**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 19 03:00:01 2012 Aug 19 07:39:24 how do I force a fsck at boot time - dmesg is giving me a lot of warnings like "FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk0p1) fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos ) Aug 19 07:41:26 and I seem to have lost dev/usb0 - it's not available when I ifconfig -a but it is showing is dmesg - any ideas? Aug 19 07:41:38 maemo in N900 Aug 19 07:45:46 hmm, that's MyDocs right? open a terminal, get root, do umount /home/user/MyDocs && fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1, and maybe run fsck a few times until it says it's clean, then mount it again or reboot Aug 19 07:46:36 ^ jpinx Aug 19 07:46:39 hm Aug 19 07:46:43 don't actually do that Aug 19 07:46:48 oh, why? Aug 19 07:46:50 do fsck on a real computer Aug 19 07:46:53 jog Aug 19 07:46:54 er Aug 19 07:46:59 joga: it'll take *ages* Aug 19 07:47:02 or something Aug 19 07:47:14 hmm, I've done it a few times, it doesn't take that long I think Aug 19 07:47:29 a computer is still faster though :) Aug 19 07:47:31 unless I remember wrong. I've also done it with a puter Aug 19 07:47:44 jpinx: if your usb port still works... Aug 19 07:47:54 usb is dead Aug 19 07:48:07 it's not coming up with ifconfig -a Aug 19 07:48:14 btw, does touch /forcefsck do anything in maemo? Aug 19 07:48:19 but I see references to it in dmesg Aug 19 07:48:28 (in debian at least it'll fsck at boot if it sees that file) Aug 19 07:48:41 * jpinx reboots... again Aug 19 07:48:53 though in this case it wouldn't do the right thing anyway Aug 19 07:49:04 joga: i think kernel-power-settings has a way of forcing fsck Aug 19 07:49:13 but for /home, not MyDocs Aug 19 07:50:33 rebooted -- still no sign of usb= Aug 19 07:50:39 rebooted -- still no sign of usb0 Aug 19 07:51:56 but dmesg tells me that musb_hrdc periph: enabled eplout for bulk OUT, maxpacket 512 Aug 19 07:52:02 wait, what Aug 19 07:52:07 usb0 is the network iface Aug 19 07:52:20 yes Aug 19 07:52:28 oh, two separate problems Aug 19 07:52:35 jpinx: lsmod | grep g_ Aug 19 07:53:23 Hmmm -- no virtual kbd either - so no way top type | Aug 19 07:53:45 what the *fuck* did you do Aug 19 07:53:55 also use ssh Aug 19 07:54:07 reflashed and tried to get ssh towork Aug 19 07:54:21 now no ssh cos no usb0 Aug 19 07:54:27 ...wifi? Aug 19 07:54:50 nope Aug 19 07:54:55 anyway, you need to put the phone in "pc suite" mode, but you probably know that Aug 19 07:55:20 (so g_nokia is loaded, and not g_file_storage) Aug 19 07:55:58 it's refusing to go into PCSuite mode Aug 19 07:56:25 manually grepping lsmod for g_ shows file storage Aug 19 07:57:00 even after multiple re-plugging into the laptop Aug 19 07:58:10 kerio: what will show me why it doesn't allow PCSuite mode? Aug 19 07:59:35 it's not coming up in mass storage either -- only allows me charging only mode Aug 19 08:51:56 hello guys i have a simple question will installing maemeemo remove my current installation packages and the power kernel and mostly cleven or just will change the look of my device thank you Aug 19 09:10:10 hello guys i have a simple question will installing maemeemo remove my current installation packages and the power kernel and mostly cleven or just will change the look of my device thank you Aug 19 12:28:16 wtf is maemeemo Aug 19 12:47:53 seems a new look for n900 Aug 19 12:49:06 kerio: it's swipe like UI on maemo? Aug 19 12:49:14 ew Aug 19 12:49:19 i think it's nemo UI on maemo5, not sure Aug 19 12:49:44 it's a mix maemo nimo and meego i think Aug 19 12:50:06 but does it change the core of maemo ....? Aug 19 12:50:59 archangelmichael: haha, you are my archangel :P Aug 19 12:51:10 I want to install and try just afraid if i might loose things i have like the power kernel cleven will still work? Aug 19 12:51:24 data ?? Aug 19 12:51:50 ZogG_laptop, am i :P Aug 19 12:52:15 archangelmichael: backup first for sure Aug 19 12:52:19 ZogG_laptop, you seem to know what will happen once installed is it a new maemo thing? Aug 19 12:52:22 make full copy :P Aug 19 12:52:57 archangelmichael: i don't think you should try, why would you want it, try nemo as dual boot or try this as dual boot as possible Aug 19 12:53:00 will i loose the power kernel plus my cleven foncunality Aug 19 12:53:05 as=if* Aug 19 12:53:22 i dunno how it is installed and what does it installs Aug 19 12:53:26 well i thought to give it a try Aug 19 12:53:58 in that case i will keep maemo maybe try dual boot later on Aug 19 12:54:21 feels much safer with dual boot Aug 19 12:55:54 does anyone knows if maemo will support an another device than the n900 Aug 19 12:56:33 besides n9 having meego Aug 19 12:57:22 i just wish n950 was for end users Aug 19 12:59:18 maemo is dead Aug 19 13:00:48 not for me as long as i have my n900 :) Aug 19 13:01:37 jacekowski: :( Aug 19 13:14:45 jacekowski: maemo is dead and YOU killed it! Aug 19 13:21:34 maemo is dead, long live maemo! Aug 19 13:59:29 Hey all. Could anyone recommend a UK repair shop for N900's busted USB ports? Aug 19 14:33:30 Anyone use the OS X maemo flasher? Aug 19 15:26:46 narcos: me Aug 19 15:26:50 (on snow leopard) Aug 19 15:35:56 narcos: what makes you think your USB port is busted? Aug 19 17:09:49 kerio: Any advice on which image to download from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? I live in the UK - and see there's a UK version - not sure what the difference is? Aug 19 17:10:01 narcos: the Global one Aug 19 17:10:06 it works on every hardware, iirc Aug 19 17:10:11 the difference is with fmtx availability Aug 19 17:10:17 DocScrutinizer: The phone won't charge unless I jiggle the USB plug around Aug 19 17:10:26 kerio: Right, thanks, I'll use that one Aug 19 17:11:35 DocScrutinizer: Actually, Nokia's karma is against me. I have two N900's - both with a similar USB port problem... One I've just repaired with a bit of solder, the other charges if I twist the plug counter clockwise (I assume it has a loose connection too). Aug 19 17:12:02 I don't want to solder the second one as I just got it on eBay - I'm trying to return to sender Aug 19 17:12:28 (which is why I want to re-image) Aug 19 17:12:41 well, when you twist plugs, I guess that's r Aug 19 17:12:53 the reason where your problems arise from Aug 19 17:13:49 I've only twisted it in order to get it to charge Aug 19 17:13:56 you ever considered that the plug could as well be defect, not only the receptacle? Aug 19 17:14:17 I've tried two different wall chargers, and a PC USB cable Aug 19 17:14:40 yes, and your reüports were quite non-coherent Aug 19 17:15:07 Pardon? Aug 19 17:16:43 well, sorry, I tried to help the last few days, you weren't really interested. Now I feel it's futile to try Aug 19 17:17:26 DocScrutinizer05: No I appreciated your help - you suggested it was a software issue Aug 19 17:18:12 anyway, if you can reflash to send back the supposedly USB-borked device, you're creating a nice paradoxon Aug 19 17:18:43 DocScrutinizer05: And at the time, it seemed like it might be - but before I got around to reloading the image, my second phone arrived - so I diverted my attention to that one - which developed a similar problem the first time I tried to charge it. Aug 19 17:19:10 well, and that doesn't make you wonder? Aug 19 17:19:32 Should it? The only common element would be the mains electricity supply Aug 19 17:19:47 and *you* Aug 19 17:19:57 I promise I'm not rough handling them. Aug 19 17:20:36 but yu might use a defect plug that in turn ruins the receptacles Aug 19 17:20:46 The second phone came with all its own kit... Aug 19 17:20:52 or simply "inserts" dirt on the contacts Aug 19 17:21:18 or you restored some defect software to both phones Aug 19 17:21:26 or it's PEBCAK Aug 19 17:21:38 :-( Aug 19 17:22:13 Well, sorry to have bothered you. I'll venture on without bugging you. Aug 19 17:22:29 that went well Aug 19 17:22:36 well, I anticipated that reaction Aug 19 17:24:57 * DocScrutinizer05 shrugs and wanders on doings more appropriate things for outside temepratures >35°C Aug 19 17:29:47 * DocScrutinizer05 just utters a suspicion that recently "something" messed up USB/charging/MSM for quite a number of people... Aug 19 17:30:12 * DocScrutinizer05 looks direction KP51 and bq24150.ko "charger" Aug 19 17:32:23 [2012-08-18 21:50:18] kerio, confirming, this bug seems to have something to do with latest bq2415 things in KP Aug 19 17:34:34 might even imagine a situation / bug-behaviour where introducing an anormal situation like D+/-short NOT given anymore, by turning plug, might cause the shite to start working again Aug 19 17:35:53 of course nobody ever should apply any force to USB plug other than needed to cleanly and straight mating/unmating it Aug 19 17:36:29 somehow i think mating with your usb port would lead to problems Aug 19 17:36:58 trying to "test" USB by applying levering or torque force is a really insane thing Aug 19 17:39:42 only method you *might* use to test USB mechanically is placing the device on table with your finger under USB plug - but then do NOT apply any force to device, by touching screen or typing on hw kbd! Aug 19 17:40:54 incidentally this is the only force vector that might cause loose pins on receptacle touch the PCB pads again Aug 19 17:42:12 and weight of device is the max force the USB may take without you damaging an otherwise completely intact USB receptacle Aug 19 17:52:09 ~dict mating cycle Aug 19 17:52:14 could not find definition for mating cycle Aug 19 17:52:20 pfff Aug 19 17:53:18 google for "expected number of mating cycles" Aug 19 17:54:30 btw I got a standard size A plug here that instantly ruins any USB receptacle I plug it to Aug 19 17:55:34 I'm quite sure such thing happens even more easily on micro-USB Aug 19 17:58:01 http://etherealmind.com/network-dictionary-mating-cycles/ Aug 19 18:04:06 >>SMA connectors are rated for 500 mating cycles..<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_connector#Connector_design Aug 19 18:04:40 somehow I think kerio shouldn't discuss technical issues with EE Aug 19 18:52:57 home, sweet home :) i'm back from vacations, for good Aug 19 18:53:27 travelling for a day @ 32 C degrees is quite a experience Aug 19 18:53:29 an* Aug 19 20:09:39 just been reading the logs about mating cycles, lol Aug 19 20:11:26 i believe uUSB can have 10000 meaning if you charge once a day your device should last 27 years. (if my math is correct) Aug 19 20:13:45 that's very little time :( Aug 19 20:28:41 Considerably better than 13 years for miniUSB and 4 years for a standard A/B USB. Aug 19 20:33:50 is there a way to change the blue "NOKIA" at the n900 startup? Aug 19 20:40:06 Jef91: that's NOLO i think Aug 19 20:40:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75504 Aug 19 20:40:38 nolo kerio ? Aug 19 21:13:06 Are there any tools out there to create an image of my current n900 setup? Aug 19 21:13:11 So I can just reflash it all at once later? Aug 19 21:13:37 backupmenu Aug 19 21:13:39 backupmenu Aug 19 21:14:48 backupmenu Aug 19 21:15:14 although you can't easily reflash it, but it's pretty quick to flash the nokia images, install backupmenu and restore from there Aug 19 21:28:59 i went to a modern art museum today. Aug 19 21:29:14 there were 2 jet engines on the lawn out front. Aug 19 21:29:32 some artist had stuffed them with anti depressents. Aug 19 21:30:05 2 10 foot long turbine jets stuffed with SSRIs. Aug 19 21:30:26 to represent depression or somthing. Aug 19 21:30:37 modern art makes me laugh Aug 19 21:30:38 worst Aug 19 21:30:40 art Aug 19 21:30:42 ever Aug 19 21:31:34 there was a canvas. Aug 19 21:31:42 the top left quarter was painted white. Aug 19 21:32:08 it had 3 black lines across the center. Aug 19 21:32:21 1 perpendicular to the other 2. Aug 19 21:33:28 apparently it was controverial at the time as it represented a radical change for the artist who never used two parallell lines before. Aug 19 21:33:32 150 empty CD jewel cases standing up in a masking tape square. Aug 19 21:34:31 on the floor Aug 19 21:34:32 I told the guard it was derivative of whitginsteins corrugated sets from the 30's. Aug 19 21:34:32 sixwheeledbeast: utterly retarded. Aug 19 21:35:12 it would seem when you get famous enough you can punt any old tat and people will awe. Aug 19 21:35:53 some aren't famous yet tho. Aug 19 21:35:58 I wish somone with some credability would shout 'hay, the king is naked!' Aug 19 21:36:17 the CD case thing was a modern art uni project Aug 19 21:36:27 sixwheeledbeast: hah! Aug 19 21:36:30 4 years work, lmao Aug 19 21:37:05 I wish I was art savvy enough to spot your hoax! Aug 19 21:37:21 got to see "modern art" when visiting a uni mate in coventry. Aug 19 21:37:44 I just couldn't stop laughing had to leave the room Aug 19 21:38:00 tracy emin in 'oh god I shit the bed again'. Aug 19 21:39:14 do you remember the light bulb going on and off from a couple of years ago? Aug 19 21:39:22 It won the tate prize. Aug 19 21:39:30 fuck everything. Aug 19 22:47:22 vi__, some modernj art makes sense, though Aug 19 22:47:40 I remember one with pope's figure, crushed by a meteor Aug 19 22:49:37 or a table, where You sit in front of 1nd visitor (usually, someone that came with You - relative, friend, loved one, etc), and, due to some tricks with light, illusions, etc, her/his face turns into chinese guy speaking his story of working in Apple's factory in China Aug 19 22:50:01 (face and story "took" from real case, BTW) Aug 19 22:50:12 s/speaking/telling/ Aug 19 22:51:44 I think that there always was an Art and "art", no matter of style used, or time period. Some paintings of classical artists are total shit too. BTW, S. Dali was best - few times, he contracted few dilletans to pain a picture for him, then, he signed it, and got absolutely positive reviews from criticas Aug 19 22:51:47 critics* Aug 19 22:51:57 later, he always laughed at them very hard Aug 20 01:00:03 hello there. Anyone been having problems with flash (on n900) not working on many sites? Aug 20 01:00:16 whats the page that lists the gconf settings for the SSU? I can never find it >.< Aug 20 01:00:24 RiD might be related to n900 only having like flash 9.4 Aug 20 01:00:27 most need a newer version Aug 20 01:00:49 yeah, i know about that already. But apparently many decided o switch or so Aug 20 01:01:33 liveleak.com, for example.That site hasn't seen a change for years Aug 20 01:01:45 yet flash doesn't work on it anymore *cries* Aug 20 02:30:34 is there a way to find out more about whats happening to my N900 battery (i.e. more than just the flashing "its charging" indicator)? Aug 20 02:30:53 I am seeing some wierdness where its draining a LOT faster than it should be Aug 20 02:31:01 right now it claims to be charging thank god Aug 20 02:31:16 * jonwil remebers bq2700.sh Aug 20 02:32:00 ok, that one is giving me a "time to full" Aug 20 02:32:13 Not sure which number is for the current charge level of the battery though Aug 20 02:32:23 is charge measured in amps or volts? Aug 20 02:33:06 amps is hovering around 830 Aug 20 02:33:22 and volts is going up and is somewhere around 3970 Aug 20 02:33:56 ttf keeps jumping around 138 or 139 or so Aug 20 02:34:11 Hopefully once this is charged, things will be back to normal Aug 20 02:34:25 If not, I may be up for a new battery :( (or worse, a new N900) Aug 20 02:36:58 ./bq27200.sh 5 Aug 20 02:37:01 for live display Aug 20 02:37:35 ok, so which number should I be reading to see if its actually charging? Aug 20 02:37:46 RSOC and CSOC: current charge level in percents. NAC CACD CACT: Current charge level in mAh. TTF: time to full in minutes, TTE: time to empty in minutes. Aug 20 02:38:04 mA: Current net rate into/out of battery. Positive value indicates charging, negative value indicates discharging Aug 20 02:38:19 so as long as RSOC and CSOC are going up, its actually putting juice into the battery? Aug 20 02:38:38 Note that at close to full battery, it's not unusual to see some slight discharging when screen is on Aug 20 02:38:44 ok Aug 20 02:38:48 well this battery is far from full Aug 20 02:39:02 both RSOC and CSOC are currently at 20 Aug 20 02:39:24 If you run it without options, what does it say for last measured discharge? Aug 20 02:39:37 1511Mah Aug 20 02:39:51 a bit too high :) Aug 20 02:40:02 what does that mean? Aug 20 02:40:37 I do know that when I went to my phone earlier to check something, it was totally flat as in auto-power-off Aug 20 02:40:51 The bq27200 chip is by default calibrated for a 2000mAh battery. It has the ability to learn the actual capacity, but the step from 2000 to 1320 is kinda big, so usually you don't see it relearning all the way Aug 20 02:41:13 yes I know for a fact I had it charged all the way to green last night Aug 20 02:41:29 I know because I made a phone call then plugged it in to recharge Aug 20 02:41:52 Best thing to do is to let it charge all the way until it turns green Aug 20 02:42:01 then unplug it and see what happens Aug 20 02:42:36 right now its at 20% Aug 20 02:43:23 e-yes Aug 20 02:43:24 sup Aug 20 02:44:33 A new battery for my phone is the last thing I want to have to buy so lets hope its not broken Aug 20 02:45:26 This is one of the reasons why I like the N900, you can get so much technical information about what the battery is doing and is supposed to be doing Aug 20 02:46:01 On an iPhone or Android device, you would probably only get a "hey its charging" indicator Aug 20 02:46:06 and no way to know how full it is Aug 20 02:46:13 or what its doing Aug 20 02:51:19 in fact, IIRC you can get some info out of batteries on android Aug 20 02:51:48 on iphone on the other hand... Aug 20 02:51:59 can you even change battery on an iphone? Aug 20 02:55:13 also Aug 20 02:55:22 where is this battery shellscript in question? Aug 20 02:55:41 FIQ|n900, no, and even macbooks now have their batteries glued in... Aug 20 02:55:46 i.e. bq27200.sh Aug 20 02:55:55 nox-: evil Aug 20 02:56:03 but that's typical apple Aug 20 02:56:23 any single part broken? go and buy a new mac/iphone/whatever! Aug 20 02:56:31 indeed Aug 20 02:56:49 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence Aug 20 02:58:41 FIQ|n900, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar - become root, put it in /root, tar -xf bq.tar, ./bq27200.sh Aug 20 02:59:31 or ./bq27200.sh 5 Aug 20 02:59:46 for a line by line monitoring output every 5 secs **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 20 02:59:59 2012