**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 13 02:59:59 2012 Aug 13 04:14:43 install rootsh Aug 13 04:15:31 also install openssh, it asks for root password to set Aug 13 04:15:55 don't use fapman to install, it's known to have problemns with that Aug 13 04:19:10 to get root, you use command `root` on device (or on ssh to user, you need to set user passwd to ssh to user account), or you do `ssh root@` right away, which will ask for the root password Aug 13 04:19:34 there is no such thing like a default password Aug 13 04:47:35 . Aug 13 04:47:39 ~messybox Aug 13 04:47:40 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Aug 13 04:47:50 ~literal messybox Aug 13 04:47:50 "messybox" is "messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils" Aug 13 04:48:51 infobot: : no, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Aug 13 04:48:52 DocScrutinizer05: okay Aug 13 04:49:53 guess why user can't set own password! X-P Aug 13 04:53:49 hah, actually passwd *is* a set-suid discrete binary. Well, I'm not awake yet Aug 13 05:30:40 and it seems passwd pkg is a component of mp-fremantle-generic-pr Aug 13 05:39:19 DocScrutinizer05: I'm in Catch-22 -- the n900 has no way to connect to the internet to install stuff, I need to do that through the laptop, but I need root to configure the n900 Aug 13 05:40:02 can I download rootsh as a.deb and install it by hand ? Aug 13 05:40:13 download and cp via mass storage mode the rootsh.deb pkg Aug 13 05:40:22 yes, exactly Aug 13 05:40:47 ok - where's rootsh.deb to be found via http? Aug 13 05:40:58 clicking on a .deb in filemanager should open HAM Aug 13 05:41:30 http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/ Aug 13 05:42:08 thanks dude -- you encourage my laziness ;) Aug 13 05:43:02 Fremantle Extras free armel Aug 13 05:43:09 I assume it's this one ... Fremantle Extras free armelrootsh 1.8 Aug 13 05:44:07 File: Aug 13 05:44:09 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ Aug 13 05:44:11 rootsh_1.8_all.deb Aug 13 05:44:26 open in browser, click 'install' Aug 13 05:44:44 err, sorry, no internet Aug 13 05:44:52 ;) Aug 13 05:45:39 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb Aug 13 05:48:08 :/ filemanager sulks while the device is mounted in mass storage mode on the laptop Aug 13 05:48:45 never try to access /MyDocs or uSD card on device when in mass storage mode Aug 13 05:49:30 * jpinx pulled the plug out,,,,, Aug 13 05:49:34 installed now Aug 13 05:49:37 worst case you create phantom files that eat storage space while not visible when MyDocs gets re-mounted Aug 13 05:49:55 eewww.. sounds nasty Aug 13 05:50:10 it's not filemanager that sucks, it's simply the umount necessary to export the fs Aug 13 05:51:05 I wonder if I can log into the n900 from the laptop and do the rest of the config on the command line over ssh Aug 13 05:51:13 ala Nokia 'forgot' to consider any reasonable way to lock or block the mountpoint dirs Aug 13 05:51:18 alas* Aug 13 05:51:42 you'd need ssh for that Aug 13 05:51:55 doh -- of course..... Aug 13 05:51:55 same procedure Aug 13 05:52:38 then you need to care about connection between PC and N900. see wiki, search for networking Aug 13 05:54:09 http://maemo.org/packages/ Aug 13 05:55:22 honestly, I found everything but WLAN direct access to internet a PITA on N900, to do any installing Aug 13 06:03:59 yea - I had that done a few years ago Aug 13 06:04:05 but I forgot how ;) Aug 13 06:05:06 now I have 2 n900's - one connected by gprs and the linux laptop connected to it as modem . , but now I need to connect the 2nd n900 through the laptop as well to get it online ;) Aug 13 06:05:22 no wifi here ;) Aug 13 06:08:22 2nd n900 was a cheapy bought broken - I just fitted new screen, sorted kbd, reflashed and now works fine :) Aug 13 09:08:27 on the n900, is there a command that would simulate the camera button press? Aug 13 09:48:40 ebzzry not sure but do you want to somehow simulate the actual event or just bring up the camera ui? Aug 13 09:54:24 phone-control can take pic Aug 13 09:57:39 ebzzry: look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Aug 13 09:58:11 phone-control can do it, but very limited. Aug 13 09:59:02 some observations are: 1- objects are not in focus, 2- the exposure is borky, and 3- the resulting image is overall bad in quality. Aug 13 09:59:30 the goal is to simulate taking a picture or video, remotely. Aug 13 10:17:47 gstlaunch Aug 13 10:27:29 vi_: that's the same thing that phone-control uses. Aug 13 12:11:01 hi Aug 13 12:11:10 theres no libdb4.8 for maemo? Aug 13 12:12:52 seems just to be lib4.2 :/ Aug 13 12:13:30 Vibe: try building one from debian under maemo Aug 13 13:18:13 MohammadAG: What would it take to make Sociality hide the same updates as a user choose to hide on facebook.com? Aug 13 14:11:17 zeq1: yo Aug 13 14:11:25 back from holiday? Aug 13 14:46:30 pali: pinh Aug 13 14:46:37 jonwil, pong Aug 13 14:46:45 jonwil, prolog is decompiled Aug 13 14:46:56 source changed and compiled back Aug 13 14:47:06 and headset button is working on my n900 :-) Aug 13 14:47:12 how did you completly decompile the prolog? Aug 13 14:47:27 predicate listing() Aug 13 14:47:41 and that predicate which return all prediates Aug 13 14:47:59 I created shell script which do it automatically (detect source prolog file, ...) Aug 13 14:48:20 and all needed glue (like :- module(...) ) Aug 13 14:48:26 ok, neat Aug 13 14:48:46 and I created deb package policy-settings-rx51 which compile prolog code at compile time Aug 13 14:48:46 you should post the decompiled prolog code somewhere... Aug 13 14:48:55 + add binary dresc file Aug 13 14:49:04 yes, I'm waiting for merlin to create cssu repo for that Aug 13 14:49:22 ok Aug 13 14:49:25 I have git repo on my hdd, but I do not have permission for creating cssu repo Aug 13 14:49:56 For creating script I used our prolog investigation from irc log Aug 13 14:50:52 I looked at dres file in ohm console and it show me that ohm has only information that there exists some "jackbias" fact Aug 13 14:51:18 so in my opinion, policy.dresc contains only initial value for jackbias, nothing more Aug 13 14:51:23 ok Aug 13 14:52:30 I dont think its worth trying to decompile the policy.dresc file Aug 13 14:53:00 basicly when you connect to ohm console, you can get all fact database state Aug 13 14:53:25 and also it show pseudo byte code for dres (pseudo)functions Aug 13 14:54:02 rewriting that functions to human readable code will be hard Aug 13 14:54:49 ohm console show ohm function instructions in some objdump -d style Aug 13 14:55:02 but we do not need it now Aug 13 14:55:17 main problem - enable headset button - is fixed Aug 13 14:55:49 but I still do not know if all prolog code was decompiled and if nothing is missing Aug 13 14:56:55 at least it working on my n900 for one week without problem... Aug 13 14:56:56 ok Aug 13 15:19:36 kgu: If Facebook returns the data of a hidden user it's a bug on their side Aug 13 15:21:22 MohammadAG: what about the thing you were talking to me about? Aug 13 15:25:08 MohammadAG, can you create cssu git repo policy-settings-rx51? Aug 13 16:48:38 ~seen ajalkane Aug 13 16:48:44 ajalkane <~ajalkane@a88-115-212-112.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 22h 3m 54s ago, saying: 'djszapi_: o/'. Aug 13 17:10:23 MohammadAG: It is not actually a hidden user, but you know, if you choose to hide some specific stuff like fortune cookie crap and so on Aug 13 19:02:06 can someone explain to me what the relationship is between maemo and meego? Aug 13 19:02:29 Maemo is a discontinued Nokia product Aug 13 19:02:35 Usrdvarok: maemo is a good OS Aug 13 19:02:44 MeeGo is what was formed when Intel and Nokia joined Moblin and Maemo. Aug 13 19:03:12 so is meego still linux based? Aug 13 19:04:08 and what phones run meego? Aug 13 19:07:21 N9. Aug 13 19:07:46 oops, lagged Aug 13 19:11:03 Usrdvarok: the N9 runs something weird Aug 13 19:11:09 * teotwaki_ tips hat at GeneralAntilles Aug 13 19:11:10 ~ping Aug 13 19:11:10 ~pong Aug 13 19:11:11 ~ping Aug 13 19:11:13 ~ping Aug 13 19:11:22 ah, finally Aug 13 19:11:24 that was a long lag. Aug 13 19:11:31 GeneralAntilles: did you get my PMs? Aug 13 19:11:37 teotwaki_: /ping will also work, and will only bother the server :) Aug 13 19:12:00 kerio: like it bothered you :P Aug 13 19:12:12 teotwaki_, sorry, researching pool pumps. Aug 13 19:12:41 i bet she does, i bet she does Aug 13 19:12:45 wink wink nudge nudge saynomore Aug 13 19:19:24 she? Aug 13 19:19:26 wait, what? Aug 13 19:19:44 oh, and to complete the wink wink, nudge nudge: stomp stomp. Aug 13 21:37:27 teotwaki: Aug 13 21:37:38 [2012-08-13 21:11:10] ~ping Aug 13 21:37:40 [2012-08-13 21:11:10] ~pong Aug 13 21:37:41 [2012-08-13 21:11:11] ~ping Aug 13 21:37:43 [2012-08-13 21:11:13] ~ping Aug 13 21:37:44 [2012-08-13 21:11:22] ah, finally Aug 13 21:39:25 [2012-08-13 21:11:25] that was a long lag. Aug 13 21:39:46 yep, the question is; where? Aug 13 21:41:25 or just http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-08-13.log.html#t2012-08-13T22:11:09 Aug 13 21:42:50 infobot: botsnack Aug 13 21:42:50 thanks, DocScrutinizer05 Aug 13 21:43:31 wtf? Aug 13 21:43:47 aaah, povbot missing in the list Aug 13 21:45:59 (for those wondering: my IRC client sorts userlist by "+o, +v, " Aug 13 21:46:08 ) Aug 13 21:47:16 quite convenient on #freenode as well as watching 'official' bots here Aug 13 21:47:32 as well as *for* Aug 13 22:25:02 hi there Aug 13 22:25:43 channel been a bit low today Aug 13 22:26:34 how is it possible to extract initrd and vmlinuz from maemo n900 package? Aug 13 22:26:46 is there any utility to test microsd speed on N900? Aug 13 22:32:06 low? Aug 13 22:32:40 traffic Aug 13 22:32:56 zsolt_hun: you'll have a hard time extracting initrd from maemo5 Aug 13 22:33:42 i need a initrd and vmlinuz for debian that is compatible with my n900 Aug 13 22:33:55 too bad Aug 13 22:34:25 and what makes you think you'll find such initrd in maemo5? Aug 13 22:35:43 ~ # cat /proc/mtd Aug 13 22:36:04 ~ # less -f /dev/mtd4ro Aug 13 22:37:55 thank you very much Aug 13 22:42:05 no sarcasm please! I demonstrated you how to learn there's no initrd in maemo5 Aug 13 22:43:14 a real hacker would've answered "not at all" - if anything Aug 13 22:43:41 ~question Aug 13 22:43:41 question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Aug 13 22:45:07 you are right Aug 13 22:51:39 you even learnt there's an unused partition on N900 you could use for doing awesome 1337 stuff Aug 13 22:52:53 sorry I wasn't able to deliver a receipe how to create a proper initrd from easy-debian Aug 13 22:53:14 (not that I rhink this could be done at all) Aug 13 23:03:06 anyway neither maemo5 nor mer nor meego nor nitdroid needs an initrd for all I know. why would you? Aug 13 23:14:47 * DocScrutinizer05 is temped to check wikipedia initrd to find "a dirty halfarsed hack to speed up system boot. obsoleted by modified suspend-to-disk schemes" Aug 13 23:21:26 i thought the main reason for initrds was linux bootloaders couldnt preload modules individually? Aug 13 23:29:46 that's what monolithic kernels were made for Aug 13 23:30:36 but yes, before initrd came, you needed to build a kernel with monolithic modules for your rootfs and graca and whatnot else Aug 13 23:30:45 yeah Aug 13 23:31:03 luckily our variance in hw configs is rather limited in embedded Aug 13 23:31:28 i guess Aug 13 23:32:11 so no use in 'latebinding' kernel with modules needed for booting Aug 13 23:32:39 we can already ship right kernel "from factory" Aug 13 23:33:52 so there zsolt has why n900 has no initrd Aug 13 23:34:01 and he left Aug 13 23:34:28 nowadays bootloaders are able to load not only initrd but complete full fledged system RAM images from HDD Aug 13 23:34:41 called resume-from-HDD Aug 13 23:36:36 afaik windoze never gets booted nowadays, only "resumed" from a master suspended image Aug 13 23:40:48 probably it also would be faster to "swap in" 250MB from a r/o swap partition rather than initialize maemo each time again Aug 13 23:41:39 boot once, "suspend to disk", copy that "swap" to a r/o file, and resume from that, then immediately "reswap" to proper r/w swap partition Aug 13 23:49:38 no rocketscience Aug 13 23:50:25 Any of you guys using digsby? Aug 14 02:01:38 32 days uptime on n900 Aug 14 02:02:48 if I get to 60 I'll consider my last tweak having fixed the occasional I/O deadlocks that have put upper limits on system stability before **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 14 02:59:58 2012