**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 09 02:59:58 2012
Sep 09 14:24:27 <qwazix> what build-depends should I have when autobuilder complains about  -lQtSensors
Sep 09 14:24:28 <qwazix> ?
Sep 09 18:22:59 <Sicelo> funny stuff happening to my N900.. i had 3 tabs open in Opera, and it froze. no button works now, and even backlight doesn't come on. Guess i'll have to remove battery
Sep 09 18:23:07 <Sicelo> if only i was on wifi
Sep 09 18:33:01 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh* @ foundation naming and bylaws threads 
Sep 09 18:33:16 <DocScrutinizer05> or the topic in general - poor council 
Sep 09 18:34:10 <DocScrutinizer05> (poor as in "I feel with you", not poor like in "not really good")
Sep 09 19:00:55 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: also poor as in "without enough money"
Sep 09 19:58:47 <fasta> What's NitDroid exactly?
Sep 09 19:59:15 <fasta> Can I install Maemo and NitDroid both?
Sep 09 19:59:35 <tadzik> it's Android for N900, as far as I understand it
Sep 09 19:59:41 <tadzik> and yes, I think you can have both
Sep 09 19:59:47 <tadzik> never did it though
Sep 09 20:00:29 <DocPyrotizer> fasta: you'll need some means to dualboot, for nitdroid
Sep 09 20:00:46 <fasta> DocPyrotizer: and where do I get such means?
Sep 09 20:01:11 <fasta> I didn't really see anyt documentation of NitDroid.
Sep 09 20:01:45 <DocPyrotizer> well, I for one never  even cared to search for such docs
Sep 09 20:02:09 <tadzik> there's this monster tmo thread containing (probably) everything
Sep 09 20:02:50 <fasta> You know what would be useful? A noise removal algorithm for tmo.
Sep 09 20:03:00 <tadzik> haha
Sep 09 20:03:01 <DocPyrotizer> since I think N900 is a pretty poor android device
Sep 09 20:03:18 <fasta> DocPyrotizer: I would only like to enable Whatsapp.
Sep 09 20:03:26 <DocPyrotizer> and who wants android anyway
Sep 09 20:03:34 <fasta> DocPyrotizer: (despite it being terrible and evil)
Sep 09 20:03:36 <tadzik> some people do, apparently
Sep 09 20:07:43 <DocPyrotizer> well, you are aware of the implications of dualbooting? It basically means you have to decide if you want android with whatsapp, or maemo withh all the rest (incl GPRS and wifi which might not work under android)
Sep 09 20:08:26 <sixwheeledbeast> fasta: I believe there a wiki for that http://wiki.maemo.org/NITDroid_Port
Sep 09 20:08:38 <fasta> DocPyrotizer: AFAIK, I only have to 'activate' something once via nitdroid.
Sep 09 20:08:45 <fasta> DocPyrotizer: then when that works, Maemo can be used.
Sep 09 20:14:29 <kerio> DocPyrotizer: there's a whatsapp client for the n900, but the registration is broken
Sep 09 20:14:45 <kerio> so you need to run the actual android app to register
Sep 09 20:14:53 <kerio> after that, you're fine
Sep 09 20:15:02 <kerio> (and it sends the IMEI, so you can't use another phone)
Sep 09 20:16:34 <fasta> kerio: why can't it just send a fake IMEI?
Sep 09 20:16:49 <kerio> fasta: it's the registration that doesn't work
Sep 09 20:17:03 <kerio> sending a fake IMEI wouldn't help
Sep 09 20:18:39 <fasta> Does anyone know of any good IRC client with some advanced anti-spam features?
Sep 09 20:19:05 <tadzik> huh, I never felt a need for those on the IRC
Sep 09 20:19:34 <fasta> tadzik: I alreadu got about 1500 messages from some spammer from a bitcoin channel.
Sep 09 20:19:49 <tadzik> wow
Sep 09 20:19:53 <tadzik> /ignore?
Sep 09 20:20:27 <fasta> tadzik: the user names are all different.
Sep 09 20:20:40 <tadzik> I see
Sep 09 20:20:48 <fasta> tadzik: I wrote a few regular expressions to get rid of it, but the client cannot handle the 15 regular expressions!
Sep 09 20:21:06 <fasta> I can't believe how someone can design an IRC client to be that bad.
Sep 09 20:21:13 <tadzik> :) what are you using?
Sep 09 20:21:20 <fasta> tadzik: Quassel
Sep 09 20:21:28 <fasta> tadzik: the core runs on a server.
Sep 09 20:21:39 <fasta> tadzik: that's why I appear to be 'online' all the time.
Sep 09 20:21:55 <fasta> tadzik: great idea, but the client itself is a total failure.
Sep 09 20:22:07 <fasta> tadzik: the problem however is that almost all software sucks.
Sep 09 20:22:12 <tadzik> I just use weechat on the ssh shell
Sep 09 20:22:20 <tadzik> yeah, well, welcome to the World :)
Sep 09 20:22:23 <fasta> I have also tried out about 30 music players or so.
Sep 09 20:22:33 <fasta> All of them are just really, really wrong.
Sep 09 20:22:41 <tadzik> I like mpd+ncmpcpp combo
Sep 09 20:22:50 <fasta> The one I use now isn't supposed to work according to the C++ standard.
Sep 09 20:22:53 <tadzik> I didn't find a single GUI one that's not horrible
Sep 09 20:24:22 <fasta> tadzik: for something like mpd, some kind of 'wizard' to set things up is needed.
Sep 09 20:24:42 <tadzik> maybe
Sep 09 20:24:52 <fasta> tadzik: and I'd guess that ncmpcpp also doesn't download lyrics, etc.
Sep 09 20:24:58 <tadzik> it does, actually
Sep 09 20:25:13 <fasta> tadzik: ok, I don't care about album art :)
Sep 09 20:25:25 <fasta> tadzik: that's sort of nice then. I will try it then sometime.
Sep 09 20:25:39 <tadzik> I like the fact that it's directory-driven rather than metadata-driven
Sep 09 20:25:46 <fasta> tadzik: has it been written in some kind of decent C++?
Sep 09 20:26:02 <tadzik> I have no eye deer, I don't feel a need to look at the source code
Sep 09 20:26:06 <tadzik> especially since it's C++
Sep 09 20:26:11 <fasta> tadzik: it never crashed?
Sep 09 20:26:16 <tadzik> not for me
Sep 09 20:26:29 <fasta> tadzik: and you have left it running for weeks?
Sep 09 20:26:41 <tadzik> why would I? It's a client, not a server
Sep 09 20:26:50 <tadzik> mpd runs for months here
Sep 09 20:27:17 <fasta> tadzik: and I expect it also has some kind of CLI api?
Sep 09 20:27:29 <tadzik> ncmpcpp is an ncurses app
Sep 09 20:27:34 <tadzik> mpd is a daemon which plays music
Sep 09 20:27:35 <fasta> tadzik: i.e. things like foobar next, to go to the next song?
Sep 09 20:28:02 <tadzik> there are mpd clients which do that, mpc for example. Or you can just connect to host:port and send "next"
Sep 09 20:28:16 <tadzik> also, I have a feeling we're going rather offtopic in here, and may make some people mad ;)
Sep 09 20:28:43 <fasta> tadzik: I don't think we do, but everything which can be said about it has been said.
Sep 09 20:29:25 <tadzik> not sure how #maemo reacts to offtopic, so I try to be careful-ish [;)
Sep 09 20:30:16 <DocPyrotizer> kerio: ending a fake IMEI wouldn't help ### sure it would, when I send fake IMEI of N900 from arbitary other platform for registration
Sep 09 20:30:25 <kerio> oic
Sep 09 22:44:24 <ShadowJK> N900 bluetooth range is somewhat impressive
Sep 09 22:44:57 <ShadowJK> 45 meters before my headphones started cutting out
Sep 09 22:56:46 <SpeedEvil> wow
Sep 09 22:56:53 <SpeedEvil> which phones?
Sep 09 22:59:18 <ZogG_laptop> lumia?
Sep 09 22:59:25 * ZogG_laptop makes trollface
Sep 09 23:19:27 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil; some peltor bluetooth ones
Sep 09 23:20:01 <SpeedEvil> I've been wondering about getting some, but I have conflicting needs.
Sep 09 23:20:29 <ShadowJK> ws2 oe something
Sep 09 23:20:29 * ShadowJK wears them at work
Sep 09 23:20:32 <SpeedEvil> maybe I should just stick with regular in ear and a convertor box
Sep 09 23:20:56 <ShadowJK> I went to fetch the less sucky dmm and only noticed when I went into the machine shop that I had forgotten phone
Sep 09 23:21:33 <ShadowJK> then I checked range :)
Sep 09 23:22:44 <SpeedEvil> I'm finding in ear phones mostly OK for nuisance noise attenuation
Sep 09 23:23:06 <SpeedEvil> and then slap some cheap ear defenders on top for really decent
Sep 09 23:23:19 <ShadowJK> I've been temoted to try Shure's in-ear, their (now historical) published specs indicated noise isolation almost as good as real hearing protection
Sep 09 23:23:28 <ShadowJK> tempted*
Sep 09 23:23:53 <SpeedEvil> I've been using the n900 phones
Sep 09 23:24:50 <ShadowJK> I find I need really tiny in-ear ones to fit underneath, and the types with rubber or silicone earcanal seal are uncomfortable like that, the foam varieties are better, they prevent differential air pressure from building up
Sep 09 23:25:36 <ShadowJK> heh, I've never even tried those, but the driver part, and the strain relief looked too big, iirc
Sep 09 23:25:47 <SpeedEvil> yeah, you need properly fitted silicone.
Sep 09 23:26:11 <SpeedEvil> I was pondering casting my own. but the stock ones work OK
Sep 09 23:28:04 <ShadowJK> No I mean when the silicone properly fits, it gets uncomfortable with additional cups on top
Sep 09 23:28:37 <SpeedEvil> ah
Sep 09 23:28:55 <ShadowJK> fits/seals
Sep 10 00:03:13 <DocScrutinizer05> there are some senheiser(?) in-ear with custom-made ear-fittings
Sep 10 00:03:19 <DocScrutinizer05> for like 300EUR
Sep 10 00:03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> takes 2 weeks to deliver from the mould they take from your ear
Sep 10 00:05:09 <DocScrutinizer05> on a sidenote, my friggin LG TV needs more volume each other month, I wonder if it's speakes wearing out, or my ears wearing out
Sep 10 00:05:17 <DocScrutinizer05> speakers*
Sep 10 00:06:14 <DocScrutinizer05> that's probably age when you can't see closer than 50cm and ears go deaf
Sep 10 00:06:51 <DocScrutinizer05> it's never been that true: I'm getting too old for that shit
Sep 10 01:36:07 <ShadowJK> I have some sennheisers that have really tiny drivers and strain reliefs, fits good under peltor cups. But, for some reason, when the seal is perfect. it gets really uncomfortable, and it's like there's no attenuation of noise in the low range, say 150Hz and down
Sep 10 01:38:34 <robbiethe1st> ShadowJK, you've got a N900 right?
Sep 10 01:39:02 <robbiethe1st> Grab this: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1475&faq=34
Sep 10 01:39:06 <ShadowJK> yes
Sep 10 01:39:36 <robbiethe1st> Works nicely, gives you a proper EQ for the stock media player(and possibly others)
Sep 10 01:40:23 <ShadowJK> ...
Sep 10 01:41:01 <ShadowJK> That's unrelated.
Sep 10 01:41:01 <ShadowJK> I'm talking about external noise
Sep 10 01:41:02 <ShadowJK> like say in an airplane or a car
Sep 10 01:41:41 <ShadowJK> Boosting bass with eq to bring it above noise is just going to ruin your hearing too, which is counter to the entire point :P
Sep 10 01:42:15 <robbiethe1st> I thought your problem was too much bass; figured you could turn it down
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