meth... that seriously messes people up and they eventually start to affect others Jul 02 19:27:11 Enforcing a cartel monopoly with tax dollars is messed up. Jul 02 19:27:33 GeneralAntilles: no what is messed up is that the govts don't really want to go to war with the cartels ;) Jul 02 19:27:49 if the govt really wanted to it could probably eliminate 90% of their crops and operations Jul 02 19:27:54 in 1 day Jul 02 19:27:54 Guys, Macer is trying to quit smoking, show some empathy :P Jul 02 19:28:18 Macer: i quit smoking everyday =) Jul 02 19:28:41 how nice the dialog about domain got to this point Jul 02 19:28:50 heh... i'll be doing pretty good later when i'm keeping $350/month from not smoking Jul 02 19:29:06 that's almost enough money to buy the cheapest Kia out there haha Jul 02 19:29:07 Macer, like I said, they're enforcing a cartel monopoly. Jul 02 19:29:25 GeneralAntilles: the devil you know... Jul 02 19:29:50 All drugs are demonstrably harmful Jul 02 19:29:55 In one way or another. Jul 02 19:30:07 GeneralAntilles: but on other side people are people and if it's not controled it can get it worser Jul 02 19:30:08 so is all food ;) Jul 02 19:30:14 Macer, exactly. Jul 02 19:30:27 i can't really think of much of anything that ISN'T harmful Jul 02 19:30:30 So there's no really moral or philosophical consistency to deciding "This is legal, this isn't legal." Jul 02 19:30:35 Just legalize ALL OF IT. Jul 02 19:30:39 BUT... some of the drugs are just way too far... meth for example Jul 02 19:30:45 if you legalized meth what do you think would happen? :) Jul 02 19:30:53 It'd be better than it is now. Jul 02 19:30:57 everybody would be hanging out all happy go lucky Jul 02 19:31:02 staying up for days Jul 02 19:31:03 Look at alcohol usage during prohibition. Jul 02 19:31:05 Bullshit Jul 02 19:31:09 People already use it Jul 02 19:31:12 heh Jul 02 19:31:23 It's quite clear that prohibition doesn't really reduce the usage of hard drugs. Jul 02 19:31:25 alcohol prohibition was awesome Jul 02 19:31:31 It just makes their use more expensive and more dangerous. Jul 02 19:31:40 but back then the mob could go toe to toe with the govt Jul 02 19:31:44 Macer, and there were more alcohol poisonings and alcohol-related crime than there is now. Jul 02 19:31:49 nowadays i doubt if that would be possible Jul 02 19:32:23 Prohibition just increases crime and the danger-factors involved with the prohibited substance Jul 02 19:32:29 heh... well. it was still an awesome era Jul 02 19:32:30 people will use it whether it's illegal or not. Jul 02 19:32:37 if i could go back in time it would be during the 20s-30s Jul 02 19:33:00 GeneralAntilles: heh... yeah i suppose Jul 02 19:33:23 but that arguement could be similar to "Legalize murder... people will kill other people whether it is legal or not." Jul 02 19:33:40 where do you draw the line? ;) Jul 02 19:34:21 anyways.. i'm going to eat Jul 02 19:34:25 then go for a run Jul 02 19:34:35 with my lumia 900 ;) lol Jul 02 19:34:52 tried with the N900 a couple days ago and i swear the thing would not lock on its gps Jul 02 19:35:26 use supl.google.com Jul 02 19:35:41 we know Nokia is in free fall mode Jul 02 19:35:53 ragdoll Jul 02 19:36:00 not that supl.nokia.com was good during last 18 months Jul 02 19:36:13 No penicillin until the late 20s. Jul 02 19:36:16 No thanks. Jul 02 19:37:18 could you please add nicks, so I at least know it's me or I have to ignore the partial convo or look up logs Jul 02 19:37:19 DocScrutinizer: i had supl.google.com set up ;) Jul 02 19:37:22 it still didn't lock Jul 02 19:37:30 i gave up Jul 02 19:37:33 unusual Jul 02 19:37:44 does supl require gsm? Jul 02 19:37:54 err, sure Jul 02 19:38:01 even GPRS Jul 02 19:38:02 :) Jul 02 19:38:07 i figured it could just downloa the data via wifi Jul 02 19:38:14 nah Jul 02 19:38:19 it's realtime Jul 02 19:38:24 oh Jul 02 19:38:25 with ticks Jul 02 19:38:30 well that explains it then ;) Jul 02 19:38:32 i had no sim in it Jul 02 19:39:10 other devices know how to download ephem for next 4 weeks. Seems Nokia GPS not Jul 02 19:39:11 well, it should lock in about 10-20 minutes Jul 02 19:39:33 if you don't move Jul 02 19:39:45 freemangordon: lol. yeah i tried Jul 02 19:39:50 asl SpeedEvil though, he's the pope of GPS Jul 02 19:39:58 ask* Jul 02 19:40:00 i got fed up and just ordered an oversized arm band for my lumia 900 Jul 02 19:40:06 which locks in like... 5s ;) Jul 02 19:40:19 fake Jul 02 19:40:20 sim card in it? Jul 02 19:40:27 yeah heh Jul 02 19:40:33 it just pretends to lock Jul 02 19:40:40 from my experience, even if you have sim, but have no roaming Jul 02 19:40:42 any sighn of traffic going? Jul 02 19:40:45 it is still very slow Jul 02 19:40:55 DocScrutinizer: pretends? Jul 02 19:40:59 it's pretty damn accurate ;) Jul 02 19:41:12 yeah, after 60s it is Jul 02 19:41:18 yes, it takes some time to have a precise lock Jul 02 19:41:19 if you have a clear view of the sky, it looks in a few minutes though Jul 02 19:41:23 btw my N900 does exactly same Jul 02 19:41:23 and then works as usual Jul 02 19:41:39 DocScrutinizer: mine doesn't :-P Jul 02 19:41:46 Macer: you tried it outdoors? Jul 02 19:41:48 no sim tho Jul 02 19:41:51 freemangordon: yes Jul 02 19:41:56 hmm, strange Jul 02 19:42:00 i was out there in my PT gear wanting to run waiting for a lock Jul 02 19:42:05 for like 20-30 mins lol Jul 02 19:42:14 gave up and just got the lumia 900 Jul 02 19:42:20 PT gear? Jul 02 19:42:23 starting 'Fahrplan' it takes less than me hitting next button "search" for the notifier "GPS now available" Jul 02 19:42:36 is that a car? Jul 02 19:42:56 PT gear.. uhm... workout clothes Jul 02 19:43:03 aah Jul 02 19:43:05 :) Jul 02 19:43:11 PT = Physical Training Jul 02 19:43:21 geez.. weren't any of you guys in the military? Jul 02 19:43:26 the suit that walks you Jul 02 19:43:29 :) Jul 02 19:43:30 well, this is strange then Jul 02 19:43:33 yeah, got it Jul 02 19:43:37 :) Jul 02 19:44:09 Macer: I was, sitting on the keyboard most of the time :P Jul 02 19:44:31 military? are you crazy? they got scared of me ;-P Jul 02 19:44:37 :D:D:D Jul 02 19:45:52 freemangordon: CF-29 Toughbook? :-D Jul 02 19:45:56 heh Jul 02 19:46:02 i had the best time of my life in the USMC :) Jul 02 19:46:09 other than getting shot at in iraq it was great Jul 02 19:46:30 i feel bad for some of my friends.. they are actually getting cut Jul 02 19:46:38 WOW... obama! change!! Jul 02 19:46:45 Macer: well, I guess you Americans need getting shot at to feel at home Jul 02 19:46:49 he's reducing the military heh Jul 02 19:46:55 DocScrutinizer: not all of us ;) Jul 02 19:47:00 only those of us from inner cities Jul 02 19:47:01 LOL Jul 02 19:47:20 although i suppose you have an occasional rural shoot out Jul 02 19:47:29 especially in texas Jul 02 19:47:40 hehe Jul 02 19:48:02 X-Fade: ping Jul 02 19:49:01 cleven doesn't correctly load the backported wifi drivers :( Jul 02 19:49:24 * freemangordon was thinking doc is on X-Fade's ignore list :P Jul 02 19:49:28 i need a new scifi show to watch :-/ Jul 02 19:49:41 dunno, I might try anyway Jul 02 19:50:00 Macer: marijuana legalized? you know that scifi show? Jul 02 19:50:22 haha Jul 02 19:58:36 * DocScrutinizer feels like getting a beer on the health of x-fade Jul 02 19:59:09 will a microusb-M-to-usb-F adapter from a N8 fit in the N900? Jul 02 19:59:21 no Jul 02 19:59:28 shame Jul 02 19:59:35 what do i need for host mode? Jul 02 19:59:59 a filed down microusb-M-to-usb-F adapter from a N8 Jul 02 20:00:10 k Jul 02 20:00:11 ;-) Jul 02 20:00:19 what do i have to file down? Jul 02 20:00:29 or s simple CA-157 cable and a F-F adapter Jul 02 20:00:31 pics or it didn't happen Jul 02 20:00:35 jpinx: little late but try #99# or *99# in wvdial Jul 02 20:01:17 kerio: try a usbhost cable from a galaxy s2 Jul 02 20:01:36 it fits (i haven't made sure it works thoug) Jul 02 20:01:43 doesn't that also have a micro-A plug? Jul 02 20:02:30 no, strangely, micro-B Jul 02 20:02:36 cya l8r Jul 02 20:02:42 got one for the Gnote Jul 02 20:03:04 * DocScrutinizer heads out to get drunk and forget about Nokia Jul 02 20:03:05 hm, there's no reaver package in the repos Jul 02 20:03:07 why is that? Jul 02 20:09:43 ~jrtools Jul 02 20:09:48 DocScrutinizer: link pls Jul 02 20:10:44 also, does anyone know how to get the missing gpg key my apt complains about? Jul 02 20:14:12 vi__: are you around? Jul 02 20:19:15 what the hell is "Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils"? Jul 02 20:31:40 hmm, why shouldn't one use the "bleeding edge" wifi drivers? Jul 02 21:12:35 /win 25 Jul 02 21:23:35 /lose 50 Jul 02 21:25:57 :P Jul 02 21:26:53 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jul 02 21:28:07 ~jrtools Jul 02 21:28:07 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 02 22:52:44 what's up infobot Jul 02 22:52:57 infobot, i'm talking to you Jul 02 22:53:07 ~ping Jul 02 22:53:07 ~pong Jul 02 22:53:16 ~hello Jul 02 22:53:16 Howdy Bub Jul 02 22:53:18 ~rape RiD Jul 02 22:53:18 * infobot takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jul 02 22:53:28 what just happened Jul 02 22:53:38 ~kill ZogG_laptop Jul 02 22:53:38 * infobot shoots a excited fluxtachyon gun at ZogG_laptop Jul 02 22:53:41 oh nice Jul 02 22:53:42 you finally lost your virginity Jul 02 22:53:47 * RiD cries Jul 02 22:59:53 ~botsnack Jul 02 22:59:53 aw, gee, qwazix_900 Jul 02 23:00:12 ~where are you? Jul 02 23:00:12 I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W Jul 02 23:00:43 ~kill everybody Jul 02 23:00:44 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at everybody Jul 02 23:01:34 ok, now that everybody is dead I can go to sleep... Jul 02 23:02:13 lol Jul 02 23:02:38 we need to make maemo quotes or something Jul 02 23:39:00 infobot, what is twat? Jul 02 23:39:01 suck it hard! Jul 02 23:39:04 what Jul 02 23:39:10 infobot, what is twat? Jul 02 23:39:11 suck it hard! Jul 02 23:39:19 infobot, what is idiot? Jul 02 23:39:21 [idiot] you Jul 02 23:39:30 infobot, what is twatty? Jul 02 23:39:33 I think you lost me on that one, RiD Jul 02 23:39:37 Nice Jul 02 23:39:46 lol Jul 02 23:40:15 infobot no, a twatty is a different way of saying twat Jul 02 23:40:15 RiD: okay Jul 02 23:40:25 infobot, what is twatty? Jul 02 23:40:26 well, twatty is a different way of saying twat Jul 02 23:40:30 :D Jul 02 23:45:36 o_O Jul 02 23:46:16 RiD: i'm here :| Jul 02 23:46:18 infobot, how to flash my n900? Jul 02 23:46:19 what do you want from me? Jul 02 23:46:34 infobot: how to get rid of RiD ? Jul 02 23:46:50 he's dead :O Jul 02 23:46:58 you killed it! Jul 02 23:47:01 infobot, what is N900? Jul 02 23:47:02 i guess n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside Jul 02 23:47:20 infobot no, N900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer Jul 02 23:47:20 okay, RiD Jul 02 23:47:27 infobot, what is N900? Jul 02 23:47:27 n900 is probably a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer Jul 02 23:47:32 get it, alehorst? Jul 02 23:47:43 oops, wrong nick. alex- ? Jul 02 23:47:48 alehorst: Jul 02 23:47:49 lol Jul 02 23:47:57 why do we need that RiD ? Jul 02 23:48:09 well, PM Jul 02 23:48:12 http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg Jul 02 23:48:36 Raimu don't laugh at me. laugh at alex-! Jul 03 00:58:58 luke-jr: ping Jul 03 01:54:21 ZogG_laptop: pong Jul 03 01:54:29 man, I have terrible latency Jul 03 01:57:19 =) Jul 03 01:57:52 luke-jr: i see u use power kernel of maemo for gentoo as base right? Jul 03 01:58:10 for now Jul 03 01:58:46 i wonder for n950 should i take harmattan's basic one or should i use gentoo's Jul 03 02:03:20 there is about zero chance of any normal Linux working on it Jul 03 02:03:29 Linux proper has never worked on NITs Jul 03 02:21:27 luke-jr: Jul 03 02:21:32 NITs? Jul 03 02:21:42 Nokia Internet Tablets Jul 03 02:22:18 luke-jr: btw interesting how many of things ou did to n900 would work on n9/50? Jul 03 02:23:30 luke-jr: anyway i'll disturb you a lot when n950 gets to me =) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 03 02:59:57 2012