**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 22 02:59:59 2012 Jul 22 07:58:31 hmm, that was unexpected, I ran unnethack a few times and once I quit it at some point with ctrl-c or something and it left my terminal colours like they're in-game Jul 22 07:59:05 now new terminals have those colors set, I also tried to reboot but didn't matter Jul 22 07:59:56 not a big deal since I already changed them back but I was sort of surprised it somehow changed the colors "globally" Jul 22 10:19:41 zeq: tag FIREFOX_AURORA_16_BASE gives around 8000ms on sunspider, better than last, but worse than 4th of July version, going to bisect. Jul 22 10:20:35 freemangordon: good luck! Jul 22 10:22:08 yeah, thanks :). I ahve a bad feeling it is not only one commit :( Jul 22 10:22:26 freemangordon: can you keep an eye on how much memory plugin-containers sucks up? Jul 22 10:22:44 s/plugin-containers/plugin-container/ Jul 22 10:22:45 zeq meant: freemangordon: can you keep an eye on how much memory plugin-container sucks up? Jul 22 10:23:32 zeq: yeah, I saw it uses much more memory than befor Jul 22 10:23:37 *before Jul 22 10:23:52 55Mb or so I'm getting typically Jul 22 10:24:10 that's a lot of RAM on the N900 Jul 22 10:24:11 ! Jul 22 10:24:14 which build? Jul 22 10:24:31 it's been that way for at least the last couple of weeks Jul 22 10:24:41 hmm, yeah, not good Jul 22 10:24:52 but with HW accel it uses half of that Jul 22 10:25:01 I'm not sure if it was always that way, and just didn't notice..? Jul 22 10:25:21 maybe not plugin spawned? Jul 22 10:25:27 s/not/no/ Jul 22 10:25:27 zeq meant: maybe no plugin spawned? Jul 22 10:25:31 both fennec and plugin-contaiiner use less memory when egl accel is enabled Jul 22 10:25:43 have you got egl accel working then??? Jul 22 10:25:54 what does about:support say? Jul 22 10:26:32 zeq: it was working all the time(if turned on through about:config), but stutters and segfaults from time to time Jul 22 10:27:13 zeq: goto about:config and type layers Jul 22 10:27:31 I get the segfaults, too soon to test. I was getting the black screen you saw before that. That seems to be fixed now. Jul 22 10:27:51 there you should turn accel.disabled to false and force_enabled to true Jul 22 10:28:06 you may want to turn draw_fps on Jul 22 10:28:08 freemangordon: it didn't seem to actually turn on until restarting though... I'll try it again Jul 22 10:28:19 yeah, you need to restart fennec Jul 22 10:29:30 starting up with egl accel... Jul 22 10:29:51 BOOM Jul 22 10:30:24 zeq: hmm, that is strange, it works here for a minite or two befor BOOM Jul 22 10:30:40 it started, then I tried to use it... Jul 22 10:30:48 maybe you should reboot your device first, sometimes SGX is left in a bad state Jul 22 10:30:58 aah, so it started Jul 22 10:30:59 probably is now :P Jul 22 10:31:23 :D Jul 22 10:31:25 yeah Jul 22 10:31:52 freemangordon: Have you managed to get hold of romaxa? Jul 22 10:31:59 no :( Jul 22 10:33:28 I'm going to be busy doing housework today, if you get hold of him and can get the tree/patches for making accel work can you send me an email or something and I'll get on-line? Jul 22 10:33:57 zeq: ok, I'll try Jul 22 10:34:19 I'll stay logged in, but I'll be afk. Jul 22 10:36:49 freemangordon: I've pushed a fix for gcc-4.7 build. It's just a missing #include . Jul 22 10:37:13 It's all that's needed along with the qt patch. Jul 22 10:37:37 (the qt gcc-4.7 patch is in the same place as the toolchains) Jul 22 10:45:17 zeq: did you try if google https certificate error is still there with linaro gcc 4.6? Jul 22 10:45:41 I had to stop last night under orders ;) Jul 22 10:45:46 :D Jul 22 10:45:50 I'm about to start the build off now Jul 22 10:45:57 ok Jul 22 10:52:20 I've also pushed a patch to build the sqlite3 module with -fno-fast-math, -ffast-math is very advantageous with NEON particuarly with -ftree-vectorize enabled, as long as it doesn't break anything! Jul 22 10:52:50 anyone tried SGX driver from Neno on Fremantle? Jul 22 10:52:53 *Nemo Jul 22 10:52:59 (it's known to break sqlite3) Jul 22 10:53:30 freemangordon: I think that would be a good idea :) Jul 22 10:54:12 hmm, let me try to find stskeeps on #harmattan Jul 22 10:54:39 ~seen stskeeps Jul 22 10:54:44 stskeeps is currently on #meego (5h 12m 44s), last said: '2no'. Jul 22 10:55:47 freemangordon: probably sleeping :) Jul 22 10:55:54 is he in the US? Jul 22 10:56:01 no, he is in poland afaik Jul 22 10:56:14 maybe having a lay in? :P Jul 22 10:56:21 yeah, could be Jul 22 10:57:17 build is underway (default optimization flags) Jul 22 10:58:00 freemangordon: or should I have used the same flags as I used for gcc47? Jul 22 10:58:31 zeq: NFC :D Jul 22 10:59:15 freemangordon: it's just that we know the google cert works with the combination of gcc47 and the flags I used, we know nothing else ;) Jul 22 10:59:58 I guess it doesn't matter, test one thing at a time... Jul 22 11:00:35 zeq: good start point with this idea. Jul 22 11:01:05 freemangordon: I don't know if you noticed but the new toolchains are much smaller than my last builds due to only using the Maemo C libs etc rather than the SB versions. Jul 22 11:01:47 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 225862049 Jun 25 11:31 linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 Jul 22 11:01:50 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 171826196 Jul 21 16:30 linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 Jul 22 11:04:05 * zeq is off to do some cleaning... Jul 22 12:25:48 ciao all Jul 22 13:11:14 freemangordon: "Secure Connection Failed" Jul 22 13:11:31 freemangordon: going to try with the same opt flags as I used for gcc47. Jul 22 13:58:45 freemangordon: 4.6 wouldn't build with LTO, so I'm making the flags as close as posible to those I used for gcc47. Jul 22 14:12:53 zeq: ok. BTW "Bisecting: 76 revisions left to test after this (roughly 6 steps)" :D Jul 22 15:02:35 freemangordon: your bisect isn't going to finish before tomorrow is it? (unless you get lucky) Jul 22 15:02:53 ~seen pali Jul 22 15:03:00 pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 24m 10s ago, saying: 'jonwil, DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^^'. Jul 22 15:14:23 zeq: yeah, seems so :( Jul 22 15:14:34 Bisecting: 38 revisions left to test after this (roughly 5 steps) Jul 22 15:22:55 * jonwil wishes there was a way to find out all the values that are valid under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP :( Jul 22 15:23:01 gconf that is Jul 22 15:23:27 And set! Jul 22 15:24:53 jonwil: read the schema? Jul 22 15:25:58 there is no schema that I can find that includes some of the things I know are valid Jul 22 15:27:24 Anintrospective. Jul 22 15:28:18 Could somebody take some time to help me? Jul 22 15:28:52 I think I need to reflash my n900 but I am unable to. Jul 22 15:29:28 the only reference to the wlan_security key that isn't in an ELF binary is in the actual current gconf tree Jul 22 15:30:02 there is no schema or anything that defines the existence of wlan_security except for the binaries that create it Jul 22 15:30:21 kiborg: why do you think you need to reflash your N900? Jul 22 15:32:04 It is constantly restarting Jul 22 15:32:44 if I turn it on it stays on for about 2 min and than it restarts. Jul 22 15:37:46 jonwil: It's pity. But it's usual with closed source. Have you tried google? Jul 22 15:38:12 Google doesn't help Jul 22 15:38:53 I doubt anyone else outside of Nokia really has bothered to do much with this key except for a couple very specific useful fields Jul 22 15:40:56 jonwil: maybe this field isn't important for UI. Jul 22 15:41:57 I need to know all the valid fields so I can identify what, if any, other parts of the system (other than icd2 and related bits that is) use these fields Jul 22 15:42:26 so that any future ICD2 replacement is 100% compatible with the rest of the system Jul 22 15:46:13 I tried to reflash the system to get the n900 to work but I can't reflash it. Jul 22 15:46:27 what happens when you try to reflash? Jul 22 15:46:36 Reflasher just opens and closes. Instantly. Jul 22 15:46:50 I might be doing somethin wrong Jul 22 15:48:31 If anybody has any idea how to get the data (adress book) off before I would be grateful. Jul 22 15:49:47 depending on whats wrong, you might be able to get away with just flashing the main filesystem (which has the operating system on it) and not flashing the user filesystem (with all the data on it like the address book) Jul 22 15:50:10 are you trying to flash on Winfows or Linux? Jul 22 15:53:46 I can do both Jul 22 15:53:58 Which is better? Jul 22 15:54:04 I am on win now Jul 22 15:54:59 the flasher has to be run as a command line Jul 22 15:55:08 thats why when you open it, it just disappears without doing anything Jul 22 15:56:23 ok Jul 22 15:56:34 so I open cmd Jul 22 15:57:05 do you have the firmware to flash? Jul 22 15:57:09 jonwil: another possible way is to implement as close as possible and then maybe you'll see that the field isn't used. Jul 22 15:57:17 yes Jul 22 15:57:34 ok Jul 22 15:57:39 jonwil: btw I think there is some gconf monitor which can show you what read/write the field. Jul 22 15:59:36 so how do I start the flasher from cmd? I haven't done that in years... Jul 22 15:59:45 I dont know for windows exactly Jul 22 15:59:58 been a while since I have used the flasher and that was on Linux Jul 22 16:00:16 Should I just switch to Linux? Jul 22 16:00:24 I wont be able to help you there either Jul 22 16:01:21 hmmm, this Jul 22 16:01:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_or_re-flashing_the_firmware_using_the_Flasher Jul 22 16:01:24 might help you out Jul 22 16:01:30 Kiborg: yes Jul 22 16:03:09 Kiborg: the windows flasher is terra incognita to several of us here Jul 22 16:03:31 and so is fixing issues on windows in general Jul 22 16:04:21 ok Jul 22 16:04:36 i am on step 6 Jul 22 16:05:13 nothing is happening the screen says nokia and i Jul 22 16:05:25 I suspect the Windows flasher was written more as an afterthought because Nokia needed Windows flashing code Jul 22 16:05:45 I am holding u key Jul 22 16:06:04 looks like nothing... Jul 22 16:06:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux Jul 22 16:06:48 and particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting Jul 22 16:07:42 Kiborg: please use your Nokia wallwart fastcharger, power down N900, plug in fastcharger while holding 'u' key Jul 22 16:08:43 Kiborg: does it show "NOKIA" screen wit USB icon upper right? Jul 22 16:11:48 yes Jul 22 16:12:22 And the flasher is giving me options... Jul 22 16:12:34 a lot of them Jul 22 16:13:38 Kiborg: does it show "NOKIA" screen wit USB icon upper right? Does it stay on that screen? Jul 22 16:14:23 Yes it does. Jul 22 16:14:28 ok Jul 22 16:14:47 please shut down N900 Jul 22 16:15:04 should I unplug first? Jul 22 16:15:06 paste your flasher command here for review Jul 22 16:15:11 yes, unplug Jul 22 16:17:42 Kiborg: are you still around? Jul 22 16:17:53 yes Jul 22 16:18:08 I cant copy paste from cmd Jul 22 16:18:13 hmm Jul 22 16:18:15 why? Jul 22 16:18:34 I have no idea it is grayed out Jul 22 16:18:54 ooh you are still on windows? Jul 22 16:19:14 yes I need to restart to get to linux Jul 22 16:19:33 I think that would be the smartest thing to do... Jul 22 16:19:44 *smartest Jul 22 16:19:44 yes Jul 22 16:19:49 OK brb Jul 22 16:23:26 Hi this is Kiborg on Linux now. Jul 22 16:24:10 I was trying to reflash my N900... Jul 22 16:25:14 wb Jul 22 16:25:43 you already downloaded linux flasher-3.5 ? Jul 22 16:27:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux ""1. Download the Flasher for your device model: N900, N810, N800 or 770"" http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jul 22 16:27:30 ~# cd Jul 22 16:27:40 ~# mkdir n900 Jul 22 16:27:58 ~# cd n900 Jul 22 16:28:42 in browser download, select the n900 dir in your homedir for download destination of flasher Jul 22 16:30:07 or do: Jul 22 16:30:18 ~# wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz Jul 22 16:30:45 umm probably this won't work Jul 22 16:32:25 ok Jul 22 16:32:46 you got flasher downloaded to n900 dir? Jul 22 16:32:50 yes Jul 22 16:32:56 fine Jul 22 16:33:12 you unpacked it? Jul 22 16:33:33 yes in the n900 dir Jul 22 16:33:35 please paste output of ls Jul 22 16:34:16 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 Jul 22 16:34:23 nice Jul 22 16:34:29 :) Jul 22 16:34:47 ~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 --help Jul 22 16:35:27 bash: ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2: Is a directory Jul 22 16:35:41 :nod: Jul 22 16:36:25 And now? Jul 22 16:37:35 ~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_*/flasher-3.5 --help Jul 22 16:38:42 heh, that could fail in a weird way Jul 22 16:39:02 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Jul 22 16:39:02 ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: unrecognized option '--help' Jul 22 16:39:02 Usage: flasher [OPTIONS] Jul 22 16:39:02 Options: Jul 22 16:39:02 -F, --fiasco=ARG Location of a FIASCO image Jul 22 16:39:09 fine Jul 22 16:39:20 hahah Jul 22 16:39:23 please don't paste more than 3 lines! Jul 22 16:39:31 i wasn't expecting that, honestly Jul 22 16:40:07 zeq: "Bisecting: 9 revisions left to test after this (roughly 3 steps)" Jul 22 16:40:09 Zx432: you're still around or already kicked for spamming? ;-) Jul 22 16:40:26 luckily I am here... Jul 22 16:40:27 DocScrutinizer05: he was killed and then returned Jul 22 16:40:35 :-D Jul 22 16:41:07 like jesus! Jul 22 16:41:18 I am immortal! Jul 22 16:41:23 ~# alias flasher $HOME/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 Jul 22 16:41:48 But t might bi smarter if next time I use pastebin... Jul 22 16:42:09 don't paste unless asked for Jul 22 16:42:21 ok sorry Jul 22 16:42:31 ~# flasher --help Jul 22 16:42:50 alias flasher could not be found Jul 22 16:43:12 err, what shell are you using? Jul 22 16:43:19 forgot the = Jul 22 16:43:22 meh Jul 22 16:43:30 ~# alias flasher=$HOME/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 Jul 22 16:43:56 kerio: thanks Jul 22 16:45:00 OK nothing happened. Jul 22 16:45:10 ~# flasher --help Jul 22 16:46:16 just tell me if it works Jul 22 16:46:20 no Jul 22 16:46:37 what does it say? Jul 22 16:46:41 I get bash error Jul 22 16:46:48 no such file or dir Jul 22 16:46:56 ouch Jul 22 16:46:59 my bad Jul 22 16:47:12 ~# alias flasher=$HOME/n900/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 Jul 22 16:48:08 ok Jul 22 16:48:16 ~# flasher --help Jul 22 16:48:43 I see options. Jul 22 16:48:47 ok Jul 22 16:49:03 yu know where you got your fiasco image? Jul 22 16:49:14 I gather it's on your windows drive Jul 22 16:49:21 yes Jul 22 16:49:31 copy it to n900 Jul 22 16:49:36 ok Jul 22 16:49:40 n900 dir Jul 22 16:49:53 sth like Jul 22 16:50:22 ~# cp /windows/D/bla/blub/dadadaCOMBINEDdada . Jul 22 16:50:35 done Jul 22 16:51:19 BTW what distro are you using? Jul 22 16:51:20 ~# flasher -F -f -R Jul 22 16:51:35 me? Susue12.1 Jul 22 16:51:40 Suse Jul 22 16:52:03 replace with name of file just copied Jul 22 16:52:30 oops Jul 22 16:52:41 well, just do it Jul 22 16:53:09 use tab completion, for your convenience Jul 22 16:53:18 are the <> also in? Jul 22 16:53:22 on the filename Jul 22 16:53:29 nope Jul 22 16:53:32 ok Jul 22 16:53:52 please paste the commandline here Jul 22 16:54:27 ~/n900$ flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 22 16:54:43 enter? Jul 22 16:54:52 yep Jul 22 16:54:59 will complain Jul 22 16:55:08 but should do something Jul 22 16:55:26 yes it started Jul 22 16:55:36 are you root? Jul 22 16:55:38 nothing to do Jul 22 16:55:42 I am root Jul 22 16:55:45 aah Jul 22 16:55:55 so what's last line it says Jul 22 16:55:56 ? Jul 22 16:56:52 ooh, you forgot the -f Jul 22 16:57:09 Before options? "nothing to do" was from the program... not me :) Jul 22 16:57:29 fetch last line (cursor iup), append -f Jul 22 16:57:33 enter Jul 22 16:58:10 it should be flasher -f right? Jul 22 16:58:23 ~# flasher -F -f -R Jul 22 16:58:42 oh at the end again. OK Jul 22 16:59:24 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Jul 22 16:59:32 plug in N900 Jul 22 16:59:40 while holding 'U' Jul 22 17:00:29 Success? Jul 22 17:00:44 dunno Jul 22 17:00:49 what#s happening? Jul 22 17:00:51 USB device found found at bus 001, device address 005. Jul 22 17:00:51 Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted Jul 22 17:00:58 eew Jul 22 17:01:16 ~# lsmod|grep phonet Jul 22 17:02:02 cdc_phonet 13042 0 Jul 22 17:02:02 phonet 30565 1 cdc_phonet Jul 22 17:02:11 yeah, thought as much Jul 22 17:02:18 moment please Jul 22 17:02:40 ~# echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf Jul 22 17:02:45 What does it mean? Jul 22 17:03:22 Permission denied Jul 22 17:03:28 ~# id Jul 22 17:03:55 uid=1000(kiborg) gid=1000(kiborg) skupine=1000(kiborg),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),116(lpadmin),118(admin),124(sambashare) Jul 22 17:04:04 ~# sudo su Jul 22 17:04:47 yeah now I am root Jul 22 17:04:50 ~# echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf Jul 22 17:05:29 nothing happened Jul 22 17:05:31 ~# modprobe -r cdc_phonet Jul 22 17:05:53 nothing Jul 22 17:05:58 btw unplug N900 and power it down Jul 22 17:06:19 done Jul 22 17:06:25 ~# lsmod|grep phonet Jul 22 17:07:17 done Jul 22 17:07:58 ~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jul 22 17:08:46 Now I plug n900? Right? Jul 22 17:08:50 yep Jul 22 17:09:02 And hold the U key? Jul 22 17:09:05 yep Jul 22 17:09:22 u first plugging next? Jul 22 17:09:26 yep Jul 22 17:09:44 works Jul 22 17:09:44 kepp u down while plugging in Jul 22 17:10:18 good luck, I'm off for dinner Jul 22 17:10:30 thank you! Jul 22 17:10:33 yw Jul 22 17:16:59 It seems to be working! :) Jul 22 17:17:45 freemangordon: still no success with google https using 4.6 :S Jul 22 17:22:38 and it chrashed... Jul 22 17:22:53 could it be a hardware problem? Jul 22 17:23:15 Zx432: N900 crashing with stock firmware? Jul 22 17:23:24 yes Jul 22 17:23:38 just general usage? Jul 22 17:24:12 Just looking at it. Jul 22 17:24:52 does sound like a hw problem. when you say crashed, does it lock up? reboot? Jul 22 17:25:30 there should be a log on one of the mtd partitions, can't remember which. Jul 22 17:25:53 DocScrutunizer05 helped me downgrade to stock because of reboots. It reboots constantly. Jul 22 17:26:30 even with stock Jul 22 17:26:52 do same procedure with VANILLA Jul 22 17:27:10 where is the log? Jul 22 17:27:13 you got some rogue stuff in your N900's $HOME Jul 22 17:27:28 DocScrutinizer05: is it mtd2 with the crash log? Jul 22 17:27:43 cat /proc/mtd Jul 22 17:28:39 Zx432: sudo less /dev/mtd2ro Jul 22 17:28:42 Zx432: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Jul 22 17:28:57 zeq: he got a reboot loop Jul 22 17:29:27 DocScrutinizer05: guess I misunderstood :S Jul 22 17:29:41 Zx432: logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Jul 22 17:30:08 Interesting thing is that the desktop items are blinking. Jul 22 17:30:30 Zx432: you might have guessed you don't need to do the alias stuff while not root Jul 22 17:31:23 Zx432: I think the blinking is from constant hildon desktop restarts Jul 22 17:32:08 something messed up with position of icons, or wallpaper, or anything else hildon desktop related Jul 22 17:32:15 hildon desktop crashes Jul 22 17:32:25 gets restarted Jul 22 17:32:29 crahses again Jul 22 17:32:40 eventually dsme reboots your device Jul 22 17:33:01 you might stop this by disabling watchdogs Jul 22 17:33:15 ask somebody else how to use flasher to disable watchdogs Jul 22 17:33:46 then you might be able to boot to your N900 system and open an xterm with shift-ctrl-x Jul 22 17:34:03 delete suspiciious stuff in $HOME Jul 22 17:34:32 or you simply flash emmc Jul 22 17:34:36 aka VANILLA Jul 22 17:34:52 It works now... Jul 22 17:34:57 which also deletes all of your $HOME (and all of your MyDocs :-/) Jul 22 17:35:04 strange... Jul 22 17:35:20 Zx432: can you mount your device when porwered off and back up what you need to? Jul 22 17:35:48 Zx432: INSTALL BACKUPMENU! oops capslock Jul 22 17:36:02 do a proper backup! Jul 22 17:36:05 ~bm Jul 22 17:36:06 i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jul 22 17:36:12 I am doing exactly that. saving data... Jul 22 17:36:23 tricky if it reboot loops though Jul 22 17:36:31 also copy your data from MyDocs Jul 22 17:36:53 zeq: [2012-07-22 19:34:52] It works now... Jul 22 17:37:00 I have a proper backup. Jul 22 17:37:10 of backupmenu? Jul 22 17:37:33 backupmenu >> backup app Jul 22 17:38:07 BM will allow you to restroe *system* Jul 22 17:38:08 DocScrutinizer05: sorry missed that Jul 22 17:38:28 Is there a way to get the contacts to such backup that it will be readable by other systems? Android, Thunderbird etc? Jul 22 17:38:42 not really Jul 22 17:38:51 or not that easily at least Jul 22 17:39:10 you need to export vcards in contacts app Jul 22 17:39:52 I'm not sure the usual hildon backup tgz tarball contains vcards Jul 22 17:40:21 might though Jul 22 17:40:36 * DocScrutinizer05 afk for dinner now, for good Jul 22 17:40:47 good luck! Jul 22 17:40:59 Thank you! Jul 22 17:44:16 zeq: what do you mean by "no success"? Jul 22 17:45:12 freemangordon: I mean even using as similar cflags as I used to build with 4.7 https for google still fails with the no memory error. Jul 22 17:45:24 (which works fine when compiled with 4.7) Jul 22 17:45:43 dammit :( Jul 22 17:46:10 must be some 4.6 ARM code generation bug Jul 22 17:46:17 yeah Jul 22 17:46:30 zeq, freemangordon, FYI modest also complains with the same error with a hildon banner Jul 22 17:46:30 although, why wouldn't it affect Android too? Jul 22 17:46:58 zeq: btw which libstdcc++ you use wehn runnning gcc 4.7-compiled binaries Jul 22 17:47:16 libstdc++ from gcc-4.7 Jul 22 17:47:18 qwazix: modest uses libnss afaik Jul 22 17:47:41 Having a more recent libstdc++ isn't a problem (unless it's buggy) Jul 22 17:47:53 zeq: ever tried the one from cssu-thumb repo? Jul 22 17:48:06 (to run 4.7 bins with it) Jul 22 17:48:23 that shouldn't work with 4.7 compiled c++ afaik Jul 22 17:48:38 yeah :(. do you have .deb? Jul 22 17:48:47 sure Jul 22 17:48:53 I'll put it on my webserver Jul 22 17:49:22 ok Jul 22 17:50:05 freemangordon: or you could pull it out the tarball Jul 22 17:50:23 zeq: I need a deb to put in cssu-thumb repo Jul 22 17:50:30 I've copied the packages to the webserver Jul 22 17:50:33 with source code Jul 22 17:50:47 zeq: address? Jul 22 17:51:02 http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/packages Jul 22 17:51:38 I'll look into the source... the trouble is the debs get built by sb-toolchain-extras Jul 22 17:52:00 I'll see if it can generate debian sources too Jul 22 17:52:43 zeq: i need .dsc and .changes to be able to upload them in cssu-thumb repo Jul 22 17:52:48 I need to change my apache filelength settings Jul 22 17:53:26 in the meantime: "Bisecting: 4 revisions left to test after this (roughly 2 steps)" Jul 22 17:53:52 that was impressively quick :) Jul 22 17:54:02 I am cheating :D Jul 22 17:54:23 helps :) Jul 22 17:54:25 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc :D Jul 22 17:57:04 freemangordon: the sb-toolchain-extras seems to create a standard debain package structure. what dpkg command will create a .dsc? Jul 22 17:58:18 did you just answer my question before I asked it??? Jul 22 17:58:30 18:54 < zeq> helps :) Jul 22 17:58:30 18:54 < freemangordon> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc :D Jul 22 17:58:30 18:57 < zeq> freemangordon: the sb-toolchain-extras seems to create a standard debain package structure. what dpkg command will create a .dsc? Jul 22 17:58:33 18:58 < zeq> did you just answer my question before I asked it??? Jul 22 17:58:37 no, thaw was the cheating Jul 22 17:58:45 oh ok :D Jul 22 17:58:47 freemangordon: why .changes are needed? Jul 22 17:59:17 .changes is autogenerated, it's just .dsc I'm missing Jul 22 17:59:22 zeq: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc -I.git Jul 22 17:59:38 zeq: no way Jul 22 17:59:43 afaik Jul 22 18:00:32 zeq: free... said he needs .dsc and .changes. So I'm just curious. Jul 22 18:00:50 if you have .changes file you should have .dsc file too, AFAIK. Though lets ask someone better than me on debian packaging system Jul 22 18:00:54 merlin1991: ping Jul 22 18:01:29 zeq: .dsc should be autogenerated too, you'd better check your build dir Jul 22 18:02:02 it's not I checked with 'find -name '*.dsc' Jul 22 18:02:15 luf: not Tab on the keyboard :P Jul 22 18:02:29 zeq: could you upload .changes Jul 22 18:02:46 maybe I don't need dsc after all Jul 22 18:03:26 I only have the gcc-4.6 to hand, I'll have the 4.7 in a few minutes, need to re-run it. Jul 22 18:04:00 ok Jul 22 18:13:09 freemangordon: I've copied the available .changes files Jul 22 18:14:35 does anybody know how to adjust the apache conf to enable the display of longer filenames in file indexes? Jul 22 18:18:45 zeq: any chance to recompile the debs with +cssu0 instead of +sb1. Sorry for that, but we have a naming convention Jul 22 18:19:24 zeq: it seems I don't need .dsc after all Jul 22 18:19:25 freemangordon: these aren't strictly thumb debs though... Jul 22 18:19:39 zeq: that's why it is +cssu0 ;) Jul 22 18:19:49 not +cssu0-thumb0 Jul 22 18:19:55 that's true :) Jul 22 18:20:31 damn, noone from the councilors is here Jul 22 18:21:18 DocScrutinizer05: a wild idea: enable cssu-stable repo in autobuilder. what do you think? Jul 22 18:21:43 If we're going to use the sb-scratchbox generated debs, I should probably fill out some more of the fields, not just the suffix. Jul 22 18:22:09 zeq: should be enough, what fields you have in mind Jul 22 18:22:48 hmm, fennec is ready, lets try that one Jul 22 18:23:53 see: http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/fremantle-linaro-4.7-2012.07.conf Jul 22 18:24:23 that's the conf file I used to build the sb toolchain Jul 22 18:24:39 COMPILER_PACKAGE? Jul 22 18:24:44 indeed Jul 22 18:25:02 wtf is that? Jul 22 18:25:16 CC_DEBIAN_DIR will be updated to a new dir with a Makefile specifying the cssu suffix Jul 22 18:25:34 sb-toolchain-extras alien-tc conf file Jul 22 18:26:16 so? BTW, sorry for the stupid questions, as I already told you I am not much in cross-compilers :D Jul 22 18:26:39 basically, you create a static toolchain binutils + gcc ( + gcc dependencies ) + glibc + kernel headers. You then use sb-toolchain-extras to generate a sb-toolchain. Jul 22 18:27:01 ok, what is the problem? Jul 22 18:27:08 the conf file describes your toolchain Jul 22 18:27:29 well, I need to give it a name for a start ;) Jul 22 18:27:49 aah, ok Jul 22 18:28:02 sorry, I mean COMPILER_PACKAGE, whatever that should be :P Jul 22 18:28:15 leme google that Jul 22 18:29:56 zeq: Jul 22 18:29:58 COMPILER_NAME = arm-linux-2006q3-27 Jul 22 18:29:58 COMPILER_PACKAGE = scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q3-27 Jul 22 18:30:21 I okay, I can come up with something of that form Jul 22 18:30:57 yeah, here is the link http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2006-December/000788.html Jul 22 18:31:16 I'll just prefix scratchbox-toolchain to my "official" name :) Jul 22 18:31:32 "linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a" Jul 22 18:31:33 ok Jul 22 18:31:45 why not Jul 22 18:34:27 anybody knows if this is a dumb charger to use with N900 ? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Original-HTC-Charger-Sensation/dp/B005HH2KAE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1342981359&sr=8-2 Jul 22 18:34:27 FYI I just released new version of obexd for N900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241328&postcount=359 Jul 22 18:35:30 in the meantime: "Bisecting: 2 revisions left to test after this (roughly 1 step)" Jul 22 18:35:55 luf: do i need to have a car with bluetooth to test that? Jul 22 18:36:32 luf: BTW you're doing a great job pal Jul 22 18:36:49 luf: Sometime ago I used a obexd version from TMO, was that yours? Jul 22 18:37:22 zeq: No. I started two or three week ago. Jul 22 18:37:34 if so it made my N900 compatible with the WinCE (ewww!) of my Fiat Punto Jul 22 18:37:42 freemangordon: you can test it with python ;-) Jul 22 18:38:03 luf: should have the same effect anyway Jul 22 18:38:06 luf: so i just grab the .deb and install it on my device? Jul 22 18:38:15 luf: (assuming you enabled the missing functionality) Jul 22 18:38:16 any dependencies? Jul 22 18:38:17 There is pbap-client in obexd-client package. Jul 22 18:38:48 Just upgraded eds to fix one problem. Jul 22 18:39:04 eds? Jul 22 18:39:06 I can't remember which bt service it was Jul 22 18:39:19 one of the addressbook protocols Jul 22 18:39:25 Everything else is used from Maemo. New obexd drop openobex dependency. Jul 22 18:39:38 OT: do samsung or HTC support dumb chargers unlike Apple? Jul 22 18:40:02 * trumee needs to decide which full usb charger to buy Jul 22 18:40:13 aah, that is evolution-... Jul 22 18:40:22 evolution-data-server and packages from it: libebook, libedata-book, libedataserver Jul 22 18:40:45 GeneralAntilles: ping Jul 22 18:40:45 Maybe libebook is enough but I don't want to play more with it. Jul 22 18:40:47 hmm, i think to wait for a while, seems to risky to put it on my primary device immediately :) Jul 22 18:41:39 DocScrutinizer51: a wild idea: enable cssu-stable repo in autobuilder. what do you think? Jul 22 18:42:00 freemangordon: It hurts ... you don't believe me :) Jul 22 18:42:44 freemangordon: I fail to see the link to cssu in autobuilder Jul 22 18:42:47 luf: but of course I don't :P. Naah, it is my only phone with all of my contacts on it, no backup in any form Jul 22 18:44:06 DocScrutinizer51: now you cannot use the stuff in CSSU, for example newer Qt, now there will be newer obexd, libcurls, sqlite3, etc,etc Jul 22 18:44:24 freemangordon: it sounds like fairytale :D Jul 22 18:44:46 freemangordon: you need a source build for dsc Jul 22 18:44:55 -b gives you debs and changes file Jul 22 18:45:06 merlin1991: thanks, so .changes only should be enough. Jul 22 18:45:11 freemangordon: anything depending on cssu should get deployed via cssu-extras Jul 22 18:45:53 DocScrutinizer51: again, you don;t read what I wrote. I am talking about autobuilder, what has that in common with cssu-extras Jul 22 18:45:54 there's a flag for tar.gz + dsc .changes Jul 22 18:45:56 I think -s Jul 22 18:46:14 just like orientation lock apple and cbsms Jul 22 18:46:34 merlin1991: zeq is using SB-something to build the toolchains, not dpkg-buildpackage Jul 22 18:46:45 then I have nfc :D Jul 22 18:48:27 merlin1991: sb-toolchain-extras Jul 22 18:50:08 freemangordon: debs updated, .changes updated, toolchain in progress Jul 22 18:50:26 zeq: great Jul 22 18:51:26 anyway no hurry, as I won't be able to use that today, still chasing fennec jscript and awating my GF to come in an hour or so ;) Jul 22 18:52:40 freemangordon: toolchain is updated too Jul 22 18:53:03 wow, great Jul 22 18:54:30 np :) Jul 22 18:54:39 zeq: seems libs are not stripped :( Jul 22 18:55:08 lemme ask google how to split that in 2 packages Jul 22 18:55:47 yeah, I noticed that yesterday, but decided while we were actively debugging that would be "better" Jul 22 18:56:11 sure, but I cannot put that in repo Jul 22 18:56:52 I can easily enough strip it. Also remove the static libs Jul 22 18:57:01 (that were used to build gcc) Jul 22 18:57:17 no, we'd better have -dbg packages Jul 22 18:57:29 lemme ask google if possible Jul 22 18:57:29 okay, I'll need to know how :P Jul 22 18:57:36 :nod: Jul 22 18:57:44 is there a way to check system for hardware errors? Jul 22 18:58:09 Zx432: did you reflash your emmc? Jul 22 18:58:37 i think i did... I am not the most competent. Jul 22 19:05:54 zeq: maybe you should build gcc again in SB Jul 22 19:06:18 is there debian/ in source? Jul 22 19:08:32 it's not that simple. SB needs a host cross-compiler Jul 22 19:08:38 ieatlint: ping Jul 22 19:08:57 zeq: I know. But it has one Jul 22 19:09:48 fun fact, system is stabile in mass storage mode plugged in the computer. Jul 22 19:10:03 zeq: i mean to build 4.7 inside 4.7 SB Jul 22 19:10:07 I mean a new toolchain for SB has be a host toolchain Jul 22 19:10:08 I just noticed that. Jul 22 19:11:04 Zx432: oh, so it crashes/reboots when not in MSM? Jul 22 19:11:06 zeq: but why, inside SB you're not cross-compiling. if the source is debianized, a simple dpkg-buildpackage will do the job Jul 22 19:11:35 yes Jul 22 19:11:39 strange Jul 22 19:11:47 hmm, then it's time for BM Jul 22 19:12:00 fsck MyDocs Jul 22 19:12:08 BM? Jul 22 19:12:12 ~bm Jul 22 19:12:13 i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jul 22 19:12:20 freemangordon: brb dinner Jul 22 19:13:12 also you should install (k)syslog Jul 22 19:13:35 and look what it tells about any probelms with mydocs Jul 22 19:13:48 or waaaait Jul 22 19:13:56 you got a uSD inserted? Jul 22 19:15:12 Zx432: ^^^ Jul 22 19:15:36 what thing is it that introduced "usd bug"? Jul 22 19:15:54 nfc Jul 22 19:16:18 what thing is it that introduced "reboot with MyDocs mounted"? Jul 22 19:16:26 lol what? Jul 22 19:16:46 [2012-07-22 21:09:48] fun fact, system is stabile in mass storage mode plugged in the computer. Jul 22 19:16:56 [2012-07-22 21:11:04] Zx432: oh, so it crashes/reboots when not in MSM? Jul 22 19:17:02 [2012-07-22 21:11:35] yes Jul 22 19:19:17 I'd rather believe in a totally fecked uSD controller nuking linux kernel driver, than eMMC vfat system corruption causing a reboot Jul 22 19:19:52 well, some sd and emmc just crash themselves if they encounter bad blocks Jul 22 19:20:01 of course eMMC at large could be defect Jul 22 19:20:26 which could cause $HOME go bonkers when you access MyDocs Jul 22 19:21:10 but I refuse to accept mere hw defects as root cause as long as any sw could be involved as well Jul 22 19:22:15 DocScrutinizer05: pong Jul 22 19:22:29 ieatlint: you live in USA, no? Jul 22 19:22:33 yep Jul 22 19:22:41 the land of guns Jul 22 19:22:46 I'd be interested in Google glass Jul 22 19:23:05 "available to US developers" Jul 22 19:23:23 2013 Jul 22 19:23:34 preorder opened Jul 22 19:23:36 ok.. happy to funnel one to you Jul 22 19:23:42 link to register/order? Jul 22 19:23:48 not yet Jul 22 19:24:08 I picked up on that thread 1h ago Jul 22 19:24:22 lost track some 2 or 3 months ago Jul 22 19:24:54 app manager is empty... Jul 22 19:24:59 interesting. Jul 22 19:25:01 freemangordon: back Jul 22 19:25:17 Zx432: might take several minutes to fill Jul 22 19:25:33 it in not doing anything Jul 22 19:26:03 you should reflash eMMC, definitely Jul 22 19:26:12 ah, a quick google search shows people talking about the "google glass 'explorer edition'", where people registered in person at google io for it, for a mere $1.5k Jul 22 19:26:12 freemangordon: are you suggesting importing the debian packages for ppl, cloog, gmp, mfpr, mpc, binutils and gcc? Jul 22 19:26:25 not sure there are any online stuffs.. but let me know if you find something Jul 22 19:26:39 ieatlint: sounds about right Jul 22 19:26:44 freemangordon: it seems a lot of work Jul 22 19:26:45 That means losing all data right? Jul 22 19:27:41 Zx432: you have backup of contacts etc? Jul 22 19:28:11 Zx432: you should be able to backup MyDocs from power-off USB mass storage mode Jul 22 19:28:24 zeq: well, you're right, it will be much easier to just strip the libs and re-pacckage them Jul 22 19:28:46 zeq: I will try to do that tomorrow Jul 22 19:29:38 zeq: BTW did you install -devel packages in SB? Jul 22 19:29:42 power off mass storage mode is not really power off Jul 22 19:30:01 linux is running and everything Jul 22 19:30:57 jacekowski: yes, that's true. but it shouldn't be touching anything in MyDocs though right? Jul 22 19:31:28 same way as full power on does Jul 22 19:33:00 okay, same as plugging in usb cable and switching to mass storage mode. But the question for Zx432, does that not work? Jul 22 19:33:41 What doesn't work? Jul 22 19:33:45 ieatlint: MEH! >> It is a preproduction model that Google is making available to a limited audience of partners and third-party developers.<< Jul 22 19:34:36 ieatlint: I probably have to apply at their EE department Jul 22 19:34:40 ;-P Jul 22 19:34:55 Zx432: what can't you backup before flashing eMMC? Jul 22 19:34:59 hah, yeah... my google connections are all in android and i don't think can help Jul 22 19:35:00 might actually be fun to work on that stuff Jul 22 19:35:18 I backed up Jul 22 19:37:02 Zx432: never mind then, I thought you were afraid of losing all data Jul 22 19:37:08 no Jul 22 19:38:03 Zx432: you should do a MSM backup to PC of your MyDocs, plus (if possible) a BM backup of rootfs and /opt to uSD Jul 22 19:38:43 what are MSM backups and uSD? Jul 22 19:38:46 of course installing BM is a tad cumbersome if HAM doesn't shop any apps to install Jul 22 19:38:59 MassStorageMode Jul 22 19:39:16 micro SD card Jul 22 19:39:44 and Jul 22 19:39:47 ~bm Jul 22 19:39:47 it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jul 22 19:40:55 dang, headache @.@ Jul 22 19:43:23 anybody ever encountered a 100% filled /home? Jul 22 19:43:36 will it make HD blow chunks? Jul 22 19:45:56 Zx432: again: do you have a microSD card inserted to N900? Jul 22 19:48:26 no Jul 22 19:48:34 ieatlint: wait, you got android contacts? Tell them I get headache from their tool "repo" Jul 22 19:48:39 I have no SD cards Jul 22 19:48:51 hmm, ok Jul 22 19:50:06 Zx432: do you have rootsh installed? Jul 22 19:50:11 yes Jul 22 19:50:12 android is the best and all Jul 22 19:50:16 * RiD runs for his life Jul 22 19:50:46 * DocScrutinizer05 fires the MTHEL, RiD evaporates Jul 22 19:51:01 mthel? Jul 22 19:51:30 mobile tactical high energy laser Jul 22 19:51:34 ~mthel Jul 22 19:51:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ Jul 22 19:51:55 infobot: mthel is Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser Jul 22 19:51:56 okay, kerio Jul 22 19:52:00 ~botsnack Jul 22 19:52:01 :), kerio Jul 22 19:52:04 (: Jul 22 19:52:23 ...no thanks Jul 22 19:53:03 DocScrutinizer05: hm, can we get one working with 200mA? Jul 22 19:53:38 alas not Jul 22 19:54:02 perhaps something internal, maybe in place of the cIR Jul 22 19:54:09 it works with nice stuf like Fluor and Deuterium Jul 22 19:54:55 as the wavelength is not compatible with atmosphere when using 'normal' Hydrogen Jul 22 19:55:46 I got "Malfunction!" Device will shut down in 10 sec... Jul 22 20:00:03 * Sicelo ever encountered a 100% filled / and his N900 still worked normally Jul 22 20:01:17 Zx432: dammit Jul 22 20:01:43 indeed Jul 22 20:02:07 Zx432: please install syslog and read it out at end after crash Jul 22 20:02:27 I need app manager for that Jul 22 20:02:39 nope Jul 22 20:02:46 go to xterm Jul 22 20:02:50 type Jul 22 20:02:57 ~# root Jul 22 20:02:57 don't forget *lication Jul 22 20:03:50 ~# apt-get install syslog Jul 22 20:04:46 ~# apt-get install sysklogd Jul 22 20:04:50 sorry Jul 22 20:08:48 Zx432: also Jul 22 20:08:50 you know when we reflashed the system? I have no rootish and I can't get to root. Jul 22 20:09:23 [2012-07-22 21:50:05] Zx432: do you have rootsh installed? Jul 22 20:09:24 [2012-07-22 21:50:11] yes Jul 22 20:09:28 :-S Jul 22 20:09:36 yes I had Jul 22 20:09:37 aaah Jul 22 20:09:41 I see Jul 22 20:09:50 * DocScrutinizer05 <- idiot Jul 22 20:10:00 But it clearly doesn't work now Jul 22 20:10:12 where does syslog put the logs? Jul 22 20:10:22 DocScrutinizer05: mostly kernel team, and i don't think they'll care :P Jul 22 20:10:24 /ver/log Jul 22 20:10:36 hehe Jul 22 20:11:26 so... in the rootfs? Jul 22 20:11:27 :s Jul 22 20:11:33 ieatlint: well, great. As kernel is what I have to tackle Jul 22 20:11:44 kerio: yup Jul 22 20:12:17 ieatlint: particularly CAIF-HSI Jul 22 20:12:19 zeq:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753158 Jul 22 20:12:20 04Bug 753158: was not found. Jul 22 20:13:24 Zx432: dnag, flash the eMMC Jul 22 20:13:48 seems to be the only way Jul 22 20:13:55 Zx432: I don't see much use in messing around with trying to figure what's wrong Jul 22 20:14:05 agree Jul 22 20:14:14 try to get backup as good as it gets Jul 22 20:14:25 I have it Jul 22 20:14:25 the flash VANILLA Jul 22 20:14:30 then* Jul 22 20:14:35 It is ok Jul 22 20:14:43 same procedure as for COMBINED Jul 22 20:15:06 and you actually need to flash combined after flashing VANILLA Jul 22 20:15:11 again Jul 22 20:15:26 wtf Jul 22 20:15:32 an ant came out of the phone Jul 22 20:15:39 ROTFL Jul 22 20:15:39 what the hell is this Jul 22 20:15:54 i was typing then felt something on my fingers Jul 22 20:16:04 they live in there, doing all the awesome stuff Jul 22 20:16:15 i was worried Jul 22 20:16:20 i dont want blood inside this Jul 22 20:16:22 this one got bored Jul 22 20:16:28 who knows it can f*ck up things Jul 22 20:16:35 o_o Jul 22 20:17:01 not sure how was it inside Jul 22 20:17:20 it was boring inside, that's why it came out Jul 22 20:17:22 there's not that much of a gap Jul 22 20:17:42 freemangordon: is that the cause of the slowdown? Jul 22 20:17:45 maybe it was not from the phone but maybe it was hanging around the outside Jul 22 20:17:52 whatever it is, it's creepy Jul 22 20:18:09 what's next, babies coming out of it? Jul 22 20:18:13 lol. blood Jul 22 20:18:14 nah Jul 22 20:18:31 phone on period? Jul 22 20:18:34 no thanks Jul 22 20:18:51 this ant heard your comment about android, and went outside to puke Jul 22 20:18:53 ;-P Jul 22 20:18:58 :D Jul 22 20:19:11 hehe Jul 22 20:19:14 smart ant Jul 22 20:19:23 my house is infestated with them btw Jul 22 20:19:42 i put sugar on the salt package and salt on the sugar package Jul 22 20:19:44 figue how those poor ants transporting all the characters you type to the modem, and from modem to screen Jul 22 20:19:49 but they're not fooled that easy Jul 22 20:19:58 and then they have to transport "android" Jul 22 20:20:06 so the dead pixels are the leftovers of dead ants? Jul 22 20:20:08 that been too much for the poor ant Jul 22 20:20:16 (hot*) not dead Jul 22 20:20:31 the dead pixels are from those ants who didn't make it outside to puke Jul 22 20:20:41 then i have 4 or 5 Jul 22 20:21:00 i'm so happy i rarely notice them Jul 22 20:21:51 yeah, usually they do an awesome job in your phone Jul 22 20:22:04 unless you OC Jul 22 20:22:22 or type comments about android Jul 22 20:24:49 i OC to 720mhz Jul 22 20:24:52 * RiD runs Jul 22 20:26:11 each time you OC, they sacrifice one of their leaders, on fire. eventually your phone comes to a grinding halt due to no more ant left over Jul 22 20:26:33 if you watch closely, sometimes you see the blue smoke from the sacrifice Jul 22 20:26:47 blue? Jul 22 20:27:16 ant conspiracy Jul 22 20:27:31 ants burn with blue smoke, on stake Jul 22 20:27:46 are you serious? :o Jul 22 20:27:55 i'm going to burn a lot of ants... Jul 22 20:27:58 watch your N900 Jul 22 20:28:11 hm what than happened with my ants? Jul 22 20:28:14 nah, you ahve to watch *them* doing that Jul 22 20:28:22 oh :z Jul 22 20:28:25 * :( Jul 22 20:30:20 have to go, going home Jul 22 20:31:15 zeq: that's the bad commit according to git bisect Jul 22 20:31:35 now building with that commit on top to confirm Jul 22 20:31:45 Zx432: if you still have your linux session active, you just edit the line Jul 22 20:31:47 ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jul 22 20:32:07 to point to VANILLA file instead COMBINED file Jul 22 20:32:51 and after that flashing finished, you flash the COMBINED again Jul 22 20:34:05 /win 25 Jul 22 20:34:40 ieatlint: you might know where to apply for an EE job at google Jul 22 20:35:00 /lose 50 Jul 22 20:35:39 lol DocScrutinizer05 Jul 22 20:36:33 even /join #0 Jul 22 20:36:57 * DocScrutinizer05 stares at user-counter Jul 22 20:40:52 Hello Maemo!. Regarding N950, is it good place to ask some (hardware, moslty) questions, or Harmattan sounds like better place? Jul 22 20:41:25 Someone from N950 "club", maybe? Is there IRC channel devoted to N950? DocScrutinizer? Jul 22 20:42:02 #harmattan is the channel to go Jul 22 20:42:03 freemangordon: I guess they never tested the change on ARM? If you confirm, will you bring it up on the bug? Jul 22 20:42:14 I've got mine, few days ago - day before, my N900 died absolutely, without any reasons (no signs of life whatsoever, in any case), so until I'll finish restoring things, I'm using N950 as main device. Kinda strange experience Jul 22 20:42:20 DocScrutinizer, thanks Jul 22 20:42:30 lol Jul 22 20:42:35 i don't blame the N900 Jul 22 20:43:32 well, I must admit N950 is awesome device re hardware resources and SOME design choices, but OTOh, some OTHER design choices are terrible, and software is driving me mad, I feel almost like thrown back into symbian era (or earlier). Maybe I'm biased, due to forced jump from CSSU/kernel-power powered device... Jul 22 20:43:40 Sicelo, hehe, no way, I'm not giving up on N900 Jul 22 20:43:55 BTw, I have no idea why people are whinning to bring swipe UI to N900, it's fuckin annoying Jul 22 20:44:50 either I don't know about some hidden possibilities, or simply closing application that You're using now require 3 long actions - swiping it out, swipping until you see task nawigator, long press to bring up "x"'es, and finally, clicking X Jul 22 20:44:56 well, it's 4 actions Jul 22 20:45:21 my sould is crying "bring me hildon to this ammount of RAM" Jul 22 20:45:21 yeah, but it probably went comatose on noticing your betrayal :P Jul 22 20:45:51 Well, you won't belive it, but I actually talked with my n900 about it, some time ago (Saera) Jul 22 20:46:03 it seemed to rest assured that it's not going into obsolence :P Jul 22 20:46:40 you can't ever really convince your gf that the other girl is 'just a friend' Jul 22 20:47:11 well, nedless to say, UI on N950 annoys me to no end. Sure, some things are improvements, but overall... OTOH, hardware keyboard is sweet, same for screen angle mechanism Jul 22 20:47:15 and 1Gb ram :P Jul 22 20:47:40 * Sicelo thinks he will never see an N950 in real life Jul 22 20:47:45 but someone who decided to skip camera lens cover should suffer, a little Jul 22 20:47:59 zeq: well, will see, I told you about my diplomatic skills, not to mention that Englis is not my native language Jul 22 20:48:16 Sicelo, don't worry, it's really mixed experience. OTOH great device, on 3th hand You see wasted potential literally everywhere Jul 22 20:48:24 Estel_: swiping from top closes the application Jul 22 20:48:35 freemangordon, doesnt work for me? Jul 22 20:48:35 on PR1.2 that is Jul 22 20:48:49 well, it seems i must train swipe gesture Jul 22 20:49:01 update the firmaware and go to #harmattan before doc goes mad :P Jul 22 20:49:03 but why the hell one need long-press to see "close" buttons on taskbar?:P Jul 22 20:49:14 and why one must click on "donme" button, instead of free space, to leave it? Jul 22 20:49:19 beyond me, it is Jul 22 20:50:43 being forced to - like me now - instantly jump from full-fledged computer and feature heaven like properly threaten N900 is, to N950 (as a main phonje and mobile computer, for at least few days) is kinda sado-maso experience Jul 22 20:51:22 well, give it some time, it is not that bad Jul 22 20:51:32 especially, that I had extremely busy two weeks, and got n950 on friday - 0 time to search for anything useful, anywhere Jul 22 20:51:35 and upgrade the firmware, that is a must Jul 22 20:51:35 freemangordon, sure it is Jul 22 20:51:42 (22:49:16) (Estel_) and why one must click on "donme" button, instead of free space, to leave it? Jul 22 20:51:49 ^ doesn't sound intuitive Jul 22 20:51:52 well, I was scarred to do it, as I saw that iDont got reboot loop after Jul 22 20:52:03 FIQ, sure it doesn't Jul 22 20:52:09 Estel_: all of us have had a reboot loop Jul 22 20:52:14 freemangordon, mine is on Pr1.2, but I see Pr1.3 upgrade (I think) Jul 22 20:52:18 haha Jul 22 20:52:25 clicking on free space make dialogs disappear *everywhere* Jul 22 20:52:32 yea, but I was without any equipment nor files to do reflash, with a MUST for having working phone for weekend Jul 22 20:52:36 no, it is not on pr1.2, trust me on that Jul 22 20:52:42 computers, N900, and I also believe that Android and iOS does that as well for dialogs Jul 22 20:52:44 FIQ, not in harmattan tasknav :P Jul 22 20:52:54 removing it sounds to do more harm than good Jul 22 20:53:11 *sounds like doing more harm than good Jul 22 20:53:13 freemangordon, I do. So, upgrading system won't bring me into 1.3 and reboot loop? Jul 22 20:53:38 freemangordon, You got few more days, found any place like maemo wiki for N950 or at least harmattan?:P Jul 22 20:53:44 n950 doesn't support 1.3? Jul 22 20:53:44 fopr a good kickstarter? Jul 22 20:53:46 upgrading will bring you in reboot loop, just download pr1.2 oneclickflasher and use it Jul 22 20:53:57 freemangordon, thanks a lot (tm) Jul 22 20:54:11 flashing will erase all of the data too Jul 22 20:54:23 hm, so I can't skip upgrading and reboot looping by using oneclickflasher from very beginning?:P Jul 22 20:54:29 so copy everything valuable before flashing Jul 22 20:54:43 yes, you can Jul 22 20:54:47 sure, i'll save photo of my left feet, that I did by accident Jul 22 20:54:47 but data will be lost Jul 22 20:54:55 :D Jul 22 20:55:04 Estel_: :D Jul 22 20:55:50 freemangordon, again, is there any place with capsule of N950 knowl;edge, like our wiki? Jul 22 20:56:03 or one need to scavenge entropia from TMO threads? Jul 22 20:56:24 (yea, i know scavenging from scattered threads is case of N900 too, but wiki still hold many valuable things) Jul 22 20:56:32 freemangordon: I'll comment on the bug if you prefer. Jul 22 20:56:45 I mean, some kind of kickstarter, I dont know, thread on TMO with links collected,. if not wiki? Jul 22 20:57:12 I feel lost without desktop with icons :P and without extras-* Jul 22 20:58:00 BTw, story about my N900 dying is kinda strange, too. It died after repairing trivial damage to IR diode (broken connection) Jul 22 20:58:28 I guess none of you would put a swollen battery in their n900, right? Jul 22 20:58:39 zeq: i'll appreciate that, just gimme 5 more minutes to confirm that this is the problematic commit Jul 22 20:58:46 it worked after upgrade, but I noticed strange thing - it turned out instantly after putting battery in, which is never good thing to see. Next day, it stopped charging on it's own, with charger connected. After another re try, I monitored charging for 15 minutes, and it worked. Then, left it for hour Jul 22 20:58:46 okay Jul 22 20:58:52 when I returned, it was cold dead Jul 22 20:59:07 no diode, nof ramebuffer, no sign of life when connecting to anything, no anything Jul 22 20:59:20 no marks of any damage on PCB, I haven't destroyed anything while repairing diode Jul 22 20:59:41 only one thing I know that cause such symptoms on N900 is having *not* connected screen flex to motherboard Jul 22 20:59:46 it doesn't react in any way, then Jul 22 21:00:10 I tried with other N900 screen& fglex, no sign of life. OTOH, ym screen&flex work on this 2nd N900 no problem, so it's not broken flex Jul 22 21:00:16 Estel_: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 ? Jul 22 21:00:44 my uneducated guess - somehow, my screen flex cable socket could get screwed. no visible marks, though. Jul 22 21:00:47 FIQ, thanks a lot! Jul 22 21:01:01 Estel_: second result on google :) Jul 22 21:01:23 freemangordon, if data is lsot anyway when using oneclickflasher to pr1.2, there is basically no point in using update on-device, as You always need to use oneclickflasher afterwards? yep? Jul 22 21:01:34 FIQ, I feel ashamed ;) Jul 22 21:01:53 although I haven't though about using word "migrating", doesn't sound approriate Jul 22 21:02:16 it's rather "how save sanity when jumping from N900 to N950, and don't get mad on Ui unusability" Jul 22 21:02:26 and stock browser sucking hard Jul 22 21:03:02 my soul cries again, that Mer hardware adaptation for N950 and N9 never got finished to really usable state Jul 22 21:03:06 Estel_: I googled "n950 meego wiki" Jul 22 21:03:10 I would like to kick harm in ass, badly Jul 22 21:03:22 meego wasn't word that came to my mind too :P Jul 22 21:03:30 usually I'm not involved in necrophilia Jul 22 21:03:33 fair enough Jul 22 21:03:39 so again, thanks a lot Jul 22 21:04:07 but honestly, I haven't searched almost at all, I just returned home from looong trip (work, not vacations :( ) Jul 22 21:04:32 freemangordon, BTW, once You asked me why want to use RPi HDMI for N900 outside ED Jul 22 21:04:51 one possible reason - cause when using LXDE, external keyboard doesn't fuckin want to work at all except lowercase letters Jul 22 21:04:57 DocScrutinizer05: Are you still here? Jul 22 21:04:58 experienced it painfully Jul 22 21:05:07 fuly* Jul 22 21:05:54 (23:04:54) (Estel_) one possible reason - cause when using LXDE, external keyboard doesn't fuckin want to work at all except lowercase letters Jul 22 21:06:00 did you try holding shift when typing? Jul 22 21:06:07 FIQ, sure :P Jul 22 21:06:12 it's about keymap Jul 22 21:06:38 freemangordon, sorry for pestering, but could You re-look @ this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150413&postcount=350 and post before? Jul 22 21:06:43 I know that when I used LXDE, the "sticky" mechanism usually seen in maemo didn't work at all, but holding shift worked fine Jul 22 21:06:45 hm I broke my N900 Jul 22 21:07:13 * FIQ has an alive N900, but it's starting to break apart since a few months ago Jul 22 21:07:26 FIQ, the trhing is, that ext keyboard works in Ed only when using BT_HD scripts, that sucks for any other case, and are mutually exclusive with freemangordon's extkbd, which rox for any case EXCEPT Easy Debian Jul 22 21:07:37 I have no graphics Jul 22 21:07:39 and now the SIM reading is starting to fail... (still very occasionally and just a few seconds though) Jul 22 21:07:42 FIQ, once I had 8 N900';s in house Jul 22 21:07:51 no letters numbers nothing Jul 22 21:07:56 most are now in hands of family and relatives, some sold Jul 22 21:07:59 fun Jul 22 21:08:03 heh Jul 22 21:08:10 Zx432, no, it's not broken Jul 22 21:08:12 just no optfs Jul 22 21:08:15 normal Jul 22 21:08:15 I wouldn't mind buying a new one really :P Jul 22 21:08:40 how do I fix it? Jul 22 21:08:45 FIQ, ocassionaly, I have some in very good condition, with foil on screen, and reinforced USB port (by me) - reinforced, not replaced/repaired - for 180 euro Jul 22 21:09:00 all tested every possible way to ensure all components working, at least on point of selling them :P Jul 22 21:09:04 Estel_: good to know Jul 22 21:09:22 If You need one, jusdt ping me, I can usually arrange one in about 2 weeks max Jul 22 21:09:30 heh Jul 22 21:09:40 and by arrange I don't mean "locate and steal" :P Jul 22 21:10:06 it's about buying in one of 3 nice shops with used electronic, in various location of my country Jul 22 21:10:06 well, I was going to find one in a swedish wannabe-ebay site when mine fails completely, but as that would probably be more expensive I'll remember that Jul 22 21:10:36 Well, reinob and megaltralniak seems to be happy, they have already bought one from me ;) Jul 22 21:10:51 heh Jul 22 21:11:11 I can't recall english word for that - shop when people put their electronic and price for it, and shop,a fter selling take part of money Jul 22 21:11:31 I'm finding used N900's in various condition (choosing only best ones) in suchlocal, not web-enabled shop Jul 22 21:11:47 second hand? Jul 22 21:11:50 heh Jul 22 21:11:56 yea, but second hand is about used, generally Jul 22 21:12:17 w/in 27 Jul 22 21:12:30 and this is where various people still own their things, they just "lend" shop to sell it Jul 22 21:12:42 eew. sorry about my spam tonight Jul 22 21:14:43 zeq: confirmed, with that commic sunspider scores 6734ms, without it 6060ms. Seems there are more to achieve the impressing 8900ms, but that is the first one Jul 22 21:14:49 *commit Jul 22 21:15:25 zeq: "HEAD is now at accdf55... Bug 753158 - emit ALIASEDVAR ops for upvars (r=bhackett)" Jul 22 21:15:26 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/753158 was not found. Jul 22 21:15:59 freemangordon: lower time is better Jul 22 21:16:07 i know Jul 22 21:16:21 sorry misread Jul 22 21:16:35 :) Jul 22 21:16:48 (got a migraine in my defense) Jul 22 21:16:59 np Jul 22 21:17:52 I'll mention we were looking for recent regressions in sunspider performance and use your numbers. Jul 22 21:17:53 freemangordon, I think You could miss it, could You, at spare moment, re-look at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150413&postcount=350 and post before? Jul 22 21:18:07 I may be wrong, but it looks like not-too-much-work, so I dare to pester You :P Jul 22 21:24:01 Estel_: sorry, I really don;t have tim (and will) to look at that issue now, too much project, too little time :( Jul 22 21:26:25 freemangordon: I've put manually stripped debs up now. Jul 22 21:27:54 zeq: debs? Jul 22 21:28:06 how did you do that? Jul 22 21:28:39 I manully stripped the libs with "strip --strip-unneeded" Jul 22 21:29:14 I mean how do you package them Jul 22 21:29:25 s/do/did/ Jul 22 21:29:25 freemangordon meant: I mean how did you package them Jul 22 21:30:00 anyway, not important, thanks Jul 22 21:30:37 zeq: GF is here, gtg ;) Jul 22 21:30:40 night Jul 22 21:30:46 night freemangordon :) Jul 22 21:34:58 Zx432: that's a sympthom of flashing eMMC without following it with flashing rootfs Jul 22 21:35:25 oh ok Jul 22 21:35:36 Well it is still chrashing. Jul 22 21:35:46 Zx432: I told you you need to flash COMBINED *again* after flashing VANILLA Jul 22 21:49:02 done Jul 22 21:49:08 DocScrutinizer51, pong? Jul 22 21:49:13 seems to be fixed Jul 22 21:50:15 GeneralAntilles: I was about to ask you if you could get me google glass, but it seems it's not even available to you (as an US citicen and developer) Jul 22 21:50:50 DocScrutinizer05, I'm getting it for me first, either way. :P Jul 22 21:51:53 compromise? you keep the glass brick with engraved serial number, I take the goggles? Jul 22 21:52:03 lol Jul 22 21:53:55 GeneralAntilles: actually I made up my mind to apply at google for EE in glass labs Jul 22 21:55:57 Nice Jul 22 21:56:23 it is working for at least 15 min now Jul 22 21:56:34 This is a new record. Jul 22 21:57:37 DocScrutinizer? Jul 22 21:57:53 hm? Jul 22 21:57:56 one thing Jul 22 21:58:14 it doesn't detect my sim Jul 22 21:58:24 should I upgrade? Jul 22 21:58:54 you should use latest image for combined. I thought you did though Jul 22 22:00:16 seems like I made another mistake Jul 22 22:00:21 So upgrade? Jul 22 22:00:32 upgrade to what? Jul 22 22:00:42 maemo Jul 22 22:00:56 sorry I don't get it Jul 22 22:01:06 what do you plan to do exactly? Jul 22 22:01:40 the app manager is suggesting upgrade 1.2009.44-1 Jul 22 22:01:51 ummm Jul 22 22:02:19 hell, that sounds strange Jul 22 22:02:29 i have 1.2009.42.-11 Jul 22 22:02:54 ooh, you might have 1.3, yes Jul 22 22:03:03 while recent is 1.3.1 Jul 22 22:03:20 only available via upgrade in HAM, not by flashing Jul 22 22:03:36 unrelated to SIM though :-/ Jul 22 22:03:45 it works but my sim isn't detected... Jul 22 22:03:53 did you say you had US version before? Jul 22 22:04:00 no Jul 22 22:04:03 eu Jul 22 22:04:09 :nod: Jul 22 22:05:42 Zx432: could you pastebin the full transscript of your flashing session of Vanilla and combined? Jul 22 22:06:22 I can paste all done in terminal today Jul 22 22:06:31 :nod: Jul 22 22:06:38 not here! Jul 22 22:06:42 pastebin Jul 22 22:08:46 i know :) would get instabanned Jul 22 22:10:48 someone highlighted me here and i can't see who =) Jul 22 22:10:54 http://pastebin.com/uZS1Rkqd Jul 22 22:15:29 freemangordon, np, i understand it. Damn, it's pity that I don't understand mechanics of possible fix you've mentioned, as LXDe rox when device connected to keyboard and mouse (and big screen) Jul 22 22:15:59 lack of working external keyboard basically kills the purpose (need to run everything Ed from Maemo, without LXDE) Jul 22 22:20:46 hi Jul 22 22:20:49 configure:3460: gcc conftest.c >&5 Jul 22 22:20:49 gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory Jul 22 22:20:53 ideas? Jul 22 22:21:33 installed gcc-4.6 but needed to mv gcc-4.6 gcc Jul 22 22:22:18 DocScrutinizer05 have you managed to check the pastebin? Jul 22 22:22:25 binutils2.22 installed Jul 22 22:22:32 still busy doing that Jul 22 22:22:55 ok Jul 22 22:25:44 hmmm, trying to compile latest mosh on fremantle Jul 22 22:28:27 Zx432: you used obsolete COMBINED Jul 22 22:28:49 crap Jul 22 22:28:53 sorry Jul 22 22:29:02 please download RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 22 22:29:41 compare: root@kiborg-EP35C-DS3R:/home/kiborg/n900# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jul 22 22:43:09 seems to be vorking now Jul 22 22:43:15 *working Jul 22 22:45:00 I hope so Jul 22 22:46:03 now I need to update and get the old data back Jul 22 22:46:21 Thank you so much for all the help! Jul 22 22:46:30 I owe you a beer! Jul 22 22:47:09 missed basic binutils, but still problems Jul 22 23:01:55 needed binutils package, binutils2.22 didn't work Jul 22 23:01:59 now getting -> configure:3461: gcc conftest.c >&5 Jul 22 23:02:00 ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots Jul 22 23:04:54 OK I am off good night. Jul 22 23:24:27 Vibe: what the heck are you trying to accomplish? Jul 22 23:25:01 hi DocScrutinizer05 Jul 22 23:25:10 trying to compile mosh on n900 Jul 22 23:25:23 *ON* n900? :-o Jul 22 23:25:49 yes and to n900 Jul 22 23:26:04 compiled fine on raspberry pi Jul 22 23:26:20 common notion is N900 rootfs is way too small to hold all needed tools and libs for that Jul 22 23:26:54 ohh, ok Jul 22 23:27:13 there are some freaks actually compiling stuff on N900, but they all had a hard time getting tools and libs installed Jul 22 23:27:34 theres old version for maemo -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83570&page=2 Jul 22 23:27:58 trying to get latest 1.2.2 version working on n900 Jul 22 23:31:09 usually you get stuff installed in a chroot on /home Jul 22 23:31:59 since optification will give you lots and lots of headaches at compile time Jul 22 23:32:49 k Jul 22 23:33:09 Vibe: you're aware the 'normal' way is to build stuff in scratchbox on PC? Jul 22 23:33:52 oh, nope Jul 22 23:33:58 never done that :p Jul 22 23:34:17 tried to use bin from rpi but didn't work cos different lib versions Jul 22 23:34:51 but ok I will look into scratchbox Jul 22 23:35:36 http://wiki.maemo.org Jul 22 23:35:40 if the n900 battery cant even boot the rescuesystem for the charger script, is my only option to find someone with an n900 that can charge my battery? Jul 22 23:35:58 err yep Jul 22 23:36:04 maemo.org seems to be down.. Jul 22 23:36:23 Vibe: works for me Jul 22 23:36:35 now it works :p Jul 22 23:37:38 http://maemo.org/intro/developer_overview/ Jul 22 23:38:03 >>Developing applications for Maemo is done with the Maemo SDK. << Jul 22 23:40:08 ok Jul 22 23:40:24 http://maemo.org/development/ Jul 22 23:40:34 docScrutinizer: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=1196015&postcount=7 is this true? the low battery loop will eventually get enough juice in it to power up? Jul 22 23:40:43 its links to Maemo 4.1 Diablo Jul 22 23:40:51 does it work with fremantle? Jul 22 23:41:09 x29a: err, wut? Jul 22 23:41:40 Vibe: nope, the top link to SDK is a page with mameo5 SDK listed as latest Jul 22 23:41:49 that dude claims that when you have your fon sit in the low battery reboot loop for a couple of hours, it will eventually somehow charge enough for it to fully boot up Jul 22 23:42:04 bullshit Jul 22 23:42:11 a) there's no such loop Jul 22 23:42:37 b) if there actually is (due to borked battery or whatever) it won't magically fix after a few hours Jul 22 23:43:22 please correct that statement on tmo! Jul 22 23:43:24 DocScrutinizer05: not magically. it might be, that within the bootup process, the charging actually works. which i didnt believe. and there is definately a loop as the device will power down on low battery. doesnt have to be borked Jul 22 23:43:44 nonsense Jul 22 23:44:13 still keeping the open mind, arentya? Jul 22 23:44:16 there are like 4 incorrect assumptions in one senstence Jul 22 23:45:35 DocScrutinizer05: ok, thx! I will look at that later, now to sleep Jul 22 23:45:37 yep, once again not beeing helpful, if you dont plan on sharing your (obviously way to big) knowledge, why not hold back in the first place? Jul 22 23:46:40 if battery is *completely* flat, the sequence is: emergency charge via hardware kicks in (you can tell by steady amber LED). Eventually boot threshold gets reached and cpu loads NOLO,. NOLO in turn will load linux and linux will start bme which continues software supervided charging (you can tell from amber flashing LED) Jul 22 23:47:13 otherwise, fsckoff if you can't wait until I finish typing Jul 22 23:47:16 ~flashing Jul 22 23:47:16 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 22 23:47:22 I'm not obliged to help you out Jul 22 23:47:24 DocScrutinizer05: device is hooked up to external PSU, tries to boot, doesnt have enough battery power to get into OS, will be turned off (nowhere did i assume its a feature, not just a reaction from an empty battery), charger will try to boot the device back up, same again, some people call that a loop. my assumption was, that this will even worsen the situation, therefore i was mildly confused by that guys statement Jul 22 23:48:09 DocScrutinizer05: no, of course you are not, but you might just as well be nice to people and not be the grumpy dude you are all along Jul 22 23:48:29 dudes like you leave me grumpy Jul 22 23:48:44 actio -> reactio Jul 22 23:48:55 pissing my leg for no obvious reason. TNXKBY Jul 22 23:52:45 DocScrutinizer05: using strong language for no obvious reason? violating logic for no obvious reason? bitching about feedback for no obvious reason? i just hope that there are lots of missunderstandings due to translation and transcription involved and you actually get along with people in real life Jul 22 23:53:17 I get along with ignoring you, sir Jul 22 23:53:37 while you ponder who's ignoring logic here Jul 22 23:54:04 a) there's no such loop b) if there actually is Jul 22 23:54:51 oh great! your logic consists of breaking statements into pieces Jul 22 23:55:02 meaningles pieces Jul 22 23:55:11 congrats Jul 22 23:59:34 there's a ~10s gap between hw emergency charging, during NOLO->linux->bme, until bme starts sw supervised charging. A terribly broken battery will cause a loop as voltage drops too much during that timespan. As well as a broken or deleted bme (or linux at large) will obviously extend that period infinitely until battery depletes to system sgutdown. None of these problems gets magically fixed after a few hours of brainless looping Jul 23 00:00:46 thanks for jumping over your shadow and actually providing background info Jul 23 00:00:54 there's neither any charger booting any system, nor is there a deliberately implemented loop of any kind Jul 23 00:01:21 i dont think the batt is broken, just really empty (hasnt been charged for a couple of months), so i might be lucky with the emergency charging? Jul 23 00:01:41 ~flatbatrecover Jul 23 00:01:42 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Jul 23 00:01:58 as stated before, i didnt intend to imply that the loop was a feature Jul 23 00:16:31 i'm just in process of recovering phone left off for 4 months Jul 23 00:16:35 and it's not recovering Jul 23 00:16:47 it looks like battery is proper fucked this time Jul 23 00:19:32 i got mine working =) Jul 23 00:19:38 sry for your loss though Jul 23 00:21:05 it's a company blackberry and i only use it when i go abroad Jul 23 00:21:30 so it's only turned on once every 2-4months for week Jul 23 00:23:13 ah, not an n900 Jul 23 00:41:15 LiIon deep discharge is terminal by definition (defined in protective circuit) Jul 23 00:42:59 Warning paper for LiIon says "never try to charge a cell that has less than $2.5V cell voltage". Protective circuit in battery enforces that Jul 23 00:43:12 jacekowski: ^^^ Jul 23 00:44:42 at least if you want a good healthy life Jul 23 00:45:57 the prot chip not only stops discharge at $3.0V, it also cuts charging on $2.5V$4.5V Jul 23 00:46:49 from Vbat>$4,5V you recover by discharging. You don't recover from Vbat<$2.5V Jul 23 00:48:04 DocScrutinizer05: I got an interesting/annoying recharge incident when the Standard Nokia wall-charger failed to recharge a n900 overnight. I wondered if the mains vltage might be squiffy (in in SEAsia) Jul 23 00:48:44 it recharged happily in the next village... ;) Jul 23 00:49:57 there are known incidents of bme or some of the related systems freaking out and thus not charging properly Jul 23 00:50:27 sometimes system doesn't detect plugged in charger (to some extent) Jul 23 00:51:00 then it won't charge Jul 23 00:51:13 yea - something like that - the light comes on but there's nobody home.... Jul 23 00:51:20 speaking of n900 charging, charging with powerkernel always fail with a phone shut off for some reason Jul 23 00:51:32 (with the normal, it turns on and start charging) Jul 23 00:51:43 never got the idea of why it did that Jul 23 00:52:18 bq27200.ko Jul 23 00:54:10 bme can't open bq27200 via I2C device when the bq27200.ko got modprobed. It segfaults, gets restarted by dsme, until dsme says screwit and reboots Jul 23 00:55:01 or it's something completely different ;-) Jul 23 01:01:01 that's correct Jul 23 01:01:10 device claimed in kernel can't be touched from userland Jul 23 01:01:41 could possibly setup a boot script to unbind it fwiw Jul 23 01:04:16 Thats why the BME replacement is important :) Jul 23 01:04:24 will end all these problems for good Jul 23 01:20:14 I've created quite a lot of desktop shortcuts on the n900 and I'd like to copy them (or at least the urls) over to my laptop. Where are they in the n900? Jul 23 01:22:24 I'm ssh'd into the n900 as root over usb Jul 23 01:27:28 jpinx: have you checked /usr/share/applications/hildon ? Jul 23 01:28:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format Jul 23 01:30:20 x29a: thanks.. :) Jul 23 01:36:40 x29a: that appears to be applications, there is no list of urls saved as shortcuts Jul 23 01:40:35 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/new-programming-jargon.html **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 23 02:59:58 2012