**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 05 02:59:59 2012 Sep 05 07:23:19 hi all Sep 05 07:24:07 i'm looking for some info/tutorial on how to implement kinetic scrolling in a gtk app Sep 05 07:24:54 can anyone help with a link? Sep 05 10:08:40 anyone knows how to make gtk widget with text inside to scroll kinetic? Sep 05 10:37:06 gtk knowledge is woefully scarce Sep 05 10:37:30 nfc why Sep 05 10:40:31 it wasn'tmuch used as a mobile platform maybe? Sep 05 10:40:43 probably since Nokia tested a concept to take the piss out of devels on frementle with Qt vs gtk, that they perfected with MTF vs qml on HARM Sep 05 10:41:33 maepad uses wpeditor-dev Sep 05 10:41:50 and seems that wpeditor doesn't have kinetic scrolling Sep 05 10:42:13 DocScrutinizer05: now it's wp vs harm :P Sep 05 10:42:49 wp? harm? Sep 05 10:42:51 "hey folks, we used (gtk|MTF) for all our mostly closed apps, but sorry you're not supposed to do that since it's deprecated. Please use $new-leete-shit instead, we **promise** that's the future and supported on all our next platforms" Sep 05 10:43:11 haha Sep 05 10:43:27 what's next, tcltk? :P Sep 05 10:44:02 they did this TWICE now! >:-( Sep 05 10:44:28 tcltk? Sep 05 10:45:10 DocScrutinizer05: cheer up, they're run out of toolkits soon :) Sep 05 10:45:23 and of business too, it semes Sep 05 10:45:29 they constantly invent new ones Sep 05 10:45:46 (not business though) Sep 05 10:46:15 DocScrutinizer05: i heard qml2 is fast(yesterday) and as well you can use MTF, it's just not documentaited. MohammadAG uses it Sep 05 10:46:26 sorry, what's MTF? Sep 05 10:46:41 for now it seems they ran out of FOSS to abuse, and so it doesn't matter anymore Sep 05 10:46:43 using scrollbar in maepad is so annoying... Sep 05 10:46:44 meego touch framework Sep 05 10:46:49 okay, thanks Sep 05 10:46:52 meego-touch-framework Sep 05 10:47:40 vdv: aaaaaah, I foggily recall it's been a matter of theming Sep 05 10:48:48 DocScrutinizer05, i use default theme Sep 05 10:48:59 I'm reminded of something I wrote ages ago. http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299&sid=fe8c379985f5e1b5445aa9cea1fa78db#p1879299 Sep 05 10:49:00 or what do you mean? Sep 05 10:49:13 http://www.google.de/search?num=30&hl=de&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=maemo+gtk+kinetic+scrolling Sep 05 11:55:01 using maepad is annoying on account of the fact that when it changes from portrait to landscape it erases the WHOLE FUCKING CANVAS. Sep 05 11:55:21 How can the author leave what was such a cool program in such a bullshit state. Sep 05 12:04:42 vi_: that applies to most of n900/Maemo :) Sep 05 12:06:15 :) Sep 05 12:08:11 vi_: As an alternative, I find when I rotate my deskpad to portrait that the letters and pictures are 90 degrees out. To that extent, it's functional but I do get a sore neck. Sep 05 12:17:09 Double You, Tee, Eff: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1260580&postcount=1 Sep 05 12:19:32 is that estel's 18650 batt Sep 05 12:20:09 Naw - some gadgie who goes by the name of Fallingwater. Sep 05 12:21:28 hm Sep 05 12:21:49 if he doesnt mind losing camera he could get 3 x 14500 across too Sep 05 12:22:02 It is absolutely epic. The glued-on USB port is also fantastic. Sep 05 12:22:22 hehe. Reminds me of the duct tape inside my laptop Sep 05 12:23:42 lol, fullsize usb? Sep 05 12:23:49 Aye. Sep 05 12:24:07 The boy's got history: http://www.technfun.com/pages/article.php?id=25 Sep 05 12:25:11 ^^^ from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1214158&postcount=2522 Sep 05 12:58:03 kerio: yes Sep 05 13:07:28 westwallpoma: where are you from? Sep 05 13:07:43 Embra. Sep 05 13:07:48 aka gregoranderson on tmo Sep 05 13:07:50 well no shit. Sep 05 13:07:54 AHAHAHAAA! Sep 05 13:07:55 yes shit Sep 05 13:08:16 I knew the term 'gadgie' was a localised one Sep 05 13:08:25 :) Sep 05 13:09:39 Edinburgh...fucking trams...stupid fringe finally finished, now fuck off you tourist fucks. Sep 05 13:11:21 gregoranderson, I was astonished to learn that your real name is gregor anderson. Sep 05 13:11:41 Yeah - didn't think that one through when I registered. Sep 05 13:11:41 subtle play on words in your username. Sep 05 13:11:54 Although, who would suspect. Sep 05 13:12:11 Ask reggie to change your account name to Willie miller. Sep 05 13:12:23 Similarly astonished to learn you aren't really named after a b'stard of text editor. Sep 05 13:12:32 You take that back! Sep 05 13:12:44 BTW - I fly vim daily. Sep 05 13:12:57 You are forgiven. Sep 05 13:12:58 Emacs can hum my hairy baws. Sep 05 13:14:04 Wait... Sep 05 13:14:08 Real men leave the room abruptly by shouting "colon queue!" Sep 05 13:14:22 My username WAS taken from the text editor. Sep 05 13:14:52 westwallpoma: A lot of my wordprocessor documentys have random ':wq's in them. Sep 05 13:22:43 I just saw the xxxl battery. Sep 05 13:22:47 ...mother of god. Sep 05 13:28:23 vi_: where? Sep 05 13:35:49 jon_y: on TMO Sep 05 13:36:45 timeless: could you leave the whole microB source code on a public repo somewhere by accident? Sep 05 13:37:48 afaik, i don't have anything more than anyone else who doesn't work @nokia Sep 05 13:38:12 :( Sep 05 13:38:47 mxr.maemo.org should have something Sep 05 13:39:04 romaxa would have the most sources Sep 05 13:39:11 he's still @nok Sep 05 14:33:20 i'm bored Sep 05 14:33:33 good! Sep 05 14:33:52 no, the other thing Sep 05 14:33:54 kerio: port fuelpad to harmattan Sep 05 14:34:06 i don't know what fuelpad is Sep 05 14:34:15 and i don't have anything with harmattan on Sep 05 14:34:17 car expenses tracker Sep 05 14:34:34 i don't even have a driver's license! Sep 05 14:34:41 completely offline, works in sb works on device Sep 05 14:35:14 looking at nokia store we could make use of a foss gpsrecorder port Sep 05 14:35:38 huh? gpsrecorder isn't open? Sep 05 14:35:48 is open Sep 05 14:36:16 but harmattan gps recorder stuff (useful) is all "paid" Sep 05 14:36:17 so? Sep 05 14:38:42 chem|st: http://i.qkme.me/3qrvwf.jpg Sep 05 14:39:36 sure thing! Sep 05 14:40:49 notice especially how i am not in that room Sep 05 14:44:34 american electric sockets Sep 05 14:45:12 jaska: the yet smallest market for mobile phones Sep 05 14:47:33 yeah, i'm not sure elop understands that Sep 05 14:47:34 :s Sep 05 14:52:41 kerio: and Maemo Sep 05 14:53:03 and likely winmo Sep 05 14:53:21 awesome stairway Sep 05 14:53:22 jon_y: that's just because maemo users are all ninjas Sep 05 14:53:48 I agree about the stairway Sep 05 14:53:54 Who said? I was too busy lurking in the shadows. Sep 05 14:54:05 stairway is more popular than the phone Sep 05 14:55:50 there's a lady who's sure Sep 05 14:55:53 all that glitters is gold Sep 05 14:55:57 and she's buying a stairway Sep 05 14:55:59 to heaven Sep 05 14:57:01 one of those I can't hear anymore Sep 05 14:57:32 my comunards tortured me with playing it 40 times a day, for months Sep 05 14:58:05 question: is it bad form to have a directory in /opt writable by user? Sep 05 14:58:15 basically yes Sep 05 14:58:33 what should i use? Sep 05 14:58:36 /opt is meant to be root writable only Sep 05 14:58:37 /var/? Sep 05 14:58:42 var is ok Sep 05 14:58:50 var is also in the rootfs Sep 05 14:58:54 or rather, your ~home Sep 05 14:58:59 or MyDocs Sep 05 14:59:07 DocScrutinizer05: packages shouldn't touch home, though Sep 05 14:59:20 says who? Sep 05 14:59:44 unix is multiuser! Sep 05 14:59:58 yes, sure Sep 05 15:00:18 that's why it's basically your binary that will create any stuff in ~home Sep 05 15:00:21 meh, i'll just install the binary sgid something Sep 05 15:00:31 oh, neat Sep 05 15:00:35 the "games" user is there Sep 05 15:00:40 home is only for runtime conf ; package shouldnae go near it. Sep 05 15:01:02 Proper naughty. Sep 05 15:01:02 DocScrutinizer05: can i assume /opt/ will be writable? Sep 05 15:01:08 no Sep 05 15:01:22 i'm targeting maemo, not a real unix system! Sep 05 15:01:27 /opt is the optional /usr Sep 05 15:01:55 ~fhs Sep 05 15:01:56 i heard fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package Sep 05 15:02:15 DocScrutinizer05: two wrongs don't make a right but a wrong can make it impossible not to make another wrong Sep 05 15:02:34 that's how Sep 05 15:02:39 ~optification Sep 05 15:02:40 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Sep 05 15:02:42 works Sep 05 15:03:39 how do i add a package to extras(-devel)? Sep 05 15:03:45 or, rather Sep 05 15:03:53 how to i take over a package in extras(-devel)? Sep 05 15:04:05 what now? Sep 05 15:04:39 a) get an account on garage.maemo.org Sep 05 15:04:59 http://maemo.org/packages/view/unnethack/ is stuck at an ancient version Sep 05 15:05:06 b) there's some documented way to request maintainership transfer Sep 05 15:06:41 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unnethack/ Sep 05 15:09:27 kerio: I think somewhere on garage you'll find some help about transfer of project maintainer role Sep 05 15:09:47 generally has to be handled by X-Fade Sep 05 15:10:32 (as there's obviously no sane automated way to deprive mainainer from his role and transfer it to you) Sep 05 15:10:41 There's a thread / wiki page dedicated to digging up package maintainers who are stuck in devel. Sep 05 15:11:27 kerio: or you simply 'fork' Sep 05 15:13:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Darp Sep 05 15:13:53 No mention of unethack, though. Sep 05 15:14:20 no, the problem is that unnethack's maemo package is unmaintained Sep 05 15:16:11 Maintainer is listed as "tkatchev" - who's still active-ish (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1221638&postcount=11 on 14th June this year) Sep 05 15:18:06 kerio: or you simply 'fork' Sep 05 15:18:09 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kerios-new-unnethack/ Sep 05 15:18:13 ew Sep 05 15:25:46 DocScrutinizer05: the package name matters Sep 05 15:28:32 wtf, how do i get root in scratchbox? Sep 05 15:28:32 :s Sep 05 15:32:01 * kerio is tempted to install flex and ncursesw-dev on his n900 Sep 05 15:33:34 fakeroot? Sep 05 15:35:40 See #14 & #15: http://www.scratchbox.org/faq/faqlist.html Sep 05 15:36:09 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/30298 Sep 05 15:43:11 meh Sep 05 15:43:17 developing for the n900 is a fucking mess Sep 05 15:50:18 welcome to wonderful world of crosscompiling Sep 05 15:50:46 spiced by SB in a really extraordinary way Sep 05 15:50:52 hah Sep 05 15:51:34 anyway, i suppose i could package acehack for the n900 Sep 05 15:51:51 i'm not sure console games are particularly good for the n900 Sep 05 15:52:07 orly? Sep 05 15:52:07 but it's definetely the best handheld device for those Sep 05 15:52:26 depends on the game ;-) Sep 05 15:52:30 i mean, it's got 1) a physical keyboard, and 2) a console Sep 05 15:52:39 DocScrutinizer05: turn-based roguelike Sep 05 15:53:07 gibberishgubberush Sep 05 15:53:29 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Nethack_releasing_a_djinni.png <- this, except slightly different because it's a fork Sep 05 15:53:46 ooh Sep 05 15:54:09 yeah, that's probably the class of games that are not that useful on N900 console Sep 05 15:54:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack#Interface hahaha, "A detailed example" Sep 05 15:54:20 DocScrutinizer05: they're not useful anywhere, though :c Sep 05 15:54:33 and osso-xterm can get to a vaguely respectable 79x25 Sep 05 15:54:46 which is almost good Sep 05 15:54:51 umm, with loupe yeah Sep 05 15:55:01 hahaha Sep 05 15:55:27 or with -15 years? Sep 05 15:57:03 That'll be ma tea oot. Cuddle y'all. Sep 05 16:03:04 o/ Sep 05 16:04:41 * DocScrutinizer05 searched for 10 minutes now for a link to the awesome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film) fresnel lenses in front of shitty monitor, alas no luck Sep 05 16:04:50 for kerio Sep 05 16:05:15 it's ok, i know that movie :) Sep 05 16:13:19 3dlens.com Sep 05 16:14:04 cheap too, and good customer service Sep 05 16:14:26 they replaced a lens that got snappes on post Sep 05 16:14:52 in Sep 05 16:15:36 hmm, 25 lines actually still 'readable' Sep 05 16:16:10 :D Sep 05 16:16:22 (all hail to maemo xterm's awesome zoom) Sep 05 16:16:23 besides, nethack is really easy Sep 05 16:16:27 hail! Sep 05 16:16:29 o/ Sep 05 16:17:11 you're greeting like himself :-/ ;-P Sep 05 16:17:18 o| is proper Sep 05 16:17:34 oI Sep 05 16:17:48 no o/ or o_/ Sep 05 16:18:45 you ever really watched that asshole doing "his own greeting"? (as well as a lot of the other top nazis) Sep 05 16:19:07 like a hippie on dope Sep 05 16:22:45 DocScrutinizer05: http://hipsterhitler.com/comics/heil/ Sep 05 16:42:22 o/ Sep 05 16:42:44 Mghm Sep 05 16:42:52 Another day another Lumia Sep 05 16:59:12 hm? Sep 05 17:17:51 hmm, how come there is no Weechat build for Maemo? Sep 05 17:25:08 hi guys Sep 05 17:25:45 wanna ask: is it true that a certain finnish phone maker is giving new life to maemo/meego? Sep 05 17:25:47 thanks Sep 05 18:07:39 Flop will not allow that Sep 05 18:08:29 unless you meant Jolla maemo based mer/nemo flavour Sep 05 18:30:14 http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/nokia-n950-developer-kit/235102728 Sep 05 18:30:19 I am having trouble with the scratchbox-based SDK for Maemo 5. I had to re-install it on my Ubuntu laptop. The SDK will compile things etc, but when I test code using Xepher, the Hildon widgets don't quite work properly. Specifically, the menus do not show any text the first time they are displayed, but they do show text on all subsequent times. Also, mouse import events are missed, checkboxes are not updated, etc. Has anyon Sep 05 18:30:20 e else seen that problem? Sep 05 18:30:21 Someone's selling a N950 on the Finnish auction system! Sep 05 19:05:54 the buy now price is hilarious Sep 05 19:20:50 hello, I just got an n810 and cannot find a flasher for lion or mt lion. Anyone know where I might find one? The link on maemo.org is PPC only Sep 05 19:38:07 jaska: did you see http://breanieswordvomit.tumblr.com/post/30886300092/thedailywhat-legitimate-drowning-of-the-day Sep 05 19:38:18 and if you did/didn't, having now seen it, do you understand it? Sep 05 19:41:20 tomford: virtualbox Sep 05 19:41:29 * wmarone saves the image Sep 05 19:41:31 use the linux flasher :) Sep 05 19:43:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 Sep 05 19:43:14 seems that the flasher-3.5 should work Sep 05 19:50:36 yeah I thought about creating a virtual machine, but I wasnt sure if I needed to. I did try flasher 3.5 and it did not work. I got back flasher-3.5 not found. However I did successfully install the package as far as I can tell. But I searched my system and I do not see flasher-3.5 anywhere. Sep 05 19:54:15 I think I will just use linux. I have updated to the latest version of ubuntu... does the linux flasher work with the latest ubuntu? Also I usually use parallels, any reason to use virtualbox over parallels? Sep 05 19:58:04 thanks I might check back later Sep 05 20:07:31 Is there any real-world benefits of linaro toolchain over crosstools-ng? Sep 05 20:18:46 At a centimetre thick, the 920 truly is a formidably substantial slab. Tipping the scales at 185g, it's closer to Nokia's last brick (the 220g Nokia 9500) than the Galaxy S3 (130g), and only the N900 in recent years comes close. Sep 05 20:21:43 Skry: linaro may have patched gcc to not crash when emitting some stuff Sep 05 20:22:12 e.g. there seems to be a fix for some neon opcode which only linaro has Sep 05 20:23:03 timeless: did you seriously suggest flashing over virtualbox Sep 05 20:23:19 kerio: more or less, yes :) Sep 05 20:23:32 a stable linux vm is pretty easy to find for this Sep 05 20:23:39 stable USB on the other hand, is not Sep 05 20:24:02 dealing w/ OS X kernel changes if your os x software includes a driver written by people who probably don't know what they're doing Sep 05 20:24:06 is much riskier Sep 05 20:24:22 odds are better that the VirtualBox OS X USB driver will work than your stale OS X driver Sep 05 20:24:28 i know, it sounds stupid, but. Sep 05 20:24:37 it's not even a driver Sep 05 20:24:41 it's just libusb Sep 05 20:24:49 that's still a driver of sorts, no? Sep 05 20:24:57 iirc some portion of flasher forced a reboot Sep 05 20:25:15 and, while in theory there may be newer versions of libusb, flasher-3.5 itself won't magically have them Sep 05 20:26:32 gah, libusb.org is slow Sep 05 20:27:20 Skry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+bug/803232 is the neon crash that came to mind fwiw Sep 05 20:27:42 http://www.libusb.org/log/libusb/libusb/os/darwin_usb.c is the list of fixes (more or less) for darwin Sep 05 20:27:51 some portion of them are definitely post flasher-3.5's ship date :) Sep 05 20:28:01 @0c5bf0 12 months vlovich Darwin: Reduce race likelihood between cancellation and device disconnect … Sep 05 20:28:03 is cute :) Sep 05 20:28:38 @d38dd5 2 years hchan Darwin: write iso transfer details into correct packets Sep 05 20:28:40 is amusing Sep 05 20:29:20 haha Sep 05 20:30:06 check out the changeset! Sep 05 20:30:35 it really is scribling over the wrong place Sep 05 20:30:38 pretty cool Sep 05 20:30:54 well, at least it's consistently scribling over a single place :) Sep 05 20:31:18 timeless: ok, thanks. have to compile some performance critical stuff so was looking for some improvements. Sep 05 20:31:38 Skry: oh, i wouldn't expect perf wins Sep 05 20:31:50 but, having been told about gcc upstream botching that neon thing Sep 05 20:31:55 and discovering that linaro has a fix Sep 05 20:31:56 ... Sep 05 20:31:57 * timeless grumbles Sep 05 20:32:03 why can't all the little kiddies share? Sep 05 20:32:30 did i mention that i *hate* downstreams? Sep 05 20:35:53 might be that little kiddies are selfish and/or greedy sometimes Sep 05 20:37:40 yo Sep 05 20:38:07 I just sold a chinese motorcycle. Sep 05 20:38:56 I am going to celebrate wigh a pork chop. Sep 05 20:39:39 I made a 300% profit. Sep 05 20:40:04 vi___: someone is selling a n950 on a finnish auction site Sep 05 20:40:52 uh huh. Sep 05 20:40:56 how much. Sep 05 20:41:02 ? Sep 05 20:41:13 600€ Sep 05 20:41:23 well, it's the starting price Sep 05 20:41:32 with what i think is the price to buy instantly set at 1490€ Sep 05 20:41:35 http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/nokia-n950-developer-kit/235102728 Sep 05 20:41:45 yep Sep 05 20:42:13 You gonna buy it? Sep 05 20:42:20 shit no Sep 05 20:42:24 lols Sep 05 20:42:30 how no? Sep 05 20:42:41 the n950 sucks balls Sep 05 20:42:55 this is true. Sep 05 20:43:10 now, if i could put fremantle on it... Sep 05 20:44:32 if only I could put strait up debian on it. Sep 05 21:01:07 omapdrm working \o/ Sep 05 22:20:25 I am having trouble with the scratchbox-based SDK for Maemo 5. I had to re-install it on my Ubuntu laptop. The SDK will compile things etc, but when I test code using Xepher, the Hildon widgets don't quite work properly. Specifically, the menus do not show any text the first time they are displayed, but they do show text on all subsequent times. Also, mouse import events are missed, checkboxes are not updated, etc. Has anyon Sep 05 22:20:25 e else seen that problem? Sep 06 00:36:27 hi Sep 06 00:36:36 Hi Sep 06 00:39:09 is this channel about n900? Sep 06 00:40:09 yes Sep 06 00:40:38 technically, other maemo devices too. Sep 06 00:41:32 well, my n900 is quite laggy, what do you recommend me to do in order to get it work smoothly? Sep 06 00:42:02 zltan does it get better after reboot? Sep 06 00:42:39 joga: perhaps, but I can notice an obvious difference Sep 06 00:42:44 can't Sep 06 00:43:02 (I regularly kill hildon-home because after a while it starts lagging every time the screen turns on) Sep 06 00:43:38 check top for runaway processes ? Sep 06 00:43:48 i've noticed a new package - fastern9, what do you think about it? Sep 06 00:43:54 ie. after picture is visible, it takes several seconds to do anything, and it also happens if the phone is ringing which is awkward because even though I pressed answer many seconds ago I still wait for it to notice and to stop the ringtone :) Sep 06 00:44:23 zltan fwiw, I've tweaked transition effects to a minimum, it helps a lot imo Sep 06 00:44:28 (it appears more snappy) Sep 06 00:44:53 also avoiding cluttering desktops with unneccessary widgets that update all the time Sep 06 00:45:53 also install status area cpu/mem applet, then you can always see if it's busy when tiny bars rise up Sep 06 00:46:47 joga: have you tried the fastern9? Sep 06 00:46:48 I've gotten used to that so if it seems busy I'll just let it do its thing first or at least don't press many times in hopes of getting a response Sep 06 00:46:53 zltan no Sep 06 00:47:46 it seems that it really makes an improvement Sep 06 00:47:55 I do have swappolube Sep 06 00:48:01 not sure what fastern9 does Sep 06 00:48:39 I haven't kept very up to date on recent programs/developments Sep 06 00:48:42 fastern9: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83940 Sep 06 00:48:55 oh Sep 06 00:49:07 but is that for n9 or n900? Sep 06 00:50:36 uff...sleepy time, good night Sep 06 00:51:01 bye Sep 06 00:51:18 what theme do you use? Sep 06 01:13:13 Anyone have experience with broken N900:s? When I press the power button my N900 seems to turn on (the led blinks white), but the screen doesn't turn on and the vibrator doesn't vibrate as it did before :( Sep 06 01:13:39 It's not dead? Sep 06 01:13:44 *battery Sep 06 01:13:45 However, I hear clicks when clicking the screen just like I normally do, so the touchscreen input seems to work at least Sep 06 01:13:52 TamyrRRRR, Have you tried removing the battery for a brief while, then trying a reboot? Sep 06 01:13:59 Ken-Young: Yep Sep 06 01:14:08 I'd bet the screen cable is broken Sep 06 01:14:53 TamyrRRRR, If you call the n900's number, does it ring? Sep 06 01:15:17 You can get replacement cables and screens on Ebay Sep 06 01:15:30 Ken-Young: haven't tried it, but I doubt it since I can't enter the SIM unlock code Sep 06 01:16:39 robbiethe1st: Something like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-NEW-Nokia-N900-LCD-Screen-Display-Replacement-Spare-Part-ORIGINAL-NEW-/390395501140?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item5ae5629a54 Sep 06 01:16:46 The vibrator not working makes it sound like it's not just the screen. Sep 06 01:17:00 Indeed Sep 06 01:18:03 I could also mention that the keyboard lights do turn on Sep 06 01:18:26 There's a lot tied to that screen cable Sep 06 01:18:48 I may be wrong then. Sep 06 01:18:50 without it, the device won't boot properly. With a broken one, it will usually boot, but... Sep 06 01:21:54 robbiethe1st: I haven't disassembled my N900 before, would it be hard to replace the LCD? Sep 06 01:22:06 No. Sep 06 01:22:33 You have to be careful and you need a small philips screwdriver(ph00), and a small torx driver Sep 06 01:22:44 But it's not hard to replace the LCD or the cable Sep 06 01:23:00 Could there be any chance that the cable has simply been dislodged? (This seems to happen after the phone dropped one meter on the floor) Sep 06 01:23:07 could be Sep 06 01:23:21 Check once it's open Sep 06 01:24:53 The hardest part is, when you pull the LCD out, you have to be careful about dust getting in, and dust on top of the new LCD Sep 06 01:25:20 I see. Although that would be merely a cosmetic problem not a functional problem? Sep 06 01:25:30 Correct Sep 06 01:25:45 You need to be very careful with the cable, though, for obvious reasons Sep 06 01:25:58 There's good photo-guides and youtube videos out there Sep 06 01:28:17 The N900 seems to be more fragile than other phones I've had :/ Sep 06 01:28:36 I've already had it replaced once (although they tried to foist some Symbian based device on me as a replacement...) Sep 06 01:28:51 Eh, it's got a couple of issues - USB port was a definite design flaw. Sep 06 01:29:00 Other than that, I've seen only random failures Sep 06 01:29:15 Like the LCD cable. Occasional failures, not everyone Sep 06 01:29:37 My first unit failed in such a way that the phone couldn't connect to the phone network Sep 06 01:29:50 Yeah, that's happened before Sep 06 01:30:03 I've got a device(from Ebay) with a broken cellmodem Sep 06 01:32:39 Oh well, luckily I have a spare phone available to use at the moment Sep 06 01:35:04 robbiethe1st: Any hints on what to search for if I only need the cable? (I've found some dealers that seem to have the LCD itself) Sep 06 01:36:31 Dunno Sep 06 01:36:51 'cable'? Sep 06 01:38:14 Heh, I see that the service manual warns you to be careful about not damaging the USB connector... :) Sep 06 01:39:26 With the device open, you can always throw some solder between the USB connector and the nearby metal covers. Sep 06 01:40:20 Might be a good idea Sep 06 01:43:58 robbiethe1st: Thanks for the hints, I guess I'll try to open the phone tomorrow or so and see if the cable is dislodged before I begin to order replacement parts online Sep 06 01:44:07 fair enough Sep 06 01:44:14 make sure you have the right tools Sep 06 01:45:11 I'll have to buy a small torx driver I guess Sep 06 01:45:18 yeah Sep 06 01:45:25 It's like a T3 or 4 Sep 06 01:46:27 Although as far as I can see I should be able to inspect one end of the top/bottom connector using just a small phillips driver Sep 06 01:47:04 The service manual says not to reuse the screws by the way, is that something to be concerned about` Sep 06 01:47:07 ? Sep 06 02:00:30 TamyrRRRR: check chanlog for "FPC" yesterday Sep 06 02:01:34 DocScrutinizer05: Thanks, I'm looking into it Sep 06 02:02:12 and you don't need to be too concerned about new screws, I hardly ever heard they broke for anybody. But if you have a chance to get new ones, I'd do Sep 06 02:02:29 you got L1_2 servie manual? Sep 06 02:02:45 service Sep 06 02:03:12 Yep, I found Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf on some of the seedier parts of the net Sep 06 02:03:22 yep Sep 06 02:05:21 you may want to connect N900 to TV, it might give some hints of what's going on Sep 06 02:05:36 Ah, good idea Sep 06 02:06:18 usually broken FPC finally causes AV-out to also fail Sep 06 02:06:51 but I had same problem, and initially TV shown some semi-usable screen display still Sep 06 02:06:53 Odd. (Since the AV-out is on the bottom part.) Sep 06 02:07:10 later it collabsed to a green line in middle of TV screen Sep 06 02:07:29