**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 02:59:58 2012 Nov 06 08:39:11 Hm, last time i flashed my n900 I can't remember if I did the VANILLA_PR_EMMC first, or the PR_COMBINED Nov 06 09:31:38 do combined, vanilla, combined again. 100% failsafe Nov 06 09:31:57 narcos: ^ Nov 06 09:32:32 if you really wanna flash vanilla eMMC Nov 06 09:32:41 usually not needed Nov 06 09:33:08 DocScrutinizer51: Cool, thanks Nov 06 09:33:15 np, yw Nov 06 09:33:27 Long time no 'see' :) Nov 06 09:33:30 ~flash Nov 06 09:33:32 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 06 09:37:59 DocScrutinizer51: I feel like "used" devices need to get a vanilla-razorshave Nov 06 10:05:30 does nokia suite on windows 7 work for anyone? Nov 06 10:05:40 ffs Nov 06 10:05:43 does nokia suite on windows 7 work for anyone? Nov 06 10:58:17 does anyone have any experiance with the n900 replacement housings from fleabay? Nov 06 10:58:26 http://i.ebayimg.com/t/New-Nokia-Housing-For-N900-Front-Panel-Middle-Case-Fascia-Keypad-Back-Cover-/00/s/MTE1OVgxNjAw/$%28KGrHqN,!rUF!d!TRpCDBQSVW%28c5oQ~~60_10.JPG Nov 06 10:58:30 for example. Nov 06 10:59:01 The keyboard looks like a better quality replacement than the normal junk you get. Nov 06 11:02:42 hmm Nov 06 11:05:25 I mean the KB you normally get on ebay for the n900 is utter shit. It feels funny and the characters are printed all wrong. Nov 06 11:05:49 moinmoin Nov 06 11:07:14 morning Nov 06 12:23:01 in xchat, is there any option to disable or delete that nasty chan-close button (lower left, under chantab bar with my setup)? Nov 06 14:33:15 yes, dont use xchat Nov 06 14:33:16 solved Nov 06 14:45:44 misterc on TMO has apparently found a source of n900 otterboxes! Nov 06 14:45:57 but he will not tell anyone. Nov 06 14:46:36 He wants people to go 'through' him to get one. Nov 06 14:46:38 WTF. Nov 06 14:46:54 otterboxes? Nov 06 14:47:15 armour for your n900. Nov 06 14:47:27 hmm Nov 06 14:47:28 For when your n900 is not big enough Nov 06 14:47:31 heavy enough Nov 06 14:47:36 tough enough. Nov 06 14:47:47 Put it inside a protective armour box. Nov 06 14:48:09 I guess once you have one you can simply copy the model and 3d-print it Nov 06 14:48:13 The manufacturer has stopped making them and they are now quite hard to get. Nov 06 14:48:43 StyXman: you would need a pretty good 3d printer to get all the finer details. Nov 06 14:50:13 and a pretty good 3d designer, yes, I know Nov 06 15:17:44 goddakmnit Nov 06 15:17:48 those otterboxes look great Nov 06 15:20:08 well, you cannot get one now. Nov 06 15:23:41 yeah, they convert you n900 into a weapon for self-defense Nov 06 15:24:11 usually pulling out the n900, in these days, works the same as that Monty Python joke Nov 06 15:24:17 that made all the Germand die from laughter Nov 06 15:24:25 Germans* Nov 06 15:24:42 The laughter usually faints once you get the job done which the other person can't Nov 06 15:26:21 Lava_Croft: they laugh exactly as long as it takes me to startup remote controls and switch off some TVs... Nov 06 15:26:59 well, that would keep them laughing in my case Nov 06 15:27:04 since ive been doing that since pre-y2k Nov 06 15:27:08 with my Palm IIIxe Nov 06 15:27:12 but in the case of a stranger, yes Nov 06 15:27:17 the best thing remains the FM transmitter tho Nov 06 15:27:20 "why did you do that?" - "cause you remained laughing at my phone!" Nov 06 15:27:26 de-auth their access point and kick them all off the wifi. Nov 06 15:27:29 Breaking into people's radio stations is awesome Nov 06 15:27:29 win. Nov 06 15:27:33 especially in traffic jams Nov 06 15:28:01 Lava_Croft: route the phone mic to the fmtx. Nov 06 15:28:09 Lava_Croft: yeah my sister... so cool "you have a very nice radiostation, what channel is that?" - "it is my phone..." Nov 06 15:28:13 You can talk over the FM radio. Nov 06 15:28:18 vi_: yup Nov 06 15:30:43 I just bought 2 more n900. Nov 06 15:30:53 I might have to get a 3rd. Nov 06 15:30:53 i already have two, more than enough Nov 06 15:31:08 they are mostly being used as overpowered mediaplayer anyway Nov 06 15:31:16 1 for me. Nov 06 15:31:20 1 for mrs vi_ Nov 06 15:31:25 mrs has an iphone:) Nov 06 15:31:29 1 for developing Nov 06 15:31:38 1 mint condition for spare. Nov 06 15:32:39 phones are so massive these days. Nov 06 15:32:43 yes Nov 06 15:32:48 we seem to have regressed to the size of a brick. Nov 06 15:32:52 i dont get why phones have to be the size of a netbook these days Nov 06 15:32:57 with similar features. Nov 06 15:33:12 mrs just bought a nexus 7. Nov 06 15:33:20 the largest button in my wife's ios6.1 Maps ui is "Report a problem" Nov 06 15:33:22 dont worry, I rolled my eyse too. Nov 06 15:33:26 or something similair Nov 06 15:33:30 nexus7 is nice Nov 06 15:33:31 i have one! Nov 06 15:33:39 price/quality is outstanding Nov 06 15:33:57 i can live with the shit OS Nov 06 15:34:08 is it true it does not support writing to external filesystem when using USB host mode? Nov 06 15:34:29 probably not, we dont even use it for that Nov 06 15:34:59 have you root it? Nov 06 15:35:02 nope Nov 06 15:35:08 do you need to? Nov 06 15:35:10 rooting it still makes it shit Nov 06 15:35:11 no Nov 06 15:35:19 android cant be fixed Nov 06 15:35:40 what is the single most important thing a person should do to get the most out of it? Nov 06 15:36:01 probably the only thing one can do is update to latest jelly bean Nov 06 15:36:09 And why the hell it does not have an usd slot. Nov 06 15:36:10 overall the tablet is, for being a tablet, pretty complete Nov 06 15:36:27 because its a tablet which is made with cost in mind Nov 06 15:36:55 made with price level stratification in mind. Nov 06 15:37:00 yes Nov 06 15:37:08 and looking at the price, they did a really good job Nov 06 15:38:37 the only thing i would really do is install a different launcher Nov 06 15:38:48 so you get a bit more customization options for it Nov 06 15:40:32 oh yeah, and make sure you have two devices with Minecraft Pocket Edition Nov 06 15:40:38 its great in multiplayer over wifi Nov 06 15:42:38 minecraft, I have no patience for this. Nov 06 15:43:09 I was about to say, hanging around Maemo community and having problems with patience Nov 06 15:43:16 that must make life really tough on you:) Nov 06 16:23:31 Lava_Croft: You know android right? Nov 06 16:23:52 riddle me some questions if you will. Nov 06 16:24:17 Can you interact with an android device in a meaningful way thorugh sshh? Nov 06 16:27:16 i know very little about android, because i think its a shit os Nov 06 16:27:22 i try to use it as little as possible Nov 06 16:27:25 dinnertime now Nov 06 16:30:44 vi_: i wouldn't think so Nov 06 16:30:48 it's not really meant to be possible Nov 06 16:31:06 i mean, i don't think it's going to be much more useful than sshing into an iphone Nov 06 16:40:56 kerio: I do not know about that either. Nov 06 17:52:08 it would seem the term refurbished has been redefined. Nov 06 17:52:53 from: good as new, rebuilt with new parts as needed. Nov 06 17:53:13 to: totally shagged by a cack handed spacktard. Nov 06 17:56:06 'nah bro, that will totally buff out!' Nov 06 18:43:12 Can you interact with an android device in a meaningful way thorugh sshh? Nov 06 18:43:28 you can ssh to it, but what are going to do with once you are in? Nov 06 18:43:40 with it* Nov 06 18:44:03 android is similar to what 'boot to wine' might be Nov 06 18:49:06 vi_, you can run an app... what else.. Nov 06 18:50:54 to get some linuxness you can install busy box Nov 06 19:09:29 what is the future of maemo? Is there any future at all? It's the best device currently but we're still unable to get through closed source parts Nov 06 19:13:33 none Nov 06 19:14:05 the hardware may continue on in some way for a couple more years. Nov 06 19:14:14 but... Nov 06 19:14:22 no buts! Nov 06 19:14:52 hopefully jollamobile will release hardware of some form Nov 06 19:15:17 which might in some ways be called a development parallel to maemo Nov 06 19:16:11 what's the point of a newer hardware? Nov 06 19:16:31 the one n900 has is fine Nov 06 19:16:48 256m ram is extremely limiting for the browser Nov 06 19:17:11 no, it's fine Nov 06 19:18:09 I've just restarted my n900 Nov 06 19:18:16 142 RAM + 15 swap is used Nov 06 19:18:29 holy shit, my desktop pc uses 100 when booted Nov 06 19:18:36 hildon-home - 26 M Nov 06 19:18:50 browserd 26 M Nov 06 19:26:42 i assure you, 256 is not enough! Nov 06 19:27:29 vi_, why would you need more? Nov 06 19:31:41 hello there. Nov 06 19:32:36 hi :) Nov 06 19:33:29 how is the N9's price, currently? Nov 06 19:37:30 is n9 realy worth buying? Nov 06 19:37:35 is it even better than n900? Nov 06 19:38:11 the fact is that i sent my phone to nokia repair a bit over a month ago, with an e-mail where i talk about how the usb can be part of a design flaw, etc etc etc Nov 06 19:39:19 blablab blub lbubl bilililil . They (not surprising) refused to repair it. A bit over 1 month was needed to simply say that. Now, my friend is arriving with the phone... though i'm a bit suspicious it might be all f*__ed up from the Nokia Care not-so-care "journey". Perhaps worse than it was when I sent it. Nov 06 19:39:56 However, while i do not know many details, my friend said they would give the "successor" if i paid them 160€... Nov 06 19:40:48 n900? no resistive touchscreen? Nov 06 19:40:57 wha Nov 06 19:41:07 N9 has a resistive touchscreen Nov 06 19:41:13 i mean N900. N9 is capacitive Nov 06 19:41:24 n9* Nov 06 19:41:25 sorry Nov 06 19:41:35 keyboard?? Nov 06 19:42:19 virtual.. anyways. I might buy the N9 (and then sell it again) if they give me my N900 with faulty microUSB Nov 06 19:45:21 well, no keyboard, no resistive touch screen Nov 06 19:45:30 I'd throw it out of the window Nov 06 19:45:43 but some stupid bitch might like it Nov 06 19:45:54 because it looks like an IPhone Nov 06 19:45:55 haha Nov 06 19:47:28 The N9 has two microphones and a loudspeaker situated at the bottom of the phone. Nov 06 19:47:31 did I get it right? Nov 06 19:47:36 two mics and ONE speaker?? Nov 06 19:47:44 something is wrong here... Nov 06 19:47:46 don't ask me lol Nov 06 19:47:54 stereo recording? Nov 06 19:47:57 yet mono playback Nov 06 19:48:09 who would care about stereo recording on a phone? :D Nov 06 19:49:00 more mics -> more quality Nov 06 19:49:21 more speakers -> louder music Nov 06 19:49:34 phone -> crappy speakers Nov 06 19:49:38 so no need for speakers Nov 06 19:49:53 no, that's exactly why you need more speakers Nov 06 19:49:57 they said it's for noise cancellation during phone calls, lol Nov 06 19:50:07 Sicelo: it makes sense Nov 06 19:50:17 no sense.. Nov 06 19:52:11 why did they forget n900 to make n9 shit? Nov 06 19:52:37 vi__: how do i 80x24 on a terminal Nov 06 19:52:53 DocScrutinizer05: mazal tov on being council :P Nov 06 19:53:05 ZogG_laptop: he's what? Nov 06 19:53:18 council memeber :P Nov 06 19:53:26 lolwut Nov 06 19:53:56 check maillist Nov 06 19:54:23 Haven't check maillist for a long time :o Nov 06 19:54:29 I feel bad now Nov 06 19:54:42 mentalist, ivgalvez, doc, qwazix and neildk Nov 06 19:54:51 just got mail Nov 06 19:55:22 ok guys! Nov 06 19:55:59 nokia said my phone is irrepairable due to having damaged pads on the motherboard... Nov 06 19:56:20 buy a new one Nov 06 19:56:21 now, the pic they have on the paper is unclear because the printer sucks and everything is too bland, lol Nov 06 19:56:26 RiD: usb? Nov 06 19:56:29 yes Nov 06 19:56:46 RiD: welcome to the club Nov 06 19:56:49 lol Nov 06 19:56:51 wait for jolla or bb10 Nov 06 19:56:53 what exactly are pads? Nov 06 19:56:58 or buy 3310 Nov 06 19:57:11 RiD: the electric contacts Nov 06 19:57:18 so basically its really irrepairable? Nov 06 19:57:28 like small metalic parts on motherboard Nov 06 19:57:34 nah, it's *kinda* easy if you know what you're doing with a soldering gun Nov 06 19:57:41 depends Nov 06 19:57:45 few people solved it Nov 06 19:57:47 so its a bit like hte ones on the usb fix topic or something? Nov 06 19:57:54 RiD: it should be exactly that Nov 06 19:57:54 Not exactly like that, im afraid? Nov 06 19:57:58 oh... Nov 06 19:58:06 few advices to soil it to motherboard with cables — it's all on TMO Nov 06 19:58:06 Well, i'll talk to the guy tomorrow at nokia care Nov 06 19:58:18 yes i've seen those threads Nov 06 19:58:51 basically my friend said that the guy on nokia care said that i could get the N900's "successor" phone for about 180€ Nov 06 19:59:07 the N9? Nov 06 19:59:08 180 what? Nov 06 19:59:09 eeeeeeh Nov 06 19:59:11 I have 20-and something days to decide. Nov 06 19:59:18 it's more like a retarded cousin Nov 06 19:59:21 kerio well, i dont know. thats why im going there Nov 06 19:59:23 n9 is nice but dead Nov 06 19:59:25 because really, there is no successor Nov 06 19:59:35 damn, again :P Nov 06 19:59:42 im going to ask all details, and if I buy it, will I keep my old N900, etc bla bla Nov 06 19:59:45 anyway i hope u get lumia then :P Nov 06 20:00:01 If yes - and if it's a N9 or an expensive phone that people might be interested in buying... Nov 06 20:00:02 i'd go for it. Nov 06 20:00:09 buy lumia, sell lumia, buy two n900s Nov 06 20:00:10 180 what? what currency? Nov 06 20:00:15 € Nov 06 20:00:17 euros Nov 06 20:00:39 "about". Since my friend doesn't know the exact price and stuff. I'll have all my doubts solved tomorrow afternoon Nov 06 20:00:40 i think it's almost the prive of new one :P Nov 06 20:00:50 depends on the phone Nov 06 20:01:30 kerio: get a different terminal. Nov 06 20:02:00 also, I think i'll end up sending my N900 to someone here who knows how to repair Nov 06 20:02:03 kerio: sell 2 n900 — buy 5 3310 Nov 06 20:02:19 RiD: good luck with that Nov 06 20:02:23 i'm not trusting an half-hassed repair house that might just screw it even more :| Nov 06 20:02:47 i'll have to study the shipping prices and stuff... might end up not being worth it :( Nov 06 20:03:14 RiD: where are you from? Nov 06 20:03:14 this because nokia decided to be a twat and save 1cent on the usb port :D Nov 06 20:03:17 Portugal Nov 06 20:03:37 find solering masters Nov 06 20:03:40 i fixed mine Nov 06 20:03:59 and put expo and ruined that way the day i repeaired it :P Nov 06 20:04:13 why did you put expo Nov 06 20:04:18 gave to my friend who knew girl who can solder with needle and she fixed it :P Nov 06 20:04:26 wow Nov 06 20:04:32 RiD: so i don't rip it off again Nov 06 20:04:51 isn't expo or w/e a glue brand? Nov 06 20:04:52 it's her work Nov 06 20:05:17 RiD: it's glue but really strong one(not in meaning of superglue) Nov 06 20:05:26 it's like glue* Nov 06 20:05:28 ~usbfix Nov 06 20:05:30 it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Nov 06 20:05:34 epoxy right Nov 06 20:06:10 i could try fixing it with a hammer Nov 06 20:06:22 but i'm afraid of breaking the hammer Nov 06 20:06:27 kerio: i did it before it was cool and bot knew it :P Nov 06 20:14:21 lol. my N900 will sometimes start playing my playlist automatically after a missed call Nov 06 20:18:53 this happens as soon as the ringtone stops. weird Nov 06 20:40:40 Sicelo: Open Media Player? Nov 06 21:05:45 " kerio: sell 2 n900 — buy 5 3310" you could buy about 15 3310 for that amount of money Nov 06 21:07:17 maybe 30 Nov 06 21:08:34 I wonder if I can sell my N900 for more than I paid for it Nov 06 21:08:54 deepy\SIGSEGV, how much did you pay? Nov 06 21:09:41 deepy\SIGSEGV: why do you want to sell it :( Nov 06 21:09:54 So I can buy another and sell that Nov 06 21:10:09 pushing the prices up, gradually making people believe there's a huge market in it Nov 06 21:10:18 Also, cheaper than trying to fix the keyboard :P Nov 06 21:10:37 err, the slider sensor Nov 06 21:12:08 140EUR Nov 06 21:12:19 or no, that was teh wrong one Nov 06 21:12:19 120 Nov 06 21:13:13 well, I've bought my n900 for 75€ Nov 06 21:13:28 and now it's possible to buy one for 70€ Nov 06 21:13:43 it had one little scratch on the side, everything else is fine :> Nov 06 21:13:52 had to wait for a half of a year to find it... Nov 06 21:18:50 mm, local "flea market" site has six currently, cheapest is 60e and is in horrible condition Nov 06 21:25:45 I think I'm going to offer him 30e, could use a spare Nov 06 21:33:51 hello Nov 06 21:34:02 In July 2012 Jolla Mobile, a Finnish company founded by former Nokia employees involved in MeeGo development, announced their work on a smartphone that would run a Mer-based Operating System. Jolla intends to announce its first smartphone product during 2012.[10] Nov 06 21:34:14 why am I thinking that it's going to be a total crap? Nov 06 21:34:24 like another device without physical keybaord Nov 06 21:34:31 It's a lot cheaper Nov 06 21:34:44 I don't think a physical keyboard determines crappiness. Nov 06 21:35:51 well, unfortunately it does Nov 06 21:35:53 are there any other repositories than extras/devel/testing and ssu apps/mr0? Nov 06 21:36:07 OK then. Nov 06 21:36:24 if we wanted a phone without physical keyboard - we could live with iphones or similar android devices Nov 06 21:36:40 I'm more concerned with what the phone is running than rather or not it has a keyboard Nov 06 21:36:54 Would a Windows Mobile device with a physical keyboard be amazing? Nov 06 21:37:05 well, why would you need all linux features if you can't even type all needed symbols in a terminal? Nov 06 21:37:24 like | Nov 06 21:37:38 You can type more of the symbols you need with the softkeyboard than a physical keyboard, in my experience. Nov 06 21:37:45 lol Nov 06 21:37:55 tell me what I CAN'T type with my physical keyboard Nov 06 21:37:59 | Nov 06 21:38:03 I can Nov 06 21:38:05 tab Nov 06 21:38:08 I can Nov 06 21:38:16 for | shift+fn+l Nov 06 21:38:20 for tab fn+enter Nov 06 21:38:34 anything else? Nov 06 21:38:36 and you can type those things on a virtual keyboard Nov 06 21:38:43 So I'm not really sure what the point is? Nov 06 21:39:10 Actually, I'm not sure why I'm responding to this. Nov 06 21:39:20 Yes, Jolla will be crap. You should buy something else. Nov 06 21:39:25 while [ true ]; do echo "Can't imagine you typing this as fast as I can do it"; sleep 1; done Nov 06 21:40:16 it's fine if you have to type 10 symbols in a row with a virtual keyboard Nov 06 21:40:26 but going back and forth from letters to symbols... Nov 06 21:40:29 well, you know... Nov 06 21:40:38 maybe you're just not that terminal guy like I am Nov 06 21:42:23 GeneralAntilles, http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Nov 06 21:42:46 the only thing I can't use is "Insert" key Nov 06 21:42:48 hmmm Nov 06 21:45:44 are there other repositories than extras? Nov 06 21:46:06 sonofabit, testing and devel Nov 06 21:46:14 other than that? Nov 06 21:46:21 hmm, no? Nov 06 21:46:27 cause i got one app i cant find Nov 06 21:46:33 which one? Nov 06 21:46:38 i mean i got it on my old n900 Nov 06 21:47:21 quick status changer for im Nov 06 21:47:57 and i can't seem to get facebook to connect but it's less important Nov 06 21:48:47 GeneralAntilles, what's the problem w/ jolla ? I dont want to fire a troll , but i am pretty exited about a true qt platform Nov 06 21:49:14 RzR, nothing's wrong with Jolla. I'm excited, too. I was checking out of that conversation. ;) Nov 06 21:49:46 ok missread Nov 06 21:50:57 just curious how will you react if jolla-1 is just a n950 :) Nov 06 21:51:29 that would be awesome Nov 06 21:51:30 :D Nov 06 21:51:57 i think it will , but nok should have many patents on the mecanical part etc Nov 06 21:52:00 RzR, hopefully with better SoC Nov 06 21:52:13 and screen Nov 06 21:53:32 i am wondering how much could it take to rebuild a n950 ... in a small batch Nov 06 21:53:44 gtk04 is pretty expensive Nov 06 21:55:07 RzR: murderously Nov 06 21:55:19 Sysaxed only one scratch? Nov 06 21:55:26 RiD, yep Nov 06 21:55:41 RzR: assuming you can get the parts, perhaps $10000 for a batch of 10 Nov 06 21:55:47 damn Nov 06 21:55:54 my n900 has worn out keys Nov 06 21:56:02 probably because my nails aren't exactly the shortest but still :( Nov 06 21:56:16 it may be slightly less if you get lucky and have few board spins Nov 06 21:57:00 it would be awesome if nokia sold me a n950 Nov 06 21:57:01 RiD, it seemed to me that this guy was a girl on the inside Nov 06 21:57:14 cuz it was in a super condition Nov 06 21:57:22 lol. I wish mine was in a super condition Nov 06 21:57:40 but noooo, they can't repair usb because usb broken. Nov 06 21:57:43 :D Nov 06 21:57:51 oh, there is a small dent on the side Nov 06 21:58:00 mine has no housing dents at all :D Nov 06 21:58:37 a small one Nov 06 21:58:43 it has, however, worn out keyboard, 1 deep scratch... thanks to my brother who was playing with a flying USB cable... Nov 06 21:58:43 but the screen is awesome Nov 06 21:58:50 not scratch, more like "hole" lol Nov 06 21:58:57 let's say its 0,5mm^3 Nov 06 21:59:24 it's totally awesome to jump on my bed with that cable then let it fall right on the n900 Nov 06 21:59:29 at an enormous speed... Nov 06 21:59:33 1 week after i got the phone. Nov 06 21:59:36 oh, know what... Nov 06 21:59:47 RzR: assuming you can get the parts, perhaps $10000 for a batch of 10 Nov 06 22:00:07 if items are beeing sold 1KEUR on ebay , there is a market Nov 06 22:00:17 illegal one ... Nov 06 22:00:41 http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt Nov 06 22:00:55 you can't get the parts thpug Nov 06 22:01:02 the above is relevant Nov 06 22:02:46 RiD, one guy was trying to sell me this for 100€ https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-07-000120_1280x800_scrot.png Nov 06 22:02:58 or maybe 110€, I don't remember Nov 06 22:04:14 cheap if the key open NokiaHQ of hidden treasure Nov 06 22:04:31 is that a damaged touchscreen Nov 06 22:04:57 it looks like he accidentally left the phone exposed to high levels of gamma rays Nov 06 22:08:10 attempted scratch removal? Nov 06 22:08:48 LOL Nov 06 22:08:58 SpeedEvil he left some scratches... he should have removed the whole layer Nov 06 22:11:07 HAHAH Nov 06 22:11:46 scratch removal with sandpaper?? Nov 06 22:18:14 i think he used the key Nov 06 22:18:17 that's on the picture... Nov 06 22:20:40 but look, it worked! Nov 06 22:20:43 no scratch! Nov 06 22:20:58 just a worn out screen Nov 06 22:22:20 oh well Nov 06 22:22:27 i wonder how can people ruin the screen that way Nov 06 22:29:00 Sysaxed: you can remove scratches with sandpaper Nov 06 22:29:10 Sysaxed: but it has to be correct grit Nov 06 22:29:18 and used correctly Nov 06 22:29:22 it's called polishing Nov 06 22:29:55 yea, I know Nov 06 22:31:10 maybe this guy thought this one is for polishing https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-07-003100_347x274_scrot.png Nov 06 22:31:59 well, depends Nov 06 22:32:00 it can be Nov 06 22:32:10 you start with coarse one Nov 06 22:32:13 and then go up Nov 06 22:36:34 also known as wearing out the screen Nov 06 22:36:34 lol Nov 06 22:46:28 (( gtk04 is pretty expensive)) errrrr, look at TI zoom-II, it's like 4 times the price of gta04, for basically same hw Nov 06 22:49:11 pretty expensive for the average joe... Nov 06 22:49:48 (( RiD, one guy was trying to sell me this for 100€ https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-07-000120_1280x800_scrot.png)) HEY, I think I know that device, screen, story. Seems it's been caused by some bodylotion or sth like that Nov 06 22:50:36 ...bodylotion. Nov 06 22:50:41 what :D Nov 06 22:50:42 How would bodylotion end up there Nov 06 22:50:52 the guy once came here and admitted there was some smeary substance on the screen Nov 06 22:51:01 why would somebody apply bodylotion to n900? Nov 06 22:51:06 ... Nov 06 22:51:07 secrets Nov 06 22:51:19 I know that I'm treating my n900 as a baby.. but bodylotion.. Nov 06 22:51:41 well, you could do a phonecall with some peeling on your face ;-P Nov 06 22:51:52 haha :D Nov 06 22:52:27 well, it does really look like a cheek Nov 06 22:52:29 but still... Nov 06 22:52:39 well, ask C.S.I. Nov 06 22:52:48 they will find out everything using that photo Nov 06 22:53:20 but you also could store the device e.g. in your car's trunk, and then have a leaking reserve gasoline tank in there Nov 06 22:54:11 and that may easily wreck the plastic, and the smeary substance just been leaking separator silicone oil of digitizer Nov 06 22:55:26 any pinhole punched into digitizer will already wreck it by leaking separator oil and thus shorting the planes Nov 06 22:59:00 jacekowski: I seriously doubt you can polish dents or scars out of a resistive digitizer foil Nov 06 22:59:21 you can remove scratches Nov 06 22:59:26 surface ones Nov 06 22:59:32 mine is full of those Nov 06 22:59:37 mostly caused by the pen i believe Nov 06 22:59:47 they're only visible in certain lights and positions, thankfully. Nov 06 23:00:10 RiD, you're using your pen as a stylus too? :D Nov 06 23:00:47 Or using your stylus as a pen? Nov 06 23:01:13 oh.. Nov 06 23:01:19 i mean stylus, not pen Nov 06 23:01:25 i use the one that came with the phone Nov 06 23:01:41 its full of 4mm long scratches :( Nov 06 23:01:47 drawing too much i guess Nov 06 23:02:08 * DocScrutinizer05 still ponders selling styli of pure stainless steel, copper, or silver Nov 06 23:02:44 when I'm on math lesson and using speedcrunch I can use my pen as a stylus :D Nov 06 23:02:45 I remove scratches by replacing the protector :-) Nov 06 23:03:05 university, Sysaxed ? Nov 06 23:03:14 nah, school Nov 06 23:03:24 you're under 18 Nov 06 23:03:29 IRC is a dangerous place Nov 06 23:03:30 oooh, Sysaxed Nov 06 23:03:39 you seen your mail? Nov 06 23:03:45 memo rather Nov 06 23:03:51 it's where hackers meet eachother. Think about two boats overseas.... Nov 06 23:03:58 RiD, I'm exactly 18, last form Nov 06 23:04:08 so you failed one year Nov 06 23:04:12 nope Nov 06 23:04:17 that's how it works in Estonia Nov 06 23:04:20 well, different school system then :p Nov 06 23:04:21 It's possible ;) Nov 06 23:04:22 /msg memoserv help Nov 06 23:04:50 Here if you follow the highest level of secondary school without delays, you can be 18 too Nov 06 23:05:54 not here, unless my brain is failing on maths Nov 06 23:06:29 I will however be 18 when it ends because I switched my course Nov 06 23:06:32 You are 12 when you go to secondary school, then we have 3 levels: Nov 06 23:06:46 4, 5, and 6 years ;) Nov 06 23:07:20 meh!! >> [2012-11-06 00:43:57] [Notice] -MemoServ- Sysaxed is not registered. Nov 06 23:07:38 [2012-11-06 00:43:56] <-> memoserv> send Sysaxed mce.ini: # 2 - leave keypad interrupts on even after blanking \n # (used to support pass-through of +/-) Nov 06 23:08:04 oh Nov 06 23:08:24 oh-oh Nov 06 23:08:24 ;-P Nov 06 23:08:50 you'll never again doubt my words, will you? X-P Nov 06 23:09:07 DocScrutinizer05, how can I get this file? Nov 06 23:09:17 or maybe you could just point me to the lines that were changed Nov 06 23:09:19 cat /etc/mce/mce.ini Nov 06 23:09:36 I've scrolled the whole mce.ini and haven't found anything that could affect keys when blanking Nov 06 23:09:58 DocScrutinizer05, yeah, but what should I change to make them work? Nov 06 23:10:42 less +"/# 2 - leave " /etc/mce/mce.ini Nov 06 23:10:43 OH Nov 06 23:10:44 I see it Nov 06 23:14:22 especially for you: #> sed -i 's/DisableKPImmediately=1/DisableKPImmediately=2/' /etc/mce/mce.ini Nov 06 23:14:29 I've done it already :D Nov 06 23:14:31 thanks Nov 06 23:14:37 testing Nov 06 23:17:11 and? Nov 06 23:17:49 it works Nov 06 23:17:54 \o/ Nov 06 23:17:59 sudo cat /dev/input/keypad Nov 06 23:18:05 now lock screen, press volume keys Nov 06 23:18:07 NOW you'll never again doubt my words, will you? X-P Nov 06 23:18:20 after you unlock you'll see some garbage - it works Nov 06 23:18:30 DocScrutinizer05, sorry, Mister! Nov 06 23:18:46 you were right :3 Nov 06 23:18:51 hehehe Nov 06 23:18:57 toldya I did it Nov 06 23:18:59 before Nov 06 23:19:13 couldn't think how it would fail for you then Nov 06 23:20:43 DocScrutinizer05, how can I map them now? There's a problem - they're controlling sound volume Nov 06 23:21:27 yep, and they won't stop doing that Nov 06 23:21:39 haha Nov 06 23:21:46 you best chance is to check for uktrashort keypress Nov 06 23:22:04 or I can change the volume back :D Nov 06 23:22:14 hope it will be fast enough Nov 06 23:22:15 OR: you cehck for + and - pressed concurrently Nov 06 23:22:42 afaik volume stops to change as soon as both are pressed Nov 06 23:23:00 and you wouldn't lose volume control Nov 06 23:23:23 ok Nov 06 23:23:41 any suggestions on how to launch a script on a keypress? xbindkeys? Nov 06 23:23:58 nah, I'd google that Nov 06 23:26:21 OOOH, sorry. I suggested BS to you. N900 volume rocker doesn't mechanically alow to press + and - concurrently Nov 06 23:27:04 so detect + followed immediately by - as one meta command, and - immedately followed by + as the other Nov 06 23:31:27 as soon as you see a + or - keypress, store current volume to a local variable. if during next 0.2s you detect another (opposite) keypress (like - after +) you start whatever script you defined for that meta command AND you keep resetting volume to what you stored to local variable (maybe +/- some offset to compensate for skew introduced until you imitially read out and stored the current volume) Nov 06 23:31:40 wtf is that internal error? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Matan Nov 06 23:32:09 not unseen Nov 06 23:32:12 DocScrutinizer05, yeah, that's clear Nov 06 23:32:17 something fsckd up with wiki Nov 06 23:34:30 anyone here in SF? Nov 06 23:34:45 tmobile has been having serious outages. Couldn't even call 911 if I tried. Nov 06 23:35:06 Anyone tried verison, at&t, etc (on n900, of course)? Nov 06 23:35:11 err, couldn't if? Nov 06 23:35:12 (In SF) Nov 06 23:35:23 who's telling you that you couldn't? Nov 06 23:35:29 my cell phone Nov 06 23:35:33 zero connectivity Nov 06 23:35:35 for hours Nov 06 23:35:51 well, then maybe the network is down? Nov 06 23:36:08 It has been. Everytime I call, "we can't control how quickly the engineers work.... etc" Nov 06 23:37:45 911 overrides some 8 or 12 other calls on same time disk. So if the base station is crowded (think superbowl or sth), you might not be able to place a normal call, but 911 still works, tearing down 12 other calls to free a channel for your 911 call Nov 06 23:38:28 yes, it says "no cell connectivity" or wahtever Nov 06 23:38:32 that's how bad the coverage has been Nov 06 23:38:35 aboce applies to 2G / GSM only. Dunno what's situation on 3G / WCDMA Nov 06 23:38:36 downtown SF Nov 06 23:38:58 no 3G or HSPA - it's said "2.5G" for a month at least Nov 06 23:40:49 internetishard: if you really wanna do a 911 call, you might be better off by removing your SIM. Nov 06 23:41:13 I didn't REALLY, I just wanted to prove how shit their service is Nov 06 23:41:31 since then the modem is looking for *any* carrier to place the emergency call Nov 06 23:41:57 it *might* do same still, for 911 calls, with SIM inserted Nov 06 23:42:55 Anyway, I'm more curious about other providers. I'm just not going to pay my bill and switch Nov 06 23:44:03 your complaint about how shit their service kinda sounds like "look how bad that TV station. Since 3h they don't transmit anything, just snow and no signal on my screen, HELL they couldn't even send tsunami warnings, that's how down their transmitter is" Nov 06 23:45:22 lol Nov 06 23:45:23 yep Nov 06 23:45:38 because of what you said, the tsunami warnings (911 on cells) get higher priority Nov 06 23:45:41 it's however quite unusual when several base stations go down concurrently so you don't have *any* coverage Nov 06 23:45:51 good PoC that it's DITW Nov 06 23:46:16 I walked a few blocks and finally got my measily 2G sign back an 1 or 2 bars Nov 06 23:46:27 no, what I said applies to network overload only Nov 06 23:46:36 not to "no signal" sitation Nov 06 23:46:52 situation* Nov 06 23:47:24 quite strange Nov 06 23:48:02 especially taking into account the size of blocks I'd assume in SF Nov 06 23:48:10 Then I had to hear an earful about how the n900 isn't a "tmobile phone" on customer support Nov 06 23:48:23 usual urban cell has a diameter of less than 250m Nov 06 23:48:45 I don't know how fast it should come back - it might have come back after just one block if I had waited... After exiting an elevator it usually takes about 60s to get a bar again. Nov 06 23:49:25 your SIM might be defect Nov 06 23:50:04 since modem stores servicing cell and list of neighbour cells on SIM, to check those first after connectivity ditch Nov 06 23:50:47 Yeah, I'm going to get a new SIM before I switch to a provider since the down time of having a phone number transfered to another provider is probably even worse. Nov 06 23:52:14 internetishard: btw never tell hotline what phone you're using. It doesn't matter for anything hotline could do sth about Nov 06 23:53:05 I always assumed that, but they're all like "no!... what is the IMEI number?!" Nov 06 23:53:19 so if they ask you about your phone type, answer "it's one of those new black ones, with a huge screen. Sorry? Nah, I don't give a damn about the brand or name, I wouldn't even know where to look at to find out" Nov 06 23:53:20 they claim they enter it and "it makes it work better" Nov 06 23:54:21 I don't know what they need to know in order to, for example, bump me up to HSPA. But I learned today that regardless of price you pay, Tmo will give you either 2G, 3G, or HSPA Nov 06 23:54:23 + Nov 06 23:54:40 Which is confusing, because how does the tower decide which to provide to your phone? Nov 06 23:54:43 that's not entirely bullshit, they indeed *might* adjust stuff like audioequalization and echo cancelation to your particulr phone type. Nov 06 23:55:10 What's your reason for not telling them which phone? Nov 06 23:56:01 [2012-11-07 00:48:10] Then I had to hear an earful about how the n900 isn't a "tmobile phone" on customer support Nov 06 23:56:05 the cell architecture was so much more straightforward in scandinavia. Go to store, pay $10, get HSPA speeds after poping in SIM & entering code. Nov 06 23:56:49 sure, same here. Actually in whole Europe I guess Nov 06 23:57:13 USA is third world of telecommunication Nov 06 23:57:13 Yeah, wasn't as nice in holland, though. Nov 06 23:57:39 I've worked a town away from mountain view, and we couldn't get cable - only two DSL lines Nov 06 23:57:53 now I'm downtown SF and my comcast down speed is 6mbps Nov 06 23:58:03 and that's second to highest teir they'll provide Nov 06 23:58:37 There are some indy ISPs that are cool, which do point to point microwave, but my apartment building is in bed with ATT and Comcast, and disallows it. Nov 06 23:58:47 Then I get sad and drink alcohol. Nov 06 23:58:53 yes Nov 06 23:59:11 ooh, alcohol Nov 06 23:59:14 good idea Nov 06 23:59:19 10-4 Nov 06 23:59:21 * DocScrutinizer05 heads out to the fridge Nov 06 23:59:24 expensive one Nov 07 00:01:18 DocScrutinizer05, so I've tried mapping F7 and F8 keys in xbindkeys to some command - doesn't work when the screen is locked Nov 07 00:01:19 Hmm, http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges says "Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value" Nov 07 00:02:59 DocScrutinizer05, then where can I catch these events? Nov 07 00:06:41 seems like reading /dev/input/keypad is the best solution Nov 07 00:56:19 DocScrutinizer05, ok, got my hands onto it Nov 07 00:56:24 it works, almost Nov 07 00:56:37 I'll finish it tomorrow :3 Nov 07 01:34:23 hello! i need some help getting facebook to work Nov 07 01:34:32 i've updated libcurl3 Nov 07 01:34:38 and still nothing Nov 07 01:35:23 oh and i had to install all apps from the beginning, so might have missed something **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 07 03:00:02 2012