**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 30 02:59:58 2012
Oct 30 09:38:24 <jon_y> Pali: how much space is saved for thumb u-boot?
Oct 30 09:38:44 <jon_y> also, thumb kernel if applicable
Oct 30 10:13:37 <brzys> im trying to compile pybluez for n900 under scratchbox and i getting an error: /scratchbox/compilers/sc2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-as: unrecognized option `-Qy`
Oct 30 10:21:35 <MrOpposite> Hi, is there a way to save my GPS position in order to later be able to get back to that spot again?
Oct 30 11:16:02 <jon_y> vi_: hey, how do I use dsme to check the wakeups?
Oct 30 11:16:36 <jon_y> also, anybody know if it is a good idea to put /var/log as 24MB tmpfs?
Oct 30 11:26:06 <vi_> jon_y: wut?
Oct 30 11:26:47 <vi_> dsme monitors important processes and kills/restarts them as they crash/get killed etc.
Oct 30 11:27:01 <vi_> This way nokia can be sure xorg for example will run all the time.
Oct 30 11:27:07 <jon_y> ok
Oct 30 11:27:24 <jon_y> I read your message earlier about dsme monitoring the wakeup signals
Oct 30 11:28:13 <jon_y> anything else to do to investigate?
Oct 30 11:28:29 <jon_y> strangely, the power drain isn't as bad anymore
Oct 30 11:28:46 <jon_y> should last about 2-3 days
Oct 30 11:30:06 <vi_> jon_y: that sounds about normal
Oct 30 11:30:26 <vi_> in truth wakeups/second is kinda irrelevent.
Oct 30 11:30:54 <jon_y> I see, should I post syslog?
Oct 30 11:30:58 <vi_> as a measurement of how long your system will last.
Oct 30 11:31:09 <vi_> find the bq27x00 script.
Oct 30 11:31:19 <vi_> and install i2c tools.
Oct 30 11:31:22 <vi_> and install i2ctools.
Oct 30 11:31:32 <jon_y> to measure the battery charge?
Oct 30 11:31:40 <vi_> this will let you read details strait from the 27500 battery controller.
Oct 30 11:31:58 <jon_y> ok
Oct 30 11:32:00 <vi_> In the data it supplies, you will find average current, standby current etc.
Oct 30 11:32:10 <jon_y> iirc there were 2 versions of the script
Oct 30 11:32:18 <vi_> I am not sure.
Oct 30 11:32:26 <vi_> I believe there is onnly 1.
Oct 30 11:32:38 <jon_y> ok
Oct 30 11:32:39 <vi_> you are perhaps thinking of the charge21 scriot.
Oct 30 11:32:46 <vi_> you are perhaps thinking of the charge21 script.
Oct 30 11:32:52 <jon_y> maybe I am confusing it with that
Oct 30 11:33:13 <vi_> bq27500 just reads the battery cell controller.
Oct 30 11:33:22 <vi_> The other is for charging without BME.
Oct 30 11:33:38 <jon_y> found it http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846
Oct 30 11:33:50 <vi_> (BME is nokias secret, closed source, in house, totally shit charging control.)
Oct 30 11:34:07 <vi_> my new n900 is rattly :(
Oct 30 11:34:23 <jon_y> some sort of charging regulator?
Oct 30 11:34:37 <vi_> what is?
Oct 30 11:34:46 <jon_y> nokia BME
Oct 30 11:34:58 <vi_> It is the software part.
Oct 30 11:35:17 <vi_> It detects the condition of the USB port and takes the appropriate action.
Oct 30 11:45:00 <Lava_Croft> vi_: i never had a N900 that couldnt do service as a kid's toy
Oct 30 11:45:04 <Lava_Croft> (in relation to the rattling)
Oct 30 11:45:15 <jon_y> vi_: http://pastebin.com/UiszPK7z
Oct 30 11:45:45 <vi_> Lava_Croft: ugh, someone has tried to repair the screen.
Oct 30 11:45:52 <vi_> and made a shit job of it.
Oct 30 11:46:04 <vi_> some of the screws on the lcd assembly are stripped.
Oct 30 11:46:09 <Lava_Croft> vi_: the build quality overall is really bad imo
Oct 30 11:46:28 <vi_> Also the ribbon connector is different to all the other n900 I have seen.
Oct 30 11:46:33 <Lava_Croft> heh
Oct 30 11:46:38 <Lava_Croft> fake screen?
Oct 30 11:46:39 <vi_> This upper assembly looks and ffels cheap.
Oct 30 11:46:53 <vi_> I have seen the inside of ~6 n900s and this one is different.
Oct 30 11:47:11 <vi_> Although it is a 2101, so probably a bit older.
Oct 30 11:47:26 <jon_y> sounds like some kind of B grade scifi :)
Oct 30 11:47:39 <vi_> Lava_Croft: well it does not say 'dexigned in finland' on the back!
Oct 30 11:47:48 <jon_y> dissecting my phone to find alien material all over
Oct 30 11:47:51 <Lava_Croft> vi_: heh?
Oct 30 11:47:55 <vi_> jon_y: yah, I open n900s, I hate it when they scream.
Oct 30 11:48:09 <jon_y> :)
Oct 30 11:48:23 <vi_> Lava_Croft: on TMO someone got a 'new' n900 that had come from hong kong.
Oct 30 11:48:31 <jon_y> you open them while they're still running without anesthetics?
Oct 30 11:48:38 <vi_> It clearly had a fake plastics retrofitted.
Oct 30 11:48:59 <jon_y> how do I get genuine N900s anyway?
Oct 30 11:49:01 <Lava_Croft> vi_: i have two n900's, one from china and one from thailand
Oct 30 11:49:29 <vi_> jon_y: It is a lottery :(.
Oct 30 11:49:38 <vi_> don't buy from the east.
Oct 30 11:49:55 <jon_y> :(
Oct 30 11:50:26 <jon_y> vi_: anything wrong with the pastebin?
Oct 30 11:51:15 <vi_> jon_y: run:
Oct 30 11:51:26 <vi_> sleep 35; bq27x00
Oct 30 11:51:35 <vi_> quickly lock the screen.
Oct 30 11:51:38 <vi_> wait 45s.
Oct 30 11:51:49 <jon_y> ok
Oct 30 11:52:11 <jon_y> vi_: disconnect charger and wifi?
Oct 30 11:54:19 <vi_> jon_y: obviously.
Oct 30 11:54:22 <vi_> go offline.
Oct 30 11:54:43 <jon_y> ok
Oct 30 11:57:40 <jon_y> vi_: http://pastebin.com/aUK63iCY
Oct 30 12:02:05 <vi_> that looks about right.
Oct 30 12:02:30 <vi_> I expect about 3-5ma standby current on a offline, standby n900.
Oct 30 12:03:41 <SpeedEvil> about reasonable
Oct 30 12:03:43 <jon_y> thanks vi_
Oct 30 12:03:58 <jon_y> sometimes when I reboot, I get weird power drains
Oct 30 12:04:05 <jon_y> tracker/indexer?
Oct 30 12:04:19 <vi_> tracker is a great program.
Oct 30 12:04:26 <vi_> I do not see what peoples problem is.
Oct 30 12:04:45 <vi_> As to what is causing your power drain, I cannot say.
Oct 30 12:05:05 <jon_y> I mean, is it cause by it running a full scan on reboot?
Oct 30 12:05:16 <vi_> jon_y: No.
Oct 30 12:05:25 <jon_y> ok
Oct 30 12:05:26 <vi_> Tracker does not do that.
Oct 30 12:05:44 <vi_> If it was tracker, you would see it as one of the top processes in top.
Oct 30 12:06:03 <vi_> have you changed any of trackers settings?
Oct 30 12:06:20 <jon_y> I've told it to exclude the other partition on the uSD
Oct 30 12:06:30 <vi_> that is ok.
Oct 30 12:06:54 <vi_> It is my opinion that activating throttling and low memory mode etc is stupid.
Oct 30 12:07:09 <jon_y> there was once that I needed to reboot in order to get all the picture viewer working again
Oct 30 12:07:14 <jon_y> not sure what happened
Oct 30 12:07:28 <jon_y> tried to delete the tracker cache manually failed
Oct 30 12:07:33 <vi_> Rarely it does get fucked up.
Oct 30 12:07:41 <vi_> Install trackercfg
Oct 30 12:07:45 <jon_y> -r doesn't rerun the tracker either
Oct 30 12:07:55 <vi_> It is a nice gui to configure it,
Oct 30 12:07:56 <jon_y> yeah, I have that
Oct 30 12:08:04 <vi_> with 'rebuild database' option.
Oct 30 12:08:38 <vi_> Sometimes thumbnailer will fail on a picture and leave a corrupted thumbnail.
Oct 30 12:08:47 <jon_y> well, after rebooting, it automatically ran a full scan and things are working again
Oct 30 12:08:53 <jon_y> not sure what happened earlier
Oct 30 12:09:06 <vi_> It causes thumbnailer to vomit all over the place, but that is pretty rare in my experience.
Oct 30 12:09:20 <jon_y> yeah, all my thumbnail were corrupted earlier until reboot
Oct 30 12:09:20 <vi_> jon_y: n900 is like women.
Oct 30 12:09:27 <vi_> Sometimes moody.
Oct 30 12:09:35 <jon_y> :)
Oct 30 12:10:21 * ShadowJK wonders why it doesn't rescan dcim
Oct 30 12:10:33 <jon_y> it did for me
Oct 30 12:10:48 <jon_y> is the tracker built on inotify?
Oct 30 12:11:03 <vi_> tracker is built on...
Oct 30 12:11:05 <vi_> tracker.
Oct 30 12:11:18 <vi_> OSS program 'tracker'.
Oct 30 12:11:37 <jon_y> I mean the monitoring system
Oct 30 12:11:44 <vi_> any tips for a new 2101 owner?
Oct 30 12:11:59 <jon_y> it doesn't poll directories periodically right?
Oct 30 12:12:08 <jon_y> yeah, I have a 2101
Oct 30 12:12:22 <vi_> jon_y: I am not sure how it deals with monitoring.
Oct 30 12:12:24 <jon_y> lots of funny issues, like u-boot not wanting to start properly sometimes
Oct 30 12:12:31 <vi_> jon_y: lame.
Oct 30 12:12:36 <ShadowJK> I mean I've copied over DCIM images from previous N900s and they dont appear in photos
Oct 30 12:12:53 <jon_y> oh, refresh the db?
Oct 30 12:12:56 <vi_> I almost wish I had kept that n900 for zeq and got him another.
Oct 30 12:13:03 <vi_> It was practically mint condition.
Oct 30 12:13:07 <jon_y> vi_: yeah, only Pali's most recent uboot got it working
Oct 30 12:13:30 <vi_> PALI RULEZ \m/ 0 \m/
Oct 30 12:13:43 <vi_> PALI RULEZ \m/ 0_0 \m/
Oct 30 12:13:55 <jon_y> earlier builds caused the kernel to emit cannot mount ubi:0 or some such
Oct 30 12:14:17 <jon_y> it works if I used flasher to load a kernel
Oct 30 12:14:27 <jon_y> after a few tries of course
Oct 30 12:15:03 <jon_y> at which point it can be compared to an old car engine having startup problems
Oct 30 12:15:29 <vi_> mmm.
Oct 30 12:15:36 <vi_> I think I want another 2104.
Oct 30 12:15:45 <vi_> 2101 for mrs vi_
Oct 30 12:15:51 <vi_> she does not neet uboot!
Oct 30 12:15:55 <vi_> she does not need uboot!
Oct 30 12:16:08 * ShadowJK appears to have 2204
Oct 30 12:16:24 <vi_> what makes 2204>2104?
Oct 30 12:16:34 <vi_> 100 better?
Oct 30 12:16:43 <jon_y> wait, I think I have a 2204
Oct 30 12:16:54 <jon_y> how do I check it from the n900 itself?
Oct 30 12:16:57 <ShadowJK> I have no clue about differences
Oct 30 12:17:03 <ShadowJK> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Oct 30 12:17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> tracker using inotify
Oct 30 12:17:28 <jon_y> yes 2204
Oct 30 12:17:44 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: thanks, that confirmed my theories :)
Oct 30 12:17:58 <vi_> DocScrutinizer05: what is so great about 2204?
Oct 30 12:18:06 <jon_y> 2204 has lots of problems with u-boot
Oct 30 12:18:31 <jon_y> like occasionally not booting up properly if rebooted too quickly
Oct 30 12:18:56 <jon_y> need to use "switch off", wait for 10 seconds before powering on
Oct 30 12:19:09 <jon_y> do it too quickly and the next boot will hang
Oct 30 12:19:36 <jon_y> it seems to boot fine after the first fail though, so for now, just an annoyance
Oct 30 12:19:47 <vi_> mmm
Oct 30 12:19:51 <vi_> I do not have uboot,
Oct 30 12:20:02 <vi_> as no other OS seems able to use the n900 as a phone.
Oct 30 12:20:17 <vi_> Without a phone the n900 is a shit tablet.
Oct 30 12:20:43 <ShadowJK> meegoce did
Oct 30 12:21:19 <vi_> yeah...meego.
Oct 30 12:21:27 <vi_> The most sucessful OS ever.
Oct 30 12:21:38 <vi_> The most successful OS ever.
Oct 30 12:21:47 <vi_> ?
Oct 30 12:22:34 <jon_y> btw, any revisions later than 2204?
Oct 30 12:23:52 <jon_y> I still remember when I first got the n900, the fresh battery could go up to a week
Oct 30 12:24:08 <vi_> jon_y: rly?
Oct 30 12:24:14 <vi_> o0
Oct 30 12:25:18 <vi_> great, the back cover is missing the kick stand magnet.
Oct 30 12:25:28 <vi_> Fuck ebay.
Oct 30 12:25:44 <gry> you could try to complain, that works at times
Oct 30 12:25:55 <vi_> Then I have to send it back.
Oct 30 12:26:08 <ShadowJK> whoah, new opera version in -devel
Oct 30 12:26:10 <vi_> Then I am 2 weeks later still without replacement n900.
Oct 30 12:26:19 <vi_> ShadowJK: where have you been?
Oct 30 12:26:25 <vi_> opera 12.
Oct 30 12:26:31 <gry> vi_: yeah, given that they asked me to send a piece of paper back to a fake shoes seller that'd be likely
Oct 30 12:26:40 <jon_y> vi_: yes, one week
Oct 30 12:26:50 <ShadowJK> vi_; only check devel every 2 months or so :)
Oct 30 12:27:07 * ShadowJK was looking for update to gpodder and/or markets today
Oct 30 12:27:31 <vi_> thgere is a gpodder update?
Oct 30 12:27:45 <ShadowJK> It seems there isn't
Oct 30 12:27:51 <ShadowJK> I was just checking. :)
Oct 30 12:29:41 <jon_y> dude, wtf is with all the linkedin spam I'm getting these days
Oct 30 12:29:52 <jon_y> I don't even know these people
Oct 30 12:30:14 <jon_y> is that like facebook for CVs?
Oct 30 12:31:46 <ShadowJK> ya
Oct 30 12:32:01 <ShadowJK> or "facebook for professionals"
Oct 30 12:32:29 <jon_y> figures
Oct 30 12:32:34 <marcellus_> linkedin is a pain in the ass
Oct 30 12:32:44 <marcellus_> had it once and cancelled it
Oct 30 12:32:54 <marcellus_> I keep getting notifications
Oct 30 12:33:27 <jon_y> I did use it once to do background check on somebody
Oct 30 12:33:35 <marcellus_> if you wanna  stop notifications you have to login to a non existing account and change the notification settings...
Oct 30 12:33:36 <jon_y> no idea if it is even reliable
Oct 30 12:33:52 <jon_y> login to a non existing account?
Oct 30 12:34:01 <marcellus_> I cancelled my account
Oct 30 12:34:15 <marcellus_> it does not exist any more
Oct 30 12:34:35 <marcellus_> but if I want to stop it, it asks me to login...
Oct 30 12:34:57 <jon_y> so make a new account with same name just to stop it??
Oct 30 12:36:40 <vi_> linkedin is fucking gay.
Oct 30 12:36:57 <vi_> But you need it in order to 'play' the game.
Oct 30 12:37:28 <vi_> The chief engineer does not hire you, the HR department does.
Oct 30 12:37:39 <marcellus_> it says this credentials were already used for an account
Oct 30 12:37:46 <marcellus_> it's a damn catch 22
Oct 30 12:37:56 <vi_> They are not impressed by your leet hax, they are impressed by your gimpy linked in page and how many loltweets you made yesterday.
Oct 30 12:38:21 <vi_> My advice:
Oct 30 12:38:40 <vi_> Make a professional looking linkedin page, facebook page, twitter account.
Oct 30 12:38:50 <vi_> Send all notifications to spam bin.
Oct 30 12:39:18 <vi_> At the very least it will give the HR departments something to look at when they decide whether you are worth their time.
Oct 30 13:34:48 <Hurrian> Alright, so I'm heading out for a trip to Hong Kong tomorrow.
Oct 30 13:35:24 <Hurrian> Planning to have my N9 and N900 nanocoated. Don't exactly feel like chucking them into a pool, though.
Oct 30 13:38:55 <vi_> nanocoated?
Oct 30 13:40:18 <Hurrian> The liquipel stuff.
Oct 30 13:40:46 <Hurrian> I bought a likely stolen CDMA SGS2 off the local version of eBay to have it coated to see if it's legit.
Oct 30 13:41:01 <Hurrian> ...before chucking my own N9 and N950 into the water, that is
Oct 30 13:44:04 <Hurrian> Given, a fully assembled device wouldn't get everything coated, and if it got chucked into a pool of chlorine treated water the results wouldn't be so good.
Oct 30 13:51:03 <vi_> How much does a coating cost?
Oct 30 13:55:39 <vi_> List of things broken on my new n900:
Oct 30 13:55:47 <vi_> 1. Kickstand magnet, missing.
Oct 30 13:55:55 <vi_> 2. Broken stylus,
Oct 30 13:56:06 <vi_> 3. Camera shutter sensor not functional.
Oct 30 13:56:10 <kerio> vi_: QQ moar
Oct 30 13:56:22 <vi_> 4. Vibration motor is shagged.
Oct 30 13:56:32 <kerio> vi_: also make sure the back of the camera sensor is half black half white
Oct 30 13:56:35 <kerio> or something
Oct 30 13:56:49 <vi_> 5. crap all over the inside of the LCD.
Oct 30 13:56:56 <kerio> "shagged" as in "fucked, but british"?
Oct 30 13:57:05 <vi_> 6. Stripped screw heads on slider.
Oct 30 13:57:09 <vi_> kerio: yes.
Oct 30 13:57:19 <vi_> I cannot believ I paid £100 for this piece of shit.
Oct 30 13:58:41 <vi_> very good condition my ass.
Oct 30 13:59:01 <kerio> hahaha
Oct 30 13:59:04 <vi_> more like 'a bit broken but still mostly works.  kind of.' condition.
Oct 30 13:59:31 <vi_> The question is...
Oct 30 13:59:51 <vi_> Do I extract his email cache and fuck with his identity?
Oct 30 14:13:26 <jon_y> vi_: do it, you know you want to!
Oct 30 14:14:04 <jon_y> for some reason I read "Windows Phone 8" as "Windows Phonet"
Oct 30 14:14:14 <jon_y> too much n900
Oct 30 14:15:37 <jon_y> wait, you can put the phone in standby? echo mem >/sys/power/state
Oct 30 14:16:05 <vi_> just lock the keypad.
Oct 30 14:16:20 <vi_> It goes into standby ~10s or so later.
Oct 30 14:16:32 <jon_y> aha, I didn't know that
Oct 30 14:19:10 <vi_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-FAULTY-NOKIA-N900-Smartphones-/221146454694?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item337d5b1aa6
Oct 30 14:19:14 <vi_> interesting...
Oct 30 14:25:49 <vi_> wtf is a 'white' n900?
Oct 30 14:30:17 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe a N900 in a white case?
Oct 30 14:33:04 <DocScrutinizer51> jon_y: N900 can suspend_to_RAM, but it's completely useless since A) power consumption is only 3mA less than optimum yero-clock idle state, and B) it wakes up after 10..30s anyway on next unsolicited message from cmt
Oct 30 14:33:35 <vi_>  I DONT KNOW THE CARRIER FOR THIS BLACK 32 GIG MODEL AND DO NOT HAVE AN SD CARD TO LOAD THE SECURITY SOFTWARE- I DID SEARCH THE WEB FOR INPUT CODES TO FIND THE CARRIER STATUS BUT CANNOT GET THE TELEPHONE KEYPAD TO TAKE LETTERS AS WELL AS NUMBERS SO SELLING AS IT IS BEYOND ME_ TOUCH SCREEN WORKS AS DO PROGRAMS _ SELLING HANDSET ONLY WITH GOOD BATTERY AND TOUCH PEN.
Oct 30 14:33:43 <vi_> ^ from ebay.
Oct 30 14:34:25 <vi_> maybe he should have installed *# enabler?!
Oct 30 14:34:39 <DocScrutinizer51> nfc
Oct 30 14:34:41 <fizzie> vi_: The third picture in the ad seems to be the "white model".
Oct 30 14:35:10 <vi_> It looks to me that these 2 n900s are fine.
Oct 30 14:35:15 <vi_> Just need a reflash.
Oct 30 14:35:52 <MrPingu> that white one looks sexy IMO
Oct 30 14:36:59 <vi_> on closer inspection, they both look fucked.
Oct 30 14:37:03 <vi_> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2-x-FAULTY-NOKIA-N900-Smartphones-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$T2eC16JHJGYE9nooiNV3BQ,t6VDW%28g~~60_10.JPG
Oct 30 14:37:36 <vi_> It is so damn hard to find a decent n900 these days.
Oct 30 14:39:18 <jon_y> vi_: would get it for £100.00, if I was in the UK
Oct 30 14:39:40 <jon_y> white case looks like flash reflection
Oct 30 14:39:59 <vi_> look at the picture I pasted.
Oct 30 14:40:08 <vi_> It is a higher res than you can see on ebay.
Oct 30 14:40:14 <vi_> The keyboard is sticking up.
Oct 30 14:40:23 <jon_y> oh
Oct 30 14:40:42 <MrPingu> Yeah indeed, however that chrome ring looks cool :P
Oct 30 14:41:12 <MrPingu> Would love to paint my N900 but don't have the balls/the money to do it
Oct 30 14:41:40 <vi_> MrPingu: all you need is 2 screwdrivers and a rattle can.
Oct 30 14:44:41 <MrPingu> Yeah already bought  T1-T8 screwdriverset 6 months ago :p 
Oct 30 14:45:56 <MrPingu> and paint from the local hobby/model shop?
Oct 30 14:46:40 <jon_y> what are you going to paint on it?
Oct 30 14:47:06 <vi_> jon_y: a penguin obviously!
Oct 30 14:47:06 <akls> vi_, are you here?
Oct 30 14:47:12 <akls> oh, yes you are!
Oct 30 14:47:12 <vi_> NO!
Oct 30 14:47:15 <jon_y> Union Jack!
Oct 30 14:47:36 <MrPingu> jon_y probably paint that alu ring chrome-like 
Oct 30 14:47:39 <vi_> BRB COFFE
Oct 30 14:47:40 <jon_y> that early UK pop music stuck in my head
Oct 30 14:47:48 <akls> vi_, I have a question about this one http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping
Oct 30 14:47:57 <akls> vi_, how can I make xbindkeys to autostart?
Oct 30 14:48:13 <MrPingu> akls, one moment let me find
Oct 30 14:48:14 <akls> vi_, I've tried creating an event.d file but seems like it's too early
Oct 30 14:49:52 <MrPingu> akls: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83643
Oct 30 14:51:58 <akls> MrPingu, AHa!
Oct 30 14:52:54 <vi_> You need to use xsession post scripts
Oct 30 14:54:03 <vi_> or what mr_ping said could work.
Oct 30 14:54:24 <vi_> His way is probably more 'proper'.
Oct 30 14:58:04 <akls> MrPingu thank you! :)
Oct 30 14:58:09 <akls> oh. he left..
Oct 30 14:58:30 <akls> vi_, ok! This one is solved! Now how can I make the same keyboard mapping work in easy debian?
Oct 30 15:01:51 <MrPingu> wtf, suddenly wifi went down on N900 and always gave me network error
Oct 30 15:03:32 <MrPingu> No matter what, tried reloading the drivers but the fscking thing kept giving me network errors and was begging for reboot :(
Oct 30 15:03:39 <akls> MrPingu, thanks!! : >
Oct 30 15:03:54 <MrPingu> akls, you are welcome
Oct 30 15:04:34 <akls> MrPingu, and maybe you know how to make same keyboard mapping work in easy debian?
Oct 30 15:06:14 <MrPingu> akls, copy the keyb map file to ED, I believe
Oct 30 15:10:00 <MrPingu> Make sure it's in the same directory but then under ED ;)
Oct 30 15:10:12 <vi_> akls: That is what I have heard as well
Oct 30 15:10:24 <vi_> then you need to run setxkbmap.
Oct 30 15:10:55 <MrPingu> my acces point is evil?
Oct 30 15:11:13 <MrPingu> dmesg is spammed with wlan0 deauthenticated
Oct 30 15:11:25 <vi_> :0
Oct 30 15:11:33 <vi_> someone is trying to hack your network!
Oct 30 15:11:43 <vi_> you are wpa encrypted right?
Oct 30 15:11:48 <vi_> what is your ssid?
Oct 30 15:11:56 <MrPingu> hidden ssid
Oct 30 15:12:02 <vi_> does not matter.
Oct 30 15:12:03 <MrPingu> wpa2 encrypted
Oct 30 15:12:04 <vi_> what is it?
Oct 30 15:12:15 <vi_> is it default?
Oct 30 15:12:19 <vi_> or did you set it?
Oct 30 15:12:26 <MrPingu> no I set it
Oct 30 15:12:33 <MrPingu> but dafuq
Oct 30 15:12:33 <vi_> inept hacker?
Oct 30 15:13:14 <MrPingu> guess so, wish my hacker good luck with a 63 char random key
Oct 30 15:13:15 <vi_> The only time you are going to be flooded with de-auths is when somone is trying to grab your wpa authentication handshake.
Oct 30 15:13:44 <MrPingu> vi_: I know
Oct 30 15:14:15 <vi_> Or if someone wants to clear everyone off a particular channel to free it up for themselves.
Oct 30 15:14:25 <MrPingu> can't be
Oct 30 15:14:39 <vi_> I want channel 1.
Oct 30 15:14:49 <MrPingu> neighbors left use c1, on the right they use 11
Oct 30 15:14:50 <vi_> Spam channel 1 with de-auths for 2 months.
Oct 30 15:14:56 <vi_> No one else uses channel 1 now.
Oct 30 15:15:00 <vi_> I take channel 1.
Oct 30 15:15:09 <MrPingu> I have c6
Oct 30 15:15:26 <MrPingu> the whole street has 1 or 11
Oct 30 15:15:31 <MrPingu> only one with 6 here
Oct 30 15:15:36 <vi_> heh, you live in the uk?
Oct 30 15:15:46 <MrPingu> Netherlands ;)
Oct 30 15:16:05 <akls> MrPingu, but what about shift+fn+key characters? Are they going to work too?
Oct 30 15:16:17 <MrPingu> in ED?
Oct 30 15:16:26 <vi_> akls: They should do.
Oct 30 15:16:36 <MrPingu> akls, honestly I have no idea but I guess they should
Oct 30 15:18:50 <MrPingu> don't forget like vi_ said to issue setxkbmap
Oct 30 15:24:33 <jon_y> how do I stop services from the terminal for the n900?
Oct 30 15:24:51 <jon_y> and how do I adjust a service so it is not started on boot?
Oct 30 15:25:09 <jon_y> don't need sysklogd running atm
Oct 30 15:26:37 <jon_y> ok /etc/init.d/klogd stop
Oct 30 15:28:31 <akls> jon_y, maybe it's started from /etc/event.d/ directory? check it
Oct 30 15:31:39 <jon_y> ok, found update-rc.d
Oct 30 15:37:41 <DocScrutinizer05> akls: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70464
Oct 30 15:44:32 <MrPingu> DocScrutinizer05: Thanks, might good for yappari too
Oct 30 15:44:45 <MrPingu> *might be
Oct 30 15:48:13 <DocScrutinizer05> MrPingu: refresh!
Oct 30 15:48:44 <DocScrutinizer05> akls: maybe not what you want for a run-once app like xmodmap
Oct 30 15:50:20 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway I treid to start xchat on maemo4(!) via xsession and it never worked
Oct 30 15:50:25 <DocScrutinizer05> tried*
Oct 30 15:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> probably an events.d job might be the right one
Oct 30 15:51:29 <DocScrutinizer05> or xmodmap would work better from xsession than xchat did
Oct 30 15:52:59 <DocScrutinizer05> according to general X11 rules, stuff like xbindkeys (not xmodmap, sorry) should get started via xsession
Oct 30 15:56:31 <MrPingu> Docscrutinizer05, I missed something? refresh? 
Oct 30 15:56:50 <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind
Oct 30 15:57:11 <DocScrutinizer05> or, rather
Oct 30 15:57:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70464
Oct 30 15:57:25 <MrPingu> Ah I see, the edit part
Oct 30 16:05:33 <PBeck> hi
Oct 30 16:06:29 <MrPingu> PBeck: hi
Oct 30 16:06:34 <PBeck> i have a problem with my n900. I have tested cssu stable  and after the installation my locale settings are broken
Oct 30 16:06:38 <PBeck> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=816659
Oct 30 16:08:15 <PBeck> i have already generated the locale, but its not working - my locale archive is 1,2 mb big
Oct 30 16:08:28 <PBeck> *locale-archive in /usr/lib/locale
Oct 30 16:08:42 <PBeck> i need a new one?
Oct 30 16:09:44 <PBeck> in the language settings of the phone is it not possible to change the language its only empty - perhaps it was a problem that i have used german and not english before the upgrade?
Oct 30 16:44:20 <vi_> what happens if two networked printers have the same IP address?
Oct 30 16:46:32 <PBeck> selfdestruction :>
Oct 30 16:48:00 <DocScrutinizer51> well, the same that always happens when two NIC 'share' same IP - *MESS*
Oct 30 16:49:56 <DocScrutinizer51> particularly your  ARP tables in switch/PCs/etc will always point to that one who answered last on WHOHAS
Oct 30 17:07:43 <arvut> hi folks, can I roll back nmap 5.59BETA to 5.50
Oct 30 17:07:46 <arvut> ä
Oct 30 17:07:48 <arvut> ?
Oct 30 17:16:21 <MrPingu> yes
Oct 30 17:16:42 <MrPingu> arvut, apt-get install nmap=5.50-2
Oct 30 17:43:19 <PBeck> so reflash and update to cssu has worked
Oct 30 17:51:14 <MrPingu> PBeck, reflash always works
Oct 30 17:56:44 <PBeck> MrPingu: :)
Oct 30 18:08:09 <akls> MrPingu, vi_ , sorry for that slow answer, but yes, copying rx-51 to ED was enough. Thank you, awesome guys
Oct 30 18:09:16 <akls> vi_, haha, another question... :D
Oct 30 18:09:25 <akls> vi_, is there something I can bind to alt?
Oct 30 18:09:33 <akls> vi_, so it's possible to press alt+f4 :D
Oct 30 18:11:38 <MrPingu> akls, That would create some sort of 5th level binding :o 
Oct 30 18:12:17 <MrPingu> akls, never tried but I think you would be better off with xbindkeys and bind alt + f4 
Oct 30 18:13:39 <akls2> MrPingu, or maybe I can set some combination to alt down event and some combination to alt up in xbinkkeys
Oct 30 18:13:53 <akls2> that's going to work, right?
Oct 30 18:16:19 <akls2> vi_, oh, and another one! can I map some key to "Delete"? I've tried it, but it didn't work
Oct 30 18:17:00 <MrPingu> akls2, just try
Oct 30 18:17:26 <MrPingu> akls2, Delete does not work in osso-xterm but it does work in leafpad for example
Oct 30 18:17:40 <akls2> OH.
Oct 30 18:18:01 <MrPingu> seems delete key is bit tricky under maemo
Oct 30 19:22:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Oct 30 19:22:57 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: thanks
Oct 30 19:51:14 <PBeck> hum is there a other workaround for the communication error (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66870)? i have dissambled the n900 completly and cleaned it
Oct 30 19:51:36 <PBeck> i have reflashed it and i have done the test with two seperate sim cards
Oct 30 19:52:16 <PBeck> i think it can be only a connection problem at the motherboard ( i have done the hammer methode, too), any other thoughts?
Oct 30 19:53:16 <kerio> PBeck: clean sim contacts, buy new sim, buy new n900
Oct 30 19:53:32 <kerio> stop when it starts working :)
Oct 30 19:53:37 <freemangordon> kerio: did you try EDS?
Oct 30 19:53:43 <kerio> freemangordon: not yet
Oct 30 19:53:44 <PBeck> checked, checked, brought a s3 *duck*
Oct 30 19:53:58 <PBeck> *bought
Oct 30 19:54:01 <kerio> where did you bring it?
Oct 30 19:54:04 <kerio> ah dammit, too slow
Oct 30 20:00:30 <MrPingu> freemangordon: when will bb-power4 added to thumb repo? Right now it's only available from the garagepage
Oct 30 20:00:48 <freemangordon> fuuu, I forgot that one :D
Oct 30 20:01:03 <freemangordon> going to compile it
Oct 30 20:01:07 <MrPingu> no worries
Oct 30 20:02:17 <Pali> freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05, I will send rx51_battery kernel driver to LKML for comments
Oct 30 20:02:29 <Pali> I think driver is ready for upstreaming too
Oct 30 20:02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> cool
Oct 30 20:02:55 <freemangordon> Pali: great, but I think they will object because of twl4030-hwmon :(
Oct 30 20:03:20 <freemangordon> hope I am wrong
Oct 30 20:03:28 <kerio> what's bb-power4? :O
Oct 30 20:03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, again prior "art" which in fact is crap?
Oct 30 20:04:08 <DocScrutinizer05> bb sounds like BB5-cmt
Oct 30 20:04:38 <kerio> freemangordon: After this operation, 16,4kB of additional disk space will be used.
Oct 30 20:04:40 <kerio> wtf did you do
Oct 30 20:05:02 <Pali> also CCing power_supply maintainers
Oct 30 20:05:06 <freemangordon> kerio: NFC, binaries are smaller
Oct 30 20:05:11 <DocScrutinizer05> BB5/cmt has its own battery management entity, though ours is retired and only monitoring
Oct 30 20:05:17 <freemangordon> I told you apt lies
Oct 30 20:05:19 <kerio> freemangordon: what about the size of the whole thing tho
Oct 30 20:05:25 <kerio> you suck
Oct 30 20:05:32 <kerio> also maybe it's an ubifs thing?
Oct 30 20:05:41 <kerio> the old binary is more compressible, maybe :3
Oct 30 20:05:50 <freemangordon> IDK
Oct 30 20:06:06 <DocScrutinizer05>  meh, I guess kerio wasn't stringently on bq24150 topic
Oct 30 20:07:00 <kerio> ooh, there's a new busybox-power
Oct 30 20:07:46 <freemangordon> MrPingu: ready
Oct 30 20:08:02 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: what the hell, i keep having these two or three seconds of ACT_DEAD mode when i reboot
Oct 30 20:08:09 <kerio> with no charger connected
Oct 30 20:08:18 <DataGhost> I'm having this weird issue which I've pinned down to python-qt apps (normal Qt apps work fine) but I can't really seem to find the cause... alarmed and syncevolution-frontend (both python-qt apps) don't really show any control outlines, backgrounds etc, just the text (for input boxes this turns out to be black on black). If I run the apps as root, they work fine. I did an strace on alarmed and 
Oct 30 20:08:20 <DataGhost> it showed that user was trying to connect() to /tmp/sapwood-:0.0, which failed with ECONNREFUSED, and root successfully connect()ed to /var/tmp/sapwood-:0.0, which are both not on the filesystem, by the way. Does someone have an idea, does it look familiar and is it fixable? I really can't seem to find the issue online. I'm using the latest CSSU-testing by the way.
Oct 30 20:08:36 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: eh= 2 or 3 seconds?
Oct 30 20:08:41 <DocScrutinizer05> eh? even
Oct 30 20:08:53 <kerio> i shit you not
Oct 30 20:09:05 <kerio> i get the charging pattern on the led
Oct 30 20:09:07 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: sorry I don't get it
Oct 30 20:09:09 <kerio> the one that blinks
Oct 30 20:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Oct 30 20:09:16 <kerio> and then - untouched - starts properly booting
Oct 30 20:09:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, normal
Oct 30 20:09:26 <kerio> that's ACT_DEAD mode, isn't it
Oct 30 20:09:31 <kerio> wtf, why is it normal
Oct 30 20:09:37 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC
Oct 30 20:09:54 <kerio> freemangordon: where is EDS used?
Oct 30 20:10:15 <freemangordon> kerio: everywhere
Oct 30 20:10:25 <freemangordon> excluding calculator maybe :D
Oct 30 20:10:31 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: lemme put it that way: ACT_DEAD is normal booted-up mode with a few services like X/HD etc not started
Oct 30 20:10:53 <freemangordon> DataGhost: does it work on device with stock firmware?
Oct 30 20:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: so during bootup there's a time window where system is basically in ACT_DEAD state, modulo it's continuing to start services
Oct 30 20:11:17 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: but why does it do the charging pattern?
Oct 30 20:11:30 <DocScrutinizer05> because it's charging?
Oct 30 20:11:43 <freemangordon> DataGhost: when it stopped to work?
Oct 30 20:11:48 <kerio> <kerio> with no charger connected
Oct 30 20:11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Oct 30 20:11:59 <DocScrutinizer05> then I dunno
Oct 30 20:12:16 <DocScrutinizer05> probably some transient bogus state of anything
Oct 30 20:12:21 <kerio> i should probably do another full-reset
Oct 30 20:12:30 <kerio> or whatever we called it
Oct 30 20:12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, I see absolutely same behaviour on my device
Oct 30 20:12:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and iirc it's been like this from beginning
Oct 30 20:13:24 <MrPingu> freemangordon: great!
Oct 30 20:13:47 <vi__> set rd mode
Oct 30 20:13:48 <DataGhost> freemangordon: not the question I was hoping for :P I remember that it worked sometime but I think the last time I used a python-qt app was alarmed and that was in sept 2011. I'm not sure if I installed CSSU before that or not. Do you happen to have either alarmed or syncevolution-frontend on a CSSU'd N900?
Oct 30 20:14:13 <vi__> set bootreason to powerbutton flag.
Oct 30 20:14:23 <vi__> no more act-dead mode.
Oct 30 20:14:25 <DataGhost> freemangordon: and it works fine as root so I'm guessing it's related to something in my profile but I have no idea where to start looking
Oct 30 20:14:26 <vi__> ever.
Oct 30 20:15:35 <freemangordon> DataGhost: unfortunately no. But I suspect if it was a general problem with CSSU, there would've been reports to date. afaik alarmed is widely used. BTW what stops you from doing a reflash?
Oct 30 20:15:48 <MrPingu> DataGhost: I syncevolution-frontend working fine and I am on CSSU-T(thumb)
Oct 30 20:16:07 <DocScrutinizer05> DataGhost: I've seen same problem for all I actually seen when I last time updated CSSU, but next boot fixed it
Oct 30 20:16:21 <DocScrutinizer05> so I hafe NFC what's been the cause
Oct 30 20:16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> have*
Oct 30 20:17:51 <DataGhost> freemangordon: I'd just rather not reflash because it's quite a hassle to restore everything again and if it's caused by something I set then that won't help anyway.
Oct 30 20:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> DataGhost: anyway the symptom is 'known', and nobody had an answer for me when I asked what's wrong with my device
Oct 30 20:18:00 <DataGhost> DocScrutinizer05: reboots don't fix it, unfortunately :P
Oct 30 20:18:01 <Pali> driver sent: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/30/446
Oct 30 20:18:28 <freemangordon> Pali: great
Oct 30 20:19:04 <freemangordon> i suspect it is time for me to subscribe to lkml too :D
Oct 30 20:19:08 <DocScrutinizer05> DataGhost: you should /join #maemo-ssu and ask there
Oct 30 20:20:45 <freemangordon> --- /dev/null
Oct 30 20:20:45 <freemangordon> +++ kernel-power/drivers/power/rx51_battery.c
Oct 30 20:20:49 <freemangordon> :D:D:D
Oct 30 20:20:53 <freemangordon> Pali: ^^^
Oct 30 20:21:29 <Pali> any problem? patch is correct :-)
Oct 30 20:21:51 <freemangordon> yeah, it is, it is just funny. you're upstreaming KP :D
Oct 30 20:22:17 <Pali> I can use any directory name for driver :-)
Oct 30 20:22:35 <freemangordon> Pali: I know, but it is still funny to me
Oct 30 20:22:45 <Pali> $ diff -Nup --label /dev/null --label kernel-power/drivers/power/rx51_battery.c /dev/null rx51_battery.c
Oct 30 20:23:00 <Pali> I have this for generating patches (to kp tree) ^^^
Oct 30 20:23:44 <freemangordon> Pali: ok, I am not saying there is some problem.
Oct 30 20:23:50 <Pali> :-)
Oct 30 20:39:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno if there's any convention about path root of a diff patch. patch -p $random always been a PITA for my understanding
Oct 30 20:44:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd assume a `patch -p1 ...` should work when your working directory is "root" of the project
Oct 30 21:02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> while patch -p0 should work to restore the file to an identical system with identical project dir
Oct 30 21:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> if your cwd is /
Oct 30 21:02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess...
Oct 30 21:03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> your -p1 should probably be a -p2 then
Oct 30 21:03:18 <DataGhost> DocScrutinizer05 we have the cause :p or at least for my case. python doesn't seem to use $TMPDIR (=/var/tmp) so it uses /tmp instead. setting TMP=$TMPDIR fixes it for me
Oct 30 21:03:36 <DocScrutinizer05> aaaah
Oct 30 21:03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> great
Oct 30 21:04:24 <DocScrutinizer05> soinds like a bug in python-qt though
Oct 30 21:04:28 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds*
Oct 30 21:05:02 <DataGhost> yeah. if you have some time, could you look into #maemo-ssu and run one of the commands I mentioned last?
Oct 30 21:05:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Oct 30 21:05:29 <vi__> I have just installed debian on my new PC.
Oct 30 21:05:33 <vi__> It has xfce.
Oct 30 21:05:38 <vi__> WTF is this shit?
Oct 30 21:05:59 <vi__> I want traditional desktop environment paradigms.
Oct 30 21:06:11 <merlin1991> then you don't want gnome 3 ;)
Oct 30 21:06:25 <vi__> When I am struggling to find xterm, I know a distro has lost it's way.
Oct 30 21:07:40 <vi__> WTFucking christ.
Oct 30 21:07:48 <vi__> There is no minimise for windows.
Oct 30 21:07:51 <DocScrutinizer05> DataGhost: just 15min to finish that movie
Oct 30 21:08:08 <DataGhost> sure
Oct 30 21:08:13 <vi__> There is no 'window list' so I can change what I am doing!
Oct 30 21:08:19 <akls2> vi_, install lxde then.
Oct 30 21:08:26 <Luke-Jr> vi__: so install KDE already
Oct 30 21:08:32 <vi__> ...already on it.
Oct 30 21:08:39 <akls2> lxde or kde?
Oct 30 21:08:44 <vi__> lxde!
Oct 30 21:08:54 <vi__> kde has lost its way.
Oct 30 21:09:23 <vi__> All I need is a mule, 40 acres and xterm.
Oct 30 21:09:47 <merlin1991> dunno xfce works for me
Oct 30 21:10:01 <vi__> You find it more intuitive?
Oct 30 21:10:07 <akls2> merlin1991, what is it for?
Oct 30 21:10:34 <MrPingu> Indeed all DEs seems to be lost
Oct 30 21:10:45 <vi__> MrPingu: lxde!
Oct 30 21:11:12 <merlin1991> hm but I do have minimize buttons
Oct 30 21:11:17 * merlin1991 checks what he really runs
Oct 30 21:11:45 <vi__> ...
Oct 30 21:11:55 <vi__> maybe I am not using xfce...
Oct 30 21:12:02 <vi__> then wtf am I running?
Oct 30 21:12:41 <merlin1991> well the debian image for xfce has no minimize buttons: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Xfce-4.4.png
Oct 30 21:13:01 <vi__> It says 'activities' on the top left.
Oct 30 21:13:02 <Luke-Jr> vi__: KDE has lost its way - but there's still nothing else reasonable
Oct 30 21:13:14 <merlin1991> vi__: debian testing or stable?
Oct 30 21:13:26 <vi__> testing.
Oct 30 21:13:35 <vi__> My desktop does not look like that.
Oct 30 21:13:42 <merlin1991> btw I *do* run xfce but have everything I expect from a desktop (including minimize buttons)
Oct 30 21:13:49 <vi__> mmm
Oct 30 21:13:56 <vi__> brb, lxde
Oct 30 21:17:27 <akls2> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-30-231718_629x64_scrot.png
Oct 30 21:17:33 <akls2> but I can't see "d" 
Oct 30 21:19:53 <merlin1991> vi___: http://cdnm.at/~christian/xfce.png
Oct 30 21:20:01 <merlin1991> that's how xfce on my debian testing looks like
Oct 30 21:20:11 <vi___> merlin1991: I am outside X right now, I cannot look.
Oct 30 21:20:18 <merlin1991> :D
Oct 30 21:20:32 <vi___> ...
Oct 30 21:20:58 <vi___> although, perhaps I could see it using svga through links2...
Oct 30 21:22:35 <vi___> libSVGA FTW!
Oct 30 21:30:15 <kerio> merlin1991: that looks like an ugly debian2/mate
Oct 30 21:31:00 <merlin1991> why ugly?
Oct 30 21:36:59 <MrPingu> looks a bit ugly but it looks functional though
Oct 30 21:38:30 <freemangordon> ugly? hehe, you should see my XP :D
Oct 30 21:40:43 <kerio> why the hell are you using an 8 years old OS?
Oct 30 21:41:07 <kerio> no, 11
Oct 30 21:43:56 <freemangordon> well, I am trying to replace it with some linux, so far the result is that ubuntu and debian does not like HPET :D
Oct 30 21:44:20 <freemangordon> adn that 64bit ATI divers lock the PC
Oct 30 21:45:31 <freemangordon> also that debian is missing the firmware for my wireless, so I cannot install it without having it on some storage
Oct 30 21:45:52 <DocScrutinizer05> the only ugly thing I can see there is upper left
Oct 30 21:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> o/ bbl
Oct 30 21:46:35 <freemangordon> night
Oct 30 22:25:18 <Skry> freemangordon: did you try disabling hpet in boot args, or is it something you cant live without?
Oct 30 22:27:24 <DocScrutinizer05> high precision e??? timers?
Oct 30 22:27:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wtf hpet
Oct 30 22:27:47 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what hpet means... 
Oct 30 22:27:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki hpet
Oct 30 22:28:00 <Skry> yeah, high precision timer
Oct 30 22:28:04 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPET (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'High Precision Event Timer' is a hardware timer used in personal computers. It was developed jointly by Intel and Microsoft and has been incorporated in PC chipsets since circa 2005. Formerly referred to by Intel as a "Multimedia Timer", the term 'HPET' was selected to avoid confusion with the multimedia timers software feature introduced in the MultiMedia Extensions to Windows ...
Oct 30 22:29:26 <Skry> its not uncommon to have problems with it on some older mb
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