**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 19 02:59:59 2012 Jul 19 05:17:59 I was ssh'ing and suddenly got "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" notification, after a while I could dismiss it without it appearing again, but never had that happen before Jul 19 05:19:00 does it do something particular when that happens? Jul 19 05:51:21 joga: it does exactly what it says on a tin Jul 19 05:51:42 joga: it stops a lot of stuff when memory is low Jul 19 05:52:50 joga: but that's flash memory not ram memory Jul 19 05:52:59 oh Jul 19 05:53:12 as in rootfs Jul 19 05:53:21 if that runs down to 0 Jul 19 05:53:27 you are going to end up with bootloop Jul 19 05:53:27 hmm, I have about 33M there Jul 19 05:53:37 not sure why it would have filled it just now Jul 19 07:20:11 please all SB users stay tuned for Pali's mail to community/devel ML, about annoying bug in SB config Jul 19 07:21:26 for now you could do ~# cat /scratchbox/users/*/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.environment Jul 19 07:21:38 and see if there's thumb in there Jul 19 07:36:10 jacekowski: (it stops a lot of stuff when memory is low. joga: but that's flash memory not ram memory) err nope Jul 19 07:36:39 "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" notification is clearly related to RAM shortage Jul 19 07:36:47 (incl swap) Jul 19 07:36:50 sounds like it Jul 19 07:37:44 I added a couple widgets lately (oculo and sticky notes), maybe that contributed Jul 19 07:37:59 (well, a week or two ago actually) Jul 19 07:38:02 hildon is stopping and freeing several preloaded processes like brwoserd, modest, dialer whatnot Jul 19 07:38:17 ok Jul 19 07:38:37 a simple htop should tell who's eating your RAM Jul 19 07:39:12 btw those stopped processes also get restarted once RAM situation is less critical Jul 19 07:40:59 xorg and browserd are at the top currently, I couldn't look into it when I got the notification Jul 19 07:42:16 maybe you did some 'silly' stuff on ssh? Jul 19 07:42:32 no, I was just ircing :) Jul 19 07:42:39 like piping enormous amounts of data? Jul 19 07:42:43 nah Jul 19 07:43:36 I think I'll remove qtlockscreen, it takes a few megs and seemed to bug out more than be useful Jul 19 07:43:44 had to try it :) Jul 19 07:54:54 what is the last version of meamo? Jul 19 08:02:17 pr1.3.1 official Jul 19 08:02:50 though: Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 Jul 19 08:02:55 CSSU Jul 19 08:04:22 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1 is of yesterday Jul 19 08:04:33 :-) Jul 19 08:05:31 so pretty sure it's the latest though not last version of maemo ;-) Jul 19 08:06:56 oh, or maybe you meant fremantle/maemo5 which definitely is the last maemo flavour Jul 19 08:07:10 some call harmattan maemo6 Jul 19 08:07:58 but officially that's meego harmattan (N9) Jul 19 08:11:54 what is different between COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ? Jul 19 08:26:58 mintux, combined is maemo 5 image, emmc is image for emmc (which only clean MyDocs) Jul 19 08:27:21 if you want to flash maemo, just use combined image Jul 19 08:27:35 emmc is usefull only for cleaning MyDocs Jul 19 08:32:42 ~flashing Jul 19 08:32:42 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 19 09:33:01 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/19/java_java_everywhere/ Jul 19 11:08:54 hi Jul 19 11:29:31 pali: ping Jul 19 11:29:40 jonwil, pong Jul 19 11:30:18 anything further on the battery temperature stuff? Jul 19 11:31:33 jonwil, I have bad news Jul 19 11:31:41 which is? Jul 19 11:32:23 I asked nokia devs and he told: he does not remember math formula but it depends on calibration data Jul 19 11:32:37 ok Jul 19 11:32:38 from CAL partition stored at factory Jul 19 11:33:07 so I think reading twl madc temeprature from adcin0 is not possible... Jul 19 11:33:16 probably some tuning done based on the value the thermistor gives vs some existing calibrated value Jul 19 11:33:25 that is an external something at a known temprature Jul 19 11:34:42 DocScrutinizer, see ^^^^ Jul 19 11:34:52 Actually, if we can find where in the CAL it comes from, it might make it slightly easier to reverse engineer the BME code Jul 19 11:35:20 the bad news of course is that if it comes from the CAL, we cant just use a lookup table Jul 19 11:36:35 jonwil, look at calvaria code Jul 19 11:36:45 it parse CAL partition and also show BME data Jul 19 11:36:54 but BME data are binary hexdump Jul 19 11:37:09 no idea what from that is data for temperature Jul 19 11:37:34 I think the best will be stop looking at twlmadc and using temperature from bq27200 chip Jul 19 11:37:48 it will not be temperature of battery but temperature of chip Jul 19 11:38:22 but better then something which depends on undocumented CAL and madc... Jul 19 11:38:26 yeah Jul 19 11:44:45 only things that care about BME temp are module-nokia-voice from PA, hald-addon-bme and libthermalobject_surface for dsme Jul 19 11:45:30 not sure exactly who is reading temp from hald-addon-bme if any Jul 19 11:51:17 I have no idea how sensitive the users of BME temp readings are to the actual temprature or whether they just need some suitable value Jul 19 11:55:56 jonwil, I will write email to that (now past) nokia dev if he did not remeber something... Jul 19 11:58:18 ok Jul 19 12:10:53 TabletEvil: boooooooo Jul 19 12:10:55 go away Jul 19 12:11:05 your device is bad and you should feel bad Jul 19 12:12:40 I'm trying to find out how to use Bluetooth for mobile net on it. Jul 19 12:12:48 With n900 Jul 19 12:13:05 SpeedEvil: do you want to use PAN? it's harder Jul 19 12:13:08 Sharing files works, but... Jul 19 12:13:12 otherwise, bluetooth DUN will work fine Jul 19 12:13:21 you have to install the package for it, on the n900 Jul 19 12:13:27 and then use it as a bluetooth gprs modem Jul 19 12:13:45 Not seen that option on jellybean. Jul 19 12:14:11 \_o_/ Jul 19 12:14:29 Currently trying to work out pogo pins and stuff. Jul 19 12:16:01 And if the RAM/Rom can be upgraded. Jul 19 12:21:10 hm, does anyone know if the five brightness levels of the settings menu and/or the status menu applet can be changed? Jul 19 12:22:55 kerio, yes Jul 19 12:23:14 cool, how? Jul 19 12:23:17 writing directly to /sys/class/backlight/.... Jul 19 12:23:21 as root Jul 19 12:23:22 i disabled the light sensor, and now i have less granularity than i'd like Jul 19 12:23:24 ¬.¬ Jul 19 12:23:31 i wanted to use the cute lil' applet Jul 19 12:24:13 echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness Jul 19 12:24:16 echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness Jul 19 12:24:27 you can adjust value between 0 - 255 Jul 19 12:24:37 you need to run this as root! Jul 19 12:26:41 jonwil: Pali: strace bme (and dsme? and libcal?), check what data chunk it reads from there at startup Jul 19 12:27:06 we know how to read the BME blob from the CAL Jul 19 12:27:07 create a shellscript job to grep that chunk from /dev/mtd Jul 19 12:27:11 which BME does Jul 19 12:27:23 what we dont know is the layout of that CAL blob Jul 19 12:27:26 BME reads it all at once Jul 19 12:27:33 make 50 users run that script and post their results Jul 19 12:27:36 DocScrutinizer05, I think better solution is really to use temp value from bq chip Jul 19 12:27:50 Pali: bq temp is bogus Jul 19 12:28:16 DocScrutinizer05, math formula is unknown.... it depends on data from cal Jul 19 12:28:25 yep Jul 19 12:28:40 if we got value from cal how get that math formula?? Jul 19 12:28:47 but I expect to see very little variation on CAL for thermistor calibration Jul 19 12:29:05 there might be no variance for thermistor Jul 19 12:29:08 do you disassemble bme code and find formula? Jul 19 12:29:14 but its part of a larger blob that's read all at once Jul 19 12:29:20 a brainfart of EE, just wanna calibarte each nonsense Jul 19 12:29:24 and other things in it will be different Jul 19 12:29:43 (((((2099203 - (1LL<<31)) * level * 6000) >> 32) - ((level * 6000 << 1) >> 32) + (level * 6000)) >> 9) Jul 19 12:29:47 in fact, I see BME code writing to the same CAL block during its operation Jul 19 12:29:50 this is formula for battery level Jul 19 12:30:06 which I disassembled from binary bsi-read Jul 19 12:30:23 jonwil: I don't expect bme *writing* calibration data of thermistor Jul 19 12:30:24 sorry but this looks like nonsense! Jul 19 12:30:32 its writing other data Jul 19 12:30:46 and its impossible to know which of the many numbers in the same big monolithic CAL blob we want Jul 19 12:30:57 run calvaria Jul 19 12:31:05 and you see that bme block has a lot of data Jul 19 12:31:36 jonwil: we most likely don't want any data of the blob that's written Jul 19 12:31:48 bme will just read one blob, on startup Jul 19 12:31:53 http://pastebin.com/1AHa7N2e Jul 19 12:32:14 one blob that's never written and most likely never again read on same bme run Jul 19 12:32:24 this is my data from CAL under section bme Jul 19 12:32:38 I mean, after all it's calibration data that is not supposed to ever change Jul 19 12:32:59 I am staring at the BME ASM right now Jul 19 12:33:03 and it seems to read that entire lot in Jul 19 12:33:09 Pali: bme is known to write bullsh*t data about battery state to CAL Jul 19 12:33:11 and make changes to the bits that matter Jul 19 12:33:24 then write it back as one unit Jul 19 12:33:29 DocScrutinizer05, that data must be in that dump :D Jul 19 12:34:13 jonwil: are you sure there's no other blob read at startup Jul 19 12:35:01 nope, there is only one BME blob Jul 19 12:35:05 the one pali pasted Jul 19 12:35:17 well, BME blob as in what? Jul 19 12:35:22 tagged "BME"? Jul 19 12:35:25 yes Jul 19 12:35:32 but in lower bme Jul 19 12:35:48 could have "my lovely grandma told me to name it that way" tag Jul 19 12:36:12 it's not relevant how it's tagged Jul 19 12:36:16 trust me, I can see all the tags BME is reading Jul 19 12:36:25 it matters if bme is reading it ONCE during startup Jul 19 12:36:27 via its calls to cal_read_block Jul 19 12:36:33 and the only one it reads is bme Jul 19 12:36:38 :-/ Jul 19 12:36:44 oh wait it also reads r&d_mode Jul 19 12:36:48 Pali: on my device 2-255 1 is off too Jul 19 12:36:54 but that's clearly not what we are looking for Jul 19 12:37:21 SpeedEvil, what? Jul 19 12:38:13 DocScrutinizer05, other tag names which are in CAL has other meaning... they are not used for bme for sure Jul 19 12:38:29 hrmpf, what's the best BL-5J to buy, as of now Jul 19 12:38:30 ? Jul 19 12:38:30 tag mac address or codelock is not for bme Jul 19 12:38:49 the links on TMO for the good batteries all lead to sites with no availability Jul 19 12:39:12 Pali: brightness Jul 19 12:39:31 ah, ok Jul 19 12:40:18 I'm using echo 100 > /sys... in fanoush bootmenu Jul 19 12:45:16 ok, I just found the function in BME that returns the battery temperature to libbmepic Jul 19 12:45:29 the one that fills in the emsg_battery_info_reply structure Jul 19 12:45:32 investigating now Jul 19 12:55:47 jonwil, ok Jul 19 12:59:36 jonwil: \o/ Jul 19 12:59:40 ok, so the code for reading temp calls a function and passes the value 5 to it Jul 19 13:01:23 time to load BME into GDB again Jul 19 13:09:15 ok, that doesn't help Jul 19 13:09:26 it ends up in the same place I was trying to reverse engineer the other day Jul 19 13:40:01 ok, I think I am going to do something I have been meaning to for a while, document all the external things that the ICD WLAN plugin talks to Jul 19 13:40:24 and the other wlan related bits (security etc) Jul 19 13:45:56 jonwil, better write new wlan plugin which will use wpa_supplicant :D Jul 19 13:46:09 thats what I mean Jul 19 13:46:12 we find all the external bits Jul 19 13:46:16 wpa_supplicant working fine on n900 for wl1251 driver Jul 19 13:46:27 then someone writes new plugin that exports the rights bits to the rest of the system Jul 19 13:46:43 and I'm using it for usb ethernet 802.1X authentication Jul 19 13:47:10 100MBps internet on n900 :D Jul 19 14:04:45 Pali: haha, neat Jul 19 14:05:13 hmm, how much power does a usb ethernet card require? Jul 19 14:08:22 kerio, my working without external hub Jul 19 14:08:23 Pali: does it work with 200mA? Jul 19 14:08:25 yay Jul 19 14:29:59 freemangordon: I'm preparing new toolchains with the libc+kernel-cssu-headers straight from the SDK. Jul 19 14:31:20 Once that's done it should make it much easier to set up an SB env with the new compilers without kernel header issues. Jul 19 14:32:56 Ideally I'd like to build libc as part of the process based on the sb toolchain build process including thumb2 libc libraries, but that can wait. Jul 19 15:12:21 ok, looks like someone already wrote libicd-network-wpa :) Jul 19 15:21:07 jonwil, I remember that there is some code which calling wpa_supplicant Jul 19 15:25:25 zeq: sounds good, but you'd better not touch libc Jul 19 15:27:22 zeq: which gcc is that, 4.7.2? Jul 19 15:28:54 freemangordon: is it a problem to rebuild libc from the maemo libc source pkg? Jul 19 15:29:47 right now I'm just extracting the maemo libc bin pkg into my build tree. Jul 19 15:30:27 zeq when you do that, can it be inserted into scratchbox as a new target? Jul 19 15:30:38 but for a _proper_ sb toolchain it's necessary to (re-)build libc. Jul 19 15:31:06 trx: yes, that's the usual method Jul 19 15:31:14 zeq: ok, if you say so. I told you I am not SB guru. Jul 19 15:31:15 :) Jul 19 15:31:17 zeq great Jul 19 15:31:38 please let me know when you complete it, i would like to have it :) Jul 19 15:31:45 freemangordon: neither am I, I've just been reading the docs ;) Jul 19 15:34:09 zeq: which toolchain is that, linaro gcc 4.7.2? Jul 19 15:34:43 I'll make multiple builds Jul 19 15:34:50 the new linaro toolchains Jul 19 15:35:31 and vanila 4.6 maybe vanilla 4.7 Jul 19 15:36:10 zeq: why? Jul 19 15:36:24 at least the neon intrinsics bug in linaro 4.6 has been fixed Jul 19 15:36:24 don't know whether 4.7 is now good too Jul 19 15:36:27 lets just stick to latest (so far) that does the job Jul 19 15:36:54 zeq: what was that 12.07 we were expecting? Jul 19 15:37:00 that's probably linaro-4.6, maybe linaro-4.7. Need to test. Jul 19 15:37:37 yep, new linaro's are out Jul 19 15:38:13 well, lets try them, and if they work, stick to them, why do we need 10 toolchains? Jul 19 15:38:42 of we don't :) it's just I need to build them to test them :P Jul 19 15:40:46 zeq: :) Jul 19 15:42:02 zeq: BTW not that I am trying to push you or something, but isn't it better to update the bug report for fennec, I think romaxa wats for some progress from our side. Unfortunately I don't have time now to do it, as I am preparing a new cssu-thumb update Jul 19 15:42:51 freemangordon: you're right, I should. Jul 19 15:43:38 I'll get on and do that shortly Jul 19 15:44:00 zeq: fennec on n950 stutters in the same way as on n900 with HW accel enabled :( Jul 19 15:44:55 I tried to disable it (on n950) but it is giving me white image, only while scrolling there is something Jul 19 15:45:32 so it seems EGL is FUBAR on SGX Jul 19 15:49:09 probably should ask romaxa about that Jul 19 15:49:32 I expected it to work on HARM Jul 19 15:49:57 perhaps it's because the N950 has an older sgx driver? Jul 19 15:50:16 (compared to N9) Jul 19 15:53:17 zeq: don't think so Jul 19 15:53:24 they should one and the same Jul 19 15:53:31 *should have Jul 19 15:57:29 N9 has seen a lot more updates hasn't it? Jul 19 15:57:58 need somebody with a N9 to compare Jul 19 15:58:44 I need to go mow the grass before the gf gets back. I'll get onto that bug afterwards :) Jul 19 15:59:23 zeq: ok Jul 19 15:59:41 real men cut grass one by one Jul 19 15:59:44 they don't use mowers Jul 19 16:00:01 hehe Jul 19 16:00:21 or "real men use flamethrowers to cut grass" Jul 19 16:57:46 might have been easier one blade at a time, tricky avoiding all the frogs! Jul 19 17:06:17 freemangordon: shall I attach the patches as they stand to new bugs, or change the defines as romaxa suggested first? Jul 19 17:07:36 Romaxa felt it would be better to have a specific define for need_client_rotation Jul 19 17:08:27 specificall he said USE_ORIENTATION_SENSOR_FOR_WIDGET Jul 19 17:09:24 I just made up the previous from memory :) Jul 19 17:09:31 clearly it can't be trusted :P Jul 19 17:24:37 does anyone here have an N900 that is (or has been in the past) connected to a WiFi network with any kind of security other than plain WEP? Jul 19 17:24:40 e.g. WPA Jul 19 17:24:59 I use WPA2 Jul 19 17:25:10 ok Jul 19 17:25:17 WPA2 Jul 19 17:25:42 WPA2 at home for the... entirety I've had my N900 Jul 19 17:26:07 actually, who uses WEP anymore? Jul 19 17:26:14 I do Jul 19 17:26:19 :S Jul 19 17:26:21 my router is old Jul 19 17:27:16 you know something is up when you are ssh'ing from you n900 to you n950 because it is easier to fiddle that way! Jul 19 17:28:08 ok, so for the guys who are using WPA, anyone here have only one WiFi network defined in their phone? Jul 19 17:28:40 no, sorry. Jul 19 17:28:49 no, I have a lot of APs Jul 19 17:28:57 ok Jul 19 17:29:03 actually thats still useful Jul 19 17:29:10 vi___: keyboard not nice? Jul 19 17:29:27 vi___: no landscape? Jul 19 17:32:31 zeq: landscape is...uh...poorly supported. Jul 19 17:32:41 and the xterm sucks Jul 19 17:32:57 you could port a better xterm? Jul 19 17:33:00 there is a 10-30mS lag on typing. Jul 19 17:33:06 zeq: ha Jul 19 17:33:07 yuck Jul 19 17:33:40 rotation is client-side so it depends if the xterm is using pixman accel Jul 19 17:34:08 I literally have no idea. Jul 19 17:34:29 I have had about 45 minutes to play with it in 2 days so far. Jul 19 17:34:59 It seems too fragile to risk as using as my primary fone. Jul 19 17:35:13 vi___: MeeGo/Mer guys are convinced client-side rotation is the way to go. Jul 19 17:35:15 n900 4 lyf! Jul 19 17:35:58 zeq: that is the applications dealing with rotation themselves right? Jul 19 17:36:02 yes Jul 19 17:36:37 on Fremantle the xserver does it AFAIK Jul 19 17:37:19 so as far as client apps are concerned just the size changes Jul 19 17:38:56 zeq: that seems kinda logical I guess. Jul 19 17:39:10 each has its pros and cons Jul 19 17:39:28 however what happens if xorg tries to rotate AND the application tries to rotate? Jul 19 17:39:56 I don't think the xserver on HARM/MeeGo supports it Jul 19 17:41:24 ~bylaws Jul 19 17:41:29 ~future Jul 19 17:41:29 future is probably bright Jul 19 17:41:36 vi___: orientation transitions should be faster, are they? Jul 19 17:41:38 ~caniedit Jul 19 17:41:44 ~icanedit Jul 19 17:41:58 yes. Jul 19 17:42:03 vi___: did you get phone or not, you ignored me few times already =\ Jul 19 17:42:29 zogg, I leave my irc logged in at work. Jul 19 17:42:52 it is running through opera browser to get around them banning my work ip Jul 19 17:43:02 so I miss al sorts of messages. Jul 19 17:43:05 yes. Jul 19 17:43:14 I have a sexy n950. Jul 19 17:43:30 kerio, find battery yet? Jul 19 17:43:35 it is the sexiest piece of hardware I have ever seen. Jul 19 17:43:40 s/find/found Jul 19 17:44:00 it is made of metal ffs! Jul 19 17:44:12 who builds a metal phone these days? Jul 19 17:44:25 vi___: hopefully the Jolla devices will be as nice Jul 19 17:44:46 vi___, i'm afraid the screen bezel is going to wear off Jul 19 17:44:58 zeq: agreed. Hopefully they will not have such a gimpy, girls OS as well. Jul 19 17:45:03 qwazix: your pcam on github right? Jul 19 17:45:03 did you see that the paint is so thin the led shines through it? Jul 19 17:45:09 zeq: are you uk? Jul 19 17:45:11 qwazix: on harmattan org repo Jul 19 17:45:14 right, Jul 19 17:45:20 vi___: yes Jul 19 17:45:22 github.com/qwazix/rawcam Jul 19 17:45:37 I assume you do not have one? Jul 19 17:45:39 and also a fork at harmattan organization Jul 19 17:46:04 vi___: me? I only have an N900 Jul 19 17:46:24 (my 3rd N900!) Jul 19 17:46:40 well if you are ever in edinburgh, you can come and have a good play on it. Jul 19 17:47:07 vi___: My gf loves Edinburgh ;) Jul 19 17:47:36 what city are you? Jul 19 17:47:50 vi___: Bracknell, Berkshire Jul 19 17:48:00 berks! Jul 19 17:48:12 ...I have never been. Jul 19 17:48:28 vi___: Right next to Ascot, SE of Reading. Jul 19 17:48:36 Or perhaps I went through on a canal boat once. I cannot remember. Jul 19 17:49:19 ZogG_laptop: as a new harmattan user, what are the must do/have things I should install/do first. Jul 19 17:49:38 ZogG_laptop: right now I am attempting to remap the keyboard. Jul 19 17:49:56 ~icaneditthis Jul 19 17:50:06 goddammit Jul 19 17:50:13 I've only been to Edinburgh once. Visited with my girlfriend of the time. Jul 19 17:50:13 DocScrutinizer06: ping Jul 19 17:50:24 vi___, home screen settings for landscape Jul 19 17:50:32 zeq: tis a nice city. Jul 19 17:50:46 qwazix: where is it? Jul 19 17:50:50 ovi Jul 19 17:50:58 do I have to enable extra repos? Jul 19 17:51:08 are there any extra repos? Jul 19 17:51:18 which is the best xterm? Jul 19 17:51:36 rzr's community repo and martink's gtk repo are a must Jul 19 17:51:39 is there an easy way to get debian chroot scripts up and running? Jul 19 17:52:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82114 Jul 19 17:52:12 qwazix: how does one add repos? do I edit sources.list? Jul 19 17:52:16 yep Jul 19 17:52:23 vi___: battery usage, filebox, iception, meecode(qr code), screenshots, imgrup(my app to uload imgs to imgur), there is reddit app. i dunno what else Jul 19 17:52:31 did you flash open mode? Jul 19 17:52:32 vi___: there are few really good games Jul 19 17:52:34 also, where the F* can Install vim from? Jul 19 17:52:46 vi___, no idea about vim Jul 19 17:52:59 qwazix: not yet. Jul 19 17:53:06 vi___: on OBS there is vim. as well u might like finger term Jul 19 17:53:15 drop cache and apps4meego repo Jul 19 17:53:16 you 'd better do it now because it requires full reflash Jul 19 17:53:27 and you'll lose everything Jul 19 17:53:40 also debian chroot is blazingly fast Jul 19 17:53:41 I still have not found a proper pros/cons of each mode. Jul 19 17:54:00 vi___: it's easy Jul 19 17:54:01 qwazix: that is what has convinced me to keep the n950. Jul 19 17:54:05 closed mode: aegis Jul 19 17:54:08 open mode: no aegis Jul 19 17:54:13 nothing else Jul 19 17:54:20 merlin1991: but what do I lose? Jul 19 17:54:24 nothing Jul 19 17:54:27 qwazix: i have funtoo chroot now Jul 19 17:54:34 except for "security" Jul 19 17:54:34 merlin1991: what about paid for ovi content? Jul 19 17:54:39 the only problem I had (don't know if it's open mode related for sure) is that twitter auth went bonkers Jul 19 17:54:39 still works Jul 19 17:54:52 yep that I can confirm Jul 19 17:54:59 ~gentoosmite ZogG_laptop Jul 19 17:54:59 * infobot spends 5 weeks recompiling ZogG_laptop, and when it's all done, ZogG_laptop runs no faster than previously Jul 19 17:54:59 merlin1991: just install inception and aegisctl and than ariande aegisctl -s =) Jul 19 17:55:39 and you gain a BSW :) Jul 19 17:55:43 so do I lose access to paid ovi store content with open mode? Jul 19 17:55:57 no, paid content works fine Jul 19 17:56:04 echo 3 > /opt/vm/drop_caches Jul 19 17:56:31 ^can i haz monies for my app naow? Jul 19 17:57:03 is there a harmattan equivalent of alarmed? Jul 19 17:57:21 it has something called timed Jul 19 17:57:21 it sounds like open mode is THE way to go. Jul 19 17:57:41 not sure if it is really equivalent Jul 19 17:57:49 qwazix: can I run scripts in a cron like fashion? Jul 19 17:57:57 doc|home: ping Jul 19 17:58:03 I don't know Jul 19 17:58:19 ~ificanedit Jul 19 17:58:23 ffs Jul 19 17:58:29 what is it called? Jul 19 17:58:34 All I know it's the recommended api for apps if they want to do things in the background in an interval Jul 19 17:58:47 qwazix: ty Jul 19 17:59:05 tiny debian laptop. Jul 19 17:59:22 I have literally waited decades for this device. Jul 19 17:59:38 (and looks like a mac too) Jul 19 18:00:02 is ~/.profile aegis protected? Jul 19 18:00:18 ~icanedit Jul 19 18:00:22 ~ificanedit Jul 19 18:00:25 ~ificaneditthis Jul 19 18:00:32 ffs Jul 19 18:00:40 ~list Jul 19 18:00:40 one warez list being sent Jul 19 18:00:54 ~stfu infobot Jul 19 18:01:11 ehm, I think I saw that editing .profile results in bad things Jul 19 18:01:26 but I'm not sure it was harmattan Jul 19 18:10:35 I bought this http://thenokiareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Nokia-Capacitive-Stylus-SU-39-Nokias-Universal-Stylus.jpg, thought would be awesome with the N950 but it doesn't work (it apparently works only on C6's) It needs bigger touch area, and I wonder if filing the tip down would make it work (or destroy it) Jul 19 18:10:54 It does work if you touch the side of it to the screen though... Jul 19 18:12:23 .profile... Jul 19 18:12:28 edited! Jul 19 18:12:44 step 1. Colour xterm prompt. Jul 19 18:12:56 That is much more civillised. Jul 19 18:28:41 * vi___ is off to flash openmode Jul 19 18:39:20 vi___: maybe you could tweak the touchscreen driver? Jul 19 18:39:34 sorry qwazix I mean Jul 19 18:40:04 it's probably a threshold in the driver, rather than a hardware feature Jul 19 18:40:06 zeq, to make the stylus work? Jul 19 18:40:10 yeah Jul 19 18:40:39 nice idea, any pointers? do we know anything about the driver? is it open? Jul 19 18:40:54 qwazix: no idea :) Jul 19 18:41:18 i'll have a look Jul 19 18:41:21 chances are it's the X input driver Jul 19 18:41:31 rather than the kernel module Jul 19 18:41:45 just guessing though Jul 19 18:41:51 let's see what google has to say Jul 19 18:42:22 * zeq is afk Jul 19 18:50:32 I am frankly astounded at the sheer volume of shit in the ovi store. Jul 19 18:51:52 there is an ovi store? Jul 19 18:51:55 and you use it? Jul 19 18:52:00 never used it :p Jul 19 18:52:05 did i mis out? :p Jul 19 18:52:12 ovi store? Jul 19 18:52:13 heh Jul 19 18:52:25 my transactions were always rejected when buying... anything... from Nokia Jul 19 18:52:51 vi___, most of the apps are ovi app wizard rss readers, with misleading titles and high prices just to increase app count Jul 19 18:52:59 1GBP for a 'wallpaper'. WTF. Jul 19 18:53:33 Not only Nokia doesn't confine them to a category, it allows those misleading titles like cpubooster etc. Jul 19 18:53:33 Is that your mighty 1000000 appz apple? Jul 19 18:54:57 zeq, google has absolutely nothing on the N9 touchscreen configuration, and only one result relevant to capacitive touchscreen sensitivity on linux, which gives a nice idea (find /sys | grep sensitivity) but that returns nothing Jul 19 18:55:38 neither find /sys | grep touchscreen or capacitive or touch Jul 19 18:56:10 qwazix: it will not be listed as nicely as that. Jul 19 18:56:21 search for 'input0' Jul 19 18:56:32 hmm, lets see... Jul 19 18:56:34 or the name of the driver chip Jul 19 19:03:38 probably #mer or #nemomobile people know i Jul 19 19:03:40 it* Jul 19 19:10:10 ha! I found /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-004b/microamps_requested_AVdd Jul 19 19:10:25 and microamps requested_Vdd Jul 19 19:10:48 ~tell vi_ about may-i-edit Jul 19 19:10:48 and gains Jul 19 19:14:34 qwazix: never occurred to me you could need to pipe find output to grep Jul 19 19:15:06 I always thought the -iname parameter was meant for that Jul 19 19:15:09 find alone fills your screen with permission denied's Jul 19 19:15:34 uhuh, and piping stdout to grep doesn't? Jul 19 19:16:50 find /sys -iname '*sensitivity*' 2>/dev/null | less Jul 19 19:17:53 yes it's stupid, I just copied it from a website and it's late so I didn't think about it Jul 19 19:18:20 I use find -name whatever when I write it by myself Jul 19 19:18:46 I just saw it didn't throw permission denieds and I thought that's why he did that Jul 19 19:29:03 hmm, nothing obvious, anyway I give up for now Jul 19 19:34:21 to anyone who is interested - new cssu-thumb is out, includes thumb-compiled microb-engine Jul 19 19:37:39 freemangordon: your my hero Jul 19 19:38:15 I am going to go full retard here... Jul 19 19:38:31 is kp51 thump compatable? Jul 19 19:39:28 freemangordon: also, have you become so frustrated you have mapped tab onto your n900 kbd yet? Jul 19 19:42:24 vi__: kp51 should be compatible, but thumb mp- thingie is not ready yet, I am wating Pali to push changes to kernel-cssu Jul 19 19:42:35 more about jolla: http://www.intomobile.com/2012/07/11/interview-jussi-hurmola-ceo-jollamobile-audio-and-text-available/ Jul 19 19:42:58 vi__: not on this n900, but i used to have it on fn+bksp Jul 19 19:43:05 and esc on shift+bksp Jul 19 19:43:43 and pgup/pgdn/home/end on fn+up/down/left/right Jul 19 19:44:11 on a sidenote, pali not only spotted a bug in scratchbox today, but also ships a cssu-uninstaller now Jul 19 19:45:42 DocScrutinizer06: the bug Pali spotted is the same one that causes MAG to ship thumb-compiled binaries and is known for about an year ;) Jul 19 19:46:04 yep, but not known it's genuine Jul 19 19:46:31 vi__: I didn't understand the "tab" question Jul 19 19:48:07 vi__: BTW how do you like your n950 after playng with it for a while? Jul 19 19:48:31 * DocScrutinizer06 burps Jul 19 19:48:37 DocScrutinizer06: does a hub connected to the n900 correctly report devices plugged in/removed? Jul 19 19:48:58 yes Jul 19 19:49:58 so... why is nobody selling one-port hubs with a microusb B plug for the host and a microusb B port for power yet? Jul 19 19:50:14 at least that's the tale Jul 19 19:50:25 (also, how much power does the typical usb hub require for itself?) Jul 19 19:50:35 100mA Jul 19 19:50:53 so... 100+500+500? Jul 19 19:50:54 by definition more than real life Jul 19 19:51:10 the wallcharger is 1100, in theory Jul 19 19:51:19 is it? Jul 19 19:51:57 i thought it was Jul 19 19:52:29 well, a proper externally powered USB hub should 'need' 0 from host, and deliver 500 to all downstream ports Jul 19 19:53:18 kerio: this will blow your mind Jul 19 19:53:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Jul 19 19:53:28 though I'm not sure if it still negotiates 100mA for itself, with host Jul 19 19:53:47 yeah but can you make a proper externally powered USB hub with one port that also delivers 500 upstream, if you only have the n900 wallcharger for power? Jul 19 19:54:14 freemangordon: I meant re-mapping n950 keyboard to include important keys like esc and tab Jul 19 19:54:45 vi__: oh god don't do this to me Jul 19 19:54:47 kerio: in theory: yes Jul 19 19:55:02 kerio Jul 19 19:55:07 i'm pretending the default layout is enough because otherwise i have to start working on my layout again Jul 19 19:55:21 to also add compositing accents and programming symbols Jul 19 19:55:35 kerio: I have every conceivable key on the n900 board, including right and middle mouse clicks! Jul 19 19:55:49 WOOHOOO \o/ Jul 19 19:56:06 RMB MMB awesome! Jul 19 19:56:38 neat Jul 19 19:56:55 DocScrutinizer05: it allows MMB pasting in xterm. Jul 19 19:57:05 which rules. Jul 19 19:57:14 i might skip F1...F12 Jul 19 19:57:22 so i have more space to fit italianities on the top row Jul 19 19:57:22 no more opening menu and clicking paste like a chimp Jul 19 19:57:31 http://www.electricimp.com/product/ - nice sdcard with WiFi Jul 19 19:57:49 kerio: well there are rumours even more than 4 levels. Jul 19 19:57:53 vi__: cooool Jul 19 19:58:14 X K B C E P T I O N Jul 19 19:58:21 vi__: yeah but you have to use the russian layout or some shit Jul 19 19:58:29 kerio: yeah. Jul 19 19:58:40 F6 is worth it though. Jul 19 19:58:48 for what? Jul 19 19:59:00 it allows you to switch between xterm fullscreen on/off Jul 19 19:59:07 ...shit, i need that Jul 19 19:59:12 isn't F6 one of the volume keys? Jul 19 19:59:29 kerio: you certainly do. Jul 19 19:59:34 hmm, i wonder if it's doable with shortcutd, with the camkey focus longpress Jul 19 19:59:45 how fullscreen? Jul 19 19:59:49 does the stupid toolbar stay? Jul 19 20:01:06 once you have all this, you can go FULL full screen ALL THE TIME. Jul 19 20:01:06 none of that retarded pop-up symbols bullshit. Jul 19 20:01:06 no pressing tab on the soft row. Jul 19 20:01:29 you can get rid of stupid toolbar with a gconf setting Jul 19 20:01:50 it allows for a completely full fullscreen. Jul 19 20:01:56 yeah, i used to do that Jul 19 20:02:00 f6 lets you come back Jul 19 20:02:28 ...and your the first person I have ever told. Jul 19 20:02:33 http://i.imgur.com/UoeZM.png <-- this is how i feel Jul 19 20:02:49 hah Jul 19 20:02:57 vi__: i might try to do something with shortcutd Jul 19 20:03:01 maybe camkey focus longpress Jul 19 20:04:07 kerio: no way. save that for skip music track! Jul 19 20:04:27 vi__: bitch please Jul 19 20:04:33 i use bluetooth headphones Jul 19 20:04:36 with full controls and shit Jul 19 20:04:43 -_- Jul 19 20:05:00 I like the stock headphones... Jul 19 20:05:06 is that so wrong? Jul 19 20:05:38 stock N900 or N950? Jul 19 20:05:51 vi__: you suck Jul 19 20:06:01 n900, the n950 does not come with headphones. Jul 19 20:06:26 ah (well, didn't know about N950, lol) Jul 19 20:06:44 anyway, vi__ .. i also like my N900 stock headphones :) Jul 19 20:06:48 n950 accessories include a usb cable and a cardboard cox. Jul 19 20:06:52 ^box Jul 19 20:07:03 also, you haven't thought about using the proximity sensor for an extra mute key Jul 19 20:07:05 maybe alt Jul 19 20:07:26 vi__: how do i run something that pretends i inputted a key? Jul 19 20:07:38 xdo Jul 19 20:07:45 or somthing Jul 19 20:08:21 vi__: no, i want answers! Jul 19 20:08:21 D: Jul 19 20:10:14 hm, xdotool Jul 19 20:10:29 I cant remember what it is called. what are you trying to do? Jul 19 20:10:44 shortcutd has a "run shell command" setting Jul 19 20:11:00 so i can make camkey focus longpress act as a F6 key Jul 19 20:11:14 how novel. Jul 19 20:11:17 :3 Jul 19 20:11:37 why not just use the keyboard? Jul 19 20:11:49 because i have no idea whatsoever of what to do with the F keys Jul 19 20:11:51 anywhere Jul 19 20:12:23 neat, it works Jul 19 20:12:24 you can use them with programs in easy debian. Jul 19 20:12:26 xdotool key F6 Jul 19 20:12:39 vi__: easy debian is bullshit Jul 19 20:12:43 kerio: that was fast. Jul 19 20:12:51 kerio: I beg you pardon? Jul 19 20:13:17 kerio: easy debian is possibly the greatest thing on the n900. Jul 19 20:13:56 full access to the debian repos... Jul 19 20:14:06 just think about that for a moment. Jul 19 20:14:41 vi__: by the way, your layout is ass Jul 19 20:14:48 fourth level z and fourth level x are the same key Jul 19 20:14:54 i mean, they're sent at the same time Jul 19 20:15:15 vi__: easy debian is just a novelty Jul 19 20:15:22 you really don't want to use those programs anyway Jul 19 20:15:26 unless it's terminal stuff Jul 19 20:15:27 kerio: my layout is not ass you rude little fuckwit. Jul 19 20:15:29 which runs fine in maemo Jul 19 20:15:31 vi__: :c Jul 19 20:15:45 go read how the keyboard works. Jul 19 20:15:58 vi__: i did, and i made tests Jul 19 20:16:03 there are certain 4th level bugs. Jul 19 20:16:08 fn+shift+z and fn+shift+x do the same stuff for me Jul 19 20:16:15 so mapping {} on them is useless Jul 19 20:16:21 that send pairs Jul 19 20:16:26 at most you can map a key to one, and set the other to none Jul 19 20:16:33 (the 4th level, i mean) Jul 19 20:16:59 ok, I posted all the notes on the things you would need to know to completly replace the Maemo5 WiFi infrastructure without breaking things Jul 19 20:17:08 well in my experiance, you rarely use a [ without a ] later. So this takes advantage of this and puts them both up. Jul 19 20:18:14 kerio: have a good think about it. you will see it is the best that can be made of an annoying hardware bug. Jul 19 20:18:20 jonwil: where? Jul 19 20:18:33 vi__: ...still dirty Jul 19 20:18:45 jonwil: \0/ Jul 19 20:18:46 to maemo-developers Jul 19 20:18:53 also it wouldn't work at all for nethack Jul 19 20:19:37 jonwil: ty Jul 19 20:19:42 This is what you need to replace osso-wlan, osso-wlan-security, libicd-network-wlan, libicd-network-wps and libicd-network-eap Jul 19 20:19:46 kerio: it works fine for NH Jul 19 20:20:13 I suggest libicd-network-wpa is a good place to start for any new M5 wlan work Jul 19 20:20:18 vi__: no, because i can't type ( to choose weapons in the menus and not tools Jul 19 20:20:24 er, wrong way around Jul 19 20:20:46 what? Jul 19 20:20:48 ( Jul 19 20:20:50 and Jul 19 20:20:52 ( Jul 19 20:20:59 no, ( and ) Jul 19 20:21:00 work fine Jul 19 20:21:08 ) Jul 19 20:21:10 ( Jul 19 20:21:12 tools open stuff, weapons close them (in a way) Jul 19 20:21:12 () Jul 19 20:21:24 vi__: yeah, if you can backspace and delete one of the two :) Jul 19 20:21:28 blue+h=( Jul 19 20:21:36 oh right Jul 19 20:21:37 blue+j=) Jul 19 20:21:49 wait, why did you add that to 4th level j/k then? Jul 19 20:21:50 hopefully the info I posted will be of value to someone Jul 19 20:22:12 oh, for coding Jul 19 20:22:13 i see Jul 19 20:22:17 ...hrmpf Jul 19 20:22:20 because that pair has the same bug. Jul 19 20:22:33 i want to say the same thing about [ and ], but you never want to select mimics anyway Jul 19 20:22:35 so you may as well make use of it. Jul 19 20:22:48 (your layout has no {} btw) Jul 19 20:22:56 yes it does Jul 19 20:23:11 oh, braceleft/braceright Jul 19 20:23:11 4th n and m Jul 19 20:23:19 i see Jul 19 20:23:36 ok, its 4am here, zzz time Jul 19 20:23:40 later guys Jul 19 20:23:47 bb jonwil Jul 19 20:24:12 kerio: you are basically being told 3 years of tweaks hacks and scripts right off the bat here. whatever you think of has already been tried. Jul 19 20:25:00 yeah, i used to have that kind of stuff on my old n900 (with a heavily modded italian layout) Jul 19 20:25:06 that xdotool on a shortcut? allready suggested to send a space character so stock media player would pop up virtual keyboard. Jul 19 21:31:16 http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117859 Jul 19 21:31:59 srly, the new hype isn't "on a mobile device" but "on a raspberry pi" ffs it's just another arm device nothing different from arm phones / tablets / whatever Jul 19 21:32:57 merlin1991: Except it was really cheap. Jul 19 21:33:15 yeah but still uh oh there's going to be chromium for the rpi Jul 19 21:33:30 no there's going to be chromium for hardfp arm, could run ie on the n9 Jul 19 21:33:46 Yup. Jul 19 21:36:55 merlin1991: like poele who say internet when in fact they meant http:// Jul 19 21:37:06 s/poele/people/ Jul 19 21:37:07 DocScrutinizer05 meant: merlin1991: like people who say internet when in fact they meant http:// Jul 19 21:37:38 and think http:// when they read or hear internet Jul 19 21:38:23 talking about the internet, the other day I learned that there is more to dns than A AAAA CNAME and MX records :) Jul 19 21:39:55 orly? :-D Jul 19 21:41:24 what did you find? Jul 19 21:42:40 hahaha Jul 19 21:43:05 srv :D Jul 19 21:44:08 hah, learnt about it during twinkle times Jul 19 21:44:31 SIP Jul 19 21:44:40 DNAME! Jul 19 21:46:42 SOA! Jul 19 23:44:47 ~portugal Jul 19 23:44:47 Never heard of it. Jul 19 23:47:50 infobot is not good at geogrpahics :D Jul 20 00:54:14 today when i was talking i heard beep beep beep while i was talking on the phone, is my phone being tapped? Jul 20 00:56:02 You wouldn't hear anything if it was Jul 20 00:56:13 Likely interference from another phone nearby checking in **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 20 02:59:59 2012