**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 18 02:59:59 2012
Sep 18 05:02:24 <kerio> goddammit i can never find robbiethe1st online
Sep 18 05:19:43 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Sep 18 05:20:10 * DocScrutinizer05 prods GeneralAntilles to stand for council/board
Sep 18 05:20:30 * GeneralAntilles swats DocScrutinizer05 with a broom.
Sep 18 05:20:44 <DocScrutinizer05> rotfl
Sep 18 05:21:32 <DocScrutinizer05> tough times need tough men ;-)
Sep 18 05:23:58 <DocScrutinizer05> yay, 244 users. Feels like new all time low
Sep 18 05:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> 243 :-o
Sep 18 05:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> MWKN: is that kippit.com or klippit.com now?
Sep 18 05:29:58 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Klippr is a meego client for Klippt.com. With http://kippt.com you can ...<<
Sep 18 05:32:05 <DocScrutinizer05> yay, even kippt
Sep 18 05:32:37 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Sep 18 05:33:51 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Klippr - N9 client for link organiser, kippit.com \\  Martin Borho has released a new app, Klippr. Klippr is a meego client for Klippt.com. With http://kippt.com you can organize, archive and search your links. It features also a "Read Later" option, similar to instapaper or others.<<
Sep 18 12:02:33 <kerio> yo deepy
Sep 18 12:02:38 <kerio> deepy: anything new?
Sep 18 12:06:02 <deepy> kerio: not yet, at work atm
Sep 18 12:20:14 <dump_01> Hi ppl! Request to porters: please port this http://zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ application to maemo, it is bash script that uses gpg2, git and tree programs to manage passwords localy and remotely.
Sep 18 12:21:59 <dump_01> It works with a directory containing encripted data files. also syncronisation to remote server can be done with git. Very usefull
Sep 18 12:23:07 <kerio> dump_01: hmm
Sep 18 12:23:15 <kerio> dump_01: have you tried... installing it?
Sep 18 12:24:20 <dump_01> kerio: no but i have no dough i can do it
Sep 18 12:24:43 <kerio> i mean, are the dependencies in the repos already?
Sep 18 12:25:23 <dump_01> kerio: not sure
Sep 18 12:26:18 <dump_01> dependencies are (as i can see): git(core), gpg2 and tree
Sep 18 12:26:49 <kerio> hm
Sep 18 12:26:55 <kerio> git-core is there, gnupg is at 1.4.6
Sep 18 12:26:59 <kerio> tree is ok
Sep 18 12:27:02 <kerio> there's no pwgen and no xclip
Sep 18 12:28:56 <dump_01> xclip is an option
Sep 18 12:36:28 <dump_01> kerio: is it possible as for you?
Sep 18 12:38:08 <kerio> dump_01: not with the deb, sadly
Sep 18 12:38:16 <kerio> unmet deps
Sep 18 12:45:19 <dump_01> strings /dev/urandom | grep -o ':alnum:' | head -n 30 | tr -d '\n'; echo
Sep 18 12:45:26 <dump_01> may be we can replce pwgen with something else? even with `openssl rand -base64 8`
Sep 18 13:32:07 <kerio> fun fact: a 7zipped full mame romset for mame 0.147 weighs 28GB
Sep 18 13:32:24 <kerio> and 28gb fits in a n900
Sep 18 13:32:29 <StyXman> heeh
Sep 18 13:33:01 <kerio> sadly, the CHDs weigh around 250gb, so those won't fit
Sep 18 14:54:22 <kerio> is there a way to get PAN working properly on the n900?
Sep 18 14:55:00 <kerio> having to stand up and *walk* to the shelf with the n900 to turn its wifi on is psychologically painful D:
Sep 18 14:58:34 <Skry> keeps you fit
Sep 18 15:02:04 <kerio> hrmpf, maemo-pan has broken dependencies
Sep 18 15:12:36 <kerio> and pc-connectivity-manager is awfuò
Sep 18 15:12:37 <kerio> awful
Sep 18 15:16:29 <kerio> aaaaand it apparently fucked with my bluetoothd and now it's a "Computer" instead of being a "Smartphone"
Sep 18 15:16:41 <kerio> oh well
Sep 18 15:21:04 <kerio> meh, i'm restoring dat shit
Sep 18 15:40:57 <Pali> Hi, 0xFFFF 0.5 was released
Sep 18 15:41:53 <freemangordon> Pali: why do you rewrite libbmeipc once again?
Sep 18 15:42:08 <freemangordon> what's wrong with my source?
Sep 18 15:42:24 <Pali> freemangordon, problem was that I needed to add more (old) header files
Sep 18 15:42:35 <freemangordon> add where?
Sep 18 15:42:42 <freemangordon> it compiles ok
Sep 18 15:42:55 <freemangordon> and works ok
Sep 18 15:42:57 <Pali> yes, but compilation of some old code (dsme) not working
Sep 18 15:43:18 <Pali> and why using pipes?
Sep 18 15:43:33 <kerio> hi Pali!
Sep 18 15:43:36 <Pali> hi
Sep 18 15:44:06 <freemangordon> Pali: what do you suggest?
Sep 18 15:44:19 <Pali> simple array
Sep 18 15:44:25 <Pali> or one struct
Sep 18 15:44:40 <freemangordon> did you look at how dsme-thermalobject calls libbmeipc
Sep 18 15:44:41 <freemangordon> ?
Sep 18 15:44:46 <kerio> k
Sep 18 15:44:49 <kerio> whoops, wrong window
Sep 18 15:45:11 <Pali> all communication with bme is: send message, read status, read message
Sep 18 15:45:21 <Pali> I looked more at bme protocol
Sep 18 15:45:27 <freemangordon> Pali: I think you got it wring
Sep 18 15:45:39 <freemangordon> pipes are not to communicate with BME
Sep 18 15:45:50 <Pali> yes, it is used for read write in app
Sep 18 15:45:56 <freemangordon> yes
Sep 18 15:45:57 <Pali> but we do not need it
Sep 18 15:46:04 <freemangordon> and we MUST keep that
Sep 18 15:46:22 <freemangordon> because otherwise we have to dig through all of the maemo code
Sep 18 15:46:29 <Pali> one union of return message is enought
Sep 18 15:46:33 <freemangordon> (part of it is not FOSS)
Sep 18 15:46:50 <Pali> all application which using libbmeipc in maemo using bme protocol
Sep 18 15:47:08 <freemangordon> Pali: wrong, dsme-thermalobject-surface sets up gio listener
Sep 18 15:47:41 <freemangordon> and waits for data on that handle (returned from libbmeipc)
Sep 18 15:47:59 <Pali> ok, I will look at it again
Sep 18 15:48:05 <freemangordon> it is async communicatio
Sep 18 15:48:08 <freemangordon> n
Sep 18 15:50:43 <freemangordon> Pali: look at oroginal code, function connect_bme()
Sep 18 15:50:48 <freemangordon> *original
Sep 18 15:51:02 <freemangordon> thermalsensor_battery.c
Sep 18 15:51:05 <Pali> I see now what you mean
Sep 18 15:51:12 <Pali> I will fix it
Sep 18 15:51:30 <Pali> so pipes are really needed
Sep 18 15:51:30 <freemangordon> fix what, code is already there, just add damn missing defines 
Sep 18 15:51:42 <Pali> I will merge your code with my
Sep 18 15:51:52 <freemangordon> thats better :)
Sep 18 15:52:11 <freemangordon> just use my code, and add those headers you think that are missing
Sep 18 15:52:30 <freemangordon> BTW what is missing?
Sep 18 15:52:34 <Pali> ok, I also implemented cookie read/write 
Sep 18 15:52:45 <Pali> (no idea if this is used, by libbmeipc export it)
Sep 18 15:52:48 <freemangordon> ok, but we don't need that
Sep 18 15:52:52 <freemangordon> noone uses it
Sep 18 15:52:56 <Pali> ok
Sep 18 15:53:07 <Pali> what using pulseaudio?
Sep 18 15:53:13 <freemangordon> Pali: trust me on that and use my code
Sep 18 15:53:29 <freemangordon> it spits an error if unimplemented function is called
Sep 18 15:53:42 <freemangordon> PA uses only temperature
Sep 18 15:53:58 <freemangordon> coocies are used by hald-addon-bme :P
Sep 18 15:54:01 <freemangordon> *cookies
Sep 18 15:54:37 <freemangordon> Pali: which defines are missing?
Sep 18 15:54:53 <Pali> see git log
Sep 18 15:54:58 <freemangordon> ok
Sep 18 15:55:00 <Pali> I do not remember now
Sep 18 15:55:28 <freemangordon> link?
Sep 18 15:55:34 <Pali> btw, why dsme (not dsme-theramal...) depends on libbmeipc? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/dsme/0.60.46+0m5/
Sep 18 15:56:00 <Pali> my patched libbmeipc: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme
Sep 18 15:56:50 <Pali> there are 2 branches: master - fixed original nokia code which match n900 bme communication, replacement branch - without bme
Sep 18 15:57:00 <freemangordon> Pali: beside debian/control depends, does it actually call libbmeipc?
Sep 18 15:57:14 <freemangordon> dsme that is
Sep 18 15:57:28 <Pali> ok, so only debian/control has bme line?
Sep 18 15:57:57 <freemangordon> don't know, you tell me. You tried to compile it, ain't?
Sep 18 15:58:19 <Pali> I tried to compile *my* program which using bme library
Sep 18 15:58:31 <Pali> and also dsme-theramal-*
Sep 18 15:59:02 <freemangordon> Pali: but we already agreed we don't need dsme-thermal recompiled
Sep 18 15:59:14 <Pali> ok
Sep 18 15:59:20 <freemangordon> as interface is not changed
Sep 18 15:59:41 <Pali> my first attempt was to compile program for raw/kelvin temperature table
Sep 18 16:00:09 <freemangordon> see, my code is drop-in replacement (libbmeipc), it needs just to read the real temperature
Sep 18 16:00:11 <Pali> and for this I needed to modify original released nokia bmeipc headers
Sep 18 16:00:15 <freemangordon> open/read/close
Sep 18 16:00:20 <freemangordon> thats it
Sep 18 16:00:20 <Pali> ok
Sep 18 16:00:59 <freemangordon> if we need some missing defines in the future, we can easily make -dev package and add the headers
Sep 18 16:01:24 <freemangordon> though I think I have all BME defines in libbmeipc
Sep 18 16:01:27 <Pali> I mean that I needed something which can compile that program for temperature table (so this was reason why I modified nokia libbme code)
Sep 18 16:01:38 <freemangordon> aah, ok
Sep 18 16:02:09 <freemangordon> so, now what :D ?
Sep 18 16:02:36 <freemangordon> do you want to add that missing temp reading?
Sep 18 16:02:46 <Pali> yes, I will add it
Sep 18 16:02:56 <freemangordon> as right now I am trying to find why VKB renderer has a bug
Sep 18 16:03:06 <freemangordon> (OSS replacement)
Sep 18 16:03:07 <freemangordon> ok
Sep 18 16:03:19 <Pali> WTF is testserver? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/testserver/1.1.196+0m5/
Sep 18 16:03:26 <Pali> where it is used?
Sep 18 16:03:37 <Pali> it depends on libbmeipc too
Sep 18 16:05:22 <freemangordon> BME replacement in SB AIUI
Sep 18 16:05:38 <freemangordon> i.e. fake BME
Sep 18 16:06:35 <freemangordon> Pali: I am back to debugging VKB, ping me if I can help with anything
Sep 18 16:07:48 <Pali> ok, I will at libbmeipc in next days... no time now
Sep 18 16:07:58 <freemangordon> ok
Sep 18 16:09:54 <kerio> freemangordon: is there a way to make the VKB only appear in portrait and not in landscape?
Sep 18 17:52:59 <dump_01> kerio: what if someone can port pwgen? it's a perl script, i think it is possible
Sep 18 17:53:20 <kerio> dump_01: you can probably install the .deb for that too
Sep 18 17:54:52 <dump_01> kerio: yes, so whats the problem we face to port password-store? dependencies is not so big deal as i can see
Sep 18 17:55:04 <kerio> again, there's nothing to port
Sep 18 17:56:17 <dump_01> just download, place somewhere and correct paths to dependencies in script?
Sep 18 17:56:37 <kerio> yeah
Sep 18 17:56:49 <dump_01> hm, will try
Sep 18 19:08:52 <kerio> deepy: did you fix your phone?
Sep 18 19:09:28 <deepy> kerio: I didn't dare to open it
Sep 18 19:09:49 <deepy> does that drain the battery?
Sep 18 19:10:03 <deepy> the keyboard part
Sep 18 19:10:28 <kerio> deepy: well, it still turns off everything when you lock the screen
Sep 18 19:10:35 <kerio> but you lose the open-slider-to-unlock
Sep 18 19:10:50 <kerio> btw, protip: double"click" the power button to lock
Sep 18 19:11:03 <deepy> I learned that one by accident :)
Sep 18 19:11:12 <kerio> hah
Sep 18 19:11:15 <kerio> and they say maemo isn't intuitive
Sep 18 19:11:27 <deepy> hngg, server changed IP again
Sep 18 19:11:29 <deepy> why does it do that
Sep 18 19:11:51 <kerio> which server?
Sep 18 19:12:05 <deepy> The one I was supposed to do maintenance on
Sep 18 19:12:11 <deepy> Gotta fix a foolproof vpn
Sep 18 19:12:23 <kerio> ...so it's not really foolproof
Sep 18 19:12:59 <deepy> No I mean I gotta fix one so I can reach it in the future :P
Sep 18 19:14:12 <kerio> yay, cpu at 107°C
Sep 18 19:14:48 <kerio> and os x isn't even making the fans spin as hard as they can, lol
Sep 18 19:24:38 <kerio> deepy: apart from the kbd slider issue?
Sep 18 19:24:41 <kerio> do you like the n900?
Sep 18 19:24:55 <kerio> it's kind of a weird toy to recommend to people
Sep 18 19:25:22 <deepy> the moment I get stuff into dosbox I'm gonna start forgetting my other phone
Sep 18 19:25:38 <kerio> you could've gotten a laptop with DOS on it for much cheaper
Sep 18 19:25:49 <deepy> But that doesn't make phone calls
Sep 18 19:25:54 <kerio> deepy: mind you, the n900 only has a 600mhz CPU
Sep 19 00:04:03 <LaoLang_cool> Is there an app to record a missed call's duration of ringing?
Sep 19 00:10:31 <Skry> LaoLang_cool: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7740
Sep 19 00:10:32 <povbot_> 04Bug 7740: Missing call duration for each call in Phone UI
Sep 19 00:12:12 <LaoLang_cool> Skry, I want missed calls duration, not answered call's duration
Sep 19 00:12:53 <LaoLang_cool> I want to know how long a call that I missed has ringed on n900
Sep 19 00:16:10 <Skry> if there is no call duration in rtcomm-eventlogger i doubt there is one for missed calls
Sep 19 00:16:39 <Skry> cant confirm this though
Sep 19 00:17:10 <Skry> this might be your best bet http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/extcalllog/
Sep 19 00:22:10 <LaoLang_cool> Skry, thank you for the infos
Sep 19 00:25:20 <Skry> np, hopefully someone with more knowledge of maemo internals can tell you more.
Sep 19 01:19:10 <GGon> outlook.com is going to be pretty awesome once ms is done with it
Sep 19 01:50:01 <kakashi_> GGon: and then just like other m$ products, it would be catering to corporations.
Sep 19 01:50:22 <GGon> who cares
Sep 19 01:50:27 <GGon> windows 7 works fine for an end user ;)
Sep 19 01:50:34 <GGon> but outlook.com is great
Sep 19 01:50:48 <GGon> i can honestly say once it is done it will be far better than google based products
Sep 19 01:50:51 <GGon> but they need to finish it
Sep 19 01:51:04 <kakashi_> GGon: wishful thinking :) 
Sep 19 01:51:14 <GGon> realistic thinking ;)
Sep 19 01:52:01 <kakashi_> well, time would do the trick! we need to wait and watch
Sep 19 01:52:50 <kakashi_> but, I wouldn't bet on m$ft so much. It would most certainly be another "bing" experiment! 
Sep 19 01:52:59 * kakashi_ grabs a bong 
Sep 19 01:54:04 <GGon> yah
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