**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 26 02:59:58 2012
Sep 26 10:29:32 <BCMM> i have a problem with bb
Sep 26 10:31:16 <BCMM> at some point I installed a package to provide some extra BB features (bb-power perhaps?) and everything was fine. many updates later (i'm on cssu) I notice that i'm getting "whois: applet not found". i ignored it for about a week but now i've found that bzip has the same problem and thus I can't run apt-get update properly
Sep 26 10:31:23 <BCMM> what should I do?
Sep 26 10:38:40 <BCMM> dpkg -S can't even find an owner for /usr/bin/whois
Sep 26 10:54:22 <kerio> BCMM: apt-get install --reinstall busybox-power
Sep 26 10:55:13 <kerio> also you should set gzip as the preferred decompression method - it's lighter, and usually Packages.gz and Packages.bz2 don't differ by much at all
Sep 26 10:55:21 <kerio> lighter on the CPU, i mean
Sep 26 10:56:07 <BCMM> kerio: how do you do that? i'd noticed that updating packages made stuff slow for a looong time
Sep 26 10:57:15 <kerio> Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: "gz";
Sep 26 10:57:29 <kerio> in apt.conf(.d)
Sep 26 10:57:35 <kerio> that means gz on top
Sep 26 11:03:10 <LaoLang_cool> hello, is there a way to control shift lock status from cli?
Sep 26 11:03:26 <LaoLang_cool> symbol lock and shift lock
Sep 26 11:04:49 <BCMM> kerio: thanks and thanks
Sep 26 12:11:33 <FIQ|n900> Hmmm
Sep 26 12:11:33 <FIQ|n900> I think I messed up as rm seems to segfault
Sep 26 12:11:40 <FIQ|n900> Somehow apt-get upgrade resulted in full rootfs
Sep 26 12:13:23 <FIQ|n900> Which is weird as I had 20M free before upgrade
Sep 26 12:14:29 <flux> 20M free is practically nothing :-o
Sep 26 12:14:49 <kerio> yeah, i've got like 80
Sep 26 12:15:03 <kerio> FIQ|n900: remember that apt, by default, uses the cache in the rootfs
Sep 26 12:19:04 <kerio> so i'd run apt-get clean
Sep 26 12:20:08 <kerio> also install cssu-thumb!
Sep 26 12:20:09 * kerio flees
Sep 26 12:26:40 <BCMM> what is cssu-thumb kerio?
Sep 26 12:26:45 <Hurrian> >rm seems to segfault
Sep 26 12:26:47 <Hurrian> Oh no.
Sep 26 12:26:49 <kerio> it's magic and cookies
Sep 26 12:26:57 <kerio> Hurrian: nah, busybox rm segfaults all the fucking time
Sep 26 12:26:59 <Hurrian> I think you accidentally your libraries.
Sep 26 12:27:26 <Hurrian> kerio, it's stable for me. Both on Maemo and -power versions.
Sep 26 12:27:36 <kerio> Hurrian: try to remove something that you can't remove
Sep 26 13:54:57 <FIQ> ahh, turns out that I'll have to reflash the thing... oh well :)
Sep 26 13:55:08 <FIQ> just a small problem though... my microUSB is pretty much broken
Sep 26 13:55:11 <FIQ> Hopefully it will work
Sep 26 13:55:31 <FIQ> <kerio> so i'd run apt-get clean
Sep 26 13:55:39 <FIQ> I already read the wikipage thingy
Sep 26 13:55:47 <FIQ> and apt-get clean did nothing
Sep 26 13:56:00 <FIQ> also pretty much everything segfaulted
Sep 26 13:56:08 <FIQ> and the fact that the battery was low did NOT make things better
Sep 26 13:56:16 <FIQ> didn't really have time to fix it D:
Sep 26 13:57:08 <FIQ> However now I'll have to try to use its' pretty-much-broken microUSB
Sep 26 13:57:15 <FIQ> HOPEFULLY it works
Sep 26 13:57:19 <FIQ> Otherwise... uh
Sep 26 13:57:30 <FIQ> Otherwise I'm screwed I suppose :p
Sep 26 13:58:22 <kerio> otherwise you charge the battery and then restore your last BM backup
Sep 26 13:58:22 <FIQ> <kerio> FIQ|n900: remember that apt, by default, uses the cache in the rootfs
Sep 26 13:58:34 <FIQ> I have CSSU
Sep 26 13:58:37 <FIQ> so mine doesn't
Sep 26 13:58:45 <kerio> i said apt
Sep 26 13:58:47 <kerio> so yours does
Sep 26 13:58:56 <FIQ> but apt-clean did nothing anyway
Sep 26 13:59:01 <FIQ> I tried
Sep 26 13:59:03 <kerio> HAM uses /home/.apt-archive-cache
Sep 26 13:59:06 <kerio> but not apt, by default
Sep 26 13:59:32 <FIQ> "otherwise you restore your last BM backup"
Sep 26 13:59:58 <FIQ> riight
Sep 26 14:00:06 <FIQ> I was supposed to install that thing
Sep 26 14:00:11 <FIQ> Which I forgot :D
Sep 26 14:00:12 <kerio> well you clearly have one
Sep 26 14:00:22 <kerio> because it says pretty clearly to use it in the CSSU instructions
Sep 26 14:00:37 <kerio> and you followed them
Sep 26 14:00:51 <FIQ> I'm pretty sure there wasn't such notice when I installed CSSU
Sep 26 14:00:53 <kerio> like a good user who doesn't skip boring steps in the instructions
Sep 26 14:01:03 <FIQ> because I always read such things
Sep 26 14:01:34 <FIQ> I installed CSSU before the first stable release, might not have been such thing then
Sep 26 14:02:05 <FIQ> Well
Sep 26 14:02:15 <FIQ> I don't blame anyone, it's all my own fault :p
Sep 26 14:03:27 <kerio> Revision as of 22:40, 26 November 2011 by Joerg rw
Sep 26 14:03:34 <kerio> that added the "install backupmenu" step
Sep 26 14:04:50 <kerio> hehehe, and it took up until Revision as of 11:39, 2 February 2012 to make the list's formatting correct
Sep 26 14:05:25 <FIQ> lol
Sep 26 14:06:28 <FIQ> Well
Sep 26 14:06:36 <FIQ> As I said, it was before stable was out
Sep 26 14:06:51 <FIQ> So it's fully possible that it was simply not on the list when I did it
Sep 26 14:07:00 <FIQ> It's also possible that I somehow missed it, but I don't think it
Sep 26 14:07:14 <Lava_Croft> hmm, fb chat keeps giving user/pass error when creating an account
Sep 26 14:07:22 <Lava_Croft> even tho im positive i entered them correctly
Sep 26 14:07:24 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: can we get a "INSTALL BACKUPMENU, YOU DOLT" message in the topic?
Sep 26 14:07:25 <FIQ> But kerio, that's not the point
Sep 26 14:07:38 <FIQ> The point is that I already was aware that I should install backup menu
Sep 26 14:07:44 <FIQ> From other sources, including this channel
Sep 26 14:07:57 <FIQ> I just didn't do it, probably because I forgot it
Sep 26 14:08:09 <FIQ> I'm not blaming anyone though... it's just my own fault :p
Sep 26 14:09:18 <FIQ> Now I learned that I should install it, the hard way, I suppose
Sep 26 14:15:49 <Lava_Croft> ok, this is annoying
Sep 26 14:15:57 <Lava_Croft> fb chat doesnt want to login, not on jabber either
Sep 26 14:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamnit
Sep 26 14:36:18 <GeneralAntilles> I thought this was my temperature controller
Sep 26 14:36:22 <GeneralAntilles> Turns out it's an iPhone 5.
Sep 26 15:25:24 <DocScrutinizer51> kerio: could we get a autogreeter for robbiethe1st "PROMOTE BM TO TESTING, YOU FOOL!"
Sep 26 15:25:32 <kerio> hehe
Sep 26 15:25:35 <kerio> that, too
Sep 26 15:25:39 <kerio> actually no
Sep 26 15:25:43 <kerio> because -devel is the main repo anyway
Sep 26 15:25:51 <kerio> nobody except you cares about -testing
Sep 26 15:25:57 <DocScrutinizer51> /kick kerio
Sep 26 15:26:03 <kerio> ouch! my butt!
Sep 26 15:26:49 <DocScrutinizer51> how's it going to get into extras, without touchdown in extras-testing?
Sep 26 15:27:12 <kerio> wtf is touchdown?
Sep 26 15:27:42 <DocScrutinizer51> some temporary visit
Sep 26 15:28:07 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dict touchdown
Sep 26 15:28:09 <infobot> Dictionary 'touchdown' (2 of 3): a score in American football; being in possession of the ball across the opponents' goal line ;; a landing (as the wheels touch the landing field); especially of airplanes.
Sep 26 15:29:10 <DocScrutinizer51> while actually it velonged to nokia's maemo core repo since beginning :-P
Sep 26 15:29:20 <DocScrutinizer51> belonged*
Sep 26 15:30:30 <kerio> heh
Sep 26 15:30:42 <kerio> i beg to differ though, it's definetely not thoroughly tested
Sep 26 15:30:50 <kerio> for instance, usb MSM is a bit flaky
Sep 26 15:30:59 <kerio> the connection is reset when charge21.sh detects the charging
Sep 26 15:31:48 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm? file a ticket!
Sep 26 16:17:23 <marcdeop> hey guys
Sep 26 16:17:34 <marcdeop> I've been facing a really anoying bug
Sep 26 16:17:38 <marcdeop> when someone calls me
Sep 26 16:17:58 <marcdeop> the screen doesn't totally show the phone app
Sep 26 16:18:13 <marcdeop> so I can't get to hit the reply (or deny) call button
Sep 26 16:18:23 <marcdeop> do any of you know of a solution?
Sep 26 16:43:04 <DocScrutinizer05> yaqy, drive-by asker
Sep 26 17:04:49 <FIQ> this is getting a little frustrating
Sep 26 17:05:03 <FIQ> I'm trying to flash my N900, and my microUSB is *almost* dead
Sep 26 17:05:20 <FIQ> which means, it does work, but...
Sep 26 17:05:34 <kerio> it means it doesn't work
Sep 26 17:05:37 <kerio> and you shouldn't flash it
Sep 26 17:05:50 <FIQ> sure it does
Sep 26 17:05:58 <FIQ> but barely
Sep 26 17:06:05 <FIQ>  97% (181248 of 185728 kB, 13619 kB/s) then fail
Sep 26 17:08:16 <FIQ> oh by the way kerio 
Sep 26 17:08:26 <FIQ> if I shouldn't flash, what do you suggest instead? :o
Sep 26 17:09:07 <kerio> probably try desperately to install backupmenu and then restore a full backup from somewhere
Sep 26 17:09:18 <kerio> but of course now you borked everything and your only option is to flash
Sep 26 17:09:42 <FIQ> kerio: The device didn't even boot before
Sep 26 17:09:58 <FIQ> So it wasn't available before flashing either
Sep 26 17:10:44 <kerio> k
Sep 26 17:27:20 <FIQ> there we go
Sep 26 17:27:29 <FIQ> took some tries
Sep 26 18:19:20 <kerio> what the fuck is Helium Mobile Browser? :o
Sep 26 18:45:04 <Lava_Croft> Nemo's browser
Sep 26 18:45:14 <Lava_Croft> dont bother with it
Sep 26 18:45:30 <kerio> i already bothered with it :)
Sep 26 18:45:32 <kerio> doesn't work
Sep 26 18:51:21 <DocScrutinizer51> the concept assumed He-3 and that's too rare and expensive. So they used He-2 and that's why it doesn't work
Sep 26 18:52:43 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: aren't you watching a live concert
Sep 26 18:53:07 <DocScrutinizer51> they haven't started yet
Sep 26 18:53:50 * kerio wasn't on IRC while waiting for radiohead to start
Sep 26 18:53:57 <kerio> because mobile connections were fucked
Sep 26 18:54:04 <DocScrutinizer51> hah
Sep 26 18:54:08 <kerio> because there were too many people with fucking iphones and samsung galaxies
Sep 26 18:54:28 <kerio> or, well, because there were too many people
Sep 26 18:55:10 <DocScrutinizer51> hah, I got a N900 and I'm not afraid to use it
Sep 26 18:55:58 <kerio> woah, this is weird!
Sep 26 18:56:00 <kerio> i've got a n900 too!
Sep 26 18:56:10 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders tweaking tvBgone into iPhoneBgone
Sep 26 18:56:31 <kerio> hahaha
Sep 26 18:56:35 <kerio> i don't think it works that way
Sep 26 19:18:44 <vi__> what package contains xev?
Sep 26 19:29:13 <vi__> do you think it is possible to map blue+control to left alt?
Sep 26 19:55:55 <DocScrutinizer51> vi__: blue&ctrl is 'special'
Sep 26 19:56:41 <DocScrutinizer51> and iirc that is (who would've guessed) again a closed bit
Sep 26 20:00:05 <kerio> goddammit i still haven't found a way to properly try my swapswap script
Sep 26 20:00:13 <kerio> i always end up rebooting every couple of days, for some reason
Sep 26 20:13:02 <vi__> DocScrutinizer05: blue+control is not so special.
Sep 26 20:13:47 <vi__> according to rx-51 keymap, 3rd and 4th level of ctrl key is 'multi-key'.
Sep 26 20:14:11 <vi__> DocScrutinizer05: hildon listens for multi-key then sends out a dbus message.
Sep 26 20:16:25 <vi__> that is intercepted by NFC that displays the stupid little menu.
Sep 26 20:17:15 <vi__> so you have 2 choices, 1. change 3rd and 4th level of control to something else.
Sep 26 20:19:23 <vi__> like L_alt
Sep 26 20:22:13 <vi__> 2. cssu hildon actually has a gconf you can set to overide blue+ctrl with another dbus message.
Sep 26 20:23:31 <vi__> anyway, I set blue+ctrl to L_alt but I am not sure how to test it!
Sep 26 20:23:42 <kerio> emacs
Sep 26 20:24:01 <vi__> FFFFFUUUUUUCCCCCKKKK OOOOOFFFF
Sep 26 20:24:40 <vi__> emacs can go and rim a tramp.
Sep 26 20:25:43 <kerio> hehe
Sep 26 20:25:55 <kerio> that's funny because tramp is the transparent sftp/scp access
Sep 26 20:33:14 <vi__> I meant, if emacs were a person I would have them tounge a homeless mans crusty butthole.
Sep 26 20:35:00 <vi__> kerio: do you have the thumb toolchain setup?
Sep 26 20:35:08 <kerio> newp
Sep 26 20:35:16 <vi__> lame
Sep 26 20:38:44 <kerio> do you?
Sep 26 21:15:58 <jikk> Hello.
Sep 26 21:18:17 <jikk> I'm trying to get my N900 to connect via openvpn. Strange thing is it was working last week, and I'm not sure what I've broken. On initializing the openvpn connection I notice two errors - "ip-change command failed: could not execute external program", and "NOTE: unable to redirect default gateway -- Cannot read current default gateway from system". In my openvpn.conf I have "script-security 2" and "ipchange add_default_route.sh"
Sep 26 21:18:53 <jikk> As suggested by this post - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7596#c9. 
Sep 26 21:18:56 <povbot_> 04Bug 7596: redirect-gateway broken with 2G/3G connections
Sep 26 21:19:51 <jikk> povbot_: Yeah I've read about that (in the above post). After the VPN is up, I can manually run the add_default_route.sh command, and all is fine.
Sep 26 21:19:52 <povbot_> jikk: Error: "Yeah" is not a valid command.
Sep 26 21:20:08 <jikk> povbot_: Oh, you're a bot.
Sep 26 21:20:09 <povbot_> jikk: Error: "Oh," is not a valid command.
Sep 26 21:20:16 <jikk> Guess it was in the name.
Sep 26 21:20:25 <jikk> povbot_: botsnack
Sep 26 21:20:26 <povbot_> jikk: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.
Sep 26 21:28:18 <jikk> Meh, was missing the #!/bin/sh at the top of the script.
Sep 26 21:32:01 <SpeedEvil> :-) 
Sep 26 21:55:00 <DocScrutinizer51> dang, either mediaplayer gone apeshit, or recaller recorded 80min of pure silence
Sep 26 21:56:37 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Sep 26 21:56:37 <infobot> thanks, DocScrutinizer51
Sep 26 21:59:15 <FIQ|n900> hmm
Sep 26 21:59:48 <FIQ|n900> how come that HAM crashes after a program has been installed?
Sep 26 22:00:18 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm?
Sep 26 22:01:05 <FIQ|n900> I just enabled devel on this device to install backupmenu and xchat
Sep 26 22:01:15 <FIQ|n900> backupmenu installed *crash*
Sep 26 22:01:24 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm
Sep 26 22:01:28 <FIQ|n900> xchat as well, also followed by HAM crash
Sep 26 22:01:56 <FIQ|n900> or, freeze during the "1 application has been installed" dialog
Sep 26 22:02:04 <FIQ|n900> to be exact
Sep 26 22:02:18 <DocScrutinizer51> well, THAT's normal
Sep 26 22:02:28 <FIQ|n900> "normal"
Sep 26 22:02:32 <DocScrutinizer51> just wait 5min
Sep 26 22:02:37 <FIQ|n900> wat
Sep 26 22:02:53 <FIQ|n900> oh great
Sep 26 22:02:57 <DocScrutinizer51> until HAM finsihed its pressing afairs
Sep 26 22:03:10 <FIQ|n900> the random "hide all repos" thing...
Sep 26 22:03:31 <FIQ|n900> now I can't disable devel to proceed with installing rootsh, perfect
Sep 26 22:03:39 <FIQ|n900> unless I like waiting 10min
Sep 26 22:04:18 <DocScrutinizer51> well HAM with devel enabled is basically unbearable
Sep 26 22:04:30 <FIQ|n900> I really don't like HAM, should have installed rootsh so I could avoid HAM completly ...
Sep 26 22:04:40 <FIQ|n900> first, that si
Sep 26 22:04:42 <FIQ|n900> *is
Sep 26 22:05:11 <DocScrutinizer51> but since it doesn't need pushing or kicking suring the 10min, you as well can get a beer and live with it
Sep 26 22:05:38 <DocScrutinizer51> during*
Sep 26 22:05:57 <FIQ|n900> ok this hide repos bug is annoying
Sep 26 22:06:00 <FIQ|n900> don
Sep 26 22:06:19 <FIQ|n900> don't get what causes it and don't know how to fix/work around
Sep 26 22:13:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc which bug you're talking about
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