**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 20 03:00:03 2012 Oct 20 03:28:31 you can apt-get install=camera-ui of a certain version Oct 20 03:28:34 lemme check Oct 20 03:28:49 apt-get install --reinstall camera-ui=1.1.29.1+0m5 Oct 20 03:53:25 Hurrian, thanks i will try it out in a few minutes Oct 20 06:00:57 Hurrian, worked like a charm Oct 20 06:01:22 hurrian did you install thumb? Oct 20 06:03:14 i am about to install thumb but i am confused by this http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 this is for 32bit though Oct 20 06:08:15 can someone help me install thumb? Oct 20 06:45:01 iluminator105: that's the toolchain, you don't need it as a user Oct 20 06:45:27 stardiviner: change the batteries *quickly* Oct 20 06:45:46 as in, try to leave the n900 unpowered for at most a second Oct 20 06:47:03 kerio: I tried that, no matter how quick I change, It always time reset randomly. Oct 20 06:48:19 kerio: and now, I'm updating FAM catalogs, already 1.5 hours. really .... Oct 20 06:49:20 kerio is there a auto installer for thumb Oct 20 06:50:26 ~cssu-thumb Oct 20 06:50:27 hmm... cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Oct 20 06:50:32 stardiviner: what the fuck Oct 20 06:50:37 no, that's not normal Oct 20 06:51:11 kerio: yes, I know, very weird, So I'm trying to update from terminal console. command : apt-get update. Oct 20 06:51:56 kerio: GPG key expired .... three errors. Oct 20 06:52:11 on downloads.maemo.com Oct 20 06:54:08 damnit Oct 20 06:54:14 i sure wish my damn n900 would work on att 3G Oct 20 06:54:17 heh Oct 20 06:54:24 this week i'm getting an e7.. hell with it Oct 20 06:54:47 i want a qwerty and am so sick of every single phone attaching your life to google, ms, or apple Oct 20 06:54:52 stardiviner: it's not an error, it's a warning Oct 20 06:55:51 kerio: What should I do ? Oct 20 06:55:58 stardiviner: for instance, stop using fapman Oct 20 06:56:04 it's kinda awful Oct 20 06:56:19 it's probably choking up on that expired key Oct 20 06:56:27 kerio: use N900 default HAM ? but I found it is very slow. Oct 20 06:56:32 it is Oct 20 06:56:45 use apt, if you think you know what you're doing Oct 20 06:57:17 kerio: ok, then what about aptitude ? Oct 20 06:57:30 it should be about as fast as apt Oct 20 06:57:31 kerio: Is it good on N900 ? Oct 20 06:57:47 idk Oct 20 06:58:01 kerio: idk ? what's that ? Oct 20 06:58:08 I Don't Know Oct 20 06:58:25 kerio: ??? You said idk Oct 20 06:58:48 i started the thumb install how long does it take Oct 20 06:58:56 iluminator105: a bit Oct 20 06:59:04 keep your phone charged :) Oct 20 06:59:16 e7??? Oct 20 06:59:47 kerio it is at full charge should i plug in the charger too Oct 20 07:00:33 iluminator105: well, it's unlikely to drop too much Oct 20 07:00:34 but still Oct 20 07:01:27 GGon, can e7 be hacked to install maemo? Oct 20 07:05:16 iluminator105: nope Oct 20 07:05:24 maemo fremantle runs on the n900 Oct 20 07:05:25 and that's it Oct 20 07:05:50 how do you know thumb is installed? Oct 20 07:07:51 iluminator105: it reboots at the end Oct 20 07:07:57 i assume HAM is doing its thing now Oct 20 07:08:27 ham said thumb is installed but didnt reboot Oct 20 07:09:31 iluminator105: you only installed the cssu enabler Oct 20 07:09:41 launch it from the menu Oct 20 07:11:07 and READ THE INSTRUCTIONS Oct 20 07:12:26 is there a commandline command that will tell you Oct 20 07:15:04 ham said it installed how can i install it from menu i had cssu testing installed before Oct 20 07:16:28 iluminator105: oh Oct 20 07:16:36 then you have to do a system update Oct 20 07:19:00 does uname differ after install Oct 20 07:20:51 no Oct 20 07:20:59 but you have "thumb" in Settings->About CSSU Oct 20 07:21:01 or something Oct 20 07:23:16 it says cssu meta package not installed? Oct 20 07:26:42 iluminator105: i wish Oct 20 07:26:44 heh Oct 20 07:26:55 iluminator105: eeeew Oct 20 07:26:55 :s Oct 20 07:27:03 iluminator105: sudo apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr Oct 20 07:27:16 wtf have you done to your n900 Oct 20 07:31:06 good thing i didnt restart if i did i would been f---ed Oct 20 07:34:09 thumb installing for actual this time around Oct 20 07:37:24 didnt restart this time either? Oct 20 07:41:53 reboot Oct 20 07:41:59 i assume apt-get installed a bunch of stuff Oct 20 07:45:25 reboot its a success although i dont feel it be particularly any faster though Oct 20 07:47:26 is anyone using maemeemo how is it? Oct 20 08:05:44 hi!looking for a solution to control my pc with my n900's accelerometer,but bluemaemo from extras devel uninstallable.any substitution?thanks Oct 20 08:25:20 how do you check free space in maemo i usually df -l but thats not workin Oct 20 08:31:53 isbnkeeper sucks is there a similar program like that that is better Oct 20 08:58:49 (( stardiviner: change the batteries *quickly*)) my battery changing method leaves device unpowered for only like 0.1s Oct 20 08:59:02 DocScrutinizer06: my old one too Oct 20 08:59:22 lift the battery a bit, start sliding the new battery below, remove the old one and shove the new one in Oct 20 09:00:41 kerio: DocScrutinizer06 But I do not know when the system is shutdown, The LED indicator light will closed before system is totally shutdown. Oct 20 09:01:01 there's a trick Oct 20 09:01:10 push power button Oct 20 09:01:34 when it's not ramping up white LED, it's not yet powered down completely Oct 20 09:01:50 *short* ! (< 2s) Oct 20 09:03:05 not funny Oct 20 09:07:52 not a joke Oct 20 09:09:08 DocScrutinizer06: we really need a better handling of the led, turning it off as the *last* action before shutdown Oct 20 09:10:52 meh, really complicated Oct 20 09:12:22 how can I right click in easy debian?\ Oct 20 09:12:30 we *might* get a patch into KP Oct 20 09:17:45 kerio: how's about a totally faked shutdown signalling? Let LP5523 do a oneshot white-LED program, that keeps LED powered for another 10s before shutting it down Oct 20 09:18:07 but that would be cheeeeeeeeeating Oct 20 09:18:19 occasionally we could retrigger it in init 0 Oct 20 09:18:47 and what if it hasn't shat down (sic!) in 10 seconds? Oct 20 09:19:00 occasionally we could retrigger it in init 0 Oct 20 09:19:22 shutdown tearing down a lot of processes Oct 20 09:19:50 it could as well occasionally retrigger LED Oct 20 09:20:37 that's about what i said Oct 20 09:20:40 we just need to guarantee that kernel will shutdown in <10s after init0 'loop' ended Oct 20 09:20:43 except that we turn it off right before closing Oct 20 09:21:12 kerio: there's no more proper process to do that, at that time Oct 20 09:21:55 sure there is, the kernel :) Oct 20 09:22:16 [2012-10-20 11:12:30] we *might* get a patch into KP Oct 20 09:23:07 TBH I have NFC how very late teardown of a linux system works Oct 20 09:23:10 :-o Oct 20 09:23:45 Pali: is there some place to put a "shut down *all* the leds! _ò/" command that gets executed right before the shutdown? Oct 20 09:24:07 too generic a question Oct 20 09:24:22 Pali: what's the last function call in shutdown? Oct 20 09:24:47 and who's doing that function-call Oct 20 09:26:05 is it like "1 init does execve() to /sbin/killmeforgood, which throws the masterswitch and never returns"? Oct 20 09:26:17 put upstart script to /etc/event.d/ and add "start on shutdown" Oct 20 09:26:45 DocScrutinizer05: ill-putted, execve() never returns :) Oct 20 09:26:52 yeah Oct 20 09:26:59 is queen bee widget a malware? Oct 20 09:27:10 ...wat? D: Oct 20 09:27:14 quenn beecon? nah! Oct 20 09:27:26 queen beecon? Oct 20 09:27:50 not afaik Oct 20 09:29:25 nobody with decent kernel / system knowledge around? c'mon, which process shuts down power in a linux? Oct 20 09:30:13 DocScrutinizer05: i suppose we're even lucky something *does* shut down power Oct 20 09:30:16 (hint: printf("the system is beeing powered down now...") Oct 20 09:30:26 my sheevaplug stays powered, i have to powercycle it or hit the reset button to start it again Oct 20 09:30:48 * DocScrutinizer05 suspects apmd Oct 20 09:30:53 or acpid Oct 20 09:32:07 DocScrutinizer05: it can't be something with a "d" Oct 20 09:32:11 everything is shut down there Oct 20 09:34:00 indeed the *d are not taking an active role in shutdown Oct 20 09:34:27 execve *can* returns Oct 20 09:34:34 and then set errno Oct 20 09:34:48 I'd inclined to think it's indeed kernel itself that does the main powerswitch toggling Oct 20 09:36:26 Pali: i assumed the call was successful Oct 20 09:36:32 Pali: what is kernel supposed to do when init process quits? Oct 20 09:36:50 when init quit, then kernel panic Oct 20 09:36:56 duh Oct 20 09:37:31 I think it should call shutdown system call (which turn off device) Oct 20 09:37:50 there's a system call for that? so here we are Oct 20 09:42:31 DocScrutinizer05, halt/poweroff/shutdown/reboot/... with correct param calling that system call Oct 20 09:42:55 no, they all just call systemd ;-P Oct 20 09:43:09 no systemd, but upstart :-) Oct 20 09:43:12 ooh wait, maemo not yet completely poetterized Oct 20 09:44:02 (I just went from man shutdown to man systemd, on my desktop machine) Oct 20 09:44:07 but when kernel shuting down it deregistring all devices Oct 20 09:44:27 so you should add needed hook to kernel driver to do something Oct 20 09:44:33 (then puked a little, seeing dbus parameters for systemd, and "Author: Lennart Poettering" Oct 20 09:44:36 ) Oct 20 09:45:00 who is going to fork udev? Oct 20 09:45:09 we? Oct 20 09:45:48 or fork Poettering (treat him with forks) Oct 20 09:46:26 no need :-) Oct 20 09:46:27 http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17877 Oct 20 09:46:37 https://bitbucket.org/braindamaged/udev Oct 20 09:47:12 lennax - "niiiiice" (or actually "EEEEEEEEK!") Oct 20 09:54:21 hi iDont ^_^ Oct 20 09:55:18 yeah Oct 20 09:55:26 poettering needs to be beaten with some kitchen utensils Oct 20 10:00:36 ShadowJK, vi__ : AIUI ramzswap bypasses blkdev queue by mmapping /dev/... backing swap device. Maybe that is why we have awful performance once backing swap is hit Oct 20 10:00:37 jaska: indeed, just it's some years too late. should've happened around the time when he invented PA Oct 20 10:00:53 ~poettering Oct 20 10:00:54 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' Oct 20 10:04:37 half the time i call him potheadring as the exact spelling escapes me Oct 20 10:05:01 i guess actual potheads might find that insulting Oct 20 10:05:57 indeed Oct 20 10:15:20 added a new bookmark folder "systemd/udev" just next to my "ALSA" folder Oct 20 10:15:57 >>"Let's just switch to any crazy idea Lennart can come up with." - Patrick Volkerding<< Oct 20 10:18:22 that's what I call bad luck: https://github.com/lennax Oct 20 10:22:18 mm, systemd is great. Oct 20 10:22:43 kerio: hi! Oct 20 10:22:52 was afk for a while Oct 20 10:25:08 http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=236 LOL! applause! YEAH! Oct 20 10:26:32 hahah :D Oct 20 10:27:47 it's especially funny because those two points are incredibly valid Oct 20 10:40:23 akls: ~vi-kbd Oct 20 10:40:46 Y U NO WORK?? Oct 20 10:40:52 ~vi-kbd Oct 20 10:40:53 somebody said vi-kbd was http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Oct 20 10:41:28 Skry: did you get super mod to work? Oct 20 10:43:29 kerio: apt remove osso-startup-wizard to get rid of the annoying time setter thing. Oct 20 10:43:47 obviously you still have to set the clock. Oct 20 10:45:28 what would be good would be a dialog that would remember at least the year and 12/24h clock. This dialog would let you quickly set the time by typing in some numbers instead of fighting with the stupid hildon clockface thing. Oct 20 10:46:13 or perhaps even give you 2 extra buttons. 1. use gps to get the time and set it. Oct 20 10:46:31 2. use the internet to get the time and set it. Oct 20 10:47:31 osso-startup-wizard can go suck a fuck. The way it replaces RX-51 file and some various directories in /usr/share. Oct 20 10:47:54 I have no idead where it keeps its backups of these files. Oct 20 10:49:00 vi__: gps won't work at all, unless you set up the time somewhat correctly Oct 20 10:49:15 and you need the network anyway Oct 20 10:54:13 Skry: systemd is ~poettering, it obviously tries to redefine large parts of how a sane system boot is supposed to work, obsoleteting and neglecting purpose of such things like init s (singleuser), and the true purpose of /usr which is *meant* to allow a system to boot without it being mounted (for all who might got confused: usr never been rekater to "user", it's "unix shareable resources" or sth like that) Oct 20 10:54:53 ~optification Oct 20 10:54:54 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Oct 20 10:55:56 basically poettering argues that systems like N900 are no longer supported by contemporary linuxd Oct 20 10:57:22 besides the fact that the anti-point 2 >>Lennart Poettering is an asshole.<< seems pretty correct to me Oct 20 10:58:31 which is no good anti-point of this sracastic post, but nevertheless it doesn't invalidate why systemd is broken by concept Oct 20 10:59:05 DocScrutinizer05, why don't you send him a patch? Oct 20 10:59:13 a patch? Oct 20 10:59:17 a cyanide patch Oct 20 10:59:19 patch for what? Oct 20 10:59:24 for everything Oct 20 10:59:26 jaska: yeah Oct 20 10:59:36 srsly, you get systemd for free, you get it COMPLETELY for free. Oct 20 10:59:46 thats like saying you get aids for free Oct 20 11:00:08 I also get dioxin waste for free, hell they even pay me to take it Oct 20 11:00:36 Did you guys srsly just compare aids/toxic waste with systemd? Oct 20 11:00:55 indeed Oct 20 11:00:58 nah, just trolling and gotta go :3 Oct 20 11:01:03 have fun Oct 20 11:05:31 the original unix architect put quite a considerable amount of thought into general system architecture - /usr being part of that - and now fools like Poettering rush all over it, don't grok what it's meant for or what's the potential benefits, neither they grok how their very special but kinda niche system property requirements could get covered by this very comprehensive system architecture, and thus they wreck it for the perceived " Oct 20 11:05:32 modern" and "much better cruft-free" abominations of their own invention Oct 20 11:05:58 s/architect/architects/ Oct 20 11:06:08 o.O Oct 20 11:06:18 infobot: uptime Oct 20 11:07:04 vi__: do you have a good one-shot ntp client handy? Oct 20 11:07:25 DocScrutinizer05: you too Oct 20 11:07:29 openntpd -$right-parameter Oct 20 11:08:30 it's supposed to replace ntpdate/ntptime, just it doesn't allow to _only_ print date from ntp server _without_ same time setting systemclock Oct 20 11:08:44 I'm missing this feature of original ntpdate very much Oct 20 11:08:59 DocScrutinizer05: sadly, the "openntpd" on maemo.org seems to not be openntpd at all Oct 20 11:09:12 o.O Oct 20 11:09:43 http://maemo.org/packages/view/openntpd/ Oct 20 11:09:46 yeah, well, good luck booting without /usr be it sysvinit or systemd. systemd also has concepts of something similar to runlevels. Oct 20 11:10:06 Skry: the **whole point** of /usr is to be able to boot without it Oct 20 11:10:10 indeed Oct 20 11:10:13 IroN900:~# ntpd --help Oct 20 11:10:14 ntpd: invalid option -- - Oct 20 11:10:15 usage: ntpd [-dSs] [-f file] Oct 20 11:10:16 or, rather, to get everything you need to mount /usr outside of it Oct 20 11:11:22 kerio: actually you're supposed to be able to run init s with a corrupted /usr Oct 20 11:11:29 or no /usr at all Oct 20 11:11:33 hm, that too Oct 20 11:12:03 if any of those retards ever had serviced a corrupted/broken unix server, they'd have knowns what /usr is menat for Oct 20 11:13:19 but those problems only happened when there was no journaling! they're fixed now! Oct 20 11:13:23 /s Oct 20 11:14:15 and the undeniable fact that nowadays a lot of "system integrators" like Nokia have NFC about how to handle that stuff correctly, thus placing PA into /usr/bin and then claiming boot isn't possible with no /usr mounted since then the shaking-hands video will bork bootup since no audio available at that time -oh well, is this /usr fault? Oct 20 11:15:02 is systemd and messing up FHS any cure for the NFC of Nokia et al? Oct 20 11:16:14 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, it's nokia's fault for wanting a fucking video with sound during boot Oct 20 11:16:25 exactly Oct 20 11:16:28 but it could've been done easily by mounting /usr *afterwards*! Oct 20 11:16:31 er Oct 20 11:16:34 *beforehand* Oct 20 11:17:00 no, wait, "but it could've been done easily by mounting /usr and then showing the video *afterwards*!" is better Oct 20 11:17:14 DocScrutinizer05: why don't we run the official ntpd from ntp.org? Oct 20 11:17:20 if they'd be somewhat clever about that, they'd have a lean yet statically linked binary that directly interfaces framebuffer and audio-codec, and be done with it Oct 20 11:17:31 (ntpd) nfc Oct 20 11:18:43 (shaking hands video) but nooooo, they decide they need /usr/bin to be part of early boot since PA lives there Oct 20 11:19:53 that's the result to give coding momkeys with no clue about system architecture the power to decide about that system architecture, so it will meet their ill-defined needs Oct 20 11:20:39 whol eoptification abomination is a result of just that Oct 20 11:21:49 DocScrutinizer05: hahaha, the ntp configure script checks for every header file one by one Oct 20 11:22:22 hell, it's not engraved in granite that PA has to be in /usr/bin or /usr/lib, it's up to distro maintainers to decide where the packages have to reside Oct 20 11:23:31 so either keep friggin PA out of early boot completely, or move PA and its needed stuff into the corresponding directories meant to be actually available during early boot Oct 20 11:23:50 DocScrutinizer05: or mount /usr early! Oct 20 11:23:52 it's not hard! Oct 20 11:23:59 exactly Oct 20 11:23:59 you need one fucking kernel module Oct 20 11:25:24 the whole debate about fucking up /usr is like "but there's XY in /usr/bin, so we need to get /usr/bin accessable during early boot since we need XY". That's a fundamentally ill concept Oct 20 11:27:06 the distinction between /bin and /usr/bin (or /lib and /usr/lib, you name it) is entirely based on whether the particular binary IS or IS NOT needed in single-user mode and/or during early boot Oct 20 11:27:16 who are you telling this, btw? Oct 20 11:27:23 the #maemo irclog? Oct 20 11:27:28 the chanlog Oct 20 11:27:33 yep Oct 20 11:27:35 he's probably bored of it by now Oct 20 11:28:20 DocScrutinizer05: I'm going to have to disagree with that explanation. Oct 20 11:29:15 DocScrutinizer05: The one I heard was basically that back in the day, when unix was being developed, the hard drives were so small, they had to add more and more drives to the system, every single one on a new mount point. Oct 20 11:30:30 yep, and the stuff on /usr even shareable between several machines, since HDD were expensive Oct 20 11:31:15 it's also about security, i guess Oct 20 11:31:24 /usr can be read-only Oct 20 11:31:30 so you'd move everything not strictly needed during early boottime from /(s)bin to /usr/(s)bin Oct 20 11:32:23 so you gain some space on your crowded 200MB of root/ Oct 20 11:32:47 and still can boot up system to at very least single-user mode to fix stuff Oct 20 11:33:17 Poettering obviously never wrapped his head around that Oct 20 11:33:47 as never did Nokia/Maemo distro maintainers Oct 20 11:34:19 it's NOT like /usr/bin been invented *before* /bin Oct 20 11:34:32 in very early days there's been no /usr Oct 20 11:34:39 kerio: security has little to do with it. Users should only have write perms to their /home/$USER dir, and that's it. It doesn't really matter in how many directories are separated the binaries. Oct 20 11:35:12 when /usr got "invented", you'd move all the stuff that may, from /*/* to /usr/*/* Oct 20 11:36:50 it's basically the sysadmin's decision what he thinks is needed to make a working singleuser system, and keep that stuff in /*, while moving the rest to /usr/* Oct 20 11:36:54 /usr/local, initially, was where people could install things for a specific machine, because /usr was mounted from nfs. Oct 20 11:37:35 yeah, /usr/local/ is in fact a tad weird in that regard Oct 20 11:37:52 well, it's really useful these days Oct 20 11:38:05 Especially if you're a dev who uses autoconf/autotools. Oct 20 11:38:12 I've seen systems where it linked back to a dir on "local" HDD, from the volume mounted under /usr Oct 20 11:39:12 keep in mind that /usr is meant to possibly *share* it between several machines Oct 20 11:39:35 while /usr/local is... well, _local_ Oct 20 11:40:06 Poettering? /usr? Are we discussing systemd? Oct 20 11:40:11 these days, /usr/local is mostly a directory that is left unscathed by the system's package manager. Oct 20 11:40:12 yep Oct 20 11:40:58 "these days" is no applicable term for basing general architecture decisions on it, usually Oct 20 11:42:21 "these days" we got a (maemo N900) system that in many respects looks like a PC of 1995, or a minicomputer of 1980, regarding partition sizes and resources in general Oct 20 11:42:25 imo, it was weird for systemd to not support mounting /usr, as many people put usr on some compressed filesystem of sorts on embedded systems Oct 20 11:43:10 yep Oct 20 11:44:14 but Poettering - with systemd - deliberately defined systems like N900 as "not supported nowadays by linux anymore" Oct 20 11:44:31 what a brainfuck Oct 20 11:44:39 why depend on /usr crap, I don't know. systemd IS a "under the hood" program, therefore it should be allowed to store crap in /bin Oct 20 11:45:33 oh, right, systemd config files. Oct 20 11:46:53 wait, wait, why are systemd config files in /usr/lib? Oct 20 11:47:06 someone remind me why Poettering opted not to store them in /etc Oct 20 11:47:09 http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 Oct 20 14:25:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1253582&postcount=137 Oct 20 14:25:31 but how can I install one of these images? Oct 20 14:26:06 can I simply extract it, then use resize2fs 3072M and then simply put it on my n900? Oct 20 14:34:01 akls: you're aware that's for *meego* *HARMATTAN*? Oct 20 14:41:16 DocScrutinizer05, so it's not going to work on maemo? Oct 20 14:43:37 is there a wheezy image for maemo? :\ Oct 20 14:46:44 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=34550&page=283 Oct 20 14:46:49 that's the image for maemo Oct 20 14:46:54 it's exactly the same Oct 20 14:55:35 please never quote http://forums.internettablettalk.com URLs here (or anywhere else) - there's talk.maemo.org for that Oct 20 15:02:22 I'm having problems with kp51 and thumb... installed the thumb2 compiled decoders and extra decoders support 0.4... gstreamer0.10-flv/mkv...deb didn't get installed (broken pipe, overwrite failed) which blocked me from installing anything else Oct 20 15:03:02 used dpkg with --force-overwrite Oct 20 15:04:15 entitled: why the hell did you do that Oct 20 15:04:23 no idea Oct 20 15:04:41 thought the thumb2 one didn't have all of the codecs Oct 20 15:05:26 libmpcdec3/musepack/decoder-support now give dependancy problems Oct 20 15:06:23 I suppose reflash is only easy way out of this? and next time only install the thumb2 decodecs? Oct 20 15:07:53 entitled: to be fair you shouldn't get dependency problems Oct 20 15:08:00 unless those problems also existed outside of cssu-thumb Oct 20 15:08:11 there's no such thing as "thumb2 codecs" Oct 20 15:08:28 freemangordon: you know more than me about cssu-thumb *and* codecs Oct 20 15:10:05 I am sure there is a thumb2 decoder inside the cortex core =) Oct 20 15:10:06 I meant the codec pack compiled for thumb, gstreamer O.10 Oct 20 15:10:08 * RST38h cackles Oct 20 15:12:40 http://pastebin.com/FQbfL4gd Oct 20 15:14:30 freemangordon; yeah i dont think ioscheduler matters much for any swap Oct 20 17:20:51 LOL Oct 20 17:20:59 easy debian orientation button is wrong :DDD Oct 20 17:21:05 :DD Oct 20 17:31:40 DocScrutinizer51: ping Oct 20 17:32:17 vi__: pong Oct 20 17:32:54 DocScrutinizer05: am I correct in thinking you use sipgate account on the n900? Oct 20 17:33:03 sure Oct 20 17:33:15 on N900, N810, N950, and N9 Oct 20 17:33:30 fun when inbound call Oct 20 17:33:50 actually even on two N900 Oct 20 17:33:50 why? Oct 20 17:34:15 oh, they all go off at once! Oct 20 17:34:27 I cannot get mine to work at all. Oct 20 17:34:29 since all UAs start to ring, and when you pick up the call on one, it's logged as "missed call" on all the others Oct 20 17:34:43 can I confirm the settings with you. Oct 20 17:34:45 ? Oct 20 17:34:50 sure Oct 20 17:35:33 what's your registrar? Oct 20 17:35:38 address is: 1499559@sipgate.co.uk Oct 20 17:35:44 err sipgate, nm Oct 20 17:36:19 you can confirm this is the correct format? Oct 20 17:36:32 yes Oct 20 17:36:59 mine is 6 digits, but... Oct 20 17:37:20 maybe you are older user. Oct 20 17:37:25 indeed Oct 20 17:39:46 extended settings: "use for phonecalls", "transport: auto", no proxy, "port: 5060", "[X] autodetect public IP", "[X] loose routing", "keepalive: auto", "keepalive period: auto", "[X] auto stun detect" Oct 20 17:40:13 NO proxy, NO display name Oct 20 17:40:28 not even dare to edit display name, you can't ever delete it Oct 20 17:40:42 err, username Oct 20 17:40:49 well, it's the same Oct 20 17:42:26 scratch that, I can't count - my account as well has 7 digits Oct 20 17:45:21 maybe enabled loose-routing is not correct Oct 20 17:45:56 vi__: you're using it over a WLAN-router? Oct 20 17:48:56 ? Oct 20 17:48:56 ? Oct 20 17:49:04 wtf disconnected Oct 20 17:49:07 DocScrutinizer51: Oct 20 17:49:16 DocScrutinizer51: did you receive my ty? Oct 20 17:49:24 nope Oct 20 17:49:42 did you receive my lengthy config listing? Oct 20 17:49:43 did you hear my gratuitous cursing? Oct 20 17:49:50 no Oct 20 17:49:53 ok Oct 20 17:49:56 WELL FUCK ME. Oct 20 17:50:01 tmobile uk are blocking sip ports. Oct 20 17:50:06 THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS. Oct 20 17:50:11 try port 5070 Oct 20 17:50:13 DocScrutinizer05: ty for your help. Oct 20 17:50:20 I look forward to the day I get to buy you a 568ml fermented hops beverage. Oct 20 17:50:32 5070? Oct 20 17:50:35 brb Oct 20 17:52:21 vi__: old news Oct 20 17:52:25 vi__: and it's not sip port Oct 20 17:52:29 it's dpi Oct 20 17:52:35 hm? Oct 20 17:52:48 dpi? Oct 20 17:52:53 deep packet inspection Oct 20 17:52:58 meh Oct 20 17:53:06 as in, you can have sip going over 80 and it will still be blocked Oct 20 17:53:24 fucktards, I'll use SIPS then Oct 20 17:53:24 jacekowski: how to gypsy spi? Oct 20 17:53:42 hail O2 Oct 20 17:53:42 ^dpi Oct 20 17:53:52 o2 allow this? Oct 20 17:53:55 yep Oct 20 17:54:21 so no ssh proxy tunnel to my home connection? Oct 20 17:54:33 should work Oct 20 17:54:34 you can do it over ssh or something Oct 20 17:54:43 but that's going to increase latencies Oct 20 17:54:56 not that bad Oct 20 17:55:12