**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 02:59:58 2012 Jul 06 06:39:11 hi there.i reflashed my n900,but it boots slowly and lost my imei number Jul 06 06:39:35 cant do cellular calling Jul 06 06:46:17 Flash to PR1.3 Jul 06 06:46:39 Likely you flashed an old version, which means that the modem firmware isn't compatible Jul 06 06:46:56 You can't downgrade by flashing without losing your modem, due to the firmware incompatibilities. Jul 06 06:58:34 problem solved Jul 06 06:58:38 thank you Jul 06 08:20:30 my caps came :) Jul 06 08:20:35 need to fix this board tomorrow Jul 06 08:20:54 i'm sure i need to practice.. hve to dig up an old board just to beta test my soldering skills on heh Jul 06 09:01:59 freemangordon: I'm going to separate out the function changes and create new commits (and create upstreams bugs with patches). Something really strange has happened with the rebasing, the same commits have been applied multiple times, that's why I was getting conflicts. Jul 06 09:04:51 zeq: yeah, git somehoe get confused. anyway, the good nes is that flash actually works, for some reason youtibe tries to sebd webm content, once disable (webm) flash kicks in and works Jul 06 09:08:02 freemangordon: ah, ok :) Jul 06 09:08:15 webm should be working too though ;) Jul 06 09:08:23 now, the question is why webm does not work Jul 06 09:08:44 I got video and audio for webm and x264 but it was <1fps Jul 06 09:08:50 much less Jul 06 09:09:10 like a frame every 30s or something! Jul 06 09:09:23 hows the work on fennec Jul 06 09:10:24 freemangordon: Since the video acceleration code works by sending the video direct to the compositor, I'm going to try it with the compositor enabled. Jul 06 09:10:42 hmm, try it, sounds sane Jul 06 09:10:56 build in progress Jul 06 09:11:01 also rebased again Jul 06 09:11:12 shall I pull? Jul 06 09:11:15 hold off pulling from github until I've cleaned it up Jul 06 09:11:20 ok Jul 06 09:11:51 zeq: you mean SPF Jul 06 09:11:54 Seconds per Frame Jul 06 09:11:57 :) Jul 06 09:11:57 Lava_Croft: it's going ok, hopefully romaxa will have the hw accelleration working soo Jul 06 09:12:00 soon Jul 06 09:12:06 Lava_Croft: yup Jul 06 09:12:10 please dont waste too much time on anything related to flash Jul 06 09:12:33 Lava_Croft: why? Jul 06 09:12:42 flash doesnt really add anything to the n900 Jul 06 09:12:47 we have pretty working plugin, why not use it. Jul 06 09:12:54 been using it for over 2 years now, i barely ever used flash Jul 06 09:12:54 Lava_Croft: ORLY? Jul 06 09:13:02 Lava_Croft: as freemangordon mentioned, flash is working. We also want webm and x264 working too, don't worry! :) Jul 06 09:13:07 hah Jul 06 09:13:31 well, i wouldnt want to induce any negativity over your motivation! Jul 06 09:13:31 via html video tag I mean Jul 06 09:13:34 so roar! :) Jul 06 09:13:37 html5* Jul 06 09:13:52 sounds very promising Jul 06 09:13:55 hows the speed as of now? Jul 06 09:14:02 overall fennec speed, that is Jul 06 09:14:11 similar to microb Jul 06 09:14:26 hm Jul 06 09:14:37 zeq: seems webm is broken, NFC why, all I get here is verry choppy sound (beyond recognition) and no video at all Jul 06 09:15:10 freemangordon: it took a while for a video frame to show for me Jul 06 09:15:16 there is something fubar in fennec, as I don;t see much CPU load Jul 06 09:15:36 hopefully it's the compositor being disabled Jul 06 09:15:47 we'll see when my build completes Jul 06 09:16:40 it doesn't explain the sound though... :S Jul 06 09:16:40 zeq: freemangordon: Upload that shit to devel with a paypal link. You will have a nice weekend. Jul 06 09:18:17 freemangordon: webm doesn't have an dsp accelerated codec does it? Jul 06 09:26:13 zeq: itshould have Jul 06 09:26:20 if it is through gstreamer Jul 06 09:26:40 webm is actually a container AIUI Jul 06 09:26:55 freemangordon: I wasn't sure which codecs have dsp accel Jul 06 09:26:56 or it is wp8? Jul 06 09:27:11 zeq: h264, mp4, wmv Jul 06 09:27:32 what format is video stream? Jul 06 09:28:00 webm is a container format, but I'm not sure what codec is usually used Jul 06 09:28:12 it is VP8 Jul 06 09:28:29 just looked on wikipedia Jul 06 09:28:41 hmm, no video accel then, but lemme check, just to be sure Jul 06 09:31:11 what's the DSP chip in the N900 called? Jul 06 09:31:45 depends :). i could be TI DSP, IVA, C6440x Jul 06 09:32:08 zeq: gimme some time to check what is the situation Jul 06 09:33:34 ok Jul 06 09:33:39 oops, it is C64+, not c6440x ;) Jul 06 09:38:12 if vp8 is open source, as it appears to be, we should be able to build an accelerated codec for it if there isn't already one. Jul 06 09:41:43 accelerated as in? Jul 06 09:41:52 vp8 os open source Jul 06 09:41:59 *is Jul 06 09:45:04 accelerated as in using the DSP Jul 06 09:47:38 or even just NEON SIMD Jul 06 09:47:56 zeq: NEON is possible, forget about DSP codec Jul 06 09:49:16 have to check on the status of ffvp8 Jul 06 09:49:27 there is some NEON code over inet Jul 06 09:49:43 "We are working at the moment on supporting VP8 across all our OMAP products and we will contact you directly with a schedule for your products based on OMAP3" -- TI guy in a comment in the blog post announcing VP8 support in OMAP4's video accelerator chip, in 2010; apparently (based on quick googling) nothing really came out of it. Jul 06 09:50:23 fizzie: yeah, saw that Jul 06 09:50:25 :( Jul 06 09:51:40 just been reading blog posts about :( Jul 06 09:58:35 I guess TI want to sell OMAP4s Jul 06 09:59:33 zeq: forget about DSP and TI, trust me on that Jul 06 10:00:01 seems there is vp8 library on webm site Jul 06 10:00:50 with neon-accelerated scaler AIUI, going to pull the code Jul 06 10:05:15 hello guys........ i was wondering if there is any decent alternative to the personal webserver http://thp.io/2012/serverr/ for the N9 Jul 06 10:05:42 basically i m thinking of packaging/porting http://elfinder.org/ Jul 06 10:05:43 saidinesh5: Without you defining why that *isn't* decent, I don't think we can answer Jul 06 10:05:45 for the N9 Jul 06 10:07:07 Jaffa: basically a more functional client than a python -m SimpleHTTPServer Jul 06 10:07:51 saidinesh5: Client? It's a server ;-) Jul 06 10:08:02 saidinesh5: I'm not aware of any others, so packaging your own might be sensible. Jul 06 10:08:14 hehe the server part looks okay.. its just the browser client thats problematic with the first option .. Jul 06 10:08:27 Ah cool.. something to burn my weekend Jul 06 10:23:44 zeq: libvpx builds ok, it is neon accelerated, we just need gstreamer plugin Jul 06 10:26:52 freemangordon: ok, what does gst-plugins-vp8 use? Jul 06 10:27:05 NFC, where is that? Jul 06 10:27:33 what I have here is On2 VP8 decoder Jul 06 10:27:40 in Gentoo portage, looking upstream... Jul 06 10:28:16 it's part of the gst-plugins-bad set Jul 06 10:29:12 yeah, the same on n900 Jul 06 10:29:24 this is the lastest 0.10 version http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins-bad/gst-plugins-bad-0.10.23.tar.xz Jul 06 10:29:49 released 20-feb-2012 Jul 06 10:30:05 zeq: actually if you donload webm file you can play it with mediaplayer, it is ok Jul 06 10:30:12 ok Jul 06 10:30:19 not that then :) Jul 06 10:30:25 try to open webm test file with microb Jul 06 10:32:28 I just get a box with a "X" in it Jul 06 10:33:23 well, try to download it in webm format Jul 06 10:34:39 "Extra Decoders Support" Jul 06 10:35:34 audio is struggling Jul 06 10:35:48 it's not quite managing to decode in real-time Jul 06 10:36:12 I might well be with rebuilding "Extra Decoders" Jul 06 10:36:52 (I tried WebM version of Big Buck Bunny trailer) Jul 06 10:37:13 yeah, but the poin is that video is not 1/30 fps ;) Jul 06 10:37:20 *point Jul 06 10:37:24 it's not what's causing webm not to work in Fennec though Jul 06 10:37:29 yup Jul 06 10:37:49 freemangordon: So your thumb toolchain has neon enabled right? Jul 06 10:37:58 yes Jul 06 10:38:04 vi__: not by default Jul 06 10:38:12 Is it the only toolchain for the N900 with this? Jul 06 10:38:26 vi__: no Jul 06 10:38:36 default toolchain supports neon too Jul 06 10:38:38 neon is supported (in theory) by all the sb toolchains. Jul 06 10:38:43 aaaah. Jul 06 10:39:12 vi__: it is a different instruction set, something like MMX Jul 06 10:39:15 freemangordon: So most of your speed gains in fennec are from thumb? Jul 06 10:39:22 freemangordon: I know. Jul 06 10:39:26 vi__: no Jul 06 10:39:28 :) Jul 06 10:39:29 4.7+ is supposed to also do code generation and autovectorization for NEON too Jul 06 10:39:49 vi__: fennec has some hand-coded neon Jul 06 10:40:12 NEON SIMD intrinsics Jul 06 10:40:41 So why is your version of fennec good and the older versions are bad? Jul 06 10:40:50 (in terms of performance) Jul 06 10:40:57 vi__: it's a combination of factors :) Jul 06 10:41:21 Thumb+ Jul 06 10:41:22 thumb+neon, qt vs gtk, and improvements in mozilla generally Jul 06 10:41:26 neon+ Jul 06 10:41:35 zeq: ok Jul 06 10:41:58 the fennec XUL/gtk port has been bit-rotting it seems Jul 06 10:42:14 What inspired you guys to start work on fennec? Jul 06 10:42:42 It was practically abandoned. Jul 06 10:43:22 vi__: for me, I wanted a browser with modern capabilities Jul 06 10:44:13 I think the Maemo5 fennec port was abandoned because Romaxa moved to Harmattan Jul 06 10:44:18 zeq: I do not know your username. Have you worked on maemo before? You seemed to appear just some weeks ago. Jul 06 10:44:28 and that uses the qt version Jul 06 10:44:53 vi__: I was lurking Jul 06 10:45:00 heh Jul 06 10:46:17 Nokia's abandonment inspired me to help out Jul 06 10:47:18 hmmm. Jul 06 10:47:42 If you are ever in my neck of the woods, I'll get you a beer. Jul 06 10:47:50 :) Jul 06 10:47:58 thanks! Jul 06 10:48:56 zeq: gstreamer vp8 decoder uses libvpx Jul 06 10:49:10 but our version is very old, lemme try the new one Jul 06 10:49:17 freemangordon: is that NEON enabled? Jul 06 10:49:23 ok Jul 06 10:49:31 zeq: nfc Jul 06 10:50:37 vi__: some evidence of past projects can be seen on my github account (gentoo stuff) Jul 06 10:51:28 zeq: it is, but newer hase more optimizations Jul 06 10:51:40 worth having then :) Jul 06 10:52:07 hopefully the newer compiler can eek out a few fps too Jul 06 10:53:05 zeq: changelog says: 18-05-2010 - initial opensource release :D Jul 06 10:53:14 lemme try the newer one Jul 06 10:53:25 are you building gst-plugins-bad? Jul 06 10:53:36 no, libvpx Jul 06 10:54:02 that has the gst plugin in the source? Jul 06 10:56:15 no, that is the real decoder Jul 06 10:57:30 gets called by the gst-plugin? Jul 06 10:57:36 yep ;) Jul 06 10:58:14 "making deb" Jul 06 10:58:21 yep Jul 06 11:04:36 ~gitsmite zeq Jul 06 11:04:41 ~gentoosmite zeq Jul 06 11:04:41 * infobot spends 5 days recompiling zeq, and when it's all done, zeq runs 9% slower than previously Jul 06 11:05:11 I like this one, the percentage changes each time. Jul 06 11:05:24 just like real-life ;) Jul 06 11:05:53 actually, it's not really true. more like 50% faster :P Jul 06 11:07:28 ~gentoosmite aaaaaa Jul 06 11:07:28 * infobot spends 9 weeks recompiling aaaaaa, and when it's all done, aaaaaa runs 6% slower than previously Jul 06 11:17:40 zeq: deb build, lets see if it works Jul 06 11:17:52 good luck! :) Jul 06 11:22:31 freemangordon: did it work? Jul 06 11:24:32 zeq: yes Jul 06 11:24:45 lemme restart to be sure the new lib is picked up Jul 06 11:24:53 but audio stutters again Jul 06 11:25:12 probably isn't using it... Jul 06 11:25:27 maybe the gstreamer plugin is statically linked? Jul 06 11:25:30 zeq: cpu is not loaded Jul 06 11:25:34 hmm Jul 06 11:25:37 it is about 50% Jul 06 11:25:39 ok Jul 06 11:25:45 seems like some sync issue Jul 06 11:26:00 strange Jul 06 11:26:11 yeah Jul 06 11:31:52 zeq: the same after the reboot Jul 06 11:32:10 so it made no difference? or is cpu utilization lower? Jul 06 11:32:18 cpu load is about 60% locked @ 600 Jul 06 11:32:31 do you remember what it was before? Jul 06 11:32:38 no Jul 06 11:33:08 could you check? Jul 06 11:33:51 I can, let me just finish up with the git repo Jul 06 11:34:10 hmm, actually CPU stays around 50% according to top Jul 06 11:35:04 mafw-dbus-wrapper uses 33% Jul 06 11:44:48 colourspace conversion? Jul 06 11:46:37 freemangordon: Where you changed !MOZ_PLATORM_MAEMO == 5 to >5, are you sure that's okay for MEEGO/MER??? Jul 06 11:47:02 (as in !harmattan) Jul 06 11:54:05 just checked in on #mer, they do the same as Harmattan, so I'll assume MAEMO>5 is true... Jul 06 12:33:10 freemangordon: I can't determine whether fennec for mer is built with --with-maemo-version Jul 06 12:43:17 freemangordon: there a lots of cases where existing MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO has braces added. That seems almost like white-space change in the patch, shall I drop those bits? Jul 06 12:53:03 freemangordon: Email yet? Jul 06 12:54:05 How come the N900 does NOT announce the arrival of a new message (SMS) with an alert if you have the conversatsions already open? Jul 06 12:54:12 It is utterly annoying as fuck. Jul 06 12:59:00 indeed Jul 06 13:01:15 DocScrutinizer05: so you know what I am talking about? Jul 06 13:01:18 wtf Jul 06 13:01:24 what kind of solder do they use on these boards? Jul 06 13:01:30 vi__: sure thing Jul 06 13:01:32 my 35W soldering iron doesn't seem to be doing it Jul 06 13:01:39 35W? Jul 06 13:01:40 ?? Jul 06 13:01:53 that's what it says on it... it isn't mine Jul 06 13:01:56 Macer: probably lead-free Jul 06 13:01:58 What are you using? A beer cooler? Jul 06 13:02:32 DocScrutinizer05: :-/ i was testing my desoldering skills on an old modem and taking some capacitors off Jul 06 13:02:43 to see how difficult it would be and it has proven more difficult than i thought Jul 06 13:02:48 Macer: wrapping soldering iron with a cloth or paper towel might help increase temperature to the needed values Jul 06 13:02:51 i figured it would be heat.. melt... pull... done Jul 06 13:03:13 heat.. melt+pull.. done Jul 06 13:03:27 i only had 1 come off clean Jul 06 13:03:34 heat.. melt+pool+pull.. done Jul 06 13:03:37 and it didn't leave clean holes heh Jul 06 13:03:56 Macer: desoldering components usually isn't a simple task, esp when you can't heat up all solder points/pins concurrently Jul 06 13:04:13 yeah... i sure can't heh... i tried .. it's a wider tip Jul 06 13:04:24 Yup, sometimes it is best to chop the component in half. Jul 06 13:04:33 and like i said.. only 1 capacitor came out clean Jul 06 13:04:39 i was so proud.. the other 4 were a pain Jul 06 13:04:43 and that was just the practice board heh Jul 06 13:04:49 i feel lame :-/ Jul 06 13:04:50 commonly used tools: desolder wick, vacuum solder pump Jul 06 13:04:50 freemangordon: I've finished redoing the patches. Shall I push now, or test build it first? Jul 06 13:05:13 DocScrutinizer05: an actual constant pump? Jul 06 13:05:23 i have one of those charge and suck ones Jul 06 13:05:35 which sucks because of the recoil Jul 06 13:05:45 I usually have to heat up each pin of e.g. a capacitor like 8 times, each time bending out capacitor another 0.2mm Jul 06 13:05:59 yeah.. i did that to one Jul 06 13:06:06 but the holes didn't come clean :-/ Jul 06 13:06:09 jumoing pinA->pinB->pinA->pinB... Jul 06 13:06:22 can i just wrap a paperclip around the iron and poke through the holes? Jul 06 13:06:27 last step: blow holes clean Jul 06 13:06:45 Macer: I fixed a graphics card after a couple of components exploded after PSU failure, not sure how I managed to solder those surface mount diodes on...? I don't think I could do it now! Jul 06 13:07:15 Macer: no, but you can heat up the hole from one side and poke in e paperclip from the other Jul 06 13:07:20 zeq: patience i suppose. but it is a lot more difficult than i thought Jul 06 13:07:30 DocScrutinizer05: ah ok... i was considering that as well Jul 06 13:07:55 electronic engineers can probably do this in like 3 mins heh Jul 06 13:08:10 Macer: helps to have the right gear Jul 06 13:08:12 Macer: no, electronics technicians. Jul 06 13:08:20 EE do the design ;) Jul 06 13:08:22 honestly blowing sharply, or simply snipping against the PCB so tin comes out of hole by mere innertia works usually better Jul 06 13:08:27 ah heh Jul 06 13:08:54 zeq: yeah probably Jul 06 13:09:02 use a straw, blow to hole from component side after/while heating from solder side Jul 06 13:09:16 i just have a charge and suck solder sucker and a 35W wide tipped iron Jul 06 13:09:30 even better Jul 06 13:09:43 freemangordon: since I've not heard from you, I'm assuming you're too busy working to pull at once anyway, so I'm going to make sure everything works before pushing. Jul 06 13:09:47 yeah but to do that i'd have to put the board in a vice or something Jul 06 13:09:47 solder sucker works great for that Jul 06 13:10:00 hehe Jul 06 13:10:02 yeah Jul 06 13:10:04 to keep it steady Jul 06 13:10:13 i'm working freehand ;) Jul 06 13:10:33 my buddy can do this with his eyes closed.. i guess it takes a bit of practice Jul 06 13:10:35 I usuall do as well. Sometimes worth a photo or video ;-P Jul 06 13:11:28 well. i will dig up another crap board from my drawers and keep practicing before i try on the actual motherboard i need to fix Jul 06 13:11:38 the solder seems a big harder to melt than most tho Jul 06 13:11:42 bit Jul 06 13:11:53 these guys can't use gold solder? :) Jul 06 13:11:55 heh Jul 06 13:12:16 if you're fast, place the sucker tip next to hole, then heat up the solder, in 0.5s remove soldering iron and place sucker nozzle on hole and fire sucker, that usually works without vice Jul 06 13:12:50 (solder) pb-free RoHS solder Jul 06 13:12:53 a PITA Jul 06 13:12:56 DocScrutinizer05: tried that ;) Jul 06 13:13:09 seems to cool too quickly Jul 06 13:13:20 plus. like i said.. the recoil on this damn sucker Jul 06 13:13:21 yeah, speed is the key here Jul 06 13:13:25 might as well use a shotgun Jul 06 13:13:56 try a paperclip or a pencil Jul 06 13:14:20 and just poke it out? Jul 06 13:14:27 I was fortunate enough to get like 1kg of lead solder when the production guys where binning it at my work. Jul 06 13:14:29 after melting, yes Jul 06 13:14:48 vi__: heh.. buddy of mine gave me some Jul 06 13:14:50 I now only use lead solder. Jul 06 13:14:59 Fuck dem EU haterz. Jul 06 13:15:00 vi__: still no problem to get pb-solder here Jul 06 13:15:00 at least if i do manage to get this to work... i'll have softer solder Jul 06 13:15:08 easier than non-pb-solder Jul 06 13:15:45 w00t. It is now officially the weekend. Jul 06 13:15:54 Imma go and get drunk Jul 06 13:16:05 see you in 72 hours! Jul 06 13:16:06 Macer: adding pb-solder to the joint to desolder changes eutecticum and thus makes desoldering easier Jul 06 13:17:09 so add lead solder to it and desolder it? Jul 06 13:17:10 heh Jul 06 13:17:19 yep, that's the idea Jul 06 13:17:34 add "lots" of pb-solder and remove. do agin Jul 06 13:17:37 again Jul 06 13:17:40 again Jul 06 13:18:05 lol! it would take less time to just try to get the stuff on the board off ;) Jul 06 13:18:08 after 3 or 4 times "rinsing with pb-solder" it should be noticeably easier to desolder Jul 06 13:18:30 i will practice some more soon Jul 06 13:18:44 i haven't tried the board yet... for all i knkow it uses lead solder Jul 06 13:18:53 but i guess they tried hard to not use lead Jul 06 13:18:56 for obvious reasons Jul 06 13:19:06 anyway, a pracice tip: don't forget to add solder even while desoldering Jul 06 13:19:18 i'll try that on the next one ;) Jul 06 13:19:33 i need to dig out another crap board i don't need Jul 06 13:19:49 i was melting the caps on the old modem i dug up Jul 06 13:20:10 desoldering failure Jul 06 13:21:17 nah well.. thanks.. i'm going to sleep.. i'll see how difficult it is to melt the solder on the board itself when i wake up Jul 06 13:21:37 and if it is just as difficult i will just buck down and patiently repair it if i can Jul 06 13:21:42 otherwise ebay a new mboard heh Jul 06 13:24:28 Macer: tip #1: wrap soldering iron with same warming cloth (even alu foil will do, some layers not too tightly wound around) Jul 06 13:24:49 let iron heat up properly before touching the board Jul 06 13:32:13 freemangordon: new master branch is pushed Jul 06 13:43:31 zeq: thanks Jul 06 13:44:56 freemangordon: np Jul 06 13:45:14 zeq: WTF? conflicts again :( Jul 06 13:46:25 that's because I made some changes, probably Jul 06 13:47:03 I removed the dependence on QTMOBILITY for the maemo5 rotation support Jul 06 13:48:53 freemangordon: I'm off out in a minute. I'll be back later. Jul 06 13:50:32 zeq: you've removed noncomposited too Jul 06 13:52:35 zeq: if (mIsTopLevel || mListenForResizes) ??? Jul 06 13:53:58 okay, so I missed a couple of things Jul 06 13:54:02 * zeq is off now Jul 06 13:57:45 zeq: pushed, you may want to pull when you're back Jul 06 14:01:55 will no video play if i (re)move every .conf in /etc/hildon-welcome.d? Jul 06 14:02:00 at boot time, i mean Jul 06 14:02:06 or will stuff break if i don't have at least one there? Jul 06 14:02:35 will be as simple as that Jul 06 14:05:15 or at least that's what I'd expect Jul 06 14:05:26 DocScrutinizer05: ¬.¬ Jul 06 14:05:49 could you please that emoticon to western style? Jul 06 14:05:59 translate that* Jul 06 14:06:41 U+00AC NOT SIGN, U+002E FULL STOP, U+00AC NOT SIGN Jul 06 14:07:10 means "it's not"? Jul 06 14:07:17 or not not? Jul 06 14:08:04 the not sign is like a L mirrored against the \ diagonal Jul 06 14:08:13 so it's shifty eyes, kinda Jul 06 14:08:14 I see that Jul 06 14:08:16 the full stop is a nose Jul 06 14:08:28 I fail to get the meaning Jul 06 14:08:48 since my eyes never look like not-signs Jul 06 14:09:25 meh, nevermind Jul 06 14:09:48 iow I understand the facial mimic expressed by :-) Jul 06 14:09:53 or :-( Jul 06 14:09:57 anyway, let's break the boot Jul 06 14:09:57 or even :-/ Jul 06 14:10:20 but I fail to associate any emotion to ¬.¬ Jul 06 14:10:26 i suppose that it's like -.-, but looking slightly at a side Jul 06 14:11:28 even o.O isn't all strange to me Jul 06 14:12:04 hm, can i just remove hildon-welcome-default-logo? Jul 06 14:12:09 probably not Jul 06 14:12:22 ?? Jul 06 14:13:56 huh, nothing actually depends on it Jul 06 14:13:57 neat Jul 06 14:14:34 DocScrutinizer05: "Factory Default Logo" "The factory default animation to show during bootup." Jul 06 14:15:01 i bet that removing hildon-welcome *will* break shit though Jul 06 14:15:02 aah, the jumping dots ? Jul 06 14:15:16 DocScrutinizer05: no, i think it's the shaking hands Jul 06 14:15:27 not sure, how do you see the installed files of a package? Jul 06 14:17:22 dpkg -L ? Jul 06 14:17:37 does that work with package names, or only .debs? Jul 06 14:18:33 dpkg -L hildon-welcome Jul 06 14:18:53 kerio: you can replace that vid Jul 06 14:19:04 i have it replaced Jul 06 14:19:14 yeah, me too Jul 06 14:19:15 yep, hildon-welcome-default-logo is hands-v32-h264.avi and hildon-welcome.d/default.conf Jul 06 14:19:17 see Jul 06 14:19:20 ~jrtools Jul 06 14:19:21 from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 06 14:19:22 i just don't want a video there Jul 06 14:19:31 DocScrutinizer05: i had dontpanic for a while, but it's kinda bad Jul 06 14:19:31 i have a blank file Jul 06 14:19:48 the font choice is awful, the color choice is horrid, and the video is stuttery Jul 06 14:20:14 XDD Jul 06 14:20:18 not stuttery here, anyway create a better video and share it to me ;-D Jul 06 14:20:38 as this one also been shared to me only Jul 06 14:21:10 DocScrutinizer05: my video is already on your device Jul 06 14:21:17 you can find it at /dev/null Jul 06 14:21:25 haha Jul 06 14:21:38 lol Jul 06 14:21:38 :D Jul 06 14:21:45 anyway, i'm not going to remove the package Jul 06 14:21:58 i'm just going to move the file in the config directory Jul 06 14:22:13 you can change it in config Jul 06 14:22:15 no need to move it Jul 06 14:23:26 kerio: you need to move any files in etc/hildon-welcome.d/ out of that location Jul 06 14:23:29 n900 minor annoyance #74: after shutting it down, you can't immediately turn it back on once the screen is off, because it's still shutting down, even if you have no way to know that Jul 06 14:23:40 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, moved it in a "nope" subdirectory Jul 06 14:23:44 and it works! :D Jul 06 14:23:47 yay! Jul 06 14:23:59 anyone still interested in equalizer ? Jul 06 14:24:00 subdir should probably work, yeah Jul 06 14:24:26 equalizer? tell me more! Jul 06 14:24:35 dhbiker: i'm interested in making sure pulseaudio can't harm my phone anymore Jul 06 14:24:56 i was asking you DocScrutinizer05 like 6 months ago if you still remember Jul 06 14:25:06 not really Jul 06 14:25:17 i have it written... but still needs polishing Jul 06 14:25:23 31 band :> Jul 06 14:25:29 cooooolshit!!!! Jul 06 14:25:45 a gstreamer plugin? Jul 06 14:25:45 why not 32 :C Jul 06 14:25:51 lol Jul 06 14:25:55 i can make 32 too Jul 06 14:25:58 yes Jul 06 14:26:01 gstreamer plugin Jul 06 14:26:07 \o Jul 06 14:26:16 \o/ even Jul 06 14:26:17 was quite annoying to get it to work -.- Jul 06 14:26:27 is there a way to make mafw use the dsp chip for audio too? Jul 06 14:26:36 hmm Jul 06 14:26:43 ill look into that Jul 06 14:27:12 DocScrutinizer05 teaser video soon ! :P Jul 06 14:27:33 i'm not sure it'll spare battery, but at least i'd have the cpu mostly free when listening to music Jul 06 14:27:43 yeah exactly Jul 06 14:27:49 oh, and having it not go through pulseaudio would be a plus Jul 06 14:27:55 ouch Jul 06 14:27:58 it takes about the same amount of cpu of the mp3 decoding Jul 06 14:28:00 that can be a problem Jul 06 14:28:00 :D Jul 06 14:28:15 even something custom would be nice Jul 06 14:28:28 do you use original media player ? Jul 06 14:28:39 take mp3/m4a, put it through the dsp, push it to the bluetooth chip Jul 06 14:28:40 there's still the hw-parametric-eq in ac34 Jul 06 14:28:41 or something Jul 06 14:28:56 dhbiker: not the interface, i use openmediaplayer Jul 06 14:29:04 but it's just another interface to mafw, isn't it Jul 06 14:29:57 kerio: you usually don't want to use DSP for such "simple" tasks ;-D Jul 06 14:30:07 heh Jul 06 14:31:37 I have to admit I got no faintest clue how mafw is playing e.g. flac files Jul 06 14:32:17 isn't it like mafw is only a wrapper around gstreamer? Jul 06 14:32:24 welp, lost a bunch of messages i think Jul 06 14:32:31 can someone pastebin the last minute or so Jul 06 14:32:45 last 3 minutes had no posts basically Jul 06 14:32:46 DocScrutinizer05: i think so, but with moar nokia Jul 06 14:33:11 like, since my last message or so? Jul 06 14:33:15 yep Jul 06 14:33:19 k Jul 06 14:33:42 kerio: you usually don't want to use DSP for such "simple" tasks ;-D Jul 06 14:33:49 DocScrutinizer05: why not? Jul 06 14:34:11 DocScrutinizer05: there's only much cpu, and i can't use the DSP for browserd Jul 06 14:34:19 since DSP afaik isn't really coupled nicely to audio stream Jul 06 14:34:25 hrmpf Jul 06 14:34:31 so it would still suck Jul 06 14:34:31 got it Jul 06 14:34:53 how about changing pulseaudio for dmix? Jul 06 14:34:58 if you route music to alsa... it wouldnt take so much cpu Jul 06 14:35:06 dhbiker: indeed Jul 06 14:35:09 but then again... Jul 06 14:35:09 the McBSP interface to AC34 codec is still under CPU domain aiui Jul 06 14:35:18 you cant have equalizer :P Jul 06 14:35:51 and is seen from system as a ALSA audio card Jul 06 14:36:22 DSP probably can't directly talk to that ALSA card Jul 06 14:36:35 but there *is* an EQ in AC34 Jul 06 14:36:36 shame Jul 06 14:36:50 its worth trying though Jul 06 14:37:10 real dedicated audio dsp Jul 06 14:37:15 hmm Jul 06 14:37:43 how does bluetooth audio work? Jul 06 14:37:54 n900 is like that beagleboard right ? Jul 06 14:37:54 is it still the CPU doing the work, or is there support in the bluetooth chip? Jul 06 14:38:00 it uses the same chipset Jul 06 14:38:03 PA using different ALSA card for BT Jul 06 14:38:39 DocScrutinizer05: yeah but where is audio reencoded before being pushed through the bt radio? Jul 06 14:38:50 the BT alsa card might as well be a generic PA plugin without any ALSa Jul 06 14:39:30 (re-encoded) I guess bluez or PA does that Jul 06 14:39:39 so it's still CPU D: Jul 06 14:39:41 poor cpu Jul 06 14:39:46 i really need to overclock it >:D Jul 06 14:40:17 if i overclock mine its unstable Jul 06 14:40:20 not sure why Jul 06 14:40:27 dhbiker: you don't say? :o Jul 06 14:40:29 because you overclocked the cpu Jul 06 14:40:31 * kerio is sarcastic Jul 06 14:40:33 because that's what OC does Jul 06 14:40:36 ;-P Jul 06 14:40:47 DocScrutinizer05: not really :P Jul 06 14:40:57 dhbiker: not all CPUs are equal Jul 06 14:40:58 indeed Jul 06 14:41:06 thats true :P Jul 06 14:41:13 i fried my N900 with OC Jul 06 14:41:17 dhbiker: some can stand a bit of overclocking, some can't Jul 06 14:41:26 that sucks :( Jul 06 14:41:30 joke :D Jul 06 14:41:34 the upper limit for CPU freq isn't based on CPU failing to work correctly at higher freq Jul 06 14:41:39 I did this to my n900 today http://devel.japh.se/n950/fm/20120706_001.jpg Jul 06 14:41:42 works great! Jul 06 14:41:45 DocScrutinizer05: huh? Jul 06 14:41:58 it's based on lifetime and wear done to CPU at certain freq Jul 06 14:42:05 japh what the hell is that? Jul 06 14:42:22 DocScrutinizer05: yeah i heard that somewhere Jul 06 14:42:26 hahahaha what the hell is that Jul 06 14:42:28 japh you jammed a radio freq? Jul 06 14:42:30 is that an antenna for the fmtx Jul 06 14:42:35 yes Jul 06 14:42:41 looks silly Jul 06 14:42:50 how far it goes? Jul 06 14:42:52 it's an actual antenna, from ericsson 868 Jul 06 14:42:53 on the headphone jack? Jul 06 14:42:54 neat Jul 06 14:43:18 your screen is full of sh** too Jul 06 14:43:21 won't you get better transmission with a pair of headphones? Jul 06 14:45:11 kerio: sometimes headphones suck Jul 06 14:45:40 dhbiker: but they're still longer Jul 06 14:45:47 haha Jul 06 14:45:49 maybe a good audio cable? Jul 06 14:45:50 true xD Jul 06 14:45:56 kerio you could figure out a way to use the FM transmitter with that antenna Jul 06 14:46:02 * kerio has no idea how stuff works Jul 06 14:46:55 AV connector is antenna for FMRX only Jul 06 14:47:09 yup Jul 06 14:47:13 any improvements for FMTX are mere incidental Jul 06 14:47:16 :c Jul 06 14:47:27 isn't fmtx the same as the bluetooth antenna? Jul 06 14:47:32 (and *why*?) Jul 06 14:47:32 nope Jul 06 14:47:49 DocScrutinizer05: oh right, it's fmrx that wants me to turn on the bluetooth Jul 06 14:47:52 why, btw? Jul 06 14:48:05 because it's same *chip* Jul 06 14:48:20 iirc Jul 06 14:49:03 how silly Jul 06 14:49:08 ??? Jul 06 14:49:33 it's cheaper that way Jul 06 14:49:34 you wouldn't expect bluetooth to have anything to do with fm radio Jul 06 14:49:42 what's silly with intergration? Jul 06 14:49:52 oh well... Jul 06 14:49:55 apart from the fact that they both use radio waves Jul 06 14:50:12 they both use audio PCM Jul 06 14:50:14 anyway, does that mean that i can improve my bluetooth reception by plugging in something in the av connector? Jul 06 14:50:18 FMTooth Jul 06 14:50:32 DocScrutinizer05: oooh Jul 06 14:51:14 well, so does the fmtx though Jul 06 14:51:48 err wait Jul 06 14:52:03 now I'm confused which of RX/TX is implemented where Jul 06 14:52:18 DocScrutinizer05: fmrx turns on bluetooth Jul 06 14:52:37 fmtx doesn't Jul 06 14:56:44 hm, does this mean that i can't listen to the radio with my bluetooth headphones? :( Jul 06 14:56:46 i never tried Jul 06 14:59:29 anyway, now that we got into this kind of discussion Jul 06 14:59:43 what's the "best" way of pushing fmtx's limits? Jul 06 15:00:43 actually status of FMRX->BT is unclear Jul 06 15:02:03 (fmtx limits) there's an app for that. The dedicated FMTX chip has a register to set TX power Jul 06 15:02:19 frequency range? Jul 06 15:02:27 yes, you can use v4l2-ctl, but it's kinda annoying Jul 06 15:02:43 with iirc PR1.2 kernel, the kernel driver module somehow tried to lock that register down Jul 06 15:02:57 well, who the hell uses the stock kernel anyway? Jul 06 15:03:05 *cough* Jul 06 15:03:30 i use it now, since i'm going to send it to warranty lol Jul 06 15:03:56 there been packages like fmtxboost or the like Jul 06 15:04:13 RiD: warranty?? are you mad? Jul 06 15:04:15 wasn't fmtx set for full power (120 or so) on the newest kernel? Jul 06 15:04:29 or do you want to get a N8 instead? Jul 06 15:04:40 Nokia portugal is greedy Jul 06 15:04:47 they will NOT want to give you a phone Jul 06 15:04:58 sell N8, buy two used N900 Jul 06 15:05:12 lol Jul 06 15:05:31 DocScrutinizer and the issues aren't N900-specific. It's the right speaker and the earspeaker so Jul 06 15:05:38 afaik they're used in many other Nokia phones Jul 06 15:05:59 well, at least those are actually fixable Jul 06 15:06:08 hm, does fmradio-wide actually work? Jul 06 15:06:09 I even got spare speakers here ;-D Jul 06 15:06:13 hahah Jul 06 15:06:17 you blew a couple of them? Jul 06 15:06:30 nah, just baught a few just in case Jul 06 15:06:55 Oh i see. Well, my warranty ends in august, somewhere between day 20 and 30 Jul 06 15:07:05 @ $1.80 or sth per speaker, I thought "oh why not" Jul 06 15:07:11 and you bought 100 :D Jul 06 15:07:16 just 4 Jul 06 15:07:40 you know, i hate to be in portugal sometimes. I once tried to buy a keyboard from amazon Jul 06 15:07:41 and got one for free, probably fitting for the earpiece speaker Jul 06 15:08:02 It was perfect, good price and all. Jul 06 15:08:17 When i set it to ship to portugal. Jul 06 15:08:26 "Sorry, this item is not available for the shipping address you set" Jul 06 15:08:35 haha Jul 06 15:08:38 Yet spain gets it. :( Jul 06 15:08:58 guy on warranty said that i get N9 instead of N8 Jul 06 15:09:00 :P Jul 06 15:09:06 o_O Jul 06 15:09:07 meh Jul 06 15:09:38 how is the n9 price currently? It was 600~700 here Jul 06 15:09:48 that's enough for a couple n900s Jul 06 15:09:49 400 euros here Jul 06 15:10:12 oh, 549,90€ here Jul 06 15:10:25 ouch Jul 06 15:10:47 if they gave me a n9 and i could sell it for 500€, it would be a full refund + extra Jul 06 15:10:56 http://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B002N2Z0MQ/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new Jul 06 15:11:10 sorry, i'm not german. what gebraucht means? Jul 06 15:11:14 yesterday they had one new for 277EUR Jul 06 15:11:16 used Jul 06 15:11:20 kerio: bit late, but you can get rid of nokia hands by just deleting the avi Jul 06 15:11:20 wait, danish* Jul 06 15:11:36 qwazix_900: obviously Jul 06 15:11:44 but that's a rather nasty way Jul 06 15:12:19 it's like "you can switch off the light by shooting the light bulb" Jul 06 15:12:25 haha Jul 06 15:12:27 lol, an operator on my country had a n900 for sell at 682€ Jul 06 15:12:34 that was 3 months ago Jul 06 15:12:42 o. Jul 06 15:12:45 o.O Jul 06 15:13:02 now they sell an used unit for 359€. They're crazy Jul 06 15:13:07 lol Jul 06 15:13:10 indeed Jul 06 15:13:12 way too pricy Jul 06 15:13:14 if i bought my N900 a week before Jul 06 15:13:17 i would have saved 100€ Jul 06 15:13:18 :( Jul 06 15:13:31 i gave 150 euros for mine :)) Jul 06 15:13:34 it was for sell at 350€ or so. Jul 06 15:13:50 still in warranty till september 2013 :P Jul 06 15:13:59 woah that's kind of a new n900 Jul 06 15:14:05 "new" ones should be no more than 280EUR, used ones no more than 150 Jul 06 15:14:21 "new" as in refurbished japanese units Jul 06 15:14:26 nope Jul 06 15:14:32 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but it's tested and doesn't cause other problems. I would be afraid uninstalling the package Jul 06 15:14:51 as in exposed units unused but without original package Jul 06 15:15:00 anyways, i guess it's time to go and send my sweetie to hell Jul 06 15:15:08 :( Jul 06 15:15:12 should i stay with the cover and the little pen? Jul 06 15:15:20 and battery Jul 06 15:15:40 RiD: they're going to reflash it and do nothing more Jul 06 15:15:48 lol Jul 06 15:15:54 qwazix lol. i reflashed it yesterday Jul 06 15:15:59 you can do this by yourself too Jul 06 15:16:03 I sent it for bupbat and I just got a full reflash Jul 06 15:16:07 Too much personal information to give away to them Jul 06 15:16:26 bupbat still broken Jul 06 15:16:31 qwazix_900: they won't fix bupbat Jul 06 15:16:34 ~bupbat Jul 06 15:16:35 hmm... bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months Jul 06 15:16:46 what is that Jul 06 15:17:04 looks like a small bios battery Jul 06 15:17:09 why didn't they tell me from the beginning then? morons... Jul 06 15:17:09 it is Jul 06 15:17:16 oh , lol Jul 06 15:17:35 it has a bios battery o.O ? Jul 06 15:17:58 it *should* allow swapping main bat without losing date/time Jul 06 15:18:05 yep, that's the one that breaks and the N900 stops remembering time after battery switch Jul 06 15:18:08 *should*, because it isn't working for me Jul 06 15:18:16 for the last year lol Jul 06 15:18:23 mine works :P Jul 06 15:18:27 bupbat defect on 95% devices older 12 months Jul 06 15:18:35 mine came already dead Jul 06 15:18:36 not that i care Jul 06 15:18:42 (on a sidenote now *all* n900 are older 12 months) Jul 06 15:18:44 what are other/50 and other/75? Jul 06 15:19:11 so hold on, qwazix_900 you sent your n900 just for that? Jul 06 15:19:12 kerio: ??? Jul 06 15:19:18 DocScrutinizer05: fmtx-faker modes Jul 06 15:19:26 nfc Jul 06 15:19:52 when you leave your phone batteryless, bupbat probably discharges below the 5% security point and refuses to charge Jul 06 15:20:12 no such point Jul 06 15:20:35 the friggin coins just leak after 12 months Jul 06 15:20:44 I bought a PR1.0 (or 1.1) N900 during 2011 so it was already dead Jul 06 15:21:03 some earlier Jul 06 15:21:09 meh it's just time and date Jul 06 15:21:10 xD Jul 06 15:21:18 exactly Jul 06 15:21:19 sure it's annoying for those who constantly swap batteries Jul 06 15:21:23 RiD: I do a lot of battery-swapping and I hate having to set the dtime/date every day Jul 06 15:21:37 qwazix_900: so fix it yourself Jul 06 15:21:44 qwazix_900 you should connect your n900 to a nuclear plant Jul 06 15:21:49 will do Jul 06 15:21:55 an arbitrary goldcap will do Jul 06 15:21:56 always carry a bit of uranium on it Jul 06 15:21:56 how long does your n900 hold on original battery ? Jul 06 15:22:12 barely a day Jul 06 15:22:15 Original batteries are gettinbg close to uselessness now. Jul 06 15:22:17 depends Jul 06 15:22:18 Replace them. Jul 06 15:22:32 mine holds max 2 days Jul 06 15:22:33 Unless you happen to have kept it in the freezer at 40% charge since new Jul 06 15:22:38 my original batteries are still wuite ok'ish Jul 06 15:22:43 I've changed up to 3 bl5j's during a 7 hour trip Jul 06 15:22:48 lol Jul 06 15:22:57 and on WLAN without GSM/SIM it holds like 5 days Jul 06 15:23:07 mine lost about 10~20% of it's durabilty. Jul 06 15:23:09 Well - close to uselessness = under half uptime, and wierd effects at times. Jul 06 15:23:16 i have it set up on 2G Jul 06 15:23:18 always Jul 06 15:23:19 RiD: soundsa about right Jul 06 15:23:39 well, there are many batteries out there better than the nokia stock ones anyways. and cheaper Jul 06 15:23:40 For example, if you play a movie with half battery life left, it shuts off after 10 min Jul 06 15:23:55 SpeedEvil uranium will fix that issue Jul 06 15:24:00 What? Jul 06 15:24:02 lol Jul 06 15:24:02 and give you cancer Jul 06 15:24:25 and your body battery will stop working 3 months later Jul 06 15:24:46 good to know Jul 06 15:24:47 :P Jul 06 15:24:57 pah, I'm carrying atomic waste with me all day since > 1 year now Jul 06 15:25:07 always a nice glow in the dark Jul 06 15:25:12 DocScrutinizer05: like what ? Jul 06 15:25:20 DocScrutinizer05 i know that feeling. it's harder to sleep Jul 06 15:25:24 glowring Jul 06 15:25:43 oh. Jul 06 15:25:44 i sleep with the help of my n900 charging pattern light Jul 06 15:25:51 lol Jul 06 15:25:52 my doctor recommended it Jul 06 15:26:18 huh ? Jul 06 15:27:04 jacekowski: ever thought of releasing your patch to fmtxd in a package? Jul 06 15:27:33 I'd hope it's already in powerkernel? Jul 06 15:27:43 DocScrutinizer05: huh? Jul 06 15:27:50 it's a modified /usr/sbin/fmtxd Jul 06 15:27:55 err, fmtxd is not exactly kernel domain, yeah Jul 06 15:29:31 kerio: nah Jul 06 15:29:41 jacekowski: do you also use fmtx-faker? Jul 06 15:29:45 no Jul 06 15:30:07 kerio: packages are not supposed to modify system files Jul 06 15:30:20 RiD: dhbiker: http://www.google.de/search?q=glowring Jul 06 15:30:30 so does the UI actually reflect your changes? or do you have to use v4l2-ctl to change frequencies? Jul 06 15:30:36 it does Jul 06 15:30:39 neat Jul 06 15:31:00 ui pulls frequency range from fmtxd Jul 06 15:31:02 kerio: fmtx-faker is AFAIK only for greek N900's where the fmtx came disabled Jul 06 15:31:18 qwazix_900: and asian Jul 06 15:31:31 fortunately me 2nd one is UK for some reason Jul 06 15:31:52 jacekowski: oh, didn't know Jul 06 15:32:32 the other one (exhibition unit) they had there had the fmtx disabled Jul 06 15:32:37 who knows Jul 06 15:32:46 DocScrutinizer05 won't breaking those things be dangerous, as you could inhale the glowing gas? Jul 06 15:33:26 RiD: yeah it's dangerous Jul 06 15:33:44 nice, i want to eat some Jul 06 15:33:50 glowing dumps Jul 06 15:34:41 no it's not Jul 06 15:34:47 RiD: that gas is not glowing Jul 06 15:34:54 :( Jul 06 15:35:00 there is a phosphorous layer that is glowing Jul 06 15:35:10 oh... then its not what i think it is Jul 06 15:35:11 well, i could use that thing to have a 10-year glowing tron suit Jul 06 15:35:12 and that's just bit of tritium with half life of 12 years Jul 06 15:35:20 jacekowski: modified fmtxd++ Jul 06 15:35:29 and, by extension, jacekowski++ Jul 06 15:35:33 better than carrying a fat ass lithion battery on the suit Jul 06 15:35:38 that only lasts 12 minutes Jul 06 15:36:41 lol Jul 06 15:37:50 "The suits worn by the actors proved to be problematic on set. Every single one of them was fitted with a small lithium battery that powered the circuitry for the embedded light strips, but each battery only lasted 12 minutes. " Jul 06 15:38:20 lame Jul 06 15:38:41 and "The wardrobe budget for this film was $13 million. One custom suit alone for the racers cost $60,000. " Jul 06 15:39:45 imagine how many bl5j's you could buy with that kind of money Jul 06 15:40:30 one BL5J costs 10 euro here Jul 06 15:40:36 so a buttload of them Jul 06 15:42:10 it costs 40€here !! Jul 06 15:42:11 you could put 100 on each suit for less than a 60th of that suit's price Jul 06 15:42:24 qwazix_900 but they're made of leather or so. Jul 06 15:42:33 the suit i mean, not the batteries lol Jul 06 15:42:40 I bet they'd last more than 12 minutes Jul 06 15:42:51 40 € ? wow thats expensive Jul 06 15:42:58 welcome to Portugal Jul 06 15:42:58 RiD: human leather? Jul 06 15:43:05 RiD yes Jul 06 15:43:23 that explains it Jul 06 15:43:40 what ? the price ? Jul 06 15:43:46 yes Jul 06 15:44:01 " RiD yes" *fail* Jul 06 15:44:14 :P Jul 06 15:44:18 yeah, how many humans you have to traffick to make one suit... Jul 06 15:44:33 i have to go Jul 06 15:44:41 many Jul 06 15:44:57 lol good quit message Jul 06 16:59:14 jacekowski: well, if fmtx is open source you can just make a package that conflicts with the builtin one and installs your modified fmtxd Jul 06 17:06:16 kerio: will purge meta-pr aiui, which in turn basically uninstalls 95% of maemo ;-P Jul 06 17:06:29 DocScrutinizer05: you suck at apt Jul 06 17:06:43 unless it depends on exact versions of exact packages Jul 06 17:06:47 you bet I do ;-D Jul 06 17:06:48 in which case they suck at apt Jul 06 17:07:03 kerio: it's not open source Jul 06 17:07:05 you bet they do as well XP Jul 06 17:07:13 even then, i'm not sure how Provides: works for packages that depend on exact versions Jul 06 17:07:34 jacekowski: so, the hypothetical redistribution of a modified version... Jul 06 17:07:39 kerio: illegal Jul 06 17:07:42 it's illegal as it is Jul 06 17:07:53 oh golly gee, let's hope nobody does that Jul 06 17:07:57 but well, nobody sent mae c&d yet Jul 06 17:08:09 talking about c&d's Jul 06 17:08:13 hehe Jul 06 17:08:15 i got one myself Jul 06 17:08:19 see? Jul 06 17:08:34 if somebody remember the red bend case Jul 06 17:08:44 when nokia got c&d letter some time ago Jul 06 17:08:46 dawut? Jul 06 17:08:52 chrome Jul 06 17:08:55 and courgette Jul 06 17:09:07 red bend vs google Jul 06 17:09:15 hmmm Jul 06 17:09:19 nokia and other places got C&D's Jul 06 17:09:23 prolly missed that Jul 06 17:09:34 after nokia got C&D they deleted chrome from repository Jul 06 17:09:43 red bend patented chrome? Jul 06 17:09:46 the name? Jul 06 17:09:47 courgette Jul 06 17:09:53 LOL Jul 06 17:10:05 updates mechanism chrome uses Jul 06 17:10:23 they've sent me C&D in january Jul 06 17:10:41 which i've ignored Jul 06 17:10:42 to c and d what exactly? Jul 06 17:10:47 stop distributing it Jul 06 17:10:51 pfff Jul 06 17:11:07 quoting american patent numbers Jul 06 17:11:09 isn't chromium open source? :O Jul 06 17:11:12 it is Jul 06 17:11:25 then what the fuck do they want Jul 06 17:11:32 open source helps exactly nuttin against patents and (C) Jul 06 17:11:32 it can still be patented Jul 06 17:11:51 prior art would, maybe Jul 06 17:11:55 oh, it wasn't a c&d from google Jul 06 17:12:02 nvm, i can't read Jul 06 17:12:03 http://dockets.justia.com/docket/massachusetts/madce/1:2009cv11813/125212/ Jul 06 17:12:07 http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ Jul 06 17:13:23 I'm yet to see Nokia sending anybody a c&d regarding Nokia blobs Jul 06 17:13:45 well nobody sent me anything about fmtxd Jul 06 17:13:59 and besides, those service manuals are confidential Jul 06 17:14:06 after all they did just as much as they needed to not *receive* a c&d themselves Jul 06 17:14:12 yet nobody even tried to remove links from wiki Jul 06 17:14:27 DocScrutinizer05: they did get c&d Jul 06 17:14:41 yeah, for chrome Jul 06 17:15:08 not for distributing stuff like BME, or dialer, or whatever else they got from 2nd source Jul 06 17:15:22 they probably have licence for that Jul 06 17:15:32 not sure about that Jul 06 17:15:56 anyway the IMEI query is a joke Jul 06 17:16:12 not meant to stop any proliferation of the binaries Jul 06 17:16:26 just meant to establish a legal status Jul 06 17:16:36 IMEI query? Jul 06 17:16:39 oh, i see Jul 06 17:17:51 and I never heard of Nokia ever sending a c&d to anybody about semi-public re-distribution of their blobs Jul 06 17:19:03 shipping stuff via extras though might be just a bit over the top Jul 06 17:19:19 or not Jul 06 17:19:23 dunno Jul 06 17:22:05 huh, i didn't know we had a nitdroid-installer Jul 06 17:22:06 neat Jul 06 17:31:17 nitdroid-installer aka "nuke your maemo the silly way" Jul 06 17:31:22 ;-P Jul 06 17:32:24 in my book nitdroid is at least as greedy about posessing whole device and not tolerating any other OS besides itself, as is windows Jul 06 17:33:05 well, ok, nitdroid allows multiboot, but we all know multiboot is EVIL Jul 06 17:33:24 and will nuke maemo if you ever dare to un-install it Jul 06 17:40:21 is nitdroid faster than maemo? Jul 06 17:42:49 sure! segfaults twice as fast Jul 06 17:42:55 ;-P Jul 06 17:43:08 neat! Jul 06 17:43:17 faster on what? on compiling it? Jul 06 17:43:50 on booting the system? to sth without dialer/phone? Jul 06 17:45:51 sth? Jul 06 17:45:59 oh, "something" Jul 06 17:46:08 doesn't the phone part work? Jul 06 17:47:18 dunno Jul 06 17:47:27 I never touched that nitdroid stuff Jul 06 17:47:33 why would you run android on N900 ? Jul 06 17:47:41 if I want android I get me a Samsung Jul 06 17:48:05 dhbiker: idk, maybe it works better as a phone platform Jul 06 17:48:15 not really Jul 06 17:48:21 had android phone before n900 Jul 06 17:48:24 more recent hw, cheaper, and my company built the modemchip most probably Jul 06 17:48:56 http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1475&faq=34 Jul 06 17:49:05 seems like some1 did it before Jul 06 17:49:07 kerio: android working better as a phone than maemo - on a maemo NIT? c'mon stopp kidding yourself Jul 06 17:49:11 10 bands Jul 06 17:49:16 not sure if it works Jul 06 17:49:23 DocScrutinizer05: dude, maemo on a maemo NIT sucks balls at being a phone Jul 06 17:49:39 uhuh Jul 06 17:50:11 nitdroid can't do phone anything on n900 Jul 06 17:50:15 as far as i know Jul 06 17:50:16 * DocScrutinizer05 doesn't have any major complaints about N900 as a phone Jul 06 17:50:29 * dhbiker agrees with DocScrutinizer05 Jul 06 17:50:29 on maemo5 Jul 06 17:51:13 DocScrutinizer05: maybe we're too old school :P Jul 06 17:51:19 maybe Jul 06 17:51:29 bbl Jul 06 17:52:58 jacekowski: that's what I seem to recall as well Jul 06 17:53:56 hell, if anybody managed to write a decent dialer and phone-audio-daemon on nitdroid, I bet it would've get ported to maemo5 in really zero time Jul 06 17:54:15 I have no problems with n900 as a phone either. Jul 06 17:54:32 I however know the trouble we've seen with similar plans on SHR-N900 Jul 06 17:54:39 after all i was wrong about my warranty... it ended up last month, day 26. Jul 06 17:55:18 gaaah fucking fmradio-wide Jul 06 17:55:30 i bet it's the same issue cleven and cssufeatures have Jul 06 17:55:38 it's around 25€ to repair it in nokia care. i guesss i will try to repair it on my own Jul 06 17:55:53 kerio: What's "the cleven issue" ? Jul 06 17:55:58 goddammit, do i really have to remove the password request for sudo? Jul 06 17:56:01 oh no, it's not that Jul 06 17:56:02 phew Jul 06 17:56:17 RiD: happy you, so you don't have to swap it for a N9 just to hop the hoops to sell that N9 on fleaBay to find a new N900 Jul 06 17:56:43 Raimu: it expects "sudo $foo" to work, without ever specifying the $foo it's going to use in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ Jul 06 17:56:55 so if your sudo asks for a password, in general, it doesn't work Jul 06 17:57:07 DocScrutinizer05 lol. I guess it's around 5€ for a speaker and the earphone speaker Jul 06 17:57:15 fix: put the commands it's going to use in /etc/sudoers.d/cleven or something Jul 06 17:57:15 IF the earphone speaker is damaged. it might be some magnetic dust Jul 06 17:57:18 kerio, ah, figures. Jul 06 17:57:33 RiD: eeeeek, nasty Jul 06 17:57:52 DocScrutinizer05 what's so nasty Jul 06 17:58:07 magnetic dust in speakers IS nasty Jul 06 17:58:18 the sound gets terrible :( Jul 06 17:58:21 huh... fmradio-wide started without turning on the bluetooth Jul 06 17:58:27 it's like trying to understand a chinese talking portuguese Jul 06 17:58:35 lol Jul 06 17:58:56 oh no, nvm Jul 06 17:59:13 DocScrutinizer05 you disassembled it so, how easy it is to change the speaker? Jul 06 17:59:21 or should i say how hard? Jul 06 17:59:46 changing spreakers is very "easy". Changing earpiece a bit more involved Jul 06 18:00:23 Ok. But overall, it's not the end of the world, is it? Jul 06 18:00:29 oh man, fmradio-wide is horrible Jul 06 18:00:31 no Jul 06 18:00:56 easy as in "will usually get processes in shop, not at Nokia service center" Jul 06 18:01:33 processed you mean? Jul 06 18:01:36 I'm not sure about earpiece Jul 06 18:01:44 yep, processed Jul 06 18:01:46 how do i update the icons in hildon-desktop? Jul 06 18:02:10 Ok. Jul 06 18:02:14 earpiece *might* be soldered to FPC Jul 06 18:02:31 though I seem to recall it's not Jul 06 18:02:58 o_o Jul 06 18:03:03 i don't like anythign that involves soldering Jul 06 18:03:04 I never disassembled the screen half of N900 Jul 06 18:03:36 ...and qradio asks to install rootsh Jul 06 18:03:39 i don't fucking even Jul 06 18:03:40 WHY Jul 06 18:03:50 YOU CAN INSTALL FILES IN SUDOERS.D Jul 06 18:04:01 YOU DUMB FUCK Jul 06 18:04:08 AND YOU'RE A RADIO Jul 06 18:04:09 but given the very common nature of earpiece breaking I'd expect Nokia hasn't soldered that part - would be a rather insane design Jul 06 18:04:37 kerio: So... you're screaming at radio, bro. Chill. Jul 06 18:04:53 Raimu: i mad D: Jul 06 18:05:17 kerio, try cradio Jul 06 18:05:23 I like it better Jul 06 18:05:28 qwazix_: that's what i'm installing :) Jul 06 18:05:29 DocScrutinizer05 maybe it's an adhesive Jul 06 18:05:39 kerio: though I sympathise with your reasoning, i'd like to ask you to stop shouting Jul 06 18:05:42 It doesn't force you to have earphones plugged in Jul 06 18:05:53 RiD: yep, I think so Jul 06 18:06:15 Signal is really bad without them, but not so bad to require a complete cutoff Jul 06 18:06:31 DocScrutinizer05: but people are wrong! :( Jul 06 18:06:48 CAPITALS won't change that Jul 06 18:06:49 I can listen to 3-4 stations here fine without it Jul 06 18:07:45 DocScrutinizer05: but they make me feel better :) Jul 06 18:07:46 anyway Jul 06 18:07:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hA82LYF64es#t=169s Jul 06 18:07:53 this is scary Jul 06 18:07:54 qwazix_: c fm radio doesn't have rds support :( Jul 06 18:08:13 oh no it does Jul 06 18:08:28 kerio: then damn *fix* the qradio rootsh issue! Jul 06 18:08:40 i'm starting to think that wasting 20€ might be a good idea o_o Jul 06 18:09:26 qwazix_: an actual complaint: there's no way to output the audio to the speakers Jul 06 18:10:14 RiD: well, that's it. And no, that's not exactly scary Jul 06 18:10:30 RiD: which 20EUR btw? Jul 06 18:11:51 DocScrutinizer05 the guy said the repair would be around 20€ Jul 06 18:13:16 RiD: THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hA82LYF64es#t=31s is scrary Jul 06 18:13:22 kerio, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55289 Jul 06 18:14:03 oh so nice . I will have to do that i guess Jul 06 18:15:20 hello, i got nokia n900 Jul 06 18:15:32 and i just broken my micro usb input Jul 06 18:15:44 how can i charge battery Jul 06 18:15:52 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 Jul 06 18:15:52 directly from wires of charger? Jul 06 18:15:54 NavenPL: you're screwed Jul 06 18:16:00 you can fix it Jul 06 18:16:07 ... if you didn't f_ck it hard Jul 06 18:16:13 NavenPL: external battery charger, or fix your n900 Jul 06 18:16:19 or use another phone that uses BL-5Js Jul 06 18:16:36 and it's a known problem, so it's not your fault Jul 06 18:16:42 RiD: here you see one of the speakers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hA82LYF64es#t=83s Jul 06 18:17:02 but cant i charge battery directly from wires? Jul 06 18:17:09 where are + and - pin Jul 06 18:17:36 no, you shouldn't Jul 06 18:17:47 but can i? Jul 06 18:17:47 DocScrutinizer05 it's that square bright thing on the right? Jul 06 18:17:52 unless you want a fireworks at your hands Jul 06 18:17:55 in old nokias this method worked Jul 06 18:17:58 lithium batteries are not to be fucked with Jul 06 18:17:59 RiD: right Jul 06 18:18:38 NavenPL: old nokias used old walwart PSU Jul 06 18:19:23 and those had a proper characteristics to charge battery directly, with less control than is needed when using a USB PSU to try and charge a LiIon Jul 06 18:20:13 even then this method is a terrible nasty botch you might do ince when in a pinch Jul 06 18:20:25 and only if you KNOW what you're doing Jul 06 18:20:43 s/ince/once/ Jul 06 18:21:29 typing on your n900? :) Jul 06 18:21:31 NavenPL: bottom line: NO you MUST NOT charge LiIon from any improvised contraption Jul 06 18:22:04 NavenPL: see Jul 06 18:22:09 ~usb-fix Jul 06 18:22:10 i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Jul 06 18:22:59 qwazix_: i'm not so sure that screwing around with alsamixer is a good idea, considering how stupidly fragile the n900 speakers are Jul 06 18:23:12 meh Jul 06 18:26:37 kerio, Yep, it's easy to fry them if you boost volume >=88 which is the default value, like someone did in that thread. But just turning them on shouldn't be a problem Jul 06 18:27:05 anyway, i just decided that i don't need fmrx :) Jul 06 18:27:55 qwazix_ don't blow a speaker like me Jul 06 18:29:28 qwazix_: the thing is, you force a change in the output device but the UI isn't aware of it Jul 06 18:29:32 RiD, not planning to... but have been using those scripts successfully watching movies with the pico projector. Now I've many months to do that. Jul 06 18:29:32 that's kinda lame Jul 06 18:31:08 It isn't but the max value is still 88. In fact if you turn the sound on to full without the script the sound from the loudspeaker is significantly louder than with the script. That 88 value is probably only for earphones (to protect your eardrums) Jul 06 18:31:23 dhbiker: hmm, nice finding about MAFW-Equalizer Jul 06 18:31:36 wasn't aware of that Jul 06 18:31:56 seems on that page there are version conflicts mentioned in PR1.3 Jul 06 18:32:26 pico projector? Jul 06 18:33:17 RiD, what about it? Jul 06 18:33:22 what is that? :o Jul 06 18:33:41 http://your-digital-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/PicoProjector_kids_room.jpg lol this? Jul 06 18:34:11 http://www.projectorreviews.com/3M/mpro110/index.php Jul 06 18:34:18 that's the one I have Jul 06 18:34:58 now i am interested on those things , damn it Jul 06 18:35:27 RiD, battery operated :) Jul 06 18:36:03 qwazix_: there's a problem with speakers in N900, that's why Nokia fixed MAFW last minute to include XPROT Jul 06 18:36:11 370€, no thanks Jul 06 18:36:44 I wonder if some different speakers would work on it Jul 06 18:36:52 RiD, no, I got it for less than 150eur, and now you can find even cheaper ones Jul 06 18:37:25 DocScrutinizer05, XPROT? Jul 06 18:37:38 qwazix_: XPROT should probably filter out VLF (<50Hz, and DC) and do some limiting on max volume Jul 06 18:38:04 it's part of the gst-pipe MAFW sets up Jul 06 18:38:13 nitdroid doesn't do that so well, thats how my speaker blew Jul 06 18:38:18 aha, and when does that kick in? only when loudspeakers are on? Jul 06 18:38:23 RiD: yep Jul 06 18:38:33 qwazix_: should Jul 06 18:39:07 yeah but on what level (mediaplayer, codec, pulseaudio or alsamixer)? Jul 06 18:39:51 btw somebody crammed 5800 speakers in N900 over @tmo Jul 06 18:40:28 :o Jul 06 18:40:40 o-tone Nokia shop when I asked when T F they gonny send my N900 (well anybody's N900): "you wouldn't want to find your N900 breaking during first 2 weeks, no? So give us some time to fix a probelm with audio we found" Jul 06 18:40:53 5800 speakers are pretty good for a phone Jul 06 18:41:10 qwazix_ how hard was it to do that :O Jul 06 18:41:16 errr WUT? Jul 06 18:42:07 isn't that just a fake? I ordered my N900 speakers at a shop where they were actually advertised as 5800 compatible Jul 06 18:42:21 as they messed up some photos Jul 06 18:42:33 iirc Jul 06 18:42:44 DocScrutinizer05: i will look into sourcecode ... maybe i can polish mine with help of it Jul 06 18:42:59 dhbiker: nice idea Jul 06 18:43:08 5800 speakers are so much better than the N900 ones. No way they are the same. Jul 06 18:43:49 I had a 5800 before the N900. I put the same song on both, 5800 was twice as loud, and at mid-volume, twice as good Jul 06 18:44:09 both tincans ofc @full volume Jul 06 18:44:15 I'd also appreciate very much an automatic selection of "preset" depending on what's active right now - e.g. I don't want same EQ settings for headphones, music playback via speakers, ringtone playback Jul 06 18:44:53 qwazix_: you're aware that speaker != "box" Jul 06 18:45:06 DocScrutinizer05: that's not a problem Jul 06 18:46:13 qwazix_: a speaker sounding brilliant in one box can sound like a tin can in another box/compartment Jul 06 18:46:27 DocScrutinizer05: control panel would be nice ? or not ? Jul 06 18:46:42 it's not just the transducer to determine the sound quality Jul 06 18:47:00 dhbiker: sure a control pannel would be nice Jul 06 18:47:14 ok ... Jul 06 18:47:35 but I'd hope ringtone would use ringtone preset, and mp3player would use music-preset Jul 06 18:47:43 * dhbiker is off... checking the code Jul 06 18:47:52 DocScrutinizer05, true but this photo doesn't look like a fake and why would somebody fake it http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=25841&stc=1&d=1334685710 Jul 06 18:48:18 yep, this is a different transducer Jul 06 18:48:24 "why would someone fake" - cuz they're dickheads Jul 06 18:48:31 obviously Jul 06 18:48:52 but that doesn't mean it sounds in N900 like it does in 5800 Jul 06 18:49:34 au contraire it might sound like shite when you mess with that black plastic thingie too much Jul 06 18:49:44 kerio, I understand somebody to go and fake running crysis on iphone for YT views, but photoshopping the 5800 speaker to make it look bigger is lamer than lame Jul 06 18:50:19 DocScrutinizer05, it doesn't. But it's still a bit better according to the modder Jul 06 18:50:35 are the openpandora speakers any good? Jul 06 18:50:36 just a bigger transducer means nothing if it isn't matching the compartment Jul 06 18:51:07 freemangordon: sorry about leaving a couple of patches out earlier, I was in a hurry to get out. It's my grandmothers 90th today, I was up against the clock. Jul 06 18:51:25 DocScrutinizer05, sry, actually he said louder, not better Jul 06 18:51:32 haha Jul 06 18:51:34 yeah Jul 06 18:51:57 I will easily admit it might be louder on treble Jul 06 18:52:25 http://s15.postimage.org/wo5rfx8fv/151.jpg Jul 06 18:52:34 uh oh, wrong channel again Jul 06 18:52:36 while not exactly fitting into the compartment will short front and back of membrane and cause lots *less* of bass Jul 06 18:53:03 RiD, NFSU? Jul 06 18:53:19 undercover? not even close o_o Jul 06 18:53:33 Porshe Unleashed Jul 06 18:53:38 shit Jul 06 18:53:50 lol. Porsche Unleashed? that's from 2000 :O Jul 06 18:53:53 Porsche Unleashed Jul 06 18:54:10 yep, best NFS ever Jul 06 18:54:13 ;) Jul 06 18:54:24 the image certainly doesn't look like NFSPU Jul 06 18:55:01 http://s15.postimage.org/bd87bnqbf/143.jpg. Grand Theft Auto IV Jul 06 18:56:38 why? http://replicore.ru/uploads/posts/2012-02/1330433100_9de48082cbf8a2692a932c8c5878e7e6.jpg Jul 06 18:56:47 except the crappy detail of the car Jul 06 18:57:56 lol, the graphics aren't even close. Sure, the environment is similar Jul 06 18:59:08 it's not, that it shows their 10 year difference, I'd say 2-3 years tops, or even the same game with all settings on/off Jul 06 18:59:26 (ofc excluding the model of the car) Jul 06 19:00:09 freemangordon: huh? what happened with the merge? https://github.com/sjnewbury/fennec-qt-maemo5/commit/3c2181c7d6be5889cfe1a0fcb9cb4eab1481cb69 Jul 06 19:00:20 370 changed files with 7,131 additions and 5,310 deletions. Jul 06 19:01:04 all the old commits got re-introduced! Jul 06 19:15:20 freemangordon: I've locally restored the missing commits in a clean tree. Where you merged and pushed all the old commits got inserted back into the history. I'll re-push a clean master with all the commits this time, if you could then rebase on that, it should give us both a clean base with any pushed changes you might have. Jul 06 19:24:37 btw just in case anybody recalls the 40s-delay issue we discussed lately: it's gone on my laptop since I changed to a x64 system. Seems the 32bit OS has real trouble with my 8GB RAM Jul 06 19:30:14 DocScrutinizer05: why the hell do you have 32bit OS on 8 gigs of ram ? Jul 06 19:30:40 because I'm a moron Jul 06 19:30:44 xD Jul 06 19:31:18 in the old days 64bit was MEH, because of instabilities with drivers and whatnot Jul 06 19:31:35 not anymore Jul 06 19:31:41 DocScrutinizer05: that's not really surprising! Jul 06 19:31:44 I crossed the 3GB barrier without taking notice Jul 06 19:31:57 8G is a lot for 32bit Jul 06 19:32:03 yeah Jul 06 19:32:19 it can use 3.5 gigs or something like that Jul 06 19:32:42 so let's just say "you WANT to use x64 if you got more than 3GB of RAM" Jul 06 19:32:54 indeed Jul 06 19:33:04 4 gigs works normally Jul 06 19:33:19 yeah, but one of those gets lost for mapping Jul 06 19:33:26 iirc Jul 06 19:33:27 yup Jul 06 19:34:13 for the beginning i can fix that plugin to work on PR1.3 Jul 06 19:34:17 funny enough *nothing* complained on that 32bit-linux Jul 06 19:34:17 and then upgrades Jul 06 19:34:47 it even reported 8GB RAM just fine Jul 06 19:34:52 lol Jul 06 19:34:54 o.O Jul 06 19:34:56 dhbiker: yeah, please do! Jul 06 19:34:59 anybody knows how can I force hildon-desktop to build with gles and not vanilla opengl? tried --with-flavour and --with-gles but configure doesn't recognise those flags Jul 06 19:35:32 also seems those nasty artifacts in X/plasma are gone Jul 06 19:37:46 iirc a tone point the threshold was at 2G Jul 06 19:37:50 at one* Jul 06 19:38:00 Because of the way memory is split between kernel and userspace Jul 06 19:41:24 anyway now that T500 is really awesome Jul 06 19:42:35 esp since some nice guy in here pointed me at that bios hack to swap that silly Fn|Ctrl keybd layout Jul 06 21:31:15 _freemangordon: ping Jul 06 22:14:17 where can i install chromium? and is it worth it? Jul 06 22:24:34 I vaguely recall ther was an install f chromium, but it got pulled for lawyer-based reasons. Jul 06 22:26:14 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium Jul 06 22:26:25 Never tried it though Jul 06 22:27:03 I used only Estel_ 's easy debian image with chromium, but I wasn't pleased with the performance Jul 06 22:27:31 Wanted to try on a dedicated partition but never got to it ;) Jul 06 22:28:03 back to melting solder Jul 06 22:28:03 blah Jul 06 22:43:33 have fun! Jul 06 22:44:14 kerio: just wait for zeq&FMG fennec port. Jul 06 22:44:22 it will melt your balls. Jul 06 22:45:21 Can't wait ^^ Jul 06 22:48:37 * DocScrutinizer05 eats that 4.3GB .xsession-errors, and burps Jul 06 22:49:23 DocScrutinizer05: lol wut? Jul 06 22:49:41 you know why you got a separate /home partition when df -h /home shows ZERO bytes free Jul 06 22:50:41 DocScrutinizer05: I have a seperate /home because I have a habit of osing everything by messing with dumb stuff. Jul 06 22:51:02 ^hosing Jul 06 22:52:15 Now, who wants to try my latest attempt at configuring the n900 vm? Jul 06 22:52:29 hmmm Jul 06 22:53:08 I'm not sure I need more storage related excitement/susoense today Jul 06 22:53:21 suspense* Jul 06 22:54:55 DocScrutinizer05: its not for you doc. Jul 06 22:55:10 it 15 2 1337 4u Jul 06 22:55:29 oh yeah.... Jul 06 22:55:30 indeed Jul 06 22:55:34 these caps are getting easier and easier Jul 06 22:55:40 once i got practice on a few of them heh Jul 06 22:55:43 caps Jul 06 22:56:08 yeah.. have 4/18 off.. but the 1st one took 20mins to get a feel for.. 2nd took 5.. now they're coming out 3mins per :) Jul 06 22:56:29 usual Jul 06 22:56:44 even after 40 years of doing it Jul 06 22:57:22 yeah well.. this isn't really my thing.. but the getting them out seems like the difficult part Jul 06 22:57:30 now i am pulling them out with clear holes ;) Jul 06 23:09:59 hope you don't pull out the vias with them caps Jul 06 23:12:18 you're absolutely right about the difficult part though - soldering the new parts it mere fun after it Jul 06 23:13:08 which I honestly hope you do immediately after removing old cap, as otherwise odds might be you forget the right side for plus Jul 06 23:13:59 and hell THAT would be a pity to solder one of the new good caps on the board the wrong way round Jul 06 23:15:08 Preheat. Jul 06 23:15:13 Almost always a good idea Jul 06 23:15:22 yeah, a bit Jul 06 23:15:55 though I always found a proper really hot iron serves all purpose here Jul 06 23:17:57 * DocScrutinizer05 still shudders thinking about a 4.3GB errorlog file Jul 06 23:17:57 Lead-free can make preheat almost mandatory Jul 06 23:18:19 why is that? Jul 06 23:19:04 higher temps Jul 06 23:19:21 hmm, turn up your soldering iron temp Jul 06 23:19:40 still not hot enough? turn it still higher Jul 06 23:20:31 multiple ground planes. Jul 06 23:21:32 higher! higher! Jul 06 23:22:17 Doc: doing termorectal cryptoanalysis? Jul 06 23:25:42 since copper, unlike tin and lead, is a really good thermal conductor, and wires of components are usually massive copper and length of solder joint not much longer than diameter of wires, it's usually possible to heat the copper wire of component so much that solder melts on surface of wire before the heat reaches the ground planes Jul 06 23:27:22 might not work on good massive vias ~ the diameter of the wire of components, connected to multiple massive ground planes Jul 06 23:27:43 then you actually might need some preheating Jul 06 23:29:01 though... aq proper PCB layout is using termal insulation of vias from ground planes Jul 06 23:29:07 for that very reason Jul 06 23:34:57 you frequently see those X-shaped "bridges" from small pad with via to the groundplane land around it Jul 06 23:36:27 on all stuff that's not built by reflow Jul 07 00:11:12 ~xchat Jul 07 00:11:13 from memory, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ Jul 07 00:11:33 what was the custom xchat config? Jul 07 00:12:44 DocScrutinizer05, hello x-p Jul 07 00:27:00 ~jrxchat Jul 07 00:27:00 extra, extra, read all about it, jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Jul 07 00:27:21 that's it! thank you Jul 07 00:53:15 DocScrutinizer05 everything went nice. Your keybindings seem corrupted though Jul 07 01:02:29 ummm Jul 07 01:04:21 On a random note. Jul 07 01:04:33 DocScrutinizer05 could you send me your keybinds file? :S Jul 07 01:04:40 The nokia wired headset survives a 40C wash cycle. Jul 07 01:04:55 nice. Jul 07 01:04:58 o.O Jul 07 01:05:01 now try the phone Jul 07 01:05:13 RiD: I think not :) Jul 07 01:06:16 it smells good, doesn't it? Jul 07 01:11:45 RiD: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/keybindings.conf Jul 07 01:22:27 RiD: what's been corrupted? Jul 07 01:22:45 the keybinds file lol Jul 07 01:22:50 RiD: seems there are some non-printing chars in first version of that page Jul 07 01:23:08 2nd one didnt work either :o Jul 07 01:23:28 what means "didn't work"? Jul 07 01:24:18 i paste it in the file and then save it. when i start xchat it says the keybind file is corrupt and doesnt load it Jul 07 01:24:29 hmmmm Jul 07 01:24:49 nfc how to proceed Jul 07 01:24:57 ? Jul 07 01:26:27 i'm going to sleep. Will take a look at that tomorrow Jul 07 01:40:25 hmm, hope that helps now.. Jul 07 01:40:47 ctrl-k -> ctrl-c though is obscure to me Jul 07 01:41:34 not that I ever used ctrl-o or ctrl-b Jul 07 01:43:12 I wonder if I want to test what those 3 ctrl-chars do to xchat Jul 07 01:51:49 Is there a way to send text messages while connected to my n900 by usb and online via wvdial? I can ssh into the n900.... Jul 07 02:06:06 well, then phonecontrol has the python script for you Jul 07 02:07:09 thanks DocScrutinizer05 -- that's just the pointer I needed :) Jul 07 02:07:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS Jul 07 02:08:16 saves me goggling :D Jul 07 02:08:32 googleing .. even..... Jul 07 02:09:22 use third script, it seems the most clean one Jul 07 02:09:50 2nd one will most likely not even store the sent SMS to conversations Jul 07 02:09:57 ok :) Jul 07 02:10:32 iirc first one needs some libs that aren't installed by default Jul 07 02:10:33 I'll come back when I have it installed and tested a few times ;) Jul 07 02:12:18 bus = dbus.SystemBus() #should connect to system bus instead of session because the former is where the incoming signals come from Jul 07 02:12:49 is a bit strange a comment - why doesn't it use sessionbus then instead of systembus? Jul 07 02:23:51 lemme check what I made of it... Jul 07 02:28:12 oops, it actually _does_ connect to systembus, so what's that comment all about? Jul 07 02:29:06 and my smscb.py stuff does all the same Jul 07 02:39:53 Hi, any other replacement for recaller? Jul 07 02:40:16 the quality of rec by recall is very poor Jul 07 02:41:30 DocScrutinizer05: thanks for exploring it a bit for me :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 07 02:59:58 2012