**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 08 02:59:58 2012 Jul 08 06:51:04 DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85327 Jul 08 08:53:57 ~seen jonwil Jul 08 08:54:00 jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 17h 59m 58s ago, saying: 'hopefully the phone shop calls me soon to say that the N900 parts I am waiting for have arrived'. Jul 08 08:54:13 :S Jul 08 09:12:46 so... What exactly do you do to debug, when gdb cores on loading your core? Jul 08 09:12:57 I'm sure there's a "sup dawg" meme here somewhere. Jul 08 09:13:19 teotwaki: attach to the process that dumped and load the coredump Jul 08 09:13:53 that way you have the correct bt Jul 08 09:14:36 so you know where to put your breakpoinnts next time Jul 08 09:14:57 teotwaki: ^^^ Jul 08 09:15:21 freemangordon: eh? Jul 08 09:15:29 How do I attach to a process that has segfaulted? Jul 08 09:15:42 start it again ;) Jul 08 09:16:10 once started, attach and load the coredump Jul 08 09:19:11 freemangordon: nice try, but no cigar. Jul 08 09:19:13 (gdb) bt Jul 08 09:19:14 #0 0x00007f077510d0f0 in vtable for log4cxx::Logger () Jul 08 09:19:14 from /usr/lib/liblog4cxx.so.10 Jul 08 09:19:14 A problem internal to GDB has been detected, Jul 08 09:19:16 further debugging may prove unreliable. Jul 08 09:19:18 Quit this debugging session? (y or n) Jul 08 09:19:33 /build/buildd/gdb-7.4-2012.04/gdb/dwarf2read.c:6860: internal-error: dwarf2_record_block_ranges: Assertion `dwarf2_per_objfile->ranges.readin' failed. Jul 08 09:20:08 teotwaki: well, if yo uhit some gdb error, try again Jul 08 09:20:23 I've been trying all morning. Jul 08 09:20:35 to attach to a running process with gdb? Jul 08 09:20:44 aye Jul 08 09:21:04 well, ignore that and try "core coredump" Jul 08 09:21:30 which process is that Jul 08 09:22:21 and what machine? Jul 08 09:22:37 my own process Jul 08 09:22:40 my own machine Jul 08 09:22:48 64bit? Jul 08 09:22:50 aye Jul 08 09:23:23 hmm, try to run it from within gdb then, instead of attaching Jul 08 09:23:32 doesn't work either Jul 08 09:23:40 it craps out as soon as I hit "r" Jul 08 09:23:43 upgrade your gdb :P Jul 08 09:23:48 might do Jul 08 09:25:01 well, I'm running the latest, pretty much... Jul 08 09:28:08 might try compiling with g++ instead Jul 08 09:29:06 blargh, no c++11 support in g++ Jul 08 09:40:11 DocScrutinizer05: So, this "alarmed" maemo package -- should I expect it to work right away with installation, or is there something else that needs to be installed with it? I tested it with running a simple script, and it did not seem to fire. Jul 08 09:40:55 It did fire on triggering an alarm, so the alarmd itself is working ... do I need to do anything in particular for scripts? I've put absolute pathnames and all that ... Jul 08 09:48:46 ~ugt Jul 08 09:48:47 well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jul 08 09:49:25 what's alarmed? Jul 08 09:50:53 it's a program that you can use to schedule stuff, such as for running scripts Jul 08 09:51:15 it has worked for me I think but there's some peculiarities with its UI Jul 08 09:55:31 kwtm your script is set +x? Jul 08 09:55:58 joga: Yes, including +x for user, group, and others alike. Jul 08 09:56:43 oh, now I see one peculiarity: if you select an event and press remove, it doesn't disappear until you close alarmed and start it again Jul 08 09:57:17 I Jul 08 09:57:25 but anyway, I just tried making a simple script that will present a prompt "hi", placed it in /home/user/bin/testscript, set it to +x and scheduled it a couple of mins to future, worked fine Jul 08 09:57:31 with absolute path also Jul 08 09:57:47 kerio: I'm trying to get a script to run every so often. Once I can do that, I can make that script call other scripts that check sms, etc. Jul 08 09:58:14 I'm trying to stick to non-compiled languages like bash or python. Jul 08 09:58:16 i see Jul 08 09:58:18 what's wrong with cron? Jul 08 09:58:20 I've used it before to ring a wakeup call to my gf (and put the speaker on) when she was abroad and I would have been sleeping at that time otherwise heh Jul 08 09:58:27 alarmed is easier to use Jul 08 09:58:31 hm, it appears that there is no cron Jul 08 09:58:33 what the FUCK Jul 08 09:58:44 cron apparently does not work well on N900. Jul 08 09:58:57 of course not, it probably expects to be on a unix system Jul 08 09:58:59 ¬.¬ Jul 08 09:59:01 I have been told not even to try it. In any case, I was hoping alarmed could replace it. Jul 08 09:59:03 fucking nokia Jul 08 09:59:10 stop whining Jul 08 09:59:59 hm, is there something to do to run ntpd at boot? Jul 08 10:00:01 it's not running, here Jul 08 10:00:27 create a bootscript. Jul 08 10:00:28 Well, he does need to get it out of the system. I went through the "fuck Nokia" x 100 stage and finally accepted that Nokia made the N900 a piece of crap. Although, as I have said, the BEST piece of crap in the world. Jul 08 10:01:31 NIN101: yeah but why isn't it there by default? Jul 08 10:01:34 try any other mobile and then get back here Jul 08 10:01:40 did I design maemo? Jul 08 10:01:48 I don't know. Jul 08 10:01:49 s/maemo/openntpd/ Jul 08 10:02:10 Lava_Croft: the fact that any other "smart"phone is absolute crap compared to the n900 doesn't remove my right to complain about the n900 Jul 08 10:02:31 i never questioned your rights, emo Jul 08 10:02:40 but see things in perspective Jul 08 10:03:30 meh, rdate is better anyway Jul 08 10:04:56 kwtm: a "script" has to be executable Jul 08 10:05:10 DocScrutinizer05: Covered that. What else? Jul 08 10:05:23 chmod +x, /1/ #!/bin/sh Jul 08 10:05:31 I also checked: world-readable, no relative pathnames, no reliance on environment variables. Jul 08 10:05:47 right, first line shebang. Jul 08 10:05:50 where is your script? Jul 08 10:05:54 (MyDocs?) Jul 08 10:05:55 full pathname might help too Jul 08 10:06:10 right, ands not on MyDocs Jul 08 10:06:23 ye it has noexec Jul 08 10:06:33 I have it under /home/user/sh which is on the home system ... I think. Jul 08 10:06:45 and basically no permission bits Jul 08 10:06:46 Oh, MyDocs has noexec? Ok, will just make sure ~/sh is not a symlink to there ... Jul 08 10:07:42 Nope, verified that it's not on the FAT filesystem ... Jul 08 10:08:07 Is there a "crontab"-like file that I can look at? Like "alarmtab" or something? Jul 08 10:08:15 nope Jul 08 10:08:24 not really Jul 08 10:09:13 alarmed seems to have its config in ~/.config/alarmed/ Jul 08 10:09:27 The only thing I can think of is that I set this event via alarmed (the GUI) and THEN made corrections to the script (eg. world-executable, etc.) so maybe the first iteration alarmd found that it didn't work and didn't bother triggering the event again, not realizing that I had made some changes? Jul 08 10:09:29 yeah but it's cryptic Jul 08 10:09:31 joga: Useful info. Thx. Jul 08 10:10:27 alarmed has a command to list all events though Jul 08 10:11:05 ooh, and my alarmed has a symlink from user/bin to that opt abomination Jul 08 10:11:15 for shell Jul 08 10:12:18 bash-3.2$ ls -l `which alarmed` Jul 08 10:12:19 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jun 20 2011 /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py Jul 08 10:13:07 alarmed -C -L Jul 08 10:13:30 funny, I see it too, but typing "alarm"[Tab] on the command line doesn't seem to bring it up ... it's not in the $PATH? WIl try Jul 08 10:14:40 I created that link after installing alarmed, as it sucked Jul 08 10:14:43 without Jul 08 10:14:50 hrmpf, rdate doesn't want to work :C Jul 08 10:15:40 shapeshifter refused to add that symlink to alarmed pkg, and we had rather an argument about it ;-P Jul 08 10:15:50 DocScrutinizer05: rdate doesn't work :C Jul 08 10:15:58 wtf rdate? Jul 08 10:16:22 bash-3.2$ man rdate Jul 08 10:16:24 No manual entry for rdate Jul 08 10:17:49 I wonder why he didn't like that symlink? Sounds useful; I'll probably add it. Also, nice python source which should let me script some useful scripts, but first I want to see that it works. Hmm... Jul 08 10:18:36 meh, i'll just use ntpd -d Jul 08 10:18:41 stupid lack of ntpdate Jul 08 10:19:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65315 Jul 08 10:22:13 kerio: yeah, THAT pisses me since several years, as ntpd is NO comprehensive substitute for ntpdate Jul 08 10:22:47 how often is NITZ data sent by the operators? Jul 08 10:23:05 ntpdate allows to only *display* the rempte stratum date, while ntpd doesn't allow to do that Jul 08 10:23:42 network time? undefined, some do every second, others never, or use weird format Jul 08 10:24:30 is there a way to take the time from the gps? Jul 08 10:24:37 No. Jul 08 10:24:42 Well - not officially Jul 08 10:24:58 isn't there a way to read the date from the satellites? Jul 08 10:25:04 There are a couple of aps that will that I've forgotten the name of Jul 08 10:25:12 and yes - GPS has time Jul 08 10:28:06 but then, for GPS to get a fix you damn better have correct time in advance Jul 08 10:28:25 kerio: i use gpsrecorder.. and it updates the clock via GPS Jul 08 10:28:33 as otherwise AGPS will spoil your game massively Jul 08 10:28:45 DocScrutinizer05: hehe Jul 08 10:28:46 good point Jul 08 10:28:58 how slow is gps without any assist? Jul 08 10:29:04 depends Jul 08 10:29:09 kerio: Takes about 4 minutes in my situation Jul 08 10:29:11 mine takes about 2 minutes Jul 08 10:29:24 dhbiker: without *any* assist? Jul 08 10:29:31 yes. Jul 08 10:29:33 does gps even work without an inserted sim? Jul 08 10:29:38 could be almost as fast as with, but only in optimal situation with intelligent chip. I dunno how intelligent the N900 GPS is Jul 08 10:29:49 it depends Jul 08 10:30:04 Yes, I have a N900 with no sim Jul 08 10:30:08 i found out that if you're closer to last position it gets the fix quicker Jul 08 10:30:12 no clue why Jul 08 10:30:29 sure, that's still AGPS Jul 08 10:30:47 DocScrutinizer05: not possible... no sim in it Jul 08 10:31:02 it's using last fix lon/lat and current time to do "onboard AGPS" Jul 08 10:31:10 oh.. Jul 08 10:31:11 xD Jul 08 10:31:31 i.e. it stores ephem/alm of last fix Jul 08 10:31:41 yeah Jul 08 10:31:41 and reuses them Jul 08 10:32:20 if those are out of date, either due to age or to massive location change, you're pretty much fecked Jul 08 10:32:29 yeah Jul 08 10:32:39 then it takes a loong time Jul 08 10:33:06 yeah but does it work eventually? Jul 08 10:33:12 it does Jul 08 10:33:23 why wouldn't it work ? Jul 08 10:33:44 idk Jul 08 10:34:26 there was something about not having a sim Jul 08 10:35:16 yeah, using AGPS and feeding chip with massively incorrect alm/ephem/time will cause the chip's logic to lock up it seems Jul 08 10:35:24 hm, the n900 is here on my bed Jul 08 10:35:37 and apparently it's moving at 5.12 +- 24.77 km/h Jul 08 10:35:44 lol Jul 08 10:35:44 :D Jul 08 10:35:51 i mean, i guess it's treu Jul 08 10:35:52 true Jul 08 10:35:55 but still... Jul 08 10:36:13 I remember when I got the n810 Jul 08 10:36:18 indoor GPS without A is useless Jul 08 10:36:19 (i'm indoors, and this house is kinda like a bunker) Jul 08 10:36:25 DocScrutinizer05: no, i have A Jul 08 10:36:30 i got a fix pretty quickly Jul 08 10:36:34 but the quality is kinda horrible Jul 08 10:36:50 my teacher and I were amazed at how impossibly poor the GPS was... Outside, sat on a table, the n810 was showing us moving all over the school grounds Jul 08 10:36:55 make sure your onboard time is set correctly Jul 08 10:37:15 with A and wrong time you confuse the hell outa poor GPS chip Jul 08 10:37:40 hm, which maps does cloudgps use? Jul 08 10:37:46 and WOAH HOW IS IT SO SMOOTH Jul 08 10:37:49 pff youngsters Jul 08 10:38:15 *my* teachers couldn't tell wtf is GPS - didn't exist when I had any teachers ;-P Jul 08 10:38:24 xD Jul 08 10:38:49 hi cras... teotwaki Jul 08 10:41:05 kerio: when that's a true GPs fix and not a artificial faked one (you could check with location test app or whatever the name), you are bound to give it another few minutes without moving device to get a _good_ stable fix Jul 08 10:42:21 a very widespred idiosyncrasy of GPS chips to deliver poor & jumping fix under suboptimal conditions during first few minutes Jul 08 10:42:37 (probably until almanac got downloaded) Jul 08 10:43:53 ok, some progress: alarmed is able to execute the command /bin/sh -c 'touch /home/user/MyDocs/alarmtest' so I will just need to make stepwise changes to that command line to see why it won't run my script. Jul 08 10:44:37 iirc each sat/IV sends its _own_ current ephem data every few seconds, so after ~30s max a good chip (with many correlators) should get a fix under good conditions aka strong signal Jul 08 10:45:32 kwtm: good! scientific approach, I like that ;-) Jul 08 10:46:31 kerio: you find cloudgps smooth? I am interested in finding a good GPS program ... Mappero ate up all the CPU and I avoided GPS+maps after that. Is cloud GPS a mapper or just a GPS data display? Jul 08 10:46:44 WTF cloudgps? Jul 08 10:47:10 I'm using marble and occasionally mappero Jul 08 10:47:49 and... dang... Jul 08 10:48:37 liblocation app? Jul 08 10:49:10 location test app Jul 08 10:49:22 a must-have Jul 08 10:49:54 the only decent tool to check what's up with GPS/location Jul 08 10:50:34 in "the old times" without running location test concurrently, several mapping apps never got a fix Jul 08 10:50:49 incl nokia maps Jul 08 10:51:05 which had the funny idea to power down GPS after 60s Jul 08 10:51:16 no matter if a fix been achieved or not Jul 08 10:51:57 location test app kept GPS active, so it eventially accuired a fix Jul 08 10:52:02 awww.... fuh'crying out loud! Ok, fixed my script. Stupid typo. Jul 08 10:52:13 hehehe Jul 08 10:52:24 I was trying to write to a directory called /user/home/MyDocs and wondering why it didn't work. Jul 08 10:52:30 * kwtm will now go bang head against wall. Jul 08 10:52:38 NOO Jul 08 10:52:44 teh poor wall! Jul 08 10:54:17 kwtm I just installed cloudgps a couple of days ago and was very impressed, it's actually very smooth, but it seems trying to use the search crashes it Jul 08 10:54:33 kwtm: keep in mind that MyDocs isn't guaranteed to be available Jul 08 10:54:45 it still beats maep, my previous favorite for "where the heck am I" utility, by far Jul 08 10:55:49 and cloudgps is a tilemap program, but it shows terse satellite data at the top too Jul 08 10:57:05 DocScrutinizer05: It's okay, MyDocs was just a universally writeable place to test my script. I plan to have a master script executed every minute, and it can call other scripts as necessary. Jul 08 10:57:28 hmmm Jul 08 10:57:36 weird concept, but ok Jul 08 10:57:43 joga: Ok, so cloudgps without searching. Got it, will try. Wife is using iPhone 4S and trying to impress me on how she can use the GPS ... Jul 08 10:57:51 I currently use alarmed to kill hildon-home twice a week to avoid it getting sluggish ;p Jul 08 10:57:53 if you like that "cpu & battery hog" design ;-) Jul 08 10:58:30 joga: nice idea Jul 08 10:58:48 kwtm for more features I haven't found a better one than Modrana, that also handles navigation and voice guidance (though it uses espeak or so so it doesn't sound very good) Jul 08 10:58:51 joga: you might want to killall browserd as well ;-) Jul 08 10:59:13 DocScrutinizer05 wouldn't that close the browser windows should I have any open? ;) Jul 08 10:59:21 prolly yes Jul 08 10:59:44 wouldn't really be a problem though, currently I run the kill on monday & thursday at 3:00am Jul 08 10:59:48 heh Jul 08 11:00:20 DocScrutinizer05: Well, it doesn't call each of the other scripts every minute. But that way I feel I have better control over the execution of scripts, as I haven't learned to trust alarmd yet. I was actually hoping for a stable version of dbus-scripts (my first order of priority is to make a sms-notify that works), but apparently it's under extras-devel so I want to look for alternatives. Jul 08 11:01:24 dbus-scripts not stable? Jul 08 11:01:32 I'm quite happy with it Jul 08 11:02:44 except I think it's missing a compare for one of the dbus addr components Jul 08 11:03:07 DocScrutinizer05: that's good to hear. I'll probably eventually switch over to dbus-scripts, but presumably there's a reason why it's not under extras-testing, for example. Jul 08 11:03:47 yeah, the author didn't bother to promote the pkg, a common problem we discussed a lot recently Jul 08 11:04:01 joga, kerio: What part of the planet are you on? And do you think cloudgps performance will vary in other continents? (not counting Antarctica) Jul 08 11:04:57 kwtm I'm in Finland. I don't see how it would vary, it just needs to download (openstreetmap?) maps, if that works fast I'd expect it to work fast too Jul 08 11:05:00 DocScrutinizer05: But would you say the dbus-scripts author has supported/maintained the package as well as a extras-testing package? If so, I might take a second look (sooner than I originally intended, I mean) Jul 08 11:05:15 kwtm: basically there's usually no reason why a pkg is not in testing or extras Jul 08 11:05:59 just a lot of authors didn't ever bother to promote their pkg Jul 08 11:06:09 cloudgps doesn't do anything spectacular except apparently uses the graphics capabilities of the device so that it's something like 50fps and smooth Jul 08 11:06:10 joga: Well, openstreetmap maps might not be as abundant for my region. I think I tried openstreetmaps once and it didn't look so good. Mappero used Google Maps. Wonder if cloudgps will do that? Jul 08 11:06:12 council got that issue on their agenda Jul 08 11:06:28 kwtm not sure, it doesn't seem to have much configuration options in the UI at least Jul 08 11:06:58 Ok. kerio, are you in Scandinavia, too? Jul 08 11:07:00 in maep it's easy to pick your favorite map source Jul 08 11:07:04 kwtm: I can 100% support/suggest dbus-scripts Jul 08 11:07:28 DocScrutinizer05: Ok. Well, I have it installed; I just haven't gotten around to using it yet. Jul 08 11:07:41 (here OSM are gorgeous and very accurate) Jul 08 11:07:54 never had any problems with it, except when me idiot placed a script in the etc/dbus-scripts.d/* dir Jul 08 11:08:30 DocScrutinizer05: And can you suggest a good way to modify (say, add) status bar icons from one of the scripting languages, either bash or python? Is there some "/usr/bin/add-status-icon MyIcon.png" package somewhere? Jul 08 11:09:15 hmmmm, I actually suggested such a generic critter, and I *think* MohammadAGor someone implemented it Jul 08 11:09:58 a generic cmdline tool to add/remove/change an icon in statusbar Jul 08 11:10:08 A lot of the libs are for compiled programs, but I'm glad to see that there are a lot of Python wrappers around. Just have to dig up the docs for them. Jul 08 11:11:52 Yeah, after having *properly* reflashed my N900 (after it limping along for a year or more) I am now making my list of scripting stuff I have wanted to do for the past year: remind me of unread SMS (apparently sms-notify is persona non grata), auto-record GPS if I'm moving faster than 20 km/h, and stick a status bar icon when Shift / Fn / both is pressed. Jul 08 11:12:22 Oh, yeah, and ... read my SMS msgs out loud. Jul 08 11:12:57 Oh, and change the ringtone on the phone so that it will call out the phone number of the incoming caller. Jul 08 11:15:15 the latter one is terribly hard to implement, I already gave it several go's, but that needs hacking of hildon-input-method or similar cryptic/closed stuff Jul 08 11:15:57 (status bar icon when Shift / Fn / both is pressed.) Jul 08 11:16:33 I thought to use notifier LED for that, but that's not the hard part in it anyway Jul 08 11:17:30 finding out about Fn/Shift-sticky (press two times) is "impossible" it seems Jul 08 11:17:39 DocScrutinizer05: Oh. :( I take it you're referring to the status icon of shift/fn. I was also looking for something where, if I press a key twice, it's the same as tapping the Shift key. Also if I hold down the key, it's like pressing Fn -- which the N900 already does anyway except I HAVE TO HOLD IT DOWN FOR SO FRICK'N LONG!!! I could almost finish typing my sentence in the time it takes for the depressed Q key to turn into the Jul 08 11:17:40 number 1. :P Jul 08 11:18:48 DocScrutinizer05: I wonder if we can find out when those yellow-band no-user-interaction-required messages appear, and look for one that says "Fn is locked" or something ... Jul 08 11:19:11 although if we just rely on those, we'd never find out when the Fn key was pressed again to unlock it ... Jul 08 11:19:25 *might* be possible, indeed Jul 08 11:19:36 dbus-monitor the way to go Jul 08 11:19:51 and yes, that's the problem Jul 08 11:23:37 kwtm: southern europe, italy Jul 08 11:23:49 does anyone have any idea why my Kubuntu will happily connect over USB to one N900, but not both at the same time? My Kubuntu laptop is configured to 192.168.10.14, and one N900 is set to 192.168.10.15 and the other to 192.168.10.16. I thought I'd be able to ssh into both but whichever one is connected second fails with the message "no route to host". A Linux ifconfig problem? Jul 08 11:24:13 It's a bummer trying to transfer info between them. :P Jul 08 11:32:41 anyway, maep sucks Jul 08 11:32:45 gpsrecorder is awesome Jul 08 11:32:51 and cloudgps is really neat Jul 08 11:37:32 kerio: Any suggestions on if I want to just read my GPS location (and maybe even speed) from a scripting language like bash or python? Like /usr/bin/gps-location-whatever putting the lat and long into stdout? Or, failing that, some GPS location recorder that constantly records to file (in a friendly format like .gpx) so I can read the file Jul 08 11:37:36 kwtm: my guess is that you have two usb interfaces (usb0 and usb1) Jul 08 11:37:51 kwtm: so you need to configure an ip on both, and on two different subnets Jul 08 11:38:00 kwtm: gpsrecorder does that, i think Jul 08 11:38:02 Corsac: That's what I thought, so I tried sudo ifconfig usb1 192.168.something and it said "usb1: no such interface" Jul 08 11:38:19 kerio: Ok, thx. I thought it just logged on closing but will check it out. Jul 08 11:38:29 kwtm: hm, maybe? Jul 08 11:38:41 kwtm: anyway, there's plenty of utilitied that do it Jul 08 11:38:44 go see how they do it :) Jul 08 11:38:48 the thing is, gps is kinda slow Jul 08 11:38:56 kwtm: check in logs, but my guess is that you might not be able to have to usb interface as the same time, or some thing Jul 08 11:39:04 kwtm: check ip link to see the interface names, too Jul 08 11:40:15 Corsac: I will have to read up a bit to see what you mean by that ... I think by "see interface names" you mean do "ifconfig" to list all interfaces, but ... the funny thing is that each of the two N900's will connect properly on its own. Aaaaanyway ... Jul 08 11:41:23 Oh, how do I check the source of a package I downloaded? It's something like apt-get source install PkgName, right? Or something. Jul 08 11:44:09 kwtm: it sounds like a routing issue to me Jul 08 11:44:16 try putting them in two different subnets Jul 08 11:45:05 kerio: yeah, I figured I'd have to do that (subnets) ... sigh... ok, more tinkering with scripts. Like I have nothing better to do. Oh, well. Jul 08 11:45:11 ok, am going to go catch up on sleep now. Jul 08 11:45:28 "sigh... ok, more tinkering" sums up the whole n900 user experience :) Jul 08 11:58:36 kerio: :) I did try a different subnet (192.168.10.* and 192.168.11.*) for the two N900's and still no luck. Jul 08 11:59:05 Ok, I feel so incredibly stupid. I can ssh into my wifi-connected N900 over the home network. Duhhh... Jul 08 12:00:25 kwtm: well, you're not stupid for expecting usb networking to work on two n900s Jul 08 12:01:09 kerio: Well, thank you for that ... the N900 has made me feel stupid on more than one occasion. Maybe that's why they're called "smartphones". Jul 08 12:01:41 hi there.interesting.why cant dial sim contacts with sip?looks like this function is missing.if i dial the number manually works well Jul 08 12:02:16 yea! Now I can actually transfer stuff between my N900's. :P Been trying to do that for a while now. Jul 08 12:06:33 zsolt: can you elaborate more? it should work Jul 08 12:06:42 well, maybe not Jul 08 12:07:20 i remember there was a way to add a "dial with skypeout" button to contacts Jul 08 12:07:49 it lets me to dial gsm only Jul 08 12:08:50 but if i dial a number manually than i can select the sip option Jul 08 12:09:15 i use n900 with latest firmware Jul 08 12:09:37 ummm... my n900 shuts down immideatly if i power it on o.O what can be wrong ? Jul 08 12:11:32 maybe you have to reflash it.did you installed any unofficial program?i did it and messed my Os up Jul 08 12:11:58 i reflashed it now works Jul 08 12:12:11 oh.. Jul 08 12:12:44 it hangs now Jul 08 12:12:48 at the bootscreen Jul 08 12:13:03 battery? Jul 08 12:13:08 nope Jul 08 12:13:10 full Jul 08 12:13:13 is nokia logo displays? Jul 08 12:13:19 nope Jul 08 12:13:24 just that dots Jul 08 12:13:28 sure it's full? Jul 08 12:13:31 yes Jul 08 12:13:33 got any multimeter? Jul 08 12:13:41 yup Jul 08 12:13:51 you have to measure the battery Jul 08 12:14:35 3.7 V Jul 08 12:14:44 interesting that you cant charge the batt if the os went wrong Jul 08 12:15:44 i think it is not enough Jul 08 12:16:08 i charged mine inside an e90 Jul 08 12:16:52 got any flashing led? Jul 08 12:17:16 when you switch it on?it should be blue Jul 08 12:17:25 its white Jul 08 12:17:32 when i switch it on Jul 08 12:17:37 always has been whit Jul 08 12:17:39 e Jul 08 12:17:39 xD Jul 08 12:17:48 hm Jul 08 12:19:09 um not an expert.just shared my experience.wait till somebody answers you Jul 08 12:19:37 but think that an os error Jul 08 12:20:41 how to call sim contacts with sip?it is annoying that cant do that Jul 08 12:20:43 dhbiker, reflashing rootfs should solve it, and you'll lose only installed applications Jul 08 12:20:55 settings and data will be safely kept Jul 08 12:21:05 ok.. Jul 08 12:21:13 i need a guide then :S Jul 08 12:21:23 never done this before Jul 08 12:21:37 you have to download from maemo.org download section Jul 08 12:21:57 ah Jul 08 12:22:02 enter your imei Jul 08 12:22:05 found FW and guide Jul 08 12:22:42 dont download vanilla kernel Jul 08 12:23:04 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 ? Jul 08 12:23:44 ~flashing Jul 08 12:23:45 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 08 12:24:12 where do you live?if inside uk or us?if outside download global Jul 08 12:24:37 slovenia Jul 08 12:24:39 near italy Jul 08 12:24:46 global it is Jul 08 12:25:06 we are neighbours i am hungarian Jul 08 12:25:22 so global is for you Jul 08 12:25:42 download flasher 3.5 Jul 08 12:26:28 and read carefully the flashing guide Jul 08 12:27:57 if you use linux nevermind the 64bit flasher package Jul 08 12:27:57 k Jul 08 12:28:13 i'm on linux yes.. but not debian :P Jul 08 12:28:34 if you extract the binary from the tgz it should play almost everywhere Jul 08 12:28:47 just download the flasher 3.5 executable Jul 08 12:29:26 ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 08 12:29:29 ouch Jul 08 12:29:57 are you root? Jul 08 12:30:17 dhbiker: install libusb Jul 08 12:30:24 yes i'm root Jul 08 12:30:24 modprobe phonet something like that Jul 08 12:30:39 + libusb is installed... but its lubusbx Jul 08 12:30:45 libusbx* Jul 08 12:30:55 no Jul 08 12:30:58 that's different thing Jul 08 12:31:06 there is a phonet module Jul 08 12:31:19 that do the trick Jul 08 12:31:24 you don't need phonet module Jul 08 12:31:29 phonet module is for something else Jul 08 12:31:42 and it's useless on desktop Jul 08 12:32:20 core/libusbx 1.0.12-2 [installed] Jul 08 12:32:33 why cant call sim contacts with voip? Jul 08 12:32:44 i can install this... aur/lib32-libusb Jul 08 12:32:52 yeah Jul 08 12:32:53 that's the one Jul 08 12:32:56 ok Jul 08 12:33:29 centos? Jul 08 12:33:38 dhbiker: Archlinux ? Jul 08 12:33:44 yes arch Jul 08 12:33:48 ugh Jul 08 12:33:54 no wonder why it doesn't work Jul 08 12:33:59 nope still the same Jul 08 12:34:00 yay! I'm not the only one on Arch :D Jul 08 12:34:12 use debian Jul 08 12:34:26 dhbiker: well, you need that library Jul 08 12:34:28 btw you may have huge problems on Archlinux (like me, I still haven't sloved my problem with flasher...) Jul 08 12:34:28 libusb-0.1.so.4 Jul 08 12:34:32 32bit version of it Jul 08 12:34:55 http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/libusb-compat/files/ Jul 08 12:35:31 i have compat installed Jul 08 12:35:36 but still Jul 08 12:35:53 flasher is pita to use on 64bit Jul 08 12:36:00 get 32bit debian Jul 08 12:36:03 gotta go.good luck and do it on your own risk Jul 08 12:36:16 hmmm Jul 08 12:36:28 dhbiker: have you got /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 ? Jul 08 12:36:38 but read carefully the manuals before Jul 08 12:37:17 /usr/lib32/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 Jul 08 12:37:23 -.- Jul 08 12:37:27 recomend to download virtualbox and a 32 bit debian Jul 08 12:37:44 and install vbox extensions Jul 08 12:38:10 isn't the flasher opensource? Jul 08 12:38:17 dhbiker: that's kinda wrong version Jul 08 12:38:21 why did nobody fix the x86_64 version? Jul 08 12:38:55 lib32-libusb-compat 0.1.4-2 Jul 08 12:38:56 kerio, flasher is not open source Jul 08 12:39:00 you can try with that one Jul 08 12:39:06 why the hell not Jul 08 12:39:13 why can't nokia release the source for it Jul 08 12:39:20 what has to be so secret about it? Jul 08 12:39:31 bye Jul 08 12:39:33 maybe it's embarrassing Jul 08 12:39:37 ;) Jul 08 12:40:05 yup that one did it jacekowski Jul 08 12:40:06 joga, reason number 1 why I keep my source closed: embarrassing coding style... :P Jul 08 12:40:08 \o/ Jul 08 12:42:40 'this source is intentionally obfuscated.' Jul 08 12:42:44 Problem solved. Jul 08 12:42:59 Woo! Jul 08 12:43:01 SIP works. Jul 08 12:43:09 Termana: reason number 1 to release embarassing code: someone will rewrite it in a much better way just to prove that you suck and that he's better than you Jul 08 12:43:28 USB device found found at bus 001, device address 010. Jul 08 12:43:29 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Jul 08 12:43:31 huh o.O Jul 08 12:43:39 if you ignore the insulting part, it says there that someone will rewrite your code in a much better way for free Jul 08 12:45:59 kerio, besides that it was joke, your starting to sound a little butt hurt and a bit free software entitled. Jul 08 12:46:28 Termana: i just bought another n900, and i'm tinkering with it, and i'm getting mildly frustrated Jul 08 12:46:37 because it could be a lot better, but fucking nokia Jul 08 12:46:39 :'( Jul 08 12:46:56 still getting that error -_- Jul 08 12:47:21 dhbiker: are you running it as root? Jul 08 12:47:26 yes Jul 08 12:47:46 kerio, Also if you're looking for a flasher that runs on 64 bit, someone wrote a free software version of flasher, two seperate programs one that does cold flashing the other for kernel/userland flashing, the name of them escapes me but if you do a search on tmo you'll probably find it Jul 08 12:48:09 Or whoever was looking for a 64 bit version of flasher Jul 08 12:48:30 umm Jul 08 12:48:39 orange led started blinking o.O Jul 08 12:48:43 instead of flashing Jul 08 12:50:38 0xFFFF Jul 08 12:51:06 ok it seems like its charging... i'll leave it if it charges up Jul 08 12:57:07 FallenWarlock: arck is cool but sometimes pain in the ass Jul 08 12:57:11 arch* Jul 08 12:57:27 yeah... Jul 08 12:57:30 I know Jul 08 12:57:57 but for me is more user-friendly than ubuntu, mint and other 'user-friendly' distros... Jul 08 13:01:41 brb... moving to my other pc with debian installed Jul 08 13:06:14 I think I may have made a mistake telling mappero to pull all the maps for the City of Perth with a range of 1.31054 latitude and 0.46006 longitude... Jul 08 13:06:23 It said it wanted to download something like 300k maps Jul 08 13:07:45 jonwil, it couldn't figure out where the hell Perth is or why anyone would want to be there Jul 08 13:07:52 Hah Jul 08 13:07:55 Perth is a good city :) Jul 08 13:09:13 We just need to get rid of all the old people Jul 08 13:09:52 oh well, worst thing that will happen if I let it go is that it will full up my MyDocs partition and I have to kill it or something Jul 08 13:10:08 Its plugged into the charger so it shouldn't run out of juice during the download Jul 08 13:10:29 and its grabbing over WiFi so speed and download quota isn't a problem :) Jul 08 13:11:30 jacekowski: flashed ! and it boots :} Jul 08 13:15:04 dhbiker: yay! Jul 08 13:15:07 now install cssu Jul 08 13:15:12 well Jul 08 13:15:13 now remove cherry Jul 08 13:15:15 then install cssu Jul 08 13:15:20 then do stuff Jul 08 13:15:21 ugh Jul 08 13:15:26 everything is so.... Jul 08 13:15:27 clean Jul 08 13:15:28 xD Jul 08 13:15:31 (cherry = that mynokia crap) Jul 08 13:15:40 I wonder why they chose this name Jul 08 13:15:55 jonwil: I cannot find the source of your browsed FOSS replacement, mind to share it on gitorious? Jul 08 13:16:05 kerio: cherry ? Jul 08 13:16:06 zsolt: gone... (should've checked if apt-get autoremove nuked his rtcom-voip-foobar, and enable "use SIP for outbound calls" to show up "sip" dial buttons in contacts) Jul 08 13:16:45 some unhappy foss developer who wanted to pun the fruity-like policies by nokia? Jul 08 13:16:53 DocScrutinizer05: hm, how's it called? Jul 08 13:16:54 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/client-server/trunk/server/?root=browser Jul 08 13:16:59 i might have uninstalled it by mistake Jul 08 13:17:02 with css Jul 08 13:17:03 u Jul 08 13:17:09 but i haven't dicked around with autoremove Jul 08 13:17:10 honest Jul 08 13:17:14 ~jrtools Jul 08 13:17:15 extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 08 13:17:15 Try that Jul 08 13:17:46 fremangordon, that code I linked to is the official-from-Nokia browserd source and it matches PR1.3.1 Jul 08 13:18:13 DocScrutinizer05: huh, i still have it Jul 08 13:18:21 and i haven't marked it manual either, i think Jul 08 13:20:29 _freemangordon: http://i.imgur.com/O1bVT.jpg Take a look at this, Gordon. Jul 08 13:20:53 <_freemangordon> hehe Jul 08 13:20:53 yesss Jul 08 13:22:21 freemangordon, does that source help you Jul 08 13:22:22 ? Jul 08 13:22:44 jonwil please do not disturb him. He's taking a look at it Jul 08 13:22:50 the image i mean Jul 08 13:23:11 <_freemangordon> jonwil: unfortuantely not, as in the meanwhile I found whit thumb-compiled libxul segfaults Jul 08 13:23:27 <_freemangordon> s/whit/why/ Jul 08 13:23:27 _freemangordon meant: jonwil: unfortuantely not, as in the meanwhile I found why thumb-compiled libxul segfaults Jul 08 13:23:41 why does it segfault? Jul 08 13:23:50 Gecko not thumb compatible? Jul 08 13:24:01 <_freemangordon> well, microb-engine is not Jul 08 13:24:19 jonwil: so... browserd *is* open source! Jul 08 13:24:35 <_freemangordon> there is an upstream patch for that, I was just applying it, will report in half an hour Jul 08 13:24:52 it is open source as of 4 months ago Jul 08 13:25:16 jonwil: cool - so why does it still kinda suck? Jul 08 13:25:33 because no-one has done anything to browserd yet :P Jul 08 13:25:46 browserd is open source, as is browser-neteal Jul 08 13:25:56 tablet-browser-* are still closed through Jul 08 13:26:03 i.e. the UI Jul 08 13:26:25 aww.. i lost repos :( Jul 08 13:26:53 dhbiker: because of reflash? Jul 08 13:27:03 yes Jul 08 13:27:13 dhbiker: why would you need more than ssu, mr0, extras-devel and community-testing? Jul 08 13:27:13 don't worry - me too :D Jul 08 13:27:33 dhbiker: protip: install backupmenu and make full backups (they're not that big) often Jul 08 13:27:56 ok Jul 08 13:27:57 :P Jul 08 13:29:14 dhbiker, alfred's signature on tmo is invaluable Jul 08 13:29:37 google reps are one click away on your device Jul 08 13:29:38 hm? Jul 08 13:29:44 kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875 Jul 08 13:30:00 he's got .install files for all the repos Jul 08 13:30:06 no need to add repos manually Jul 08 13:30:16 where ? xD Jul 08 13:30:25 DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i still have those Jul 08 13:30:33 so something fixed that problem Jul 08 13:30:33 google "reps are one click away" Jul 08 13:30:39 oh Jul 08 13:30:42 oops xD Jul 08 13:30:47 tnx qwazix Jul 08 13:30:52 hey Estel_, how're you? :) Jul 08 13:31:06 hi there :) Jul 08 13:31:10 click on the first result, it's in the signature of Alfred Jul 08 13:31:15 DocScrutinizer05: hm, i don't have rtcom-accounts-plugin-facebook, but i never installed facebook Jul 08 13:31:32 oh no wait, i do Jul 08 13:31:43 well, I probably don't have that as well? Jul 08 13:32:03 I always remove everything with 'facebook' in name Jul 08 13:32:11 and if I have I better get rid of it? X-P Jul 08 13:32:29 yeah! FallenWarlock, sane idea Jul 08 13:32:51 DocScrutinizer05: no, really, my autoremove doesn't want to remove those Jul 08 13:32:56 so your advice is outdated Jul 08 13:33:02 pr1.3.1+cssu-t Jul 08 13:33:04 well, depends Jul 08 13:33:14 we tried to fix it in cssu Jul 08 13:33:20 anyway, i always pay attention if and when i autoremove :) Jul 08 13:33:48 for me it's not yet fixed however Jul 08 13:33:50 qwazix: found it tnx again Jul 08 13:34:11 I have to re-install after every other CSSU update Jul 08 13:34:48 not a big thing to do a apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support Jul 08 13:34:49 hmm.. I have really no luck with installing other distros/os'es on my N900... I've tried ~50 times to install any diffrent using tutorials and I always fail... what's fun - I installed once nemo and nitdroid without tutorials on first week that I get my N900... Jul 08 13:35:37 who wants alternative OS anyway? Jul 08 13:36:15 crazy ppl like me :P Jul 08 13:36:24 heh Jul 08 13:36:27 are there plans for proper 720p support in cssu? Jul 08 13:36:28 dhbiker, np Jul 08 13:36:41 dhbiker: still problems with flashing? Jul 08 13:36:45 nope Jul 08 13:36:49 k Jul 08 13:36:53 problems with installing :D Jul 08 13:36:53 no, he managed to flash Jul 08 13:36:58 so many stuff got lost Jul 08 13:37:00 :( Jul 08 13:37:11 restore from backup Jul 08 13:37:16 i didnt have it Jul 08 13:37:17 xD Jul 08 13:37:21 lol Jul 08 13:38:28 well, so now you're free to start all clean&new, and set up a proper and sane system ;-D Jul 08 13:38:46 true Jul 08 13:38:49 first: install CSSU Jul 08 13:39:02 nah, first install backupmenu Jul 08 13:39:04 + i can test equalizer plugin on fresh OS :P Jul 08 13:39:12 do a backup of your clean fresh system Jul 08 13:39:53 (it's probably more convenient to restore a clean system than to flash a clean system) Jul 08 13:40:03 true Jul 08 13:40:04 xD Jul 08 13:40:05 in case you ever need that Jul 08 13:40:23 BM-backup! Jul 08 13:40:39 2nd step: install CSSU Jul 08 13:40:54 probably Stable Jul 08 13:41:03 is the one for you Jul 08 13:41:14 i always had stable Jul 08 13:41:19 and kernel power Jul 08 13:41:19 :nod: Jul 08 13:41:46 equalizer plugin? Jul 08 13:41:52 haha Jul 08 13:41:53 :D Jul 08 13:41:54 yes Jul 08 13:41:57 hmm, so I'd install CSSU-S first, then do another BM-backup Jul 08 13:42:03 what kind of plugin, might I ask? Jul 08 13:42:16 for pulseaudio Jul 08 13:42:19 so far the player i found with the best EQ is rockbox, but that only allows 4 bands Jul 08 13:42:23 freemangordon: is there a better way to add 720p support than the guide on TMO? Jul 08 13:42:25 then install PK50(?) Jul 08 13:42:38 RiD: mine is 31 band :P Jul 08 13:42:41 but they're fully customizable and not heavy Jul 08 13:43:06 dhbiker that's for studio editing, not media player tweaking LOL Jul 08 13:43:11 DocScrutinizer05: what about bfs kernel ? Jul 08 13:43:17 RiD: why not ? :P Jul 08 13:43:23 too many bands :O Jul 08 13:43:28 DocScrutinizer05: but cssu-s sucks :( Jul 08 13:43:28 not really Jul 08 13:43:45 by the way, you have any idea of how heavy it is? Jul 08 13:43:57 dhbiker: the de-facto "standard" for unofficial kernels is KP Jul 08 13:44:12 RiD: not so heavy Jul 08 13:44:52 dhbiker i'm asking because i don't know. Someplayer, symphonie and so on use equalizers that make your CPU go 100%. Rockbox has a more lightweight equalizer, but only 4 bands. Jul 08 13:45:17 RiD: mine is still in plishing stage... but cpu load is around 30% Jul 08 13:45:25 polishing* Jul 08 13:45:50 so its not reccomended to install this http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_BFS ? Jul 08 13:46:31 dhbiker nice, i'll love to have it then. (after the polishing) Jul 08 13:48:03 dhbiker: i wouldn't install it Jul 08 13:48:11 RiD: ok i'll share it then :P Jul 08 13:48:22 kerio: why not ? Jul 08 13:48:30 because of the scheduler ? Jul 08 13:48:35 dhbiker: because it's not KP Jul 08 13:48:37 :) Jul 08 13:48:37 wb Jul 08 13:48:50 DocScrutinizer05: what's 05, btw? Jul 08 13:49:02 debate about sorry, got disconnected Jul 08 13:49:10 err Jul 08 13:49:17 sorry, got disconnected Jul 08 13:49:29 DocScrutinizer05: dhbiker is asking whether it's worth it to install the kernel-bfs Jul 08 13:49:34 debate about which scheduler is best is a religion Jul 08 13:49:39 i'm saying it's not, because it's not KP Jul 08 13:49:43 I don't think another scheduler will improve anything Jul 08 13:49:52 nah, its usefulness yet to be prooved Jul 08 13:49:54 it did on my pc :P Jul 08 13:50:04 dhbiker you would be selfish if you didn't share it :o Jul 08 13:50:21 thumbcompiled browserd? Jul 08 13:50:25 RiD: haha :D Jul 08 13:50:33 I have the wierdest boner right now. Jul 08 13:52:09 dhbiker, sorry I missed the beginning of the discussion. what're you working on? Jul 08 13:52:10 damn this app manager is slow Jul 08 13:52:16 dhbiker: I'd stick with PK, as bfs-kernel is always late, it's a fork of PK and needs a whole maintainer just to keep up with main PK just to introduce an allegedly "better" scheduler Jul 08 13:52:32 DocScrutinizer05: k! Jul 08 13:52:46 Venemo_N9: equalizer plugin for pulseaudio Jul 08 13:53:17 while nobody afaik ever checked if that bfs is actually any better than our standard scheduler on N900 Jul 08 13:53:32 well... Jul 08 13:53:38 i can still try it :P Jul 08 13:53:43 all based on assumptions and findings on desktop linux Jul 08 13:54:47 bfs is for "oh leete, another geek gadget" users Jul 08 13:54:54 dhbiker, mmhm Jul 08 13:55:28 DocScrutinizer05: oh come on DS Jul 08 13:55:31 those who show off their uname -a Jul 08 13:55:48 some people are into harcore fiddling. Jul 08 13:56:12 dont make out they are retards because of it. Jul 08 13:56:12 well, fine for them then Jul 08 13:56:22 DocScrutinizer05: you mean like this : Linux 4rch 3.4.4-4-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jul 3 16:21:34 EDT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux ? :P Jul 08 13:56:49 well, kinda Jul 08 13:56:53 dhbiker: pff, u noob. Jul 08 13:56:59 i'd rather show off my physical leg Jul 08 13:57:02 vi_ ? Jul 08 13:57:08 vi_: any mails? Jul 08 13:57:14 dhbiker: it is a joke. Jul 08 13:57:19 freemangordon: nope. Jul 08 13:57:23 freemangordon: ffs. Jul 08 13:57:25 :S Jul 08 13:57:27 vi_'s point is taken, but those "users" won't ask "should I get bfs-kernel?" Jul 08 13:57:36 DocScrutinizer05: agree. Jul 08 13:58:09 i'm asking since i'm not a pro on N900's capabilities Jul 08 13:58:10 :P Jul 08 13:58:13 the final nail: kernel-bfs is nto supported by its maintainers for the last 4 os so months Jul 08 13:58:24 lol Jul 08 13:58:26 DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu ? Jul 08 13:58:27 ouch Jul 08 13:58:33 ~bm Jul 08 13:58:34 extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jul 08 13:58:34 ouch... KP it is Jul 08 13:58:34 xD Jul 08 13:58:36 you may ask iDont Jul 08 13:58:39 k Jul 08 13:59:11 ~rid Jul 08 13:59:23 stupid bot Jul 08 13:59:28 you may ignore as well, as bfs is not any mandatory option for you Jul 08 13:59:34 oh it's dumb bot not stupid Jul 08 13:59:51 ~rid is a bot hater Jul 08 13:59:51 DocScrutinizer05: okay Jul 08 14:00:19 ~rid Jul 08 14:00:20 hmm... rid is a bot hater Jul 08 14:00:38 ~forget rid Jul 08 14:00:38 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot rid Jul 08 14:01:16 ~attack RiD Jul 08 14:01:16 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD Jul 08 14:01:40 backupmenu is MANDATORY. Jul 08 14:01:45 indeed Jul 08 14:02:03 should've been in stock maemo since PR1.0, tbh Jul 08 14:02:25 to qaulify for TMO extended warranty you need to install Backupmenu. Jul 08 14:02:36 ^qualify Jul 08 14:02:37 all hail to robbiethe1st for providing this Jul 08 14:02:49 Boot the N900 with the Keyboard open <--- nice xD Jul 08 14:03:03 PRAISE HIS MIGHT. Jul 08 14:03:11 _O_ Jul 08 14:03:45 dhbiker what is the difference? O_o Jul 08 14:03:51 hail o/ Jul 08 14:04:08 RiD: difference in ? Jul 08 14:04:21 DocScrutinizer05: but it would confuse the poor users who turn on their n900 with the keyboard open :P Jul 08 14:04:34 Boot the N900 with the Keyboard open <--- nice xD Jul 08 14:04:38 yeah, a restore mode that you access by holding "r" at boot time would've been neat Jul 08 14:05:04 RiD: you invoke BM this way Jul 08 14:05:11 DocScrutinizer05, I still remember the time when you were against it. :) Jul 08 14:05:18 haha Jul 08 14:05:20 that is an order of magnitude harder to implement. Jul 08 14:05:20 Venemo_N9: never Jul 08 14:05:56 DocScrutinizer05 oh >.< Jul 08 14:05:57 Venemo_N9: I just objected it using dd for restoring NAND, which robbiethe1st fixed after I spotted that ugly bug Jul 08 14:06:21 that's when we got BM2 Jul 08 14:06:33 wich is all awesome Jul 08 14:07:28 DocScrutinizer05: should i make a backup right after the cssu or after all the sutff is installed ? Jul 08 14:07:45 DocScrutinizer05: well, what's so bad about using dd to restore a NAND? Jul 08 14:07:54 meanwhile I figured you could use mtdtools instead dd, and I'm again piushing for a BM improvement, so it could actually also backup/restore kernels :-D Jul 08 14:07:55 i mean, if it's the same physical chip Jul 08 14:08:22 kerio: it has some *very* weird bad block management that's incompatible with dd Jul 08 14:08:35 tru dat Jul 08 14:08:54 but what's the problem with restoring a backup you made of the same chip? the bad blocks are going to be the same, aren't they Jul 08 14:09:11 your "same chip" might have accquired a new bad block since you did that backup Jul 08 14:09:21 ...good point Jul 08 14:09:22 restoring that backup you're busted Jul 08 14:09:44 sure you're doomed using this for migrating from one device to another Jul 08 14:13:03 backupmenu has my approval, btw Jul 08 14:13:09 i successfully restored a backup Jul 08 14:13:18 ^_^ Jul 08 14:13:25 BM is mere awesome Jul 08 14:13:42 wtf is signond? Jul 08 14:13:52 i didnt even know BM xD Jul 08 14:14:19 we need some education of "unwashed masses" it seems ;-D Jul 08 14:14:55 DocScrutinizer05: these are all people who didn't install cssu properly Jul 08 14:14:58 it's in the instructions Jul 08 14:15:03 hey everybody GET BACKUPMENU app! it's the most important thing on maemo ever Jul 08 14:15:24 ^ that's true Jul 08 14:15:33 it would only be slightly worse than an app that gives you blowjobs Jul 08 14:15:52 and even then, you'd still want to install it, so you can backup the app that gives you blowjobs Jul 08 14:16:02 hehe Jul 08 14:16:04 kerio: i had CSSU installed properly Jul 08 14:16:09 dhbiker: not really Jul 08 14:16:12 not sure why it bricked Jul 08 14:16:18 kerio: why not really Jul 08 14:16:22 the instructions clearly state "install backupmenu and make a full backup" Jul 08 14:16:30 because the instructions tell you to get BM Jul 08 14:16:32 ok i might skip that Jul 08 14:16:33 xD Jul 08 14:16:46 kerio, signond is apart of the accounts framework on the N9 Jul 08 14:16:59 cool, i didn't know i had a n9 Jul 08 14:16:59 i have the backup now so... Jul 08 14:17:02 i thought i had a n900 Jul 08 14:17:10 lol kerio Jul 08 14:17:11 xD Jul 08 14:17:17 Well, it probably does the same thing on the N900 Jul 08 14:17:35 yeah Jul 08 14:17:55 nfc what it does exactly Jul 08 14:18:16 something along authenticating to maemo repos I guess Jul 08 14:18:36 n900 has nfc too o.O Jul 08 14:19:01 yep, when I hit you with it Jul 08 14:19:05 ;-P Jul 08 14:19:07 ~nfc Jul 08 14:19:07 i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications Jul 08 14:19:19 lol Jul 08 14:20:12 Termana: how's life down there? Jul 08 14:20:44 DocScrutinizer05, life is fine. Weather is crap Jul 08 14:20:57 aah yeah, winter on your side Jul 08 14:21:17 i love winter Jul 08 14:21:20 where can i sign ? Jul 08 14:21:21 :D Jul 08 14:21:27 36 C here -.- Jul 08 14:22:01 who hates summer Jul 08 14:22:09 o/ Jul 08 14:22:48 i love summer, o_o Jul 08 14:22:51 i dont Jul 08 14:23:27 Personally, I would just like a WARM day. Not broken dial really turned up to 11 hot and not pulled the dial off to 0 cold. Jul 08 14:25:02 Termana, this is a pretty warm day here... Jul 08 14:28:08 Venemo_N9, too bad I'm not looking to move to Europe :p Jul 08 14:28:21 as for Voip, i'm wondering what is causing this irritating bug with choppy voice calls on N900 Jul 08 14:28:33 that get semi"fixed" by hanging call and immediately activating it Jul 08 14:29:03 i.e. the thing that makes conversation quality worse and worse as time passes, then, after hanging and activating, it's all clear again. Jul 08 14:29:07 DocScrutinizer05: do you run powerkernel? Jul 08 14:29:20 there is ages opld bug on bugzilla for it, even nokians investigated it - no one found true solution or case :( Jul 08 14:29:23 on my daily phone? no Jul 08 14:29:32 DocScrutinizer05: do you have choppy voip? Jul 08 14:29:36 vi_, I suggest trying thumb kernel :) Jul 08 14:29:40 on my test devices yes Jul 08 14:29:43 coincidence? Jul 08 14:29:56 vi_, choppy voip happens in stock kernel too Jul 08 14:30:03 Termana, where're you? Jul 08 14:30:17 furthermore, sometime it happens, sometime not. Hanging and activating always "fixes" it for a while Jul 08 14:30:21 voip works seems to work on stock kernel. Jul 08 14:30:30 for me. Jul 08 14:30:41 It is an epic pain in the scrotum. Jul 08 14:30:45 bug report was full of people on stock experiencing this Jul 08 14:30:58 yea, it's irritating, but lets clear things - do you reffer to same thing, i.e. Jul 08 14:31:09 initially quality is great, then, gradually, it looks like packet lost? Jul 08 14:31:20 Venemo_N9, South Australia, eventually looking to move to the US though (*waits for the patronizing scolds from all the Europeans* :p), not for the weather though Jul 08 14:31:20 i.e. more and more disortions, as time passes? linear way? Jul 08 14:31:28 vi_: (choppy voip) usually not Jul 08 14:31:33 It quickly degrades to worthless. Jul 08 14:31:37 vi, yes Jul 08 14:31:41 unless connectivity is flawed Jul 08 14:31:47 and hanging call and re-activating it immediately makes it clear again. Jul 08 14:31:55 even on best connection Jul 08 14:32:13 it was confirmed that it's something in MAemo, but no one know where and what Jul 08 14:32:24 Termana, I thought Australia had a nice weathet Jul 08 14:32:25 r Jul 08 14:32:34 sometimes it happens after 2 minutes, and sometimes, after 30 minutes - although, it seems that it's just matter of how fast it happens, not "if" Jul 08 14:33:04 vi_, if you wait long enough, it degrades to absolute silence. Jul 08 14:33:17 although, only for You - 2nd party hears You well Jul 08 14:33:19 usually Jul 08 14:33:25 usually not happening to me, even after 30min Jul 08 14:33:44 some people got better results with power saving off, although, finally, it turned out to be unrelated, or not directly related Jul 08 14:33:50 I often have initial bad quality though, that never recovers Jul 08 14:34:01 DocScrutinizer, sounds like other kind of problem Jul 08 14:34:03 Venemo_N9, maybe in a more north/east state like Queensland or maybe New South Wales would be better weather than SA. Jul 08 14:34:08 yes Jul 08 14:34:27 well, as long as i remember we have two such mysterious bugs Jul 08 14:34:32 1 is "reboot bug" Jul 08 14:34:45 and 2nd, even more ancient, is that voip thing Jul 08 14:34:57 vi_, out of curiosity, try disabling power saving Jul 08 14:34:59 for wifi Jul 08 14:35:06 and see if it happens less often/slower Jul 08 14:35:15 I'd think a close inspection of tshark protocol should reveal something Jul 08 14:35:37 DocScrutinizer, wait, i'll post a bug report about it, it's epic long with many failed ideas Jul 08 14:35:50 Venemo_N9, I'm probably just not much of a winter person. I don't like the cold. And during summer we can start to get really hot here, but generally it is better. Jul 08 14:36:23 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Jul 08 14:36:26 04Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Jul 08 14:36:32 title is wrong Jul 08 14:36:42 Estel_: a tshark protocol would clearly show if inbound RTP has jitter/packet-loss, or if the problem is generic maemo/PA/libsofiasip Jul 08 14:36:42 it turned out to be not power saving dependent Jul 08 14:36:54 * Estel_ nods Jul 08 14:37:04 probably yes, although, I'm not sure if someone haven't tried that alreadfy Jul 08 14:37:08 already* Jul 08 14:37:30 also, it's not happening for other inbounds... Jul 08 14:37:40 in my book it's related to far end and the way RTP is handled there Jul 08 14:37:48 quite possible Jul 08 14:38:00 Termana, I hate cold too! Jul 08 14:38:11 but how and why? btw, sofiasip is FOSS, yep? Jul 08 14:42:45 Maemo.Org Coding Competition 2012 ... i want n950 :( Jul 08 14:43:12 :) Jul 08 14:43:31 Estel_: for example if far end starts with slightly too high pace on RTP packets, and libsofiasip sends out those RTP-feedback-msgs resulting in far end not reducing but even increasing packet rate, this could well result in such a problem Jul 08 14:43:55 or the other way round Jul 08 14:44:45 libsofiasip sends "I lost 3 packets", far end thinks "duh, so I have to be too fast" and reduces packet pace even more Jul 08 14:45:44 Estel_: this is very much handwaving, not based on detailled knowledge and observed patterns Jul 08 14:45:45 sure, but how can we prove this theory, and even more important, fix it? Jul 08 14:45:54 it would require coder looking into it Jul 08 14:45:58 prove: tshark Jul 08 14:46:11 fix: libsofiasip for example Jul 08 14:46:27 DocScrutinizer, care to write comment in bugziolla? Nokians are not watching it anymore, but many, many interested people still are subscribed to this bug Jul 08 14:46:28 report Jul 08 14:46:38 wireshark has powerful dissectors for RTP Jul 08 14:47:06 you're free to add a quote of what I said Jul 08 14:47:38 I'm not encountering this particular bug, so I don't feel like commenting on the ticket Jul 08 14:48:20 after all bugzilla isn't a forum thread where you discuss stuff Jul 08 14:48:32 you add facts there Jul 08 14:49:01 not common knowledge facts, rather facts closely related to the particular bug Jul 08 14:49:40 for a more relaxed discussion there's IRC and tmo Jul 08 14:52:38 Estel_: (sofiasip) yes it's part of telepathy and afaik FOSS Jul 08 14:54:04 dhbiker: your EQ might make it - only if you change that prime number 31 to a sane 32 ;-) Jul 08 14:54:28 anyone knows something in detail or even heard about the bug were maemo dies at booting 1-2 times until it works in the third attempt? Jul 08 14:55:01 NIN101: probably a battery condition Jul 08 14:55:22 :nod: Jul 08 14:55:46 NIN101: also PK had that problem with FB enabled Jul 08 14:56:18 somehow framebuffer ooops'ed the kernel 2 out of three times Jul 08 14:56:36 ask MohammadAG about it Jul 08 14:56:38 hmm, I have fb enabled but not power kernel. Jul 08 14:56:49 but I guess it doesn't matter. Jul 08 14:56:55 whether pk or not. Jul 08 14:57:07 PK vs stock with FB? probably same thing Jul 08 14:57:29 yeah. Jul 08 14:57:39 something in setting up the gfx engine fecked out on random Jul 08 14:58:00 iirc Jul 08 14:58:23 check mtd-oops Jul 08 14:58:37 I did, nothing. Jul 08 14:58:47 I'd think it should tell something about the issue Jul 08 14:58:52 :-/ Jul 08 14:59:26 check battery, indeed Jul 08 14:59:29 battery condition as in old-battery or low-battery? Jul 08 14:59:42 yeah, worn battery Jul 08 15:00:11 might drop below V-good during that time from NOLO till BME kicks in Jul 08 15:00:57 NIN101: some logger lines in initscripts might help Jul 08 15:01:05 to spot the issue Jul 08 15:01:51 checked bootreason? Jul 08 15:02:29 nobody wants to buy my n900 screen from ebay for $20 lol Jul 08 15:02:39 duh Jul 08 15:02:48 it's always power key. Jul 08 15:02:53 i thought $20 was fair ;) Jul 08 15:02:58 complete screen with digitizer, in good condition? Jul 08 15:03:03 yes Jul 08 15:03:25 Macer: you'd ship to Germany? Jul 08 15:03:48 i'd have to check rates to germany but sure... doesn't matter to me. it's just a trip to the USPS Jul 08 15:04:04 linkie please Jul 08 15:04:26 well.. it's up for bid but the reserve is $20 Jul 08 15:04:43 URL or it won't happen Jul 08 15:05:34 http://www.ebay.com/itm/261062352045?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Jul 08 15:05:38 heh Jul 08 15:05:57 first time trying to sell somethign on ebay Jul 08 15:06:02 never really bothered with it for sales Jul 08 15:06:20 figured i'd try it out... i have a bunch of junk i can probably clear out that is just taking up space but people might want Jul 08 15:06:24 bbl Jul 08 15:06:26 buy now for 50? nah! Jul 08 15:06:37 hahha... well.. figured i'd find someone desperate Jul 08 15:06:41 but the reserve is 20 ;) Jul 08 15:07:17 with $5 for standard shipping but i didn't add international shipping Jul 08 15:07:25 for something that light tho i doubt it would cost much Jul 08 15:09:58 hmm, ebay sucks. I'd rather transfer 25$ to your paypal account and post you my addr Jul 08 15:10:47 well. i'm not really sure it is within the ebay rules to take an item down once it is up Jul 08 15:11:24 i have no idea tho... first thing i have ever tried to sell on ebay heh Jul 08 15:11:27 well, it's broken or whatever. You can't sell any goods you don't posess anymore Jul 08 15:12:15 actually I'd be willing to pay 30 for the whole broken N900 Jul 08 15:12:45 cant... the board still has sensitive data on it Jul 08 15:12:55 hmmm Jul 08 15:13:00 my vfat partition is giving error, and fsck is failing http://pastie.org/4220703 Jul 08 15:13:07 anything i can do? Jul 08 15:13:17 that is why i didnt try to sell it with the broken usb port Jul 08 15:13:18 reflash Jul 08 15:13:36 i'd have to put it back together :-P no thanks Jul 08 15:13:38 Macer: I see Jul 08 15:13:43 DocScrutinizer05: uggh. dont like that option. have done a lot of customisations Jul 08 15:13:43 i'd rather take a hammer to it Jul 08 15:13:48 Macer: If it's had no bids, it's fine Jul 08 15:13:52 just as much hassle ;) Jul 08 15:14:10 than to do all that work for $10 extra Jul 08 15:14:42 Macer: well, keep the mainboard, give me the rest of it Jul 08 15:14:55 oh... the plastics etc? Jul 08 15:15:06 yep, maybe even domesheet too Jul 08 15:15:11 let me see if they are still on the table Jul 08 15:16:08 yeah i have them it seems Jul 08 15:16:24 i'll add it to the pics in a few... going to take a shower and eat right now Jul 08 15:16:33 just finished running Jul 08 15:16:39 I don't need pics on fleabay Jul 08 15:16:44 with endomondo... on my lumia 900 :-P Jul 08 15:16:55 * Macer hides Jul 08 15:21:24 Macer: package everything nicely, take a picture of the open package and send it to me together with your paypal account while asking for my addr to put on the package. I'll post you my addr and paypal the money. Jul 08 15:23:08 DocScrutinizer05: i'll sell you my n900-with-broken-usb Jul 08 15:23:10 for 80€ Jul 08 15:23:17 too much Jul 08 15:23:28 hey, screens go for 50€, haven't you heard? :P Jul 08 15:25:00 €50 = $10 Jul 08 15:25:12 true story Jul 08 15:27:46 hah, and to think I GIVE my spare parts to members of the community so they can fix their n900s. Jul 08 15:32:11 i'm still waiting for DocScrutinizer05 to offer a n900 ram upgrade service at a reasonable price, btw Jul 08 15:32:14 vi_: ?? Jul 08 15:32:29 kerio: haha Jul 08 15:32:45 I couldn't find anywhere to source the RAM, or I'd give it a go. Jul 08 15:33:06 yeah, RAM POP hard to find Jul 08 15:33:15 hmm Jul 08 15:33:19 installed KP Jul 08 15:33:25 and its still booting nokia kernel Jul 08 15:33:27 o.O Jul 08 15:33:34 o.O Jul 08 15:33:53 dhbiker: did you install kernel-power-flasher? Jul 08 15:33:58 yes Jul 08 15:34:02 you're lying Jul 08 15:34:03 you liar Jul 08 15:34:06 you need the holy threefold Jul 08 15:34:09 stop lying Jul 08 15:34:20 wait what Jul 08 15:34:23 kernel, modules, flasher Jul 08 15:34:31 it was marked for install Jul 08 15:34:33 wtf Jul 08 15:35:00 DocScrutinizer05: and -config, too! Jul 08 15:35:05 no, settings? Jul 08 15:35:09 what's the userland tool called? Jul 08 15:35:12 aaaand you need to install in correct sequence Jul 08 15:35:26 kerio: not needed Jul 08 15:35:36 off to food lol.. later Jul 08 15:35:51 DocScrutinizer05: wait, i always just installed kernel-power-flasher and it pulled everything else with deps Jul 08 15:36:01 should, yeah Jul 08 15:36:17 at least I guess it should Jul 08 15:36:30 I always installed it via apt-get ;-P Jul 08 15:36:46 or even dpkg Jul 08 15:37:10 since I usually downloadede the .dpk from $somewhere Jul 08 15:39:42 you know, more often than not the PK version I wanted wasn't in any repo Jul 08 15:40:04 DocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't you want the latest version? Jul 08 15:40:34 how long does fsck take on the vfat partition, http://pastie.org/4220793 ? Jul 08 15:40:42 maybe because I used a version somebody patched beyond latest version, with some stuff we like to test Jul 08 15:40:48 it has been going for about 30 minutes now Jul 08 15:41:07 kerio: maybe the latest version never showed up in repo for quite several months Jul 08 15:41:15 DocScrutinizer05: is it safe to kill fsck? Jul 08 15:41:26 ~8ball Jul 08 15:41:27 * infobot rolls the eight ball and gets: Without a doubt Jul 08 15:41:30 no Jul 08 15:41:31 bad infobot Jul 08 15:41:40 trumee: what infobot meant to say was "all signs point to no" Jul 08 15:41:47 kerio: right Jul 08 15:41:56 trumee: when running via mass storage - looong. When running on device - possibly infinite Jul 08 15:42:02 hahaha Jul 08 15:42:06 fsck doesnt give out much verbose info! Jul 08 15:42:25 trumee: yes, usually it shouldn't do too much additional destruction Jul 08 15:42:42 DocScrutinizer05: safe to kill? Jul 08 15:43:09 yep Jul 08 15:43:13 DocScrutinizer05: cool Jul 08 15:43:21 in a sense of: Jul 08 15:43:31 it's fuckedup anywaqy Jul 08 15:43:42 trumee: well, you have backups anyway Jul 08 15:43:43 so only the way it's fuckedup might have changed Jul 08 15:43:43 RIGHT? Jul 08 15:44:22 kerio: backup was from last year! Jul 08 15:44:32 * RST38h yawns and swallows a live dormouse. Jul 08 15:44:35 great, that means that you have done nothing important since last year Jul 08 15:44:40 So, gentlemen, what's cooking? Jul 08 15:44:44 because if you did, you would've made backups Jul 08 15:44:47 afaik fsck tries to keep as little as possible in RAM, only doing write before delete Jul 08 15:44:52 to move blocks Jul 08 15:45:11 i need a cron to auto-backup overnight Jul 08 15:45:14 ~dict dormouse Jul 08 15:45:16 Dictionary 'dormouse' (1 of 2): \Dor"mouse\, n.; pl. {Dormice}. [Perh. fr. F. dormir to sleep (Prov. E. dorm to doze) + E. mouse; or perh. changed fr. F. dormeuse, fem., a sleeper, though not found in the sense of a dormouse.] (Zool.) A small European rodent of the genus {Myoxus}, of several species. They live in trees and feed on nuts, acorns, etc.; -- so called because they are usually torpid in winter. [1913 Webster]. Jul 08 15:47:18 trumee: that's not really panning out - backup app has no way to do unattended backups (missing cmdline interface), and BM needs to be run during boot anyway Jul 08 15:47:55 best thing you can probably get is backup via rsync to PC Jul 08 15:47:58 see Jul 08 15:48:01 ~jrtools Jul 08 15:48:02 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 08 15:49:42 DocScrutinizer05: cant i save the db files for calendar and contacts themselves (i need to backup only these) Jul 08 15:50:00 sure Jul 08 15:50:28 but the more convenient way is to backup all Jul 08 15:50:38 or to use backup app Jul 08 15:51:53 which knows how to export contacts and callendar to xml or vcards or whatever iirc - of course it's closed source so you couldn't reuse that for your own backup solution Jul 08 15:57:36 trumee: recommended recovery path for corrupted fs: make a physical image of the /dev/device on PC, then reflash the N900 Jul 08 15:57:59 DocScrutinizer05: using dd? Jul 08 15:58:05 fsck on flash storage is no good idea anyway Jul 08 15:58:08 yep Jul 08 15:58:57 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jul 08 15:58:59 tbh I fail to recall any success story on fixing flash fs with fsck Jul 08 15:59:33 on PC you loopmont the image, and then you can fsck and whatever you like, to recover data Jul 08 16:01:57 DocScrutinizer05: wait, it's not a flash device, is it Jul 08 16:02:03 it's the eMMC Jul 08 16:02:10 DocScrutinizer05: ah so fsck on PC and dd back to the device? Jul 08 16:02:11 that's flash, no? Jul 08 16:02:32 DocScrutinizer05: you're not supposed to know it's flash Jul 08 16:02:34 it's a perfect block device Jul 08 16:02:54 kinda like a SD Jul 08 16:02:56 Install the package kernel-power-settings <--- did it... doesnt work Jul 08 16:02:57 trumee: nah, after you rewcovered the fs on PC, you simply copy the files to freshly formatted eMMC Jul 08 16:03:28 DocScrutinizer05: he could just mkfs.vfat, i doubt there's a lot of important stuff in mydocs Jul 08 16:03:47 kerio: sure. Nevertheless writinf highly random blocks on flash is a bad idea Jul 08 16:04:19 meh Jul 08 16:04:49 evidence: fsck on N900 will take days or weeks, if it ever finishes at all Jul 08 16:05:04 that's because the N900 sucks :P Jul 08 16:05:22 and/or its fsck.vfat sucks Jul 08 16:05:31 esp since fsck needs quite some ram to sort the fecked metadata, and that's a sparse resource on N900 Jul 08 16:05:50 only because you still haven't started the ram upgrade service! Jul 08 16:05:53 so it's going to swap... to eMMC ;-P Jul 08 16:06:07 and it would be immensely better with cssu-thumb! Jul 08 16:06:14 but the man doesn't want to know that :C Jul 08 16:06:23 *want you Jul 08 16:08:21 but yeah, for vfat aka MyDocs you probably could as well do mkfs.vfat Jul 08 16:08:49 for /home however I guess flashing vanilla is your best bet Jul 08 16:10:16 and since flashing vanilla a) kills MyDocs as well, and b) requires flashing combined as well, it's a complete reflash then Jul 08 16:10:59 trumee: you said MyDocs or /Home was defect? Jul 08 16:11:40 aaah vfat partition, so MyDocs Jul 08 16:12:46 I seem to recall one user trying that on-device and it didn't finish even after 10h Jul 08 16:30:44 DocScrutinizer05: mine came out clean. now it is behaving Jul 08 16:31:22 is there any shop in london which can fix the usb port? Jul 08 16:31:52 there is no way to fix it in most cases Jul 08 16:32:12 errr? Jul 08 16:32:14 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 suggests few ways? Jul 08 16:32:22 ~usbfix Jul 08 16:32:22 methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Jul 08 16:32:41 trumee: that's before it happens Jul 08 16:32:46 nope Jul 08 16:33:03 Fixing USB port, before and after it is to late. (All info in one Thread) (See POST #1) Jul 08 16:33:19 jacekowski: i am in the *before* stage Jul 08 16:33:41 my device doesnt charge from the wall adaptor these days, however it charges well from the PC Jul 08 16:34:12 not sure if it is a usb port problem or not Jul 08 16:36:37 with same cable? Jul 08 16:36:49 but it's a worn usb port Jul 08 16:36:51 probably Jul 08 16:36:53 jacekowski: no a different cable Jul 08 16:36:53 you can fix that Jul 08 16:37:02 you will have to replace it Jul 08 16:37:10 jacekowski: replace what? Jul 08 16:37:14 socket Jul 08 16:37:26 jacekowski: usb male socket on the cable? Jul 08 16:37:57 no Jul 08 16:37:58 on the phone Jul 08 16:38:32 ok, thats much more work Jul 08 16:38:54 i was hoping some shop could do that for me Jul 08 16:39:35 trumee: I honestly doubt it's your usb port that's the culprit here Jul 08 16:39:40 it is Jul 08 16:39:54 well, try it with same cable Jul 08 16:39:56 go reinforce your port nevertheless! ;-D Jul 08 16:40:02 and if it works with one and not the other Jul 08 16:40:06 then it's worn usb port Jul 08 16:40:39 funny thing is that yesterday when i was charding it, the led was glowing light red even when the display was 'on' Jul 08 16:41:05 that was when i was charging it in the car (using sygic for maps). Jul 08 16:43:43 when with one receptacle one plug works and the other one not, it's according to logic the plug that's broken, not the receptacle Jul 08 16:45:41 it may be worn socket Jul 08 16:45:50 and beter springs in one plug Jul 08 16:45:53 so that one works Jul 08 16:45:57 the other one not so much Jul 08 16:51:29 is it ok to charge using TomTom wall adaptor marked as 5V/1A Jul 08 16:52:45 TomTom charger has a normal 'A' usb port, hence i can try different cables Jul 08 16:56:01 yes Jul 08 16:58:47 it may lack the mandatory D+- short Jul 08 16:59:04 which may result in charging failing Jul 08 16:59:15 s/may/will/ Jul 08 16:59:15 DocScrutinizer05 meant: which will result in charging failing Jul 08 17:00:35 trumee: cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger Jul 08 17:00:51 1 == charger with D+- short plugged in Jul 08 17:01:44 trumee: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus Jul 08 17:02:03 1 == 5V at USB vbus + detected Jul 08 17:03:42 trumee: yiu plug in your charger that doesn't work to powered down device, when it turn on (LED flashing etc) this means the charger provided 5V Jul 08 17:05:00 when it turns on but doesn't start to charge, odds are Data Lines D+ D- are not shorted. This may mean your USB receptacle is defect, or your charger/cable is defect Jul 08 17:05:41 when your device gets recogniced by PC when plugging it in there, this strongly indicates your D+ D- lines are all ok Jul 08 17:06:26 of course the whole charging problem could also be caused by mere software flaw Jul 08 17:06:45 e.g. when - for whatever reason - bme freaks out Jul 08 17:08:16 trumee: I *might* think of bme not working properly when MyDocs is corrupt, but working flawlessly with MyDocs exposed via USB mass storage mode to PC and thus not even mounted on N900 Jul 08 17:09:38 trumee: LED glowing red while charging points in general direction of a fsckdup battery though, which as well might cause troubles with FASTcharger but still may work with a humble 500mA charging current from PC Jul 08 17:10:17 DocScrutinizer05: crap, the charger itself doesnt work! Jul 08 17:10:29 thought as much Jul 08 17:11:16 DocScrutinizer05: charger itself is broken, hadnt used in a long time. well! Jul 08 17:11:36 well, I got one borked Nokia fastcharger here as well Jul 08 17:11:51 seems they are dirt cheap chinese make Jul 08 17:12:06 i have original charger... works for me Jul 08 17:12:06 :p Jul 08 17:12:29 dhbiker: yep, 3 out of 4 work for me as well Jul 08 17:12:30 OT:i have tomtom one v3 kicking around whose internal drive has screwed up. dont know what to do with it. it boots up fine, but fails when accessing the hdd. Jul 08 17:12:39 one out of four broke though Jul 08 17:12:45 oh ? Jul 08 17:12:47 strange Jul 08 17:13:20 my orginal charger developed necking around the usb port. guess it couldnt take too much 'bending' in bed. Jul 08 17:14:58 trumee: general statement about chargers: everything with 5V and 1A or better is fine, if it has a micro-b plug and D+ D- shorted Jul 08 17:15:20 DocScrutinizer05: cheers Jul 08 17:15:25 yw Jul 08 17:15:38 never broke usb port on my device. no problem here. i wish my Specialized demo was so strong :/ Jul 08 17:32:00 DocScrutinizer05: iirc my old usb port initially presented the same behaviour Jul 08 17:32:14 wallcharger stopped working, usb cable worked Jul 08 17:32:18 then usb cable stopped working Jul 08 17:32:23 and then sadness Jul 08 17:32:28 and then another n900 ^_^ Jul 08 17:35:58 Still on my first n900 :D Jul 08 17:36:17 3rd here Jul 08 17:36:23 but the second is in my drawer Jul 08 17:36:27 just a broken lens glass Jul 08 17:36:27 :< Jul 08 17:36:52 1st n900 here :P Jul 08 17:38:36 It's about 1,5 years old. Longest period i did with 1 phone so far Jul 08 17:55:57 useless info: unison on the N900 created errors in my fat partition twice (when copying huge amounts of data) and an fsck did resolve the problem after 3 days or so Jul 08 18:32:22 Meanwhile: NYPD has created a 'wanted' poster for a Harlem couple who film cops conducting stop-and-frisks and post the videos on YouTube  branding them 'professional agitators' who portray cops in a bad light Jul 08 18:32:27 it's a RST38h Jul 08 18:32:28 Lovely. Jul 08 18:32:49 Moo, Stskeeps! Are you on that undead Meego story? Jul 08 18:32:56 Or even onboard at Jolla? =) Jul 08 18:33:03 RST38h: i am all about necrophilia Jul 08 18:33:12 it's mer, though, but sure Jul 08 18:33:12 Ain't we all, yesss... Jul 08 18:33:27 Stskeeps: Does Jolla have any relation to Mer? Jul 08 18:33:45 RST38h: Jolla has been in stealth contributing to Mer for quite a while now and is based on mer Jul 08 18:33:55 Stskeeps: !!! Jul 08 18:34:10 RST38h: so, a good open source citizen Jul 08 18:38:52 hmm, btw how much swap does N9 come configured with by default? Jul 08 18:45:00 hmm, Jul 08 19:03:39 Sicelo, none Jul 08 19:03:48 only 256mb of ramzswap Jul 08 19:04:01 yeah, i just noticed in the wikipedia page now Jul 08 19:04:03 more than enough I suspect Jul 08 19:04:23 given that zeros compress really well Jul 08 19:30:34 Random question. Can I have multiple SIP phones active connected to teh same 'number' ? Jul 08 19:36:50 err, multiple user clients on one regiustrar? sure Jul 08 19:37:19 on my sipgate.de number there are 5 and more clients at times Jul 08 19:37:53 nasty: all but the one client where I accept the call list any inbound as "missed call" Jul 08 19:37:58 * qwazix_ going mad... Jul 08 19:38:12 I have a Qt function that prints time Jul 08 19:38:35 It always prints 22:07. That is the time I first run the program Jul 08 19:38:59 thanks Jul 08 19:39:07 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jul 08 19:39:11 welcome mate! Jul 08 19:39:12 The madness is that I have rebuilt and reinstalled the whole thing at least 10 times since then Jul 08 19:39:22 My android tablet is doing the 'insufficient storage space' thing. Jul 08 19:39:31 * SpeedEvil remembers optification. Jul 08 19:39:48 * SpeedEvil has no idea why it thinks this - it's got plenty of free space according to df. Jul 08 19:40:16 qwazix_: lol Jul 08 19:41:14 Maybe it's the end of time? 8/7/12 22:07 Jul 08 19:44:43 !!22:07!! qDebug shows the correct time, but on the screen 22:07 Jul 08 19:48:38 oops... Jul 08 19:48:47 i was printing the hour and... Jul 08 19:48:50 month! Jul 08 19:48:55 haha Jul 08 19:49:39 note to self: stop programming after 10 hours straight Jul 08 19:54:39 qwazix_: why? Jul 08 19:54:53 after 24 hours you can enter the matrix Jul 08 19:55:27 FallenWarlock, really? I should try that. Jul 08 19:55:49 I always wanted to stare at code and see GUI :) Jul 08 19:56:53 Eventually, you end up dreaming of cool features that you can't actually implement. ;) Jul 08 19:59:26 vmlemon_, that's already started Jul 08 20:00:01 Also i'm hitting tab on xchat to complete what I'm thinking Jul 08 20:00:06 but it doesn't work Jul 08 20:00:46 As my ISP is retarded - and comedy other factors too boring to go into - my only copy of my SIP passwor is on the n900. Jul 08 20:00:58 Is there a way to get it to display this? Jul 08 20:02:23 qwazix_: wow, I also started that recently :-D Jul 08 20:03:14 SpeedEvil: gconftool -R /|less Jul 08 20:05:13 Thanks! Jul 08 20:05:17 SpeedEvil: or not :-/ Jul 08 20:05:21 ah Jul 08 20:05:26 the encrytion thing? Jul 08 20:06:30 SpeedEvil: less ~user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg Jul 08 20:07:10 Hmm - no password alas. Jul 08 20:07:12 I've just baked a low power screen app for the N900, anyone wanna try? It may drain your battery fast though, don't know yet. Jul 08 20:07:27 qwazix: why do you think it's low power? Jul 08 20:07:34 Oh the irony. Jul 08 20:07:48 indeed again no password Jul 08 20:07:52 because the brightness is set to 2 Jul 08 20:07:58 so maybe password is actually in gconf? Jul 08 20:08:21 qwazix: why would you want that - when there is the screen brightness widget? Jul 08 20:08:22 but maybe that's too much anyway... The 701 has an lcd screen and a low power screen like the n9 Jul 08 20:08:40 so I thought maybe at lowest brightness the drain isn't significant Jul 08 20:08:49 It is. Jul 08 20:09:03 The problem isn't the backlight, it's the CPU being awake, and refreshing the screen. Jul 08 20:09:20 anyway you can still see the time with backlight completely off, thanks to transflective n900 screen Jul 08 20:09:27 Pretty irrelevant Jul 08 20:09:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Jul 08 20:09:40 but it refreshes it once a minute Jul 08 20:10:17 the screen isn Jul 08 20:10:20 sry Jul 08 20:10:23 It refreshes 60 times a second. Jul 08 20:10:50 no it doesn't, I don't keep the gui on, I just write directly to the framebuffer once a minute Jul 08 20:11:08 Idle, with backlight off and screen on, it uses 80mA - this will drain the battery in 15 hours or so. Jul 08 20:11:14 Unfortunately, that's irrelevant. Jul 08 20:11:22 you are writing to the framebuffer once a minute. Jul 08 20:11:39 The display hardware is reading from the framebuffer, and outputting to the LCD 60 times a second. Jul 08 20:11:52 Outputting the entire display image. Jul 08 20:12:15 ok, i'll download batterygraph and check out Jul 08 20:12:34 *sigh* Jul 08 20:12:35 In principle, you might reduce this rate, but this is going to involve at best driver hackery, and deep understanding of the kernel. Jul 08 20:12:59 It's annoying that the LCD can't do framebuffering internally, that would be pretty nice. Jul 08 20:13:11 and no, the LCD controller probably will refuse to sync to massively reduced scan rate Jul 08 20:13:33 - I would guess that at least half the power, perhaps a bit more could be shaved if there was a proper framebuffer on display. Jul 08 20:13:48 I was meaning hacks like frame - pause 1/30s, frame, ... Jul 08 20:14:03 pll won't sync Jul 08 20:14:06 to that Jul 08 20:14:21 Don't know the leadin time. Jul 08 20:14:57 at very least you need in-depth understanding of the LCD controller setup Jul 08 20:15:06 to make anything like that work Jul 08 20:15:07 qwazix: Thanks for the effort though :/ Jul 08 20:15:38 hehe, I'm just unlucky today... Jul 08 20:18:06 * SpeedEvil needs to properly understand DSI. Jul 08 20:18:08 CSI too. Jul 08 20:19:47 hm? Jul 08 20:20:18 The modern 'narrow' busses for cameras/displays. Jul 08 20:20:23 aaah Jul 08 20:20:29 That are not simple lvds. Jul 08 20:20:45 But something similar (in some ways) to USB. Jul 08 20:20:53 maybe something similar to HSI Jul 08 20:20:56 In that it's a packetised interface with turnaround Jul 08 20:21:57 for HSI you have a hard time to find proper specs, even when you google for mipi-hsi Jul 08 20:22:09 no idea about CSI Jul 08 20:24:15 http://www.mipi.org/specifications/camera-interface Jul 08 20:24:22 this one? Jul 08 20:24:40 yes Jul 08 20:26:27 seems related to both HSI and CPI Jul 08 20:27:17 and both probably come accompanied by CCI Jul 08 20:28:32 Is there an x-term command to check current power consumption? Jul 08 20:29:08 yes Jul 08 20:29:53 tnx Jul 08 20:30:40 crime scene investigation Jul 08 20:30:41 DocScrutinizer: there is an option seemingly to drop one of the channels to low speed - for config. And then to do the config interleaved - with none of the dedicated slow interface at all. Jul 08 20:30:47 Assuming CCI is that Jul 08 20:30:51 * SpeedEvil is not fully awake Jul 08 20:30:58 qwazix_: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter/bq-script Jul 08 20:31:25 thanks, will report back in a while Jul 08 20:33:57 Can I disable stupid wrapping of lines in nano or is it a busybox "feature"? Jul 08 20:34:13 nano -w? Jul 08 20:34:27 (iirc) Jul 08 20:34:36 joga, thanks Jul 08 20:34:59 I'd install vim anyway ;) Jul 08 20:35:01 joga, that was it Jul 08 20:35:01 qwazix_: or this one: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Jul 08 20:35:29 It doesn't wrap by default in ubuntu nor harmattan, so I thought it was a bug Jul 08 20:38:09 years ago I think both pico and nano did that by default and I never understood why on earth they used that default, but was so long ago can't be sure anymore Jul 08 20:38:48 DocScrutinizer05, it keeps complaining fro i2cget, though I have it Jul 08 20:38:58 check path Jul 08 20:38:59 s/fro/for Jul 08 20:39:26 it's in the path, the script tries to ./i2cget, moved the script to /usr/bin but still Jul 08 20:39:45 which script? Jul 08 20:39:54 hooraaay, thumb-compiled microb-engine WORKS Jul 08 20:40:00 the first one you pointed me at Jul 08 20:40:02 :P Jul 08 20:40:34 qwazix_: well "." is not the dir the script is in, it's your PWD Jul 08 20:40:38 CWD Jul 08 20:41:02 which is quite unfortunate to write a script like that Jul 08 20:42:01 DocScrutinizer, puzzled, I can run i2cget from anywhere Jul 08 20:42:56 yes, but not ./i2cget Jul 08 20:43:15 ok got it, cd'ed to /usr/sbin and it fired Jul 08 20:43:17 qwazix_: the script assumes you downloaded the tarball Jul 08 20:43:28 you can run ./i2cget only after you cd'ed into the dir where i2cget lives Jul 08 20:43:43 yep Jul 08 20:43:56 you should fix that in original script Jul 08 20:44:00 it's a bug Jul 08 20:44:03 clearly Jul 08 20:44:43 i tried replacing Jul 08 20:44:44 if [ ! -e ./i2cget ] ; then Jul 08 20:44:46 with Jul 08 20:44:50 if [ ! -e i2cget ] ; then Jul 08 20:44:53 either a script is using FQN to point to the exewcutables it wants to run, or it relies on $PATH Jul 08 20:45:07 but it din't work and I am a complete noob with shell scripting Jul 08 20:45:23 well, it probably *should* work Jul 08 20:45:46 but better replace it by the output of `which i2cget` Jul 08 20:46:01 like /usr/local/sbin/i2cget Jul 08 20:46:01 let me try Jul 08 20:48:54 probably you're better off with 'my' script in the end ;-) Jul 08 20:49:17 (though it also has no FQN for i2cdump) Jul 08 20:50:03 (and it even needs bash, OMFG) Jul 08 20:50:04 I hate sh scripting, i'll run it from sbin. Let somebody else tackle it, which seems to always return true Jul 08 20:50:35 qwazix_: you got bash installed? Jul 08 20:51:23 no but I can install it Jul 08 20:51:38 is the Average Current the value I should be looking at? Jul 08 20:51:49 freemangordon: freed ram? Jul 08 20:52:35 kerio: how much? NFC, but the difference in binaries is about 7-8 MB Jul 08 20:53:45 well, saved rootfs space is not *that* important Jul 08 20:54:15 kerio: you can check your resident processes, esp browserd Jul 08 20:59:01 yep, I can confirm that just turning the screen on consumes about 80mA Jul 08 20:59:07 :/ Jul 08 20:59:07 bummer... Jul 08 20:59:24 You could flash out a time in morse on the LED. Jul 08 20:59:27 I can flash the time on the screen once per second Jul 08 20:59:33 Perhaps, yes. Jul 08 20:59:47 Doing that may actually be sane - if you can get back to sleep fast enough Jul 08 21:00:12 I suspect you may have trouble getting below ~30mA doing that. Jul 08 21:00:20 But that's still ~30h or so. Jul 08 21:01:21 actually the backlight is not a problem, uses very little power in lowest setting Jul 08 21:01:52 The top backlight setting should be avoided. Jul 08 21:02:05 But even a quarter on isn't a noticable power draw Jul 08 21:03:05 hi n900 doesnt work with my local dns. I few topics about it but no real solution.. can u help me? Jul 08 21:03:16 How have you set the local DNS? Jul 08 21:03:23 yep Jul 08 21:03:36 how costly is it to poll the accelerometer? Jul 08 21:03:39 its in /var/run/resolv... Jul 08 21:04:28 I'm thinking to have the screen show the time for a few seconds when the device is moved, and the proximity sensor is not covered Jul 08 21:05:13 qwazix: It actually has an interrupt mode. Jul 08 21:05:30 qwazix: you can set thresholds at which it will interrupt - in hardware - and then go to sleep Jul 08 21:06:50 that's cool, I'll check it out -- or I'll check out fcam-examples for the N9 Jul 08 21:06:56 don't know yet Jul 08 21:07:23 SpeedEvil: dns works for all my other computers.. this problem exist only on n900 Jul 08 21:09:20 qwazix: Unfortunately, the software stack does not support this. Jul 08 21:09:35 Juozapas: how are you setting the DNS? Jul 08 21:13:51 SpeedEvil, this? meaning the interrupts you mentioned earlier? Jul 08 21:14:16 qwazix: yes Jul 08 21:14:37 SpeedEvil: it gets it by dhcp Jul 08 21:17:15 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer Jul 08 21:17:21 afk Jul 08 21:18:50 Juozapas: local dns .. so what is it N900 can't resolve? is it hosts on your network, or everything, including Internet? Jul 08 21:24:12 Sicelo: n900 resolvs it (at least it's in resolv.conf.wlan) but nslookup some-local-hostname doesnt work Jul 08 21:36:17 DocScrutinizer, I think I saw that in the press release. Jul 08 21:37:46 GeneralAntilles: :-D Jul 08 21:38:03 there's been any press release? Jul 08 21:39:06 DocScrutinizer, yes, let me find it. Jul 08 21:39:07 No website sucks. Jul 08 21:39:31 http://nokiainnovation.com/2012/07/first-official-jolla-press-release/ Jul 08 21:39:33 twitter sucks Jul 08 21:39:41 DocScrutinizer05, ah "revealed this year". Jul 08 21:39:46 My reading comprehension needs help. Jul 08 21:40:20 yay, better! I already thought they are beyond the stage where hw bugs could get fixed Jul 08 21:42:40 wouldn't like to see another hostmode desaster Jul 08 21:48:50 Juozapas: can the N900 evn reach the dns server? Jul 08 21:49:28 * SpeedEvil wonders where the Jolla fundin is coming from. Jul 08 21:49:59 good question SpeedEvil :\ Jul 08 21:50:07 ^g Jul 08 22:02:31 Sicelo: yes, at least i can ping to it Jul 08 22:28:55 Anybody got an executive summary of the PR1.3 update improvements? Jul 08 22:29:44 well, we'll not get to know who's the venture capital behind jolla. I already asked and appreciated the answer there actually ARE sponsors anyway Jul 08 22:30:04 GeneralAntilles: err, ECHAN? Jul 08 22:30:20 Yeah, probably Jul 08 22:30:34 But this one is closer to where my eyes happen to be looking right now Jul 08 22:30:36 and I'm tired. Jul 08 22:30:42 hehe Jul 08 22:31:31 so let me answer: as far as I know there's jusr a community supported listing, and a fuzzy statement about "1000 fixes" Jul 08 22:32:02 rather "1000 improvements" Jul 08 22:43:44 Objective-C Overtakes C++ Jul 08 22:53:03 GeneralAntilles, none, they just bumped the version strings Jul 08 22:53:28 Magic! Jul 08 22:54:30 No seriously, I had spotted 4 serious bugs of which 3 were not fixed and the other one I'm not sure yes as it's not always reproducible Jul 08 22:54:40 s/No/Now Jul 08 22:55:26 you can cry Jul 08 22:56:58 * qwazix_ cries Jul 08 22:57:23 see, don't you feel more relaxed as now you released all your angers and issues into tears? Jul 08 22:57:31 it won't fix anything anyways, HA Jul 08 22:58:11 * qwazix_ changed status to bug 3485 (user cries) to WONTFIX Jul 08 22:58:13 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3485 Downloads' "updated" date not updating Jul 08 22:58:36 lol Jul 08 23:01:36 everybody have a good night (ugt) Jul 09 00:38:31 Meanwhile: Internet Explorer Market Share Drops To Almost 15% Jul 09 00:45:19 Gosh - I hadn't heard it had dropped anywhere near that low. Jul 09 00:45:42 just get rid of IE already Jul 09 00:46:31 Can I rearrange the contacts by company name? Jul 09 01:09:18 i guess my question got answered **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:58 2012