**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 23 02:59:58 2012 Jul 23 03:26:34 ~flashing Jul 23 03:26:35 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 23 03:29:02 wow, more of this stuff is documented than I thought Jul 23 03:29:26 icd2-osso-ic-dev and osso-wlan-dev are very helpful :) Jul 23 07:38:42 pali: ping Jul 23 07:38:50 jonwil, pong Jul 23 07:39:18 no response from any of the various Nokia/Ex-Nokia addresses you emailed I take it? Jul 23 07:49:59 jonwil, bme dev wrote me that when he will be in work he ask about adcin0 temperature Jul 23 07:50:14 and from opensource request no answer.... Jul 23 07:52:14 ok Jul 23 07:54:10 you asked opensource guy about the prolog stuff right? Jul 23 07:57:42 jonwil, yes Jul 23 07:58:00 but I wrote that I think I'm on black/spam list Jul 23 07:58:01 ok Jul 23 07:58:12 it will be really usefull if somebody other send mail too... Jul 23 07:58:24 (mail from different FROM) Jul 23 08:17:56 I take it you had no luck getting the browser guys to share the browser UI code? Jul 23 08:30:02 jonwil, problem is that he cannot publish browser ui code without nokia... Jul 23 08:30:40 hmmm yeah :( Jul 23 08:34:02 but browser-ui code does not have IPR stuff... Jul 23 08:34:22 IPR? Jul 23 08:34:24 ~ipr Jul 23 08:34:54 infobot, ping Jul 23 08:34:54 ~pong Jul 23 08:35:02 infobot, ipr Jul 23 08:35:19 infobot, IPR is Intellectual Property Rights Jul 23 08:35:19 Pali: okay Jul 23 08:35:53 you mean that browser-ui is unencumbered by 3rd party IP nokia doesn't own the rights to Jul 23 08:35:54 ? Jul 23 08:36:33 no, browser ui is IP free code Jul 23 08:40:49 freemangordon: good, but strange news. qt4-x11 builds fine now with the more agressive flags I used to build fennec!?! Interestingly, QML seems to be even faster. Jul 23 08:43:01 with linaro-4.7 I mean Jul 23 08:55:44 zeq: hmm, maybe we can think of some benchmarking Jul 23 09:01:04 freemangordon: I don't know if you installed any of the packages I made yesterday, but I've rebuilt them after I realised the debhelper utilities I was using were the debian-etch devkit versions, and it wasn't apparently correctly creating/storing the libarary dependencies in the .deb. Jul 23 09:01:36 * zeq curses Jul 23 09:01:54 that hasn't solved it :S Jul 23 09:02:48 I didn't use any .deb Jul 23 09:03:31 freemangordon: can you help? What I said above was true, but... I noticed about the devkit deb tools after I tried to build a package and it said dh_clean couldn't handle above version 5. Jul 23 09:04:03 So I removed the devkit from the list and tried again with the version installed in scratchbox. Jul 23 09:04:15 That solved that problem, but introduced another. Jul 23 09:06:41 Now I can't build qt4-x11 against libstdc++ because I get an error from dpkg-shlibdeps about no dependency information: Jul 23 09:08:23 * zeq is rebuilding qt4-x11 to get the exact error message Jul 23 09:10:42 zeq: the goal is to update the build system? Jul 23 09:12:18 StyXman_: As I said ^^ my scratchbox was using debian-etch devkit, but that didn't handle a package I tried to build (debhelper too old) Jul 23 09:13:21 StyXman_: as I have the SDK versions installed, I tried removing the devkit, and using the installed debian versions of the build tools. Jul 23 09:13:37 s/debian/maemo/ Jul 23 09:13:38 zeq meant: StyXman_: as I have the SDK versions installed, I tried removing the devkit, and using the installed maemo versions of the build tools. Jul 23 09:14:13 ah, ok Jul 23 09:14:44 they're both old, anyways Jul 23 09:14:51 (AFAIK) Jul 23 09:15:29 well, that solved the immediate problem, but introduced a new one Jul 23 09:19:55 if it doesn't hurry up and finish I might run out of time (my sister is getting married this afternoon!) Jul 23 09:23:33 zeq: congrats Jul 23 09:23:52 (or whatever you say in your place :) ) Jul 23 09:24:46 freemangordon: thanks! :D Jul 23 09:30:54 dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (used by debian/libqt4-core/usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.7.4). Jul 23 09:30:56 dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512 Jul 23 09:30:59 make: *** [binary-predeb-IMPL/libqt4-core] Error 1 Jul 23 09:41:36 zeq: did you install -devel package? Jul 23 09:42:34 zeq: actually both libstdc++.deb and libstdc++-devel.deb? Jul 23 09:43:48 freemangordon: I thinbk it wouldn't compile otherwise Jul 23 09:51:45 freemangordon: I'm pretty sure I did :S Jul 23 09:52:03 this worked with the devkit Jul 23 09:57:06 yes it is installed Jul 23 10:12:51 okay, still just about here. What provides shlib dependencies? is it something that should be set in the debain/rules for gcc? Jul 23 10:13:27 if only the cellular services daemon was as well documented as the internet connectivity daemon Jul 23 10:17:50 I guess I need to add a call to dpkg-shlibdeps into the sb-toolchain system Jul 23 10:20:18 right, I'm off now, see you tommorow guys! Jul 23 10:53:46 got a little more time, gf taking a while with her hair :P Jul 23 10:57:10 ./cc/gcc-4.7-linaro/work/gcc-4.7/debian/libstdc++6/DEBIAN/shlibs Jul 23 10:57:31 ^ so it should have shlibs...? Jul 23 10:57:44 (dependencies) Jul 23 11:00:56 the rules file includes: dh_makeshlibs -plibstdc++6 -V 'libstdc++6 (>= $(SB_VER))' Jul 23 11:24:33 ping freemangordon Jul 23 11:46:11 I think I've worked it out. dpkg-makeshlibs is failing when it finds the gdb.py file but that's apparently not fatal. Jul 23 11:46:33 it should only be in the dbg deb anyway. Jul 23 12:00:55 Pali: pong Jul 23 12:01:28 freemangordon, kp51 is in -devel but has bug which cause rmmod bq2415x_charger to reboot device Jul 23 12:01:40 I will try to fix it and push new version Jul 23 12:02:16 ok :). after all a victory over autobuilder worths several reboots :D Jul 23 12:02:39 driver is by default blacklisted Jul 23 12:02:59 so I found it after disabled new usb host mode Jul 23 12:03:13 also what about creating new project on gitorious "bme-rx51-replacement" and push here all code about bme & hostmode? Jul 23 12:07:09 Pali: feel free to create it, add me as an developer here. I will push libbmeipc and hald-addon-bme later on Jul 23 12:07:19 ok Jul 23 12:07:23 s/here/there/ Jul 23 12:07:24 freemangordon meant: Pali: feel free to create it, add me as an developer there. I will push libbmeipc and hald-addon-bme later on Jul 23 12:08:06 Pali: or you can push it too, all the code is in my repo Jul 23 12:09:50 whew, i'm on the good side of the split Jul 23 14:49:01 Afternoon, all Jul 23 14:49:17 Welcome back, Jaffa. Jul 23 14:51:51 sup GeneralAntilles & Jaffa Jul 23 15:07:55 GeneralAntilles: Weirdness with my machine running etherpad seem to have been resolved. Jul 23 15:08:46 So I see. Jul 23 15:10:58 GeneralAntilles: But I'm swamped at work :-( Jul 23 15:12:02 Jaffa, I got it. Jul 23 15:12:15 GeneralAntilles: Ta Jul 23 15:23:08 Jaffa: you end up having issues as well? Jul 23 15:26:45 teotwaki: The process was running amok, but lots of other processes on the machine were too (other Java processes, Ruby, ...) Jul 23 15:27:02 teotwaki: Upgrading some things, playing with some config files and a reboot seem to have helped Jul 23 15:28:44 Jaffa: how much are you paying for your server? Jul 23 15:28:47 and how big is it? Jul 23 15:31:59 teotwaki: It's 72gbp per month (split 9 ways). AMD Athlon II X2 240e (2 cores at 2.8GHz), 2GiB RAM, 2 x 500GB 7.2kRPM SATA discs Jul 23 15:32:18 78, sorry Jul 23 15:32:32 cool :) Jul 23 15:32:38 I got myself a little one from kimsufi Jul 23 15:33:29 dual core atom CPU (so not very gutsy or anything), 2GB RAM, 1TB HDD (no idea of disk speed), unlimited 100Mbit/s up/down link. Jul 23 15:33:34 18euro/month Jul 23 15:33:42 Jaffa, when is it going to attempt to publish next? Jul 23 15:45:54 GeneralAntilles: On the hour Jul 23 15:46:18 Jaffa, if I have one LeadIn with ... I'm OK, though, right? Jul 23 15:46:45 GeneralAntilles: Correct. Or an incorrect section Jul 23 15:46:52 GeneralAntilles: Or an invalid username Jul 23 15:47:08 GeneralAntilles: So I tend to do Section=frontx to temporarily disable publishing Jul 23 15:47:21 OK, I'm going to go with section=jaffa4tsg Jul 23 15:47:35 :) Jul 23 15:49:56 teotwaki: wait, what Jul 23 15:49:59 :Q_______ Jul 23 15:51:02 teotwaki: so it's basically like a really good seedbox Jul 23 15:55:12 kerio: well, I use it for that as well Jul 23 15:55:18 i want one Jul 23 15:55:21 :c Jul 23 15:55:44 but the UK scares me Jul 23 15:55:49 It's in France. Jul 23 15:55:50 http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/ Jul 23 15:55:57 hadopi Jul 23 15:56:00 :C Jul 23 15:56:01 not a problem Jul 23 15:56:14 Hadopi states that the 3 strikes law only applies to internet connections Jul 23 15:56:26 and a server does not qualify. Jul 23 15:56:28 oh, neat Jul 23 15:56:30 :D Jul 23 15:56:34 I'm in France. Jul 23 15:56:42 And I've downloaded some 40Gigs in a week or so. Jul 23 15:56:45 Seeded nearly 1TB. Jul 23 15:57:34 Only Linux distributions, obviously... All the Debian CDs and DVDs... Jul 23 15:58:43 RX bytes:49302457076 (47.2 GiB) TX bytes:89992191135 (85.1 GiB) Jul 23 15:58:46 Sorry, 100GB. Jul 23 16:08:59 Has anyone compiled cryptopp on Maemo? Jul 23 16:12:01 Cryptoloop? Jul 23 16:12:24 crypto++ Jul 23 16:12:30 http://www.cryptopp.com/ Jul 23 16:12:32 ^ Jul 23 16:13:06 ShadowX: I remember doing so a very long time ago Jul 23 16:13:32 ShadowX: please note that even on an i5, if you use an old gcc version, the linking process can take in excess of 40 minutes. Jul 23 16:13:33 Got the package anywhere ? Jul 23 16:13:49 nope, just compiled from source, probably flashed the phone on which I did it also Jul 23 16:13:50 ye ye ...i was compiling it on my n900 :D think how much time it took :D Jul 23 16:13:55 and in the end it failed :P Jul 23 16:13:58 it did? Jul 23 16:14:00 why? Jul 23 16:14:12 mm sec, i'll pastebin it Jul 23 16:14:50 (I have to compile cryptopp nearly twice a day on debian sarge...) Jul 23 16:15:21 http://pastebin.ca/2174081 Jul 23 16:15:46 haha Jul 23 16:15:53 yeah, you're stuffed. Jul 23 16:16:43 :D Jul 23 16:17:03 Try this patch to the GNUMakefile Jul 23 16:17:03 https://trac.macports.org/changeset/70964 Jul 23 16:25:02 nope :S Jul 23 16:25:12 compile fails again :/ Jul 23 16:27:15 kernel-power v51 (r1) is now in extras-devel, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 Jul 23 16:27:25 good Jul 23 16:28:42 cool :))) Jul 23 16:28:54 good indeed! Jul 23 16:30:22 btw is there anyway to make it possible to multitask on incomming calls ? Jul 23 16:30:39 on outgoing calls you can switch between apps , on incomming - not :( Jul 23 16:30:54 shortcutd? ctrl-backspace? Jul 23 16:30:56 you mean while it's ringing? Jul 23 16:31:03 kerio, yes. Jul 23 16:31:03 Jaffa, I think it's ready to go if you want to manually push it. Jul 23 16:31:14 ShadowX: just hang up Jul 23 16:31:22 people suck, anyway Jul 23 16:31:23 without hanging up :D Jul 23 16:31:27 +1 :D Jul 23 16:31:37 lol Jul 23 16:32:51 freemangordon, crtl+backspace don't work while the incomming call is on 'Ringing' phase. Jul 23 16:33:49 hmm, and what about shortcutd? could be something in hildon-desktop though, done by design Jul 23 16:34:21 I think the difference is that incomming call window is notification-like ,not separate window .... Jul 23 16:35:32 defullscreen it Jul 23 16:35:33 :) Jul 23 16:35:47 wmctrl -b toggle,fullscreen Jul 23 16:37:00 mmm....i gatta try this :) Jul 23 16:37:15 wmctrl -b toggle,fullscreen ? or ? Jul 23 16:38:05 wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -b toggle,fullscreen Jul 23 16:38:16 :ACTIVE: is a special window name that wmctrl uses to refer to the current window Jul 23 16:38:32 oh :D cool.... this will go into my dbus-scripts Jul 23 16:38:44 GeneralAntilles: Ta Jul 23 16:38:46 10q :) Jul 23 16:39:00 ShadowX: i have that executed by shortcutd on long press Jul 23 16:39:03 it's neat Jul 23 16:39:09 GeneralAntilles: "Unknown user: [x-fade]" ;-) Jul 23 16:39:11 GeneralAntilles: No dash. Jul 23 16:39:19 ^^ even better idea, so I can use it everywhere :) Jul 23 16:39:23 Boo Jul 23 16:39:25 I always forget. Jul 23 16:39:50 ShadowX: some applications get confused though Jul 23 16:40:02 so you end up with menu bar and no toolbar and/or viceversa Jul 23 16:40:07 which is useful, for microB Jul 23 16:40:28 i see. Okay. Thanks a lot, this is quite useful ! Jul 23 16:40:39 Witch brings me back to my cryptopp problem :/ Jul 23 16:49:39 my display get broken, have anyone an idea where i can get a working one (in central europe)? Jul 23 16:52:10 strohalm, ebay, your local wanna-be-ebay site, or some repair center? Jul 23 16:52:41 * jonwil is in the process of pulling together all known information about the various dbus things the N900 sends with the plan to create a wiki page collating all the information Jul 23 16:52:54 DocScrutinizer, or anyone knowledgeable enough about N900 hardware parts - could You, please, tell me what do you know abot screen's flat cable socket (this one in *motherboard* side, not plug)? Jul 23 16:53:28 I suspect, that my device might "die" totally, due to such socket being broken, but from looking, it doesn't look damaged at all Jul 23 16:53:44 okay when no special source exist i give ebay another try. the last time there where only stuff to be delivered with hongkong post Jul 23 16:53:47 I remember DocScrutinizer writing about some lame things in flat cable *plug* - i.e. flat cable squeezed there with solder joints... Jul 23 16:54:03 but, is there any thing that could get "invisibly" desoldered in flat cable socket on motherboard? Jul 23 16:54:36 problem definitely started after I've soldered broken connection (external one) on IR diode. Both sides of this diode are plates, connected to motherboard equivalents Jul 23 16:54:44 one of them was broken, thus no IR working. Jul 23 16:55:15 I've soldered this plate to whole again, and IR worked, as rest of device, but it started to show strange behavior immediately after fix Jul 23 16:55:50 I'm almsot sure I haven't destroyed anything, I was extra careful, but I was repairing it with 100W soldering iron without thermal regulation (trying to be blazing fast with touching). Nothing looked lie heated too much, but... Jul 23 16:56:53 device acted strangely, and next day just refused to show any sign of life. Only one situation, when I know N900 (without obviously being damaged by truck) acts like that, is when no flat cable is connected. I've filtered out possibility of broken flat cable or anything in screen slide module Jul 23 17:11:47 freemangordon, I'm trying to fix, at least in "ugly" way, this prblem with lxde and keyboard. Could You, please, tell me, why such dramatic changes to directories holding keyboard profiles, are needed for xkbd? Jul 23 17:11:57 I mean, that xkbd does backup, and then, replaces them Jul 23 17:12:55 if I try to use exact same files inside debian chroot (copied to /.debian/normal_poath_including_rx-51), N900's hardware keyboard doesn't workj properly (only lowercase letters), but external keyboard start to work, reportedly Jul 23 17:13:16 of course I could prepare scripts that backup and replace files on demand, but I'm searching for more conveinent way Jul 23 17:13:53 Estel_: because that is how I do a backup Jul 23 17:14:05 freemangordon, what exactly xkbd sets up in Hildon in order to use proper keyboard layout from definition files? Couldn't similar thing be done in xephyr? Jul 23 17:14:14 hm Jul 23 17:14:23 Estel_: nothing, all is setup through HAL Jul 23 17:15:20 I tried to investigate sources line by line, and I can't get how qole's bt hd scripts achieve that via setxkbmap without breaking other things, and how to replicate it in extkbd Jul 23 17:16:09 it's irrational, that those packages are exclusive, I mean that I can't find any reason why merging them into one program shouldn't work - yet, I can't find a way to preserve (better) extkbd with only adding part of bt hd scripts, that control lxde behavior Jul 23 17:16:37 any pointers? You seemed to have idea, just lack of time and will Jul 23 17:19:21 Estel_: forget about setxkbmap Jul 23 17:19:51 use HAL .fdi script, lemme try to find an example Jul 23 17:21:19 Estel_: BTW could you explain the problem once again, so I am in line Jul 23 17:21:28 Estel_, can you ask qgil about osso-backup and powertop? Jul 23 17:22:11 hm, what are levels 5 to 8 in the xkb map for languages like russian? Jul 23 17:23:08 Pali, I can't, as I'm not Councilor anymore. Ask current council, ok? sorry. Jul 23 17:23:49 freemangordon, problem is that, with extkbd, external keyboard works well in Maemo, but when inside Easy Debian's LXDE (or any desktop enviromnent, using xephyr), only lowercase letters work on external keyboard Jul 23 17:24:00 no numbers, no special characters, no uppercase letters Jul 23 17:24:13 Estel_, but qgil wrote that he inform you... Jul 23 17:24:46 Pali, I haven't had any message from qgil about that. Maybe he mean that he informs Council via council@maemo.org mail, but I don't have access to it anymore Jul 23 17:24:57 ok Jul 23 17:25:27 freemangordon, OTOH, qole's bt-hd scripts package makes external keyboard working on any case in easy debian's LXDE, but it sucks in any other case, compared to extkbd and extmou :) Jul 23 17:25:45 Pali, could You quote what qgil exactly wrote and where, about informing me? Jul 23 17:25:51 and when, it's most important question Jul 23 17:26:07 I'll gladly help to settle this missunderstanding Jul 23 17:26:09 Estel_: aah, ok. lemme check my ED with extkbd Jul 23 17:26:14 (just re-checked my mailbox and Pm box) Jul 23 17:26:21 freemangordon, sure Jul 23 17:26:37 thanks a lot for looking into this Jul 23 17:27:14 ok, I will write email to qgil Jul 23 17:27:38 Pali, if You remember when and what he exactly said, I can try to help too :) Jul 23 17:28:04 was it after Council's circus, or before? Jul 23 17:30:52 dafuq? My new 32 microSd SanDisk class 4 reports full disk immediately (before starting to copy files, actually), when I try to copy 27Gb into it (it reports 29,7 free), but smaller files go there without problem? WTFi, could someone sell me fake card with lower capacity? Jul 23 17:31:16 happens all the time Jul 23 17:31:17 space reserved for the superuser? \_o_/ Jul 23 17:31:33 beford: the system wouldn't *know* about it Jul 23 17:31:53 vfat formatted cards have limit of 128 files in the root directory of the card, and 2 gig limit per file Jul 23 17:31:55 yea, thats right, it would just corrupt the data or something Jul 23 17:32:01 it was ENOSPACE, not EIO Jul 23 17:32:20 I think its <4gb, but i could be wrong Jul 23 17:32:30 2g Jul 23 17:32:32 it's 2GiB Jul 23 17:32:45 signed arithmetic, ho! Jul 23 17:32:47 4g is for fat32 iirc Jul 23 17:32:59 i win Jul 23 17:33:02 ShadowJK, thanks, of course it's 4Gb file limit, I'm an idiot (someone told me that already, eh?) ;) Jul 23 17:33:04 :P Jul 23 17:33:09 (it's fat32 currently) Jul 23 17:33:56 BTw, ShadowJK, I wanted to send You log from charging You've requested, but I haven't managed to do it before my N900 died Jul 23 17:34:07 (it seems that it died due to things unrelated to charging with 1250) Jul 23 17:35:24 hm, apparently it's UINT32_MAX bytes Jul 23 17:35:34 so 4GiB - 1B Jul 23 17:36:44 freemangordon, tried to disassemble N950 already? Jul 23 17:40:08 no :D Jul 23 17:40:19 Estel_: setxkbmap bg -print | xkbcomp - :1 does the job somehow Jul 23 17:40:39 bg is for Bulgarion, replace it accordingly Jul 23 17:40:50 freemangordon, I try to figure this screw's type, it isn't torx apparently. Eh, time to download datasheets Jul 23 17:40:53 woooot? Jul 23 17:41:04 wait wait, setxkbmap from Maemo or inside chroot? Jul 23 17:41:09 Maemo Jul 23 17:41:38 0_o I knew what I do trying to pester You yesterday, instead of spending day trying to achieve this on my own :P Jul 23 17:42:02 :1 is xephir or whatever X server is called Jul 23 17:42:09 xephyr Jul 23 17:42:10 * Estel_ just hanged over his N900 to test it, just to notice, again, that device is dead... #$%$#R^ Jul 23 17:42:26 dead..battery? Jul 23 17:42:54 so just calling this one command from extkbd every time new keyboard is connected would fix it? (as long as ED is running) Or just after starting LXDE? Jul 23 17:42:59 any side effects noticed? Jul 23 17:43:06 RiD, dead as per cold dead device Jul 23 17:43:13 no signs of life whatsoever Jul 23 17:43:25 ouch Jul 23 17:43:25 no led, no framebuffer, no sign of life when connected to USB, no anything :( Jul 23 17:43:30 and no idea why so Jul 23 17:43:30 what did you dok Jul 23 17:43:36 repaired IR diode :D Jul 23 17:43:36 do? Jul 23 17:43:49 so ir works Jul 23 17:43:51 no seriously, it worked after that, but acted strangely. Jul 23 17:43:53 but device doesnt Jul 23 17:44:02 no, when it stopped to work next day, Ir doesn't work to0 :P Jul 23 17:44:06 haha Jul 23 17:44:07 Estel_: you should call that OUTSIDE extkbd, it is not extkbd's job to deal with other oses keyboard mappings. Jul 23 17:44:23 i just hope i dont screw my usb ;) Jul 23 17:44:35 On the other hand I can probide some hooks Jul 23 17:44:36 freemangordon, yea, something like putting it as part of thing starting LXDE sounds sane, I think Jul 23 17:44:39 it's so loose it makes me sh_t everytime i plug it into something Jul 23 17:44:45 freemangordon, hm? Jul 23 17:44:53 Rid, reinforce it at once ;) Jul 23 17:45:01 Estel_: it is not so simple, how you're going to deal with language switching? Jul 23 17:45:08 no, if i do that i end up having your device Jul 23 17:45:17 fixed usb and screwed everything else Jul 23 17:45:21 o_o Jul 23 17:45:26 freemangordon, setxkbmap from inside LXDE won't handle it? Jul 23 17:45:33 NFC Jul 23 17:45:59 RiD, I reinforced many USb ports without problems. It suspect something re flat cable socket on motherboard got screwed Jul 23 17:46:00 Estel_: so your problem was that you were trying to setxkbmap on :0? Jul 23 17:46:12 freemangordon, no, of course not\ Jul 23 17:46:50 then I still fail to see what was wrong. Not using xkbcomp ? Jul 23 17:46:52 the problem is in the owner, hehe Jul 23 17:46:56 generally, I've maemo's rx-51 file copied to ED's one, so hardware keyboard mapping from Maemo works flawlessly inside LXDE Jul 23 17:47:22 I have my language mapping via setxkbmap pl in LXDe autostart script Jul 23 17:47:22 aah, I see Jul 23 17:47:24 (inside chroot) Jul 23 17:47:44 using my methot you don't need to copy files Jul 23 17:47:44 it works for internal keyboard, but when I connect external one (BT, usb, doesn't matter) Jul 23 17:47:52 yea, it seems so Jul 23 17:48:02 Estel_: i will pay you 10� if you reinforce mine, but you'll have to deal with the shipping costs Jul 23 17:48:11 (somewhere around 30 :D) Jul 23 17:48:13 ...external keyboard works fine inside Maemo OR for ED programs started from maemo without LXDE as middleman, but wasn't working inside LXDE Jul 23 17:48:25 at all? Jul 23 17:48:31 RiD, reinforcing is 50 USd + shipping :D Jul 23 17:48:40 freemangordon, no, just letter worked, lower-case Jul 23 17:48:42 no ty i'll do it my own Jul 23 17:48:43 letters* Jul 23 17:48:50 * RiD breaks his n900 in 2 pieces Jul 23 17:49:07 inside LXDE only, of course Jul 23 17:49:14 sigh have to go Jul 23 17:49:17 in Maemo, everything was fine Jul 23 17:49:34 OTOH, mouse via extmou was working equally fine on Maemo and inside LXDE Jul 23 17:50:00 hmm, i see one problem (from my stupid user POV), you need to switch LXDE's keyboard layout from within Maemo Jul 23 17:51:48 and blue symbols does not work Jul 23 17:51:53 on internal KBD Jul 23 17:52:12 anyway, I'm back to kernel-cssu Jul 23 17:53:32 freemangordon, thanks. Normally, when using external keyboard, I don't use internal (at the same time) Jul 23 17:53:37 but but, how to revert it? Jul 23 17:53:39 properly? Jul 23 17:54:04 lets say I disconnect it in urge and put my n900 into pocket - without restarting LXDE Jul 23 17:55:15 Estel_: revert? setxkbmap nokia-rx51 or something :P Jul 23 17:55:53 thanks, will try when I'll have working device Jul 23 19:28:55 why does the n900 gps accracy suck? Jul 23 19:29:35 vi__: wut? Jul 23 19:29:37 because of solar flares, the lunar shift, magnetic radiation ... Jul 23 19:29:51 vi_, it doesn't suck, just supl.nokia.com sucks Jul 23 19:30:07 try with a tinfoil hat for better reception! Jul 23 19:30:25 or better put it in the basement Jul 23 19:33:12 freemangordon, re tinfoil hat, do you also experience N950 loses sewere ammount of signal, when held "incorrectly"? Jul 23 19:33:22 especially, as compared to N900 angle tolerance? Jul 23 19:33:35 for WiFi - deffinitely Jul 23 19:33:38 turning it upside down happens to increase signal by 70%, sometimes, for me Jul 23 19:33:40 yea Jul 23 19:33:53 I wonder if they screwed alu body design Jul 23 19:34:00 and it's acting like wrong reflector Jul 23 19:34:04 black aluminium body :P Jul 23 19:34:13 ha, ha ha. I'm going to do it better :P Jul 23 19:34:30 hoped for stealing some of their idea, but it seems, that it's not an option Jul 23 19:34:36 well, will see :D Jul 23 19:34:38 I hoped that they did it best :p Jul 23 19:34:55 maybe that's the best Jul 23 19:35:16 best would be to put antennas in surface "after" alu body, not cut two holes on sides Jul 23 19:35:26 in 1st examnple, signal would be always reflected to antennas Jul 23 19:35:39 now, you need to "aim" correct side @ signal source Jul 23 19:35:52 or alu body in the middle reflects it before it reaches antenna Jul 23 19:36:07 well, could be, I am not much into radiowawes Jul 23 19:36:15 i.e. you need either to aim by exposing N950's back to signal, or, best, correct side Jul 23 19:36:47 I'm quite much into it. Well, maybe i'lkl fix it for N950 custom body, someday :P Jul 23 19:36:55 and put 10a battery there :P Jul 23 19:36:58 10Ah* Jul 23 19:37:16 judging by decreased thickness, one could put muuuch there, keeping no more thickness than N900 and mugen cover Jul 23 19:37:50 freemangordon, and what's about Your view for N950 as main device? fmtx (lack of) is still blocker, or other things too? Jul 23 19:38:33 I told you, it is nice, but hildon is muuch better for me Jul 23 19:38:41 sorry, missed it Jul 23 19:38:43 same here Jul 23 19:39:00 yeah, really, very nice device Jul 23 19:39:11 browser is not that bad at all Jul 23 19:39:15 and this sad feeling of wasted potential in many places... :P Jul 23 19:39:23 yeah :( Jul 23 19:39:23 like good book :P Jul 23 19:39:56 browser isn't bad? It was first thing that haven't allowed me to pay for house Jul 23 19:40:12 even symbian handled it correctly (bank website) Jul 23 19:40:34 and N900 btowser open new pages much faster, despite lack of RAM :( Jul 23 19:41:06 Estel_: I told you to upgrade the firmware, ain't? Jul 23 19:41:15 ouh, got me on that Jul 23 19:41:37 browser in P.R1.2 has nothing to do with the one in pre-beta Jul 23 19:42:09 just flash the damn firmware at once :P Jul 23 19:42:32 but be careful to flash PR 1.2 Jul 23 19:42:33 aye, sir! Jul 23 19:42:44 the page is very misleading Jul 23 19:42:53 hm Jul 23 19:43:38 which page?:D Jul 23 19:43:53 damn, I cry for proper wiki Jul 23 19:44:43 time to move my ass and run through countless thread and do 325435043 marked tabs, as now I feel little lost Jul 23 19:45:46 Estel_: the one on nokis site with firmwares Jul 23 19:45:55 freemangordon, any point where You started to gather knowledge for tweaking N950? Jul 23 19:45:58 aye, noticed that Jul 23 19:46:08 sorry, cant help Jul 23 19:46:16 for N900, it is wiki, where you also have many pointers to TMO thread, and so goes on Jul 23 19:46:18 no problem Jul 23 19:46:32 you'd better ask on #harmattan Jul 23 19:46:39 tried that, no one knows (sic!) Jul 23 19:46:49 I was surprised to see you're not there Jul 23 19:49:56