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Aug 17 03:28:14 <narcos> I'd like to launch a bash script on the N900 that required root
Aug 17 03:28:17 <narcos> I'm trying this:
Aug 17 03:28:42 <narcos> osso-xterm -e "cd /foo/bar/ && sudo bash foo.sh"
Aug 17 03:28:52 <narcos> But I get a graphical error of "Application error"
Aug 17 03:29:47 <narcos> From a shell, if I enter the command "cd /foo/bar/ && sudo bash foo.sh" - it works
Aug 17 07:24:01 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, i disconnected from znc at that point
Aug 17 07:34:18 <ZogG_laptop> jacekowski: narcos as i ripped my usb off i want to test that — http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72753
Aug 17 07:37:26 <StyXman> narcos: why not «sudo bash /foo/bar/foo.sh»?
Aug 17 07:42:45 <StyXman> narcos: also: most probably tou can't use && without a shell interpreting it
Aug 17 08:08:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ZogG_laptop: could you please stop talking narcos into destroying his N900?
Aug 17 08:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ZogG_laptop: what makes you think there's *any* hw-problem with narcos' device?
Aug 17 08:10:35 <kerio> did he reflash yet?
Aug 17 08:11:10 <kerio> hmm... what writes to CAL, and why? that's the only "software" weak point i think
Aug 17 09:26:53 <Sicelo> ^/win 23
Aug 17 09:26:57 <Sicelo> um
Aug 17 12:20:23 <ZogG_laptop> DocScrutinizer: he said he had problems =)
Aug 17 12:21:02 <DocScrutinizer51> I said: REFLASH!
Aug 17 12:22:08 <DocScrutinizer51> how TF will disassembling N900 help to make a device do ENUM, that evidently detects D+-  short
Aug 17 12:47:52 <ZogG_laptop> DocScrutinizer: as he explained we felt usb syndrom
Aug 17 13:52:50 <zeq> freemangordon: I've updat3d fennec again. If I get tome this evening I'm going to have a shot of getting input working properly.
Aug 17 13:53:55 <zeq> I've spent the last couple of days rebuilding my OpenWRT router/domain server, kept me busy!
Aug 17 13:54:01 <ShadowJK> unless it always detects d+/d-, that could be indicative of a molten usb port, if host port is proven functional.. but if device port has melted I'd imagine alot of other stuff woulf also not wotk? :D
Aug 17 13:55:07 <ShadowJK> would also not work*
Aug 17 14:08:57 <sLumPia> have anybody encounter conversation bar bug?
Aug 17 14:08:59 <sLumPia> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11559
Aug 17 14:09:00 <povbot_> 04Bug 11559: Conversations App - Scrollbar Appeared, Touch Scrolling Does Not Work
Aug 17 14:09:38 <sLumPia> after flashing, suddenly i get this annoying bug
Aug 17 14:10:03 <sLumPia> previously my conversation working just fine
Aug 17 14:10:16 <sLumPia> removing .mozilla doesn't help
Aug 17 14:11:30 <Pali> sLumPia, I had same problem
Aug 17 14:11:47 <Pali> removing .mozilla & rebooting solved it
Aug 17 14:12:09 <Pali> (I did it more times)
Aug 17 14:12:11 <sLumPia> yep, i read your thread and follow your advice, doesnt work
Aug 17 14:12:37 <sLumPia> :(
Aug 17 14:13:14 <Pali> sLumPia, can you upload your syslog?
Aug 17 14:13:26 <Pali> maybe there will be something interesting...
Aug 17 14:14:01 <sLumPia> Pali, where is it located? I have no syslog on /var/log
Aug 17 14:15:59 <Pali> sLumPia: try to install package sysklogd or klogd
Aug 17 14:16:21 <Pali> maemo does not have syslog installed by default
Aug 17 14:17:09 <sLumPia> oops, my didnt know that
Aug 17 14:21:34 <sLumPia> d*mn, cant install anything because of broken deps
Aug 17 14:21:54 <sLumPia> can we tell apt to ignore broken dep?
Aug 17 14:32:55 <Pali> sudo apt-get install -f
Aug 17 14:33:01 <Pali> this should fix broken dep
Aug 17 14:34:15 * ShadowJK tries to paint over the blue on cameradoor
Aug 17 14:38:53 <DocScrutinizer51> ShadowJK: indeed
Aug 17 14:40:42 <ShadowJK> the result from this sharpie looks a bit glossy :(
Aug 17 14:51:43 <kerio> why do you hate blue
Aug 17 14:51:45 <kerio> blue is a cool color
Aug 17 14:53:56 <sLumPia> Pali: Well installed nitdroid with multiboot. multiboot conflict with bootmenu (I also install backupmenu). that's why I have broken dep
Aug 17 14:55:54 <Pali> yes multiboot and bootmenu both provides /bootmenu.sh so are in conflict
Aug 17 14:56:35 <kerio> multiboot is a piece of shit
Aug 17 14:56:57 <jon_y> multiboot writes to flash everyboot :|
Aug 17 14:57:38 <sLumPia> kerio: is there anyway i can use bootmenu with nitdroid?
Aug 17 14:57:48 <kerio> you need uboot for that
Aug 17 14:57:52 <sLumPia> I like to play games with nitdroid
Aug 17 14:58:09 <kerio> by the way, won't most games require a multitouch screen?
Aug 17 14:59:00 <sLumPia> really? dont know about that. never had experience with android
Aug 17 15:00:03 <sLumPia> so uboot support nitdroid, backupmenu and normal maemo?
Aug 17 15:00:21 <sLumPia> i though you said uboot not support nitdroid yet
Aug 17 15:02:23 <Pali> u-boot can boot any kernel image
Aug 17 15:02:35 <Pali> it can boot maemo, meego/nemo, nitdroid
Aug 17 15:03:03 <Pali> bootmenu/backupmenu is only maemo shell script which is started from maemo init daemon
Aug 17 15:04:41 <sLumPia> hm...brb, got to read about u-boot
Aug 17 15:15:24 <kerio> did someone measure the power consumption of bluetooth in hidden mode with no connections?
Aug 17 15:32:31 <Pali> kerio, some tests should be usefull :-)
Aug 17 16:35:27 <DocScrutinizer51> kerio: seems to be next to zero
Aug 17 16:35:31 <DocScrutinizer51> iirc
Aug 17 16:35:41 <DocScrutinizer51> (did some tests)
Aug 17 16:40:51 <louisdk> Hi :)
Aug 17 16:41:23 <louisdk> Does anyone know how I get more home screens on an Nokia N900?
Aug 17 16:59:34 <ivgalvez> anyone knows the URL for testingsquad mailing list archive?
Aug 17 16:59:55 <ivgalvez> forget it
Aug 17 16:59:58 <ivgalvez> I found it
Aug 17 17:06:28 <sLumPia> Pali: what is the correct content for item file for backupmenu? I have this line in backupmenu.item:
Aug 17 17:06:36 <sLumPia> ITEM_NAME="BackupMenu (Internal flash)"
Aug 17 17:06:38 <sLumPia> ITEM_ID="nand"
Aug 17 17:06:39 <sLumPia> ITEM_LINUXRC="/usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item"
Aug 17 17:06:59 <DocScrutinizer51> louisdk: get CSSU
Aug 17 17:07:20 <DocScrutinizer51> ~cssu
Aug 17 17:07:22 <infobot> [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Aug 17 17:07:33 <sLumPia> but it u-boot-update-bootmenu failed with this error:
Aug 17 17:07:37 <sLumPia> Configuration file: /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item
Aug 17 17:07:38 <sLumPia> Error: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file
Aug 17 17:09:23 <DocScrutinizer51> you're sure you're not terribly mixing up backupmenu and uBoot?
Aug 17 17:11:04 <DocScrutinizer51> it seems for some funny reasons their config files look similar by syntax. but these are 2 *completely* different programs/systems
Aug 17 17:12:01 <sLumPia> DocScrutinizer51: Do you mean mixing up bootmenu and u-boot?
Aug 17 17:12:29 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Aug 17 17:13:31 <sLumPia> well, it seems backupmenu depend on bootmenu. so i can't uninstall bootmenu
Aug 17 17:13:50 <DocScrutinizer51> bootmenu and BM are siblings, uBoot is totally unrelated
Aug 17 17:14:56 <sLumPia> I'm trying to install kernel-cssu, backupmenu and nitdroid
Aug 17 17:15:17 <sLumPia> bootmenu not supported nitdroid (afaik)
Aug 17 17:15:30 <DocScrutinizer51> nonsense
Aug 17 17:15:45 <sLumPia> and Pali said u-boot support all three
Aug 17 17:15:47 <DocScrutinizer51> nitdroid not supported by uboot
Aug 17 17:16:08 <DocScrutinizer51> afk bbl
Aug 17 17:18:25 <sLumPia> DocScrutinizer51: Pali said u-boot can boot nitdroid
Aug 17 17:22:47 <kerio> sLumPia: bootmenu happens after uboot
Aug 17 17:22:59 <kerio> multiboot is the one that sucks
Aug 17 17:23:04 <ivgalvez> There is support for bootmenu in Nitdroid
Aug 17 17:23:19 <kerio> ivgalvez: yeah but kexec is flaky, isn't it
Aug 17 17:23:24 <ivgalvez> though you have to manually do some trickery
Aug 17 17:24:00 <kerio> sLumPia: uboot happens a lot before bootmenu
Aug 17 17:24:14 <ivgalvez> sLumPia, the problem that you have with BackupMEnu is that you have installed an specific version modified to work with Multiboot
Aug 17 17:24:23 <ivgalvez> that's not the official one
Aug 17 17:24:37 <ivgalvez> first you need to uninstall that version of backupmenu
Aug 17 17:24:56 <ivgalvez> then uninstall multiboot and install bootmenu
Aug 17 17:25:02 <ivgalvez> with uboot
Aug 17 17:25:47 <ivgalvez> once you have a working bootmenu installation for Maemo you can go for Nitdroid: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.0
Aug 17 17:26:03 <ivgalvez> there you'll find how to make it working with uboot
Aug 17 17:26:17 <kerio> i still have a huge problem with backupmenu and my configuration :(
Aug 17 17:26:53 <sLumPia> ivgalvez: what do you mean by special version? I install backupmenu using # apt-get install backupmenu
Aug 17 17:27:16 <sLumPia> not downloaded backupmenu*.deb from some site
Aug 17 17:27:26 <ivgalvez> oh, I thought you were using the one modified to work with Multiboot
Aug 17 17:27:36 <kerio> sLumPia: uninstall multiboot
Aug 17 17:27:37 <ivgalvez> not build by Robbiethe1st
Aug 17 17:27:48 <kerio> uninstall backupmenu, too
Aug 17 17:27:57 <kerio> install bootmenu and backupmenu
Aug 17 17:28:08 <ivgalvez> anyway, you first need to uninstall all of it
Aug 17 17:28:11 <ivgalvez> as kerio said
Aug 17 17:28:16 <kerio> ivgalvez: too late :D
Aug 17 17:28:41 <kerio> hm, i wonder if the n900 is fast enough to play esprade without frame skipping
Aug 17 17:28:49 <kerio> the keys are going to be awful though
Aug 17 17:29:39 <DocScrutinizer51> ~maemo-multiboot
Aug 17 17:29:40 <infobot> well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Aug 17 17:29:52 <kerio> uboot works fine
Aug 17 17:29:58 <DocScrutinizer51> and for sure multiboot fscks uBoot
Aug 17 17:30:26 <kerio> but if you don't want to dick around with a new bootloader+kernel, you can just use kernel-power's kexec to load a different kernel for nitdroid
Aug 17 17:30:29 <kerio> or something
Aug 17 17:30:32 <DocScrutinizer51> and afaik nitdroid needs multiboot, ever did, and always been hated for that
Aug 17 17:30:52 <sLumPia> DocScrutinizer51: I already uninstall multiboot
Aug 17 17:30:57 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: nah
Aug 17 17:31:11 <kerio> there are guides to use uboot or even bootmenu
Aug 17 17:31:12 <DocScrutinizer51> nahwut?
Aug 17 17:31:50 <DocScrutinizer51> fsckit
Aug 17 17:32:14 <DocScrutinizer51> if you want android, get a android device
Aug 17 17:32:25 <DocScrutinizer51> faster, cheaper, better
Aug 17 17:32:33 <sLumPia> ivgalvez: ok, i will try uninstall backupmenu and bootmenu. should i uninstall u-boot too?
Aug 17 17:32:51 <DocScrutinizer51> *sigh*
Aug 17 17:33:15 <ivgalvez> nonono
Aug 17 17:33:23 <ivgalvez> backupmenu and multiboot
Aug 17 17:33:51 <DocScrutinizer51> why the fuck would anybody want to uninstall backmenu??
Aug 17 17:34:09 <ivgalvez> he said it was conflicting with multiboot
Aug 17 17:34:10 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: to reinstall it, idk
Aug 17 17:34:59 <ivgalvez> DocScrutinizer51: Nitdroid already works with uboot
Aug 17 17:35:08 <DocScrutinizer51> sure, fsckng multibootconflicts with $everything, the hard way
Aug 17 17:35:13 <sLumPia> ivgalvez: I already uninstall multiboot before (as Pali said, to use u-boot)
Aug 17 17:35:22 <ivgalvez> ok
Aug 17 17:35:38 <sLumPia> now, i only have backupmenu, bootmenu, u-boot
Aug 17 17:35:47 <DocScrutinizer51> sane
Aug 17 17:35:52 <ivgalvez> then you just neet to install Nitdroid as described in the link I pasted before
Aug 17 17:36:07 <DocScrutinizer51> if that's enough to get nitdroid starting, feel happy
Aug 17 17:36:22 <louisdk> DocScrutinizer51: I have CSSU :)
Aug 17 17:36:42 <DocScrutinizer51> then see cssu-features
Aug 17 17:37:07 <DocScrutinizer51> wiki
Aug 17 17:37:34 <sLumPia> ivgalvez: I have install nitdroid. my problem right now is when i run u-boot-update-bootmenu, it show an error
Aug 17 17:38:01 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmpf
Aug 17 17:38:15 <ivgalvez> then it's better to ask to nitdroid gurus
Aug 17 17:38:27 <sLumPia> Error: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file
Aug 17 17:38:31 <ivgalvez> at the very same thread: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.0
Aug 17 17:38:36 <DocScrutinizer51> beware, nitdroid probably pulls multiboot as dependency
Aug 17 17:38:59 <ivgalvez> nope, nitdroid is not installed via package manager
Aug 17 17:39:02 <ivgalvez> only the kernel
Aug 17 17:39:12 <DocScrutinizer51> which in turn riuns uBoot
Aug 17 17:39:12 <sLumPia> it's not nitdroid that i have problem with, it's backupmenu
Aug 17 17:39:12 <ivgalvez> and doesn't depend on multiboot
Aug 17 17:39:30 <DocScrutinizer51> BS
Aug 17 17:39:33 <kerio> ~seen robbiethe1st
Aug 17 17:39:45 <kerio> ~ping
Aug 17 17:39:46 <infobot> robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 41m 7s ago, saying: 'Make sure your kernel is the right one for the module'.
Aug 17 17:39:46 <infobot> ~pong
Aug 17 17:39:48 <kerio> hm
Aug 17 17:40:04 <ivgalvez> DocScrutinizer51: is that to me?
Aug 17 17:40:20 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: i can't get a shell in backupmenu because root's login shell is /bin/bash
Aug 17 17:40:21 <DocScrutinizer51> nah
Aug 17 17:40:26 <sLumPia> ivgalvez: do you use u-boot and backupmenu? what is your backupmenu.item contain?
Aug 17 17:40:30 <kerio> and there's no /bin/bash in backupmenu
Aug 17 17:40:31 <kerio> :(
Aug 17 17:40:48 <ivgalvez> I don't have my N900 with me right now
Aug 17 17:41:17 <louisdk> DocScrutinizer51: I tired this,  http://maemobriefs.blogspot.dk/2010/03/how-to-have-up-to-9-home-screens.html but can't install modified-hildon-desktop.
Aug 17 17:41:24 <DocScrutinizer51> kerio: too bad, you  shot own foot
Aug 17 17:41:52 <kerio> no u :c
Aug 17 17:41:56 <DocScrutinizer51> louisdk: cssu already comes with MHD
Aug 17 17:42:15 <louisdk> DocScrutinizer51: Ok
Aug 17 17:42:18 <louisdk> Thx
Aug 17 17:42:21 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: to be fair i didn't expect backupmenu to look at /etc/passwd
Aug 17 17:42:21 <sLumPia> ok, so do you know what should i put in backupmenu.item for this line: ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-my"
Aug 17 17:42:23 <sLumPia> ?
Aug 17 17:44:02 <DocScrutinizer51> I wonder if you have to touch that file anyway, but meh
Aug 17 17:44:32 <DocScrutinizer51> please /join #nitdroid
Aug 17 17:44:58 <DocScrutinizer51> this is #maemo
Aug 17 17:46:28 <sLumPia> DocScrutinizer51: I am asking about backupmenu, not nitdroid
Aug 17 17:53:45 <DocScrutinizer05> backupmenu just works
Aug 17 17:54:16 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a pretty normal #maemo app
Aug 17 17:55:37 <kerio> well, it's a bit weird :)
Aug 17 17:55:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and as explained to you in all loving vorbosity that should make you weep, backupmenu is absolutely unrelated to nitdroid or any other alternative OS
Aug 17 17:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> SINCE IT STRARTS AFTER maemo KERNEL, FFS!
Aug 17 17:58:41 <sLumPia> *sight* do you really need to shout?
Aug 17 17:58:55 <sLumPia> normal doesn't mean it will always work
Aug 17 17:59:09 <DocScrutinizer05> if any random weird nitdroid webpage tells you to modify XY.config file in maemo to make nitdroid work, that's clearly not a problem and question asked to the maintainer of XY or to #maemo at large
Aug 17 17:59:33 <DocScrutinizer05> so go pester the #nitdroid guys!
Aug 17 17:59:38 <DocScrutinizer05> my last statement
Aug 17 17:59:40 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: hrmpf
Aug 17 17:59:48 <kerio> i added /bin/bash to the backupmenu tarball
Aug 17 17:59:58 <kerio> ...no libreadline
Aug 17 18:00:05 <kerio> i felt a bit stupid
Aug 17 18:02:56 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: waitwaitwait, you say BM looks nto /etc/passwd for the root default login shell?
Aug 17 18:03:38 <DocScrutinizer05> (btw nfc what's libredline)
Aug 17 18:03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh readline pfff
Aug 17 18:04:33 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: BM is the prototypical candidate for a lean statically linked busybox
Aug 17 18:05:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and definitely MUST NOT look into /(maemoroot/)etc/passwd, for at least 7 different reasons
Aug 17 18:05:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2119
Aug 17 18:05:41 <infobot> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
Aug 17 18:06:34 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: IOW: please open a ticket, this is a bug
Aug 17 18:08:33 <DocScrutinizer05> (7 different reasons) what ig I run yp on my N900? ;-P
Aug 17 18:08:44 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ig/if/.
Aug 17 19:50:02 <Macer> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram
Aug 17 19:50:16 <Macer> so when can i shove a dna SD into my N900? :-/
Aug 17 19:57:01 <DocScrutinizer05> SD??
Aug 17 19:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ever put a uSD on the scale?
Aug 17 19:57:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd be surprised if it weighs 0.1g
Aug 17 19:58:09 <DocScrutinizer05> and you probably would need some housing for your DNA as well, no?
Aug 17 19:58:25 <DocScrutinizer05> not to mention the "controller"
Aug 17 20:00:12 <luca__> Hello there! I'm having a problem with a jabber account, it says just "network error" and I can't connect, the server works fine, I can connect from the PC
Aug 17 20:00:21 <fizzie> "Weight: Micro: ~0.25g" says Wikipedia's handy-dandy infobox in the "Secure Digital" article.
Aug 17 20:00:38 <luca__> I tried to disconnect and reconnect but the network error is instantaneous
Aug 17 20:01:04 <luca__> it happened to me before, and it's fixed restarting the phone
Aug 17 20:01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF is a "sub-zero vacuum"?
Aug 17 20:01:45 <luca__> but I wonder if there is a more linuxy way to fix it, maybe there is a process I can restart or other trick to force the reconnection?
Aug 17 20:02:03 <luca__> its really annoying having to restart the phone for this :S
Aug 17 20:02:35 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, you probably might go flight mode and back, to fix it
Aug 17 20:02:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or restart the relevant processes
Aug 17 20:04:12 <DocScrutinizer05> which probably is telepathy
Aug 17 21:28:21 <DocScrutinizer51> who???? qwerty?
Aug 17 21:56:35 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: but opening a bug in a tracker sounds like work
Aug 17 22:06:49 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: so... there's no link to a bugtracker
Aug 17 22:06:51 <kerio> wtf
Aug 17 22:46:34 <DocScrutinizer51> why the F didn't it highlight me?
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