**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 02:59:58 2012 Aug 08 06:59:52 hello ,has a question,i install power-kernel51 and batterypatch,set minfreq=125 maxfreq=805,,when my phone standby,i use conky view ,the CPU frequency sometime 125,sometime 805,,,how let N900 standby on 125Mhz always? Aug 08 07:04:31 has somebody? Aug 08 07:10:49 infobot, he Aug 08 07:10:50 it has been said that he is not, or gay Aug 08 08:59:34 ~seen pali Aug 08 08:59:39 pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 1h 44m 14s ago, saying: 'jonwil has some more info about format'. Aug 08 09:01:15 hope pali is alright Aug 08 10:05:08 ++ Aug 08 13:12:54 standby is usually 0MHz, zero. But sometimes just running conky bumps frequency to max for the short duration when conky is collecting data Aug 08 13:14:04 It would be more sensible for such apps to look at the long term statistics instead of current instantaneous frequency Aug 08 13:19:15 ShadowJK, but ondemand ramps CPU to highest OPP usable when any load appears Aug 08 13:22:03 that's what I said? :P Aug 08 13:40:53 I dont know whats up withe MWKN Aug 08 13:41:02 But clicking the links in Google Reader brings up a login window Aug 08 13:41:08 A bit odd Aug 08 13:51:50 goddammit, does the file picker work for anyone, in microB? Aug 08 13:55:11 Nice, it MWKN links seems to be fixed now Aug 08 14:07:09 What browser do you guys use on the n900? Aug 08 14:08:40 microb Aug 08 14:09:27 I used to use fennec, but it was just too slow, and opera seems to do quite well Aug 08 14:09:44 just wondering if there were better browsers out there Aug 08 14:10:47 fennec with thumb is usable Aug 08 14:20:03 installed fennec 17 right away and it is realy quite usable, thanks for the tip :) Aug 08 14:37:38 Hi all. Could someone give me advice getting the ISC dhcrelay on my N900? Aug 08 14:43:22 It comes with the package dhcp3-relay on other systems Aug 08 14:51:04 why do you need a dhcp relay? but in general, if it doesn't exist already in extras (-devel) grab the source and build it Aug 08 14:53:48 merlin1991: Setting n900 up as a hotspot, and want to relay dhcp requests to another server. Aug 08 14:54:01 merlin1991: To add the -devel repo, should I add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list : Aug 08 14:54:19 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Aug 08 14:54:19 ? Aug 08 14:54:23 to add -devel properly add it inside hildon application manager Aug 08 14:54:32 but the lines are right Aug 08 14:55:21 though there is no dhcp3-relay package in extras-devel Aug 08 14:55:33 ahhhh Aug 08 14:55:46 So, grab source and compile, you say? Aug 08 14:55:59 but when you do a hotspot you could ie route the traffic through the n900 using masquerade in postrouting and just run your own dhcp server on the n900 with dnsmasq Aug 08 14:56:24 or use one of the tools in extras like qt-mobilehotspot that does all that for you Aug 08 14:56:54 I don't think it can act as a dhcp-relay Aug 08 14:57:12 why do you need the dhcp relay for a hotspot usecase? Aug 08 14:57:34 internet <> n900 (masquerading everthing behind <> hotspot clients Aug 08 14:57:47 I want to relay DHCP requests to another server. Aug 08 14:58:04 the question is not what but *why* :D Aug 08 14:58:28 merlin1991: I'm using multiple maemo devices like so: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XFKd0RWC Aug 08 14:58:56 If I want to monitor traffic on the server to a level of IP address:traffic, I need to know which IP belongs to which MAC Aug 08 14:59:05 If I handle DHCP on the AP, I can't easily do that Aug 08 15:00:16 oh now I know why, you need valid addreses after the ap Aug 08 15:00:53 well in this case grab the debian source (should be closest to maemo) and build it in scratchbox Aug 08 15:01:53 Ah, scratchbox, I meddled with that a while back, and didn't get very far Aug 08 15:02:18 you can ask me about scratchbox when you run into problems :) Aug 08 15:02:34 heh, ok, thanks :) Aug 08 15:06:28 merlin1991: Another q - dnsmasq seems to be running on my device, and each time I kill its process it restarts. Any idea how to track down what's restarting it? Aug 08 15:08:28 probably dsme Aug 08 15:08:38 narcos: dnsmasq is always running on a n900 Aug 08 15:08:44 check your resolv.conf ;) Aug 08 15:09:39 Er, I've already butchered my resolv.conf to suite my purposes :) Aug 08 15:09:55 merlin1991: How can I stop it, or edit the config? Aug 08 15:10:24 merlin1991: I'm trying to setup dhcp server with it via: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58213 Aug 08 15:10:48 i.e., I don't currently have the stomach for compiling code in scratchbox - I'm going to run a local dhcp server and upload lease files Aug 08 15:14:30 phew, no idea who exactly starts dnsmasq, you'd have to check the init scripts, but I bet it's started via dsmetool somewehre Aug 08 15:16:00 Hmm ok, lemme dig around Aug 08 15:19:23 k sorted, problem was PEBKAC Aug 08 15:19:46 PEBKAC? Aug 08 15:20:11 Problem Existed Between Keyboard and Chair Aug 08 15:20:13 i.e. me Aug 08 15:20:32 ah :D Aug 08 15:21:35 Hmm, dnsmasq hands out IPs, but /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases is empty Aug 08 15:23:58 ~seen your anus Aug 08 15:24:07 vi_: i haven't seen 'your anus' Aug 08 15:24:14 lol Aug 08 15:24:15 LOL Aug 08 15:24:51 ~seen anything'. But thanks for asking, moron. Aug 08 15:24:52 narcos: i haven't seen 'anything'. but thanks for asking, moron.' Aug 08 15:25:04 Poort attempt at sqli Aug 08 15:57:40 jeez some stock features on the n900 are just terrible Aug 08 15:58:41 Hmm, where is the PATH variable defined on maemo Aug 08 16:00:13 .profile Aug 08 16:38:20 Shapeshifter: such as? :D Aug 08 16:43:24 Lava_Croft: the backup tool can't stop, it will just sit there for half an hour when you press stop on a long backup. of course, meanwhile it will run out of space on /home. Of course, modest, too, terrible mail client, but we all know that. Aug 08 16:43:56 dont use the backup tool Aug 08 16:43:58 the backup tool is not to be used, really Aug 08 16:44:00 use backupmenu Aug 08 16:44:08 and modest, well Aug 08 16:44:11 backupmenu has DAMMIT Lava_Croft Aug 08 16:44:12 its modestly horrible Aug 08 17:19:53 Anyone knows how to stop the "low battery" reboot loop on the N900 Aug 08 17:19:54 ? Aug 08 17:20:21 I have it plugged for almost a day now looping on reboot after the battery was drained Aug 08 17:20:52 Plugged on the wall adapter mind you, not usb cable Aug 08 17:23:16 Considering the number of such cases lately, and the average of N900s now, I'm starting to suspect it can't cope with aged batteries Aug 08 17:31:51 old batteries can cause weird problems. Aug 08 17:32:18 and batteries bought at device purchase time will be old now. Aug 08 17:37:01 njsf: same problem here Aug 08 17:37:07 SpeedEvil: even if the device wasn't used? Aug 08 17:37:11 yeah, all my originals reached my own "junk" threshold in year and half or so Aug 08 17:37:23 SpeedEvil: I replaced mine with a "I got an iPhone so I never used my N900" battery Aug 08 17:37:29 and it still does weird crap Aug 08 17:38:07 unused device with battery installed probably would reach my own "junk" threshold in 6 months or less Aug 08 17:38:36 ouch, really? Aug 08 17:39:12 is this Mugen extended battery trustworthy? Aug 08 17:40:47 I have a 3yo battery which is in near new condition. Aug 08 17:40:49 ShadowJK: For future reference, anytime anyone sees 125Mhz these days, 99.9% chance they are running batterypatch/speedpatch. It forces over/under clock. Aug 08 17:41:18 but it has been charged to 40% and in the freezer for most of that Aug 08 17:41:31 The only way to get that is by installing one of Titan's old kernels, by hand-tweeking it yourself with KP, or installing crap-patches. Aug 08 17:42:53 luke-jr, if you're battery shopping, there's a good thread on TMO with links to the best places. Aug 08 17:43:37 luke-jr; no Aug 08 17:43:54 conred: where did you get fennec 17 from? I didn't know there were recent n900 builds Aug 08 17:44:16 luke-jr; it's pointless Aug 08 17:44:22 well the 2400mAh one is indeed 2400, but people consider it expensive Aug 08 17:44:46 ShadowJK: well, I was thinking I need a new battery door anyway.. Aug 08 17:44:55 the original "latches" break off too easily Aug 08 17:45:17 Well, Mugen is the largest commercially produced battery for the N900. And the new back is actually kind of nice. Aug 08 17:45:37 Wizzup_:fennec 17 is in the thumb repository, check the cssu-thumb thread at tmo Aug 08 17:45:47 But you can make a dual-scud for half the price and just order a cover on your own most times. :) Aug 08 17:46:03 japod from dealextrem that I got turned out to be 1440 mAh Aug 08 17:46:32 * Woody14619 nods... Mine was too. That's what I use in my day to day. Aug 08 17:46:44 I can't find a TMO thread on batteries Aug 08 17:46:51 on sec. Aug 08 17:46:55 ShadowJK: so the 2400 Mugen should work reasonably? Aug 08 17:46:57 i think they've (mugen) gotten alot stricter about people ordering just the cover Aug 08 17:47:12 luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 Aug 08 17:47:36 I had to adjust the pins on mine slightly with a needle Aug 08 17:48:00 luke-jr: My understanding is that the battery is ok, just way over priced. May be worth it to get the custom cover legitly though... Aug 08 17:48:25 Wizzup_: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 Aug 08 17:48:37 I am looking at that atm, I didn't know about this Aug 08 17:49:28 Woody14619: considering I paid only $200 for a like-new N900 (but apparently dud battery), $100 for a good battery doesn't seem too unreasonable Aug 08 17:51:07 True. Let me guess, from ebay/China "cellphoneforever"? Picked up a second N900 from there a bit ago myself to help with testing. Turned into the day to day for my SO in a week though. ;) Aug 08 17:51:09 otoh, seeing some of these "mere replacements" for $7… Aug 08 17:51:16 Woody14619: no, CraigsList Aug 08 17:51:28 conred: That is pretty awesome! I should probably try that in a bit Aug 08 17:51:38 Woody14619: I picked it up in person with cash :P Aug 08 17:52:08 Oh... Nice... Probably better off from there. The ebay ones are refurbs, but frankly not in bad condition most times. But it can be a craps shoot. Aug 08 17:52:28 conred: ah, and the robots.txt has disallow all, that's why I didn't find it via google Aug 08 18:30:15 mugen cover lacks a camera lens hatch Aug 08 18:30:33 i have one too, i dont use it Aug 08 18:30:43 i just carry around 4 BL5J's Aug 08 18:39:25 DocScrutinizer05: is this the latest script to find charging current? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2 Aug 08 18:39:38 yep, I hope so Aug 08 18:41:35 DocScrutinizer05: what is the charging current, http://pastie.org/4413436 ? Aug 08 18:41:50 trumee: please use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Aug 08 18:43:09 DocScrutinizer05: here you go, http://pastie.org/4413449 Aug 08 18:43:36 DocScrutinizer05: AI Average Current High is what i should be reading? Aug 08 18:44:04 trumee: why you do that cmdline magic? IIRC I wrote bq27k-detail2 to avoid any need for that Aug 08 18:44:52 DocScrutinizer05: ah, i was only following the wiki Aug 08 18:45:29 DocScrutinizer05: ok last time, http://pastie.org/4413464 Aug 08 18:46:05 do those differ? Aug 08 18:46:29 DocScrutinizer05: AI Average current high reports less than 450mA. I was hoping to get a bigger number connected to the wall charger Aug 08 18:46:33 I think all should be identical, and yes, iirc it's AI that shows current current Aug 08 18:46:40 DocScrutinizer05: dont think they do. Aug 08 18:47:10 which wiki? Aug 08 18:47:17 guess, i should let the battery deplete considerably before testing Aug 08 18:47:20 URL please, so I can fix that Aug 08 18:47:39 DocScrutinizer05: nope, i read the wiki wrong! Aug 08 18:49:28 for an constant reading/monitoring of just current, I recommend to use shadowjk's script, e.g found here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh Aug 08 18:49:39 less confusing output Aug 08 18:49:51 bq27200.sh 5 Aug 08 18:51:33 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Aug 08 18:52:47 I wished that the N900 could just run without battery but plugged in *sigh* Aug 08 18:53:21 Woody14619: luke-jr: (mugen) or you don't use just 2 scud piggybacked one on the other, and instead *really* use the additional space gained by custom backcover: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_003.jpg Aug 08 18:53:43 njsf: your bootloop? Aug 08 18:53:51 yes Aug 08 18:54:02 DocScrutinizer05: O.o? Aug 08 18:54:03 njsf: bootloops *never* charge battery, they ruin it Aug 08 18:54:22 don't you need the custom backcover to do that ? :P Aug 08 18:54:52 DocScrutinizer05: so I'm SOL or is there a well know way to stop the loop ? Aug 08 18:54:54 and instead *really* use the additional space gained by custom backcover: Aug 08 18:56:39 njsf: when your rootfs is defect and thus bootloops, then you should get an external charger, charge your battery, then reflash Aug 08 18:56:59 njsf: when your battery causes bootloop, then get a new battery. Yours is worn out Aug 08 18:57:31 ok. I guess I am getting a new battery AND an external charger.. Aug 08 18:57:48 Interesting shot Doc, but where did the antennas go? Aug 08 18:57:53 this would have to be a 5800 charger right ? Aug 08 18:58:27 AFAIK the GPS and GSM antennas are in the areas above and to the right of the battery (which that custom mod pic would seem to have removed) Aug 08 19:00:55 DocScrutinizer05: Because of you can remove those areas while still having those services, that's great. But I susspect this mod removes (or at least relocates) those to make space. Aug 08 19:01:06 s/of/if/ Aug 08 19:01:07 Woody14619 meant: DocScrutinizer05: Because if you can remove those areas while still having those services, that's great. But I susspect this mod removes (or at least relocates) those to make space. Aug 08 19:02:13 Seems like SCUD blue dream is no longer available at aliexpress Aug 08 19:03:01 DocScrutinizer05: i am chopping a male-female usb cable to shor d+ and d- for a dumb charger. There is a wire sheath around the wires, can i chop them off? Aug 08 19:03:03 Woody14619: sorry, I can't follow Aug 08 19:03:21 Woody14619: which services? Aug 08 19:03:36 Doc, scroll back... Aug 08 19:03:38 AFAIK the GPS and GSM antennas are in the areas above and to the right of the battery (which that custom mod pic would seem to have removed) Aug 08 19:03:39 aah Aug 08 19:04:38 It could be that mod relocates them... but still... There's not much wasted space in the N900. :) Aug 08 19:05:53 well, I might stick those two batteries to a N900 in use, with some stickytape. then see if GPS and GSM still works Aug 08 19:06:34 actually there's no mod, just a suggestion I arranged by placing 2 batteries on back of N900 Aug 08 19:08:47 GSM antenna anyway is other end of device for all I recall Aug 08 19:09:05 err nope Aug 08 19:12:34 I guess with that size of batteries, you can move them another 5mm towards camera Aug 08 19:12:47 thus freeing up the antennae Aug 08 19:14:14 anyway seems you could get ~4.5Ah like that, with mugen backcover Aug 08 19:15:44 /me thought gsm/3g antenna was at the "bottom' near headphone and unlock slider Aug 08 19:16:08 that's where the batteries cover stuff Aug 08 19:16:26 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_004.jpg Aug 08 19:17:33 but as mentioned seems there's some space left to camera to shift them up a bit, and also each battery itself has ~5mm 'useless' plastic frame that can get removed Aug 08 19:18:10 what's bellow? a metal frame? Aug 08 19:18:21 the cell Aug 08 19:18:30 so yes, metal **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:13:49 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:14:16 2012 Aug 08 20:15:30 ah... nm DocScrutinizer05. I see what you're doing now. :) Missed the part about the Mugen cover. So you're promoting 3 batteries.. one in standard and two side-ways. Aug 08 20:16:13 I thought you were suggesting a case mod, to replace the one battery with the two and retain a normal back cover. Aug 08 20:35:10 DocScrutinizer05: some people who mustn't be named actually think there's a way to make two 18650 fit in a slightly larger version of the mugen backcover, by shifting things a bit Aug 08 20:40:42 Some unnamed persons also want to create a bigger aluminium (iirc) back cover **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:41:31 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:42:22 2012 Aug 08 20:43:25 aluminium!!! Aug 08 20:44:00 I guess with that the batteries are the lesser problem for the antennae Aug 08 20:52:29 anyway 18650 iirc means 18mm diameter, 65mm length Aug 08 20:53:37 yeah, they're huge Aug 08 20:53:47 but they also hold an insane amount of power Aug 08 20:53:54 plus 2mm+ for cover, makes N900 almost as deep as it is high Aug 08 20:54:18 definitely you don't need any more kickstand ;-P Aug 08 20:55:46 yeah but... 6Ah! Aug 08 20:56:15 (calibrating that is going to be really painful :D ) Aug 08 20:56:18 "what, you recharge your phone every week?" Aug 08 21:00:22 not mention a lot of 18650s from china are longer than 65mm. Aug 08 21:00:51 It would be far more logical to use 14450a Aug 08 21:00:54 It would be far more logical to use 14450s Aug 08 21:01:39 You can fit like 5 of them going across the n900 Aug 08 21:02:30 actually, I don't care about a 6ah battery. Aug 08 21:02:45 I want my n900 to fit in my pocket Aug 08 21:03:06 * Gh0sty hands vi__ a saw Aug 08 21:04:32 The /tmp/ partition on maemo is 1mb? Aug 08 21:04:41 Seems scarce for a 32GB internal memory. Aug 08 21:06:04 I think it is actually on rootfs or ram or somthing stupid. Aug 08 21:06:23 Here we go, I've setup a github repo, and am now developing my C++ application server publicly :) Aug 08 21:08:58 vi__: Odd choice... Aug 08 21:09:43 /tmp/ is a tmpfs Aug 08 21:09:47 hell, why shouldn't it be? Aug 08 21:13:21 jaska: every week, for 24h ;-P Aug 08 21:15:56 (want my n900 to fit in my pocket) indeed, and a battery (back)pack size of a second N900 can easily get attached to N900's back and connected to N900 either via USB or with some special contacting rework with some pogopins and 2 holes in N900's backcover Aug 08 21:16:18 Well if they harvest the 18650s from laptop packs, and then add the protection circuit and new wrapper, they'll always end up bgiger than 18x65 :P Aug 08 21:16:19 DocScrutinizer05: but that requires plugging in stuff to the microusb port Aug 08 21:17:03 ShadowJK: afaic the round cells usually come without protective circuitry Aug 08 21:17:23 s/c/k/ Aug 08 21:17:24 DocScrutinizer05 meant: ShadowJK: afaik the round cells usually come without protective circuitry Aug 08 21:17:46 It's both Aug 08 21:17:58 and sometimes they just add broken protection circuits Aug 08 21:18:04 kerio: that's why I mentioned the pogopin solution, to save you from answering like that Aug 08 21:18:12 c: Aug 08 21:19:18 two strong magnets to hold on to 2 iron buttons glued inside N900 backcover Aug 08 21:19:41 4 holes in the 4 corners, 2 of them for pogopins to make contact Aug 08 21:20:06 the other two just mechanical bolts to fixate the backpack Aug 08 21:20:21 attach and remove with a click Aug 08 21:20:57 or just go the ghetto route: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=981077&postcount=448 Aug 08 21:23:21 * DocScrutinizer05 for one couldn't think of anything more clumsy than a phne with such a huge battery, esp regarding carrying it compared to normal N900 and a sufficient number of spare batteries or USB powerpacks Aug 08 21:55:04 Looks like I have a dbus-daemon memory leak Aug 08 21:55:34 can anyone help confirming with one bash command? Aug 08 21:55:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85960 Aug 08 22:14:42 3MB on 35 min uptime ;) Aug 08 22:48:31 se Aug 09 00:30:37 Is this an accurate statement? If using the thumb repository and u-boot on my n900, I might as well make a thumb-capable combined image, because I can no longer use the attachboot that comes with it. Aug 09 00:49:44 This channel was a lot livelier the last time I attempted to make use of it. Aug 09 00:50:17 its 2am in europe... Aug 09 00:50:18 mmm Aug 09 00:50:31 4am at Finland Aug 09 00:50:50 I was about to say, Europe is more than one timezone. Aug 09 00:50:59 true :) Aug 09 00:52:35 I did not, however, realize that you could go west from Finland far enough to change two hours and still be in Europe rather than out in the Atlantic. Aug 09 00:53:09 well its almost 3am here, almost 2am in uk, almost 4am in .fi Aug 09 00:53:11 right? Aug 09 00:53:33 and later further east Aug 09 00:53:51 That's generally how it works Aug 09 00:53:55 No doubt. Aug 09 00:54:02 I just didn't know Finland was in that time zone. Aug 09 00:54:15 The only place I've had occasion to know was in GMT+2 before was Syria. Aug 09 00:54:20 happy maemoing! Aug 09 01:15:06 make use of a channel? weird wording Aug 09 01:15:26 * DocScrutinizer05 feels used Aug 09 01:15:52 anyway, burgerking time Aug 09 01:22:55 aeio Aug 09 01:30:31 u Aug 09 01:36:55 Why? Aug 09 02:10:14 why not? Aug 09 02:10:21 Good question. Aug 09 02:10:52 ...Once I install thumb packages, I can't use a non-thumb-enabled kernel with them. Right? Aug 09 02:11:04 No Aug 09 02:11:16 You can't. Aug 09 02:12:33 So it would make sense to track down the steps for making combined images for u-boot, and make an attachboot that I'd actually be able to use. Aug 09 02:37:11 you lost me on that Aug 09 02:37:52 combined image for uboot? Aug 09 02:38:23 attachboot?? Aug 09 02:44:32 The artist formerly known as noloboot, I think. Aug 09 02:47:20 If I understand correctly, once I install thumb-compiled packages, the attached kernel that u-boot-flasher normally provides is essentially useless to me; I can only use thumb-enabled kernels. It seems like a logical step from there would be to create a combined image with a thumb-enabled kernel, and flash that instead. Aug 09 02:49:03 It is entirely possible that there is some aspect of this that I have not grasped correctly. Aug 09 02:51:19 I'm just in a good mood because I finally found the posts that led me to realize the reason my attempts to switch to u-boot were failing was that I needed to reformay MyDocs... Aug 09 02:51:29 -y+t **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 09 02:59:59 2012