**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 21 02:59:58 2012 Aug 21 07:38:35 pavlz: ECHAN Aug 21 08:06:18 good morning Aug 21 10:25:22 ~seen zeq Aug 21 10:25:29 zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 1h 46m 59s ago, saying: 'I'm guessing I need his xulrunner+qtmozembed..?'. Aug 21 10:25:38 ~seen zeq1 Aug 21 10:25:39 zeq1 <~s_j_newbu@cpc19-rdng21-2-0-cust106.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 15h 39m 17s ago, saying: 'good question nfc'. Aug 21 10:25:48 freemangordon: seen zeq? Aug 21 15:12:26 ShadowJK, ping Aug 21 15:12:32 could You look @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1254046&postcount=24 Aug 21 15:12:32 ? Aug 21 15:13:04 this guy (well known in Community, so not some hoax-like one) claim to have access to $$$ tools required to replace chips on devices like N900 Aug 21 15:13:37 could You write him everything You know about parts required to upgrade N900 RAM to 1GB, like You've explained me, some times ago? You know, the ones hardly obtainable, but offering max compatibility Aug 21 15:13:53 (same type of oneNAND, just with higher RAM, like 512 or 1GB, prefferably last one) Aug 21 15:14:13 it would be awesome, if someone would manage to do that. not holding my breath, but definitelly keeping my thumbs Aug 21 16:04:37 hey guys! I am an long time N900 user. It's been a while, almost no updates are coming to my phone and I decided to ask how is Maemo community, is it all slowly dying or is Maemo OS having any progress/hope? Aug 21 16:05:06 louigi: ever heard of CSSU? Aug 21 16:05:18 freemangordon, yes, but not installed Aug 21 16:05:37 should I? maybe you can give me links to red about it? Would be happy to learn more Aug 21 16:06:29 sure, hold on Aug 21 16:07:20 louigi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Aug 21 16:07:42 freemangordon, thank you very much, reading Aug 21 16:07:51 louigi, if You ask me, Maemo development have more momentum now than in any point in time, before :) Aug 21 16:08:03 see kernel-power and cssu linked, kindly, by freemangordon Aug 21 16:08:42 Estel_, guys, but does Maemo has hope on other devices? I mean, after N900 devices die out eventually - r there any devices we can go? Aug 21 16:09:13 louigi: none AFAIK Aug 21 16:14:01 i have to be honest - although there are more sleek phones out there, N900 is the best portable device so far Aug 21 16:14:04 for me Aug 21 16:18:25 louigi: you're not the only one. But actually Estel_ is right, there is lots of development happening lately Aug 21 16:19:11 louigi, it's because N900 is only true computer (with phone functions) of such size Aug 21 16:19:38 as opposed to later devices, which were just smartphones, with *some* computer funcionalities, strictly restricted Aug 21 16:27:54 Estel_, indeed. I actually work at Nokia and witnessed the rise of N900, which at Nokia was perceived as surprise success Aug 21 16:28:31 louigi: any access to the fremantle source code? :D:D:D Aug 21 16:28:36 :) Aug 21 16:28:51 we can arrange equador political passport for You ;) Aug 21 16:29:14 no need to fear Nokia's wraith, You will have a tea with wikileaks founder in ambassy Aug 21 16:29:14 be welcome in bulgaria, it is nearer with the same conditions :D Aug 21 16:29:16 freemangordon, Estel_ hehe. Nope. Unfortunately, our office has no access to developers - in fact, after Windows Phone announcement, I am guessing all those people have left the company a year ago already Aug 21 16:29:17 * Estel_ teases Aug 21 16:29:32 hehe Aug 21 16:30:02 more or less, some before, some just few months back in time... Aug 21 16:30:15 I myself was close to saying - I quit Aug 21 16:30:30 but actually I am being cut now, so... Aug 21 16:30:36 well, don't makje me go into details about Nokia and their way of marketting devices like N900, 808 pureview, etc Aug 21 16:30:39 will leave the company soon myself Aug 21 16:30:54 yeah, many of us in Nokia felt marketing sucks Aug 21 16:31:03 it is a known public thing, no need to be a Nokian to know that Aug 21 16:31:14 marketing, execs, etc, someone should buy them book about commodore fail :) Aug 21 16:31:35 it's not only about sucking marketing - it's about marketing sucking on purpose (at least in case of 808 pureview) Aug 21 16:32:02 You need to be quite a moron to actually do everything You can to cut down sales of You already finished and available product Aug 21 16:32:07 Estel_, well, I can tell you this: Aug 21 16:32:33 in Poland, we had 30 808 pureview available for purchase. Or was it 50? Anyway, 90% of people heard, when tried to buy it, that it's not available Aug 21 16:32:36 I talked to a manager who was close to managers who actually oversaw the N900 development and release. He said they were actually considering not releasing N900 at all. Aug 21 16:32:40 even at such absurdish high price Aug 21 16:32:54 So I think people there just have no idea what linux is and what people might want Aug 21 16:33:07 Nokia devs aren't idiots - usually - but execs are, mostly Aug 21 16:33:16 devs are good usually Aug 21 16:33:20 in fact, Nokia had nice ammount of linux-oriented people in staff Aug 21 16:33:39 devs *were* good Aug 21 16:33:48 last batches of them were laid off in last few months Aug 21 16:34:00 due closing of R&D department Aug 21 16:34:20 well, fuck them, I hope that Jolla will provide something more usable than harmattan devices :) Aug 21 16:34:42 what's Jolla? Aug 21 16:36:09 google jolla ;) Aug 21 16:36:20 basically, group of ex-nokians, that formed small company Aug 21 16:36:27 planning to release consumer device in one years time Aug 21 16:36:33 one year* Aug 21 16:36:36 wow Aug 21 16:36:38 based on Mer Aug 21 16:36:44 (google Mer :) ) Aug 21 16:36:59 (Mer is 100% FOSS continuation of Meego) Aug 21 16:37:33 wow, so we do have hope! Aug 21 16:37:34 (also see #mer channel, but don't ask them about jolla, jolla got own channel IIRC, or at least stupid twitter feed) Aug 21 16:37:42 yes Aug 21 16:38:03 in other case, well, communtiy always can grown up to the point of designing own FOS hardware :) Aug 21 16:39:57 Estel_, I really hope fos hardware is possible Aug 21 16:40:05 i heard it is complicated stuff Aug 21 16:40:27 sur,e it is, but few parties succeed, more or less Aug 21 16:40:49 open pandora, raspberry pi (not 100% FOS, but much more than what we have now, even inside N900) Aug 21 16:41:13 also, many design ideas can be re-used - for example, from Pi's designs that are FOS (even if some components used inside aren't) Aug 21 16:41:23 there is no need to start from complete sscratch Aug 21 16:45:35 Estel_, the problem is not in designing, but in mass producing Aug 21 16:46:20 "mass" producing isn't any problem at all, currently, It's all about designing it properly Aug 21 16:46:33 few hundred units, for start, can be ordered from china, quite easily Aug 21 16:46:41 (to manufacture them from design) Aug 21 16:47:14 Estel_, there is a company in china that does custom designs? Aug 21 16:47:17 Rpi also did it - they paired up with farnell and rcomponents later, noly for handling delivery to super-interested users Aug 21 16:47:47 there are tons of companies in china, that can order manufacturing of custom designs, if You want something like 300-500 devices Aug 21 16:47:53 it's jsut matter of price dropping with more Aug 21 16:48:58 jollamobile channel is here Aug 21 16:49:13 #jollamobile Aug 21 16:52:06 gotta get there ;) Aug 21 16:52:30 anyway, guys happy for good news, I am happy our N900 community is active! Aug 21 16:52:32 btw! Aug 21 16:52:45 I installed CloneKeen today and maybe someone can help me out Aug 21 16:53:02 the arrow keys don't work - only Left and Right works, not Up and Down Aug 21 16:53:33 I have no idea what CloneKeen is Aug 21 16:53:49 maybe it's authot had keyboard layout without up and down arrow?:P Aug 21 16:54:29 CloneKeen is a game - slone of Commander Keen Aug 21 16:54:32 clone Aug 21 16:55:00 I see Aug 21 17:17:18 lv/win 21 Aug 21 17:22:13 Estel_: know much about the Rpi? been hearing a lot of problems with its USB Aug 21 17:22:50 Luke-Jr, I have 2 of them lying on my desk, but haven't had time to look at it, yet, i.e. to even run it Aug 21 17:22:58 >_< Aug 21 17:23:10 I noticed that they made microUSb similarly to one found in N900 Aug 21 17:23:26 even planned to reinforce it like N900 one, after brief look, IIRC Aug 21 17:24:24 Estel_: well, the issues I've been hearing are more like USB data dropouts with more than 1 device Aug 21 17:24:35 ough, downlink USB? Aug 21 17:24:42 ? Aug 21 17:24:44 any statement from Rpi foundation about it? Aug 21 17:24:49 aka hosatmode hub Aug 21 17:24:49 not afaik Aug 21 17:24:52 hostmode* Aug 21 17:25:08 Rpi A or B? I have 2 B variants Aug 21 17:25:22 I'm not sure, the bug reports didn't specify Aug 21 17:30:15 hi all Aug 21 17:30:56 hi there Aug 21 17:31:11 yo Aug 21 17:32:34 who knows, can i configure headset-control to increase volume when holding headset button? Aug 21 17:32:55 no Aug 21 17:33:07 maybe Aug 21 17:33:14 but You can buy bh-214 for ~10 usd, it have volume buttons on it ;) Aug 21 17:33:26 and you can connect any kind of jack audio output to it Aug 21 17:34:33 vdv: if you use really old version of headset control, v1.2 I think. It used scripts and dbus 'n shit. Aug 21 17:59:18 Estel_, good tip :) Aug 21 18:00:29 vi_, i'll try old version too Aug 21 18:06:04 vdv: or alternatively a headphone extension lead w/ volume control, and leave the volume on the device @ max. Aug 21 18:09:06 sixwheeledbeast, :) Aug 21 18:11:58 saves having BT on eating the battery Aug 21 18:20:30 nom nom nom Aug 21 18:20:33 tasty battery Aug 21 18:20:40 sup guys :P Aug 21 18:23:48 sup, how do you like your batteries, boiled, fried or poached? Aug 21 18:26:41 sixwheeledbeast: raw meat Aug 21 19:01:27 vi_, ping Aug 21 19:09:17 Hey guys, did I miss anything interesting over the weekend? Aug 21 19:10:10 zeq1: blackjack and hookers Aug 21 19:11:29 ZogG_laptop: why didn't anybody tell me?!? ;) Aug 21 19:11:58 zeq1: yeah, there was a lot of fun on the Black Sea coast Aug 21 19:12:02 zeq1: we knew you would take all hookers and win all money, waited till you go away foor a while Aug 21 19:12:09 zeq1: you were missing Aug 21 19:12:15 :D:D:D Aug 21 19:12:30 freemangordon: had a meeting? Aug 21 19:13:01 ZogG_laptop: rephrase please? Aug 21 19:13:16 with whom? Aug 21 19:13:51 :) Aug 21 19:15:02 freemangordon: i dunno, you said on Black Sea Aug 21 19:15:07 Anyway, I'm back now. Just had a busy weekend off-line, (un-)decorating our bedroom, and _trying_ to fix my sisters car.. Aug 21 19:16:14 ZogG_laptop: aah, no, it was me and my GF, we had lots of fun together (as usually) Aug 21 19:16:29 zeq1: glad to hear you're back Aug 21 19:16:54 freemangordon: does she have n900? Aug 21 19:18:29 ZogG_laptop: no Aug 21 19:19:00 freemangordon: how can it be? :P Aug 21 19:19:10 vi_, did you send that N900? Aug 21 19:20:01 ZogG_laptop: well, my sister has, her boyfriend has and a friend of mine (again girl) has. That is pretty enough by any measures :D Aug 21 19:20:21 freemangordon: you are bugged enuf you are saying :P Aug 21 19:20:29 ;) Aug 21 19:20:42 well, actually not, n900 runs ok Aug 21 19:22:38 freemangordon: I mentioned the other day I was looking through romaxa's trees on hg.mozilla.org in order to try building the IPCLiteAPI, but I couldn't really work out which I needed. Have you looked at all? Aug 21 19:28:18 * zeq1 curses at Empathy Aug 21 19:29:37 welcome back zeq :) Aug 21 19:30:10 You certainly missed some politics inside Maemo, so nothing to regret ;) Aug 21 19:30:32 does anyone know if R&D flag power_button does require full R&D mode? Aug 21 19:30:46 I got pissed enough by act_dead starting everytime I want to turn device off and on, later Aug 21 19:30:56 I'm going to switch to my n900, empathy is being annoying Aug 21 19:31:02 disassembled N900 today, and emasured everything via multimeter - as expected nothiong wrong Aug 21 19:31:20 (as expected, because both usb data and charging works 100% OK) Aug 21 19:31:53 no freaking idea why it thinks that it should enter act_dead on every power button press, unless I start pushing it 0.01 second after inserting battery (probably, before some capacitor charges) Aug 21 19:32:09 act_dead must die! :P Aug 21 19:32:30 Estel_: maybe it has something to do with the backup battery being completely dead? Aug 21 19:32:41 nope, tried that :( Aug 21 19:32:55 it started with latets kernel-power and bq2415 usage, I even blamed it for a while Aug 21 19:33:05 but I can't prove it's directly related, and I seem to be only one affected Aug 21 19:33:14 kerio had such episode, but it dissapeared on it's own Aug 21 19:33:34 now my situations looks that N900 works 100% fine, no increased power usage, no problem with usb connection, wall charged detected properly, etc Aug 21 19:33:46 but qwhen i turn it off, and try to turn on again, it boots up in act_dead Aug 21 19:33:49 reason-unknown Aug 21 19:33:58 ? Aug 21 19:34:09 solution - take battery out, put it inside. If You feel vibration, it means that it entered act_dead again, need to repeat Aug 21 19:34:22 if it doesn't act on entering battery I need to push power button VERY fast Aug 21 19:34:28 and it will start to light up normally, then boot normally Aug 21 19:34:39 if I wait second too long, it again enters act_dead on power_button press Aug 21 19:34:41 strange as hell Aug 21 19:35:03 2nd solution - connect it to charger, it will enter real act_dead with charging, Then, I can boot up with no problems Aug 21 19:36:23 somehow, I feel that if I sue bq2415 during runtime, it's harder to boot device properly afterwards (it's more eprsistent in running into act_dead) Aug 21 19:36:31 I've eliminated every possible hardware issue that came to my mind Aug 21 19:36:40 no freaking idea :P Aug 21 19:37:17 I've never used R&D mdoe, as I never needed to - everything was fixable. But, vi suggested to use power_button flag, that makes device enter normal boot on every power button press, probably eliminating act_dead whatsoever Aug 21 19:37:32 I'm just curious if it's possible to enable this flag without entering act_dead as whole Aug 21 19:37:34 tfu Aug 21 19:37:42 without entering R&D as whole* I mean Aug 21 19:39:11 btw it's total lottery, if device will enter act_dead instantly, upon inserting battery. 99% of time it does, I must use this remaining 1% to enter normal boot (if I'm not too slow with rpessing power button). Somewhat, if device spend 5 minutes or so without battery (or shorter, it's random), chances are much higher Aug 21 19:40:01 DocScrutinizer05 suggested gaia missconfiguration, or voltage appliied to vbus when it shouldn't (via update in kernel-power, that allow bq2415 to work), but I'm too noobish at kernel developing, to properly trace responsible change in kernel-power patches Aug 21 19:40:24 it's also possible that it's mix of my personal settings that catalised bug in kernel-power... Or even something totally unrelated ;) Aug 21 19:41:34 zeq, I feel as being specialist of strange problems (proud of never needing reflash to solve them, sooner or later :P ) Aug 21 19:42:30 + probably only one person that needed to revive main device by cutting out 5mmx5mm part of motherboard... Just sold it today in local wanna-be ebay site, only 12 less than I've paid for completely working one (that I used as motherboard replacement) Aug 21 19:43:12 Estel_: what did you cut off??? Aug 21 19:44:15 whole part holding USB, as it's pads were screwed inside, making them shorted, even when i've scrapped pads totally Aug 21 19:44:27 bonus - bq27200 were not available even via i2c Aug 21 19:44:32 but device was working :P Aug 21 19:44:48 so I suppose that by cutting this part of PCB, I've also cut off tracks to charging chip and battery gaude Aug 21 19:44:52 gauge* Aug 21 19:45:13 ah, and camera was producing only "grey mass" - module is OK, I've scavenged it and teste don working N900, today Aug 21 19:45:51 (I'll use spare module as testbed for replacing Ir filter with normal glass, and using it as IR camera module :D add to this bunch of high-power Ir diodes, and You have mid-range night vision device :P) Aug 21 19:46:28 nice idea! :) Aug 21 19:46:37 (as N900 camera have quite high IR sensibility, even withnn filter, I suppose that it will be good thing for day Ir artistic photo, and - through viewfinder - night vision device for night) Aug 21 19:47:23 anyway, I've sold this device without USB and camera module as "unknown condition" Aug 21 19:47:28 never buy "unknown condition" thingsa Aug 21 19:48:17 well, actually, I wasn't bitchy like that - I've written that USB doesn't worr and isn't present, just lied that I was second owner, and first one tried to repair it and failed, while I haven't Aug 21 19:48:25 good excuse for lacking 5mmx5mm part of PCB? :P Aug 21 19:48:49 + I've listed things that works for sure (not listing camera module amonsgt them), and stating that I absolutely can't guarante working of other components Aug 21 19:49:35 Maybe you shouldn't be admitting all that here..? Aug 21 19:49:40 I've also written, that I( can test any component on request, before selling Aug 21 19:49:48 no worries, it wasn't sold on TMO :P Aug 21 19:50:10 it's rather about "how to get most ammount of money from your broken N900 and buy working one" Aug 21 19:50:32 one person, literally ONE, asked about camera, and I've replied honewstly, that after checking, it doesn't work. Aug 21 19:50:41 now, who is to be blamed?:P Aug 21 19:51:07 seriously though, person that bought it was only interested in using it as wifi tablet, never cared about camera or usb Aug 21 19:51:12 * zeq is off to feed the dog Aug 21 19:51:19 bon apetit Aug 21 19:52:40 AFAIK everyone who bought device on TMO is sastisfied - It's different class of selling attempt (than stuffin trash on wanna-be-ebays), and I take *much* care to check everything, and ensure that everything is working. BTw, I've also bought devices from wanna-be-ebays too, and my usual way of doing so is writing receiving protocol, wioth imei listed... Aug 21 19:52:45 then, checking everything Aug 21 19:53:07 and if something is fubar, and was declared as working, I go to authorised service, take another protocol with IMEI listed and things that doesn't work... Aug 21 19:53:29 and send device + both protocols (receiving protocol proves, that device in service was same as device received) with demand of money return Aug 21 19:53:34 it *always* work Aug 21 19:53:59 I'm writing it here, noyl because it may be useful for some people that wan't to buy used n90 0from wanna-be-ebay or ebays Aug 21 19:54:16 *never* buy unknow condition - if someone sell such precious device, he would take minimal effort to check it, and sell for more, if it's working Aug 21 19:55:03 also, be sure to insure Your ass, as wanna-be-ebays is real jungle, and many people try to cheat, even if they state 100% working device :( OTOH, it's real pleasure to outsmart "wanna-be-smart" scammers, that count on you receiving faulty device, and inability to prove, that you haven't swapped it Aug 21 19:56:33 same apply for real-life purchasing of secopnd-hand devices from local outlets. That's why I'm able to buy 100% working N900's in good condition, and sell it on TMO for such small price. I've eliminated risk of buying one with hidden faults (and it happens very often), as I'm always receiving money for it, due to documenting every step with device, unless i'm 100% sure that every single sensor works ok Aug 21 19:56:57 well, at elast those devices land in hands of dedicated owners, through N900, not in trash bin or cut apart for parts ;) Aug 21 19:58:56 Estel_: as well as the sensors ever did... the proximity sensor in sunlight issue is a PITA Aug 21 19:59:15 hm? Never experienced it? Aug 21 19:59:16 Estel_: So you have a small list of IMEI's that are faulty? Useful :) Aug 21 19:59:32 sixwheeledbeast, yea. No idea how to change IMEI on n900, honestly, though Aug 21 19:59:37 but hong-kong folks are doing it Aug 21 19:59:46 and printing fake labels, to glue it into N900 cases Aug 21 19:59:51 (with "made in finland"...) Aug 21 20:00:01 (and new, fake imei, which match one in device) Aug 21 20:00:05 zeq: ? Aug 21 20:00:05 so it must be possible Aug 21 20:00:24 DocScrutinizer05: hi Aug 21 20:01:23 never heard or encountered proximitysensor-in-sunlight problem Aug 21 20:01:56 Am I the only one who finds the proximity sensor gets triggered in bright light? Aug 21 20:02:03 Estel_: Yer seen that odd post on TMO that was phishing for information how to do this. Aug 21 20:02:20 what makes you think it get triggered? Aug 21 20:02:30 sixwheeledbeast, yea Aug 21 20:02:42 zeq, I've never encountered it. Maybe You have covered it with protector foil? Aug 21 20:02:55 in such case, some angle of sunlight would be able to trigger it Aug 21 20:03:07 zeq: maybe I never been in a situation where operation mode would even notice such triggering Aug 21 20:04:46 zeq: are you sure you don't confuse that with backlight off in bright ambient light? Aug 21 20:04:50 When the phone rings, if you go to answer while moving the phone from a shaded location to a sunlit location the screen blanks and locks Aug 21 20:05:07 ummm Aug 21 20:05:14 when indoors it doesn't happen Aug 21 20:06:04 I've also experienced it with the proximity activated hacks that are available Aug 21 20:06:49 (although I don't have anything like that on there now) Aug 21 20:08:12 using the unlock switch allows the phone to be answered but then the proximity sensor doesn't usually relock the screen when put to ear... Aug 21 20:08:38 sounds more like a kernel bug Aug 21 20:08:55 or dbus glitch Aug 21 20:09:55 could be, but it behaviour I've had since I can remember. Not saying it definitely does happen on stock, since that I can't remember! Aug 21 20:09:57 :P Aug 21 20:13:16 zeq: please investigate with ""watch -n 1 -p cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state"" Aug 21 20:15:32 Okay I'll give it a try tomorrow. Lack of sun right now! ;) Aug 21 20:15:43 same here :-) Aug 21 20:15:52 zeq: !! Aug 21 20:15:58 you sonovvagun! Aug 21 20:16:33 hi vi_ :) Aug 21 20:16:40 you should be expecting a parcel tomorrow. Aug 21 20:17:01 ah! :) Aug 21 20:17:19 two devices to test it with! :) Aug 21 20:17:56 and one can be flashed to stock if it isn't already Aug 21 20:18:04 zeq: you know the backlight-off function that kicks in in very bright ambient light? Aug 21 20:18:05 when you receive it, can you post somthing in the thread? Aug 21 20:18:20 everyone loves closure on a good story. Aug 21 20:18:49 DocScrutinizer05: you have fixed MCE??? Aug 21 20:19:28 DocScrutinizer05: it isn't that. the screen is actually locked. Aug 21 20:19:44 vi_: that I will. Aug 21 20:22:18 vi__: no, I haven't. What makes you think I have? Aug 21 20:25:47 how difficult would it be to write a bluetooth PAN plugin? Aug 21 20:26:35 maybe not worth it for bandwith limitations Aug 21 20:29:16 eh? I thought BT-PAN exists Aug 21 20:30:52 http://www.google.de/search?q=n900+bt+pan Aug 21 20:33:40 zeq: ^^^ Aug 21 20:33:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 Aug 21 20:37:13 Thanks Doc Aug 21 20:37:23 yw Aug 21 22:17:08 little question - is it possible to remove R&D icon from boot splash, when R&D flag is enabled? I know, it'saesthetic question ;) Aug 21 22:30:26 Estel_, The usb on RPi is very shitty Aug 21 22:30:36 uplink or downlink? Aug 21 22:30:45 (microUSB or HUB) Aug 21 22:31:03 and software-side, or hardware-side? Aug 21 22:31:04 Estel_, hub. i am using a soundcard with it Aug 21 22:31:28 Estel_, the audio is awful, too much noise on it. Aug 21 22:31:47 erm, noise should appear only on analog transfer? Aug 21 22:32:03 with usb soundcard, you should either get "glitches" in sound, no sound at all, or clear sound, never noises Aug 21 22:32:07 they have big issues with usb 1.1 products Aug 21 22:32:28 strange. Could Yuo spare links to discussion on rpi forum or statement from foundation? Aug 21 22:32:35 the soundcard works fine on other linux boxes. Aug 21 22:32:37 it's big surprise, 2.0 works better for it than 1.1? 0_o? Aug 21 22:33:03 I belive, but it's still strange, as digital transfer through usb should *never* produce "noise" like analog one Aug 21 22:33:14 do you have variant A or B (of Pi) Aug 21 22:33:22 i had bought RPi to make a ices/icecast server. Now i am having to use usb of a openwrt router Aug 21 22:33:33 variant B Aug 21 22:34:20 RPi is best if you dont use the usb port! Aug 21 22:34:53 which i wasnt aware of before buying Aug 21 22:37:05 Estel_, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097 Aug 21 22:37:24 thanks a lot Aug 21 22:37:28 damn, this usb thing sounds sad Aug 21 22:37:53 BTW, I'm currently logged to openwrt router, trying to find reaver... not compiled for openwrt, maybe optware have it Aug 21 22:42:11 damn, no reaver for openwrt? Aug 21 22:55:27 trumee, whoa. I hope that it's jsut software issue, not some fail in shielding or impendance Aug 21 22:55:35 well, shields can be adjusted with metallic case... Aug 21 22:56:25 that would *i hope* eliminate reports of usb spazming out when connected to external monitor via HDMI... but some other reports looks terryfing, considering that Rpi USb is main conneciton to outside world (next to ethernet, or even bigger than eth) Aug 21 23:04:46 I would assume usb audio is due to interrupts not being serviced, assuming the power is fine Aug 21 23:36:09 mavhc, but it would be noise, or rather disorted audio? I think about the latter Aug 21 23:40:53 depends how usb audio works I suppose, but if it's missing packets and yet the speakers still think it's a valid stream, maybe Aug 21 23:41:35 does anybody know where the ram is located ad on the N900? Aug 21 23:41:36 ram chip Aug 22 00:08:43 wasn't it easier to ping me here?:P Aug 22 00:08:49 SoC Aug 22 00:08:53 ^^^ Aug 22 00:08:58 It's soldered on the CPU Aug 22 00:09:02 oneNAND Aug 22 00:09:04 Estel_, yeah :p figured that out later haha Aug 22 00:09:11 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_11.jpeg Aug 22 00:09:12 so, next question, as I( suppose, where CPu is located?:) Aug 22 00:09:18 No Aug 22 00:09:27 Next question is can we replace ram Aug 22 00:09:31 To that I say no Aug 22 00:09:38 HtheB have access to $$$ tools Aug 22 00:09:44 for soldering such things Aug 22 00:09:48 It's like an asymptote Aug 22 00:09:59 It never reaches no, but it gets close Aug 22 00:10:04 so can we move from "no, we can't" - that we already heard and acknowledged - to, "if we could, what we would exactly need to do" ;0 Aug 22 00:10:35 Sacrifice ten N900s Aug 22 00:10:55 for example, on picture HtheB provided, which one is OneNAND? is it topmost, and CPu under?:) Aug 22 00:11:50 MohammadAG, I know people who would sacrifice kindley, not only ten N900, to get N950 - and N900 with 1Gb of rAM would be *much* more useful than N950 Aug 22 00:12:02 not to mention very rare Aug 22 00:12:23 not to mention easily sold for 200k dollars for collectors, in 15 years time :P Aug 22 00:12:37 so again, lets go to "how, theoretically, we should do it" ;) Aug 22 00:12:50 HtheB, agaik, shadowJk went most far, when it comes to theoretizing about it Aug 22 00:12:56 long time ago, he even told me names of components Aug 22 00:13:19 (noting, that 512 RAm and 1GB ram version of exactly same oneNAND exist,. but are hard to get) Aug 22 00:13:21 Could be wrong but I think it's next to sim Aug 22 00:13:30 Well under vibra in pic Aug 22 00:13:32 unfortunately, i don't remember it, of course, and huaven't noted, due to theoretical impossibility of doing so Aug 22 00:13:51 damn it Aug 22 00:13:57 HtheB, I pinged ShadowJk about Your thread (explaining that You have access to infra red PCB soldering station), but he haven't answered yet Aug 22 00:13:58 what about guys like stkeys? Aug 22 00:14:01 DocScrutinizer05 could help Aug 22 00:14:10 Anyway, afaik this was discussed multiple times Aug 22 00:14:10 yea, DocScrutinizer05 for sure know which one is that Aug 22 00:14:39 And we always got to the part "it can't be done" Aug 22 00:14:44 well, i knew it just 2 months ago, when I was talking about possibility of mounting radiator on SoC, connected to metallic body... Aug 22 00:15:01 it seems that when idea is rejected, my brain just deletes info, as I can't reclal it now Aug 22 00:15:03 recall* Aug 22 00:15:16 MohammadAG, sure, but it was always due to lack of tools Aug 22 00:15:20 You mean a heatsink? Aug 22 00:15:24 and low chance of sucess with less expensive tools Aug 22 00:15:28 No, lack of ability afaik Aug 22 00:15:44 MohammadAG, basically I though about removing heat shield and shaping aprt of custom body replacement, to act like radiator Aug 22 00:15:48 with thermal paste etc Aug 22 00:16:00 MohammadAG, lack of ability, due to lack of tools or high cost of obtaining them Aug 22 00:16:25 tools of similar price range, that are used to replace broken graphic cards on notebooks, would make it much more easy Aug 22 00:16:32 not too easy, but possible Aug 22 00:16:43 I'm not holding my breath, but definitelly keeping thumbs for HtheB attempts Aug 22 00:17:14 tnx Aug 22 00:17:16 (and for heatsink thing, it concluded, that thermal conductivity of OneNAND is quite too low to make it feasible, and it's better to put heatsink to ground place) Aug 22 00:17:19 radio transmitter on n950? Aug 22 00:17:32 no, 1GB RAM on n900 :) read backscroll Aug 22 00:17:40 estel, Aug 22 00:17:53 (replace "ground place" with "ground plane") Aug 22 00:18:05 people can change the chip with a ''heatblower'' Aug 22 00:18:09 dont know their names Aug 22 00:18:17 you want to replace RAM? Aug 22 00:18:20 (as otherwise, I would be cooling OneNAND, which isn't bad, but doesn't affect CPu that much) Aug 22 00:18:22 Do the expensive tools include the SoC Aug 22 00:18:38 It's not cheap when not in bulk? Aug 22 00:18:40 -? Aug 22 00:19:01 HtheB, you mean hotair probably, but I'm almsot sure that it's too low tech to replace N900 OneNAND reliably Aug 22 00:19:22 MohammadAG, no idea, but define "not cheap" for me, 300 USD for RA|M upgrade in N900 is worth that, even more Aug 22 00:19:23 my cousins are doing phone repairs by their owns Aug 22 00:19:45 changing all kinds of chips :p Aug 22 00:19:56 with actually pretty cheap stuff Aug 22 00:20:06 HtheB, if he is skilled, who knows, but I wouldn't touch it with long stick without infra-red soldering station, that pre-heat parts of PCB (very rapidly, so heat can't diofusse) in the process Aug 22 00:20:32 No, go up Aug 22 00:20:37 of course, it's true that there are people who can do miracles with proper hot air Aug 22 00:20:39 Afaik it's not cheap at all Aug 22 00:20:40 I just wanted to upgrade my n950 to 64gb, look what were up to now haahhah Aug 22 00:21:12 HtheB, you realize that N900 with microSd slot and 32 internal storage + 1GB of RAM is much better than N950 with 64GB? :P Aug 22 00:21:19 yeah Aug 22 00:21:28 anyway, difficulity level of replacing N950 storage and replacing N900 OneNAND is simillar Aug 22 00:21:31 similar* Aug 22 00:21:32 but its harmattan what makes it better Aug 22 00:21:37 have any of you guys overclocked you n900 what speed works best when overclocking without draining your battery power and to be used daily as you sole and mail phone Aug 22 00:21:40 wowowowot? Aug 22 00:21:49 main* Aug 22 00:21:52 more apps/games Aug 22 00:22:01 Harmattan is such shitty, that I can't even find words, when someone preffer it over our cssu/kernel-power enchanced hildon :P Aug 22 00:22:14 HtheB, harmattan got more "apps"? :/ in which universe? Aug 22 00:22:18 i actually like harmattan Aug 22 00:22:26 Estel_, games like NFS :) Aug 22 00:22:27 and aegis?:P Aug 22 00:22:30 commercial games Aug 22 00:22:34