**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 04 02:59:58 2012 Sep 04 07:37:34 DocScrutinizer05: regarding theloss of phone functions: I have tried running 'pnatd' during such a loss and it does not output anything anymore - when ok, it was able to respond to AT or AT+CFUN?. So - does it mean it's a rapuyama problem? Sep 04 07:38:36 yours died like mine huh? Sep 04 07:38:45 i had the same problem with my n900 Sep 04 07:38:54 although i don't use it as a phone on the cell network anymore.. but it did the same Sep 04 07:38:58 * Macer sheds a tear Sep 04 07:39:28 at least it works Sep 04 07:41:09 i suppose Sep 04 07:41:19 but to use it outside wifi range i have to tether it to my lumia 900 heh Sep 04 07:41:22 that's just redundant Sep 04 07:41:38 i look like a guy with a mistress phone Sep 04 07:41:49 Macer, that's why it died Sep 04 07:41:49 or a dope dealer Sep 04 07:41:55 ? Sep 04 07:41:58 it got AIDS from Lumia hooker Sep 04 07:42:10 it started pre lumia ;) Sep 04 07:42:19 pre lumia? Sep 04 07:42:21 so it really got aids from nokia :-P Sep 04 07:42:35 i got confused Sep 04 07:42:38 my other one did too Sep 04 07:42:44 the penis fell off :-P Sep 04 07:42:49 :( Sep 04 07:43:19 n900 is not known for its build quality as far as its modem dying and the usb ports falling off Sep 04 07:43:28 lumia 900 is just an n9 with wp on it isn't it? Sep 04 07:44:09 i was being scolded here because i said the lumia isn't that bad at all :) Sep 04 07:44:11 * Macer hides Sep 04 07:45:31 it's bad, cos wp isn't not open source.. Sep 04 07:45:32 -not Sep 04 07:45:38 no its not Sep 04 07:45:45 it uses another Soc and so on Sep 04 07:46:02 nokia is loosing money over it in stead of gaining if they would have sold the n9 Sep 04 07:46:27 are they? Sep 04 07:46:40 well.. i guess that's true considering att pretty much paid me to buy it Sep 04 07:46:50 they gave me $200 for a $99 phone Sep 04 07:47:02 i guess they make it up with their overpriced service but still :) Sep 04 07:48:35 but honestly... wp7 is not bad at all Sep 04 07:49:14 and i'm willing to bet the sdk for it and win8 is probably light years ahead of the garbage that was released for maemo Sep 04 07:49:32 albiet the OS is closed but at least the dev tools are all there and updated Sep 04 07:50:48 did you see new lumia preview? they make microsd as feature now :P Sep 04 07:52:29 meh. apple has done without an sd forever and they're doing fine Sep 04 07:52:41 they just charge you $100 for an extra 8G and 16G :) Sep 04 07:52:43 genius Sep 04 07:53:17 either way... if the new lumia has win8 i might get it... although i'd love to have a win8 phone with a qwerty Sep 04 07:53:24 if nokia makes one with a qwerty i'm sold :) Sep 04 07:53:47 the ms win8 tablet also looks amazing .. i think it's the mini ultra thin smart cover keyboard Sep 04 07:53:52 and kickstand Sep 04 07:56:20 Macer, yeah keyboard for what? kbd is nie for terminal and editors, not for sms :P for sms virual keyboard is just fine Sep 04 07:57:27 i'd still rather have a qwerty for sms ;) Sep 04 07:57:36 the vkb takes up too much screen real estate Sep 04 07:57:49 it's all about UI Sep 04 07:57:54 using ssh with the vkb is a pain as well Sep 04 07:58:10 ZogG_laptop: i dunno about that. you need the vkb to be at least a decent size for fingers Sep 04 07:58:19 and a phone screen is usually small enough as it is Sep 04 07:58:24 and i saw how people use swype... as well i liked bb10 predictable keyboard :P Sep 04 07:59:04 Macer, it's okay for me, i use n9 as phone on daily bases and it's good enuf for twitter/sms/wazapp :P Sep 04 08:01:03 lol. so is the lumia 900 Sep 04 08:01:09 the vkb orks ok for those things i suppose Sep 04 08:01:16 but the qwerty would be great for ssh Sep 04 08:01:37 also. i'm hoping win8 on mobile devices doesn't do the same windows mobile murdering of background apps Sep 04 08:01:44 which made its way to wp7 Sep 04 08:01:54 it runs like an iphone where nothing is allowed to keep running in the background Sep 04 08:01:59 probably the one major advantage the n9 has Sep 04 08:03:04 Macer, do you have bsod screen ? Sep 04 08:03:45 Macer: have your modem died at once and for all? My phone works after a reboot, but all of a sudden (usually while I carry in my pocket) it started to disconnect the SIM and report "communication problem" Sep 04 08:05:44 Macer: I would like if I (user) could configure which apps get hibernated when minimized and which do not. THAT would be the best, IMO Sep 04 08:07:51 edheldil: yes Sep 04 08:07:53 same problem Sep 04 08:08:22 edheldil: i honestly don't have an n9 and have never used a meego device so i couldn't say Sep 04 08:08:37 i just know that the n9 works similar to maemo in how it manages background vs battery life Sep 04 08:08:45 plus meego has xterm :) Sep 04 08:08:48 win Sep 04 08:09:32 same = works after a reboot for a while? Sep 04 08:11:03 not too long Sep 04 08:11:09 usually stops once the modem starts being accessed Sep 04 08:11:40 it isn't a pin problem. i kindly bent them upwards. the piece of paper wedged behind the battery worked for a bit Sep 04 08:11:46 but then it finally gave out altogether Sep 04 08:12:00 known problem tho. just like the flimsy usb ports Sep 04 08:12:56 where does hdrcapture store its pictures? Sep 04 08:12:59 sigh ... Sep 04 08:13:12 fuck, I hope I didn't lose that shot Sep 04 08:13:29 Maybe I'm just not hardcore enough anymore to deal with an 'opensource' phone everyday Sep 04 08:13:33 Macer: which hw rev is this? Sep 04 08:13:48 hm. not sure. i don't have it on me now Sep 04 08:15:23 it was a made in finland version tho if that helps Sep 04 08:16:01 don't they all say that? Sep 04 08:16:03 it really doesn't Sep 04 08:16:14 derpmode: no. most are made in korea Sep 04 08:16:38 "Designed in finland"? Sep 04 08:16:41 kerio: well i'll be home in about 3 or so hours. i'll let you know if it's around Sep 04 08:16:44 DocScrutinizer05: you can have my unconditional love to help you may for maemo.cloud-7.de! Sep 04 08:16:47 derpmode: no. made in ;) Sep 04 08:16:49 I have 3 that says "designed in finland" Sep 04 08:16:49 on the inside sticker Sep 04 08:16:54 s/may/pay/ Sep 04 08:16:55 kerio meant: DocScrutinizer05: you can have my unconditional love to help you pay for maemo.cloud-7.de! Sep 04 08:17:03 they all say "designed in" Sep 04 08:17:25 so any ideas where hdrcapture stores its pictures? Sep 04 08:17:37 derpmode: rtfm Sep 04 08:17:39 cloud-7.de ? Sep 04 08:17:40 >:D Sep 04 08:17:52 which manual? Sep 04 08:18:06 hdrcapture's Sep 04 08:19:11 looking for it.. Sep 04 08:20:36 http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1631&faq=36 kerio any idea where to find it? Sep 04 08:21:50 isn't there like a setting to set where it stores? Sep 04 08:22:05 nope Sep 04 08:22:12 it's shit software like most n900 apps Sep 04 08:22:20 I just want to find the location of my beloved photo Sep 04 08:24:15 somewhere in MyDocs probably Sep 04 08:24:21 looked Sep 04 08:24:37 hdrcapture is basically a less flexible fcam with hdr Sep 04 08:24:49 i didn't know about fcam at the time Sep 04 08:25:12 same dudes Sep 04 08:25:33 hdrcapture and lowlight are specialized versions of fcamera that do weirder shit Sep 04 08:27:07 derpmode: might be also your expansion card Sep 04 08:27:45 edheldil: looked. Any idea how to find it? Sep 04 08:27:49 I hope it isn't somewhere in / Sep 04 08:28:48 or even worse, didn't get stored Sep 04 08:32:38 no, I do not use it, but I vaguely remember finding lowlight's pics on the extension card (though ... half of my pictures is there as well, without apparent rhyme or reason). Sep 04 08:32:58 Do not forget to switch on 'view hidden files' Sep 04 08:34:08 yeaha, what a mess. hidded files is on Sep 04 08:34:34 I use this source on Fremantle http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Complete_example Sep 04 08:34:50 and it exits in one or two seconds Sep 04 08:35:09 it holds a second during g_main_loop_run(loop); Sep 04 08:35:27 and then does g_object_unref and exits Sep 04 08:35:39 may it be that I have some strange settings on a device? Sep 04 08:35:54 however gpsrecorder and fourcircle work well Sep 04 08:36:15 it tries to turn GPS on Sep 04 08:36:26 the satellite appears and starts to blink Sep 04 08:36:46 and then disappears, and the program exits Sep 04 08:52:05 derpmode: huh... DCIM/HDR* Sep 04 08:55:36 not sure about lowlight, but hdrcapture saves there Sep 04 08:58:14 http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/02/heres-samsung-flew-bloggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/ Sep 04 08:58:28 nokia saves tge day Sep 04 08:58:37 the* Sep 04 09:10:11 kerio: fuck, folder doesn't exist. I guess that means those pictures didn't get saved! Sep 04 09:11:26 ...what? Sep 04 09:11:28 DCIM exists Sep 04 09:11:35 it's called "camera" or something, in the file browser Sep 04 09:11:49 hell, you could just open the app Sep 04 09:12:18 open up the app and...? Sep 04 09:12:26 DCIM exists, subfolder HDR doesn't Sep 04 09:12:32 i mean, the photo app Sep 04 09:12:38 and no, the photos are called HDRsomething Sep 04 09:20:45 don't see em' Sep 04 09:23:03 yep, definitely not in there kerio Sep 04 09:23:11 \_o_/ Sep 04 09:23:13 I guess this is what I get for not having an iPhone like everyone else Sep 04 09:43:39 whose around? Sep 04 09:44:30 * rZr _o/ Sep 04 09:44:48 rZr: if you got a fresh n900 how would you set it up? Sep 04 09:44:56 1) reflash Sep 04 09:44:57 then...? Sep 04 09:47:13 then install stuff ? Sep 04 09:47:28 no repartition or anything? Sep 04 09:47:40 no custom stuff I wanna do first? Sep 04 09:55:20 anybody knows the answer to the liblocation question above? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 04 10:09:37 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 04 10:12:19 2012 Sep 04 11:00:50 derpmode: Sep 04 11:00:52 see Sep 04 11:00:55 ~jrtools Sep 04 11:00:55 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 04 11:01:23 might have some minor (advanced) suggestions regarding setup. Sep 04 11:02:08 obvious suggestions are: get backupmenu, consider immediate switching to cssu-stable Sep 04 11:02:35 think I have that Sep 04 11:03:00 ~bm Sep 04 11:03:01 i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Sep 04 11:03:01 any idea how ot find the pictures HDR Capture supposedly saved? Sep 04 11:03:08 derpmode: some people repartition the emmc to have more space for home/opt and less for mydocs Sep 04 11:03:09 ~cssu Sep 04 11:03:09 from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Sep 04 11:03:28 sorry, never used HDR Sep 04 11:04:54 shouldn't there be some selector to pick location where to store pictures? at least toggle between uSD and MyDocs? like in any decent photo app Sep 04 11:04:59 I guess it didn't store my photos! Sep 04 11:05:10 There isn't one. I checked all the obvious locations manually Sep 04 11:05:24 DocScrutinizer05: hdrcapture is just a tiny proof-of-concept to showcase the fcam API Sep 04 11:05:34 mhm Sep 04 11:05:37 it does make some cute pictures, though Sep 04 11:05:51 derpmode: did you wait for the processing? Sep 04 11:06:03 so no clue about FQN to any such picture? Sep 04 11:06:19 DCIM/HDRsomething Sep 04 11:06:23 .jpg Sep 04 11:06:39 that's no *Full* Qualified Name Sep 04 11:07:30 kerio: yeah, and then I pushed back. And in the Help it says pushing back "saves" them Sep 04 11:07:35 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/HDR_*.jpg Sep 04 11:07:38 something like /home/user/MyDocs/.images/HDR_2012_09_02_1428.foo is Sep 04 11:07:50 yeah :-) Sep 04 11:07:52 no, it uses DCIM Sep 04 11:07:55 i just checked Sep 04 11:07:56 I will check one last time! Sep 04 11:08:04 but really, I don't see them in there Sep 04 11:08:10 lowlight uses .images Sep 04 11:09:46 derpmode: oooh, and by all means get cpu load applet, to have an idea when something's going on on your device Sep 04 11:12:18 oh, and lowlight appears to use an ungodly amount of ram Sep 04 11:12:24 like, 87mb Sep 04 11:12:28 so don't use it Sep 04 11:22:19 well it would use lots Sep 04 11:23:47 to process *one* image? Sep 04 11:23:49 oh hell no Sep 04 11:24:02 since it takes two pictures and tries to build shape from one and colour from other or similar :) Sep 04 11:24:36 looks like the autobuilder is down - anyone knows whats wrong ? Sep 04 11:24:41 X-Fade: ping Sep 04 11:47:56 DocScrutinizer05: does pnatd displaying nothing on AT command mean that it's rapuyama at fault, or can it still be a bad SIM contact? Sep 04 11:48:31 no, that's clearly rapuyama or the OMAP serial hw interface being down then Sep 04 11:48:51 NB there's a way for OMAP to power down rapuyama afaik Sep 04 11:49:19 so modem being non-responsive doesn't mean is must be broken Sep 04 11:50:00 e.g. in airplane mode I might figure it wouldn't be powered (haven't checked that though) Sep 04 11:50:20 edheldil: anyway a broken sim contact shouldn't affect AT interface Sep 04 11:53:05 no, even in offline mode modem/pnatd answers AT with OK Sep 04 11:53:12 thank you. Strange that it appears when the phone is in pocket - temperature or mechanical stress related, perhaps Sep 04 11:53:26 probably Sep 04 11:54:07 oh well ... time to get a new second hand one :( Sep 04 11:54:25 checking syslog should show anything modem related when something fails (there are modem reboots known when modem locks up) Sep 04 11:55:11 there's a cmt watchdog afaik, that will try to reboot the modem when it doesn't behave. This should show up in syslog Sep 04 11:56:10 try "*#06#" in dialer! Sep 04 11:56:49 I will look the next time it happens. One or twice pnatd wrote something about endpoint, but I haven't copied down the message Sep 04 11:56:51 should show your IMEI. If it doesn't I'd say you got a serious hw problem. If it does I couldn't promise your modem is ok though Sep 04 11:57:29 dialer is that app for dialing *# codes, right? Sep 04 11:58:15 I assume you did a full reflash already, to rule out any sw related obscure problems Sep 04 11:58:36 dialer is that app where you dial numbers and call people Sep 04 11:59:01 ;-) Sep 04 11:59:58 ah :). No, not reflash YET :/ Sep 04 11:59:59 for user pnatd trows error "pipe endpoint allocation: operation not permitted" Sep 04 12:00:16 you need root for onatd Sep 04 12:00:19 pnatd even Sep 04 12:00:31 well, could have been a case of missing root privs during a previous invocation Sep 04 12:12:51 edheldil: what's your hw rev? Sep 04 12:12:59 it's written in /proc/component_version Sep 04 12:22:14 cat /proc/component_version|grep hw-build Sep 04 12:22:40 meh, now i'm doing it as well :-S Sep 04 12:23:11 grep hw-build /proc/component_version Sep 04 12:36:46 kerio: 2204 Sep 04 12:36:59 typical? Sep 04 12:38:37 < /proc/component_version grep hw-build :) Sep 04 12:39:17 idk Sep 04 12:39:30 but it's different than mine Sep 04 12:39:32 so i'm happy about that c: Sep 04 12:41:43 heh Sep 04 13:18:43 Is it possible to use Google Docs with my CSSU stable up-to-date Maemo device to synchronise documents Sep 04 13:18:57 Like how for example I am syncing my calendar and contacts list with Google Sync? Sep 04 13:24:32 No Sep 04 13:24:47 (and if you successfully sync contacts you are extremely lucky) Sep 04 13:27:18 * Sicelo about to try Nemo ;) Sep 04 13:51:01 Being able to use Exchange with Google Sync requires you to grab liburl3 from extras-devel. I am prepared to do this, but is this a clean way? And will libcurl3 properly keep updating (eventually)? Sep 04 13:51:45 fredddiiii: yep, next CSSU-testing will contain updated libcurl3 Sep 04 13:51:58 So eventually that libcurl3 will make it into stable? Sep 04 13:52:05 And the grabbed version will update? Sep 04 13:52:07 Properly? Sep 04 13:52:14 Or will dependencies break or something? Sep 04 13:52:16 I hope it will out by the end of the week Sep 04 13:52:25 don't see a reason why not Sep 04 13:52:30 Just trying to make sure. Sep 04 13:52:45 So I will not end up with out-dated, dependency broken possible security risk prone packages. Sep 04 13:52:49 Because I try to fix something. =( Sep 04 13:53:23 freemangordon, any ETA on when that updated libcurl3 might make it into stable? Sep 04 13:53:55 fredddiiii: hard to say, maybe in a month after being in -testing, that is the usual testing period Sep 04 13:54:38 I think I will grab it from extras-devel then, if there is not any possible risk of grabbing it from that repository, and disabling that repository again afterwards. Sep 04 13:57:06 fredddiiii: as long a you don't apt-get upgrade you should be safe :D Sep 04 13:57:27 Ok. Sep 04 14:00:21 i can report that i find new Nemo ok on my N900. just a tad slow, but that's likely because i have a shite Class 4 sd card Sep 04 14:25:00 Sicelo: class means jack shit Sep 04 14:25:10 what matters, for that kind of purpose, is random read/write Sep 04 14:25:14 not sequential Sep 04 14:25:51 well, everything is donkey slow, and i don't think it's Nemo Sep 04 14:27:16 oh absolutely Sep 04 14:27:23 but the class of your uSD is not the problem Sep 04 14:27:32 its non-being-a-Sandiskness could be Sep 04 14:28:43 is sandisk special? Sep 04 14:29:25 sandisk is the shit Sep 04 14:29:37 as opposed to... huh, pretty much every other manufacturer Sep 04 14:29:40 which is just shit Sep 04 14:29:57 I use that for my GPS, because it is teh $6 Sep 04 14:30:11 well, $5 something Sep 04 14:30:22 4GB Sep 04 14:30:34 I will get other brands for my phone from now on Sep 04 14:31:37 mind you Sep 04 14:32:01 a sandisk class 4 is really good for random read/writes Sep 04 14:32:50 for other uses, you probably want a different card Sep 04 14:33:53 well, my nemo has issues with dtmf tones and such :P Sep 04 14:33:58 not sure if GPS is random R/W Sep 04 14:34:51 eh, could actually be Sep 04 14:34:58 there's not much sequential data in maps, i suppose Sep 04 14:35:05 i mean, you'd have to be lucky to hit that :) Sep 04 14:35:12 but then again, it probably doesn't matter Sep 04 14:38:59 sequential writes matter *a lot* for digital cameras Sep 04 14:57:40 oooh recaller you bastard! :-( Sep 04 14:59:10 when this shitty thing tells hildon to show a notifier "recaller: recording since nn:nn:nn" every 30s, and then FORGETS TO REVOKE this instruction :-((( Sep 04 15:00:53 i stopped using recaller when i noticed that the automatic recording didn't always stop Sep 04 15:02:18 it just pretends, often Sep 04 15:02:37 actually recaller stopped recording, 16h ago Sep 04 15:02:54 meh, it's not like it was exactly legal anyway Sep 04 15:03:06 hmm? Sep 04 15:03:11 ;-P Sep 04 15:03:35 you're not recording your calls, are you? X-P Sep 04 15:03:56 oh no, it is Sep 04 15:03:56 neat Sep 04 15:04:28 when you're talking to someone on the phone, you have to accept the risk that the other one is recording the conversation Sep 04 15:04:59 it makes sense, really Sep 04 15:05:04 recaller completely freaks out when destination for audio files is not writable for any reason (full, nonexistent, whatever) Sep 04 15:06:02 however yesterday (16h ago) I recoded via microphone, manually. And I stopped recording manually Sep 04 15:06:29 and obviously since then it pesters me with this notification Sep 04 15:06:51 lol Sep 04 15:06:58 killall -9 recaller Sep 04 15:07:14 besides, it does weird shit with audio routes anyway Sep 04 15:08:49 I like having recaller running. Sometimes I'll make an appointment, record it, but miss something important (like where it's at). Being able to re-play a conversation is nice. Sep 04 15:08:52 nope, it doesn't record Sep 04 15:09:22 I found out what happened (I think) Sep 04 15:09:26 4096M 04. Sep 05:36 Rec_20120904_021320-053628.wav Sep 04 15:09:34 I forgot to stop it correctly Sep 04 15:09:39 hahaha Sep 04 15:09:40 neat Sep 04 15:09:56 eventually it hit 4GB barrier and stopped recording but failed to stop the notifier Sep 04 15:09:56 And FYI: recording conversations and it's legality is highly based on local laws. Even then, the legality is usually more a question of not if it's "legal", but if said recording can be used in legal procedings. :) Sep 04 15:10:25 indeed Sep 04 15:11:01 again, what I stated above: recaller completely freaks out when destination for audio files is not writable for any reason (full, nonexistent, whatever) Sep 04 15:11:30 it's consistently missing to reset the notifier when stopping recording due to write error on file Sep 04 15:12:14 Yeah.. I turned that off ages ago. Don't need notifications anyway. Sep 04 15:12:34 Though it can be annoying on the off times when it forgets to stop recording when you hang up. ;) Sep 04 15:14:11 0/ Sep 04 15:14:13 o/ Sep 04 15:14:27 ^is that a picture of a man waving? Sep 04 15:14:48 DocScrutinizer05: also, why are you using wav and not aac? Sep 04 15:15:18 mmpf Sep 04 15:15:25 again, what I stated above: recaller completely freaks out when destination for audio files is not writable for any reason (full, nonexistent, whatever) Sep 04 15:15:28 it's consistently missing to reset the notifier when stopping recording due to write error on file Sep 04 15:15:31 and I got NFC how to convince hildon-notification-daemon to stop that shit now Sep 04 15:15:34 Interesting cssu logs btw. Lol. 3 kicks by 2 people in under an hour? LOL. Not undeserved... But then... Sep 04 15:15:42 DocScrutinizer05: killall recaller Sep 04 15:15:48 killall recaller should do it Doc. Sep 04 15:15:56 indeed Sep 04 15:15:57 ? Sep 04 15:16:06 I don't think so Sep 04 15:16:18 there's not even a process recaller Sep 04 15:16:46 Is it all dbus-script based now? Sep 04 15:16:52 Woody14619: 3 kicks? Sep 04 15:16:56 I only remember 1 Sep 04 15:17:09 Doc booted him twice before you arrived. Sep 04 15:17:22 oh :D Sep 04 15:17:34 Woody14619: who? Sep 04 15:17:43 DocScrutinizer05: recaller is a python script. Sep 04 15:17:59 vi_: Who's the only person to merrit being booted here in the past 3 years? Sep 04 15:18:08 -_- Sep 04 15:18:36 vi_: who lives in a pineapple under the sea? Sep 04 15:19:29 vi_: That's like asking "Who's that fat man, in the red outfit, at the mall in December?" Sep 04 15:20:05 maybe I'm just too numb Sep 04 15:20:16 no python process on my device? Sep 04 15:20:38 DocScrutinizer05: ps ax | grep py Sep 04 15:20:59 -> grep py Sep 04 15:21:24 IOW nuttin Sep 04 15:21:38 I just do not understand why he behaves in such an antagonising fashion. Sep 04 15:21:43 It's a desktop plugin, so it may be hiding. Sep 04 15:21:48 IroN900:~# ps aux|grep pyth Sep 04 15:21:50 root 17339 0.0 0.3 4108 752 pts/0 S+ 17:19 0:00 grep pyth Sep 04 15:21:58 It goes against 10000 years of human evolution. Sep 04 15:21:58 DocScrutinizer05: remove it from the home screen Sep 04 15:21:58 vi_: becuse he has no other method of operation. Sep 04 15:22:18 doc: try doing a kill/reset of hildon-desktop. Sep 04 15:22:24 hildon-home you mean Sep 04 15:22:44 Woody14619: good point Sep 04 15:22:50 DocScrutinizer05: I am afraid... Sep 04 15:22:57 well, it lives in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/recaller.py Sep 04 15:23:00 you are going to have to lose your uptime... Sep 04 15:23:23 vi_: yeah Sep 04 15:23:47 it also has a sevice file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.tomch.recaller.service Sep 04 15:24:26 Though I susspect that wold be more for catching call start/stop notices. Sep 04 15:24:35 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks Sep 04 15:25:06 1494 ? S don't do it man Sep 04 15:25:18 DON'T DO IT Sep 04 15:27:36 Frankly, said kicked person has been taking to spreading lies as truth lately. (Like Council is disbanding itself and/or elevating itself to be a Board, with not community input, etc). Sep 04 15:28:27 the fsck! killall hildon-desktop; killall hildon-home ## now recaller icon vanished from my homescreen Sep 04 15:28:37 that's good! Sep 04 15:29:08 I'm not sure that's good Sep 04 15:29:11 Not the first or last time he'll repeatedly "misunderstand" things to meet his own flat-earth view of the world. Sep 04 15:29:26 Woody14619: :nod: Sep 04 15:29:35 doc: Had the same issue once with it... just re-add the widget. Sep 04 15:29:47 Woody14619: it's not flat-earth, we're beyond flat earth Sep 04 15:29:49 it's time cube Sep 04 15:29:56 I'll do something rogue first: reboot Sep 04 15:30:03 DocScrutinizer05: DON'T YOU DARE Sep 04 15:30:06 >:C Sep 04 15:30:06 I suspect it means that hildon-* noticed it was hosed and didn't re-load it this time. Sep 04 15:30:28 DocScrutinizer05: you do not kill'em in the first place! Sep 04 15:30:29 :nod: Sep 04 15:30:42 seriously though, don't reboot :( Sep 04 15:30:49 why? Sep 04 15:30:50 you can't lose your uptime! Sep 04 15:31:07 meh, this one has a pretty shitty uptime right now Sep 04 15:31:11 ah Sep 04 15:31:15 ...why didn't you reboot earlier then? Sep 04 15:31:17 uptime is for naught if it's up and not doing what you want. Sep 04 15:31:26 17:31 4 Tage 5:18 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,19, 0,42, 0,36 Sep 04 15:31:26 Woody14619: uptime is for uptime challenges Sep 04 15:32:02 uptime, for the sake of up-time is somewhat silly in my book. Sep 04 15:32:02 DocScrutinizer05: and something like hildon-desktop/xxx.py will not get a home on my device Sep 04 15:32:22 hehe Sep 04 15:32:32 Woody14619: but doc has a n900 with like 180 days of uptime! Sep 04 15:32:34 I can see your rationale Sep 04 15:32:35 I once swapped a PCI card on a live debian system just to keep my uptime. Sep 04 15:33:00 t900:~# uptime Sep 04 15:33:02 17:43:32 up 157 days, 18:39, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sep 04 15:33:14 DocScrutinizer05: do you use it? Sep 04 15:33:23 no sim Sep 04 15:33:25 or is it just sitting there, collecting dust and time? Sep 04 15:33:39 it's my reference and devel-device Sep 04 15:33:58 I see uptime as a stability thing. Before I reboot a device (non-windows) I generally look at it's uptime to see how long it was up. It mean's it's gone that long without me needing to nurse it. Sep 04 15:34:07 see debate about camera-ui in other chan Sep 04 15:34:19 which PR is it? Sep 04 15:34:35 err, 1.3? Sep 04 15:34:50 1.3.1 i hope :) Sep 04 15:34:54 Devel devices, and things with regular/needed/wanted updates are different, IMHO. ;) Sep 04 15:34:56 prolly not Sep 04 15:35:51 vi_: do that with a windows server^^ Sep 04 15:36:05 Sigh... and now I have to go read a ton of mail. Why do people work days I have off? Any why do they always seem to need me only on those days? Sep 04 15:37:42 hm, does MfE work fine with google contacts if you upgrade libcurl? Sep 04 15:38:02 mfe works for no man. Sep 04 15:38:05 wow, the recaller icon got permanently nuked off my screen Sep 04 15:38:17 DocScrutinizer05: Just re-add the widget ffs. Sep 04 15:38:25 yes, ffs Sep 04 15:38:27 It will appear in EXACTLY the same spot as before. Sep 04 15:38:45 * DocScrutinizer05 just wonders what's going on there Sep 04 15:38:49 If you kill hildon-home, sometimes all your widgets will disappear. Sep 04 15:39:05 but *why* Sep 04 15:39:07 Just add them 1 at a time, they will go to their appropriate place. Sep 04 15:39:18 DocScrutinizer05: I do not know. Sep 04 15:39:37 DocScrutinizer05: The gconf info referring to the widget screen+x+y location is still there. Sep 04 15:39:41 weird shit Sep 04 15:40:05 some self-healing facility in HD? Sep 04 15:40:08 It is like a small part of gconf/hildon config gets reset to defaults. Sep 04 15:40:51 DocScrutinizer05: yes 'self healing' or 'shit coding' as scientists are now calling it. Sep 04 15:42:43 anyway, re-added and dropped into place like you said Sep 04 15:43:12 now nuking that 4GB .wav shit Sep 04 15:43:57 hey, MfE actually works Sep 04 15:43:58 neat Sep 04 15:44:04 hm, maybe not Sep 04 15:45:47 it's probably part of some "widget is crashing h-d: disabled widgets" logic Sep 04 15:47:31 ShadowJK: obviously Sep 04 15:47:34 My question is, how have you gone this long without knowing that? :) Sep 04 15:47:40 haha Sep 04 15:47:49 Woody14619: because he never reboots, duh. Sep 04 15:48:12 Woody14619: because 17:43:32 up 157 days, 18:39, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sep 04 15:48:21 I figured that out in the first month of owning my N900, because the PR1.0 facebook widget (and notifier, and the e-mail widget, all from Nokia) would crash the desktop and wind up in that state. ;) Sep 04 15:48:29 hehehe Sep 04 15:48:44 anyway, MfE still doesn't work, sadly :c Sep 04 15:48:54 which means that i have to keep my computer working Sep 04 15:48:55 I even filed a bug on it! ;) Sep 04 15:49:05 well, maybe I knew about it, but forgot since I never ran into it last 18 months or so Sep 04 15:49:10 In what way does MfE not work? (On N9 or N900?) Sep 04 15:49:18 doc: true. :) Sep 04 15:49:41 kerio: It works on my N900, but then we have a rather simple setup here. Sep 04 15:50:01 what do you use it for? Sep 04 15:50:18 also, i specifically meant wrt google sync Sep 04 15:51:48 Ah... I heard Google turned that off on their side. (eg, specifically broke it to not work). I talk to a real Exchange 2008 server our IT group here at work insists we all use. Sep 04 15:52:22 mfe barely works with itself. Sep 04 15:53:58 we have a problem with mfe and it is called libcurl3 Sep 04 15:54:50 I have a problem with mfe in that MSFT can suck my nuts. Sep 04 15:55:32 kerio; is this about needing to upgrade libcurl from -devel? Sep 04 15:55:45 i vaguely recall someone doing that to get mfe-google working Sep 04 16:13:35 hi Sep 04 16:13:45 yo yo Sep 04 16:25:32 hello Sep 04 16:26:07 not really maemo related, but anyone experienced with n900 fixing/disassembling? My flex cable seems to be in an imperfect condition, to say at least: http://i.imgur.com/8xw67.jpg Sep 04 16:32:19 DocScrutinizer05: *EE poke* Sep 04 16:32:27 hm? Sep 04 16:32:51 tadzik's problem Sep 04 16:33:24 hmm, hard to really tell from that picture Sep 04 16:34:01 if FPC is actually broken or messed up, you need complete swap Sep 04 16:34:14 FPC == flex cable? Sep 04 16:34:17 yep Sep 04 16:34:44 I dismantled the thing because the screen didn't work most of the time when I used the slider Sep 04 16:34:50 flexible printed circuit, flex plastic cable, flex plastic connector, whaever Sep 04 16:34:55 it took a few seconds of sliding/unsliding to make it show up Sep 04 16:34:59 I see Sep 04 16:35:28 it's not only the "cable" but actually the complete "mainboard" of screen half Sep 04 16:35:34 uh Sep 04 16:35:43 with front-cam, ALS, earpiece, whatnot else Sep 04 16:36:23 test EAX,EAX compares registers EAX with EAX? Sep 04 16:36:25 WTF? Sep 04 16:37:15 tadzik: http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/flex-ribbon/nokia/n900.html Sep 04 16:38:06 HTH Sep 04 16:38:50 vi_: Common way to set flags (usually the zero flag) according to what's in eax, at least. As in, "call foo; test eax, eax; jz bar" for "if (foo() == 0) goto bar;" Sep 04 16:39:07 no "thanks"? :-/ Sep 04 16:39:15 DocScrutinizer05: thanks, I'll look around for it. Generally it's something home-replacable, given a lot of care and steady hands? Sep 04 16:39:26 yes, definitely Sep 04 16:39:34 great. Thank you Sep 04 16:44:45 DocScrutinizer05: one more thing, do you know if there's anything particularly tricky with putting the screen back with the keyboard? It keeps popping of Sep 04 16:45:09 and all the videos I see cover dissasembly, not assembly Sep 04 16:45:40 err, nothing particularly tricky known, except maybe the latches at/under kbd-frame Sep 04 16:45:59 so just press it until it clicks? Sep 04 16:46:10 the most tricky part for sure is plugging FPC to mainboard Sep 04 16:46:20 I managed to do that, yes Sep 04 16:46:25 there's nothing that clicks Sep 04 16:47:01 upper half with slide mech should fall into place easily Sep 04 16:47:58 there seems to be a metal thing that supposedly goes below the keyboard near the letters ERT Sep 04 16:48:18 check location center upper end of kbd Sep 04 16:48:24 there is some latch Sep 04 16:48:34 yep, exactly Sep 04 16:48:49 so the trick is to somehow slide it under? Sep 04 16:49:04 that might be a tad tricky and need a little(!) force to snap into place Sep 04 16:49:08 yes Sep 04 16:49:51 you may push and bend a tiny bit, in the end it will fit Sep 04 16:56:47 ha, it was way easier after unsliding it Sep 04 16:58:17 sure :-D Sep 04 16:59:39 so _that_ was the trick :P Sep 04 16:59:40 also loosening the kbd frame (2 pcs torx-screw) helps a lot Sep 04 16:59:54 I thought it's back there, but when I slid it open it appeared to be over the keys :) Sep 04 17:00:06 huh. It know works _a lot_ better Sep 04 17:00:19 for now, surely, but it's at least on in both positions Sep 04 17:00:27 just blinks once in the middle of the way Sep 04 17:00:31 thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 Sep 04 17:00:37 yw Sep 04 17:01:16 Sicelo: yep, he found me :-D Sep 04 17:01:27 :P Sep 04 17:02:04 :) Sep 04 17:02:22 regarding getting spare, the offer at http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/flex-ribbon/nokia/n900.html sounds surprisingly reasonably priced Sep 04 17:03:11 it might be tricky to ship it to Poland Sep 04 17:03:48 uh, well, I think I broke the physical lock-unlock switch Sep 04 17:04:15 like, I need to press screen and keyboard together and then it works Sep 04 17:05:05 eew Sep 04 17:05:29 I'd rather not screw the screws to tightly, I don't have any spare ones Sep 04 17:05:41 okay, a little tighter was enough Sep 04 17:05:55 sorry for spamming :) Sep 04 17:06:02 if they break, then spare ones are your least problem Sep 04 17:06:34 unless they get their thread become a nice, round circle Sep 04 17:06:46 however you shouldn't be too careful and gentle on tightening them, Sep 04 17:07:33 as long as it seems to 'move' something, you want to tighten them further Sep 04 17:08:21 I might find the torque suggested for those, but I'd just say consider it was a wooden match you don't want to break Sep 04 17:09:00 or: trun the screwdriver between thumb and index digit Sep 04 17:09:38 I now find it hard to resist the urge to slide it back and forth to see if it's working better, I'll better leave it alone as much as possible until my cable gets there Sep 04 17:09:43 you shouldn't apply more than moderate force with this "gesture" Sep 04 17:09:48 right Sep 04 17:10:37 by no means turn the screwdriver "from your wrist" Sep 04 17:11:18 haha, it's far too small for that Sep 04 17:11:39 it's about the size of the n900 stylus Sep 04 17:12:16 yeah, just turn it by sliding your thumb and index fingertips against it Sep 04 17:12:27 yeah, it seems to be okay now Sep 04 17:12:34 this way you can't apply too much force Sep 04 18:07:59 hmm http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/04/unreleased-nokia-lauta-qwerty-slider-emerges/ Sep 04 18:08:22 yeah, fuck elop Sep 04 18:08:34 ha Sep 04 18:09:04 Hopefully Jolla will end up interesting places Sep 04 18:09:18 The whole market is due for some disruption Sep 04 18:10:02 yeah, I was thinking today what would I buy if my n900 was actually beyond recovery. Not wanting Android nor iPhone the only thing coming to my head was "another n9(00)" Sep 04 18:10:07 ENOTENOUGHCHOICES Sep 04 18:10:31 Android fanboys are the worst. Sep 04 18:10:46 fanboys are generally nothing good Sep 04 18:10:52 :nod: Sep 04 18:11:08 tadzik, indeed. Sep 04 18:11:27 GeneralAntilles: though I think it is too little too late for Jolla. I hope I am wrong Sep 04 18:12:03 I'm awaiting a day when companies will sell phones without OSes, like you can buy a computer without OS Sep 04 18:12:17 wondering if I'll see that in the next 50 years ;) Sep 04 18:12:18 But the unique delusions about the definitions of open source and Linux that infest Android fanboys are particularly infuriating. Sep 04 18:12:38 freemangordon, well, given we have no clear idea of what it is Jolla is bringing to market, it's a little early to be deciding. ;) Sep 04 18:12:50 oh, you mean the "but I'm using an open platform"? Sep 04 18:12:51 tadzik, I have no desire for that. Sep 04 18:13:02 "Android is Open Source." Sep 04 18:13:05 "Android is Linux." Sep 04 18:13:08 No and No. Sep 04 18:13:08 hehe, which remembers me the conversation I had with a friend of mine a couple of days ago Sep 04 18:13:27 "but, but, I have Linux on my phone" Sep 04 18:13:44 some HTC or Sammie, can't remember Sep 04 18:15:27 The saddest part is all of the talented people who have been sucked into it. Sep 04 18:15:36 Supporting a platform that doesn't support open source or Linux. Sep 04 18:18:24 tadzik: (phone without OS) my suggestion since at least 2 years: deliver new hw with (additional) board-support-package, so community can easily port whatever (linux) OS they like Sep 04 18:18:41 GeneralAntilles: sure. but it is profitable :) Sep 04 18:20:25 Android is iOS minus the ease of use Sep 04 18:25:10 android guys would skin you alive Lava_Croft!! iOS is child's play according to them Sep 04 18:27:10 someone (last week) was adamant that Maemo has no better multitasking than android. Sep 04 18:27:53 tbh, I don't know how much multitasking android has Sep 04 18:28:01 I just know that running 16 apps made them go "woo" Sep 04 18:31:24 Sicelo: well, that's true. comparing quality of a certain property in two things is nonsense when one of the things is completely missing that property Sep 04 18:40:37 android has half-multitasking Sep 04 18:40:43 but its a bitch to even switch between or close tasks Sep 04 18:41:10 it reminds me of N8 symbian^3 multitasking Sep 04 18:41:14 cumbersome Sep 04 18:41:46 you have a special button for running tasks, but to even switch between or close a task you have to open this menu Sep 04 18:42:04 closing a running app, in my experience, comes down to minimizing it and then opening the list of open apps Sep 04 18:42:10 the app doesnt show up if its the current app Sep 04 18:42:22 its all very wtf to someone whose first 'smartphone' experience was Maemo5 Sep 04 18:42:52 or to anyone who has used windows or linux in the past 15+ years Sep 04 18:43:21 its a clear-cut case of typical android stuff Sep 04 18:43:30 someone went "oh shit! we forgot this" Sep 04 18:43:32 and then they hacked it in Sep 04 18:43:55 not too strange if you consider android's roots Sep 04 18:45:19 Lava_Croft: well, it's the same thing as iphone multitasking Sep 04 18:45:43 no its not exactly Sep 04 18:45:44 to close, you have to background, enter the task list, hold on the application until shit starts jiggling, and then tap close Sep 04 18:45:54 iphone has no multitasking at all Sep 04 18:45:56 and the current app doesn't appear in the task list Sep 04 18:46:00 its just a list of recently used apps Sep 04 18:46:01 whatever, it has backgrounding Sep 04 18:46:05 (that nobody ever uses) Sep 04 18:46:12 android's multitasking is different Sep 04 18:46:30 iphone backgrounding actually exists Sep 04 18:46:47 you've got the notification system and all sorts of shit to reduce as much as possible the load on the system Sep 04 18:46:53 it's all *fucking dumb*, mind you Sep 04 18:47:05 but it works-ish Sep 04 18:47:45 its different from android's multitasking Sep 04 18:47:52 we have both iphone and nexus7 here Sep 04 18:48:11 iphone has way more limited 'multitasking' Sep 04 18:55:15 hello world Sep 04 18:55:25 anyone here happen to deal in global roaming? Sep 04 18:57:25 I'd say there's no such thing like reasonable global raoming Sep 04 19:01:34 except maybe with thuraya and the like Sep 04 19:02:25 iridium Sep 04 19:02:37 >>Aufgrund von bilateralen Roamingabkommen mit über 300 GSM-Netzbetreibern können Thuraya Handys auch mit üblichen GSM SIM-Karten verwendet werden.<< Sep 04 19:03:17 errrr Sep 04 19:03:34 the handy can be used with mormal SIM cards??? Sep 04 19:04:09 I missread, I thought the thuraya SIM (and handy) can roam to 300 networks Sep 04 19:09:17 DocScrutinizer05: the best i found was O2 Sep 04 19:09:29 i seems to give me unlimited (?) global roaming for 80 USD Sep 04 19:09:44 O2 indeed has quite a number of roaming partners Sep 04 19:09:48 (original number was 50 GBP, but i need to think in USD) Sep 04 19:10:10 my general assumption is that a major carrier will have sufficient roaming partners Sep 04 19:10:28 if it doesn't, its terrible reputation should precede itself Sep 04 19:10:37 so, i'm not particularly worried on that Sep 04 19:10:40 just the basics: Sep 04 19:11:09 how much data? how reasonable is the fee for the data? how reasonable is the fee for international roaming? Sep 04 19:15:46 I got O2 prepaid and I never would dare to use data when roaming. Sep 04 19:16:19 there've been poor lusers who got a 5 digit bill after their holiday Sep 04 19:18:34 obviously most of them had contracts, asking for €€€€€ on prepaid is kinda pointless, though occasionally they do that as well Sep 04 19:22:13 recently EU comission introduced a regulation/law to limit roaming fees to a somewhat reasonable level in Europe Sep 04 19:22:30 yeah, it's even below 1€ per megabyte for me :) Sep 04 19:22:43 great! Sep 04 19:23:27 could easily be ten times as much Sep 04 19:23:41 it used to be, methinks Sep 04 19:23:49 :nod: Sep 04 19:24:07 shame that not everywhere you can buy a decent local sim Sep 04 19:24:12 i could see paying 1eur/meg.. if i was roaming on another planet :D Sep 04 19:24:14 france-- Sep 04 19:24:33 DocScrutinizer05: thing is, inmarsat is $3/mb Sep 04 19:24:39 DocScrutinizer05: and that's over satelite Sep 04 19:24:43 yep Sep 04 19:24:53 that's why I suggested thuraya Sep 04 19:25:13 inmarsat coverage is much better Sep 04 19:25:19 though nothing beats iridium Sep 04 19:25:43 not much bandwidth but reasonable prices even via sat, so roaming mustn't be more pricey Sep 04 19:27:06 yeah, iridium is awesome, technically Sep 04 19:28:09 inmarsat is coming from commercial to mass market Sep 04 19:29:14 anyway I'm not sure inmarsat does any roaming at all Sep 04 19:29:34 they not even got any dual mode phones afaik Sep 04 19:29:43 I might be wrong Sep 04 19:30:29 no need for roaming if they have most of planet surface covered Sep 04 19:31:01 sure, but then you might not want to go out into the rain to call your grannie Sep 04 19:31:31 why would you want a sat phone when you are in place that has gsm coverage Sep 04 19:31:33 sat phones are pretty much like GPS: no indoor coverage Sep 04 19:31:47 i think that's the main reason why sat phone prices have dropped down recently a lot Sep 04 19:32:02 because every single shithole has gsm now Sep 04 19:33:13 jacekowski: it seems thuraya (and iridium?) have a dual mode policy to use same account and hardware via GSM where available and only use sat when in the outback Sep 04 19:33:46 err northpole/sahara (since even outback is completely covered afaik) Sep 04 19:34:12 i'm not sure if thuraya has north pole coverage Sep 04 19:34:21 they don't Sep 04 19:34:34 only sahara ;-P Sep 04 19:34:46 well, most of sahara probably has gsm coverage Sep 04 19:34:59 fuuuuck Sep 04 19:35:33 hmm, no Sep 04 19:35:53 actually I think nowadays sat phones are just a nice-to-have for desaster management Sep 04 19:36:37 BTW, Iridium covers both poles :) Sep 04 19:37:05 when there's no electricity and no connectivity and no radio/TV in whole europe due to some mega-blackout, you might be happy with a thuraya, given your friends also have those ;-) Sep 04 19:37:21 iridium covers 100% Sep 04 19:37:23 the Amundsen-Scot south pole station is using a bank of Iridium modems for (slow) Internet access, IIRC Sep 04 19:38:17 on a related note, there is an upgraded version of Iridium in the works - Iridium NEXT Sep 04 19:38:30 wut? Sep 04 19:38:41 next bankrupcy? Sep 04 19:38:43 http://www.iridium.com/About/IridiumNEXT.aspx Sep 04 19:38:59 one is never enough :) Sep 04 19:39:07 seems so Sep 04 19:39:12 can i use my n900 to access that network? Sep 04 19:39:18 no Sep 04 19:39:24 shame Sep 04 19:39:29 does it provide internet? Sep 04 19:39:42 with a serial or USB modem... :) Sep 04 19:39:51 and how quick would it be? Sep 04 19:39:56 well, you might, for iridium there's those 'cradles' that convert normal GSM into iridium phone Sep 04 19:40:00 if you can burn DVDs over USB, why not :) Sep 04 19:41:00 like, how quick are satellite connections in general? Sep 04 19:42:22 depends Sep 04 19:42:29 how much are you willing to pay Sep 04 19:43:01 awesome animated dif: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_(Kommunikationssystem)#Netzabdeckung Sep 04 19:43:07 gif* Sep 04 19:43:22 astra (europe only) does like 10Mbits Sep 04 19:44:07 DocScrutinizer05: mesmerizing Sep 04 19:52:45 http://www.satcomglobal.com/products-services/network-or-brand-0 Sep 04 19:54:38 kerio: >>Thuraya IP is a generation ahead in design and performance. It is an ultra light weight and compact satellite modem and the world’s smallest, most durable terminal to provide speeds of up to 444kbps.<< Sep 04 19:55:40 but that's barely more than EDGE! Sep 04 19:56:28 BTW, we got a talk from technicians of a Satellite Internet provider in a course at school Sep 04 19:58:16 any they mentioned some interesting things, like competitors technician being eaten by a Tiger in Africa, installing equipment on an embassy in Iraq or outfitting a big jacht with gyrostabilised equipment & dedicated frequency bands in all major oceans & seas :) Sep 04 19:58:23 DocScrutinizer05: yeah... Sep 04 19:58:36 i've used o2 prepaid (disposable) while in UK/IE Sep 04 19:58:47 but i'm looking into something as a business traveler Sep 04 19:59:07 right now my bill for 2 sim's (CA, US) is ~200USD/mo Sep 04 19:59:23 one of the two plans gives me what i believe is truly unlimited worldwide data Sep 04 19:59:40 which is a really nice thing... in principle Sep 04 20:00:37 it's sad, i should actually switch from my CA sim to my US sim for use in Canada (dropping my CA subscription) Sep 04 20:00:40 the data rate is better Sep 04 20:00:45 (since there's no 1GB cap) Sep 04 20:01:31 timeless: you're still with RIM? Sep 04 20:01:45 yes Sep 04 20:02:04 hey, my phone bills w/ RIM are probably more reasonable than my bills w/ Nokia :) Sep 04 20:02:05 for shame! Sep 04 20:02:11 (i'm not sure about that, but i think so) Sep 04 20:02:12 a pity we didn't phone-conference while I was with STE Sep 04 20:02:23 ;-) Sep 04 20:02:24 timeless: How much longer? Sep 04 20:02:31 i bought a house Sep 04 20:02:34 i like Toronto :) Sep 04 20:02:43 TIFF starts this week Sep 04 20:02:53 http://tiff.net/ Sep 04 20:05:35 Gotta start looking, with RiM and Nokia in a race toward the abyss = Sep 04 20:06:11 * DocScrutinizer05 snorts, blames nasty weather, and heads out Sep 04 20:10:52 don't forget HP ! (at least where mobile devices are concerned) :) Sep 04 20:11:10 RST38h: aww, RIMM was doing better until last month Sep 04 20:11:34 http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1346789481446&chddm=66470&chls=IntervalBasedLine&cmpto=NASDAQ:RIMM;NYSE:HPQ&cmptdms=0;0&q=NYSE:NOK&ntsp=0&ei=ol9GUPCzKOqT0QGoDQ Sep 04 20:11:48 M4rtinK: good point, my former boss from NOK went to HPQ Sep 04 20:14:12 HP still making mobile devices? Sep 04 20:20:21 Is Jaaksi still with HP? Sep 04 20:30:07 timeless: you're the microB dude, aren't you Sep 04 20:39:22 Trust my word, all this mobile buggery will end up with Apple and Samsung as the only manufacturers, battling it out in courts Sep 04 20:45:29 RST38h, lets hope not. Sep 04 20:45:40 Although if it does, I think I'll blame you. ;) Sep 04 20:46:23 * tadzik only know realizes why "Antilles" sounds familiar Sep 04 20:46:24 yeah yeah, blame me for everything Sep 04 20:47:10 * RST38h cackles "nevermore!" and takes off toward the hills Sep 04 20:47:50 quoth the RST, "nevermore" Sep 04 20:57:59 tadzik: so let me know why it sounds familiar, please :-) Sep 04 20:59:09 DocScrutinizer05: Wedge Antilles was the commander in the X-Wing squadron on the Rebellion and later The New Republic Sep 04 20:59:32 which makes me think for which book the phrase "General Antilles" is a spoiler :P Sep 04 21:00:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_Antilles Sep 04 21:05:04 Someone rang? Sep 04 21:05:52 hehe, not really Sep 04 21:05:56 yeah, Admiral Ackbar, muttering something about a "trap" ;) Sep 04 22:13:46 Hi all, can anybody browse to to /usr/share/application/hildon/rtcom-call-ui.desktop/ and paste mi content of this file please Sep 04 22:14:46 tnx solved Sep 05 00:04:11 hmm Sep 05 02:13:04 I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my senheisser headset for the longest time... So I got another nokia one - and I can't really see a difference in their jacks: http://imgur.com/TXC2J Sep 05 02:34:13 it's wired differently Sep 05 02:36:13 I was told this would be compatible on this channel :< derp Sep 05 02:38:17 http://en-de.sennheiser.com/pmx-680i-sports this is what I want to use Sep 05 02:38:19 There's several ways of wiring it. The best thing to do is just ignore the mic pin, use the good old standard 3-connector plug and you'll be fine Sep 05 02:38:36 how do I ignore the mic pin? Sep 05 02:39:05 (also note that your mic pin gives you the extra controls, so...) Sep 05 02:39:24 I just want to be able to yell into a mic that is hooked up to my phone Sep 05 02:39:41 Then get a Nokia one, or tear it apart and rewire it Sep 05 02:39:57 what's this mean 'ignore the pic pin?' Sep 05 02:40:09 The Sennheiser one's wired for Apple. If it says it's apple compatible, it's not Nokia compatible Sep 05 02:40:34 I mean find an adapter or other device that doesn't have the 4th ring, and only has two headphones Sep 05 02:40:52 there are no wired over the ear headsets compatible with nokia then Sep 05 02:41:21 Possibly not. I have seen a Nokia one that has the headphone part plug into it's microphone part Sep 05 02:41:40 which means you could plug your own headphone into it's microphone part, and then that into your device **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 05 02:59:59 2012