**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 23 03:00:01 2012 Oct 23 10:35:11 jade, hey!!! Oct 23 10:39:27 can somebody help me logging in to maemo.org ? :\ Oct 23 11:14:27 how do enable motion detection with n900 camera Oct 23 11:15:34 find a nice foss linux package doing that on generic v4l2 devices, and port to maemo Oct 23 11:15:47 if nobody else already did Oct 23 11:17:22 also how do enable the camera to record until space is full or record first record first erase video Oct 23 11:18:08 hmm? Oct 23 11:18:41 newer version of the camera only record for 36 minutes old one did 75 minutes strange Oct 23 11:19:32 related to 2GB max filesize on FAT maybe? Oct 23 11:20:29 but still you can keep recording in segments though Oct 23 11:21:00 fat32? its 4gb - 1 byte max :) Oct 23 11:21:00 I doubt a gstreamer pipe like used for cam can do that Oct 23 11:21:25 prolly needs a circular writer made for it Oct 23 11:21:48 jaska: then why end all my logs and media files I record at 2GB? Oct 23 11:22:04 well then camera flash pics with motion detection Oct 23 11:22:37 no idea, maybe they thought it was a good idea to stop at 2g :| Oct 23 11:24:36 no, I think your claim about max filesize on FAT is incorrect Oct 23 11:24:53 very well, i'll prove myself right then <.< Oct 23 11:27:09 it's 4gb Oct 23 11:27:21 for sure Oct 23 11:27:47 is it ok that my volume keys are not working when calling? Oct 23 11:28:02 no Oct 23 11:28:34 /dev/loop0 6279168 4 6279164 1% /mnt Oct 23 11:28:42 /dev/loop0 on /mnt type vfat (rw) Oct 23 11:29:41 dd if=/dev/zero of=foofile bs=1024k Oct 23 11:29:41 dd: writing `foofile': File too large Oct 23 11:29:44 4294967295 bytes (4,3 GB) copied, 39,0689 s, 110 MB/s Oct 23 11:30:39 peeps, RGB are 32bit in byte, but maybe linux is using a signed 32bit for the file related function calls (you know, negative return = error) Oct 23 11:30:52 4GB Oct 23 11:31:14 well, dd is showing decimalgb i guess Oct 23 11:31:23 so that makes 1bit less, aka 31bit, aka 2GB Oct 23 11:31:32 but 4294967295 = 2^32-1 Oct 23 11:31:38 not 2^31 Oct 23 11:31:59 so what? Oct 23 11:32:17 that the max file size is what i said Oct 23 11:32:19 not 2g Oct 23 11:32:24 thanls for confirming Oct 23 11:32:32 nope Oct 23 11:32:44 31bit = 2GB Oct 23 11:32:58 bit 32 is sign Oct 23 11:35:26 int32 filesize() can return up to 2GB size, or error (=negative return value) Oct 23 11:36:51 well. some crappy software might do that, and linux before large file support Oct 23 11:40:07 see? Oct 23 11:40:15 that's why maemo does that Oct 23 11:40:46 since for sure they haven't thought about including 64bit file subsystem to a embedded device Oct 23 11:41:27 and nobody doubts camera and audiorecorder are crappy software ;-P Oct 23 11:41:47 i wonder if watchdog will hit me if i write 4gb on a microsd on the phone <.< Oct 23 11:42:15 after all, what could they gain with 64boit support? another one bit in filesize, since FAT can't handle >4GB anyway Oct 23 11:42:35 hmmm bbl Oct 23 11:42:36 jade, Oct 23 11:42:46 lets see if it reboots before it writes 0xffffffff bytes Oct 23 11:42:56 jade, hey :\ Oct 23 11:43:13 jaska: eh? Oct 23 11:43:28 i know .avi cant go past 2gb.. atleast standard Oct 23 11:43:57 what kind of i386 cpu can quad core 1.4ghz arm cortex a9 compares to? Oct 23 11:44:08 s/compares/compare/ Oct 23 11:45:36 a hypothetical 1ghz atom? Oct 23 11:46:18 hmm, display turned off, not responding to slider or kbd <.< Oct 23 11:46:33 backlight is on tho Oct 23 11:46:44 ah, now it reacted Oct 23 11:49:48 ShadowJK, 1GHz atom of 2008 Oct 23 11:50:05 hahaha, apparently some phones contain barometer Oct 23 11:50:10 what next :) Oct 23 11:50:26 atomic timesource. Oct 23 11:51:03 ...now you can have very high precision timers to time your bookface postings! Oct 23 11:51:18 hahaha Oct 23 11:51:54 really impressive devices nowadays Oct 23 11:52:03 how about calling Oct 23 11:52:04 :) Oct 23 11:52:26 the N900 makes calls? Oct 23 11:52:27 who knew? Oct 23 11:54:19 anyone ideas how I could get back the status led and keyboard background light on my N900 Oct 23 11:54:27 noticed a couple of days ago it's gone again Oct 23 11:54:44 tried the classic trick of turning it off, removing battery, re-attach battery Oct 23 11:54:46 but no use Oct 23 11:54:58 Gh0sty, are you in R&D mode? Oct 23 11:56:22 how do i know that? Oct 23 11:57:21 like... 4g, 3g, 2g, wifi 11abgn 2.4+5ghz, fm radio, gps+glonass, bt, nfc, usb+mhl, accelerometer, gyroscope, compass, barometer... yea, impressive feature count nowadays Oct 23 11:57:34 somehow, temperature sensor seems to be gone? Oct 23 11:57:36 Gh0sty, if you don't know RD mode, you don't have it Oct 23 11:57:38 found in some phones Oct 23 11:58:07 ketas, temp sensing is only for on-die or on-battery Oct 23 11:58:11 some sites said leave the battery out longer Oct 23 11:58:27 others said that you need to plug in the charger when the battery is out ... Oct 23 11:58:27 Hurrian: well, but you can read it out, right? Oct 23 11:58:38 tried that too but didnt reset it it seems Oct 23 11:58:58 when I plug in the adapter without battery the status led lights up orange bright briefly Oct 23 11:59:12 maybe mce is frigged Oct 23 11:59:15 left out the battery for a whole night even just to test but ... no go :( Oct 23 11:59:29 ketas: all those are integrated into single ubga chips that take up maybe 1mm^2 on pcb Oct 23 11:59:32 Hurrian: last phone i remember had actual temp sensor was some old nokia Oct 23 11:59:36 ketas: each one of those* Oct 23 12:00:13 jacekowski: bt in 1mm2? Oct 23 12:00:30 we aren't THAT good, last time i checked Oct 23 12:03:04 i wonder about if one can just make one chip Oct 23 12:03:14 together with plasma antenna on chip Oct 23 12:04:37 shielding can be pita i guess Oct 23 12:08:14 If I move my usb connector just a little bit it says "Disconnected". is it ok or should I start worrying about my usb port falling off? Oct 23 12:09:51 * ShadowJK 'd worry Oct 23 12:10:22 akls: is usb port loose? Oct 23 12:10:49 akls: use something like toothpick to poke it Oct 23 12:11:51 ketas, hmm, no Oct 23 12:12:19 strange if it has intermittent contact Oct 23 12:12:27 try other cables Oct 23 12:12:44 loose microusb port on pcb can be really hard to fix Oct 23 12:13:00 know what :O Oct 23 12:13:03 now it works OK Oct 23 12:13:19 maybe I have scared the shit out of it? Oct 23 12:14:39 did you threatened to hit it with hammer Oct 23 12:15:05 meh, death threats to phone Oct 23 12:15:22 do you feel it vibrating from fear? Oct 23 12:15:25 :) Oct 23 12:15:37 "omg, i'm going to die..." Oct 23 12:15:44 well, this device is smarter than I thought Oct 23 12:17:52 someone commented that barometer might help with gps Oct 23 12:17:58 well, true Oct 23 12:21:06 where the F is that FMG? Oct 23 12:22:55 and still, why am I unable to login to maemo.org ? -____- Oct 23 12:23:38 anyone remember who did translations hereish? Oct 23 12:27:58 I can login in garage.maemo.org but can't on maemo.org Oct 23 12:30:32 or is there something I don't understand? Oct 23 12:35:45 akls: how old is your account Oct 23 12:35:53 chem|st, 3 days Oct 23 12:36:47 akls: seems the login-distribution script is hung or so... Oct 23 12:37:06 X-Fade: are you still looking after that stuff? Oct 23 12:37:16 akls garage and talk use differnt log ins Oct 23 12:37:28 you have to create seperate accounts for each. Oct 23 12:37:43 akls: ah yes to mention talk.maemo.org is not maemo.org Oct 23 12:38:56 but when I press "register" at maemo.org it redirects me to garage.maemo.org Oct 23 12:40:16 akls: yes maemo.org is from garage.maemo.org, we just wanted clarification that you are not trying to logon to talk.m.o Oct 23 12:41:30 akls: then you have to wait for someone recognizing and fixing the cronjob Oct 23 12:43:27 well, I'm trying to login at https://maemo.org/ Oct 23 12:43:33 and it says nothing Oct 23 12:43:43 the password is correct, I can login at garage.maemo.org Oct 23 12:53:29 akls: have you cleared your cache? cookies etc? Oct 23 13:01:06 ugh. Oct 23 13:01:56 iirc some parts of the website are buggy in https, and other way around Oct 23 13:02:14 the ackage voting comes to mind, I have to edit URLs to get that to work Oct 23 13:04:29 hmm, watchdog interrupted my dd :( Oct 23 13:13:11 jaska, have you tried one of these tweaks? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1200669&postcount=2704 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1873316 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1873364 Oct 23 13:14:45 chem|st, yep Oct 23 13:16:12 chem|st, still doesn't work Oct 23 13:24:01 akls: then you have to wait... Oct 23 13:32:44 ohyeah login annoynces. Nokia and meego been best, nothing but FF with *absolute* default config re cookie handling worked Oct 23 13:34:21 wazzup with infobot? Oct 23 13:40:26 povbot: seen infobot Oct 23 13:40:27 DocScrutinizer51: infobot was last seen in #maemo 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: Yipee! Oct 23 13:40:45 dang Oct 23 13:41:04 ssh reboot time Oct 23 13:46:08 who here has a mugen n900 cover and a micrometer? Oct 23 13:46:28 former but not the latter Oct 23 13:46:36 mmm Oct 23 13:46:46 a high quality ruler? Oct 23 13:46:56 dont think so :| Oct 23 13:47:11 A calibrated piece of string? Oct 23 13:47:42 I am trying to determine the internal dimensions of the cover. Oct 23 13:50:07 might have a vernier caliper at home.. but not here Oct 23 13:54:47 vi_, are you the guy with 3 batteries? Oct 23 13:55:18 akls: I am not sure what you mean. Oct 23 13:55:42 I am intending on making a monstrosity battery for those times I need more beef. Oct 23 13:55:55 There was a member on the forum with 3 batteries connected to n900 Oct 23 13:56:13 or something like that.. Oct 23 13:56:19 But before I order any cells I need to determine the physical constraints of the big cover, Oct 23 13:56:21 haha, the 3 pcs 16450 Oct 23 13:56:27 ]Yeah I saw that. Oct 23 13:56:46 It looked badly made and frankly, dangerous to the user and spectators alike. Oct 23 13:57:15 jade, :| Oct 23 13:57:17 it looked like a too small bomb with too huge timer Oct 23 13:57:35 DocScrutinizer06: do you mean 16340? Oct 23 13:57:48 it been 340? Oct 23 13:57:52 nfc Oct 23 13:58:17 thought he used 16450 Oct 23 13:59:11 why are 18650 called 18650? Oct 23 13:59:21 surely it should be called 1865? Oct 23 13:59:37 18mm diameter, 650mm length Oct 23 13:59:55 650mm Oct 23 13:59:59 a Oct 23 14:00:09 errr Oct 23 14:00:13 hardly Oct 23 14:00:39 650mm battery. Oct 23 14:00:39 nfc, prolly the length is 01mm unit Oct 23 14:00:49 as in CR2533 Oct 23 14:00:51 then why is it not 180650? Oct 23 14:00:55 CR2032 Oct 23 14:00:58 0 at end for round Oct 23 14:01:10 oooh Oct 23 14:01:22 ShadowJK for president Oct 23 14:02:27 CR2032 anyway is 20mm dia, 3.2mm 'length' Oct 23 14:03:05 although wikipedia says millimeters and tenths of millimeters Oct 23 14:03:09 now for friggin lazy infobot... Oct 23 14:03:20 would it be an 1865. Oct 23 14:03:25 for a square one. Oct 23 14:03:30 dammit. Oct 23 14:03:41 cmd does not support real characters. Oct 23 14:04:04 whatever that means Oct 23 14:07:02 the thing I love most about 18650s are the fact that ther seem to vary in legth +/- 5mm around 65mm. Oct 23 14:07:23 s/legth/length Oct 23 14:07:27 s/legth/length/ Oct 23 14:07:53 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 23 14:08:06 infobot: wb Oct 23 14:08:08 It's great to be back! Oct 23 14:11:21 Protected cells made from 18650 often are still called 18650 despite that adding an extra wire from end to end, and adding a circuit at the bottom and/or a buttin/nipple at the top will have made it larger Oct 23 14:12:05 Getting a 18600 made costs a helluva lot more for small batches Oct 23 14:12:26 and factories that will do it are few :) Oct 23 14:13:47 it's useless anyway Oct 23 14:14:28 it's even nice the protected ones are longer - you can make holders so unprotected ones don't even contact Oct 23 14:14:34 I have some here that are 17.3mm Oct 23 14:15:29 0.8mm for ptotection circuit isn't insane Oct 23 14:16:01 or rather, it *is* - insanely thin Oct 23 14:18:07 it's not like there's any 'unused space' in the next to perfect cylinders of bare bones 18650 Oct 23 14:18:33 It's pretty amazing they dont break used in 3 cell flashlights Oct 23 14:18:40 ...where you could put that protection circuit and still keep outer dimensions Oct 23 14:19:40 did I say 17.3? Oct 23 14:19:41 Oddly nobody does that Oct 23 14:19:45 I meant 73mm Oct 23 14:19:49 73mm long. Oct 23 14:20:11 err Oct 23 14:20:22 and I read 7.3cm :-P Oct 23 14:20:38 dang Oct 23 14:20:47 time for COFFEE Oct 23 14:21:00 On the other hand they often run on many different combinations Oct 23 14:21:07 DocScrutinizer05: too right, I may join you. Oct 23 14:22:18 let's move the last 15 lines here to "the WTF IRC nonsense of the week" and forget it ;-P Oct 23 14:25:14 * ShadowJK destroyed a lipo yesterday Oct 23 14:25:35 Doing a very slow 40-hour charge on it Oct 23 14:25:44 but generally just the steel bottom and knob top make a cylindrical cell ~5mm longer than bare bones cell Oct 23 14:25:45 if it keeps voltage maybe I'll put it on ebay lol Oct 23 14:26:52 been the case since ther been NiCad AAA Oct 23 14:27:38 Nimh/nicad seem to typically be on the thicker side Oct 23 14:27:51 the friggin standrad 'capped' cells never did fit into the multicell packs you found in cellphones/whatever Oct 23 14:27:52 but still within the tolerances allowed Oct 23 14:28:40 I recall dremeling off the knob just so often, to repair a dead pack Oct 23 14:29:07 ShadowJK: That would be unethical, Oct 23 14:29:50 vi_BRB_COFFEE; what, selling a potentially damaged battery? That's what ebay is for, and what every battery on there is ;p Oct 23 14:31:22 Hey guys. I've had a lot of trouble with the Mail for Exchange. I've tried google solutions and some solutions from the maemo.org forum. But I always get the error "Error in communication with Exchange server". I've tried syncing in both usual Maemo and CSSU (latest editions). Anyone got pointers or ideas? Oct 23 14:31:45 (Email sync often works, but never calendar or contacts) Oct 23 14:31:47 sell as "3.7V 1.800mAh" ;-P Oct 23 14:32:16 This was a 11.1V 4400 mAh pack :) Oct 23 14:32:42 then make that 11.0V 4.400mAh Oct 23 14:34:34 or 4400µAh Oct 23 14:34:35 dang, someone put a fish in the perculator. Oct 23 14:34:59 Why would they do that? Oct 23 14:35:05 was it fresh? Oct 23 14:35:07 Was it alive? Oct 23 14:35:13 wtf is a perculator? Oct 23 14:35:16 Is it addicted to coffee now? Oct 23 14:35:26 laxsill: What mfe server are you trying to connect to? Oct 23 14:35:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN7k-KjE8wI Oct 23 14:35:54 ~dict perculator Oct 23 14:35:55 ^percolator. Oct 23 14:35:56 could not find definition for perculator Oct 23 14:36:03 ~dict percolator. Oct 23 14:36:06 jade, Oct 23 14:36:09 Dictionary 'percolator.' (1 of 2): \Per"co*la`tor\, n. 1. One who, or that which, filters. "[Tissues] act as percolators." --Henfrey. [1913 Webster] 2. A type of coffee pot in which the heated water is driven by its boiling action up above a porous canister of coffee held above the level of the water in the pot, and then filters (percolates) back through the coffee thus extracting its essence. [Webster 1913 Suppl. +PJC] 3. (Pharmacy) An apparatus ... Oct 23 14:36:36 ahaaa Oct 23 14:36:52 well, I heard of preparing meals in the dish washer Oct 23 14:37:04 What! XD Oct 23 14:37:04 but never of boiling a fish in a percolator Oct 23 14:37:24 I only heard of running alcohol in teh dishwasher Oct 23 14:37:26 might work as well though Oct 23 14:37:45 oooh, alc, that sounds dangerous Oct 23 14:38:14 you seen that @mythbusters? Oct 23 14:38:31 nah that's alc in a microwave ;) Oct 23 14:39:20 vi_: Google. Oct 23 14:39:39 vi_: I'm trying to synd my gmail, google calendar and google contacts to my phone. Oct 23 14:39:48 *sync Oct 23 14:39:58 I don't think that ever worked Oct 23 14:39:59 DocScrutinizer05: I think it was for the heat_ Oct 23 14:41:34 vi_: Any ideas? Oct 23 14:41:56 laxsill: I don't think that ever worked Oct 23 14:42:32 dunno for sure though Oct 23 14:43:18 or maybe it once worked but google broke the API Oct 23 14:43:56 seems I recall discussions about bi-weekly appointments in calendar Oct 23 14:44:04 some 2..3 years ago Oct 23 14:45:47 ask Mohammad- Oct 23 14:46:02 if he's still alive :-o Oct 23 14:46:18 ~seen mohammadAG Oct 23 14:46:24 mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 45d 21h 26m 49s ago, saying: 'will put up an example app'. Oct 23 14:47:07 I guess he never put up that example app. Oct 23 14:47:21 They say, in the end it was the example apps that got him. Oct 23 14:47:44 Such is a life wasted on example apps, we shall not understand. Oct 23 14:49:24 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if Mohammad-'s life at his new location and with university became such interesting or such tough that he muffled completely Oct 23 14:49:57 ~seen Mohammad- Oct 23 14:49:58 i haven't seen 'mohammad-', DocScrutinizer05 Oct 23 14:50:21 means he didn't post a single word Oct 23 14:53:40 ~seen MohammadAG Oct 23 14:53:42 mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 45d 21h 34m 8s ago, saying: 'will put up an example app'. Oct 23 14:54:47 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-10-06.log.html#t2012-10-06T22:54:29 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-09-01.log.html#t2012-09-01T18:09:10 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=mohammad Oct 23 14:55:50 laxsill: I do not think calander works. Oct 23 14:55:57 only contacts and email. Oct 23 14:56:38 and even then it is sketchy. Oct 23 14:56:50 Blame google for not using proper standards. Oct 23 14:56:55 shower of bastards. Oct 23 14:58:40 vi_and DocScrutinizer05: Thanks :-/ Oct 23 14:59:56 laxsill: have you considered using syncml for calander? Oct 23 15:00:06 Or even a middleman like memotoo? Oct 23 15:03:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 Oct 23 15:03:14 oh Oct 23 15:03:16 he has gone. Oct 23 16:07:09 any tweego users in here? Oct 23 16:09:38 what's tweego? Oct 23 16:10:04 meego based backseat entertainment system in twingo? Oct 23 16:12:14 jade, Oct 23 16:13:27 EVOIDMSG Oct 23 16:18:35 DocScrutinizer05: it's a twitter client Oct 23 16:18:38 for maemo Oct 23 16:18:46 formerly named twingo Oct 23 16:19:31 hah, funny Oct 23 16:19:52 did Renault ask for the name change? Oct 23 16:30:20 hm, that's second time in 2 weeks that sgx has hung on my main N900 :/ Oct 23 16:34:04 :-) :-\ Oct 23 16:34:10 :-( Oct 23 16:34:20 How do I open a file from the shell like I would do so from the file manager? Oct 23 16:34:38 That is, how do I invoke the mime type handler from the shell? Oct 23 16:34:53 for example I have calendar.ics. Oct 23 16:35:32 If I open it from osso-file manager it will recognise the type and ask if I would like to import it to the local calendar. Oct 23 16:35:40 How do I do this from the shell? Oct 23 16:37:04 vi_: xdg-open file.ext Oct 23 16:38:24 thats how it should be done, no idea if it works in maemo Oct 23 16:41:04 well, there is no xdg-open program. Oct 23 16:44:12 oh the surprise Oct 23 16:46:15 hmm, looks like there is xdg-utils for diablo Oct 23 16:50:41 and it also exists for harmattan Oct 23 17:04:14 does someone know a simple arbitrary binary data visualization tool, that would basically give me a bitmap of the data and even allow zooming in the hex values or so and stretch it around etc, I basically want the same thing gimp does if you open a file as "Raw image data" but preferably with some hex editor features Oct 23 17:37:54 hexplorer seems to do something like that.. Oct 23 18:24:08 my geek ego can no longer handle my non-geek friends with iphone5s and android- galaxy's making fun of my n900. :( Oct 23 18:25:58 ignore and/or change friends. easy. Oct 23 18:26:32 * ShadowJK thought it was normal that geeks/nerds were made fun of Oct 23 18:28:00 jade, Oct 23 18:28:19 internetishard, what do you mean by "making fun" ? Oct 23 18:28:46 I'm making fun of my android&iphone friends Oct 23 18:29:00 especially when I show them my physical keyboard Oct 23 18:29:06 and say that it has 32gb too Oct 23 18:29:10 and it is from 2009 Oct 23 18:29:30 and costed me only 75€ from hands with just a little scratch. Oct 23 18:30:08 they look at it and tell me "fuck, I've bought my phone for 500€ and it has 32 gb too and no keyboard" Oct 23 18:30:21 and you dont have to break the EULA to get access to a terminal prompt. Oct 23 18:30:34 and that moment they start to understand that something is wrong in their life Oct 23 18:30:34 or "install what you please", rather Oct 23 18:47:11 internetishard, there was a nice thread about it Oct 23 18:48:06 internetishard, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70390 Oct 23 18:52:34 Thanks :) Oct 23 18:52:48 "change friends" -> you guys :P Oct 23 18:57:28 aawww :> Oct 23 19:07:28 hi Oct 23 19:07:37 :> Oct 23 19:07:38 hi Oct 23 19:08:16 has anyone had problems with their 2g/3g connection while using thumb+pk51? Oct 23 19:08:32 jade, where are you! I hate you!! Oct 23 19:09:27 mine loses the whole network (bars disappear and immediately appear) especially when the phone has been untouched for awhile and I start type something Oct 23 19:10:06 I lose my connection to the shell but might get some commands/characters through before it happens Oct 23 19:45:27 entitled: immediately flash standard stock maemo1.3 Oct 23 19:45:33 then check Oct 23 19:45:51 what do you mean you lose connection to the shell? D: Oct 23 19:45:54 you botched the kernel Oct 23 19:45:55 without installing anything else beyond virgin maemo1.3 Oct 23 19:46:11 kerio: let's hope it's just that Oct 23 19:46:37 I'd get something to bitch about, and we wouldn't lose another N900 Oct 23 19:46:54 * DocScrutinizer05 shouldn't IRC while watching House ;-P Oct 23 19:47:13 DocScrutinizer05: i have a working n900 (apart for the usb port) that's just sitting in a box Oct 23 19:47:22 sometimes i open the box and laugh at it Oct 23 19:47:23 ha ha Oct 23 19:47:26 I mean irc shell Oct 23 19:47:46 entitled: you mean GPRS/modem/GSM Oct 23 19:47:52 ye Oct 23 19:47:54 oh Oct 23 19:48:15 then your phonet might be fucked up Oct 23 19:48:24 maybe Oct 23 19:48:29 kerio: see what I said Oct 23 19:48:34 install backupmenu, make a full backup, reflash *all* the software! _ò/, then test Oct 23 19:48:46 nothing to backup yet Oct 23 19:49:35 I'll do it tomorrow and check Oct 23 19:49:40 do it now! :c Oct 23 19:49:44 :nod: Oct 23 19:49:56 or we won't be able to fall asleep Oct 23 19:50:06 because we'll be so worried Oct 23 19:50:09 I did drop this once (lightly) and it lost the sim card Oct 23 19:50:20 the other n900 has survived far worse Oct 23 19:50:27 kerio: if user says he does it tomorrow, you should be happy he's not telling you to STFU Oct 23 19:50:36 :D Oct 23 19:50:51 I do appreciate all the help I'm getting Oct 23 19:50:58 DocScrutinizer05: but i'll be happier if he falls to the pressure :D Oct 23 19:51:27 just wanted to know if that issue is a "feature" or not Oct 23 19:51:44 thank god I saved the application list this time with fas Oct 23 19:51:49 entitled: if it's actually a hardware problem, then i'm afraid it's a common problem Oct 23 19:51:53 it's for sure not a feature, nor a known issue of thumb Oct 23 19:52:08 ok Oct 23 19:52:12 yeah, what kerio said Oct 23 19:52:39 funny how it happens when I usually press some key after absence Oct 23 19:52:55 that could just be the connection timing out Oct 23 19:53:09 entitled: try different keys Oct 23 19:53:21 (yes, it could make a difference) Oct 23 19:53:27 for real? Oct 23 19:53:46 if it's a hardware problem, it's a problem with some soldering Oct 23 19:53:55 well I do the flash, maybe switch the sim for a while and rule out other possibilities Oct 23 19:53:56 which could show up if you push on some part instead of some other Oct 23 19:54:00 ye Oct 23 19:54:06 grabbing a new sim is also a good thing to test, yes Oct 23 19:55:02 gjuikfrdteopaslqpwföäcaxqdfkleakxrvb .öcpfävb.akripasdeqwöcpfäakxtÄpse Oct 23 19:55:05 oops Oct 23 19:55:09 hahahahahahahaha Oct 23 19:55:22 * entitled is bending his n900 Oct 23 19:55:30 yeah, don't do that :s Oct 23 19:56:07 banging, pressing different keys hard etc doesen't seem to do nothing bad :p Oct 23 19:56:20 hm Oct 23 19:56:35 it could still be busted, but it could also be a problem with your sim or your operator Oct 23 19:56:56 yup Oct 23 19:57:00 might as well be the service provider, prepaid sim. didn't active Oct 23 19:57:08 the monthly internet Oct 23 19:57:40 at least few years ago, when the credit was running low on the phone, it started disconnecting randomly Oct 23 19:57:52 *on the sim Oct 23 19:58:41 but that was back in the day with old S40 nokia and could have been something else too Oct 23 19:59:14 but yeah, different sim, monthly payment, reflash, etc should tell what's the situation Oct 23 20:04:12 entitled: how long is the connectivity dropout? Oct 23 20:04:36 does it drop connection but instantly recover? Oct 23 20:05:04 or does it stay offline for some time or even until reboot or whatever Oct 23 20:05:27 hrmpf, doesn't QT use xkb like everything else? Oct 23 20:05:29 instantly recovers Oct 23 20:05:37 but still I get cut off Oct 23 20:05:56 my shift+fn+key combos don't work and the hold-key-to-sym nonsense is there, in yappari Oct 23 20:05:59 that sounds like a carrier problem then, most likely Oct 23 20:06:03 if I lose connection momentarily in a train, even if it's a longer one I son't get dropped off Oct 23 20:06:10 and the developer said that he only used the standard-issue QT input box Oct 23 20:06:23 more precisely, a problem with DHCP Oct 23 20:06:25 kerio yes, qt does not support xkb layouts Oct 23 20:06:34 trx: what the fucking fuck Oct 23 20:06:43 but i checked that a while ago Oct 23 20:06:53 maybe it does in never versions Oct 23 20:07:00 newer* Oct 23 20:07:20 entitled: first try a different carrier/SIM Oct 23 20:07:55 sure Oct 23 20:08:01 kerio if you find some work arrounds, please let me know Oct 23 20:08:16 my english is bad today :( Oct 23 20:08:16 of course a complete modem reset might cause exactly same symthoms Oct 23 20:09:02 entitled: thus please (install ksyslogd and) check syslog Oct 23 20:09:50 (haven't had problems with this carrier on my other n900, but it might be due to the SIM or the fact I don't have monthly data subscription) Oct 23 20:10:47 DocScrutinizer05: what the hell is wrong with QT? :s Oct 23 20:10:58 why did they decide to reinvent xkb? Oct 23 20:12:18 i'm angry! Oct 23 20:12:24 i want to blame someone! Oct 23 20:13:51 kerio: im here if you need a nick to blame :P Oct 23 20:14:08 Cor-Ai: it's all your fault! Oct 23 20:14:13 >:C Oct 23 20:14:20 kerio: sorry :/ Oct 23 20:14:31 aww, it's ok c: Oct 23 20:14:37 :) Oct 23 20:14:47 feeling better now? Oct 23 20:15:26 i still can't type accented letters in yappari :( Oct 23 20:15:39 and i still can't hold-to-repeat-key Oct 23 20:31:22 ok i've switched the sims between the phones Oct 23 20:31:34 initially the problem seems to persist Oct 23 20:32:04 at first it didn't want to find the sim and then it lost the sim when I switched from 2g to 3g Oct 23 20:32:14 sometimes going offline remedies that? Oct 23 20:32:44 after boot or two, I can switch between 2g and 3g Oct 23 20:33:13 the sim card icon might flash few times before it works, not sure if it ever did that before or not Oct 23 20:33:43 sysklogd is running Oct 23 20:33:59 I'll see if I catch the problem in action Oct 23 20:50:07 SIM not detected is the precise (though in fact incorrect) description of the hw problem Oct 23 20:51:03 to reset modem, you might need a complete power-down, not a straight reboot Oct 23 20:52:04 I had a moden fsckup just yesterday (it refused to do any data connectivity on 2G - switching back and forth between 2G and 3G didn't help, neither did airplane mode and back to online) Oct 23 20:54:01 I already been ready to blame my carrier the hard way, when I recalled I seemed to have seen saem thing a year ago, when I thought my carrier fsckd his 2G service for days, until I finally booted - not before I entered a shop and shouted a bit at them, about why there's no known out-of-order report known regarding that Oct 23 20:55:08 so this time I thought "meh, it's just a boot" and actually, it was just a boot that's been needed Oct 23 20:55:35 all hail to TCP stack implemented in modem, on GPRS Oct 23 21:08:04 yeah I did boot Oct 23 21:08:32 with removing the battery in-between, to re-check the sim Oct 23 21:45:00 freemangordon: pong Oct 23 21:53:58 what soc has tcp stack in modem? Oct 23 21:59:58 many embeddable modems Oct 23 22:00:08 telit AHS one Oct 23 22:13:34 ShadowJK: look at lsmod on N900 Oct 23 22:16:02 ShadowJK: well, maybe that doesn't help Oct 23 22:16:39 N900's tcp stack is certainly not in the modem ;p Oct 23 22:16:55 ShadowJK: actually I never looked into it myself, I just heard at least lower half of tcp/ip stack is inside modem for GPRS Oct 23 22:17:51 and then there's GPRS data stack under any TCP layer Oct 23 22:18:40 I don't think you could fake MAC of a modem Oct 23 22:19:17 I'm also quite sure there's no broadcast as we know it, and no promiscuous mode ;-P Oct 23 22:19:22 I don't know what this "lower half" is, but you can even generate the IP level stuff yourself, which I think qualifies as entire tcp/ip stack in linux Oct 23 22:19:36 Those things are ethernet things, not tcp/ip Oct 23 22:19:45 and we're not running ethernet here :P Oct 23 22:19:53 obviously Oct 23 22:20:32 actually we're running PPPoE iirc Oct 23 22:20:37 no Oct 23 22:21:15 might be true (or not) only for UMTS Oct 23 22:21:28 pnatd emulated a dialup modem though, pnatd is what you get over the bluetooth dun channel Oct 23 22:21:34 emulates* Oct 23 22:21:52 I know what pnatd is Oct 23 22:22:16 There a usb gprs/umts/hspa modems that emulate ethernet too, like n900 can do on usb Oct 23 22:22:33 the ethernet level stuff is just for talking with the modem though Oct 23 22:23:33 probably the easiest way to eliminate all misconceptions was to start wireshark on isi Oct 23 22:24:38 iirc it shows nicely dissected data packages, and at least from them I could tell what protocol it's using on that layer Oct 23 22:25:26 I think that'd look like ip inside isi inside phonet Oct 23 22:25:29 for all I know GPRS has an own connection management plus ACK/NACK Oct 23 22:26:08 it does Oct 23 22:26:15 but modem hides it Oct 23 22:26:36 that's where I basically came from Oct 23 22:27:25 dunno what exactly a stack the bb5 is running, but it got fecked up on my 2G only, while 3G still worked Oct 23 22:27:36 Like you could maybe see the phonet/isi that's used between modem and omap, but then modem takes the IP and puts it inside gprs Oct 23 22:28:52 Mine often gets stuck on 3g now. Around the time it started happening operator called trying to send me more 3g saying 3g had been improved recently in my area Oct 23 22:29:24 I'm guessing "improved" means they told all phones to try a little bit too hard to maintain the 3g icon :P Oct 23 22:30:54 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how C1/C2 criteria analoga for handover from 3G to 2G are implemented Oct 23 22:31:33 tbh I got no friggin clue about UMTS Oct 23 22:31:48 only about GSM Oct 23 22:32:48 maybe even more interesting: how's the handover from 2G to 3G defined, since that has to be an addendum Oct 23 22:33:01 amendment, augmentment? Oct 23 22:34:09 I'm rather sure they hadn't anything for that in original GSM specs Oct 23 22:34:50 though, they must have something for genuine roaming Oct 23 22:35:21 maybe roaming to 3G is not that different Oct 23 22:37:37 some phones show separate listing for 2g and 3g when you do network search Oct 24 02:38:19 hello Oct 24 02:40:48 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 24 03:00:01 2012