**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 13 02:59:59 2012 Jul 13 07:37:21 Hi. Do any of you guys, know how to test dont-fragment bit on the ping command in maemo? Jul 13 07:45:20 kgu: ping in maemo is busybox ping, so quite possible you'll miss the option todo that Jul 13 07:46:07 kgu, one option would be to use iptables to manipulate icmp packets so that they have the flag on Jul 13 07:46:14 can I install another ping? Jul 13 07:46:15 no, I don't have the command off-hand :) Jul 13 07:47:09 there appears to be iputils-ping available, perhaps it can do it Jul 13 07:53:44 iputils-ping did the job, thx! Jul 13 08:20:26 Hi, need a recommended app for alarm/timer/stopwatch Jul 13 08:21:52 LaoLang_cool: there is an alarm in the clock app, works fine (at least for me) Jul 13 08:22:42 StyXman, yes, but it's only for alarm, looking for timer/stopwatch Jul 13 08:26:19 LaoLang_cool: there's a timerginny app orso Jul 13 08:26:40 good app for what you seek Jul 13 08:30:22 Lava_Croft, thanks, will try it Jul 13 08:30:43 oh, I can't find it at http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=timerginny&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same Jul 13 08:31:23 oh, find it, timerjinni ;p Jul 13 08:41:49 yeah, was about to type the correct name Jul 13 08:41:52 :P Jul 13 08:48:41 merlin1991, are you here? Jul 13 08:53:44 Pali: merlin1991 is holiday@greece Jul 13 08:54:07 ok Jul 13 09:24:08 ~seen merlin1991 Jul 13 09:24:16 merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 38m 55s, last said: 'kgu: ping in maemo is busybox ping, so quite possible you'll miss the option todo that '. Jul 13 09:24:30 ooh Jul 13 09:26:12 I guess that means either that even in Greece there are internet cafes or hotspots, or that he's already back Jul 13 09:38:16 MohammadAG: ping Jul 13 10:23:43 Hey, I was wondering that is there a way to connect to facebook as mobile, with n900? Jul 13 10:24:10 I dont want to be -available- 24/7 Jul 13 10:33:36 Asoup: ? Jul 13 10:34:07 Asoup: you mean shown as mobile and not -available-? Jul 13 10:34:07 A picture is worth more than 1000 words Jul 13 10:34:10 http://cdn1.iconfinder.com/data/icons/facebook/mobileicon.png Jul 13 10:34:20 chem|st yes. Jul 13 10:35:07 that is on facebooks side to handle, the mobileapp in facebook vanished some time ago Jul 13 10:35:28 Thought so.. Jul 13 10:35:35 so the maemo app is no more recognized as mobile app Jul 13 10:35:57 any news if its going to be fixed or not? Jul 13 10:36:48 fixed... I doubt it Jul 13 10:37:27 Meh, well thanks anyway :) Jul 13 10:38:36 Asoup: are you using the built in facebook msgr stuff? Jul 13 10:38:51 yes + the widget Jul 13 10:39:07 tried Fmobi but I hated it. Jul 13 10:39:34 couldn't minimize the fmobi and the relogging is pain in the ass Jul 13 10:39:51 ctrl backspace? Jul 13 10:40:12 oh ye, but doesnt fix the relogging Jul 13 10:40:32 I wan't to be connected to FB in one or two clicks Jul 13 10:40:36 not 35 Jul 13 10:40:51 it is actually so unimportant what state you show at facebook that whoever can be bothered I console... Jul 13 10:41:16 Well last night I tried leaving my fbook on my n900 Jul 13 10:41:21 3 friends had told me to go sleep. Jul 13 10:41:27 so.. no. Jul 13 10:41:52 well :-x Jul 13 10:42:13 those problems I would like to trade for mine! Jul 13 10:42:30 5 friends telling you to go sleep? Jul 13 10:42:35 :p Jul 13 10:43:06 people need to learn that we left the industrial era and joined the network/internet era... Jul 13 10:43:40 even my grandma made this step Jul 13 10:43:58 Wheres the problem? Jul 13 10:44:19 and I love to compare people with my grandma cause if even she is able to get it why should a 40year old not? Jul 13 10:45:33 Asoup: you complain about people telling you to go to sleep cause you left your phone logged in... Jul 13 10:46:11 "12:45 Irssi uptime: 71d 23h 15m 35s" is how long I am logged in... Jul 13 10:46:24 IRSSI, so different thing Jul 13 10:46:37 the users of fbook dont understand the uptime! Jul 13 10:46:52 Asoup: nope in the next window is jabber and stuff, means also fb Jul 13 10:47:08 I don't understand FB users Jul 13 10:47:08 thats why I want the Mobile icon to show that I am away, but recieving messages! Jul 13 10:47:40 DocScrutinizer05: reminds me of getting sane people to use jabber and close my account! Jul 13 10:48:04 DocScrutinizer05: and pimp my website Jul 13 10:49:53 ps. How accomplished is the android for n900? Jul 13 10:50:50 Asoup: tough and the pan is warm Jul 13 10:51:23 if you want android buy an android... Jul 13 10:51:24 Like melting butter? Jul 13 10:51:29 yeah thought so. Jul 13 10:51:31 >=( Jul 13 10:51:41 Thats maybe the biggest problem I have with n900 Jul 13 10:51:47 That i cant be "away" on fbook Jul 13 10:51:58 ~facepalm Jul 13 10:51:59 * infobot facepalms at the situation Jul 13 10:52:04 thanks. Jul 13 10:52:09 preciate it. Jul 13 10:52:13 ;) Jul 13 10:52:46 my biggest problem with n900s is "where to get cheap working n900s from" Jul 13 10:54:13 got for 100€ Jul 13 10:54:15 :3 Jul 13 10:57:23 DocScrutinizer05: new n900s on amazon-mp 265eur Jul 13 10:59:58 chem|st: I'm broke atm Jul 13 11:00:02 but thanks Jul 13 11:01:59 chem|st: Holy shit chemist. 71d?? Get some sleep man. Jul 13 11:13:07 vi_: never! Jul 13 11:13:16 DocScrutinizer05: me too :/ Jul 13 11:26:57 hm Jul 13 11:27:08 cleven dosent want to set wlan to monitor mode Jul 13 11:27:09 wth Jul 13 11:27:17 doesnt* Jul 13 11:27:25 what's wrong with doing it all by hand? Jul 13 11:27:41 the aircrack thing ? Jul 13 11:27:55 well yeah aircrack-ng suite via X　terminal Jul 13 11:28:26 gui is quicker :P Jul 13 11:28:44 oh yeah.. if you're lazy and/or multitasking :p Jul 13 11:28:59 the first one.. Jul 13 11:29:01 lazy Jul 13 11:29:03 :P Jul 13 11:29:26 * psycho_oreos imagines someone wardriving with N900 in one hand and the other hand on steering wheel lol Jul 13 11:29:39 xD Jul 13 11:30:12 and no.. reality-wise that'll be a ticket if you do get caught fiddling with `phone' whilst driving.. Jul 13 11:31:00 indeed Jul 13 11:31:01 bad idea Jul 13 11:31:04 wjile driving Jul 13 11:31:08 while* Jul 13 11:31:09 I'd do it by hand to see if you can actually set it to monitor mode Jul 13 11:31:44 it goe Jul 13 11:31:44 s Jul 13 11:31:48 but not in cleven Jul 13 11:31:57 not for some people who either:　1) like to multi-task, 2) can't stop fiddling with other things, 3) needs to `twit' real quick... Jul 13 11:31:59 i also see this Jul 13 11:32:27 chmod: /etc/sudoers.d/cleven.sudoers: No such file or directory Jul 13 11:32:36 i tried to reinstall it Jul 13 11:33:26 hmm.. I'm sure its a few lines (probably only one if anything..) in sudoers file Jul 13 11:33:59 if you tried reinstalling and there's no such file within the package then I suppose it was never included in the first place Jul 13 11:36:57 yeah but why does it say this then Jul 13 11:36:57 x Jul 13 11:36:59 XD Jul 13 11:37:22 say what exactly? Jul 13 11:37:44 no such file or directory Jul 13 11:38:01 the other line is chown: /etc/sudoers.d/cleven.sudoers: No such file or directory Jul 13 11:38:10 did you check to see if the package actually includes such file? Jul 13 11:38:20 not yet Jul 13 11:38:24 i will now Jul 13 11:41:06 cleven experimental works Jul 13 11:41:13 ill stick with this then :P Jul 13 11:41:56 heh Jul 13 11:42:30 yes i know i'm lazy :P Jul 13 11:45:12 well at least your problem is solved :p Jul 13 11:47:40 true :P Jul 13 11:51:53 oh Jul 13 11:52:18 apparently I hit the time when the dpkg GUI checks for updates Jul 13 11:52:29 long time no see, which is just good Jul 13 11:53:57 hm Jul 13 11:54:12 this warez-thread on tmo, why isn't it removed yet? :p Jul 13 11:55:15 is there anyone here who likes psy? Jul 13 11:56:44 hm Jul 13 11:57:05 why can't I just pay via my phone bill through ovi... Jul 13 11:58:07 ask nokia lol Jul 13 12:05:20 FIQ|n900: warez thread? Jul 13 12:09:56 chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81133 that one Jul 13 12:09:56 created over a half year ago lol Jul 13 12:13:30 duh, too late :-/ Jul 13 12:13:58 DocScrutinizer05: want the links? Jul 13 12:14:07 sure ;-) Jul 13 12:14:38 ~wiki warez thread Jul 13 12:14:49 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=warez+thread&go=Go Jul 13 12:26:32 does anyone know where maemo file manager gets its filetype icons from? Jul 13 12:27:00 Also, does anyone else type in the 'unknown' part of captcha just to fuk with the database? Jul 13 12:27:15 ^incorrectly Jul 13 12:47:00 i keep reading on tmo that .mkv is supported on n900,but none of my mkv's are playable on my phone Jul 13 12:50:26 apt-get install mplayer? Jul 13 12:50:44 "supported", he says Jul 13 12:51:54 jargon-: your best bet is mplayer or kmplayer (which is just a gui for mplayer) Jul 13 12:52:09 .mkv is also just a container aiui, what codec actually is inside may differ vasty Jul 13 12:52:18 yes Jul 13 12:52:22 not all codecs may be supported by N900 Jul 13 12:52:41 hm, why doesn't mafw support it? Jul 13 12:52:55 i mean, it's a pretty kickass container Jul 13 12:53:16 it's also not that widely used Jul 13 12:53:37 isn't mafw just a gstreamer wrapper, anyway? Jul 13 12:55:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mkv Jul 13 12:55:26 Lava_Croft: any idea what (k)mplayer battery consumption is like? Jul 13 12:55:34 jargon-: nope :< Jul 13 12:55:41 DocScrutinizer05: how do i find out what the actual codec is? Jul 13 12:55:54 sorry, no idea Jul 13 12:56:05 yeah digsby going opensource :) Wonder if a port to maemo would be possible Jul 13 12:56:32 try handbrake, I heard that name several times now, I'd think a transcoder has also some diagnostic output Jul 13 12:56:52 maybe just trying to play it in mplayer cli shows the actual codec Jul 13 12:56:57 as mplayer loads the file and prints info Jul 13 12:57:11 :nod: Jul 13 12:57:34 and, in case, might tell "no decoder for XY format" Jul 13 12:57:40 yup Jul 13 12:57:51 iirc i had trouble with mkv files before Jul 13 12:57:54 i just quit bothering with em Jul 13 12:59:05 Lava_Croft: i quit mkv too,but i've run out of compatible files to watch. down to just mkv's now :-( Jul 13 12:59:15 :< Jul 13 12:59:45 i bet theres always some nerd who can cough up 1001 reasons why mkv is better than any other container Jul 13 12:59:55 but for me, mkv is just related to 'trouble with playback' Jul 13 13:03:29 ^ Jul 13 13:04:44 Lava_Croft: that's mostly because of codecs inside Jul 13 13:04:49 jacekowski: yeah Jul 13 13:04:59 Lava_Croft: and codes commonly used with mkv are ussualy HD codecs Jul 13 13:05:05 and not so many devices can deal with them Jul 13 13:05:13 im an end user, i just want shit to work:) Jul 13 13:05:18 well, get faster device Jul 13 13:05:31 cheaper is just to avoid mkv files:) Jul 13 13:07:37 if you want HD Jul 13 13:07:42 then you can't really avoid MKV Jul 13 13:15:27 Even the LQ material is in Matroska nowadays. Jul 13 13:37:06 and rightfully so Jul 13 14:45:41 Hello, everyone. I don't know if this is the right channel for this question, but I'm wondering if it's possible to run the Hildon interface on x86. Jul 13 15:03:39 no Jul 13 15:10:42 what about subtitles? Jul 13 15:47:52 nevermind,it's sorted. :-) Jul 13 16:48:18 Woody14619, could You, kindly, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84647&page=11 Jul 13 16:48:51 ...I think that commenting and clearing it is quite important thing to do before today's Council's meeting :) Jul 13 16:49:49 BTW, I would like to remind everyone interested, that Council meetings - open for participation of any interested Community member - as held every Friday on 18 UTC Jul 13 16:49:49 = 1 hour and 10 minute from now Jul 13 16:50:58 We are honored and pleased, everytime Community members show up to chat with us (or bash us a little ;) ) Jul 13 17:02:04 hi DocScrutinizer Jul 13 17:04:22 hi jean_brat . sorry still busy at work Jul 13 17:05:06 just 1 question Jul 13 17:05:07 hi rcg Jul 13 17:05:26 http://shopping.rediff.com/product/nokia-ca-157-cable--pen-drive-to-nokia-n8-mobile/10754911 Jul 13 17:05:40 this can be used instead of F & F converter? Jul 13 17:05:52 don know its N8 cable Jul 13 17:06:06 jean_brat: yah, but, u will have to file the sides off Jul 13 17:06:11 i need your Go, before i order this Jul 13 17:06:38 micro usb pins at the bottom? Jul 13 17:06:48 notches* you mean? Jul 13 17:07:19 N8 cable is rectangular at device end, so you will need to file the 'top' sides to be trapezoid like your CA-101 Jul 13 17:07:55 ohh ok Jul 13 17:08:23 otherwise it is reported to work. i have the F-F adapater, and a diy Y-cable for those times i need external power Jul 13 17:08:51 Sicelo: hi Jul 13 17:12:38 rcg: i assume you're in SA :) Jul 13 17:12:43 mind a pm? Jul 13 17:14:23 Sicelo: i am Jul 13 17:14:29 sure, go on Jul 13 17:15:25 kewl. i'm in Swaziland Jul 13 17:16:06 well, am leaving tomorrow.. was just here for a conference Jul 13 17:16:33 "here" being south africa ;) Jul 13 17:22:10 jean_brat: i've been told it's really not worth filing a N8 adapter, considering that a F-F costs like two bucks Jul 13 17:22:25 if you really want to buy something, buy the galaxy s2 adapter, the plug should fit in the n900 Jul 13 17:24:22 kerio, problem is i find this cable cheaper then F 2 F converter.. since its un conventional in my place. its available at a very premium price Jul 13 17:24:38 these cables i will get for 3$ Jul 13 17:24:48 jean_brat: the n900 microusb receptable is really something you don't want to dick around with, though Jul 13 17:24:55 considering it's stupidly frail Jul 13 17:25:58 buy the samsung galaxy s2 one Jul 13 17:28:05 jean_brat: if you really can't source this, you could try the usb port's from otherboard trick. not the best soultion, but helps if you have no other option Jul 13 17:28:44 hmm ok Jul 13 17:28:58 http://shopping.rediff.com/product/usb-otg-adapter-pen-drive-cable-samsung-galaxy-s2/11126114 this one looks fine Jul 13 17:29:32 2.80€, sounds about right Jul 13 17:29:48 oh, hey, what do you know Jul 13 17:29:52 compatible with nokia n900/n810 Jul 13 17:31:00 cool..i will order this one Jul 13 17:31:19 so this is flawless according to you? Jul 13 17:31:55 there's a world between "flawless" and that cable Jul 13 17:31:59 but it should work, yes Jul 13 17:32:37 lol ok Jul 13 17:34:06 flawless would be a tiny adapter that includes a 1-port usb hub and has a port for the wallcharger that provides .5A to the usb port and .5A to the n900 Jul 13 17:34:19 or, hell Jul 13 17:34:22 a 2-port usb hub Jul 13 18:01:45 regular micro_usb goes fine with N8 is it? without any filing? Jul 13 18:02:26 yes Jul 13 18:02:53 might not feel tight though Jul 13 18:03:02 hmm ok Jul 13 18:03:24 and OTG will probably not work Jul 13 18:04:04 OTG ? Jul 13 18:04:58 N8 equivalent of host-mode Jul 13 18:05:18 OTG needs a grounded pin, i think Jul 13 18:05:50 which is not present? Jul 13 18:06:13 \_o_/ Jul 13 18:06:20 why do you want to use a n8 anyway? Jul 13 18:22:45 jean_brat: (usb hostmode adapter) a nice DIY is: get a *cheap* usb 4 port hub, preferably with micro-usb upstream receptacle. Cut one of the downstrem ports (A-receptacle) datalines, cut upstream port, solder upstrem traces to chip to the isolated downstrem A port, Jul 13 18:23:14 mark that port as "to N900" Jul 13 18:24:50 make sure VBUS (and GND ;D ) are common to all FOUR A receptacles and to hip trace to cut upstream port Jul 13 18:28:07 on such a mod-o-fied usb hub you can coonect one host (N900) and 3 peripherals, all with pretty standard A-M->(micro)B-M cables Jul 13 18:28:50 otherwise listen to other users here, seems they were mostly right Jul 13 18:35:06 http://www.ebay.in/itm/Belkin-USB-4-Port-Powered-Desktop-Hub-F4U040sa-3yrwty-/261063024655?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3cc891a00f Jul 13 18:35:09 i have this Jul 13 18:35:37 and i ordered s2 cable with female connector to micro usb cable Jul 13 18:36:11 this hub has micro usb port on the right also a power adopter pin Jul 13 18:36:30 and a cable micro usb male to USB male Jul 13 18:37:38 so what i have in mind is .. n900 -> s2 cable -> USB male cable to micro usb male-> to hub Jul 13 18:38:13 and peripherals to other ports of the hub Jul 13 18:39:38 DocScrutinizer, is this synthesise ? Jul 13 18:47:06 sounds correct Jul 13 18:50:43 ~botsnack Jul 13 18:50:43 DocScrutinizer51: thanks Jul 13 18:52:30 cool.. Thanks DocScrutinizer Jul 13 19:05:24 DocScrutinizer, few days ago i told you about the n900 keypad issue? Jul 13 19:05:39 some keys are not working on my keyboard? Jul 13 19:05:44 yep Jul 13 19:06:00 UCOL4 iirc Jul 13 19:06:16 whats that? Jul 13 19:06:17 QROW4? Jul 13 19:06:55 yes it narrow down to some random keys.. its got nothing to do with row 4 Jul 13 19:07:12 ooh, good Jul 13 19:09:49 means it's not (necessarily) twl4030 GAIA chip Jul 13 19:10:27 could even be software then Jul 13 19:10:51 or actually domesheet Jul 13 19:11:51 a y x c e c t k o: a: including row 4 elements Jul 13 19:14:07 i actually try to shift the domesheet and try to press the failing buttons Jul 13 19:14:17 but still no go Jul 13 19:14:31 so its not the domesheet i feel Jul 13 19:15:29 btw.. i found a diagram on an arabic site Jul 13 19:15:32 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-goH4sNWJUpA/Ts3YO3YfKUI/AAAAAAAABkk/VRt8ZSSQi6U/s1600/NOKIA+N900+KEYPAD.jpg Jul 13 19:15:56 if you could explain where the GPIO stuff you were talking about? Jul 13 19:16:44 btw what are the dotts on 1st row 3rd collumn.. about the key patch? Jul 13 19:17:20 this has to be in contact with dome sheet? Jul 13 19:22:20 am off now . plz leave your reply Jul 13 19:22:22 good night Jul 13 19:22:33 or have a good day Jul 13 19:22:48 eh, there doesn't seem to be a non-pita way to make microb talk with socks proxies, right? Jul 13 19:49:00 NIN101: microb uses icd, doesn't it Jul 13 19:49:17 jean_brat: please check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Jul 13 19:49:51 I am trying to set some gconf value now... Jul 13 19:53:10 NIN101: how would you accomplish it for firefox? Jul 13 19:53:54 going into the options, but there isn't anything. about:config isn't convinient. Some plugins I usually use don't work on microb. So... Jul 13 19:55:11 umm Jul 13 20:07:49 DocScrutinizer, on one of my newly aquired N900's "z" key is ove3r-reactive - i.e. it registers, on even slightiest touch Jul 13 20:08:13 doesnt wait for actual clicking sound (which happens, if I press like normal) Jul 13 20:08:42 I'm perfectly sure that it doesn't register "z" when I press ny other button, but due to being so over-reactive, it's very hard to write "a" without a glance touch on z Jul 13 20:08:53 what could produce such outcome? Jul 13 20:09:23 I'm sure it's nothing about chip. It just need touching with feather to register "z" pressed :P Jul 13 20:11:56 worn domesheet Jul 13 20:11:57 GeneralAntilles, ping Jul 13 20:12:01 huh? Jul 13 20:12:11 this white thing on PCB? Jul 13 20:12:15 yep Jul 13 20:12:45 damn, I wonder if there are any chance to tear it and fix, or need to buy new overpriced one Jul 13 20:12:54 and take PITA to replace it Jul 13 20:13:04 indeed a PITA Jul 13 20:13:40 some user claimed to have *ironed* his crumpled domesheet and fixed it that way. Hard to believe Jul 13 20:13:41 any instructables about replacing, anywhere? Jul 13 20:13:52 lol, ironed?! Jul 13 20:14:09 could as good try hammering Jul 13 20:14:10 Heat applied to it could in fact fix it. Much like one can use heat to pop a dent in a car pannel. Jul 13 20:14:36 Usually it's the transistion (cold/hot/cold) that causes it. Makes the metal want to return to it's cast form. Jul 13 20:14:47 anyway, it will need close inspection to decide what to do about it Jul 13 20:15:10 i.e. cutting through white thing? Or taking it apart somehow? Jul 13 20:15:22 it's sticky-attached Jul 13 20:15:46 sticky as in easidly-removable, or sticky as it cant-unstick-it-without-tearing-to-pieces? Jul 13 20:15:52 you probably can peel off *carefully* Jul 13 20:16:10 thanks godness z is close to beginning Jul 13 20:16:22 heat will help, as usual with sticky tape Jul 13 20:16:37 well, nothing to lose when trying to heat via soldering iron, then stick ice to it :) Jul 13 20:16:44 moderate heat Jul 13 20:16:45 after removing white thing Jul 13 20:16:59 yea. If not repairable, domesheet is to be trashed anyway Jul 13 20:17:30 never tried to remove anything deeper than this white sticker Jul 13 20:17:39 I expect some conductive pad "inside" dome of 'z' came off Jul 13 20:18:29 nfc about actual build of domesheet "dark side" though, as I never removed any Jul 13 20:18:51 hm, I'll investigate it carefuly, and report back Jul 13 20:19:15 don't bend it too hard, it might deform Jul 13 20:19:23 Despite intensive work on DIY CNC machine (it's working, just tuning it up for precision) I'm going to have *much* more free time now :) Jul 13 20:19:34 and less grief :P Jul 13 20:19:51 will try... Jul 13 20:37:09 why does swap fill up with shit, over time? Jul 13 20:38:59 it doesn't, it just get fragmented Jul 13 20:39:40 are you talking abotu device getting slower and sdlower Jul 13 20:39:49 or the "Swap" value in top and whatever never going down? Jul 13 20:41:05 ShadowJK, nice to see You. Some time ago, You told me about experiments with higher charging current, and risk of overheating. OTOH, DocScrutinizer is sure, that charging chip have thermal security, so there is no way to fry anything by messing via software Jul 13 20:41:11 any comments, etc? I would like to be sure before trying to mess myself ;) Jul 13 20:41:38 I didn't like the entire device getting warm Jul 13 20:42:27 same here Jul 13 20:42:55 the question is, when charging chip cut it off. If at 90 C degrees, it isn't fun anyway Jul 13 20:43:26 it's related to work currently done on replacing BME (we're almost ready to throw it out for good :) ) Jul 13 20:43:41 we as Community, no me as writing this :P Jul 13 20:44:10 Also the datasheet for the likely cell inside bl-5j specifies 0.7C charging current, or about 950mA, which is what bme does Jul 13 20:44:38 thats not the problem in dual-cell setup. I'm worried about chip itself Jul 13 20:45:09 the chip is rugged solid Jul 13 20:46:21 After the cellmo vanishing syndromes I'm not that keen on generating lots of extra heat inside N900 :P Jul 13 20:50:36 ShadowJK, swap-related question: Jul 13 20:51:05 someone got idea of making two swaps on microSD, and instead ofg disabling and enabling them, he think about just enabling 2nd with higher priority... Jul 13 20:51:31 Then, when reswap.stat report hitting swap size limit, just giving higher priority to first one... Jul 13 20:51:41 well, it's going to still be fragmented, yep? Jul 13 20:52:00 I'm thinking about implementing it in a way that doesn't introduce waiting time due to data being moved between swaps Jul 13 20:52:30 maybe enabling 2nd with higher priority, adn disabling, then enabling again (with lower priority) 1st one, after some time (so it should have low amkmount of data on it) Jul 13 20:52:31 ShadowJK: actually the heat generated by bq24150 should be not that much, regardless of charging current. It's a step down converter Jul 13 20:52:48 so it's "refreshed" and ready for getting higfher priority, after 2nd swap hits limit... and so goes on? Jul 13 20:53:16 DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK tried with just 1050 and temperature change was quite high, as compared to 950 (mA) Jul 13 20:53:17 most heat probably generated in cell itself Jul 13 20:53:19 why so? Jul 13 20:54:10 ok, I'm eager to try charging with 1200 mA on my dual-cell setting, it should be only 600 mA per cell. Of course, I'll monitor charging chip's reported temperature, closely Jul 13 20:54:18 and cut it out on any sign of something bad happening Jul 13 20:54:22 Off for a bit... Jul 13 20:54:25 what should I edit in charge.sh? Jul 13 20:54:56 Estel_, yeah I used to do that on N8x0, which has different swap algorithm of course, but also on N900 it seems that it doesn't cut off all writes from the lower priority swap completely, which is sort of equivalent to fragmentation Jul 13 20:54:58 Estel_: no need to monitor temperature of chip, it shuts down when temp is too high Jul 13 20:55:44 Estel_, at one point I had a script which created 64 swapfiles, and constantly rotated them.. each swapfile being small, so swapoff on it being fast.. didn't really work that well Jul 13 20:57:59 64 :-o Jul 13 20:58:25 might've been 128, I forget Jul 13 20:58:27 :P Jul 13 20:58:57 thanks for answer, ShadowJK... BTW, those 64 or 128 swapfiles sounds nice :D Jul 13 20:59:18 no, scary Jul 13 20:59:40 and for charge.sh? Any easy way to boost all current to 1.5 of their normal value, without destrying integrity and sensibility of charging script? Jul 13 21:00:22 considering that I have 2 equal cells of BL-5J batteries, each current multiplied by 1,5 should be nothing it couldn't handle Jul 13 21:00:47 sec Jul 13 21:00:49 and would help with charging time on 3000 mAh capacity a LOT. Of course, if temp doesn't go so high as reported by ShadowJK Jul 13 21:00:51 there's exactly one location to change value for current Jul 13 21:00:54 thanks in advance Jul 13 21:01:17 # 7-1250 6-1150 5-1050 4-950 3-850 2-750 1-650 0-550 Jul 13 21:01:17 # 7-400 6-350 5-300 4-250 3-200 2-150 1-100 0-50 Jul 13 21:01:17 i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x42; Jul 13 21:01:25 yup Jul 13 21:01:42 (and due to me being working on 6800 mAh battery for N900 - using 3400 mAh 18650 cells from phillips - it's getting more and more important, to experiment with higher charging currents :P) Jul 13 21:01:43 so the 0x42 is 4 2, 4 = 950, 2 = 150. For power kernel 0x40 is more appropriate. Jul 13 21:02:09 or 71 for full rate charge and double battery Jul 13 21:02:17 though ShadowJK's notation puzzles the living shit outa me ;-p Jul 13 21:02:37 ough. Will try to parse that, slowly :P Jul 13 21:02:49 0x71 for powerkernel, 1.2A rate Jul 13 21:03:26 there was a bug somewhere else in the script wrt pk too, i forget Jul 13 21:03:35 noted, will compare it to charging script content, as I like to atleast understand what I'm changing ;) Jul 13 21:03:43 hm Jul 13 21:04:00 oh the status codes are different Jul 13 21:04:16 I think the comparison for full should include a check for A0 Jul 13 21:04:19 iirc Jul 13 21:04:39