**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 29 03:00:01 2012
Oct 29 08:20:15 <jargon-> anybody else having performance problems with opera mini on the latest cssu? freezing, draining the battery?
Oct 29 08:27:17 <jargon-> opera mobile*
Oct 29 09:18:04 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: I'm having problems loading the stock wifi drivers for some reason
Oct 29 09:18:31 <jon_y> unknown symbol ieee80211....
Oct 29 09:19:11 <jon_y> modprobe wl12xx says wl1251_api module not found
Oct 29 09:19:14 <jon_y> any ideas?
Oct 29 09:27:28 <vi_> is tmp mounted in ram?
Oct 29 09:27:33 <vi_> or is it var?
Oct 29 09:31:31 <joga> it's tmpfs so ram
Oct 29 09:32:04 <vi_> so if I copy something to /tmp and symlink to it, it will be read from ram?
Oct 29 09:32:05 <joga> (though, well, also swap I guess)
Oct 29 09:32:20 <joga> yes
Oct 29 09:32:26 <vi_> ...mmmm
Oct 29 09:32:47 <joga> assuming it's currently in ram, I'm not really sure how maemo does swapping etc
Oct 29 09:32:55 <vi_> joga: badly
Oct 29 09:33:28 <joga> you can also create your own tmpfs with a size you choose if you want
Oct 29 09:36:32 <vi_> holy shit.
Oct 29 09:39:06 <vi_> mv /usr/share/hildon /tmp/hildon
Oct 29 09:39:25 <vi_> symlink it back.
Oct 29 09:39:44 <vi_> menu works like it is on hypercrack.
Oct 29 09:41:33 <vi_> and it only costs 2kb of ram!
Oct 29 09:41:38 <vi_> (I guess).
Oct 29 09:45:22 <jon_y> awesome, wl12xx problem fixed
Oct 29 09:45:52 <jon_y> something left an entry in /etc/modprobe/* to redirect to wl1251_spi
Oct 29 09:46:19 <vi_> what was the problem?
Oct 29 09:46:24 <entitled> does power kernel use lower voltage on default?
Oct 29 09:46:49 <entitled> seems like I solved the annoying network lost/connection dropping issue
Oct 29 09:47:07 <jon_y> vi_: wifi stock drivers no longer loading
Oct 29 09:47:24 <jon_y> insmod wl12xx says wl1251_spi is missing
Oct 29 09:47:27 <entitled> it doesen't happen when I overclock 805mhz (instead of using the stock 600mhz)
Oct 29 09:48:02 <jon_y> *modprobe wl12xx
Oct 29 09:48:28 <jon_y> insmod wl12xx.ko says ieee80211_* unknown symbol
Oct 29 09:48:56 <vi_> Do you think if I set 'nice -19 'rtcom-call-ui' '
Oct 29 09:48:56 <jon_y> rebooting into the stock kernel won't work either, due to the /etc/modprobe.d entry
Oct 29 09:49:01 <vi_> I will never miss another call?
Oct 29 09:49:11 <jon_y> :)
Oct 29 09:49:34 <jon_y> sometimes, the UI rotate breaks things
Oct 29 09:49:46 <jon_y> accept call button is under the bottom of the screen
Oct 29 09:51:03 <StyXman> vi_: sound worth a test
Oct 29 09:51:07 <StyXman> sounds*
Oct 29 09:54:50 <vi_> mmm
Oct 29 09:54:52 <vi_> ionice
Oct 29 09:55:06 <StyXman> heeh
Oct 29 09:55:31 <StyXman> vi_: do you plan to do some kind of benchmarks?
Oct 29 09:57:13 <vi_> nope, just empirical.
Oct 29 09:58:17 <vi_> I wonder what else I could ionice
Oct 29 09:59:04 <vi_> camera
Oct 29 10:00:08 <vi_> realtime priority XD
Oct 29 10:01:43 <StyXman> :)
Oct 29 10:03:47 <vi_> blessn900
Oct 29 10:03:50 <vi_> ..
Oct 29 10:03:57 <vi_> no wait, it still runs like shit.
Oct 29 12:02:16 <jon_y> Pali: how do I set the default uboot choice?
Oct 29 12:02:24 <jon_y> also, thanks for the new uboot release
Oct 29 12:02:31 <jon_y> now working on my n900
Oct 29 12:03:18 <Pali> jon_y, read first post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Oct 29 12:03:21 <Pali> ~u-boot
Oct 29 12:03:28 <Pali> ~u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Oct 29 12:03:29 <infobot> Pali: okay
Oct 29 12:05:59 <jon_y> Pali: thanks
Oct 29 12:06:17 <jon_y> ~kp
Oct 29 12:06:18 <infobot> it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg'
Oct 29 12:06:38 <jon_y> ~kernel-power
Oct 29 12:07:04 <jon_y> I thought I've seen KP52 somewhere but apt-get update says nothing
Oct 29 12:14:36 <jon_y> ~fb-progress
Oct 29 12:35:31 <DocScrutinizer51> ~u-boot
Oct 29 12:35:32 <infobot> somebody said u-boot was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Oct 29 12:35:48 <DocScrutinizer51> ~forget u-boot
Oct 29 12:35:50 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: i forgot u-boot
Oct 29 12:36:32 <DocScrutinizer51> ~#maemo u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Oct 29 12:36:33 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer51
Oct 29 12:36:39 <DocScrutinizer51> ~u-boot
Oct 29 12:36:40 <infobot> i guess u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Oct 29 12:39:15 <DocScrutinizer51> ~listkeys kp
Oct 29 12:39:17 <infobot> Factoid search of 'kp' by key (18 of 228): .kp ;; cmd: cheekpoke (.*?) ;; darkpheonix ;; finkployd ;; gnome2.2 backport ;; ikp ;; kp ;; kpilot ;; kplot3d ;; make-kpgk ;; mkpasswd ;; php4 backport ;; teamwave workplace ;; toolbox _backpat ;; unlockpro ;; weathercode atakpame ;; weathercode kp67 ;; weathercode kpcu.
Oct 29 12:40:17 <DocScrutinizer51> ~listvalues kernel power
Oct 29 12:40:18 <infobot> Factoid search of 'kernel power' by value returned no results.
Oct 29 12:40:29 <DocScrutinizer51> ~listvalues kernel
Oct 29 12:40:30 <infobot> Factoid search of 'kernel' by value (16 of 654): /etc/modules ;; 1.1 ;; 2.4.15 ;; 2.4.20 ;; 2.6 ;; a3com ;; char major 10 ;; ext2online ;; i cannot vouch for how the "new" makefile system ;; in which package ;; jimbuzbee ;; just the basics, i.e. how ;; kernel core dump ;; kernel dhcp ;; kernel symlinks ;; kernel version.
Oct 29 12:41:04 <DocScrutinizer51> ~listkeys #maemo
Oct 29 12:41:06 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (9): #maemo omp ;; #maemo multiboot ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo-ssu ot ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo u-boot ;; #maemo multinoot #DEL# ;; #maemo power ;; chan #maemo #DEL#.
Oct 29 12:42:43 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: please define factoid '#maemo kp'
Oct 29 12:42:56 <Pali> ok
Oct 29 12:45:58 <DocScrutinizer51> whenever infobo/Tim bites the dust, we're doomed
Oct 29 12:52:06 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: ~#maemo kp is <reply>learn about KernelPower you read t.m.o/thread99999post1, to install latest version yougo there: pakages.maemo.org/kp58
Oct 29 12:53:04 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: sorry I don't have the correct links at hand
Oct 29 12:54:18 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: such factoid will override ~kp in here (#maemo)
Oct 29 12:54:55 <Pali> ~#maemo kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
Oct 29 12:54:55 <infobot> okay, Pali
Oct 29 12:55:11 <DocScrutinizer51> ~kp
Oct 29 12:55:11 <infobot> kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
Oct 29 12:55:23 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
Oct 29 12:55:27 <Pali> :-)
Oct 29 13:28:00 <Guest18322> hello
Oct 29 13:31:13 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer51: do you happen to know how to debug a power regression?
Oct 29 13:31:25 <jon_y> battery use shot up for some reason
Oct 29 13:31:52 <jon_y> I thought it was the bleeding edge wifi drivers, but I switched to stock already
Oct 29 13:34:29 <SpeedEvil> powertop can help
Oct 29 13:35:25 <SpeedEvil> jon_y: afk right now, look around the links from
Oct 29 13:35:29 <SpeedEvil> ~power
Oct 29 13:35:30 <infobot> rumour has it, power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
Oct 29 13:35:47 <jon_y> ok
Oct 29 13:39:15 <vi_> jon_y: You know power top right?
Oct 29 13:39:22 <vi_> You need 2 tools.
Oct 29 13:39:33 <vi_> powertop and htop.
Oct 29 13:39:34 <jon_y> what else?
Oct 29 13:39:54 <jon_y> ok
Oct 29 13:39:54 <vi_> Do you know powertop?
Oct 29 13:40:17 <jon_y> not really, I'm new to it
Oct 29 13:40:27 <vi_> you know how to use xterm?
Oct 29 13:40:31 <jon_y> yes
Oct 29 13:40:35 <vi_> phew!
Oct 29 13:40:46 <vi_> install powertop and htop from devel.
Oct 29 13:40:57 <jon_y> ok, done
Oct 29 13:40:59 <vi_> put the phone into offline mode.
Oct 29 13:41:02 <jon_y> just installed
Oct 29 13:41:06 <jon_y> ok
Oct 29 13:41:14 <vi_> run:
Oct 29 13:41:24 <vi_> sleep 30; powertop
Oct 29 13:41:34 <jon_y> disconnect charger too right?
Oct 29 13:41:48 <vi_> quickly lock the screen and put the phone down and wait for ~1.1minute.
Oct 29 13:41:53 <vi_> jon_y: yes
Oct 29 13:42:29 <vi_> jon_y: have you installed pastebinit?
Oct 29 13:42:43 <jon_y> not yet
Oct 29 13:43:03 <vi_> wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pastebinit/pastebinit_1.3-4_all.deb
Oct 29 13:43:15 <vi_> that is the latest pastebinit from debian sid.
Oct 29 13:43:20 <jon_y> ok, I'll try to install it after I get back on
Oct 29 13:43:24 <vi_> it installs good.
Oct 29 13:43:33 <jon_y> or use sprunge
Oct 29 13:44:15 <vi_> or sprunge if you want, pastebinit has more choices though.
Oct 29 13:44:32 <vi_> anyways, pastebinit the output from powertop.
Oct 29 13:44:43 <vi_> BRB COFFEE.
Oct 29 13:45:35 <jon_y> ok powertop output is back
Oct 29 13:46:33 <jon_y> anything in particular to look for?
Oct 29 13:50:24 <vi_> yes, programs that are causing wakeups!
Oct 29 13:50:32 <vi_> Time in C4 etc.
Oct 29 13:50:35 <vi_> Just pastebinit that shit.
Oct 29 13:53:46 <jon_y> vi_: http://sprunge.us/ZRUd
Oct 29 13:54:28 <jon_y> I hope 1150 MHz doesn't mean cpu freq
Oct 29 13:54:34 <vi_> jon_y: no
Oct 29 13:55:01 <jon_y> ok, any obvious culprits?
Oct 29 13:55:06 <vi_> no
Oct 29 13:55:12 <vi_> this is bizzare.
Oct 29 13:55:32 <jon_y> which part?
Oct 29 13:56:02 <vi_> useually when your cpu is being stuck in C1 and never reaching C4 there is something spamming wakeups.
Oct 29 13:56:31 <vi_> THere appears to be nothing spamming wakeups, yet your device is not going into C4.
Oct 29 13:56:47 <jon_y> does battery eye do that?
Oct 29 13:56:56 <jon_y> it was in the background
Oct 29 13:57:14 <vi_> jon_y: No, batteryeye only wakes up like 1/minute or something.
Oct 29 13:57:21 <ShadowJK> was charger connected?
Oct 29 13:57:27 <vi_> While it does not help, it is not really a problem.
Oct 29 13:57:35 <vi_> ShadowJK: no.
Oct 29 13:57:41 <jon_y> no, it was disconnected when I ran sleep 30; powertop
Oct 29 13:58:06 <vi_> jon_y: Run powertop.
Oct 29 13:58:10 <vi_> Sort by time.
Oct 29 13:58:11 <ShadowJK> this looks like something that would show up on normal top
Oct 29 13:58:23 <vi_> look for anything odd.
Oct 29 13:58:34 <jon_y> what is the arg to sort by time?
Oct 29 13:58:37 * ShadowJK doesnt know powertop sort by time :)
Oct 29 13:58:43 <vi_> ignore that.
Oct 29 13:58:46 <vi_> total horse shit.
Oct 29 13:58:55 <vi_> I meant, run htop, sort by time.
Oct 29 13:59:17 <jon_y> ok, any arguments?
Oct 29 13:59:38 <vi_> no
Oct 29 14:00:37 <jon_y> how do I sort by time?
Oct 29 14:01:06 <vi_> shift+t
Oct 29 14:01:38 <jon_y> Xorg taking up mos of the time
Oct 29 14:01:47 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/eeV6BGL8
Oct 29 14:02:01 <vi_> jon_y: that is normal
Oct 29 14:02:09 <vi_> try sorting by CPU
Oct 29 14:02:17 <vi_> shift+p
Oct 29 14:02:52 <jon_y> htop taking most cpu
Oct 29 14:03:03 <jon_y> next is xorg
Oct 29 14:03:14 <jon_y> 7% and 3%
Oct 29 14:03:21 <vi_> Is anything else activley running?
Oct 29 14:03:37 <jon_y> no, I exit everything
Oct 29 14:03:49 <jon_y> just xterm and htop
Oct 29 14:04:16 <vi_> You have any dumb widgets?
Oct 29 14:04:41 <vi_> Ok, lets try a reset.
Oct 29 14:04:42 <jon_y> recaller?
Oct 29 14:04:54 <jon_y> advanced interface switcher
Oct 29 14:05:00 <vi_> jon_y: In my experiance recaller is generally safe.
Oct 29 14:05:08 <vi_> possibly.
Oct 29 14:05:12 <jon_y> yeah, it isn't new
Oct 29 14:05:21 <vi_> AIS caused nothing but ballache for me.
Oct 29 14:05:24 <jon_y> only recently experiencing power problems
Oct 29 14:05:34 <vi_> please try a reset.
Oct 29 14:05:40 <jon_y> reboot?
Oct 29 14:05:50 <vi_> i.e. poweroff, pull battery for 30s, power up.
Oct 29 14:05:57 <jon_y> ok
Oct 29 14:06:26 <vi_> wait 3-4minutes for device to settle then go into offline mode.
Oct 29 14:06:35 <vi_> Run sleep 30; powertop again.
Oct 29 14:07:08 <jon_y> pulled out the battery, waiting
Oct 29 14:09:43 <jon_y> leaving the device to charge for 5 minutes
Oct 29 14:09:47 <jon_y> battery nearly dead
Oct 29 14:16:38 <jon_y> running powertop
Oct 29 14:19:04 <jon_y> damn, log.txt earlier was from root, overwrite failed, rerunning
Oct 29 14:22:30 <jon_y> way, powertop segfault when run as user
Oct 29 14:22:38 <jon_y> redoing as root
Oct 29 14:26:21 <jon_y> vi_: http://sprunge.us/Adja
Oct 29 14:27:45 <jon_y> ShadowJK: still lots of wakeups?
Oct 29 14:28:29 <ShadowJK> Well I'm not sure if I'd call it wakeup, it's like it doesn't enter sleep much at all
Oct 29 14:28:40 <jon_y> :(
Oct 29 14:28:48 <ShadowJK> but actual wakeups from processes is very small
Oct 29 14:29:08 <jon_y> stuff in the kernel?
Oct 29 14:29:49 <ShadowJK> This looks so weird
Oct 29 14:30:33 <jon_y> lsmod output http://sprunge.us/jWFL
Oct 29 14:30:33 <ShadowJK> is this kernel-power?
Oct 29 14:30:48 <jon_y> yeah
Oct 29 14:30:53 <jon_y> kp51r1
Oct 29 14:33:15 <jon_y> anything weird in lsmod?
Oct 29 14:33:25 <ShadowJK> There are several things in that powertop output that contradicts itself:
Oct 29 14:33:47 <ShadowJK> C0 is high, but core, mpu and neon are almost all "off"
Oct 29 14:34:05 <ShadowJK> C0 is high, but avg duration for C4 is high
Oct 29 14:34:10 <jon_y> it wakes but not do anything?
Oct 29 14:34:35 <ShadowJK> the first bit says cpu is on, last part of powertop says it's off
Oct 29 14:35:12 <jon_y> ok, how is that possible?
Oct 29 14:36:23 <ShadowJK> yeah it isn't
Oct 29 14:36:45 <jon_y> time to wipe the phone? :(
Oct 29 14:36:58 <vi_> sorry, was at work.
Oct 29 14:37:11 <jon_y> vi_: any idea on ShadowJK's comments?
Oct 29 14:37:13 <vi_> shadowjk has more or less said it.
Oct 29 14:37:21 <jon_y> :(
Oct 29 14:37:23 <vi_> It makes no freaking sense,
Oct 29 14:37:26 <vi_> .
Oct 29 14:37:30 <vi_> Time to either:
Oct 29 14:37:35 <vi_> 1. restore a backup.
Oct 29 14:37:50 <vi_> 2. Start uninstalling the last things you have installed.
Oct 29 14:38:04 <jon_y> I'm fine with wiping
Oct 29 14:38:08 <vi_> 3. full re-flash.
Oct 29 14:38:52 <jon_y> does /home/user get wiped out on reflash?
Oct 29 14:39:01 <ShadowJK> Does it actually consume lots of power too?
Oct 29 14:39:08 <ShadowJK> Yesh, I think so
Oct 29 14:39:22 <jon_y> ok, need to back that up too
Oct 29 14:39:33 <jon_y> half battery life in 3 hours
Oct 29 14:39:44 <jon_y> also, it was warming up my pocket
Oct 29 14:40:32 <vi_> can you run this script:
Oct 29 14:41:06 <ShadowJK> warming up pocket is good enough indication that it's indeed consuming lots of power
Oct 29 14:41:24 <vi_> http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Analyze_kernel_system_frequency_use_percentage
Oct 29 14:41:42 <jon_y> the last time I remembered that happen was when I ran the wifi eye program
Oct 29 14:41:49 <jon_y> but a reboot fixed the power issue
Oct 29 14:41:56 <jon_y> that was then
Oct 29 14:44:15 <jon_y> I don't think I installed kernel-power-settings
Oct 29 14:44:32 <ShadowJK> wifieye sometimes leaves wifi on without powersaving, and soemtimes leaves parts of itself running too
Oct 29 14:47:14 <jon_y> ShadowJK: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp no such file
Oct 29 14:47:17 <jon_y> any ideas?
Oct 29 14:48:32 <ShadowJK> bq module not loaded
Oct 29 14:48:40 * ShadowJK doesn't know what it's called
Oct 29 14:48:51 <ShadowJK> Ive never used it
Oct 29 14:48:55 <jon_y> safe to modprobe?
Oct 29 14:49:51 <ShadowJK> probably
Oct 29 14:50:31 <freemangordon> jon_y: are you on 2g or 3g?
Oct 29 14:50:44 <jon_y> http://sprunge.us/cBKa
Oct 29 14:50:45 <jon_y> 3G
Oct 29 14:51:09 <freemangordon> data connection active? or you are on wifi?
Oct 29 14:51:20 <jon_y> wifi, but it is normally off
Oct 29 14:51:31 <freemangordon> do you have u-boot?
Oct 29 14:51:35 <jon_y> yes
Oct 29 14:51:40 <freemangordon> which version?
Oct 29 14:51:54 <jon_y> pali's most recent
Oct 29 14:52:01 <freemangordon> as there was a broken one with disabled L2 cache
Oct 29 14:52:07 <freemangordon> ok, if you are sure
Oct 29 14:52:22 <jon_y> 2012.10-rc3-1
Oct 29 14:52:36 <freemangordon> ok
Oct 29 14:53:07 <jon_y> 2G signal kind of sucky at office for some reason
Oct 29 14:53:16 <jon_y> 3G can get calls through
Oct 29 14:55:52 <freemangordon> jon_y: anything in dmesg?
Oct 29 14:57:55 <jon_y> freemangordon: anything to grep for?
Oct 29 14:58:13 <freemangordon> no, just look at it
Oct 29 14:58:30 <freemangordon> or pastebin it (or whatever you use)
Oct 29 14:59:43 <jon_y> freemangordon: http://sprunge.us/YYAB
Oct 29 15:00:05 <jon_y> seems like it was cut by sprunge
Oct 29 15:01:34 <jon_y> actually, the latest powertop shows some changes
Oct 29 15:01:50 <jon_y> c0 98.5%
Oct 29 15:02:09 <jon_y> C1 1.5% 20.5ms avg
Oct 29 15:02:31 <jon_y> C2 0% 0.5ms avg
Oct 29 15:02:39 <jon_y> c3 and c4 shows nothing
Oct 29 15:03:05 <Jay_BEE> Question:  Since when does a 'new' N900, come pre-installed with applications like balloonpopperfree, battery-eye, BlessN900, Catorise?
Oct 29 15:03:27 <jon_y> 2nd hand N900?
Oct 29 15:03:39 <jon_y> value added addons?
Oct 29 15:03:44 <Jay_BEE> hehehe
Oct 29 15:04:07 <Jay_BEE> Mind you this came from eBay and was listed as 'New'.
Oct 29 15:04:23 <jon_y> you belived the ad? :)
Oct 29 15:04:46 <freemangordon> jon_y: EXT4-fs?
Oct 29 15:05:01 <Jay_BEE> unfortunately yes, because the seller had a good rating and the option to purchase a warranty was there
Oct 29 15:05:19 <jon_y> freemangordon: I don't believe I actually have any ext4 volumes
Oct 29 15:05:42 <freemangordon> "EXT4 FS on mmcblk1p2, internal journal on mmcblk1p2:8"
Oct 29 15:05:44 <freemangordon> :P
Oct 29 15:05:50 <jon_y> oh taht
Oct 29 15:05:58 <jon_y> it was easy debian
Oct 29 15:06:00 <jon_y> now I remember
Oct 29 15:06:18 <jon_y> it's just sitting there though since cssu decided to mount everything these days
Oct 29 15:06:30 <Hurrian> Jay_BEE, those are definitely not "new".
Oct 29 15:06:58 <Hurrian> unless the seller advertised it with the apps preinstalled, ask for a refund or something
Oct 29 15:06:59 <Jay_BEE> Hurrian:  I see.
Oct 29 15:07:10 <Jay_BEE> Hurrian: yes, I am sending it back today.
Oct 29 15:07:14 <freemangordon> jon_y: did you connect n900 via usb cable? ac ouple of times?
Oct 29 15:07:41 <jon_y> freemangordon: yes
Oct 29 15:07:50 <freemangordon> hmm, okm
Oct 29 15:07:54 <Hurrian> also, run "cat /dev/mtd2" to check for crashes
Oct 29 15:07:56 <Jay_BEE> the seller said " Based on our understanding, there are a few different versions of Nokia N900, and we are not certain if they are all the same in term of applications installed.  Or a wrong item might be sent to you. "  
Oct 29 15:07:57 <freemangordon> nothing weird in dmesg
Oct 29 15:10:03 <Hurrian> Jay_BEE, run "sudo strings /dev/mtd1ro" to check for kernel flashes too ;)
Oct 29 15:10:37 <vi_> so you bought a 'new' n900 that the seller has allready fucked around with?
Oct 29 15:10:51 <vi_> Fuck that.
Oct 29 15:11:12 <vi_> Welcome to re-flashville, population: YOU.
Oct 29 15:11:16 <Jay_BEE> and this seller, hsc-digital, is based in the US
Oct 29 15:11:18 <vi_> ~flash
Oct 29 15:11:19 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 29 15:11:29 <Jay_BEE> I'm sending it back today.
Oct 29 15:11:53 <vi_> Why are you sending it back?
Oct 29 15:12:01 <Jay_BEE> it's not new
Oct 29 15:12:07 <vi_> good enough.
Oct 29 15:12:09 <Jay_BEE> it was sold as 'new
Oct 29 15:12:11 <Jay_BEE> '
Oct 29 15:12:22 <ShadowJK> they probably sold a second hand as new, and forgot to wipe it first? sloppy
Oct 29 15:12:27 <Jay_BEE> yup
Oct 29 15:12:37 <ShadowJK> you'll get the same one back, but wiped. lol.
Oct 29 15:12:39 <vi_> If it was new, it would have a dark screen foil and a pair of unmolested ear-buds.
Oct 29 15:12:47 <Jay_BEE> ShadowJK: yep lol
Oct 29 15:12:49 <vi_> ShadowJK: eugh.
Oct 29 15:12:52 <vi_> ShadowJK: eww
Oct 29 15:12:54 <Skry> just keep it and bitch some of  your money back
Oct 29 15:13:00 <Hurrian> vi_, I kept my box, the dark foil and the ear buds in the plastic.
Oct 29 15:13:22 <Hurrian> With a can of air, I can get rid of the dust inside the thing.
Oct 29 15:13:24 <vi_> Hurrian: You are 1 in 2 ppl that I know of who does that.
Oct 29 15:13:35 <Hurrian> what's important is checking the flash logs in mtd1 ;)
Oct 29 15:13:35 <vi_> I am the second.
Oct 29 15:13:40 <Skry> I have box i mint condition, device however.. D
Oct 29 15:13:45 <Jay_BEE> hah
Oct 29 15:13:58 <vi_> ebay is full of bastards.
Oct 29 15:14:06 <raccoon_> yeah the box is easy to keep mint, that's not the one you use ;)
Oct 29 15:14:07 <Hurrian> Skry, I wonder how people scuff up their N900s
Oct 29 15:14:10 <vi_> and ol'man ebay does not give a shit.
Oct 29 15:14:26 <Hurrian> my spare device has been dropped quite a few times and looks just as mint as my princess N900.
Oct 29 15:14:44 <Hurrian> I mean, I saw some people shatter the back cover.
Oct 29 15:14:46 <Hurrian> Natch.
Oct 29 15:14:50 <vi_> I wont even let mine out of the drawer without a screen protector!
Oct 29 15:15:18 <ShadowJK> lol, i just checked mtd2 on my N900. this n900 was from Nokia Care after first died
Oct 29 15:15:19 <vi_> Jay_BEE: How much did you pay?
Oct 29 15:15:21 <Jay_BEE> what's the default password for 'sudo'?  
Oct 29 15:15:27 <Hurrian> Jay_BEE, none!
Oct 29 15:15:27 <Jay_BEE> vi_: $229
Oct 29 15:15:33 <ShadowJK> it has evidence someone else used it before
Oct 29 15:15:34 <Hurrian> Ouch. Pricey.
Oct 29 15:15:42 <vi_> Jay_BEE: Is it in more or less mint condition?
Oct 29 15:15:52 <Jay_BEE> it appears to be in mint condition
Oct 29 15:16:02 <vi_> no scratches, not even minor ones.
Oct 29 15:16:12 <Hurrian> Jay_BEE, if sudo asks for a password, install sudser/rootsh from Extras
Oct 29 15:16:14 <Skry> Hurrian: yeah well, I did work at construnctions for year and a half with N900 so it kinda shows
Oct 29 15:16:29 <Jay_BEE> vi_: it's mint as far as I can tell
Oct 29 15:16:35 <vi_> the slider is still crisp and clunk-clicks like a new mercedes door?
Oct 29 15:16:43 <Hurrian> Jay_BEE, don't call it mint until you check mtd1.
Oct 29 15:16:52 <Jay_BEE> vi_: :) yes
Oct 29 15:17:00 <vi_> Hurrian: How do I check mtd1??
Oct 29 15:17:04 <Jay_BEE> Hurrian: I was talking to the physical appearance
Oct 29 15:17:16 <Hurrian> vi_, "# strings /dev/mtd1ro"
Oct 29 15:17:52 <Hurrian> kernel flashes should be blatantly obvious, if you see "-power(x)" in there.
Oct 29 15:18:12 <vi_> what is the ordering?
Oct 29 15:18:19 <vi_> oldest stuff first?
Oct 29 15:18:32 <vi_> dur, obviously.
Oct 29 15:18:32 <Hurrian> vi_, yup
Oct 29 15:18:56 <Jay_BEE> I'm not going to install anything to it, I'm returning it today and wait for the seller to resend this or another one, hopefully properly reflashed  hehehe
Oct 29 15:19:16 <Hurrian> "ConF \n kernel-ver \n 2.6.28.10*" = non-virgin device.
Oct 29 15:19:16 <vi_> eh?
Oct 29 15:19:24 <vi_> My one appears to have had the product code changed?
Oct 29 15:20:24 <Hurrian> people change the product code on N900s?
Oct 29 15:21:23 <vi_> Hurrian: could you pastebin your mtd1?
Oct 29 15:21:33 <vi_> you dont have to if you dont want ofc.
Oct 29 15:21:39 <Hurrian> vi_, just a sec.
Oct 29 15:22:23 <vi_> Hurrian: ty
Oct 29 15:24:41 <jon_y> vi_: is C1 power saving state?
Oct 29 15:24:49 <jon_y> --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+
Oct 29 15:24:49 <jon_y>      C0 |  98.4% |          |  1150 MHz |   nan% |
Oct 29 15:24:49 <jon_y>      C1 |   1.6% |   51.1ms |
Oct 29 15:24:49 <jon_y>      C2 |   0.0% |    0.1ms |
Oct 29 15:24:49 <jon_y>      C3 |   0.0% |          |
Oct 29 15:24:51 <jon_y>      C4 |   0.0% |          |
Oct 29 15:25:09 <vi_> jon_y: DO NOT PASTE INTO IRC!!
Oct 29 15:25:16 <vi_> freenode will ban you in like 2 seconds.
Oct 29 15:25:22 <Hurrian> vi_: http://cakes.tea.jp/mtd1ro.txt
Oct 29 15:25:46 <jon_y> ok, I will remember that
Oct 29 15:25:57 <raccoon_> errrr, what? freenode takes no direct action against pasting
Oct 29 15:26:00 <Hurrian> freshly reflashed with PR1.3 around a week ago.
Oct 29 15:26:00 <raccoon_> what are you talking about
Oct 29 15:26:20 <vi_> MUM502677 <---what is this?
Oct 29 15:26:27 <jon_y> vi_: also, pastebinit_1.3-4_all.deb depends on python-configobj
Oct 29 15:26:39 <vi_> raccoon_: if you paste large ammounts into freenode, it gets caught by the spam filter.
Oct 29 15:26:43 <raccoon_> however you might get a timeout and disconnect if pasting too much, but it will have to be excessive
Oct 29 15:26:51 <raccoon_> vi_: there are no such thing as a spam filter.
Oct 29 15:26:56 <Skry> one does simply not paste into irc
Oct 29 15:26:57 <raccoon_> but there are limits on excess flooding
Oct 29 15:27:11 <vi_> jon_y: oh.  Install pastebinit from the repos first.
Oct 29 15:27:12 <jon_y> ok, n900 has it
Oct 29 15:27:34 <vi_> and the one from sid will not install?
Oct 29 15:27:39 <vi_> o0
Oct 29 15:27:45 <vi_> installed for me.
Oct 29 15:27:58 <vi_> which was good, as the one in maemorepo is old and broken now.
Oct 29 15:28:22 <vi_> raccoon_: Ok, but I am pretty sure I have been kick+banned for pasting into IRC.
Oct 29 15:28:25 <Skry> http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/
Oct 29 15:28:29 <Hurrian> also, vi_, yes, on this N900 I have not set a lock code.
Oct 29 15:28:37 <vi_> and no, it was not docscrutinizer on the rag.
Oct 29 15:28:56 <jon_y> freemangordon: dmesg http://pastebin.com/HNLsRP5D
Oct 29 15:29:24 <jon_y> actually, nevermind
Oct 29 15:29:44 <jon_y> some top parts are permanently missing
Oct 29 15:29:45 <vi_> jon_y: 'C' states are the sleep level of the CPU.
Oct 29 15:29:50 <vi_> C0 is awake.
Oct 29 15:29:59 <vi_> C4 is off.
Oct 29 15:30:10 <vi_> C1-3 are inbetween.
Oct 29 15:30:33 <vi_> the 'deeper' the sleep state (higher the level 1>4) the less power your CPU is using.
Oct 29 15:31:10 <vi_> Ideally your CPU will be in C4 most of the time only waking up to process some shit, then it will go back to sleep.
Oct 29 15:31:23 <jon_y> ok, maybe it was due to the wifi, will retry
Oct 29 15:31:41 <vi_> If there is somthing running continuously, your CPU will never achieve C4 sleep and it will use a lot more power.
Oct 29 15:32:18 <vi_> jon_y: You are not doing something stupid like setting 'bleeding edge' wifi drivers as the default?
Oct 29 15:32:54 <jon_y> no, it's stock
Oct 29 15:32:59 <vi_> ok.
Oct 29 15:33:31 <vi_> So the crazy thing about your powertop output is we can see your processor is never getting into C4 for very long.
Oct 29 15:33:54 <vi_> Hence the poor battery life, hot N900.
Oct 29 15:33:56 <jon_y> lsmod says wl12xx
Oct 29 15:34:24 <vi_> However according to the cpu utillisation, Your N900 is dooing nothing.
Oct 29 15:34:38 <vi_> jon_y: run top as root
Oct 29 15:34:47 <raccoon_> vi_: that might be true, but the reason is not that you pasted but that you hit a limit of certain amount of lines in a certain amount of time. you get kicked out to not waste bandwith on the server and/or cause bad service for other users, not because you are pasting text. but it's usually required to be lots of lines in a short period (like more than 10 lines in a second)
Oct 29 15:34:53 <jon_y> ok, now it says c4 in most time
Oct 29 15:35:03 <jon_y> wait
Oct 29 15:35:08 <vi_> raccoon_: Just like pasting.
Oct 29 15:35:15 <jon_y> still 1.5%
Oct 29 15:35:23 <vi_> 1.5%in c4?
Oct 29 15:35:23 <Hurrian> vi_, but if CPU utilisation is near zero and you're hitting C4, the top CPU state allowed by the governor, sonething's spiking the CPU a lot.
Oct 29 15:35:34 <jon_y> vi_: yes
Oct 29 15:35:52 <jon_y> what do I look for in top?
Oct 29 15:36:01 <vi_> Hurrian: Yeah, but there is nothing listed as active in top or powertop.
Oct 29 15:36:14 <raccoon_> vi_: yeah, if pasting A LOT. but don't tell people not to paste at all or they will get kicked/banned, that's not true. 
Oct 29 15:36:25 <vi_> jon_y: I would expect around 97% in C4 for my device offline and doing nothing.
Oct 29 15:36:34 <vi_> raccoon_: Ok.
Oct 29 15:36:54 <Hurrian> wait, were those powertop results taken when the screen was locked?
Oct 29 15:37:03 <jon_y> yes
Oct 29 15:37:07 <vi_> Hurrian: That is what he was told.
Oct 29 15:37:27 <vi_> Also there would be a fuck load more wakeups if the screen was unlocked.
Oct 29 15:38:14 <Hurrian> ouch, C0 sleep is the only thing keeping the N900 with a charge lasting more than 8 hours.
Oct 29 15:38:43 <vi_> jon_y: sort top by CPU useage.
Oct 29 15:38:53 <vi_> look at the top processes.
Oct 29 15:39:00 <vi_> is there anything funny there?
Oct 29 15:39:01 <jon_y> ok
Oct 29 15:39:17 <vi_> 'bridge_work_que' or some shit?
Oct 29 15:39:33 <jon_y> xorg
Oct 29 15:39:37 <jon_y> hildon-desktop
Oct 29 15:39:42 <jon_y> hildon-status-menu
Oct 29 15:40:00 <jon_y> dbus daemon
Oct 29 15:40:19 <jon_y> image-viewer?
Oct 29 15:41:19 <jon_y> /sbin/mce
Oct 29 15:41:32 <jon_y> anything wrong with the list?
Oct 29 15:44:39 <jon_y> is cpufrequi any good?
Oct 29 15:47:10 <Hurrian> jon_y, it works, but it's preferred to use kernel-config
Oct 29 15:47:50 <jon_y> ok
Oct 29 15:48:04 <jon_y> is cpufrequi the gui frontend?
Oct 29 15:54:38 <vi_> any of them persistently using more than 1.5%
Oct 29 15:56:03 <freemangordon> hmm, what about removig uSD and SIM, just in case.
Oct 29 15:56:10 <freemangordon> *removing
Oct 29 15:56:33 <vi_> jon_y: You are ssh into the n900 right?
Oct 29 15:57:00 <vi_> jon_y: ?
Oct 29 15:57:08 <freemangordon> vi_: though I am not sure what you'll see in powertop if a process is constantly crashing and restarted by dsme
Oct 29 15:57:25 <vi_> freemangordon: We would see SOMETHING.
Oct 29 15:57:46 <vi_> that powertop output is like my powertop output with the device at rest.
Oct 29 15:57:56 <vi_> It defies my expeiance,
Oct 29 15:58:08 <vi_> fuck my smelling
Oct 29 15:58:14 <vi_> ^spelling.
Oct 29 15:58:54 <freemangordon> vi_: I thought powertop shows only the active processes
Oct 29 15:59:19 <freemangordon> jon_y: do you have syslogd installed?
Oct 29 15:59:35 <vi_> and dsme is a process.  Also it measures how many wakeups occour.
Oct 29 15:59:44 <freemangordon> aah, yes
Oct 29 16:00:29 <freemangordon> well, then it is not something waking the CPU up, but something preventing it to exit C0
Oct 29 16:00:43 <vi_> that is a good way to look at it.
Oct 29 16:01:23 <freemangordon> though it still does not make sense. powertop output that is
Oct 29 16:01:34 <vi_> but what would stop CPU from going to sleep that is NOT a 'rude' process?
Oct 29 16:02:07 <freemangordon> NFC
Oct 29 16:02:21 <freemangordon> well, maybe he'd better reflash
Oct 29 16:02:26 <vi_> What do you hear if you put your ear to a Unix shell?
Oct 29 16:02:37 <freemangordon> hehe
Oct 29 16:02:45 <vi_> The sound of the C.
Oct 29 16:02:49 <freemangordon> what?
Oct 29 16:02:50 <ShadowJK> sh
Oct 29 16:02:56 <freemangordon> :D:D:D
Oct 29 16:03:08 <freemangordon> nice
Oct 29 16:04:20 <ShadowJK> while true; do sleep 1 ; done  <- shows up in powertop as sleep with one wakeup, but like 30 lines of different sleep
Oct 29 16:04:44 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: did you follow yesterday's conversation re PA?
Oct 29 16:04:55 <ShadowJK> vaguely?
Oct 29 16:05:08 <freemangordon> at the end it turned up that PA CPU usage depends on the volume :D
Oct 29 16:05:26 <freemangordon> any idea why?
Oct 29 16:05:42 <ShadowJK> So what does it look like when you compare different pa compiles with identical volume?
Oct 29 16:05:52 <ShadowJK> No it doesnt really make sense
Oct 29 16:06:01 <freemangordon> try it
Oct 29 16:06:43 <freemangordon> otherwise gcc 4.7 with -O3 -mthumb and -ffasth-math is the slowest one
Oct 29 16:07:13 <freemangordon> -O2 -mthumb -fno-fast-math is as fast as stock
Oct 29 16:07:29 <Skry> freemangordon: doc did say something about limiter/compressor which would cause that, dunno if this is the case though
Oct 29 16:08:40 <freemangordon> Skry: could be, but it is about 10%@250, too much for my taste
Oct 29 16:08:58 <Skry> yeah, it is too much
Oct 29 16:10:14 <ShadowJK> I wouldn't think it would vary with volume
Oct 29 16:10:26 <ShadowJK> headphone would show, i guess
Oct 29 16:10:39 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: just try it, play a song and watch top 
Oct 29 16:10:49 <freemangordon> using built-in speakers
Oct 29 16:11:07 <freemangordon> when the volume is about 50% CPU usage is 15-20 %
Oct 29 16:11:23 <ShadowJK> heh
Oct 29 16:11:24 <freemangordon> when on max it jumps to 26-30 %
Oct 29 16:11:33 <ShadowJK> I mostly use my N900 at volumes 1-5 :-'
Oct 29 16:12:49 <kerio> ShadowJK: only when on speaker tho
Oct 29 16:13:09 <ShadowJK> Maybe it's some sort of multipass thing
Oct 29 16:13:17 <freemangordon> could be
Oct 29 16:13:31 <vi_> ShadowJK: That is just what I was thinking.
Oct 29 16:13:45 <kerio> freemangordon: so which are you going to use?
Oct 29 16:13:49 <kerio> like, which options?
Oct 29 16:13:55 <vi_> It has to be some form of digital filtering.
Oct 29 16:14:00 <freemangordon> unfortunately nothing to be done here
Oct 29 16:14:01 <vi_> or some shit.
Oct 29 16:14:04 <Skry> well, what Doc said makes sense, more volume -> compressor has more to do. If there is such thing.
Oct 29 16:14:22 <vi_> Skry: There is a closed source nokia PA plug in.
Oct 29 16:14:41 <ShadowJK> Skry, that's not how it usually works
Oct 29 16:14:42 <freemangordon> most of PA is already optimized, and we can;t do anything for closed parts
Oct 29 16:14:45 <kerio> vi_: what if we disable it?
Oct 29 16:14:52 <freemangordon> kerio: we can;t
Oct 29 16:15:05 <kerio> freemangordon: are you sure the stock one is compiled with -O3 -ffast-math?
Oct 29 16:15:16 <freemangordon> kerio: yes
Oct 29 16:15:37 <kerio> it feels wrong that it's as fast as a more recent gcc with -O2 and -fno-fast-math
Oct 29 16:15:50 <freemangordon> actually it makes sense
Oct 29 16:15:55 <Skry> vi_: actually there is more than one closed source nokia PA plugin.
Oct 29 16:16:27 <Skry> ShadowJK: dont know much about the matter, just repeated words of other which kinda made sense to me :)
Oct 29 16:16:27 <vi_> Skry: oh.
Oct 29 16:16:33 <kerio> freemangordon: well, -O3 isn't guaranteed to be faster iirc
Oct 29 16:16:54 <vi_> What I would really like is to be able to play recordings while on a phone call.
Oct 29 16:17:13 <vi_> Except the 'policy' file is written in trollog.
Oct 29 16:17:22 <vi_> And I have NFC how to do it.
Oct 29 16:17:27 <freemangordon> kerio: my theory says that newer gcc uses NEON vectorizer in more places than older. But as NEON is still not that good , the result is slower code
Oct 29 16:17:31 <vi_> pali: make it so.
Oct 29 16:17:35 <freemangordon> *NEON vectorizer
Oct 29 16:17:38 <kerio> freemangordon: disable it
Oct 29 16:17:40 <ShadowJK> O3 makes much bigger code, which might make cpu caches suffer
Oct 29 16:17:48 <freemangordon> this one too
Oct 29 16:17:52 <kerio> also use -Os
Oct 29 16:18:02 <freemangordon> kerio: Os is not a good idea
Oct 29 16:18:15 <ShadowJK> I've never actually seen the gcc vectorizer do anything useful on any architechture 
Oct 29 16:18:18 <freemangordon> I am going to -O2 an f-no-fast-math
Oct 29 16:18:32 <freemangordon> that one produces 260k less code
Oct 29 16:18:37 <freemangordon> with same speed as stock
Oct 29 16:18:44 <vi_> In other news, I have aquired a new PC!!
Oct 29 16:18:46 <kerio> freemangordon: what about -Os?
Oct 29 16:18:50 <kerio> vi_: yay!
Oct 29 16:18:55 <freemangordon> congrats
Oct 29 16:19:00 <vi_> a 3ghz P4 with 2GB of ram.
Oct 29 16:19:05 <vi_> What a fucking beast.
Oct 29 16:19:22 <vi_> +2 20GB IDE HDD
Oct 29 16:19:23 <freemangordon> kerio: never used it and don't want to experiment with PA ;)
Oct 29 16:19:25 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Scores of compiler developers will disagree and become violent at your comment!
Oct 29 16:19:40 <kerio> freemangordon: it's just less than O2
Oct 29 16:19:48 <freemangordon> RST38h: at least for ARM he is right
Oct 29 16:19:49 <vi_> ShadowJK: you do not want to piss off compiler developers.  Theya re into some nasty shit.
Oct 29 16:20:05 <freemangordon> I did benchmarks with openssl
Oct 29 16:20:11 <kerio> it should result in less space used, so if it's as fast...
Oct 29 16:20:17 <vi_> freemangordon: Is there instructions some where to set up this thumb tool chain of yours?
Oct 29 16:20:30 <kerio> vi_: hahaha wt
Oct 29 16:20:31 <kerio> f
Oct 29 16:20:34 <kerio> a P4?
Oct 29 16:20:35 <freemangordon> -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math produces aout 10% slower code
Oct 29 16:20:41 <freemangordon> vi_: yes, on wiki
Oct 29 16:20:44 <vi_> YEAH. P4.
Oct 29 16:20:45 <freemangordon> just a minute
Oct 29 16:21:02 <vi_> Dissipates more W/INCH THAN A THERMONUCLEAR REACTOR.
Oct 29 16:21:07 <freemangordon> http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29
Oct 29 16:21:38 <freemangordon> vi_: come on, I am with Phenom II here 
Oct 29 16:21:52 <freemangordon> I use it to heat my room :D
Oct 29 16:22:28 <freemangordon> 160W or something
Oct 29 16:22:42 <kerio> vi_: i hope that's not really your new computer
Oct 29 16:22:52 <freemangordon> (when compiling KP of course)
Oct 29 16:23:12 <vi_> kerio: yes...why?
Oct 29 16:23:18 <kerio> vi_: wtf, it's awful
Oct 29 16:23:24 <vi_> :(
Oct 29 16:23:48 <vi_> But I got a matching keyboard and mouse.
Oct 29 16:24:20 <vi_> NExt you will be saying my 32" CRT is a bullshit.
Oct 29 16:24:24 <kerio> oh, it's ok then
Oct 29 16:24:37 <Skry> vi_: I was testing the pulseaudio install and calls on Arch and I did just that, voice call and music playing simultaneously (PA @ ~35% cpu)
Oct 29 16:24:41 <kerio> vi_: resolution? refresh rate?
Oct 29 16:24:57 <kerio> is the geometric distortion noticeable!
Oct 29 16:24:59 <Skry> ok, P4 I can still understand but.. CRT! your eyes?!
Oct 29 16:25:00 <freemangordon> CGI?
Oct 29 16:25:01 <kerio> er, ?
Oct 29 16:25:02 <vi_> kerio: Yes, both.
Oct 29 16:25:11 <kerio> :o
Oct 29 16:25:21 <kerio> it's got resolution *and* refresh rate?
Oct 29 16:25:23 <kerio> daaaamn
Oct 29 16:25:37 <vi_> Badass, I know.
Oct 29 16:25:53 <vi_> Ok, that was all lies.
Oct 29 16:26:07 <freemangordon> you don;t have new PC?
Oct 29 16:26:10 <vi_> I do not actually have a matching keyboard and mouse.
Oct 29 16:26:45 <vi_> The PC is as I described, I have a 32" LCD that I found on the street.
Oct 29 16:27:02 <vi_> It had a posit note on it that said 'this is broken!'.
Oct 29 16:27:15 <vi_> I was like, lol WTFever.
Oct 29 16:27:21 <vi_> It was indeed broken.
Oct 29 16:27:27 <kerio> haha
Oct 29 16:27:34 <vi_> Just a burst capacitor on the PSU board.
Oct 29 16:28:22 <vi_> Swapped it with some random cap I had (with a greater capacitance, correct voltage). It has ran fine for the past 4 years or so.
Oct 29 16:28:24 <freemangordon> hmm, maybe we can ask Pali to tweak prolog code to allow phone calls when BT HF is connected with music playing through either built-in speakers or 3.5 mm
Oct 29 16:30:00 <vi_> how does one import a debian source package into SB?
Oct 29 16:30:10 <vi_> Then magically churn it out as a deb?
Oct 29 16:34:21 <freemangordon> import?
Oct 29 16:34:25 <freemangordon> apt-get source
Oct 29 16:34:46 <freemangordon> or dpkg -x your_cool_source.dsc
Oct 29 16:35:13 <freemangordon> and after that dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
Oct 29 16:35:25 <freemangordon> -b is for binary only, without source package
Oct 29 16:35:38 <freemangordon> vi_: ^^^
Oct 29 16:40:19 <vi_> cool
Oct 29 16:40:45 <vi_> Maybe I can contribute by thumb-ifying newer versions of abandoned shit.
Oct 29 16:41:06 <vi_> libpoppler and evince for example.
Oct 29 16:41:28 <vi_> claws mail.
Oct 29 16:41:29 <freemangordon> yeah, why not
Oct 29 16:41:47 <vi_> there is a multitude of reasons why not!
Oct 29 16:41:56 <freemangordon> we can ask merlin1991 to create maemo-extras-thumb repo
Oct 29 16:42:13 <vi_> freemangordon: I have a raging boner at the thought.
Oct 29 16:42:40 <freemangordon> vi_: can't help with that one :P
Oct 29 16:43:05 <vi_> freemangordon: I always wanted to know.
Oct 29 16:43:18 <vi_> freemangordon: Do you actually like the half life games?
Oct 29 16:44:34 <freemangordon> yes. Actually HL is along the only a couple of games I really like. HL, freespace,umm,... lemme think...
Oct 29 16:44:57 <freemangordon> heroes (3)
Oct 29 16:45:07 <freemangordon> that's it
Oct 29 16:46:22 <freemangordon> HL has very good (and weird) humor, maybe that is why I like it so much
Oct 29 17:03:49 <freemangordon> kerio: new PA in -thumb, please test
Oct 29 17:06:57 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-29 17:11:24] <freemangordon> when on max it jumps to 26-30 %
Oct 29 17:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-28 23:02:59] <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: not strange - PROTX has a limiter/compressor
Oct 29 17:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-28 23:03:26] <DocScrutinizer51> the louder you set the volume, the more it got to do
Oct 29 17:08:07 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: makes no sense, why it has to do more, after all tih is just a high=pass filter
Oct 29 17:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Oct 29 17:08:22 <DocScrutinizer05> see ^^^
Oct 29 17:08:23 <freemangordon> no?
Oct 29 17:08:34 <freemangordon> aah
Oct 29 17:09:15 <freemangordon> well, ok
Oct 29 17:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I suspect a severe case of overengineering
Oct 29 17:10:46 <DocScrutinizer05> the link from thermo to PA is another strong indication they just did too much
Oct 29 17:12:15 <DocScrutinizer05> probably speaker DS says: 0.7W @20°C, 0.55W @100°C
Oct 29 17:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> so they found they need at least a 7th order polynomial to really take all parameters into account
Oct 29 17:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> with average and all
Oct 29 17:17:21 <freemangordon> hmm, might be
Oct 29 17:17:46 <DocScrutinizer05> XPROT been written in <4 weeks afaik
Oct 29 17:18:12 <DocScrutinizer05> from scratch, when they found the speaker emit blue magic smoke
Oct 29 17:19:11 <DocScrutinizer05> so they were like "let's make damn sure this never ever can ahppen again, don't miss the faintest influence on what goes on with those speakers!"
Oct 29 17:19:59 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Oct 29 17:20:06 <GeneralAntilles> The council wiki stuff is so outdated.
Oct 29 17:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> after all at that time they just had suffered like 3+ months delay from USB fsckup, and everybody already been thoroughly pissed
Oct 29 17:22:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and hotline when I asked when T F they will send my N900 I already paid for, told me "we found another error. So we need to fix that first. You'd not want a device that breaks after two weeks, you rather want a device shipped 2 weeks later"
Oct 29 17:22:48 <RST38h> Do I?
Oct 29 17:22:58 <DocScrutinizer05> my words ;-P
Oct 29 17:24:37 <DocScrutinizer05> esp since around that time the rumour had it that it's sth about speakers (I thought "duh, I'll not use them at extreme level, done, next! gimme my N900!!!") and it's been quite obvious that their fix would be in SW which can get updated any time later
Oct 29 17:25:41 <freemangordon> :)
Oct 29 17:25:56 <DocScrutinizer05> must've been real fun and all smiles inside Nokia maemo division at that time
Oct 29 17:26:15 <RST38h> not sure
Oct 29 17:26:34 <RST38h> probably as usual - "we are behind schedule by X weeks and nothing hasbeen done yet"
Oct 29 17:26:54 <RST38h> + cameos from UX and security people
Oct 29 17:27:13 <DocScrutinizer05> actually sth been done, they had my money since ~4 month
Oct 29 17:27:14 <RST38h> Who, unfortunately, are not ok to murder
Oct 29 17:35:11 <kerio> freemangordon: hold on, testing
Oct 29 17:35:23 <kerio> freemangordon: can i restart pulseaudio or do i have to reboot?
Oct 29 17:35:34 <freemangordon> reboot, just for sure
Oct 29 17:42:45 <kerio> freemangordon: what do i have to test?
Oct 29 17:43:44 <kerio> sound works
Oct 29 17:43:58 <freemangordon> how is the CPU usage?
Oct 29 17:44:05 <freemangordon> compared to stock
Oct 29 17:44:11 <freemangordon> should be about the same
Oct 29 17:45:55 <kerio> i have no fucking clue
Oct 29 17:48:30 <freemangordon> kerio: going to push berkeley DB in the repo, test if you dare, but make a backup of your contacts (just in cas, I am running it on my primary device for 3 weeks)
Oct 29 17:50:19 <freemangordon> kerio: just tell me how much space is freed
Oct 29 18:03:00 <kerio> freemangordon: libdb4.2?
Oct 29 18:03:08 <freemangordon> yes
Oct 29 18:03:25 <kerio> 258kB freed
Oct 29 18:03:49 <freemangordon> good
Oct 29 18:04:17 <freemangordon> so, from PA and libdb we have about 600k more free  space (and maybe RAM)
Oct 29 18:04:18 <kerio> should i make a backup?
Oct 29 18:04:35 <freemangordon> if it is your primary device, you'd better do
Oct 29 18:04:45 <freemangordon> esp contacts DB
Oct 29 18:09:01 <freemangordon> hmm, I am out of ideas what else to put in the next update
Oct 29 18:10:46 <kerio> freemangordon: fuckin TRACKER
Oct 29 18:11:37 <freemangordon> kerio: why?
Oct 29 18:11:54 <freemangordon> do you think it runs slowly?
Oct 29 18:12:32 <kerio> recompiling it with a better compiler is still much worse than the proper solution
Oct 29 18:12:39 <kerio> which would be to COMPLETELY ERADICATE IT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH
Oct 29 18:12:55 <RST38h> KILL KILL DESTROY
Oct 29 18:13:01 * RST38h waited to say that
Oct 29 18:13:02 <kerio> and carpetbomb the developers' whole countries
Oct 29 18:13:24 <kerio> freemangordon: i still appear to have contacts! yay!
Oct 29 18:14:19 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: do you think that a tactical nuke is enough to destroy poettering's heritage?
Oct 29 18:14:33 <freemangordon> kerio: the problem with trackerd is still not solved AFAIK. missing .flac and .ogg
Oct 29 18:14:35 <kerio> because that could be an even better target
Oct 29 18:15:20 <freemangordon> WTF? where is the source code of calendar-backend?
Oct 29 18:15:30 <kerio> no srsly, recompile tracker
Oct 29 18:16:18 <freemangordon> I won't until the bug is solved. It seems there are lots of clueless -thumb users I don;t w't to break their .flac and .ogg playback
Oct 29 18:16:44 <kerio> 420 BLAZE IT FAGGOT
Oct 29 18:16:47 <kerio> ( http://i.imgur.com/9uNwm.jpg )
Oct 29 18:18:15 <freemangordon> WTF? "E: Unable to find a source package for calendar-backend"
Oct 29 18:18:24 <freemangordon> wasn't that open source?
Oct 29 18:25:36 <freemangordon> ANyone has an idea WTF is that http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend/calendar-backend
Oct 29 18:25:49 <freemangordon> ?
Oct 29 18:28:17 <VDVsx> some old stuff, I guess, last commit in July 22 2010
Oct 29 18:28:43 <freemangordon> it is the same version as the one on the device
Oct 29 18:29:01 <VDVsx> ah, yah, n900 :D
Oct 29 18:29:10 <freemangordon> yeah
Oct 29 18:29:55 <VDVsx> most probably some parts are closed source
Oct 29 18:30:03 <freemangordon> the question is why is that on gitorious when there is no source code in maemo repo
Oct 29 18:30:13 <kerio> ~closed_packages
Oct 29 18:30:14 <infobot> methinks closed_packages is https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
Oct 29 18:30:52 <kerio> relicensed, apparently
Oct 29 18:31:35 <freemangordon> http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend/calendar-backend/blobs/PE1/debian/copyright
Oct 29 18:34:22 <kerio> freemangordon: nobody will care, i hope you realize that
Oct 29 18:38:09 <akls> vi_, hey! :)
Oct 29 18:38:31 <akls> vi_, I have a question about this article http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping
Oct 29 18:38:45 <akls> vi_, how can I make xbindkeys automatically work after reboot
Oct 29 18:38:53 <akls> vi_, and how can I make it work in easy debian
Oct 29 18:45:15 <kerio> easydebian is bad and you should feel bad!
Oct 29 18:47:23 <akls> kerio, wtf, why?
Oct 29 18:47:38 <kerio> i looked at the scripts it uses, they're a giant mess
Oct 29 18:47:56 <RST38h> Moo, VDVsx, how is life after Maemo?
Oct 29 18:48:14 <akls> kerio, then make it better
Oct 29 18:48:18 <akls> because I need it anyway
Oct 29 18:51:47 <VDVsx> RST38h, hey, well, there was meego, ___, and now something else, so going good :)
Oct 29 19:04:17 <kerio> RST38h: there's something after maemo? :O
Oct 29 19:07:13 <MrPingu> where or what? :o
Oct 29 19:21:18 <RST38h> VDVsx: working for Jolla? =)~
Oct 29 19:22:28 <VDVsx> RST38h, yeah
Oct 29 19:25:09 <Pali> freemangordon, calendar-backend is calendar engine
Oct 29 19:25:30 <Pali> it is code for store/access calendar database
Oct 29 19:25:51 <Pali> calendar-ui (closed) is based on calendar-backend
Oct 29 19:26:13 <Pali> calendar-backend was open sourced, but nokia forgot to include it into SDK
Oct 29 19:26:51 <Pali> source code on gitorious (in branch PE1) is PR1.3 source code
Oct 29 19:30:33 <Pali> RST38h, VDVsx, I do not trust any company. There will be again hell of non free blobs and secure boots... only next dead and useless SW
Oct 29 19:31:59 <Pali> Maemo 5 (the best mobile os) has a lot of closed critical parts: https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
Oct 29 19:34:56 <RST38h> VDVsx: Gooood =)
Oct 29 19:35:30 <RST38h> The more sane people work there, the better are chances to finally get a decent, supported device =)
Oct 29 19:42:56 <freemangordon> Pali: thanks
Oct 29 19:43:40 <Pali> freemangordon, going to rebuild it for thumb?
Oct 29 19:43:41 <Pali> :-)
Oct 29 19:43:53 <freemangordon> Pali: yes
Oct 29 19:44:11 <freemangordon> that was the idea, .so is more than 1MiB
Oct 29 19:46:44 <Pali> ok
Oct 29 19:46:56 <Pali> you can also look for other relicensed packages
Oct 29 19:47:06 <Pali> maybe there are more big binaries, which can be recompiled
Oct 29 21:15:21 <akls> vi_, :O
Oct 29 21:50:45 <akls> from the wiki dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternIncomingCall
Oct 29 21:50:54 <akls> are there any other patterns?
Oct 29 21:51:03 <akls> what if I want vibration to be constant
Oct 29 21:51:18 <jon_y> vi_: ok, will try another debug session after I get back from work
Oct 29 21:51:32 <jon_y> dsme and syslogd
Oct 29 21:55:30 <akls> ok! found them in /etc/mce/mce.ini
Oct 29 22:31:06 <akls> If I want to write a bash script that is going to work like a daemon, would it be enough to put some "sleep" commands to allow n900 to sleep when nothing is happening?
Oct 29 22:38:08 <Skry> yes
Oct 29 23:20:55 <Pali> freemangordon, you can compile u-boot with thumb if you add '#define CONFIG_SYS_THUMB_BUILD' to include/configs/nokia_rx51.h
Oct 29 23:21:37 <Pali> binary is really smaller and working in qemu
Oct 29 23:21:52 <Pali> (not tested on real n900 yet)
Oct 29 23:46:51 <GeneralAntilles> Ahahaha
Oct 29 23:46:54 <GeneralAntilles> "its only dual core........................... with a fancy screen.... its actually the SLOWEST option since it has to push that 1600p constantly through 2 cores."
Oct 29 23:46:57 <GeneralAntilles> Re: Nexus 10
Oct 29 23:47:03 <GeneralAntilles> I really, really love Engadget commenters.
Oct 29 23:48:20 <robbiethe1st> wow
Oct 29 23:49:01 <GeneralAntilles> Direct link: http://fyre.it/jRvn2B
Oct 29 23:51:13 <SpeedEvil> sigh
Oct 29 23:51:27 <SpeedEvil> GPUs people
Oct 29 23:58:06 <GeneralAntilles> Jolla's hardware announcement needs to get here soon.
Oct 29 23:58:18 <GeneralAntilles> I'm tired of drooling over Nexus 4s and iPhone 5s.
Oct 30 00:01:38 <robbiethe1st> How about drooling over Steam for Linux
Oct 30 00:29:19 <GeneralAntilles> robbiethe1st, 'cause I'm on OS X. :P
Oct 30 00:30:09 <robbiethe1st> So, upgrade to Linux!
Oct 30 00:31:29 <GeneralAntilles> Good one
Oct 30 00:36:47 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: well, still, more pixels to display
Oct 30 00:37:22 <SpeedEvil> true, of course.
Oct 30 01:09:30 <Skry> hahah, just saw the best description of vi ever: <        phrik> vi only has 2 modes: beep repeatedly, and break everything.
Oct 30 01:31:29 <RST38h> More or less so
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