**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 02:59:58 2012 Sep 21 04:07:17 vi__: no it fucking doesn't Sep 21 04:07:21 (re:compcache) Sep 21 05:21:49 yay, python 2.7 ^_________^ Sep 21 05:22:52 FAIL Sep 21 05:22:59 ? Sep 21 05:23:03 2.7 = obsolete Sep 21 05:23:08 3.2 = current Sep 21 05:23:27 W: Unable to locate package python3 Sep 21 05:23:28 W: Unable to locate package python3.2 Sep 21 05:25:21 hm, i wonder if doing alias python=python2.7 is a good idea Sep 21 07:01:20 so how do you turn on front face camera in n900 Sep 21 07:01:40 turn on FOR WHAT? Sep 21 07:02:28 permission to pm kerio Sep 21 07:02:32 fuck off Sep 21 07:03:09 hey be nice Sep 21 07:03:13 you have my permission Sep 21 07:04:27 just turn on front facing camera its there might as well use it Sep 21 07:05:00 skype uses the front camera Sep 21 07:05:07 not sure if there are more apps that use it Sep 21 07:05:26 i could run ekiga and see if it turns the front facing camera Sep 21 07:06:01 i guess Sep 21 07:10:17 let's find on tmo. There is thread that gstreamer can use front camera. I think also camera-ui replacement can use front camer. Sep 21 07:10:50 Unfortunately I don't have the link here. Sep 21 07:11:18 hmm... Sep 21 07:12:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam Sep 21 07:17:20 there is a mirror ap Sep 21 07:17:22 p Sep 21 07:22:35 I've found the camera streaming tools for n900 aren't quite satisfactory Sep 21 07:22:46 for example I haven't found a way to focus the image Sep 21 07:22:53 flux: what do you mean? it's gstreamer! Sep 21 07:24:00 heh, "Image quality depends on hw revision" Sep 21 07:24:12 no it fucking doesn't, camera-ui2 has a much better quality Sep 21 07:24:19 but I haven't tried/known about flumotion, should do that some day Sep 21 09:29:17 mo Sep 21 09:38:31 moooooooooo Sep 21 09:41:26 µ Sep 21 09:41:42 very funny Sep 21 09:42:06 I'm gonna cry unless I get an iphone 5! waaaaaa Sep 21 09:42:10 lmao Sep 21 09:55:40 internetishard: cry babe Sep 21 09:56:35 yoyoyo Sep 21 09:56:46 3am, bright eyed and bushy tailed Sep 21 09:57:01 'YOLO@night' Sep 21 09:57:06 does anyone play FTL? i need to brag about something Sep 21 09:57:41 q3 here. yo' shits obscure Sep 21 10:03:05 @######---D### Sep 21 10:04:31 ##physics enjoys discussion of FTL Sep 21 10:04:41 ( not really ) Sep 21 10:07:34 SpeedEvil: wtf is that? Sep 21 10:07:38 dragon breathing in a corridor? Sep 21 10:08:10 SpeedEvil: what do you consider your speciality? Sep 21 10:10:24 hardware/firmware, and disability regulations in the UK, specifically regulations, law and case law around employment and support allowance and disability living allowance. Sep 21 10:10:52 * SpeedEvil ponders judicial review again. Sep 21 10:11:04 I take it you're disabled? Sep 21 10:13:09 unfortunately. Sep 21 10:13:28 :( Sep 21 10:23:44 SpeedEvil: in case you are in a wheelchair, do a lot of people also approach you as if you are mentally disabled? Sep 21 10:23:48 just because you are in a wheelchair? Sep 21 10:23:58 I have that with a friend of mine who lost his legs in an accident Sep 21 10:24:03 I am not. Sep 21 10:24:07 Sometimes his reactions to such people are quite amusing Sep 21 10:24:09 SpeedEvil: ah Sep 21 10:24:56 I wonder if its bad to feel curisoity regarding the kind of disability you have Sep 21 10:25:01 I'm in the position I envy those that are in some ways. I look fit. I would have my legs cut off tomorrow if it would cure my chronic fatigue syndrome, Sep 21 10:25:05 somewhere somehow it feels wrong to be curious Sep 21 10:25:14 ah Sep 21 10:25:16 Pfeiffer? Sep 21 10:25:22 or worse Sep 21 10:26:07 My wife had pfeiffer as a child, a friend of hers suffers from ME Sep 21 10:26:33 especially the case of ME is pretty gruesome now and then, considering the fact that she looks fine physicallyt Sep 21 10:26:47 much like you :| Sep 21 10:27:18 it was likely triggered by some routine childhood virus. Sep 21 10:27:30 how is it called Sep 21 10:27:39 just chronic fatigue syndrome? Sep 21 10:27:44 glandular fever Sep 21 10:27:50 what glands? Sep 21 10:28:08 which is better english Sep 21 10:28:13 I do biology Sep 21 10:28:18 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209476 don't forget this Sep 21 10:28:19 ME is an alternate name for CFS Sep 21 10:28:26 SpeedEvil: yeah, thats why i asked Sep 21 10:28:32 sometimes there is confusing about the naming Sep 21 10:28:39 I thought i might be wrong/confused Sep 21 10:28:59 That's a pretty nasty disability :\ Sep 21 10:29:08 it varies. Sep 21 10:29:09 a wall of misunderstanding Sep 21 10:29:20 some are able to work fulltime. Sep 21 10:29:24 Have you also tried acupuncture? Sep 21 10:29:41 SpeedEvil: yes, it can vary greatly Sep 21 10:29:54 Does it detiorate? Sep 21 10:30:08 deteriorate whatever damn english Sep 21 10:30:11 I have severe problems getting out, due to no legally operable car, and taxis being murderously expensive. Sep 21 10:30:25 NHS doesnt provide transport? Sep 21 10:30:30 my condition is at the moment stable. Sep 21 10:30:32 as in, the money for it Sep 21 10:30:45 good to hear Sep 21 10:30:54 it's reliant on doctor referrals. Sep 21 10:31:08 i still somehow feel like a voyeur, talking about it with you on irc Sep 21 10:31:12 ah Sep 21 10:31:22 so i take it your referrals arent 'good enough' for it Sep 21 10:31:26 much the same situation as in NL Sep 21 10:32:16 and electric vehicles? Sep 21 10:32:32 like an electric powered bicycle, or threewheel bicycle? Sep 21 10:32:55 I've been over the last 6 weeks preparing a 30 or so page document going into various case law, and my disability in detail. irc is easy. Sep 21 10:33:08 friend of my wife's has a three wheeled bycicle normally used by people with motoric disabilities Sep 21 10:33:11 SpeedEvil: hah:D Sep 21 10:33:19 only her's is electrically powered Sep 21 10:33:36 she can, if she wants, also move herself, but the electric engine always backs her up Sep 21 10:33:36 they are so ridiculously slow that they are unsuitable for getting to tow. Sep 21 10:33:39 it works quite well Sep 21 10:33:45 town Sep 21 10:33:46 what? her's is fine Sep 21 10:33:56 she can easily go 25km/h Sep 21 10:34:23 they cannot legally go over 15km/h iirc Sep 21 10:34:29 in NL they can Sep 21 10:34:36 but 15km/h is pretty meh indeed Sep 21 10:34:43 this is very unsuitable for country lanes. Sep 21 10:34:46 you really need three wheels then Sep 21 10:34:50 or else you just fall Sep 21 10:34:58 yeah, i know UK country lanes:) Sep 21 10:35:08 up and down winding roads, i love them Sep 21 10:35:36 hmm, so its the 15km/h max that ruins it all Sep 21 10:35:41 'invalid carriage' is a separate and very limited class of vehicle. Sep 21 10:35:43 who would have thought :< Sep 21 10:35:51 here its just treated as a bicucle Sep 21 10:35:57 bicycle* at least in her case it is Sep 21 10:36:14 since its just a bicycle to begin with, not an 'invalid carriage' Sep 21 10:36:15 problem is failing driving test due to failing concentration 30 main in. Sep 21 10:36:22 hm Sep 21 10:36:43 gotta love the law Sep 21 10:36:51 minutes Sep 21 10:37:01 i figured the typo:) Sep 21 10:37:28 well, that makes your situation pretty fucked up, to put it mildly Sep 21 10:37:37 I need to find out how to feed this vkbd 20m of IEC logs from me. Sep 21 10:37:43 irc Sep 21 10:37:47 hah Sep 21 10:37:55 no idea Sep 21 10:39:39 oh, the protocol surrounding ME with the NL equivalent of the NHS isnt all that either Sep 21 10:39:42 i read now Sep 21 10:42:37 problem is it's so variable. it ranges from people able to do fulltime work, and run a family, down to the bed-bound. Sep 21 10:43:04 that's what critics in NL apparently say about the approach that our NHS takes to CVS/ME Sep 21 10:44:05 a narrow view Sep 21 10:44:17 or in quake terms, a low FOV :) Sep 21 10:46:57 it's hard to assess right, without someone spending a couple of weeks watching you. Sep 21 10:55:53 we are polling everything and vote just BS! sd registered NFP named "hildon"... Sep 21 10:57:19 just a name though Sep 21 11:01:30 NHS is fucked. Sep 21 11:01:42 Tories sold off the good shit last time round. Sep 21 11:01:51 Now they are up for selling off the rest. Sep 21 11:02:12 But you have free healthcare vi_ Sep 21 11:02:14 ! Sep 21 11:02:33 Then why do I have to pay for goddamned dental work? Sep 21 11:03:06 WHy do I have to pay to extend the lives of fat useless smokers? Sep 21 11:03:32 What are we complaining about here? Sep 21 11:08:00 I'm not fat!!! Sep 21 11:08:41 useless mabe, but definitely not fat Sep 21 11:08:50 baybe* Sep 21 11:08:53 meh Sep 21 11:15:02 vi__: isn't like a packet of cigs is ~10GBP at yours? what do you think the 9GBP tax in it will pay for? To me it seems the smokers pay for you, not other way round Sep 21 11:16:51 smokers pay billions of tax each year, and die conveniently early so all the tax can be used for the non-smokers Sep 21 11:17:47 smoker-haters, BAH! Sep 21 11:21:10 ~ping Sep 21 11:21:10 ~pong Sep 21 11:21:54 DocScrutinizer51: like a forest? :D You'll win the olympic games :D Sep 21 11:22:18 hmm? Sep 21 11:22:56 luf: sory, please rephrase Sep 21 11:23:27 DocScrutinizer51: you play ping + pong with the wall or the bot like Forest Gump ;) Sep 21 11:23:39 aah Sep 21 11:24:04 Statistics for Finland from the Finnish Medical Association (I don't guarantee the quality of these) say that the yearly losses (direct health costs, loss of work, etc.) to "society" due to smoking are about 750-800 million euros, while the tax gained from sales of tobacco products is (very) slightly less than that. Sep 21 11:24:13 let's ring some bells Sep 21 11:24:19 ~ding Sep 21 11:24:20 dong Sep 21 11:26:45 while that might be true for Finland, it for sure doesn't apply to countries like Germany or GB, where NHC is fuckedup Sep 21 11:29:27 and actually I won't allow them to count in 'loss of work' costs. It's *MY* work, I own it and I get (or not) paid for it, that's nothing to do with cost to society since my wok isn't owned by society Sep 21 12:47:28 DocScrutinizer51: sup Sep 21 12:47:41 DocScrutinizer51: are u running for council/board? Sep 21 12:48:27 omgomgomgomg :-P Sep 21 12:49:04 DOCSCRUTINIZER/FREEMANGORDON 2012 Sep 21 12:49:45 WUT? Sep 21 12:50:11 like, yknow, elections Sep 21 12:50:36 don't dare to post a link, I'm mobile Sep 21 12:51:17 just tell me what you're suggesting Sep 21 12:53:01 don't tell me FMG found time for council/board work in his calendar crammed with kernel hacking Sep 21 12:53:09 haha Sep 21 12:53:12 he should! Sep 21 12:54:19 since if he did, I'd probably run as well, to show him I can perform similarly poor Sep 21 12:54:31 omfg Sep 21 12:54:49 i vote DocScrutinizer as our eternal leader Sep 21 12:55:08 honestly, I think that's a poor idea Sep 21 12:55:24 kerio: don't spread FUD please Sep 21 12:55:42 and neither council nor board are Leaders by any means Sep 21 12:56:15 both are meant to provide a sort of service to community Sep 21 12:56:21 not *lead* Sep 21 12:56:45 afk, daywork calling Sep 21 12:59:30 my rpi's arrived it is just behind my neighboor wall Sep 21 13:13:32 rzr: don't have any demolition tools around? Sep 21 14:18:19 hello everybody!need advice!i repartitioned emmc,got 14Gb fat,12Gb ext3 2Gb factory default emmc part and 700~Mb of swap Sep 21 14:18:54 i willing to move everything from factory part to 12Gb partition Sep 21 14:18:58 used rsync Sep 21 14:19:24 how to mount 12Gb new part as /home/opt? Sep 21 14:19:54 patching vanilla kernel is not an option,since it is too dangerous Sep 21 14:20:06 sorry vanilla fs Sep 21 14:20:30 thank you so much Sep 21 14:20:46 "patching" Sep 21 14:20:48 what? Sep 21 14:21:03 go edit the place where /home/opt is bindmounted to /opt Sep 21 14:21:09 instead of doing that, mount your partition as /opt Sep 21 14:22:20 it is a factory default phone and I'am an intermediate user,so could you tell me more details? Sep 21 14:22:37 where is this file to edit? Sep 21 14:24:37 zsolt: edit the awk script that generates /etc/fstab Sep 21 14:24:49 /opt is mounted with "mount /opt" Sep 21 14:25:48 zsolt: /usr/lib/genfstab.awk Sep 21 14:27:43 well,I can't find any partition number Sep 21 14:28:06 i need to use mmcblk0p4 instead of mmcblk0p2 Sep 21 14:28:15 zsolt: oh god why Sep 21 14:28:27 so you actually moved the /home partition? :s Sep 21 14:28:32 you're screwed Sep 21 14:28:35 no Sep 21 14:28:38 didn't Sep 21 14:29:03 oh, you just added a new partition at the end? Sep 21 14:29:04 just rsynced to a new partition Sep 21 14:29:05 neat Sep 21 14:29:30 still kind of a bad idea, most things will expect /opt to be a bindmount to /home/opt Sep 21 14:29:49 i know,but 2gigs are too small Sep 21 14:29:58 but regardless, just change that line to "/dev/mmcblk0p4 /opt extwhatever whateveroptions 0 0" Sep 21 14:30:15 (the line that says printf "/home/opt /opt/ none bind\n" Sep 21 14:31:02 that's sounds great:) Sep 21 14:31:07 thank you Sep 21 14:31:21 zsolt: a much, much, much more reliable solution would've been to make /home bigger Sep 21 14:32:28 i need a separate /opt partition Sep 21 14:32:33 no you don't Sep 21 14:32:43 unless you want to keep /home small, for some reason Sep 21 14:34:05 is there? Sep 21 14:34:40 hell, just /home in a separate partition forces maemo to do all kind of weird shit Sep 21 14:34:49 adding another is even weirder Sep 21 14:35:29 :( Sep 21 14:35:46 zsolt: do you have a backupmenu backup? Sep 21 14:35:51 i trying to keep original part untouched Sep 21 14:35:59 yes,i have Sep 21 14:36:07 no i'm in usb ssh Sep 21 14:36:15 then you could do in a really cool way Sep 21 14:42:06 there's a file in the VANILLA image that decides the partition layout Sep 21 14:45:18 yes,i know Sep 21 14:45:56 reflash, install previous kernel, install backupmenu, restore backupmenu backup Sep 21 14:46:34 i patched the latest vanilla image Sep 21 14:47:02 but I'm not so curious to flash it Sep 21 14:52:27 ok,now got a that awk file Sep 21 14:52:56 seems it doesn't regenerates the fstab only if I change something there Sep 21 15:08:28 zsolt: it's generated on boot Sep 21 15:09:15 what about /etc/event.d/rcS-late? Sep 21 15:09:29 googled a lot Sep 21 15:09:59 but didn't find any solution Sep 21 15:10:23 which "solution"? Sep 21 15:10:29 /etc/fstab is generated every boot Sep 21 15:10:38 on your next boot, you'll get your modified fstab Sep 21 15:10:50 if you want to change it now... change it Sep 21 15:10:52 it's a text file Sep 21 15:11:07 or just remove the call to the generator and live with a user managed fstab :) Sep 21 15:12:11 where can i remove that call? Sep 21 15:15:48 zsolt: it's a file in /etc/event.d afaik Sep 21 15:16:52 thank you Sep 21 15:17:52 "This file was generated by scripts /etc/event.d/rcS-late and /usr/lib/genfstab.awk" Sep 21 15:18:04 zsolt: seriously, you're doing something stupid with this Sep 21 15:19:05 StyXman: do you have a manual /etc/fstab? Sep 21 15:22:30 lol Sep 21 15:22:51 you kids seem to have some fun :-) Sep 21 15:25:02 while I waste my daytime to figure how to make WinXP taskmgr start on every boot Sep 21 15:25:54 anyway Sep 21 15:26:00 ~jrtools Sep 21 15:26:00 well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 21 15:30:09 kerio: used to Sep 21 15:31:04 StyXman: why did you stop? Sep 21 15:32:23 i did it,i did it:) Sep 21 15:32:26 kerio: at the end it made no sense having a µSD in ext* Sep 21 15:33:13 beh, I still have it Sep 21 15:33:14 uncommented lines and printf options >/etc/fstab Sep 21 15:38:58 I honestly hope for you you'll survive next boot Sep 21 15:39:10 DocScrutinizer51: err, add a shortcut to Taskmgr.exe to the Startup folder? :P Sep 21 15:39:25 sounds like a boring day Sep 21 15:39:25 rrrright Sep 21 15:39:35 lol Sep 21 15:39:57 just have to use torturing memories of c:\windows\system32\ Sep 21 15:40:18 well, sounds a lot like my job too anyway :P Sep 21 15:41:03 since, well, seems taskmgr has no 'icon' anywhere Sep 21 15:43:00 and my fist approach been to create a shortcut on desktop just to drag&drop it inot the autostart menu, just to find this creates a link to the desktop "icon2 I planned to delete after the action Sep 21 15:43:21 first* "icon" Sep 21 15:44:07 and still it seems the taskmgr option "minimize ob start" is defunct Sep 21 15:44:56 silly stuff Sep 21 15:45:34 DocScrutinizer05: how is it related to maemo? Sep 21 15:46:12 luckily not at all, besides this nonsense doesn't allow me to dedicate more time to maemo/council/board Sep 21 15:46:37 and drives me nuts anyway Sep 21 16:02:43 i wonder if there's a way to open a fifo with openmediaplayer Sep 21 16:02:48 (as a stream, obviously) Sep 21 16:03:45 both are meant to provide a sort of service to community Sep 21 16:03:53 Just won my vote.... Just saying... Sep 21 16:04:54 yep Sep 21 16:05:26 joerg for president! Sep 21 16:07:39 If you're crazy enough to vote a president who's constantly grumpy, lacks any social skills, and promises to dedicate no more than max 2h/week to that job, then go ahead ;-P Sep 21 16:08:00 DocScrutinizer05: oh... that's it? Sep 21 16:08:12 everyone knows that you're always here anyway Sep 21 16:08:19 DocScrutinizer05: A, you can rightclick->drag the icon to the startup folder and choose copy instead of link Sep 21 16:08:34 second, you could open the startup folder in explorer and create the shortcut there directly Sep 21 16:08:47 rrright Sep 21 16:09:03 third, taskmgr DOES have an "icon", in that you can browse to it and right click->drag it to the startup folder too Sep 21 16:09:06 if it wasn't friggin windows, I probably would've known Sep 21 16:10:07 (drag to start folder) would seem it creates a copy of the binary Sep 21 16:10:14 right click drag Sep 21 16:10:17 not left click drah Sep 21 16:10:20 *drag Sep 21 16:10:28 right click drag always gives you a menu with you drop Sep 21 16:10:31 DocScrutinizer05: grumpy & lacks social skills? I can think of at least 2 of those elected the last cycle. ;) Sep 21 16:10:32 with options Sep 21 16:10:41 OOOH mighty mytserious magic ;-P Sep 21 16:11:03 the left click drag default is usually dumb :P Sep 21 16:11:20 copy when you want move, link when you want copy, move when you want link, etc Sep 21 16:11:28 just don't do it :P Sep 21 16:11:30 well, I use shift and ctrl modifier keys Sep 21 16:11:47 well then, ALT is "link" Sep 21 16:11:59 rm_work: actually, it's pretty predictable. copy when on the same media, move when not, and link when going to a "special folder" (desktop, start menu, etc) Sep 21 16:12:02 but yeah, seems sometimes it doesn't do what i'd expect it to Sep 21 16:12:03 in the same way that ctl/shift are copy/move Sep 21 16:12:14 Woody14619: well, yes, *I* know that Sep 21 16:12:24 but from the perspective of a normal user it is pretty random Sep 21 16:12:29 True Sep 21 16:13:09 DocScrutinizer05: anyway, you got it now? :P Sep 21 16:13:14 sure Sep 21 16:13:30 just annoyed me another 10 min of my life Sep 21 16:13:35 this afternoon Sep 21 16:13:47 would have helped earlier but i thought you were being sarcastic about it :/ Sep 21 16:13:58 the perils of text on the internet Sep 21 16:14:02 and taskmgr still come up with full window, not in systray Sep 21 16:14:07 heh Sep 21 16:14:42 you want it to start minimized with "hide on minimize" option set? Sep 21 16:14:51 yep Sep 21 16:15:49 go to the shortcut for taskmgr you made, and go to properties Sep 21 16:16:10 (I would even prefer it to not be closeable at all by 'normal' means. I.E. closing the window just minimizes, or alternatively no [X] close button at upper right at all) Sep 21 16:16:22 that's... harder Sep 21 16:16:47 I think I managed that once, like 12 years ago Sep 21 16:16:47 anyway, on the "shortcut" tab, just change the dropdown for "run" from normal to minimized Sep 21 16:17:04 and once you set the option for "hide when minimized" once, it'll stay Sep 21 16:17:06 HEY, mille gracie! Sep 21 16:18:31 DocScrutinizer05: the SECOND option on this page would be easier to roll out en-mass: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/permanently-add-the-task-manager-to-your-system-tray/5318594 Sep 21 16:18:41 just make a registry file and run it on every machine, done Sep 21 16:19:04 nice Sep 21 16:19:21 you know how to make a registry file? Sep 21 16:19:40 not sure if you're used to working with windows >_> Sep 21 16:19:50 sorry if i'm vastly underestimating your skill level :P Sep 21 16:20:17 but sometimes with linux stuff people used to tell me "obviously you just need to make a startup script for this daemon" and i'd be like "WUT" Sep 21 16:23:20 sure Sep 21 16:23:41 I know regedit Sep 21 16:24:16 but I won't need a .reg file right now for that, as it's only for my fsckng machine at job Sep 21 16:24:27 rm_work: thanks a lot :-) Sep 21 16:24:27 lol Sep 21 16:24:31 yeah np :P Sep 21 16:26:01 I'm totally lost with windows, last time had one installed was xp when it was released, for few months. Sep 21 16:27:16 last time I seriously touched those windows abominations been last century. since then I managed to mostly avid management of any such machine. Alas in industry you usually aren't admin of your own workstation, and you have to use what the company puts in front of you Sep 21 16:27:45 avoid* Sep 21 16:28:37 FFS, useless omron Sep 21 16:28:43 i've had VSD blow up today Sep 21 16:29:01 not here Sep 21 16:30:10 vsd? Sep 21 16:35:10 should have paid more attention at school when we had C, I'm mentally so limited that I just cant get into that shit :S Sep 21 16:35:28 I use Windows and Linux about equally Sep 21 16:36:05 I worked for quite a bit both before and during college as a windows repair guy Sep 21 16:37:13 it's just a specific design mindset Sep 21 16:37:33 dunno why i'm rambling useless info Sep 21 16:37:37 * rm_work goes to lunch Sep 21 16:46:07 Pali: can I bug you some more about the charger driver? Sep 21 16:46:25 yes Sep 21 16:46:56 I'll query you Sep 21 16:50:16 I fixed mine Sep 21 16:56:15 Skry: but i'm interested too :( Sep 21 16:58:20 kerio: what do you want to know? Sep 21 16:58:30 stuffs Sep 21 16:58:46 stuffs about what? :D Sep 21 17:00:31 the charger driver Sep 21 17:00:37 and the bme replacement Sep 21 17:06:06 kerio: charger driver works, you really should already be thanking Pali Sep 21 17:07:08 kerio, bq2415x_charger already working in kernel-power Sep 21 17:07:34 but Skry testing it with upstream kernel Sep 21 17:07:47 neat Sep 21 17:32:55 alright, i just sold my soul to the devil Sep 21 17:32:56 metaphorically Sep 21 17:33:02 i installed a whatsapp client D: Sep 21 18:18:56 ~broken-maemo Sep 21 18:18:56 broken-maemo is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/known_broken_packages see this list for deprecated known borked packages Sep 21 18:30:52 kerio: sure metaphorically. No sane devil would pay for your soul ;-P Sep 21 18:40:45 Don't listen to him, I'd pay even if it was just slightly discounted Sep 21 18:40:54 yeah im on win7 now i get so confused Sep 21 18:41:04 but ive been having to use it more and more for class Sep 21 19:59:55 hi ppl! Please help me to locate sound profile configuration files on my n900. I want to copy General profile and create another one w/ different volume settings. Yes, i can create new profile w/ ProfilesX, but it will be completely new profile, but i want to copy General and edit some variables. Thanks in advance. Sep 21 20:00:23 some piece of shit has registered my nickname! Sep 21 20:00:44 you should have registered first Sep 21 20:01:09 merlin1991: ping! Sep 21 20:02:34 hello Sep 21 20:03:20 mmc fails to sync after mass storage mode. Add sync to the end of osso-usb-mass-storage-disable for maximum win. Sep 21 20:03:23 Helloer: Sep 21 20:03:29 n900_: hello Sep 21 20:14:56 what the default location of downloads in maemo n900 the pwd for it Sep 21 20:16:15 vi___: "fails to sync"? Sep 21 20:26:35 so, where to search for profile configuration on n900? Sep 21 20:46:06 how expensive is jabber, in term of data and thus battery drain? Sep 21 20:48:11 less that skype Sep 21 20:49:21 kerio: jabber==feck all. Sep 21 20:49:31 rzr: it's also less expensive than folding@home, i assume Sep 21 20:49:35 it's not really helpful Sep 21 20:49:44 one can only assume skype is riddled with spy-spam. Sep 21 20:49:53 it's like saying an algorithm is O(busybeaver(n)) Sep 21 20:50:19 kerio: a lot Sep 21 20:50:27 jacekowski: even on wifi? Sep 21 20:50:28 dump_01: why can't you just copy it manually? it is only a few parameters. Sep 21 20:50:30 :( Sep 21 20:50:32 kerio: even more on wifi Sep 21 20:50:36 ...wait, what? Sep 21 20:50:53 it's better to have it on 2g with wifi off Sep 21 20:50:57 jacekowski: I think kt is slightly less that a lot. I think it is 'qute a bit'. Sep 21 20:51:18 vi___: i can, and i think i will do Sep 21 20:51:29 jacekowski: hold on, why would jabber on gprs be cheaper than jabber on wifi? Sep 21 20:51:34 wifi has powersaving Sep 21 20:52:00 have you ever seen that powersaving working? Sep 21 20:52:22 lol. powersaving. Sep 21 20:52:48 wifi uses plenty of power compared to idling 2g Sep 21 20:53:06 and with wifi on you still have 2g/3g running Sep 21 20:54:55 what is your profession jacekowski ? Sep 21 20:55:05 why do you ask? Sep 21 20:55:26 Just curious. Sep 21 20:55:42 at the moment, it seems to be blowing up VSDs Sep 21 20:55:56 ~VSD Sep 21 20:56:14 * ShadowJK gets about same power consumption with xchat on 2g as on wifi. My old accesspoint caused about double power consumption on wifi, but only when windows PCs were active on the LAN Sep 21 20:56:43 this will make you laugh. Sep 21 20:57:21 My boos says today, I want you to toughen up the serial port control of our sensor. Sep 21 20:57:44 there is some bug that causes it to freak out and delete whole pages of flash. Sep 21 20:57:56 holy shit I say, that is serious. Sep 21 20:58:29 apparently it is because there is garbage on the line. Sep 21 20:58:47 wrap it in ferrite I suggest. Sep 21 20:59:26 No he says, the garbage comes from the software communicating with the device. Sep 21 20:59:47 where does that software come from I asked. Sep 21 20:59:54 He says it is in house. Sep 21 21:00:05 wut. Sep 21 21:00:48 Be graceful about the input, and strict about your output? Or something like that Sep 21 21:01:09 Our in house software spams the serial port with garbage and that cuases our products to go nuts and you want to try to resolve the problem by dicking with the firmware? Sep 21 21:01:23 in house, but closed source? closed source as there is noone to maintain it. Sep 21 21:01:38 no no. in house. Sep 21 21:01:46 written in house. Sep 21 21:01:52 by fucking retards. Sep 21 21:01:54 yes, I understand that Sep 21 21:02:18 how do you even do that Sep 21 21:02:23 jacekowski: i get about 10mA on wifi with no traffic in and out Sep 21 21:02:32 so yeah, i'm fairly certain i've got wifi powersaving working Sep 21 21:02:54 vi__: my point was that if there is noone who knows how it works, it could be closed source as well :) Sep 21 21:02:57 10mA is down in the range where measurement method makes a difference Sep 21 21:03:12 our in house software is written in pascal. Sep 21 21:03:15 ShadowJK: bq27200.sh Sep 21 21:03:16 best thing to do would be to compare battery level after few hours Sep 21 21:03:24 :D Sep 21 21:03:25 we have ALL the source code. Sep 21 21:03:39 jacekowski: that's assuming i can last a few hours without playing with my n900 Sep 21 21:03:48 kerio; yes but I mean with a 5s interval it'll take offline N900 up to 10mA even Sep 21 21:03:49 nighttime? Sep 21 21:04:10 vi__: do you have pascal developers? Sep 21 21:04:29 vi___: how do you spam serial port with shit Sep 21 21:04:33 not spamming the serial port with horse shit seems like a pretty simple requirement for a programused to send stuff over a serial port. Sep 21 21:04:44 pascal was outdated for how many? 15 years? Sep 21 21:04:52 freemangordon: 0 Sep 21 21:04:57 freemangordon: our in house programmers use pascal. Sep 21 21:05:06 freemangordon: there is nothing wrong with pascal Sep 21 21:05:10 Not acting on horeshit seems like a simple req too :) Sep 21 21:05:17 who said there is something wrong? Sep 21 21:05:20 jacekowski: there is nothing wrong with fortran. Sep 21 21:05:28 freemangordon: and i would take object pascal over C++ any day Sep 21 21:05:28 and cobol too Sep 21 21:05:41 delphi? Sep 21 21:05:45 yeah Sep 21 21:06:03 ShadowJK: I did not write this abomination of firmware, I just have to fix it. Sep 21 21:06:07 it is (was) good Sep 21 21:06:08 more i deal with C++ and it's way of doing OOP by linking all disadvantage of C and OOP in single language Sep 21 21:06:30 the more i realise how good object pascal is Sep 21 21:06:35 unfortunately borland died Sep 21 21:06:55 though I was using cbuilder (because of the language) Sep 21 21:06:57 C++ is not an OOP language, so I do not see what you are complaining about Sep 21 21:07:01 * vi___ loves some turbo C Sep 21 21:07:05 it is C with objects Sep 21 21:07:23 where "object" = "structure with data and some function pointers" Sep 21 21:07:31 and overloading that makes 2+2==5 true Sep 21 21:07:45 and debugging complicated Sep 21 21:07:56 they have major bits of processing within interrupt service routines... Sep 21 21:08:25 vi__: what os is that running, DOS 3.30? Sep 21 21:08:45 lol Sep 21 21:08:47 none Sep 21 21:08:54 it is an embedded system. Sep 21 21:09:02 the software in question, not the firmware Sep 21 21:09:17 hah. Sep 21 21:09:25 and then for strings in C++ you get std string and C type char Sep 21 21:09:32 both doing exactly same thing in the end Sep 21 21:09:34 xp I think. Sep 21 21:09:36 but not exactly compatible Sep 21 21:10:04 jacekowski: you're mixing things, those are libraries, not a part of the language itself Sep 21 21:10:31 std:: Sep 21 21:11:17 c++, the indecidable language Sep 21 21:11:23 freemangordon: part of the standard Sep 21 21:11:29 freemangordon: therefore part of the language Sep 21 21:11:48 like libc part of c? Sep 21 21:11:59 exactly Sep 21 21:12:53 jacekowski: you may use C/C++ to write whatever piece of code, vi__'s firmware for example Sep 21 21:13:06 without using any "standarts" Sep 21 21:13:15 c/c++ != posix Sep 21 21:13:22 AFAIK Sep 21 21:13:32 nobody said posix Sep 21 21:13:43 ok, that was just an example Sep 21 21:15:11 my co-workers use it to program embedded devices using vendor's libs, which are missing basic "ordinary" functions. But they still use C/C++ Sep 21 21:15:37 overloading is part of C++ itself Sep 21 21:15:43 yes, it is Sep 21 21:15:58 and every time i see that i know it's going to be painful to debug Sep 21 21:16:31 and worse thing is, that you never know what a+b will do Sep 21 21:17:04 again, this is not part of C, but from the library you link with Sep 21 21:17:41 you may end up with code like that a=2;b=2;c=a+b; and c would = 5 in the end Sep 21 21:17:55 so? Sep 21 21:18:15 I don;t want my compiler to restrict me in what I am doing Sep 21 21:19:38 freemangordon: you deserve the worst Sep 21 21:20:09 kerio: and you deserve no new bb-power-thumb ;) Sep 21 21:20:35 :'( Sep 21 21:20:44 MOAR THUMB. Sep 21 21:20:50 WE REQUIRE MOAR THUMB Sep 21 21:21:24 THIS THUMB YOU SPEAK OF, IT IS VERY MUCH RELEVENT TO MY INTERESTS IN THUMB. Sep 21 21:21:50 kerio: no more thumb for you , only other fingers :P Sep 21 21:22:02 ...the ring finger? Sep 21 21:22:16 guess Sep 21 21:22:39 the pinky! Sep 21 21:22:47 I wish there was a thumb debian branch. That would be sweeeeeet. Sep 21 21:23:03 vi__: ubuntu 12.04 is thumb Sep 21 21:23:18 ZOMFG. Sep 21 21:23:26 thumb+hardfp Sep 21 21:23:32 Does it come as strait up debian? Sep 21 21:23:40 thumb+hardfp. Sep 21 21:24:07 wait, we use softfp? Sep 21 21:24:09 :o Sep 21 21:24:10 can thumb kernel even hardfp in chroot? Sep 21 21:24:20 afaik no Sep 21 21:24:25 lame. Sep 21 21:24:33 though... Sep 21 21:24:38 ... Sep 21 21:25:09 i might be wrong, as maybe it is libc who deals with that stuff, not kernel Sep 21 21:25:24 I have lierally NFC. Sep 21 21:25:31 me too :D Sep 21 21:25:42 those are just wild guesses Sep 21 21:25:47 near field comm Sep 21 21:25:47 I just know HFP+thumb==MOAR BETTER. Sep 21 21:26:15 did you see some guy compiled latest nmap. Sep 21 21:26:28 isn't it in repos? Sep 21 21:26:33 it now works. Sep 21 21:26:47 anyway, I am going to have some sleep Sep 21 21:26:51 night Sep 21 21:26:56 version 5.ARSE is in the repos, totally broken. Sep 21 21:26:58 bb Sep 21 21:27:05 he compiled 6 Sep 21 21:27:22 and flash 10! Sep 21 21:27:33 N900 is not beaten yet! Sep 21 21:27:45 although I want to know who found it. Sep 21 21:27:55 Il wager it was merlin1991 Sep 21 21:29:20 vi___: link to nmap 6? Sep 21 21:29:34 Aww.. vi___ You do know, "I'm saving my thumbs for you!" Right? ;) Sep 21 21:29:55 Opps, my bad. "I'm saving my thumbs for You!" There.. much better. ;) Sep 21 21:30:00 * vi___ is mildly aroused. Sep 21 21:30:39 If you got the reference, I doubt you would be. ;) Sep 21 21:31:03 kerio: it is on his server somewhere. Sep 21 21:31:10 whose server? Sep 21 21:31:20 Woody14619: ...or maybe i do! Sep 21 21:31:34 kerio: cannot remember. Sep 21 21:31:43 kerio: I have the deb. Sep 21 21:32:05 Do You? Do You really? I don't know if You know who I'm talking about. ;) Sep 21 21:32:26 Anyway... off to play games... err.. I mean.. Test CC apps to find out who I want to vote for. :) Sep 21 21:32:34 ok. I have no idea. Sep 21 21:32:44 hah. Sep 21 21:33:09 Clearly it's he who must not be named (or enter the room, as he's been kick/banned). Sep 21 21:33:25 softfp kernel works fine with hardfp userland. Sep 21 21:33:35 Anyway. Enjoy, and will see you all Monday... Sep 21 21:33:49 Also, don't forget, only one more week to nominate yourself (and others) to Council and/or the Board. Sep 21 21:33:50 have a good weekend mate. Sep 21 21:34:15 (Yes, that's going on right now... only 2 nominations so far...) Sep 21 21:34:45 Woody14619: is E* one of them? Sep 21 21:34:55 mm I need to see the logs Sep 21 21:35:20 why this happened and I didn't notice it D: Sep 21 21:35:28 kerio: I will never tell You! ;) Sep 21 21:35:50 Woody14619: it would be a nice excuse to force DocScrutinizer to nominate himself Sep 21 21:36:07 kerio: http://spoofy.webd.pl/pwniephone/download/nmap_6.01-1_armel.deb Sep 21 21:36:17 Lol... don't tempt me. ;) Sep 21 21:36:21 F U Sep 21 21:36:30 DocScrutinizer05: <3 Sep 21 21:36:32 LOL! :) Sep 21 21:36:36 dunno if it is optmised Sep 21 21:36:45 vi___: 404 here Sep 21 21:36:57 I have most of the directory symlinked anyway Sep 21 21:37:02 Anyway, have a good weekend! C'ya! Sep 21 21:37:02 if we vote for him he will be obligated to accept Sep 21 21:37:11 bigotes: of course Sep 21 21:37:16 it's like the army Sep 21 21:37:22 that's democracy right there Sep 21 21:37:28 but people can enlist other people Sep 21 21:38:20 fuck knows then Sep 21 21:38:29 his name was spoofy. Sep 21 21:39:12 I have the deb if you can think of an easy way to get it to you that requires little to no effort on mhy part. Sep 21 21:39:42 gtg Sep 21 21:39:43 bb Sep 21 21:39:47 :q Sep 21 21:39:50  Sep 21 21:42:13 vi__: dropbox? Sep 21 21:42:14 idk Sep 21 22:09:33 "Anyway those are Qt standard QTextInput fields, I have no control of that. That would be a Qt problem, not a Yappari problem." Sep 21 22:09:41 then why the hell doesn't my shift+fn combo work? D: Sep 21 22:09:43 fucking qt Sep 21 22:29:34 so what's the threat now??? Sep 21 22:32:46 kerio: thou shalt not call my name in vain! Sep 21 22:32:53 wazzup?? Sep 21 22:33:05 DocScrutinizer05: hmm... which threat? Sep 21 22:33:07 there's plenty Sep 21 22:33:18 Woody14619: it would be a nice excuse to force DocScrutinizer to nominate himself Sep 21 22:33:22 oh right Sep 21 22:33:30 the eventual nomination of the dude with the E and the _ Sep 21 22:34:04 * DocScrutinizer05 ducks and covers Sep 21 22:34:50 do you ever knew, THIS ASSHOLE WRITING THESE WORDS VOTED FOR HIM Sep 21 22:35:21 ok, my definite coming-out Sep 21 22:35:43 probably I have to resign now from internet at large, to evade shitstorms Sep 21 22:35:57 but now you have the chance to make it better Sep 21 22:35:59 ! Sep 21 22:36:26 toldya, 2h/week, and grupy mood guaranteed Sep 21 22:37:12 anyway I promise I'll not go apeshit mad about my new perceived powers that aren't real Sep 21 22:37:55 I'm considering not to reject reasonable 3rd party nominations Sep 21 22:38:36 you'll get what you asked for, anyway ;-D Sep 21 22:39:39 thats the spirit! :) Sep 21 22:39:42 now it's up to you Sep 21 22:40:33 please keep in mind I didn't ask for anything! I'd prefer to do more nice things with my scarce leisure time Sep 21 22:41:21 Hi Sep 21 22:41:38 also (though in the end that's up to every single one of you) keep in mind I'd prefer board to council Sep 21 22:42:38 what's the difference, again? Sep 21 22:42:47 errr Sep 21 22:43:06 board does legalese, while council does Dr Freud? Sep 21 22:43:35 who does Dr Seuss? Sep 21 22:43:36 Sigmund, you know him Sep 21 22:44:35 thoufg, sometimes we have to find some decent psycho therapist for council mebers X-P Sep 21 22:44:43 though* Sep 21 22:45:31 ...some of them, at least Sep 21 22:45:44 you know what i'm talking bout Sep 21 22:46:09 btw: Sep 21 22:46:27 woody: thanks for the prodding Sep 21 22:47:09 I know you never misunderstood role and meaning of council (unlike some others who evidently did) Sep 21 22:47:50 *one* other person? Sep 21 22:48:05 I'd not like to imply more than I meant to do Sep 21 22:49:26 well, if "some others" includes tmo users asking for new monarchy to save them from taking own POV and decision, then probably it's more than one person Sep 21 22:52:07 anyway, keep in mind that I'm saving my scarce leisure time by not rewading all new threads on tmo. Actually I take pride in being agnostic to that lesser pleasant aspect of possible maemo life Sep 21 22:52:38 IOW, if you want me to participate in tmo or ML, toss me a link on IRC please Sep 21 22:52:47 otherwise it didn't happen Sep 21 22:53:27 hmm, -w Sep 21 22:53:41 aka "reading*" Sep 21 23:15:56 nah, i just like to link you the E*_ rants i stumble upon Sep 21 23:21:29 mkfifo stfu Sep 21 23:21:49 dd if=dev/zero of=stfu Sep 21 23:22:00 dd if=stfo of=jerio Sep 21 23:22:06 ^C Sep 21 23:22:12 dd if=stfo of=kerio Sep 21 23:24:11 dd: stfo: No such file or directory Sep 21 23:28:12 I admit I have no decent answer for this, not even a bindmount Sep 21 23:28:53 probably we could ship a fix in CSSU Sep 21 23:31:10 I might craft something depending on locales and dedicated charsets Sep 21 23:32:32 * DocScrutinizer05 summons Raster to comment on E* rants **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 22 02:59:58 2012