**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 12 02:59:59 2012 Sep 12 04:20:00 Thanks. I got configure Samba server at N810 Sep 12 05:12:04 * RST38h yawns Sep 12 09:39:31 in harmattan sdk is i386 version of bme, seems same as armel Sep 12 09:39:48 maybe this version can be used in ida... Sep 12 10:21:11 could anyone please remind me, if i get non-functioning cameras and "APMD disconnected" after massive update which includes power kernel, which packages should I reinstall? Sep 12 10:43:26 Arkenoi: APMD is advanced power monitor Sep 12 10:43:38 non-functioning cameras... weird, did you have fcam installed? Sep 12 10:50:21 "fcam-drivers is already the newest version" Sep 12 10:55:22 and how do i repair apmd? Sep 12 10:55:47 uninstall fcamera fcam-drivers hdrcapture lowlight Sep 12 10:55:49 then reinstall those Sep 12 10:55:56 i don't know about apmd, sorry Sep 12 10:56:02 maybe uninstall and reinstall Sep 12 10:56:11 (purging the config files in the meantime, so do the uninstall with --purge) Sep 12 11:00:26 ok. camera works now, but i still have no idea how to fix or diagnose apmd Sep 12 11:01:02 batterygraph works properly meanwhile Sep 12 11:12:56 which would be better for P2P voice chat; bluetooth or wifi? Sep 12 11:14:53 at Bluetooth ranges, just put the phone down. Sep 12 11:15:14 Motorcycle to motorcycle. Sep 12 11:15:37 I'm sshing from pc to my n900 via putty on windows, but I find the speed is slow Sep 12 11:15:42 what's wrong? Sep 12 11:15:52 vi_: power-wise? Sep 12 11:15:52 I have disabled power saving mode Sep 12 11:15:58 i think the audio quality could be better via wifi Sep 12 11:16:10 LaoLang_cool: cpu, maybe? Sep 12 11:16:25 LaoLang_cool: try usb networking Sep 12 11:16:28 kerio, you mean n900's cpu is slow? Sep 12 11:16:45 LaoLang_cool: is it just a bit of lag in the shell? Sep 12 11:16:49 LaoLang_cool: It is a common problem. No one knows why it is sometimes slow as shit. Sep 12 11:16:54 kerio, yes, a bit of lag Sep 12 11:16:55 or are you trying to push data through it? Sep 12 11:17:06 my english is poor ;p Sep 12 11:17:06 eeh, wifi "problem" Sep 12 11:17:06 laolang_cool, try disabling powersaving on n900 wifi Sep 12 11:17:10 flux: he did Sep 12 11:17:12 oh Sep 12 11:17:13 WiFi may well be longer range Sep 12 11:17:14 LaoLang_cool: try usb networking Sep 12 11:17:26 kerio, yes, my networking is a wifi enviroment Sep 12 11:17:38 in any case, doing that will destroy battery life, so better turn it back on if it didn't help :) Sep 12 11:17:39 I have piss ssh performance over wifi when on top of my access point sometimes. Sep 12 11:17:51 Running dd-wrt. Sep 12 11:17:57 vi_: use two walkie talkies Sep 12 11:18:00 with the power cranked cranked illegally high. Sep 12 11:18:12 vi_, so it's probably saturating the radio Sep 12 11:18:13 flux, oh! thank your for reminder, I will enable it Sep 12 11:18:16 also, n900 version off sshd is fucking ancient. Sep 12 11:18:21 vi_: i've found that increasing the tx power only makes the connection worse :( Sep 12 11:18:24 I seriously doubt sshd has anything to do with this Sep 12 11:18:33 the same can probably be observed with ping Sep 12 11:18:35 that said, i increased it a bit from the default Sep 12 11:18:43 flux: nope. Sep 12 11:19:03 flux: run a constant ping in the background and performance still sucks asses. Sep 12 11:25:55 ssh to maemo is useless at all, so much lag Sep 12 11:26:24 lag is solely due to power save in my experience Sep 12 11:26:27 A time wasting thing :) Sep 12 11:26:27 maybe try nice on the sshd? Sep 12 11:26:40 wild guess :) Sep 12 11:26:56 also, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOTpjBGcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player Sep 12 11:27:16 I don't know, I set up the ssh connection by wiki step by step, I have no knowledge on ssh at all ;p Sep 12 11:29:19 * kerio doesn't have a lot of lag Sep 12 12:05:29 * DocScrutinizer05 neither Sep 12 12:06:02 since I'm using this (otherwise shit from hell) DIR-615 Sep 12 12:14:30 i'm using a sweet, sweet wrt-610n Sep 12 12:19:20 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff Sep 12 12:19:42 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-thumb, you're shit out of luck for multiple reasons Sep 12 12:20:26 seems in line with my rant yesterday Sep 12 12:20:32 yep :( Sep 12 12:21:32 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair if the versioning was done in the correct way (with +foo added at the end) then there would be no problem Sep 12 12:21:35 >>just in case I'm hit by bus and cssu-t has an important security bugfix << LOL Sep 12 12:22:24 DocScrutinizer05: hey, the bus factor matters Sep 12 12:22:41 kerio: I still don't see how such policy wouldn't inadvertedly "downgrade" half of your system to non-thumb versions Sep 12 12:22:52 DocScrutinizer05: wouldn't be a big deal Sep 12 12:23:00 they still work fine Sep 12 12:23:13 it's just insane Sep 12 12:23:20 outright insane Sep 12 12:23:32 anyway, the weird thing is that now *some* packages are upgradable, and other packages aren't Sep 12 12:23:55 exactly Sep 12 12:23:55 because the versioning is FUBAR because of nokia and other people Sep 12 12:24:17 no, the concept is insane Sep 12 12:25:03 if you want a non-thumbified bugfix version for your thumb system, get it via apt-get install pkg=version Sep 12 12:25:20 k Sep 12 12:26:03 once the thumb repo got the bugfix as well, you roll back Sep 12 12:26:17 DocScrutinizer05: once the thumb repo gets the bugfix, you *upgrade* :) Sep 12 12:26:35 that's what I meant Sep 12 12:27:03 just apt-get inst pkg=ver will probably break auto-upgrade for that pkg Sep 12 12:27:40 DocScrutinizer05: hm, are you sure? i don't think it also pins the version Sep 12 12:27:51 otherwise "upgrade" to old version would kick in the same seconds you finish install via apt-get Sep 12 12:28:08 i think you have to also echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections to do that Sep 12 12:28:38 DocScrutinizer05: well, there's a reason apt asks for confirmation before upgrading :) Sep 12 12:29:57 freemangordon: DocScrutinizer says (and i might actually agree, weirdly enough) that thumb versions should be higher than any other version, so maybe put "thumb:" as an epoch, before anything else? Sep 12 12:31:37 DocScrutinizer05: the thing is, having thumb packages at a higher version than normal ones prevents you from going back to the normal -testing Sep 12 12:32:20 hypothetically, if fmg gets hit by a bus and nobody else picks up the community-thumb project Sep 12 12:32:41 i know how much you like hypothetical situations that won't happen ;) Sep 12 12:36:03 but Sep 12 12:36:05 but Sep 12 12:36:08 thumb rules. Sep 12 12:36:19 indeed, but the versioning is apparently FUBAR Sep 12 12:36:21 we just noticed it Sep 12 12:36:36 it should've been $version+thumbX, it's $version-thumbX Sep 12 12:36:41 and that apparently makes apt shit its pants Sep 12 12:36:53 sometimes Sep 12 12:37:09 well who has cssu-t AND thumb repo enabled? Sep 12 12:37:15 ...everyone? Sep 12 12:37:24 why? Sep 12 12:37:33 -thumb only has a small number of recompiled packages, the rest come from -testing Sep 12 12:37:50 well fck testing. lets just go thumb. Sep 12 12:37:58 that would be an option, yes Sep 12 12:38:11 it is the only option. Sep 12 12:38:22 N900 is a 3 year old device. Sep 12 12:38:47 Stop getting so hung up about doing things 'proper' and 'the debian way'. Sep 12 12:39:23 ditch cssu-t Sep 12 12:39:25 vi_: CSSU is also stacked on top of the nokia repos Sep 12 12:39:45 well idgaf. Sep 12 12:39:48 fuck everything. Sep 12 12:39:55 it's repos all the way down! Sep 12 12:40:00 cssu-thumb is the way it is going to be. Sep 12 12:40:41 if you do not want it, go suck a fuck. Sep 12 12:40:57 And use pr 1.1 or something. Sep 12 12:41:04 DocScrutinizer05: i think estel stole vi_'s account Sep 12 12:41:06 D: Sep 12 12:41:27 N900 is out of developers and out of time. Sep 12 12:43:12 vi_: (well fck testing. lets just go thumb.) that's nonsense unless you meant that as a policy for your local device. cssu-t is trsting for cssu-s, and cssu-s never will go thumb just for the leeteness Sep 12 12:58:14 vi_: still doesn't help the versioning issue Sep 12 13:44:49 ~ping Sep 12 13:44:50 ~pong Sep 12 14:07:55 Does anyone here use the qtcreator for maemo application development? Sep 12 15:02:07 in C, dafuq this means: Sep 12 15:02:16 a &= b Sep 12 15:02:23 a |= b Sep 12 15:02:34 a &= ~b Sep 12 15:02:38 a |= ~b Sep 12 15:05:13 last one is easy :D Sep 12 15:05:31 actually all those make sense if I'm right about ~ Sep 12 15:05:58 a &= b would store in a the bitwise and of a and b, a |= b is bitwise or Sep 12 15:06:18 a &= ~b would be bitwise and of and inverted b Sep 12 15:06:19 ... Sep 12 15:08:48 Pali: how fast is M32G? Sep 12 15:08:59 kerio, it is usable Sep 12 15:09:07 but slower than the normal mtd install? Sep 12 15:09:21 somebody wrote that no, somebody yet Sep 12 15:09:24 *yes Sep 12 15:09:29 hm Sep 12 15:09:54 I installed a lot of apps and I have a lot of files here, it is slower on my n900 Sep 12 15:09:57 but still usable Sep 12 15:10:18 Pali: you probably know this better than me - is there a sensible way to mount /usr from the eMMC early in the boot process? Sep 12 15:10:44 kerio, not easy Sep 12 15:10:47 :( Sep 12 15:10:48 i figured Sep 12 15:10:54 why you need it? Sep 12 15:11:10 the "easiest" way would be to unconditionally mount it right before init is launched, but then i screw up bootmenu Sep 12 15:11:32 Pali: because the rootfs situation in fremantle on the n900 is absurd Sep 12 15:11:53 kerio, this is very hard... I think you never got fully working solution... Sep 12 15:12:03 use then M32GB Sep 12 15:12:13 it is what you want Sep 12 15:12:19 Pali: eeh, not quite Sep 12 15:12:20 but yeah Sep 12 15:12:42 M32GB load maemo from /home/user/maemo5 Sep 12 15:12:56 also /opt is in /home/user/maemo5 Sep 12 15:13:02 the thing is, with /usr out of the way then it's possible to disable ubifs compression Sep 12 15:13:25 ubifs compression is ok Sep 12 15:13:32 it's really not Sep 12 15:13:37 it's a kludge made to help with the little space Sep 12 15:13:43 it is faster then eMMC Sep 12 15:13:49 but slower than it could be Sep 12 15:13:58 or something Sep 12 15:14:30 Pali: a good way of doing M32G would be a separate partition on the eMMC Sep 12 15:14:44 kerio, also possible Sep 12 15:15:07 just create new partition and edit "copy" script and bootmenu item Sep 12 15:15:36 and you need to edit /etc/init.d/rcS-late which mount & generate /etc/fstab Sep 12 15:28:48 merlin1991: thank you! Sep 12 17:10:50 i'm confused about the cssu update process Sep 12 17:11:16 it asks to create a backup, i create backup, then the whole update process starts again Sep 12 17:11:28 and it won't let me update without backing up Sep 12 17:14:19 jonne|reconnecte, read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ Sep 12 17:17:27 ah, conflict with operator name widget Sep 12 17:18:20 (( but slower than it could be)) not necessarily - if CPU (de)compression can keep up with, or is even faster than IO Sep 12 17:18:47 DocScrutinizer05: fire up another general notice pls Sep 12 17:19:03 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff Sep 12 17:24:44 jonne|reconnecte: ^ Sep 12 17:24:59 yeah, tnx Sep 12 17:24:59 DocScrutinizer05: i'm not convinced the CPU can, actually Sep 12 17:25:23 i upgraded the widget seperately, doing the full update now Sep 12 17:27:39 jonne|reconnecte: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264798#post1264798 Sep 12 17:28:40 yes, saw it the first time :) Sep 12 17:31:36 nah, it's different Sep 12 17:32:08 actually it's my answer on the one I referred to in general notice Sep 12 17:32:43 it has recovery "instruction" Sep 12 17:42:31 is anyone following the iphone 5 announcement? Sep 12 17:45:51 sort of Sep 12 17:45:55 it's meh Sep 12 18:04:50 also as usuall DocScrutinizer05 recovery strategy is a tad overkill Sep 12 18:05:05 hm, no microusb port compatibility in the iphone 5 Sep 12 18:05:08 quit ham wait 5 min start ham wait, do update opername wait update cssu is enough Sep 12 18:05:14 wasn't that required, in europe? Sep 12 18:07:26 not sure about that, kerio Sep 12 18:07:32 i think it's weird too Sep 12 18:08:15 then again, iphone connector does way more than can be done with microusb, so they'd need to either drop that feature or put 2 ports in their phone Sep 12 18:08:23 neither of which are an attractive option Sep 12 18:15:42 USB charging is mandatory in Europe and China. Micro-USB is mandatory by USB-cert Sep 12 18:15:58 there's no such thing like mini-USB anymore, officially Sep 12 18:16:24 NFC about devices that don't ahve *any* USB connector Sep 12 18:18:36 I'd guess neither USB-cert nor any EU-commission or China Gvmt can force a manufacturer to build a USB port to his product just for charging Sep 12 18:19:19 if however it already _has_ any USB, it's mandatory that this can do charging too Sep 12 18:20:12 (btw that's what basically fucked up N900 hostmode) Sep 12 18:20:46 wait, why? Sep 12 18:21:17 i guess for future-proofing Sep 12 18:21:22 (since, to allow charging from fastcharger, they had to swap PHY chip to allow D+/- detect, which in turn broke hostmode/OTG) Sep 12 18:21:26 i see Sep 12 18:21:51 because otherwise manufacturers would be stuck adding usb ports on phones that are perfectly capable of wireless charging + data exchange Sep 12 18:22:01 in 10 years Sep 12 18:22:06 oh, the previous NITs couldn't charge from usb? Sep 12 18:22:12 USB isn't going to last forever Sep 12 18:22:18 nope Sep 12 18:22:48 that's why flashing instructions for N8x0 differ from those for N900 Sep 12 18:22:53 well, that's convenient Sep 12 18:23:03 N8x0 won't power up on plugging in USB Sep 12 18:23:53 hmm, upgrade's been stuck on my n900 for a while now Sep 12 18:23:59 wonder what's going on Sep 12 18:24:02 so you flash N8x0 entirely while running from battery Sep 12 18:24:07 * jonne|reconnecte ssh's into phone Sep 12 18:25:00 * DocScrutinizer05 suspects jonne|reconnecte used something other than HAM for update on CSSU Sep 12 18:25:20 HAM == app manager? Sep 12 18:25:24 yep Sep 12 18:25:32 is what i used Sep 12 18:25:43 i do have fapman installed, though Sep 12 18:25:53 well, it can take like 5 minutes of timeout Sep 12 18:26:07 DocScrutinizer05: do you still have to boot to charge? Sep 12 18:26:18 ssh can't connect Sep 12 18:26:18 where? Sep 12 18:26:27 kerio: ^^^ Sep 12 18:26:44 DocScrutinizer05: in the N8x0 Sep 12 18:26:48 sure Sep 12 18:26:51 lame Sep 12 18:26:52 :c Sep 12 18:27:00 even worse than N900 Sep 12 18:27:07 completely sw-controlled Sep 12 18:27:09 by bme Sep 12 18:27:20 no flatbat recovery? D: Sep 12 18:27:21 madness Sep 12 18:27:31 a nasty legacy we still suffer from, on N900 Sep 12 18:28:01 kerio: I think it has some flatbatrecover means Sep 12 18:28:09 or capabilities Sep 12 18:28:16 not really nice though Sep 12 18:29:08 I guess it's just that N8x0 can actually boot with flatbat, since power is from dedicated charger that is known to provide 1A Sep 12 18:29:52 charging however needs CPU Sep 12 18:30:13 unlike N900 where bq24150 can do that autonomously Sep 12 19:38:37 hello guyd Sep 12 19:38:42 guys* Sep 12 19:39:14 why the new SSU update ask for connection to pc? Sep 12 19:39:21 is this mandatory? Sep 12 19:40:25 ask in #maemo-ssu Sep 12 19:40:51 wmaarone_ tnx Sep 12 19:41:04 iphone5 omg omg omg omg Sep 12 19:44:27 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff Sep 12 19:50:46 fredrinLap: it's a 16:9 iphone Sep 12 19:50:55 with a new MAGICAL extra row for icons Sep 12 19:51:00 and LTE Sep 12 19:51:09 and a new MAGICAL camera Sep 12 19:52:36 kerio: :) I know Sep 12 19:52:53 just joining in on the mass hysteria Sep 12 19:53:11 while fighting my n900 Sep 12 19:53:22 noo :( Sep 12 19:53:24 don't fight your n900 Sep 12 19:53:24 for some reason it dont replies to ping Sep 12 19:53:26 he loves you Sep 12 19:53:32 fredrinLap: pings where? Sep 12 19:53:47 wlan or gprs? Sep 12 19:53:50 wlan Sep 12 19:53:53 weird Sep 12 19:53:54 iptables -L? Sep 12 19:54:19 no rules there Sep 12 19:55:25 ah, looks like the new version of HAM doesn't have the weird error message any more Sep 12 19:55:31 that's good for next time then Sep 12 19:56:40 not sure what it is all about :( Sep 12 19:57:13 fredrinLap: reboot? Sep 12 19:57:37 it's kind of a bad advice to diagnose the problem, but it could actually work Sep 12 19:57:43 also check your router isn't stupid Sep 12 19:58:27 kerio: been like this for a long time Sep 12 19:58:50 but not the end of the world. will try to update things to see if that helps Sep 12 19:58:52 maybe your access point has been stupid for a long time :) Sep 12 19:58:57 jonne|reconnecte: correct Sep 12 19:59:09 also try an ad-hoc network Sep 12 19:59:22 is it custom-operator-name-widget i need to install? Sep 12 19:59:38 i am on thumb Sep 12 19:59:43 also, upgrade wasn't really stuck, it rebooted normally after a while Sep 12 19:59:52 fredrinLap: oh, thumb is a whole different bag of bullshit Sep 12 19:59:52 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff Sep 12 20:00:00 fredrinLap: keep calm and don't upgrade Sep 12 20:00:15 i am following that link now Sep 12 20:00:23 fredrinLap: if you're on thumb, that link won't help you Sep 12 20:00:36 hum Sep 12 20:00:40 if you upgrade, you'll lose a lot of thumb packages Sep 12 20:00:40 I need to display a lot of data rows and they don't fit the screen, and I can't make gtk_label pannable. There's too much rows for N900 screen, how can display it or make gtk_label pannable? Sep 12 20:00:56 but regardless, it won't actually work due to a slightly major mistake in the versioning of thumb packages Sep 12 20:01:05 we're working on it :) Sep 12 20:01:28 fredrinLap: cssu-thumb is a completely different domain, basically. You don't generally want to update cssu-t when you're on cssu-thumb Sep 12 20:01:49 ah, thought cssu-t was cssu-thumb.... Sep 12 20:01:57 cssu-t is cssu-testing Sep 12 20:02:04 fredrinLap: NB cssu-thumb is very bleeding-edge and experimental Sep 12 20:02:32 (though freemangordon will argue that) Sep 12 20:03:16 fredrinLap: anyway you need to live with beta-tester user experience when using that sort of bleeding-edge Sep 12 20:03:20 cssu thumb is a recompilation of cssu-testing, so it's as bleeding-edge and experimental Sep 12 20:03:36 it's just slightly less rigorously tested :3 Sep 12 20:03:45 HAM wants me to do: Community SSU enabler, Linux Kernel Community SSU (even though I uses thumb-kernel), Linux kernel for Community SSU (boot image for u-boot and multiboot) and Operator Name Widget.... Sep 12 20:03:55 and slightly less confortably maintained Sep 12 20:04:06 "Linux Kernel Community SSU" should be the thumb kernel Sep 12 20:04:09 HAM wanted me to do nothing today. "No updates", and I'm clearly on the old CSSU Sep 12 20:04:17 boot image for uboot and multiboot is wrong, wrong, wrong Sep 12 20:04:21 tadzik: cssu-stable? Sep 12 20:04:26 kerio: no, testing Sep 12 20:04:30 * tadzik rechecks Sep 12 20:04:32 tadzik: cssu-t or cssu-s Sep 12 20:04:34 ß Sep 12 20:04:42 meh Sep 12 20:04:44 -t I think Sep 12 20:04:48 I'm not sure now :) Sep 12 20:04:59 how to easily check? Sep 12 20:05:08 settings, about CSSU Sep 12 20:05:11 what should I do.... Sep 12 20:05:19 fredrinLap: wait Sep 12 20:05:39 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 Sep 12 20:05:44 that's the old one alright Sep 12 20:05:56 * tadzik tries HAM again Sep 12 20:06:04 I am on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4-thumb16 Sep 12 20:06:06 actually very old, since I thought last one been T4.1 Sep 12 20:06:17 fredrinLap: that's right Sep 12 20:06:25 fredrinLap: just wait a couple of days Sep 12 20:06:32 fmg needs time to recompile everything Sep 12 20:06:37 ok Sep 12 20:06:40 and besides, there's the versioning issue to sort out Sep 12 20:07:02 I'll wait, want to have ssh working though Sep 12 20:07:16 tadzik: the latest was 4.1, are you sure the repos are set correctly? Sep 12 20:07:31 anyway, i suppose people should refer to cssu-thumb as cssu-θ when abbreviating Sep 12 20:07:50 cssu-WHAT? Sep 12 20:07:57 kerio: I don't think I modified the repos after enabling cssu-t Sep 12 20:08:01 I guess that's Unicode Thumb Sep 12 20:08:18 it should be U+03B8, GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA Sep 12 20:08:37 it's the IPA for the voiceless dental fricative Sep 12 20:08:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative Sep 12 20:09:07 huh. I told HAM to update stuff, and it didn't even notice it's offline Sep 12 20:09:29 tadzik: you updated with HAM, or used other deprecated methods, before? Sep 12 20:10:22 DocScrutinizer05: always with HAM Sep 12 20:10:28 strange Sep 12 20:10:32 well, I usually update with FAM Sep 12 20:10:37 but not CSSU Sep 12 20:10:46 hmm Sep 12 20:10:52 here we go Sep 12 20:11:18 tadzik: run apt-get upgrade (without confirming) and tell us what it tells you Sep 12 20:11:39 hold on, I clicked "Install" in HAM, and now it demanded the internet and does updates Sep 12 20:11:43 let's see where it goes Sep 12 20:11:43 I couldn't even guess what fapman would think may get autoremoved when you install7update arbitrary stuff with it Sep 12 20:11:43 yay Sep 12 20:12:03 DocScrutinizer05: doesn't fapman use the apt algorithms? Sep 12 20:12:44 tadzik: you're sure you ever did "update catalogs"? Sep 12 20:13:16 tadzik: IE you maybe set your auto-update period to 57 years or sth? Sep 12 20:13:40 kerio: nfc Sep 12 20:13:47 ok, it now noticed Sep 12 20:13:51 DocScrutinizer05: yes, I did Sep 12 20:14:08 I thought it'd maybe update it anyway if I explicitely say "update stuff" Sep 12 20:14:10 apparently not Sep 12 20:14:16 nope Sep 12 20:14:28 not reliably at least Sep 12 20:15:28 I also had to select "update catalogs" from HAM menu yesterday Sep 12 20:15:58 simply hitting the rightmost huge button in HAM doesn't really cut it Sep 12 20:16:03 fredrinLap: i made this for you :) http://i.imgur.com/tHSqg.png Sep 12 20:16:20 huh, I have no "update catalogs". Only something along "restore catalogs" (I have Polish translatino) Sep 12 20:16:29 kerio: :D Sep 12 20:16:38 no, "restore applications" even Sep 12 20:16:54 and now it says "no catalogs in use", bastard Sep 12 20:16:55 umm, well, edit catalog or whatever Sep 12 20:18:15 * kerio looks at aptitude, that installs a .desktop launcher for hildon that just says "sudo aptitude" Sep 12 20:18:19 * kerio sighs Sep 12 20:18:22 i don't even Sep 12 20:18:40 well, there's an ncurses app there, maybe Sep 12 20:18:49 with minesweeper and all this Sep 12 20:18:51 no, i mean Sep 12 20:19:03 it doesn't install a matching file in sudoers.d Sep 12 20:19:07 so i can't actually launch it Sep 12 20:19:14 tadzik: I click "catalogs" arbbitrary catalog from list, "strore" and close the requester by clicking background Sep 12 20:19:16 without abusing the sudo timeout Sep 12 20:20:37 tadzik: maybe, when clickung "update" frontpage button, HAM also does hidden update, but it takes a while and until then there's showing "no updates available" Sep 12 20:20:50 ok, it's pretending to work now Sep 12 20:21:01 I ran apt-get update, which complained about some bollocks, but now HAM works Sep 12 20:21:06 * tadzik shrugs Sep 12 20:21:13 fair enough Sep 12 20:21:18 ;-P Sep 12 20:22:45 I guess the trick is to keep the "update" screen open for some 5 minutes and wait till the notice "no updates available" gets replaced by the true message Sep 12 20:23:00 uh. It now wants me to use Nokia PC Suite? Sep 12 20:23:10 *sigh* Sep 12 20:23:11 tadzik: read the general notice Sep 12 20:23:17 ah, the Operator Widget Sep 12 20:23:21 my bad, sorry Sep 12 20:23:23 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff Sep 12 20:26:57 hrmpf, why did i have hildon-desktop-application-shortcuts-mr0 installed Sep 12 20:27:31 prolly because it comes with maemo? Sep 12 20:27:47 it's just ovi.desktop Sep 12 20:28:21 * DocScrutinizer05 bets on this containing the skype installer desktop icon, the guided tour, and other similar useless cruft Sep 12 20:28:29 DocScrutinizer05: nope, just ovi Sep 12 20:28:38 the skype installer is in skype-installer Sep 12 20:28:48 hehe Sep 12 20:28:50 ok Sep 12 20:29:10 hm, no it's not Sep 12 20:29:26 is there even a skype installer? Sep 12 20:29:30 nfc Sep 12 20:29:45 if there ever been, it got nuked on my device 3 years ago Sep 12 20:30:36 oh come on, why does the cssu metapackage depend on skype-ui-l10n-*? Sep 12 20:31:38 * kerio hrmpfs Sep 12 20:31:49 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to get some Here_I_Am_feedback to next cssu-t and cssu-s. Sth that pings somewhere to increase a "global number of installs" counter and then removes itself from system Sep 12 20:32:35 kerio: :-S Sep 12 20:33:03 DocScrutinizer05: hehe, a cherry replacement for cssu Sep 12 20:33:04 MP is EVIL Sep 12 20:33:21