**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 04 02:59:58 2012 Oct 04 06:12:34 DocScrutinizer05: my autologin worked ^___^ Oct 04 06:12:42 without actually using my own ip Oct 04 06:12:46 just a valid one, i think Oct 04 06:13:10 hah Oct 04 06:13:35 ICD feature request: a textbox for the command to run after connecting to a particular connection Oct 04 08:42:36 So, bought a new polarcell and it reports 12xx mAh as full charge. Is that accurate or do I need to change something? Oct 04 08:47:06 entitled, try calibration Oct 04 08:47:13 12xx mAh is terrible Oct 04 08:52:20 also, why not a CSUD? Oct 04 08:52:24 ^SCUD Oct 04 09:46:12 wifi vs bluetooth power use; discuss. Oct 04 09:46:48 0_o Oct 04 09:49:48 http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:HxXoetGtbPoJ:nesl.ee.ucla.edu/fw/documents/reports/2007/PowerAnalysis.pdf+wifi+vs+bluetooth+power+use&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjRabn41n1Zi73ZHPWQdGqCtRr1KAk2Ye-SuziotHmC3z1spcm-7ujDassHShEItvIUPRAOHFouLixnSNNQz7RXj5HknhnLw2ZbK_qc6u2IN3fiA1o6x8xXeido8KMYvrk94y_v&sig=AHIEtbRdsC45d2OX-iybeFs8C2LdWZjHgQ Oct 04 09:50:53 haha short url :p Oct 04 09:51:20 Can anyone suggest where does marmistrz uploads libraries in the first place. He says it's been uploaded, but I can't see it in his repo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1275885&postcount=525 Oct 04 09:51:46 http://5z8.info/russian-brides_l7x8db_open_exe_begin_transfer Oct 04 09:51:52 Is that any better? Oct 04 09:53:24 int_ua: literally no idea. Oct 04 09:54:18 interesting document... Oct 04 09:54:28 uh-oh Oct 04 09:54:42 wiki.maemo.org, server certificate has expired... Oct 04 09:56:13 :( Oct 04 09:59:00 kerio: ping Oct 04 10:04:48 /facepalm Oct 04 10:05:28 In our callcentre solution, we have a mode that keeps the agent's phone connected to our system the whole time, so we don't have to ring out to them continuously, as soon as a new call arrives Oct 04 10:06:20 The customer just created an "issue" in our tracker, saying they didn't understand why the phone wouldn't ring. We explained that the line was kept active (nearly) all day, she replied, saying she didn't understand why we couldn't make her phone ring, without hanging up. Oct 04 10:10:17 lmfao!! Oct 04 10:10:38 as if it isnt bad enough when it is hung up? Oct 04 10:10:55 now shewants it yo ring while active? Oct 04 10:10:57 kp52 saves batteries: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276180&postcount=184 Oct 04 10:12:29 teotwaki: ...PSDN does not work that way. Oct 04 10:12:56 vi_: no shit? Oct 04 10:13:05 no, none. Oct 04 10:13:26 also I meant pstn. Oct 04 10:13:39 vi_: You think you have to explain basic PSTN to a VoIP engineer? ;) Oct 04 10:13:46 no. Oct 04 10:13:52 Anyway Oct 04 10:13:58 Most people just don't understand telephony. Oct 04 10:14:02 But using the wrong acronym was annoying me. Oct 04 10:14:39 most people are useless farting skittles that are incapable of the slightest problem solving and lateral thinking. Oct 04 10:15:13 speaking of telephony: what are the use-cases for asterisk on N900? Oct 04 10:15:29 I don't think it works, does it? Oct 04 10:15:38 haven't tried Oct 04 10:15:39 I mean, it doesn't interface with the actual phone module Oct 04 10:15:52 int_ua: Lets say I want to set up my own ad-hoc wifi telephone network with NO GSM support. Oct 04 10:16:28 Easy, run asterisk on the N900, set yourself up as an acess point and set all your clients to use SIP. Oct 04 10:17:13 Granted it would be very short range... Oct 04 10:17:36 and with VPN? Oct 04 10:18:09 int_ua: I am pretty sure most symbian phones support VPN and SIP out of the box. Oct 04 10:49:29 hello Oct 04 10:50:25 morn Oct 04 11:06:54 maybeThere Oct 04 11:20:36 teotwaki: you can't send an INVITE when session established? Oct 04 11:20:58 (not that this would usually make any sense :-P) Oct 04 11:23:12 adasterisk on n900 always felt *extremely* silly to me Oct 04 11:24:47 prolly ported by some dumbass who didn't get it that SIP clients don't need local * Oct 04 11:30:21 DocScrutinizer51: you have any knowledge about media player? Oct 04 11:30:38 sparse Oct 04 11:30:41 it seems that sometimes, at random intervals, it empties/screws up its buffer when streaming audio Oct 04 11:30:45 happens with both stock and OMP Oct 04 11:30:57 its so annoying that i switched to KMplayer Oct 04 11:31:05 it happens on 2g, 3g, wifi Oct 04 11:31:11 then it's MAFW Oct 04 11:31:19 i figured Oct 04 11:31:31 most of the time it doesnt automagically fill it again either Oct 04 11:32:07 hmm Oct 04 11:32:35 I've seen that on video playback, yes Oct 04 11:33:39 bbl, sorry Oct 04 11:36:46 np Oct 04 11:46:09 DocScrutinizer05: you can, but it won't make any phone ring. Plus, remember this is PSTN, so either you get a session progress (183) signal back, or you don't get squat. Oct 04 11:55:55 DocScrutinizer51: I recall there was a tweak involving /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini Oct 04 11:56:06 How much good would it do me without it enabled? Oct 04 12:08:37 never heard of Oct 04 12:09:18 kerio: ping Oct 04 12:09:23 pong Oct 04 12:09:26 hi Oct 04 12:09:33 the autologin works ^___^ Oct 04 12:10:00 you told that Oct 04 12:10:12 not to vi_ Oct 04 12:10:22 not everything is about you, joerg Oct 04 12:10:47 anyway it' s quite illy Oct 04 12:10:58 silly, or ill Oct 04 12:11:25 if they don't need that IP, WTF is it there? Oct 04 12:12:20 idk Oct 04 12:12:26 but i don't want to risk removing it Oct 04 12:12:48 risk? Oct 04 12:12:58 autologin would stop working! Oct 04 12:13:06 OMFG Oct 04 12:13:20 permanently eternally? Oct 04 12:13:38 for everybody? Oct 04 12:14:07 yes! Oct 04 12:21:56 FlameReaper: Oct 04 12:22:05 It enabled HW accel Oct 04 12:22:15 for h-d Oct 04 12:22:20 enbales* Oct 04 12:22:28 ok i give up Oct 04 12:23:34 It's okay, I understand Oct 04 12:23:42 I remembered the effect it had though Oct 04 12:23:57 For me it smoothed the transitions Oct 04 12:23:57 and now I remember why HD would hang during transitions Oct 04 12:24:02 yes, that could happen too Oct 04 12:24:10 it differs per device it seems Oct 04 12:24:20 I have used it for years, without problems Oct 04 12:24:31 and nothing short of a power cycle can help it... Oct 04 12:24:35 after a reflash, i forgot to re-enable it and after months i didnt notice any difference Oct 04 12:24:53 so i just left it disabled, which it was for a reason in the first place:) Oct 04 12:25:18 http://www.coldbird.uk.to/?e=9 Oct 04 12:25:21 aww poor PS Vita scene Oct 04 12:25:46 I really want to find a used N900 where I can OC it on speeds at least 1GHz Oct 04 12:26:07 where its stable threshold is around that speed Oct 04 12:26:11 i run my 2nd n900 at n900 mhz Oct 04 12:26:24 so far the only thing it will probably do is decrease its lifetime Oct 04 12:26:29 I check for OC stability with the MyPaint app Oct 04 12:26:37 i check it by using the device normally Oct 04 12:26:39 if it cannot run on a certain clock speed Oct 04 12:26:50 then it's a sign I can't run the device on that speed Oct 04 13:01:56 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 04 13:09:48 yay Oct 04 13:24:48 vi_: didn't find the scud and the battery test topic said the polarcell is best available (and I live in europe) Oct 04 13:31:37 * teotwaki goes back to reading and annotating PhD theses. Oct 04 13:51:08 After a flash my phone appears to have an 'operator lock'. Oct 04 13:51:22 Is that easy to remove? Oct 04 13:54:07 Never mind; it seems it's just a design UI failure. Oct 04 13:57:04 1 Oct 04 14:32:29 freemangordon: ping Oct 04 15:21:30 Boss: "When did you plan on leaving on holiday? How many days do you have left?" Oct 04 15:21:43 Me: "This monday, 11 days" Oct 04 15:22:00 Boss: "So from the 15th 'till the 24th?" Oct 04 15:22:28 Me: "How on earth did you calculate that?" Oct 04 15:22:32 Boss: "Poorly." Oct 04 15:29:05 yay, feierabend Oct 04 15:36:16 is there a way to disable all the transitions? Oct 04 15:36:32 setting the duration to 0 doesn't actually disable them Oct 04 15:56:46 kerio: ping Oct 04 15:57:20 pong Oct 04 15:57:22 wtf do you want Oct 04 15:58:30 you, to be a little more civil sometimes -_- Oct 04 15:58:38 k Oct 04 15:58:44 hi vi___! how's it going? Oct 04 15:58:45 you played with BT PAN did'nt you? Oct 04 15:58:48 gotta love the picture on this article: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/4/3453756/jolla-to-show-off-new-meego-based-os-in-finland-next-month Oct 04 15:58:53 i din't Oct 04 15:59:03 oh Oct 04 15:59:12 well that concludes that then! Oct 04 16:00:01 as for transissions, there is a lot more you can do apart from reducing times. Oct 04 16:00:17 kerio: did you try to install bluez-utils? Oct 04 16:00:59 Why is it a new operating system based on meego? backwards compatibility too painful? Oct 04 16:01:25 merlin1991: ...on an n950? Oct 04 16:01:56 vi___: i just want to disable them Oct 04 16:01:58 anyway, no Oct 04 16:02:00 what do they have? Oct 04 16:02:16 i thought the utils were in bluez already Oct 04 16:02:27 vi___: the best thing about it is the icon set, it's harmattan icons with different colours :P (on a n950) Oct 04 16:02:49 merlin1991: I did not see thta closely. Oct 04 16:03:09 deepy: they need to invent their own aegis that breaks backwards compatibility ;) Oct 04 16:03:10 merlin1991: do you think the picture is from jolla? Oct 04 16:03:21 vi___: nope, but it's so badly shopped Oct 04 16:03:47 9/10 for effort. Oct 04 16:04:03 vi___: i mean, i have rfcomm and sdptool installed Oct 04 16:04:07 does that mean the jolla big reveal is going to be next month? Oct 04 16:04:08 from PR1.3.1 Oct 04 16:04:23 kerio: they are from bluez? Oct 04 16:04:32 but luf said he has an updated bluez that maybe works Oct 04 16:04:37 vi___: i suppose so Oct 04 16:04:50 bluez: /usr/bin/rfcomm Oct 04 16:04:50 yep Oct 04 16:05:05 merlin1991: I am prepaired for massive disappoint. Oct 04 16:05:12 Just like the N9 announcement. Oct 04 16:05:41 Is there any wiki entry on N900 DUN? Oct 04 16:06:04 That is using another mobile phone as a DUM for the N900. Oct 04 16:06:10 wvdial style. Oct 04 16:08:40 vi___: you could use wvdial Oct 04 16:09:09 everything like that is basically "do whatever you'd do on normal unixes and then launch the dummy network so stuff that wants ICD to tell them it's ok works fine" Oct 04 16:09:59 how to get the dummy network? Oct 04 16:10:17 also, there is no wvdial for maemo Oct 04 16:11:00 merlin1991: now you have some powers over maemo repos, would you mind to PURGE ALL TRACES OF BATTERYPATCH AND SPEEDPATCH. Thanks in advance :P Oct 04 16:11:15 I still have none Oct 04 16:11:28 ouch Oct 04 16:11:45 hmm, is council aware? Oct 04 16:12:19 freemangordon: ! Oct 04 16:12:38 a moment of your time if you have? Oct 04 16:12:42 yep Oct 04 16:12:51 go on Oct 04 16:13:04 my n900 still crashes when playing some videos with SR enabled. Oct 04 16:13:17 which peofile? dsp? Oct 04 16:13:19 I set dsp_boost to 250 Oct 04 16:13:22 *profile Oct 04 16:13:39 I dont have a profile... Oct 04 16:13:57 I know you are going to say to low voltage. Oct 04 16:13:57 * ShadowJK 's spare n900 is only stable with boot and default profile, iirc :) Oct 04 16:14:00 hmm. dmesg? Oct 04 16:14:13 let me give you the details. Oct 04 16:14:18 ShadowJK: default enables SR ;) Oct 04 16:14:41 frequency locked to 900MHz Oct 04 16:14:48 dsp_boost to 250 Oct 04 16:14:48 I also noticed it has lower voltage at 500 and 600? Oct 04 16:15:06 ShadowJK: does not matter as SR is enabled Oct 04 16:15:19 my 900 has a voltage of around 58-60 Oct 04 16:15:25 at 900mhz Oct 04 16:15:50 http://cxg.de/_afc87b.htm Oct 04 16:15:59 vi___: is it stable with default and dsp profiles? what frequency has your DSP @ 720,805,850 nad 900? Oct 04 16:17:10 DSP speed is 600MHz Oct 04 16:17:39 still using compcahce? Oct 04 16:18:08 http://cxg.de/_c43828.htm Oct 04 16:18:39 no, I turned it off to try and isolate the cause of the issue. Oct 04 16:18:45 vi___: man, WTF is that? 600:47,600 720:51,600 805:53,600 900:60,600 Oct 04 16:19:09 obviously wrong. Oct 04 16:19:21 any more questions? :P Oct 04 16:19:36 but It still crashes when the frequency is locked to 900MHz Oct 04 16:19:44 SmartReflex VDD1=0, VDD2=0 Oct 04 16:19:51 i.e. no other freq is used. Oct 04 16:20:06 raise the voltage by 1-2 Oct 04 16:20:21 vi___: why do you need 900? Oct 04 16:20:21 yeah, I switched it off earlier to isolate the problem. Oct 04 16:20:37 because MOAR MEGAHURTZ IS MOARE BETTER. Oct 04 16:20:42 and it still crashes? Oct 04 16:20:49 with SR off? Oct 04 16:20:53 with SR off, there is no crash Oct 04 16:21:28 vi_: does it crash with default profile? Oct 04 16:21:51 ...I don't have KPS> Oct 04 16:22:08 well, install it Oct 04 16:22:14 A Oct 04 16:23:16 vi_: still here? Oct 04 16:24:47 yeah Oct 04 16:24:55 stupid ctrl key got stuck Oct 04 16:25:01 on BT keyboard Oct 04 16:25:02 vi__: do you still use compcache? Oct 04 16:25:13 sometimes. Oct 04 16:25:21 do not :; Oct 04 16:25:25 ;) Oct 04 16:25:40 but it is so sweet. Oct 04 16:26:42 vi__: install KPS and load default profile and test. if it does not crash load dsp profile and test. if it crashes boost DSP voltage Oct 04 16:26:52 is see dsp profile misses out 900MHz, why is that? Oct 04 16:26:53 if it still crashes lower your DSP frequency Oct 04 16:27:01 i see dsp profile misses out 900MHz, why is that? Oct 04 16:27:10 vanadis: because 900 is too high Oct 04 16:27:19 vi__: ^^^ Oct 04 16:28:02 oh, I was under the impression 900 was working. There we go then! Oct 04 16:28:43 vi__: it works. But for MPU. DSP is not guaranteed to work Oct 04 16:29:05 put 580 instead of 600 for DSP and you will see Oct 04 16:30:07 vi__: my goal was to have absolutely stable SR for stock frequencies. And I hink that is achieved Oct 04 16:30:10 *think Oct 04 16:30:48 for stock, almost certainly. Oct 04 16:30:56 stable SR when OCing DSP is possible, but it will lead to bigger battery drain for those with "good" devices. Oct 04 16:31:02 but we users are greedy for bogomips. Oct 04 16:31:40 well, your device does not fall in that category, so your option is to lower your DSP frequency Oct 04 16:31:52 though you'd better test dsp profile first Oct 04 16:32:36 anything above 720 drastically reducec your battery life. 900 is too much now we have thumb ;) Oct 04 16:33:36 vi__: if it was not for HD I will run my device on stock speeds Oct 04 16:33:41 HD? Oct 04 16:33:44 actually anything above 600. Oct 04 16:33:58 well, 720 is not THAT bad Oct 04 16:33:58 hildon-desktop, or high definition? Oct 04 16:33:59 I plotted the power use. Oct 04 16:34:04 i remember Oct 04 16:34:12 kerio: high def Oct 04 16:34:14 kerio: High def Oct 04 16:42:12 vi__: you're aware that Nokia's HW-wizard extraordinaire warned all developers on an early N900 community meeting to lock CÜU freq to SIXHUNDRED? otherwise device would fry Oct 04 16:42:44 to LOCK on 600? Oct 04 16:43:18 [2012-10-04 18:14:41] frequency locked to 900MHz Oct 04 16:43:49 DocScrutinizer05: I do not normally do that. Oct 04 16:44:04 It was just to test the device at 900. Oct 04 16:44:22 DocScrutinizer05: my question was: did Nokia's HW wizard recommend to LOCK@600? Oct 04 16:44:49 or to not go higher than Oct 04 16:44:54 freemangordon: lrn2read Oct 04 16:45:28 warned all developers ... to lock CÜU freq to 600 Oct 04 16:45:39 well, maybe my english is bad Oct 04 16:45:42 poor Oct 04 16:45:52 He said "don't do izt! EVER!" Oct 04 16:47:01 aah, DON'T LOCK it. maybe you'll want to read what you wrote. lrn2write Oct 04 16:47:10 I guess in English you can positively warn somebody he actually _shall_ do sth Oct 04 16:47:24 sorry, pardon my french Oct 04 16:47:59 is this the same HW wizard that is responsible for the USB socket? Oct 04 16:48:03 in German you can only warn so somebody does NOT do some particular thing Oct 04 16:48:05 LOL Oct 04 16:48:55 vi__: leaving it up to you to finf out Oct 04 16:48:55 it was popular in diablo days to disable cpufreq, because cpufreq was pretty slow and it affected responsiveness significantly. When N900 came out they warned against doing the same on n900, as n900 cpu's declared life decreases a few magnitudes running at the overclock to 600 vs 500 Oct 04 16:49:04 vi__: well, besides USB socket Nokia did a descent job with N900 Oct 04 16:49:34 and the cellmo death Oct 04 16:49:40 yeah :( Oct 04 16:50:24 or the tiny backup battery. Oct 04 16:50:33 vi__: that's not Nokia Oct 04 16:50:41 or the easy to wear out slider. Oct 04 16:50:48 what? Oct 04 16:51:03 never heard of that Oct 04 16:51:11 dont you found your slider is...slack now? Oct 04 16:51:20 * ShadowJK hasnt noticed Oct 04 16:51:31 are you right handed? Oct 04 16:51:41 yes Oct 04 16:51:54 me too, and my slider is ok Oct 04 16:51:55 hold your n900 in your R/hand. Oct 04 16:52:07 my N810 slider doesnt slide straight Oct 04 16:52:18 open the slider with the same hand using the thumb on the corner. Oct 04 16:52:22 vi__: and? Oct 04 16:52:33 I always have thumb on middle? Oct 04 16:52:33 now do the same with your left. Oct 04 16:52:44 vi__: it is ok Oct 04 16:52:50 mmmm. Oct 04 16:52:58 no slack here Oct 04 16:52:58 maybe I have brutal thumbs. Oct 04 16:53:18 if I do it in the corner, right hand corner opens 2mm before left moves Oct 04 16:53:29 THERE!! Oct 04 16:53:36 on left, moves slughtly less before right side moves Oct 04 16:54:03 the only way to fix it is to bend a bit of the end stop in the slide mechanism. Oct 04 16:54:15 the same happens on my second device, which is not used Oct 04 16:54:17 dafaq Oct 04 16:54:22 or almost the same Oct 04 16:54:27 yep Oct 04 16:54:44 mine does that too, started doing it after i droped it on a concret floor Oct 04 16:55:00 concrete will do that to a phone. Oct 04 16:55:01 and as long as it snaps into end positions nicely, I don't see a problem, nor a reason to BEND anything :-o Oct 04 16:55:05 aah, mine had this experience 3 times :D Oct 04 16:55:18 (concrete) Oct 04 16:55:20 DocScrutinizer05: I am obsessive. Oct 04 16:55:31 in other news... Oct 04 16:55:43 vi__: yupp, everytime! :/ Oct 04 16:55:54 if you disable screen autolock, xorg never goes the fuck to sleep. Oct 04 16:55:56 vi__: deffinitely there is no problem with the slider, I have this device since 02.2010 Oct 04 16:56:00 in other news, how do you enjoy my bomb on council election? Oct 04 16:56:12 hmm, seems I missed the party Oct 04 16:56:15 lemme see Oct 04 16:56:16 my N810 slider has enough play that it can't be reliable opened with force on a corner :) Oct 04 16:56:17 I lost track... Oct 04 16:56:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276405&postcount=34 Oct 04 16:56:47 ShadowJK: thats what I meant, my 2 previous n900 went like that. Oct 04 16:57:32 DocScrutinizer05: seems reasonable. Oct 04 16:57:41 DocScrutinizer05: actually sound reasonable. Oct 04 16:57:46 *sounds Oct 04 17:01:29 but running n900@900MHz just seems so right! Oct 04 17:03:02 DocScrutinizer05: oh you :3 Oct 04 17:14:18 it is 14degrees in my house. Oct 04 17:14:26 fuck this weather. Oct 04 17:17:00 * Lava_Croft huggles his N9 some more Oct 04 17:51:19 just to add to the concrete discussion Oct 04 17:51:29 my first n900 olst the emmc due to drop to concrete Oct 04 18:00:44 How many hours does your n900 battery last if you do absolutely nothing, but wifi is on? Oct 04 18:01:08 fasta: you can calculate that Oct 04 18:01:17 it also depends on the wifi powersaving working properly Oct 04 18:01:27 and it depends on how you configure your router Oct 04 18:01:28 kerio: if I know a bunch of numbers, which I don't, yes. Oct 04 18:01:34 merlin1991: hehe, did the rest work? Oct 04 18:02:00 kerio: also, I cannot calculate how long _yours_ last. Oct 04 18:02:00 fasta: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Oct 04 18:02:40 Wifi on with maximum powersaving. +~2 mA Oct 04 18:03:26 kerio: and voltage? Oct 04 18:03:39 idk Oct 04 18:03:50 but it shouldn't change much Oct 04 18:04:23 kerio: uhm, you cannot calculate energy if you don't have extra information. Oct 04 18:05:30 you have information about the current though Oct 04 18:05:35 and information about the charge in your battery Oct 04 18:06:45 Speaking of wiki, how can you turn it off completely? Oct 04 18:06:50 wifi* Oct 04 18:06:53 haha Oct 04 18:07:07 well, it's off Oct 04 18:07:13 if you don't connect to anything Oct 04 18:07:15 I have the impression that because some applications want to connect, it automatically connects. Oct 04 18:07:23 oh, you can make them ask Oct 04 18:07:28 ...but asking triggers a scan Oct 04 18:07:36 I don't want to make them ask. Oct 04 18:07:40 unload the wifi kernel module Oct 04 18:07:44 I just want a global on/off button. Oct 04 18:07:47 there are some GUIs for that Oct 04 18:08:10 kerio: please name one of them which doesn't suck. Oct 04 18:08:17 you want too much, now Oct 04 18:08:25 kerio: name one then? Oct 04 18:08:31 still too much? Oct 04 18:08:42 wifi switcher or something like that Oct 04 18:08:58 i think it's one of the stupid ones, though Oct 04 18:09:05 you can make one with queen beecon Oct 04 18:24:43 Did any of your hardcore people replace the battery with some 'enhanced' one? Oct 04 18:24:51 you* Oct 04 18:25:23 iirc estel did Oct 04 18:25:36 and a bunch of people on forums Oct 04 18:26:05 fasta: do not worry about the wifi. Oct 04 18:26:38 look on tmo for battery thread, you will find details of a 1500mah battery. Oct 04 18:26:57 vi__: I get about 4 hours of wifi I think, without actually using it. Oct 04 18:27:18 please elaborate Oct 04 18:27:28 that's about what you get without wifi powersaving Oct 04 18:27:49 wifi connected but idle, and wifi powersaving working, and you'd get days Oct 04 18:27:52 ShadowJK: is wifi powersaving what I need to turn on on the router? Oct 04 18:28:12 4 hours of battery life?? Oct 04 18:28:25 vi__: yeah, short life, isn't it? Oct 04 18:28:35 Your phone is fucked. Oct 04 18:28:36 got a polarcell, much improvement on the stock nokia one Oct 04 18:28:44 Complete reflash and start again. Oct 04 18:28:59 4 hours! idle? Oct 04 18:29:04 vi__: how long is your battery life? Oct 04 18:29:26 streaming music over wifi today i was burning off about 250mA Oct 04 18:29:28 sixwheeledbeast: with wifi on with one of the AP apps. Oct 04 18:29:38 so that is about 5 hours. Oct 04 18:29:40 sixwheeledbeast: and the weather app. Oct 04 18:29:51 constant music streaming. Oct 04 18:30:02 potentially 6. Oct 04 18:30:17 Is there some way to measure how much cycles the battery has had? Oct 04 18:30:24 many* Oct 04 18:31:34 unless you have never changed battery/done learn mode then no. Oct 04 18:36:09 how old is your battery? Oct 04 18:37:16 vi__: between 1 and 2 years. Oct 04 18:50:19 fasta: probably a combination of depleted battery, crappy router with non-working powersaving (or maybe you have windows PCs in the lan, they tend to spam the hell out of broadcast messages so powersaving doesn't work, pretty much), that widget that keeps exchanging data Oct 04 18:51:01 kerio: I think I have it in power hungry mode (the router), because previously it wasn't working at all. Oct 04 18:51:06 kerio: I will change that now. Oct 04 18:52:48 kerio: I can't really find the setting now. It's a relatively new router. I think it should support it. Oct 04 18:53:25 it's not something that you enable, really Oct 04 18:53:29