**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 03:00:00 2012 Aug 23 07:44:57 is there anything like xclip available on maemo, without going the whole easy debian route? Aug 23 07:45:06 i just want to send something to the clipboard over ssh Aug 23 09:08:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85200 Aug 23 09:08:08 aw bcmm left Aug 23 09:08:20 combined with http://whereswalden.com/2009/10/23/pbcopy-and-pbpaste-for-linux/ Aug 23 09:13:43 Having another N900 has given me a really crazy idea: Port LinuxPMI to ARM... :P Aug 23 09:32:18 for those who don't know LinuxPMI is the successor to OpenMosix. Aug 23 10:00:37 Issue with linuxpmi is that it is outdated Aug 23 10:00:52 Mosix is actually up to date but sadly closed source Aug 23 10:01:21 (by outdated i mean not supporting any recent kernels) Aug 23 10:01:59 When I get the time for it I hope to get moisx up and running on a bunch of old half broken laptops i have here :) Aug 23 10:03:58 fomg-optimize: we don't have a recent kernel ;) Aug 23 10:04:12 Well true hehe Aug 23 10:05:02 SIngle system image is just such an awesome way to have a cluster none the less :). So creds for taking interest :) Aug 23 10:05:03 actually what I was thinking after discussing it on #linuxpmi was re-using some of the code here: https://github.com/virtualopensystems/linux-kvm-arm/commits/beagleboard-2.6.29-kvm to provide the infrastructure for the ARM port Aug 23 10:05:57 Aah, interesting! Aug 23 10:06:27 misox can run as a virtual machine by the way Aug 23 10:06:31 *mosix Aug 23 10:06:41 Not efficient at all but still :) Aug 23 10:08:02 Seems you have thought about it properly though :) Aug 23 10:08:23 came to me in a dream ;) Aug 23 10:09:00 spurred on by receiving my devel device :P Aug 23 10:09:37 I should get back to fennec first though ... Aug 23 10:10:28 I have consideret quite a few times to just happen to plug in a few hundred usb stick on all of the universities computers running a single system image solution as a protest to us running windows on all of them, Aug 23 10:10:50 Hopefully finding a research project that needs to work through a lot of data Aug 23 10:10:54 To prove a pint Aug 23 10:11:00 *point Aug 23 10:11:06 And of course run that Aug 23 10:11:15 To show that we have a super computer on campus not being used Aug 23 10:11:37 Of course cerating an event of it all Aug 23 10:11:42 *creating Aug 23 10:12:33 It always has struck me as an awful waste Aug 23 10:13:20 Very much, the bigger the network, the more waste, unless they are running thin clients, but that is not a given Aug 23 10:14:09 Especially schools/unis are slow to adopt thin clients Aug 23 10:15:05 fomg-optimize: IT is a heavy weight, it's not going to budge Aug 23 10:15:21 conservatively MS :) Aug 23 10:15:34 and probably understaffed Aug 23 10:15:56 they're not going to risk their hide to hippies :) Aug 23 10:16:08 Yeah, sigh Aug 23 10:16:26 nobody gets fired for buying IBM/MS/whatever Enterprise-ish Aug 23 10:16:36 Especially since every single computer club on every single campus in the world pretty much all run *nix Aug 23 10:16:59 They have free wisdom and knowdledge there not being used as free slavery Aug 23 10:17:05 I had a hard time convincing the IT people that SSH isn't a hacking software Aug 23 10:17:18 I gave up and put my server on tcp 443 Aug 23 10:17:56 also, they think Cygwin is some sort of Virtualization software, which policy disallows Aug 23 10:18:01 Yeah oh, by the way Aug 23 10:18:10 WE have on campus IT support free for all Aug 23 10:18:16 That is paid by the Uni Aug 23 10:18:39 clueless Aug 23 10:18:42 Let me just say quite a lot of the time is being spent on fixing malware/adware Aug 23 10:18:47 do they need you to install crapware on your machine to use the campus network? Aug 23 10:18:56 Of course Aug 23 10:19:00 lol Aug 23 10:19:37 THough i do believe the printing solution is the only thing needed as such now Aug 23 10:19:38 People have come to accept MS (and now Apple) as the way IT should be. Anything else is just wrong. Aug 23 10:20:00 Well, at least there is one new player Aug 23 10:20:06 also, the crapware only supports Windows Aug 23 10:20:15 Macs and Linux is out Aug 23 10:20:15 Could possibly, maybe in the future make people open to more change Aug 23 10:20:24 Ok, nvm then ;) Aug 23 10:21:07 there was that virus rampage a few years ago Aug 23 10:21:17 fomg-optimize: no new players in established markets. It seems in recent years the effort has been for companies to withdraw from markets pre-emptively. Aug 23 10:21:21 I can't blame them for n00b users overrunning everything Aug 23 10:21:52 maybe they could isolate each node to disallow peer communication Aug 23 10:22:13 it probably breaks some warcraft3 lan party or something Aug 23 10:22:13 I thought about joing the customer support team to get some extra cash, then I realized that supporting windows would decrease my life span, thus costing me more in the end. I would much rather considering being a lab rat Aug 23 10:22:55 heh, customer support is hated by customers, vice versa is also true Aug 23 10:23:01 the mobile space was still relatively immature until Apple and Android divided it up, mature established markets are almost impossible to break without disruptive technology emerging Aug 23 10:23:23 Nokia had it's chance but blew it Aug 23 10:23:34 Not nokia, a certain ceo rather perhaps? Aug 23 10:23:43 yeah, that guy Aug 23 10:23:44 Not to be mentioned by name Aug 23 10:23:46 it had disruptive tech, but lost its nerve Aug 23 10:24:39 I'd say that the mobile space still is rather iamture Aug 23 10:24:51 But openings for new tech is being closed by the day Aug 23 10:25:41 It becomes increasingly difficult for established players to dare rock the boat Aug 23 10:25:54 I really wonder though, is there actually any chance for maemo/meego/tizen/mer any more to actually take any market share? Aug 23 10:26:07 disruption can aversely affect their revenue streams Aug 23 10:26:08 No matter how good it would be Aug 23 10:26:23 not directly IMO Aug 23 10:26:40 *we* have to be more subversive Aug 23 10:26:55 Please explain? Aug 23 10:28:42 The players in the established mobile space will leave gaps which can be filled by truly innovative ideas and implementations that can't be achieved commercially by the big players (due to revenue risk) Aug 23 10:29:37 Ah, got it Aug 23 10:29:55 it's possible to carve out new applications of technology that the market doesn't provide for currently Aug 23 10:30:24 Like the n770 / n800 could have been if it had phone features built in Aug 23 10:30:39 THat was the only thing I though about while using it Aug 23 10:30:46 yes Aug 23 10:31:08 but that's now history of course Aug 23 10:31:18 Yes indeed Aug 23 10:31:38 maybe a future prospect is mobile mesh networking ? Aug 23 10:31:47 by-pass the carriers completely Aug 23 10:31:56 Do you have insight as to why nokie did not combine it with phone feature? Aug 23 10:32:01 It seemed so obvious? Aug 23 10:32:24 ^ as I mentioned above, disruption of their existing revenue stream Aug 23 10:32:40 it was a different part of the company Aug 23 10:32:58 Oh, not enough communcation inter department? Aug 23 10:33:12 Or competition? Aug 23 10:33:17 IMO Aug 23 10:34:43 Meh networking is an interesting approach but then you would have to have someone responsible for getting systematic reception solution, just look at how much trouble all of the free wifi / internet solutions have expanding Aug 23 10:34:53 It was probably seen a quite a coup to the Maemo team to get a cell modem for the N900 Aug 23 10:35:42 fomg-optimize: it would have to be community driven (outside the hackerdom) Aug 23 10:36:20 People consider the hassle of using a mesh network be too high compared to the cost of operators. But do note I am thinking industrialized countries here, not developing ones in which people have a much tighter budget Aug 23 10:36:39 exactly Aug 23 10:36:52 it just needs to be made to "just work" Aug 23 10:37:36 Oh that reminds me of a similar problem a certain free operating system supposedly has ;) Aug 23 10:38:08 And which is now gaining market share in that very same market Aug 23 10:38:23 in fairness, in the early days it DID have that problem Aug 23 10:38:45 Oh, it VERY MUCH did Aug 23 10:39:46 If I dont recall wrong I believe some country is building their own phone network based on wifi Aug 23 10:39:59 mesh? Aug 23 10:40:00 South america perhaps Aug 23 10:40:03 could be Aug 23 10:40:10 Let me try to find it Aug 23 10:40:15 it just needs to be proven viable Aug 23 10:40:26 ANyways it is due to being much lower licensing cost and more freeom Aug 23 10:40:43 And very mountainy so lots of free line of sight from the towers Aug 23 10:42:00 if there's available a cheap commodity router running an OpenWRT variant preconfigured for mesh wifi and voip routing, and handsets preconfigured to integrate with it... Aug 23 10:42:23 it would be interesting Aug 23 10:43:34 perhaps even more-so if some robust MOSIX-style clustering could give each device supercomputer like capabilities ;) Aug 23 10:43:40 who do you contact when it doesn't work? Aug 23 10:44:22 the users would have to contact the local deployer Aug 23 10:44:51 how's it any different to any other village service Aug 23 10:44:55 ? Aug 23 10:46:12 the point is decentralisation and an open platform which doesn't limit what the users can do with it Aug 23 10:46:50 this is mostly just a thought experiment though, right? :) Aug 23 10:47:40 personally, I think the technology exists to implement it Aug 23 10:47:58 The only issue for mobile would be battery drain Aug 23 10:48:07 But the technology very much exists Aug 23 10:48:22 Just look at how well these gaming through internet work Aug 23 10:48:29 I cannot remember the service name Aug 23 10:49:09 Cloud gaming Aug 23 10:49:14 Is the technical term Aug 23 10:49:18 ok Aug 23 10:49:25 similar concept Aug 23 10:49:44 yes, but with server client roles solid Aug 23 10:49:56 But still, the infrastructure is good enough Aug 23 10:50:16 So as long as there is good enough software it is perfectly possible Aug 23 10:50:31 in principle it could be done by a start-up Aug 23 10:51:21 it's just likely to receive a lot of *political* pressure from vested interests Aug 23 10:52:40 perhaps regulatory difficulties in some places, or special discounts from carriers in targeted markets Aug 23 10:52:42 The whole of singapore has free 1mbit wifi Aug 23 10:53:05 Now consider how many buildings it has o penetrate Aug 23 10:53:20 It would be even easier in open landscapes Aug 23 10:53:33 So that's a city-state scale example Aug 23 10:54:10 Yep Aug 23 10:58:45 Macedonia has 95% of population wireless mesh network Aug 23 10:58:49 Hard to find info Aug 23 11:00:40 The issue still remains though Aug 23 11:00:45 Power usage Aug 23 11:01:21 Some proper development would have to be done in low power mesh hardware solutions for phones? Aug 23 11:09:01 don't we have the ideal platform for that? Aug 23 11:14:31 Well true, It's just that I do not know what is already out there Aug 23 11:14:36 Hardware wis Aug 23 11:14:38 e Aug 23 11:15:04 When i run my phone as a hotspot sharing my internet with people my batter drain goes crazy Aug 23 11:15:57 And I often do this, I have unlimited data on my service so as soon as I travel I share my internet for free to everyone unencrypted Aug 23 11:16:13 I seem to be very popular on airports :) Aug 23 11:16:59 the 3G modem draws lots of current Aug 23 11:19:11 Oh god Aug 23 11:19:13 Facepalm Aug 23 11:19:58 Seriously why di I not think of that, I should have tested laptop-phone power usage Aug 23 11:20:18 I have also tested running wifi on but with no users Aug 23 11:20:35 By checking data transfer Aug 23 11:20:47 wifi should be as bad Aug 23 11:20:47 Wifi circuits drain a lot on idle as well Aug 23 11:21:00 shouldn't* Aug 23 11:21:09 It pretty much is actually Aug 23 11:21:30 If i run my phone on wifi from home the battery is drained just as much as if I were using 3g only Aug 23 11:21:40 depends on signal strength Aug 23 11:21:43 It might very well be bad wifi implementation on the phone Aug 23 11:21:53 But reviews have not complained Aug 23 11:21:59 SO i just figure it is normal Aug 23 11:22:11 could be you have a noisy wifi env? Aug 23 11:22:24 lots of other networks? Aug 23 11:22:25 Well not as bad as some people are Aug 23 11:22:45 Residential villa area Aug 23 11:22:50 Not apartment complex Aug 23 11:22:53 So just a few Aug 23 11:23:06 Much worse in the student complex i live in during winter Aug 23 11:23:15 Battery seems to last well with wifi only here Aug 23 11:23:30 Ah, might be the hardware implementation then Aug 23 11:23:43 I'm just glad if it isnt as bad on other phones Aug 23 11:23:51 N900 here Aug 23 11:24:17 I would love to run my wifi hotspot 24/7 but it is impossible even with a huge expanded battery on xperia x10 Aug 23 11:24:53 I remember the n800 wifi being exemplary Aug 23 11:25:03 At least in reception Aug 23 11:25:09 you could try limiting the wifi speed and only using 2G Aug 23 11:25:36 My bandwidth on the service is limited to 1mbit Aug 23 11:25:53 hardly worth 3G then :P Aug 23 11:25:58 Haha Aug 23 11:26:08 No, trust me Edge vs hsdpa Aug 23 11:26:13 Dear god what a difference Aug 23 11:26:23 better latency on 3G Aug 23 11:26:24 I shut off 2g because of how god awful the speeds are Aug 23 11:26:35 Yes, noticable so even web surfing Aug 23 11:26:56 But then perhaps it is the wifi chip in xperia x10 that suck to a great extent Aug 23 11:26:57 it does consume much more power though Aug 23 11:27:02 Rather than wifi it self Aug 23 11:27:17 *in Aug 23 11:27:24 maybe it doesn't do wifi power management? Aug 23 11:27:43 But still, with a mesh network, there would have to be a lot of relaying Aug 23 11:27:52 that would consume much more power Aug 23 11:28:20 yeah, maybe the devices would need to be "docked" quite often Aug 23 11:28:39 like with a cordless landline Aug 23 11:28:51 But I am certain if the interest rises, there will be great technical leaps none the less Aug 23 11:28:59 People are already shutting of wifi to save power Aug 23 11:29:02 Bluetooth even Aug 23 11:29:10 So there is a demand for lower power useage Aug 23 11:29:30 of course Aug 23 11:29:43 So, it might be that the technology will come by itself Aug 23 11:29:55 All that has to be ready are standards to make use of it when it arrives Aug 23 11:30:10 there are already 70 different ad hoc standards competing Aug 23 11:30:21 That number has to decrease or it will be impossible Aug 23 11:30:23 I remember reading about directional semiconductor RF transmitters a few years back Aug 23 11:30:34 I wonder what happened with that? Aug 23 11:31:29 Truth be told, I have no idea what so ever :) Aug 23 11:32:37 What I read was the device would transmit directional narrow beam radio signals instead of broadcast, meaning it used far less power. Aug 23 11:33:25 obviously it needed to know where the target device is relative to its orientation Aug 23 11:36:16 Ah, i've thought about how that ought to be a much better soltuion Aug 23 11:36:58 My 24dbi 2.4ghz antenna is somewhat cumbersome to attach to my phone Aug 23 11:39:03 some interesting papers here: http://www.trondeau.com/grc2012-abstracts/ Aug 23 11:39:58 Sounds interesting: "GNU-radio/USRP-based software-defined radio testbed for distributed beamforming" Aug 23 11:41:14 just conference abstracts so not so many details, I'm sure three's more following the links though. Aug 23 11:42:38 s/three/there/ Aug 23 11:43:00 still no infobot :( Aug 23 11:46:27 Ah, truth be told though, that is way beyond my knowledge level :) Aug 23 11:46:39 But it is all really interesting Aug 23 11:47:33 fomg-optimize: forget about proper battery life if you use software radio Aug 23 11:47:53 those things are tuned for wideband Aug 23 11:48:19 unlike normal cellphones that are tuned to a select few frequencies Aug 23 11:50:23 Yeah, but that was probably not the point, rather that it is possible to do Aug 23 11:50:32 I'm just guessing here :) Aug 23 11:50:43 zeql posted the papers Aug 23 11:52:26 I couldn't find anything referring directly to what I mentioned, but I thought there were some interesting projects there. Aug 23 11:53:16 I thought the beamforming could be useful for interconnecting separate mesh networks perhaps? Aug 23 11:53:32 as we were talking about earlier ^ Aug 23 11:56:54 zeq1: mesh network == high latency, think tor :) Aug 23 11:59:55 Dat be true, but it is still really cool to have your own global network to use when internet gets too closed down due to all copyright laws ;) Aug 23 12:00:18 And especially a mobile one to say bye bye to operators Aug 23 12:06:09 not sure how routing will work Aug 23 12:06:29 or how much battery life will be affected Aug 23 12:53:30 it's expensive to set up cell towers :P Aug 23 12:54:18 deploy towers with mirv misiles Aug 23 12:56:04 the thing about mesh networks is that each additional user roughly halves bandwidth ;p Aug 23 12:56:34 There's only so many times you can do that before not even irc works :) Aug 23 12:56:59 ShadowJK: don't forget 2 hour battery life :) Aug 23 12:57:32 and random lags and packet loss Aug 23 13:00:02 ShadowJK: that's only the case if your routing tables are very inefficient. Aug 23 13:00:47 ShadowJK: if you accept the fact that sometimes (just like TCP does), a connection may not reach its destination, and only *then* start looking for a new route, then you shouldn't have bandwidth problems. Aug 23 13:01:30 * ShadowJK just tested long term idle with charge*.sh and wifi running, projected idle time 73 hours with 1320mAh battery Aug 23 13:01:51 also cellular modem active in standby on 3g Aug 23 13:03:17 I bet it'll be doing more than idling when routing packets from somewhere Aug 23 13:03:52 yeah I was just responding to the "wifi eats as much as 3g" from earlier Aug 23 13:04:28 and as I accidentally left spare N900 on wifi+3g last night i checked what powerdrain over 16 hours had been Aug 23 13:06:02 also, the N900 is what, 3 years old now? 4? Aug 23 13:06:25 Hardly the kind of hardware you should be using for these kind of benchmarks. Aug 23 13:06:55 This is using WRT54GL with tomato firmware. with stock firmware power consumption on n800,n810 and n900 was much much much bigger Aug 23 13:07:16 It's the newest Maemo phone :P Aug 23 13:08:36 how does Andy compare? :) Aug 23 13:08:51 hmm, what do I call the iphone... Aug 23 13:09:08 I can't convince my tablet to idle sufficiently. :P Aug 23 13:09:20 yes, Andy and Steve Aug 23 13:09:39 and havent found any usable way of measuring power consumption reliably Aug 23 13:09:56 but the percentages drop off faster Aug 23 13:10:05 still not sure if there is an android phone that comes close to the n900 in capability Aug 23 13:10:09 not that that's a useful measure. Aug 23 13:11:42 There are little things that annoy on andy. Like opening links in background tab (yay for that feature!), only to discover that when switching to tabs you still have to wait for the page to load, which kinda defeats the point Aug 23 13:13:23 Oh and also trying to listen to netradio, and it stops if you switch to another app or if screen dims :P Aug 23 13:25:01 ~israel Aug 23 13:25:09 hmm Aug 23 13:25:12 ~dhl Aug 23 13:25:25 ~israel-scuks Aug 23 13:25:34 ~israelsuckks Aug 23 13:25:40 ~israelsucks Aug 23 13:25:46 ~israel-sucks Aug 23 13:25:49 ok Aug 23 13:25:55 sorry for spam Aug 23 13:26:18 ... Aug 23 13:26:58 used to be there .. something to do with MAG & N950 iinm Aug 23 13:27:57 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-05-20.log.html#t2012-05-20T00:14:17 Aug 23 13:28:25 ShadowJK: what Aug 23 13:28:32 when you switch apps? Aug 23 13:28:54 no daemonize to taskbar option? Aug 23 13:29:04 no? Aug 23 13:30:10 ShadowJK: the net radio thing Aug 23 13:30:20 it hass to be in your face foreground? Aug 23 13:30:50 s/hass/has/ Aug 23 13:31:06 hmm, infobot died Aug 23 13:31:14 Sicelo: infobot ain't here Aug 23 13:31:19 yes Aug 23 13:31:53 so, has anybody written a dalvik vm that runs in dalvik to manage this? Aug 23 13:32:12 heh, a user mode context switcher, feels sad Aug 23 13:32:13 heh Aug 23 14:34:52 zeq1, what about LinuxPMI cluster of every power user's N900, banded together to bruteforce WPA AES? ;) Aug 23 14:35:10 or, more realistically, to compile something on device Aug 23 15:01:17 Estel_ better create a cluster of every n900 user's computers and share the cpu power among n900's Aug 23 15:01:30 good idea, too :) Aug 23 15:02:38 damn, just copy the 770 beowulf that delivers maemo.org Aug 23 15:08:01 I have KDE4 KIO!!! it copy each file like this: open; while read; do write; done; close; Aug 23 15:08:43 and what happen if I copy big directory which contains some chroot filesystem? Aug 23 15:08:53 /dev/urandom is really funny Aug 23 15:09:34 15GB of something random eat my hdd... Aug 23 15:09:36 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 23 15:09:49 \o/ Aug 23 15:12:28 who was able to write this stupid copy algorithm in KDE4? Aug 23 15:13:00 infobot: welcome back! Aug 23 15:13:01 Welcome to the party, back!! Aug 23 15:13:37 I did not belive that there is developer which can write this copy code for block/character devices... Aug 23 15:13:45 Pali: those who wrote whole KDE4 >:-( Aug 23 15:14:24 do you know any working file manager for linux? Aug 23 15:14:27 ~welcome teotwaki Aug 23 15:14:28 teotwaki, Sup yo? Aug 23 15:14:59 all kde apps using KIO, so every kde file manager is buggy Aug 23 15:15:38 mc is bad too, there is no *proper* for ftp Aug 23 15:15:51 ~welcome infobot Aug 23 15:15:52 infobot, Sup yo? Aug 23 15:15:52 and no working smb or ssh... Aug 23 15:16:45 ssh in mc should work, no? Aug 23 15:17:03 it using some kind of fish... Aug 23 15:17:16 err, yep. seen sth like that Aug 23 15:17:55 it writing all stdout/stderr to terminal Aug 23 15:18:09 and damange mc curses gui Aug 23 15:19:00 and ftp implementation of ftp except that ftp ls command has format of ls -l Aug 23 15:19:30 smb is for some reason disabled in some distributions Aug 23 16:42:06 freemangordon, ping Aug 23 16:42:46 Pali, who ported compat-bluetooth as optional modules for kernel-power (separatae package in past, and integrated currently) Aug 23 16:43:23 MrPingu, are You aware, that free N900 is awaiting for You?:) Aug 23 16:43:41 Estel_: Yes, I even replied ;) Aug 23 16:43:47 nice to hear Aug 23 16:44:14 Had seen it earlier but didn't have to time write a reply :P Aug 23 17:05:42 hi, would there be something like an emergency terminal, or a terminal without X? in case the device has gone really bad Aug 23 17:07:21 inkbottle: only if you installed recoveryboot or backupmenu before... Aug 23 17:07:30 inkbottle, backupmenu and it's recovery shell Aug 23 17:07:34 or what MrPingu said :) Aug 23 17:09:19 freemangordon, Pali, broadcom claims, that model of bluetooth adaptor we have in N900 is able to upgrade to bluetooth 3.0 via software, IF device have also access to 802.11 one, too (Wifi) Aug 23 17:09:20 I don't think i've installed those. But a recovery shell would be great Aug 23 17:09:48 as bluetooth 3.0 is nothing else than 2.1 + high-speed data transfer over 802.11, negotiated by bluetooth 2.1 Aug 23 17:09:58 bluetooth stack in N900 is bluez, from mainstream Aug 23 17:10:26 I wonder if using newest bluetooth-compat and wireless-compat for our wifi, could we convince our bluetooth stack to gain 3.0 capabilities? Aug 23 17:10:53 hardware-wise seems possible, and mainstream bluez even have some "agent" to "interrogate" chip's firmware, if it can accept firmware upgrade Aug 23 17:11:19 maybe updating bluez would be a way to go? Is it related to bluetooth-compat drivers, available from KP, at all? Aug 23 17:17:07 That would be great, an upgrade to BT 3.0 :P Aug 23 17:21:27 it seems that by all means, hardware-wise it's possible. I just wonder if some closed source bloat doesn't prevent us from that Aug 23 17:21:59 if no, it's just matter of someone who would like to take it, and have skills (or will and time to gain them) necessary - which isn't entirely easy in our world, where everyone is overprojected :P Aug 23 17:22:10 be it software or hardware wise Aug 23 17:22:44 even me, who isn't skilled coder at all - I'm doing replacement body, things around Ed and truecrypt, etc, etc, and result is that 2 raspberry Pi's are lying on my desk for 3 weeks, untouched Aug 23 17:24:03 it's great to have "fresh blood", especially as talented as zeq, for example, who out-of-nowhere (almost) joined our KP_CSSU team :) Aug 23 17:33:08 any idea about it, anyone? Aug 23 17:33:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1255008#post1255008 Aug 23 17:33:39 it's kinda dumb, with allt hings we can do, not being able to auto-save photos to encrypted partition (or any other than mmcblk0p1) Aug 23 17:50:01 chem|st, might delete this topic? Aug 23 17:50:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1254684 Aug 23 17:51:43 I see no reason why not. Aug 23 17:52:09 There isn't a fragment of useful information there Aug 23 17:57:30 hello guys... guess what, my phone's microUSB broke! i knew this day was coming Aug 23 18:00:03 now errr Aug 23 18:00:14 the microusb female thingy is attached to the charging cable Aug 23 18:00:26 so i didn't pull it out yet, but it's 100% loose inside, so not glued anymore Aug 23 18:00:28 :( Aug 23 18:00:43 err how do i pull that thing without #%(/ even more? Aug 23 18:00:56 its a sad day for penguin Aug 23 18:04:39 I already got it out.... oh well Aug 23 18:04:49 at least the phone is not broken Aug 23 18:05:45 ~usbfix Aug 23 18:05:45 it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Aug 23 18:05:57 RiD: ^^ Aug 23 18:10:36 Sicelo oh well Aug 23 18:11:56 2 years and 2 months... Aug 23 18:17:26 "plugged in, doesn't work. Hmm weird, let me try to plug out and plug in back" Aug 23 18:17:34 "doesn't work. Meh i'll plug out" Aug 23 18:17:41 and then the female came with it Aug 23 18:24:58 RiD: I suggest you file your charger plug down too as per post 2 on that thread, seems to help reduce issues. Aug 23 18:25:21 it's already too late, but i surely will do if i manage to fix it Aug 23 18:25:23 (the phone usb) Aug 23 18:26:31 I gather that it's a bit late now but it's worth doing IMO, good luck with repairing Aug 23 18:27:08 my father will try to repair it as he's quite used to fixing electronic devices, etc. Aug 23 18:27:27 The problem is that his eyesight isn't that good anymore, and the usb thing is tiny Aug 23 18:28:47 first thing to do is to open it without breaking anything, haha Aug 23 18:32:04 This maybe helpful too ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 Aug 23 19:16:56 Have you seen this "Frankeinsteinian arrangement" yet lol. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86279 Aug 23 19:38:59 sixwheeledbeast, lol Aug 23 19:39:02 what a demolition Aug 23 19:39:12 honestly, I would never do something like that to save 2$ on port... Aug 23 19:39:31 and trade carrying female-to-female hostmode adaptor for carrying male-to-male cable for normal connection and charging :P Aug 23 19:39:40 sounds like bad trade-off, but if it works for him... Aug 23 19:39:55 funny, for hostmode with charging, he need Y-cable with 3 male ends Aug 23 19:40:00 must be looking fine Aug 23 19:41:59 I couldn't believe it, when I looked at the pictures Aug 23 20:24:41 hhello! Aug 23 20:26:18 i need ideas for what to do with an old retired n900. Aug 23 20:26:40 use it? Aug 23 20:26:51 not sure if i wana sell it, so still thinking of how this device could be useful Aug 23 20:27:20 sixwheeledbeast : using an iphone 4s atm Aug 23 20:27:42 samator, considering that You're using inferior device now, and it suits your taste Aug 23 20:27:54 no idea what You may do with n900 :) Is it still working fine? Aug 23 20:28:24 for example, I'm pentesting my network now, with ettercap, sniffing own router password... Kind of practice.... ;) Aug 23 20:28:37 I'm not entirely sure if Your use case match features of N900, though :D Aug 23 20:29:13 well in that case yes it is inferior Aug 23 20:29:41 but the apps are of better quality in general Aug 23 20:30:15 I wouldn't call anything written for apple "a better quality", at all Aug 23 20:30:21 but thats philosophical dispute :) Aug 23 20:30:30 I don't agree, more of them but not better quality Aug 23 20:30:51 I don't see much reason or way to convince You that using Debian programs via easy debian on N900, on full LXDE desktop, is better... Aug 23 20:31:02 or even normal Maemo ones Aug 23 20:31:17 in any type. Games? try running Homeworld (real one, not some mobile pseudo-port) on iphone Aug 23 20:31:23 or jagged alliance ;) Aug 23 20:31:30 or X-Plane Aug 23 20:31:31 or... Aug 23 20:31:39 office suite? LibreOffice. Dot. :P Aug 23 20:31:46 GIMP Aug 23 20:31:50 TrueCrypt Aug 23 20:31:56 hostmode for usb devices Aug 23 20:32:20 resistive screen with pressure sensitivity, so You can paint better than on wacom painting tablet (see TMO thread for drawings) Aug 23 20:32:30 etc etc Aug 23 20:33:13 surre, apple's garden have 234236567325462385 "apps", but msot of them do the same thing, in 5-6 groups. They have apps, we have programs, I use to say :) Aug 23 20:33:54 so if You preffer iphone, well, sell Your N90 0to someone who will be using it hapilly. No idea what you could do, otherwise, if You already exchanged it for inferior device Aug 23 20:34:06 IDK, maybe voip phone? Aug 23 20:34:42 no much reason to not use n900 all the tiem + benefit from real voip capabilities, but... Some people used N800 as voip phone for his parents, You could do the same with n900, despite fact that it's big waste for such amazing device. Aug 23 20:37:28 lol Aug 23 20:38:31 i'll go to nokia idon't*care* once again and see for how much they would fix my n900 issues Aug 23 20:38:34 I think he's gone to check the apple store for hostmode... :) Aug 23 20:38:39 ^haha Aug 23 20:38:53 i was actually setting up some stuff to make use of hostmode when the usb suicided so Aug 23 20:39:28 no hostmode 'till it's fixed Aug 23 20:47:04 hehe, I once used hostmode to play a video file form my external hdd to my tv, turned out that was too much processing and it stuttered all the time Aug 23 20:47:26 though after copying it to the emmc it played fine Aug 23 20:48:16 merlin1991, strange Aug 23 20:48:50 it shouldn't be much processing to read file form external hd, even if our hostmode is indeed limited to 4MB/s Aug 23 21:05:23 °F/°C bug with MeeCast and sowatch 0.4.1 Aug 23 21:17:51 GeneralAntilles: which watch do you have? Aug 23 21:19:32 ZogG_laptop, the original digital. Aug 23 21:19:43 I also ordered a graphite STRATA Aug 23 21:22:14 GeneralAntilles: Metawatch strata? Aug 23 21:22:19 Yeah Aug 23 21:22:23 one on kickstarter? Aug 23 21:22:51 i wanted but to costy for only 5 days battery and it accept only amazon. i don't have it and don't want it. i prefer paypal Aug 23 21:23:07 Uh Aug 23 21:23:13 How is it too costly for 5-days battery? Aug 23 21:23:19 Do you wear your watch to bed? Aug 23 21:25:05 GeneralAntilles: nope, but i don't think watch should be recharged every week. as well i have problems to charge things. i do it with phone only coz it's mostly half-dead or dead by time i go to sleep Aug 23 21:25:27 ZogG_laptop, well, don't expect to own a Bluetooth watch any time soon. :) Aug 23 21:26:41 GeneralAntilles: at least month :P Aug 23 21:26:49 Yeah, not going to happen. Aug 23 21:26:57 I charge mine every night Aug 23 21:27:00 It really doesn't bother me. Aug 23 21:28:53 meta watch is very fine, but tragically overpriced for my taste Aug 23 21:29:09 Way cheaper than a real watch. Aug 23 21:29:31 and honestly, I remember, when one guy did something like that for N900, based on arduino mini or smth like that, I though "who would ever need something like that?" :P Aug 23 21:29:36 w00t? Aug 23 21:29:49 maybe compared to some gold ones Aug 23 21:29:58 Nope Aug 23 21:30:03 Compared to pretty much any decent watch Aug 23 21:30:11 Those usually start around ~$300 Aug 23 21:30:20 erm, how much meta watch costs? maybe I'm not informed correctly? Aug 23 21:30:26 Was $199 Aug 23 21:30:29 GeneralAntilles: wtf Aug 23 21:30:31 no, seriously, Aug 23 21:30:32 The Kickstarter was $159 Aug 23 21:30:45 casio f91w=$10 Aug 23 21:30:46 You're talking about "decent" watches, or some where You pay for name? Aug 23 21:31:00 No, not paying for name Aug 23 21:31:12 I'm talking about good quality entry-level jewelry watches. Aug 23 21:31:19 vi__, different category. Aug 23 21:31:23 call me poor man, i've payed 50$ for mine, and it's working like a charm for years - considered it pricey, at the time Aug 23 21:31:34 but metawatch isn't jewelry Aug 23 21:32:02 jewel ones are expensive, sure, but it's paying for, erm, just like ipod :p Aug 23 21:32:12 but it has bluetooth and nice stuff to pair with n900 and n9 Aug 23 21:32:15 I get comments on mine at least once a week Aug 23 21:32:16 I would expect funcionality, funcionality, and funcionality, from bluetooth watch Aug 23 21:32:19 (and I don't go out that often) Aug 23 21:32:35 and decent watch is still about that price Aug 23 21:32:40 erm, just like with any expensive-not-too-usable-gadget Aug 23 21:32:46 metawatch is actually usable Aug 23 21:32:51 but I would hardly pay half the price Aug 23 21:33:00 Estel_, clearly it's not a product for you, then. Aug 23 21:33:07 if not battery and i having moeny prooblem i would buy Aug 23 21:33:20 not to mentio nthat i'm not necessary target group, due to my mentioned "who would need to use that?" I suppose, that there are many people, that would find good use case for it Aug 23 21:33:51 i had casio in army for about that price and it could survive any weather or situation(even throwing it at wall) Aug 23 21:34:11 GeneralAntilles, don't get me wrong - i'm not criticizing idea - I think that some people would really feel it comfortable (while for me, idea of forwarding things from portable enough device to watch is ridicolous) Aug 23 21:34:14 but price... Aug 23 21:34:15 ZogG_laptop, did it let you incoming alerts on your wrist? Aug 23 21:34:37 where do you have benefit of vibra on wrist vs vibr aon pocket?:P Aug 23 21:34:48 vibra on pocket* sorry for typos Aug 23 21:35:00 I never feel vibra in pocket. Aug 23 21:35:07 GeneralAntilles: nope, i bought it just for army and it worked for about 4 years or more with one battery :P Aug 23 21:35:09 the more I talk about it, the more it looks like pricey gadget. This one at least seems to be free software friendly Aug 23 21:35:10 I also hate having to yank my phone out of my pocket to look at it. Aug 23 21:35:29 GeneralAntilles, why not half-transparent glasses with screen :P Aug 23 21:35:38 you wouldn't ever need to change viewing angle Aug 23 21:36:08 seriously though, I agree, it may be comfortable in some situations. I definitelly doesn't need it, but I can imagine that people may get accustomed to this way of itneracting with mobile computer/phone in pocket Aug 23 21:36:16 Estel_, as of yet, nobody makes those for consumers yet Aug 23 21:36:22 Estel_: you can use it while riding bike or when you can't reach pocket. you can use it faster to switch music, read msg/email. to track the speed or mp while running and so on. it can be usefull. Aug 23 21:36:24 Also: Google's version is $1500. Aug 23 21:36:27 it's jsut the price that put it into "more-gadget-than-useful" for me Aug 23 21:36:30 and price is fair as it's new market there Aug 23 21:36:47 GeneralAntilles, lol @ google's version Aug 23 21:36:49 well Aug 23 21:36:59 if I would make them, i would probably never charge less for them, then :P Aug 23 21:37:13 wait, in half year those would be as part of mobile :P Aug 23 21:37:25 still, not my cup of tea, but i'm sympathetic, as it seems to be 100% FOS(S) spirit, yes? Aug 23 21:37:46 Estel_: i think it's pretty cheap for something barely existing. there are few of them and most of them are from kickstarter : Aug 23 21:37:49 p Aug 23 21:38:02 GeneralAntilles, software is open yes? How hardware looks there? Aug 23 21:38:06 are they going to patent design?:P Aug 23 21:38:26 Estel_, whose software? Aug 23 21:38:32 running on metawatch Aug 23 21:38:34 Oh Aug 23 21:38:37 Yeah, it's open. Aug 23 21:38:52 I wonder, if it's moddable easily. Of course, if someone would dare to mod jewelery :P Aug 23 21:39:07 Yes, you can load your own stuff on there without much trouble. Aug 23 21:39:24 Estel_: don't think hardware moddable easily Aug 23 21:39:27 https://github.com/MetaWatchOpenProjects Aug 23 21:39:32 sounds nice. If they're not going to patent hardware things (design, etc), I might be their target group, after all, just for sake of supporting nice projects Aug 23 21:39:45 but software seems pretty nice. as well with n9 support already :P Aug 23 21:40:11 Estel_: why they shouldn't patent? Aug 23 21:40:28 GeneralAntilles, I wonder if software stack is easidly migrate-able for DIY things, like one guy did with arduino-mini, bluetooth stack, and custom made parts. Aug 23 21:40:43 ZogG, jsut my personal punk'ish anti-patent philosophy ;) Aug 23 21:40:58 I think that it leads to patent trolling, always, just earlier or later Aug 23 21:41:11 Haha. Two watches. Awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQMqK4ziz_E Aug 23 21:41:14 I had not thought of that. Aug 23 21:41:15 * Estel_ waves "hi" to stupid USA jury Aug 23 21:41:23 Estel_: that's why you need to patent as you gonna be sued even if you not :P Aug 23 21:41:36 and they complain, when women wear useless jewelery, eh?:P Aug 23 21:41:59 I don't like patents, since patent office denied me patenting a wheel Aug 23 21:43:11 anyway he has android and iphone4S so if you OpenSource where is maemo/mer ? Aug 23 21:43:20 OTOH, 5 days battery for such device feels awesome Aug 23 21:43:24 I mean, very long uptime Aug 23 21:43:43 Estel_; an australian guy already has that patent Aug 23 21:43:45 comparing normal watches lifetime on battery is comapring grapples to orranges, especially, that normal ones doesn't have rechargeable one Aug 23 21:44:00 ShadowJK, that's wh ythey to;d me to start walking upside down?:P Aug 23 21:44:27 and apple has patent on rectangle and triangle Aug 23 21:44:30 ZogG, I don't care what guy on vide is using personally, ih he make open source thing, that we can use with N900 without fighting with it Aug 23 21:44:32 RE'ing it Aug 23 21:44:32 etc Aug 23 21:44:43 ShadowJK, are we going to patent fractals? Aug 23 21:44:50 i think there is package for n900 Aug 23 21:44:51 and who owns square? Aug 23 21:45:15 GeneralAntilles, You know what i'm dreaming of? wonder if will happen during my lifetime? Aug 23 21:45:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7FisaZsKM Aug 23 21:45:23 contact lens with special functions :) Aug 23 21:45:49 they have already succesfuly introduced conductive patches there, without eye suffering from wearing Aug 23 21:45:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyIET0gWJ0 and wt quick demo :P Aug 23 21:46:21 my personal all-winner device - contact lens with function of multyplying light input (to be enabled via remote, during nighttime, for example) Aug 23 21:46:38 things like semi-transparent screen on contact lense is just icing on cake Aug 23 21:46:43 on top* Aug 23 21:46:44 whatever Aug 23 21:47:17 we all be like in that pixar animated movie Aug 23 21:47:26 WALL-E Aug 23 21:47:32 heck, I would even accept contact lenses that need applying some liquid (like eye medicals) to activate boosting light, and another one to deactivate it... but no much reason for it, after all, it can be controlled remotely via electronic Aug 23 21:47:35 hehe Aug 23 21:47:53 like it or not, bujt I'm 100% sure that screens on contact lenses WILL happen Aug 23 21:48:06 I'm jsut wondering if night vision wil lcome there too ;) Aug 23 21:48:43 or reverse IR filter, + strong IR diodes on clothing. Hah! my kind of jewelery Aug 23 21:49:31 i don't think we have still good night vision equipment Aug 23 21:49:47 GeneralAntilles, do you plan to cover freemangordon's annoucement (on maemo-development mailing list) about stable thumb2 on Maemo officialy confirmed to be flawless? Aug 23 21:49:56 Estel_, didn't see it. Aug 23 21:50:06 Tweet a link to @mwkn. Aug 23 21:50:10 youre subscribed to maemo-development? Aug 23 21:50:13 i used and see some stuff in army, but still it's not that usefull. i would prefer good pocket light :P Aug 23 21:50:17 I don't use tweeter, don't remember?:P Aug 23 21:50:35 ZogG, but honestly, you claim to preffer ScamPal.. erm, paypal over amazon is LOL Aug 23 21:50:56 PayPal is most idiotic, thievish, PITA quasi-bank ever Aug 23 21:51:16 ZogG, currently available - even for civils - night visions devices satisfy me Aug 23 21:51:32 monoculars with powerful IR diodes or reflectors are kinda OK, for up to 500 m Aug 23 21:51:50 basically, it's all about power of IR light beam you may create Aug 23 21:52:11 Estel_: i don't want amazon as it doesn't properly support my country and it doesn't even send things here except books :P Aug 23 21:52:21 I see Aug 23 21:52:27 but PayPal is anti-trustable company Aug 23 21:52:30 in essence Aug 23 21:52:38 i use it only for ebay and it seems fine Aug 23 21:52:44 i don't keep money there as well Aug 23 21:52:48 sure, as it's e-bay sub-project :p Aug 23 21:52:55 so it's ok for me Aug 23 21:53:01 made for ebay and used for ebay :P Aug 23 21:53:15 used by e-bay* Aug 23 21:53:22 as long as e-bay don't want to f*** you, youre fine Aug 23 21:53:27 but ebay is their customer, not You Aug 23 21:53:35 it's like giving own money to mafia, for safe keeping Aug 23 21:54:23 paypal doesn't even respect law enforcement - it think it have right to freely take money from your account, up to 6 months after transaction Aug 23 21:54:54 in fact, in my country, I'm starting a little anti-PayPal campaing, including goverment agencies, as IMO, PayPal is breaking law in many, many points Aug 23 21:55:15 OTOH, bitcoins price seems to be stabilized around 4-5 USD for bitcoin Aug 23 21:55:18 for a year or so Aug 23 21:55:39 maybe it will stabilize even more, so i'll be able to show paypal middle finger even more than I did actually Aug 23 21:56:37 GeneralAntilles, and this meta-watch, does it at least keep time OK without constant synchro with phone? Aug 23 21:57:10 probably hard to say, without testing for a 6 months or so :P Aug 23 21:57:24 and I hardly see anyone having it to wear it without phone connection for 6 months... Aug 23 21:58:37 Estel_: i had this in army ( the huge thing on top is for night vision) http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:M4w-att.jpg Aug 23 21:59:00 Estel_, it does, but it's really not useful without a phone. Aug 23 21:59:02 and i used smaller versions for one eye only, that you can put Aug 23 22:01:11 GeneralAntilles, erm, i hope that it acts likle regular watch without phone? Aug 23 22:01:28 It does. Aug 23 22:01:41 ZogG, lovely old M4 Aug 23 22:01:43 But it's sort of pointless have a $200 Bluetooth watch if you're not going to have something connected to it. Aug 23 22:02:12 GeneralAntilles, jewelery watches costing much more are not connected too :P But I agree Aug 23 22:02:50 Well, I must admit that it like it, with Open nature being most magnetic part Aug 23 22:19:10 hi there.formatted from pc the internal 27gb storage card.but it is ot accesible inside my n900 Aug 23 22:21:40 zsolt_hun, still here? Aug 23 22:21:47 have You formatted it as vfat Aug 23 22:21:50 (fat32)? Aug 23 22:21:58 yes,fat32 Aug 23 22:22:15 please, become root, and give me output of: Aug 23 22:22:17 mount Aug 23 22:22:26 (using pastebing or something like that) Aug 23 22:22:49 also, write /dev/mmcblk0 and use tab for autocompletion (twice), give me result of this Aug 23 22:22:49 made 2 partitions,an 8gb ext3 and the less vfat Aug 23 22:22:55 I see Aug 23 22:22:59 vfat msut be first partition Aug 23 22:23:06 s/msut/must/ Aug 23 22:23:06 Estel_ meant: vfat must be first partition Aug 23 22:23:28 /dev/mmcblk0p1 must be vfat, format less whatever You like. size of vfat is also irrelevant Aug 23 22:23:44 You've probably created first partition as ext3, yes? Aug 23 22:25:39 yes,that's the problem Aug 23 22:27:32 thank you Aug 23 22:27:50 :) glad to help Aug 23 22:28:00 :) Aug 23 22:28:19 When accessing through PC, there must not be a partition table at all Aug 23 22:35:42 formatted the first part as fat32 27gb and the less with ext3 8gb Aug 23 22:36:11 but can't mount it inside phoe Aug 23 22:36:16 phone Aug 23 22:45:34 If you're trying to repartition the emmc, it can't be done in mass storage mode from PC Aug 23 22:46:40 ok,that was the problem,thank you Aug 23 22:47:09 trying with mk2fs iside phone Aug 23 22:51:51 Well, if you mke2fs on patition 2, you'll find your device doesn't boot anymore Aug 23 22:52:46 There's probably a wiki article on how to "safely" repartition emmc Aug 23 22:54:38 i trying to find it Aug 23 23:03:14 Estel_ , until there's special contact lenses out there, you can train your eye to look with an offset at night Aug 23 23:43:50 RiD, what offset?0_o? Aug 23 23:49:07 well, i'm no Aug 23 23:49:15 *i'm no expert and all Aug 23 23:49:44 but the "center" of your eye thing (apologize for my lack of english eye terms knowledge) doesn't receive as much as light as the part around it Aug 23 23:50:36 so if you get used at looking with some vertical offset (or horizontall, depends on your situation) and then focus on what would be the center if you didn't add offset Aug 23 23:50:41 you will see more light Aug 23 23:51:18 horizontal*. For example, pretend you are in a house with the lights turned off, and you live in a place where there's only one or two illumination posts outside, and no traffic or any other bright light Aug 23 23:51:38 you will see the night sky brighter when you're not directly looking at the window Aug 23 23:51:47 but when you look at it, it kind of disappears Aug 23 23:52:06 ^rough and plain non technical explanation Aug 23 23:53:06 Estel_ http://www.wikihow.com/See-in-the-Dark. FIrst tip explains it properly Aug 23 23:54:14 thanks, will definitelly read it. For some reasons, I see i nthe dark better than most people - always roaming freely, where other people use lights - but improving it even more would be nice :) Aug 23 23:54:53 Me too, but that's partially because i'm color blind Aug 23 23:55:15 My father knew some school buddies which had pretty awesome night vision. Aug 23 23:55:24 he said their eyes would glow a little bit at night lol Aug 23 23:55:35 hehe, last one was definitelly a joke ;) Aug 23 23:56:16 but, in fact, never though about this side effect of being color-blind. I'm not, and during night it also take less light for me to lose color orientation, than others Aug 23 23:56:36 I wouldn't be that sure Aug 23 23:56:48 http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/01/x-men-irl-chinese-mutant-can-see-in-the-dark Aug 23 23:57:46 that article is kind of a conspiration joke, but the chinese kid part is legit Aug 23 23:58:31 he, he Aug 24 00:02:18 lol, tip 1 fromt his wiki howto page is ok, but 2 is plain wrong, totally, unless someone want to really damage vision Aug 24 00:02:34 and 5 is even more ridicolous, not to mention [citation needed] Aug 24 00:02:44 4 is interesting, didn't knew about that Aug 24 00:02:54 i only do the 1st tip Aug 24 00:16:37 meantime: http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Ninja Aug 24 00:16:42 :rotfl: Aug 24 00:17:22 it would be plain stupid, if not the feeling, to the very last word, that you're not sure if author was totally serious or totally pulling one's leg Aug 24 00:17:37 if they're so smart, they could write article "how to replace bme in 10 steps" :rotfl: Aug 24 00:20:24 lolo Aug 24 00:24:19 http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Fat-Girl Aug 24 00:43:59 Hi! Is it possible to flash a n90 using a mac? Aug 24 01:05:17 fosstux, Aug 24 01:05:18 yes Aug 24 01:05:24 ~flashing Aug 24 01:05:25 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 24 01:33:37 ~botsnack Aug 24 01:33:38 DocScrutinizer05: thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 24 03:00:04 2012