**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 29 02:59:58 2012 Aug 29 06:06:18 DocScrutinizer05: no joy with BCI driver, too many missing pieces. I might want to write/backport a driver for backup battery only, but I'd rather wait you to play a bit with i2ctools first :) Aug 29 07:02:25 How do you do audio recording on maemo from cli? Aug 29 07:23:21 hello world Aug 29 07:24:19 works Aug 29 07:32:14 LaoLang_cool: basically with arecord or the PA similar prog (forgot the name) - the big hurting problem though are PA policies, since those conflict with stuff like amixer, to set up recording source path. Maybe Pali can help. Also javispedro might know details how this crap works Aug 29 07:34:02 LaoLang_cool: reading source of "recall" might also reveal some details how that app does special path setup Aug 29 07:34:31 DocScrutinizer05, thank you for advice, I know how to use ffmpeg to take n900's screen recording, maybe it can do similar work too, I will be learning for that Aug 29 08:05:35 nandtester here-good morning...whatever cal-tool option I enter,I get a CAL ERROR: invalid header magic at addr...at least for all the get options-didn't check the set option,cause don't know what I could set here Aug 29 08:15:06 told you CAL is structured... not yours though anymore Aug 29 08:15:57 haha Aug 29 08:16:00 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Aug 29 08:17:02 sambo7: didn't you say you had another n900? Aug 29 08:17:36 use that Aug 29 08:19:48 hm, how does CAL handle bad blocks? Aug 29 08:20:30 i don't think it does Aug 29 08:20:39 but cal is CoW Aug 29 08:21:17 ~wtf CoW Aug 29 08:21:18 Gee... I don't know what CoW means... Aug 29 08:21:26 hm Aug 29 08:22:47 still waiting for the second N900 Aug 29 08:23:44 i just discovered that my n900 is a british one Aug 29 08:23:54 and the wlan region is fcc/us Aug 29 08:23:55 weird Aug 29 08:24:03 the wifi region is definetely set to EU though Aug 29 08:24:30 eheh, wifi vs wlan region? Aug 29 08:25:15 idk Aug 29 08:25:29 but i flashed Global on it Aug 29 08:25:37 sambo7: does your fmtxd work? Aug 29 08:25:53 can I copy a working CAL to my device?with nandwrite or cal-tool? Aug 29 08:26:08 nandwrite Aug 29 08:27:46 nanddump/nandwrite Aug 29 08:29:37 jacekowski-what is fmtxd? Aug 29 08:29:56 fm transmitter daemon Aug 29 08:30:02 just check if your fm transmitter works Aug 29 08:30:35 how can I check that? Aug 29 08:30:47 iirc it's in settings Aug 29 08:30:53 check if you can enable it Aug 29 08:34:57 can#T find anything like that in setting--what about the fmtxd command in cli? Aug 29 08:35:08 fmtxd-client i believe Aug 29 08:37:56 I get : ERREOR: unable to set FmTx state...maybe because no freq configured Aug 29 08:38:22 i bet the modified fmtxd would work :D Aug 29 08:39:27 maybe can post his current settings...I get my settings when I try to dis/enable it-but it's all 0 Aug 29 08:43:53 my settings right now are: version=1 frequency=0 freq_min=0 freq_max=0 freq_steps=100 state=n/a rds_ps=Nokia rds_text= Aug 29 08:44:15 maybe I can enable it with proper freq settings Aug 29 10:37:00 hey nandtester, you actually could wget the CAL image from maemo.cloud-7.de and dd it to /dev/mtd1. couldn't make things any worse Aug 29 10:40:46 DocScrutinizer51: you're lying, it totally could :D Aug 29 10:40:59 also no, you're not supposed to dd with mtds Aug 29 10:47:09 could try that later at home...right now, can't do it...so better keep away from dd'ing mtds? Aug 29 10:47:28 you're supposed to use nandwrite Aug 29 10:47:37 there's mtdblk*, but that's sillier Aug 29 10:47:47 i don't think dd works with raw mtd devices Aug 29 10:48:04 nadwrite might do the trick Aug 29 10:49:22 usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] ... writes to the specific MTD device...it says Aug 29 10:49:30 yeah, nandwrite is the one to use Aug 29 10:51:47 DocScrutinizer51: what's n9_goes_spooky.mp4? Aug 29 10:53:19 I guess I don't have any other choice that checking that out Aug 29 10:53:47 sambo7: hey, at least you've got *something* working now Aug 29 10:53:56 sambo7: btw, is it out of warranty? Aug 29 10:54:20 maybe somebody who does have a hw rev 2101 could sned me a copy of his mtd1/CAL image Aug 29 10:54:30 sambo7: which region is your n900? Aug 29 10:55:20 EU/Britain Aug 29 11:06:17 it's out of warranty Aug 29 11:31:02 hw rev 2204 here, I'm afraid. Aug 29 11:31:45 sambo7: there's http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dd_if=mtd1ro.bin (seems they are identical :-D ) Both hw2101 iirc Aug 29 11:32:24 kerio: what the name says - a video when N9 acts on phantom input Aug 29 11:32:41 probably touchscreen gone mad Aug 29 11:32:44 oic Aug 29 11:46:50 DocScrutinzrWrk: did you see my comment re BCI? Aug 29 11:49:30 BEFORE you close a web page make sure you scroll up to the top, so it’s in the right position for the next person. Aug 29 11:58:13 freemangordon: you hoping for me using i2ctools? yep, seen that Aug 29 11:58:40 alas accessing twl4030 isn't exactly trivial Aug 29 11:59:29 some registers are are locked Aug 29 12:03:46 yeah but the bupbat-related stuff has to be unlocked Aug 29 12:03:51 the charging has to be software-controlled Aug 29 12:25:19 kerio: what makes you think bupbat charging should be done under sw control? Aug 29 12:25:46 isn't that the whole problem? Aug 29 12:26:32 nope, not even verified there's any problem at all Aug 29 12:26:44 in soft/firmware Aug 29 13:29:18 DocScrutinizer51: backup battery charging should be enabled in SW Aug 29 13:30:15 i thought that backup battery problem is that the battery is not of the best quality Aug 29 13:30:28 I was hoping if you can verify whether it is enabled or not (by using i2ctools). Kernel for sure does not enable it, as the driver is disabled Aug 29 13:30:33 and well, to be honest i've never seen a phone that would really need that battery to last more than few minutes Aug 29 13:30:58 jacekowski: yeah, but it lasts 3-4 seconds at best :D Aug 29 13:31:24 well, that would indicate that it's being charged Aug 29 13:31:53 jacekowski: not necessary, there are capacitors all over the place Aug 29 13:32:06 yeah, but rtc is supplied from that battery only Aug 29 13:32:12 and it has to see voltage on it to operate Aug 29 13:33:16 no, RTC is supplied from primary or backup depending on voltage, when main battery voltage drops under 3.2 V then backup battery is used Aug 29 13:33:35 or was it 2.8 Aug 29 13:35:31 anyway, I suspect noone enable backup battery charging, if DocScrutinizer51 says it is hard to use i2ctools, I will write a simple driver to read status/charging/voltage regs Aug 29 13:42:07 The VRRTC line is Aug 29 13:42:08 supplied by the VRRTC LDO when VBAT > 2.7 V, and by the VBRTC circuit when in backup mode ( Aug 29 13:42:45 but thing is, that's 3.3V battery Aug 29 13:43:39 i don't think there are 3.3V rechargeable batteries Aug 29 13:44:13 so it may be a primary cell Aug 29 13:44:24 that's why it's not charging Aug 29 13:46:05 anybody with hw rev 2101/Region Brtitain who can share his CAL/mtd1 with me so that I can check out nandwriting to my device... Aug 29 13:46:50 hmmm Aug 29 13:47:54 not me Aug 29 13:49:05 freemangordon: it's only hard to figure which values to write to which registers Aug 29 13:51:38 jacekowski: nope, this is a special backup LiIon rechargable cell Aug 29 13:51:57 with rather weird voltage Aug 29 13:57:20 DocScrutinizer51: I only need to know it backup charging bit is set (i.e. if charging is enabled), to confirm/not bad batteries hypothesis Aug 29 13:57:37 but maybe it will be easier for me to write the driver Aug 29 13:57:49 i'll try to do it when I'm back home Aug 29 13:59:05 it should be most easy to search fir register/bit name in mxr Aug 29 13:59:14 for* Aug 29 13:59:14 mxr? Aug 29 13:59:53 DocScrutinizer51: I can reuse the code from existing BCI driver, striping the part for charger/main battery/usb Aug 29 14:00:10 leaving only support for backup battery Aug 29 14:00:12 :shrug? Aug 29 14:00:16 : Aug 29 14:00:35 ~mxr Aug 29 14:00:45 mxr.maemo.org Aug 29 14:01:30 funny I teach you about kernel source ;-) Aug 29 14:01:56 DocScrutinizer51: I am unable to parse :) Aug 29 14:03:00 aah, ok, I think I got it Aug 29 14:03:49 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ Aug 29 14:04:41 yeah, yeah. the problem is that BCI driver is platform, not standalone driver, so I think it will be hard to find the exact needed values Aug 29 14:04:51 kerio: http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/08/29/0349226/large-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-collapses-with-a-loss-of-56-million MWHUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Aug 29 14:05:38 DocScrutinizer51: lemme start my SDK, it will be much easier for me Aug 29 14:05:40 teotwaki: it's only on slashdot because that dude used bitcoins instead of dollars Aug 29 14:06:23 kerio: dude, is your nickname on slashdot "slim"? Aug 29 14:07:26 no Aug 29 14:07:48 oh, the post with score:4 informative Aug 29 14:07:49 haha Aug 29 14:08:30 freemangordon: what's the name of the register you're interetsed in? Aug 29 14:09:48 DocScrutinzrWrk: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/power/twl4030_bci_battery.c#599 Aug 29 14:10:31 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/power/twl4030_bci_battery.c#693 Aug 29 14:10:47 one of these should do the job Aug 29 14:12:23 meh, that's not what I asked Aug 29 14:13:44 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/power/twl4030_bci_battery.c#81 Aug 29 14:13:47 better? Aug 29 14:16:53 DocScrutinzrWrk: leave that, I will write a driver, it should be a piece of cake to reuse that code Aug 29 14:21:12 yeah, reuse the bugs in it Aug 29 14:23:17 bugs? Aug 29 14:23:32 I will read/write 2 registers, what bugs Aug 29 14:25:17 nah, it's just obfuscated, but it seems 0x10 should be safe Aug 29 14:25:53 enabled, 2.5V, 25uA Aug 29 14:26:29 insane to pack all that into one #define named BBCGEN Aug 29 14:26:50 BBCHEN actually Aug 29 14:27:20 did you read that from the chip, you are just parsing the define? Aug 29 14:27:35 parse #define Aug 29 14:27:37 mxr Aug 29 14:27:41 aah, ok Aug 29 14:28:09 well, i am going home, will try to have something working in 1-2 hours, bbl Aug 29 14:28:16 reading from chip might be straight forward, once you know bus and real addr Aug 29 14:28:32 yeah, that is why I want to reuse the code Aug 29 14:28:50 as it uses twl4030-code Aug 29 14:28:55 s/code/core Aug 29 14:28:57 meh Aug 29 14:29:17 bb Aug 29 14:37:53 the real problem is i2cbus/chip-addr occupied by twl4030 driver Aug 29 14:38:05 so no dice with i2cget Aug 29 14:38:55 probably should use fsckdup pk47 without that locking Aug 29 14:39:31 or was it pk48? Aug 29 14:53:08 uBoot anybody? Aug 29 14:53:51 nm, aiui *our* uBoot has no console? Aug 29 14:53:51 DocScrutinzrWrk: gimme some time, I will do it in proper way Aug 29 14:56:10 freemangordon: prober way: get a sysnode for twl4030".ko", to send chipaddr[0x48..0x4b?]:register tuples in plain text, and read value. Or send chipaddr[0x48..0x4b?]:register = , to write to register Aug 29 14:56:20 proper* Aug 29 14:56:52 hehe Aug 29 14:56:54 * DocScrutinzrWrk idly wonders if such sysnode already exists Aug 29 14:57:13 I think pali mentioned something about that, lemme check Aug 29 14:57:29 appreciated, no ssh here at work Aug 29 14:57:34 :-/ Aug 29 14:57:42 or was it for bq charger? Aug 29 14:57:54 (pita to do real work on N900 on device shell Aug 29 14:57:56 ) Aug 29 14:58:08 bq yes Aug 29 14:58:16 I suggested it, he did it Aug 29 14:58:30 yeah, no joy for twl Aug 29 14:58:45 anyway, I am starting to tweak existing BCI driver Aug 29 14:59:01 well, if you wanna do something of persistent value, then get same ting for twl Aug 29 14:59:23 not now :) Aug 29 14:59:55 btw if it turns out that backup battery is not charged, there will be value in what I will do Aug 29 15:00:20 sure Aug 29 15:00:52 but the right way is to first check value already there (read reg), then *test* writing reg to enable Aug 29 15:01:10 ORLY? :P Aug 29 15:01:32 the firs thing to do is to read that value and the voltage and to printk them ;) Aug 29 15:01:37 rather copy those few silly lines for sysfs interface, rather than hardcoding the values for that call Aug 29 15:02:25 you could as well replace printk by proper sysfs_put Aug 29 15:03:02 I will do that for sure if it turns out a backup battery drive is needed Aug 29 15:03:09 *driver Aug 29 15:03:18 anywa, lets do the job Aug 29 15:03:22 meh, it has use for all registers of twl Aug 29 15:03:55 btw WHEN do you read? Aug 29 15:04:21 in a worker thread Aug 29 15:04:28 sigh Aug 29 15:04:33 ok, the original driver does Aug 29 15:04:43 i'll remove that Aug 29 15:04:48 wouldn't you need to start that worker thread by any external event? Aug 29 15:04:50 I hate polling more than you Aug 29 15:05:33 it is started in twl4030_bci_battery_probe Aug 29 15:05:51 and is really needed in case main battery is connected to BCI Aug 29 15:05:54 I just mean with sysfs you got a proper *interactive* way to do whatever you want, whenever you want Aug 29 15:06:00 I know Aug 29 15:06:38 but I won't do that now, a few printks will do the perfect jon initially Aug 29 15:06:48 you might end up reading too early, and later on 'somebody else' in kernel sets the bit Aug 29 15:06:50 s/jon/job/ Aug 29 15:06:50 freemangordon meant: but I won't do that now, a few printks will do the perfect job initially Aug 29 15:07:07 DocScrutinzrWrk: no way, noone touches BCI Aug 29 15:07:17 that's what YOU tell Aug 29 15:07:21 hehe Aug 29 15:08:05 maybe kernel calls NOLO on every resume from 0-clock and NOLO touches BCI Aug 29 15:08:14 could be Aug 29 15:08:40 but does not makes sense to enable charging then in the driver Aug 29 15:09:09 and AIUI backup battery charger is unaffected of suspend/resume (on HW level) Aug 29 15:09:19 you need SW to do it Aug 29 15:09:56 actually read my initial post on the issue. Might happen on $forgot to get reset Aug 29 15:10:35 well, let me finish with reading first Aug 29 15:10:39 so an initial singulary readout will tell little to nuttin Aug 29 15:10:52 will see Aug 29 15:12:07 some event regardig state change of TWL FSE been mentioned to reset the BBCHEN Aug 29 15:13:29 bienvenido bugmaster andre__ Aug 29 15:14:09 heja! Aug 29 15:14:17 andre__: can you still check NB? Aug 29 15:14:24 DocScrutinizer05, nope Aug 29 15:14:28 :-/ Aug 29 15:14:49 a pity Aug 29 15:15:08 out of curiosity, what would you like to know? Aug 29 15:15:43 if there's any bug against backup battery known Aug 29 15:16:50 buzzword "realtime clock reset" Aug 29 15:17:03 oh, okay. no idea then Aug 29 15:17:24 or rather "cmos clock" Aug 29 15:17:26 I asked because I might still have bugmail backups somewhere, but if there's no corresponding ticket in bugs.maemo.org that's unlikely Aug 29 15:17:31 hey guys Aug 29 15:18:22 hmm, I dunno if there's a ticket against it inbmo Aug 29 15:18:25 i installed nitroid,and run it but it hangs at making ext3 partition step..its this the normal behaviour? Aug 29 15:22:35 first nanddumping a CAL and then restoring the CAL with nandwrite is the way to go,isn't it?...so first I need to get a CAL from somebody with hw rev 2101/region Britain...will post in the maemo-forum Aug 29 15:23:32 sambo7: not really Aug 29 15:23:39 sambo7: you can probably use any n900 Aug 29 15:23:49 sambo7: differences won't be major Aug 29 15:25:06 so could some of you send me a backup of his cal? Aug 29 15:25:50 nobody would, really Aug 29 15:25:52 CAL holds the imei Aug 29 15:26:03 i think Aug 29 15:26:04 sambo7: *#06# Aug 29 15:26:06 mac addresses too Aug 29 15:26:08 sambo7: you said that phone works, right? Aug 29 15:26:10 sambo7: does it show your imei Aug 29 15:26:11 try what jacekowski said Aug 29 15:26:24 it looks like it's just a copy of imei Aug 29 15:26:26 my imei works Aug 29 15:26:36 neat Aug 29 15:26:59 i wonder if it's possible to *take* that part of CAL from rapuyama Aug 29 15:27:18 but I can't install various packages because they seem to check hw-rev which doesn't exist on my device Aug 29 15:27:33 sambo7: grab DocScrutinizer's CAL Aug 29 15:28:14 it's kinda weird Aug 29 15:28:21 because you have stuff in cal that stuff relies on Aug 29 15:28:28 yet everything is in other places of the phone Aug 29 15:28:34 where it's stored in much safer way Aug 29 15:28:50 so... "fukken nokia", as usual? Aug 29 15:28:50 i'm just wondering if "reformating" cal would make something rewrite it all Aug 29 15:29:06 sambo7: what does osso-product-info say? Aug 29 15:29:14 because cal is all messed up, so anything using libcal will fail Aug 29 15:29:28 but if you were to just create basic valid cal structures Aug 29 15:29:55 jacekowski: where are wlan and bt mac addresses stored? Aug 29 15:30:04 apart from CAL and the box the n900 came in? Aug 29 15:30:05 for example if I connect remotely via ssh it works but I get a CAL error Aug 29 15:30:24 kerio: it looks like in wlan module Aug 29 15:30:28 sambo7: I get slightly tired of you ignoring my dozens of pomnters to my cal image on mameo.cloud-7.de Aug 29 15:30:30 sambo7: you have wlan mac? Aug 29 15:30:32 haha Aug 29 15:30:50 sambo7: type "ifconfig" and check if wlan0's hwaddr matches the one on your box Aug 29 15:31:07 kerio: iirc he said it does Aug 29 15:31:14 then wtf Aug 29 15:31:19 WHY DOES CAL EXIST Aug 29 15:31:21 @DocScrutinzrWrk> sorry for that- will check that one out Aug 29 15:31:41 kerio: i've had a look at this shit, some time ago, and it kinda looked like there are two types of cal Aug 29 15:31:45 sambo7: btw, you can just type the first letters of the nick and then press tab :) Aug 29 15:31:48 kerio: the one he mtdtested Aug 29 15:31:56 kerio: and something else accessed by nolo Aug 29 15:32:18 kerio: because it was looking for stuff that i've never seen in normal cal Aug 29 15:32:43 but now i don't have n900 so it's kinda hard to test stuff Aug 29 15:33:40 osso-product-info gives me a lot of errors...just hardware,name & full name is shown Aug 29 15:35:05 don't have a box for the N900...got it on ebay Aug 29 15:35:15 D: Aug 29 15:35:23 hm, how can you recover your bt mac address then? Aug 29 15:36:05 Imei & wifi-mac is ok & also shown in product info Aug 29 15:36:30 how can I try to recover bt mac? Aug 29 15:36:36 use random one Aug 29 15:36:41 nobody gives a fuck about those Aug 29 15:37:01 freemangordon: BBISEL=0b00 = 25uA is insanely low. Better should be 01, 10, or even 11 Aug 29 15:37:05 haha Aug 29 15:37:24 sambo7: technically it should be in every paired device Aug 29 15:37:37 but yeah, nobody gives a shit about bt mac addresses Aug 29 15:39:38 DocScrutinzrWrk: well, it only has to make it hold charge Aug 29 15:39:44 what is the vendor part of the bt mac for the N900?at least this should match,shouldn't it? Aug 29 15:39:58 sambo7: nah, nobody cares about that :) Aug 29 15:39:59 sambo7: bt and wlan are on same module i believe Aug 29 15:40:04 or it was bt and fmtx Aug 29 15:40:14 bt and fmrx Aug 29 15:40:24 bt and wlan use the same antenna Aug 29 15:42:39 when I'm back home from sports, I will try to import Doc's CAL... Aug 29 15:43:53 jacekowski: nope Aug 29 15:44:04 it has to *charge* it Aug 29 15:46:42 and actually 25uA might be too little to even keep charge Aug 29 15:47:16 so probably that's already the bug, if there's any Aug 29 15:53:23 I'd guess NOLO sets BBCFG register. That would explain why kernel doesn't touch it Aug 29 16:08:14 DocScrutinizer51: yep, seems so, BBCFG == 0x1c and VBBAT ~= 3126 mV. Aug 29 16:11:35 freemangordon: 0x1c is BAD(TM) Aug 29 16:12:06 sorry, it is 1b Aug 29 16:12:11 my bad Aug 29 16:12:40 aaah Aug 29 16:14:17 so 1011, BBISEL=11=1mA Aug 29 16:16:32 no real problem with all that then :-) Aug 29 16:19:19 DocScrutinzrWrk: :nod: Aug 29 16:24:51 LOL WTF?! http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/power/twl4030_bci_battery.c#883 Aug 29 16:28:22 DocScrutinzrWrk: i don't get it Aug 29 16:28:23 :s Aug 29 16:30:14 kerio: realy *clever* calculation of battery capacity "percentage" from voltage ranges Aug 29 16:30:22 hahaha Aug 29 16:30:27 those thresholds look very bme-ish :) Aug 29 16:30:28 tdwtf-worthy? Aug 29 16:30:40 kinda Aug 29 16:30:57 luckily it's not used (bme probably does worse though) Aug 29 16:31:06 as in using 4 significant digits for voltage when doing some rough approximations Aug 29 16:31:35 and those funny steps in percentage ;-P Aug 29 16:31:37 oh wow Aug 29 16:31:59 2, 20, 50, 75, 90 Aug 29 16:32:06 err 5 Aug 29 16:33:12 it's a reasonable strategy when there's no fuel gauging available Aug 29 16:35:23 actually makes me puke: else if ((di->voltage_uV < 3451 && di->voltage_uV > 2894) ------ better like that: else if ((2894 < di->voltage_uV && di->voltage_uV < 3451) Aug 29 16:36:11 that's why python is awesome :D Aug 29 16:36:32 what that got to do with python? Aug 29 16:36:33 elif 2894 < di.voltage_uV < 3451: Aug 29 16:36:38 aaah Aug 29 16:36:40 yep Aug 29 16:44:21 who's been worrying about complexity and coefficients for thermistor normalization? look --> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-3430sdp.c#311 Aug 29 16:44:52 no 5th order polynomial Aug 29 16:55:25 freemangordon: ^^^^ Aug 29 16:56:09 so... why isn't that driver in the actual kernel? Aug 29 16:56:38 because we don't need to touch that stuff from kernel, NOLO deals with it Aug 29 16:56:46 i see Aug 29 16:57:09 arguable rationale, but MEH Aug 29 17:05:00 resp BME Aug 29 17:08:21 actually NOLO deals with bupbat charging, BME with amin bat management. It seems Nokia has a panic regarding community touching *anything* battery related Aug 29 17:08:40 mooo GeneralAntilles Aug 29 17:08:50 Hey-oh Aug 29 17:09:54 never again tell me work is useless! we checked bupbat situation today, since I'm bored to death on my last 16h at this job Aug 29 17:10:23 ;-D Aug 29 17:13:55 hey, I could try to find a 500uF tantalum capacitor here :-D Aug 29 17:14:50 ...or better not. Feels strange to lift things when you leave... Aug 29 17:20:30 DocScrutinzrWrk: to be fair, batteries are srs bsns Aug 29 17:23:52 DocScrutinzrWrk: is it the same sensor? Aug 29 17:24:00 the thermistor that is ;) Aug 29 17:24:11 * ShadowJK is more srs than bme Aug 29 17:25:07 no one is more srs than bme Aug 29 17:25:28 http://wiki.bme.com/ <- incredibly srs Aug 29 17:32:07 freemangordon: same type anyway Aug 29 17:32:43 there are only 2 possible thermistors: the BSI one which actually isn't a thermistor usually, and the real battery temp sensor Aug 29 17:36:18 bupbat Aug 29 17:36:25 ~bupbat Aug 29 17:36:25 rumour has it, bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months Aug 29 17:40:32 MMPFFFFFFF! 3kF capacitor Aug 29 17:41:21 http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/451449/Samwha-Green-Cap-Kondensatoren-DE0E308M64120SB-25-VDC-3000-F-Rastermass-286-mm/0245960&ref=list Aug 29 17:42:58 5kF dafaq Aug 29 17:43:18 only 600EUR Aug 29 17:44:41 o/ Aug 29 18:20:10 not entirely insane for a 10000Ws 'battery' with infinite cycle endurance Aug 29 18:20:21 a what Aug 29 18:20:29 also, it's not really infinite, is it Aug 29 18:22:18 well it for sure dances on grave of 20 or more BL-5J Aug 29 18:22:24 a lot more Aug 29 18:22:51 from that POV it's cheap Aug 29 18:27:51 5000As/V * (2.5V - 1.5V) * ((2.5V + 1.5V)/2) =10000Ws =~2.5Wh Aug 29 18:31:20 hm Aug 29 18:31:54 how many BL-5Js would that be? Aug 29 18:32:04 around one Aug 29 18:32:31 more liek 0.5 Aug 29 18:33:00 allegedly has 4.9Wh (says print) Aug 29 18:33:36 but this capacitor charges in minutes, not hours Aug 29 18:33:42 ;-D Aug 29 18:33:52 onboard battery swap? Aug 29 18:34:01 DocScrutinizer05: not with the usb wallcharger Aug 29 18:34:12 kerio: rrrrrright Aug 29 18:34:15 ;-P Aug 29 18:34:34 vi__: that's where I came from Aug 29 18:34:57 looked for a supercap with 5mm diameter Aug 29 18:35:14 DocScrutinizer05: no... that would be your mother! (cit.) Aug 29 18:35:37 o.O Aug 29 18:35:45 you can get a 5.5v 1F from ebay. Aug 29 18:35:51 (re: "that's where i came from") Aug 29 18:35:53 really small. Aug 29 18:36:11 5mm? Aug 29 18:36:33 dunno. Aug 29 18:36:36 2mm high Aug 29 18:36:40 5mm is quite small. Aug 29 18:38:05 http://www.yuden.co.jp/ut/product/category/energydevice/PAS414HR-VA5R.pdf Aug 29 18:41:01 why is it I feel bad about hitting a squirrel with my car but not so much when an unemployed welfare scrounger gets hit by a bus? Aug 29 18:41:28 because it's not been you who hit it Aug 29 18:41:33 him Aug 29 18:41:49 because you've been brainwashed by your media into thinking that "welfare scroungers" are evil? Aug 29 18:42:02 they are. Aug 29 18:42:19 I pay a fuckton of tax so they can do nothing. Aug 29 18:42:21 nah, *I* am evil! Aug 29 18:45:46 yeah, they aren't allowed to work - not to mention some good job that's maybe even fun - and they can do nothing about it Aug 29 18:46:31 and it's been so long they even forgot how to do some fun work, even if they could find some now Aug 29 18:48:46 I'm so evil I do things for free, like e.g moderating this IRC chan - sth somebody should pay for definitely Aug 29 18:52:51 or maybe you would like to pay me for stopping this moderation task? ;-P Aug 29 18:53:36