**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 10 02:59:58 2012 Nov 10 03:24:46 SpeedEvil: ping Nov 10 03:25:00 anybody running cssu ? Nov 10 03:25:50 not here Nov 10 03:25:57 ok Nov 10 03:27:03 could anybody running cssu-t test the command `apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade` for me? (if you're typing it, don't miss the -s !) Nov 10 05:06:20 nm. obsolete request Nov 10 08:53:41 is maemo.org gng to die in dec fr sure? Nov 10 08:54:13 i reaally need to know as eider i will b gettin a new phn or just update my n900 Nov 10 08:55:44 ...why can't you do both? Nov 10 08:57:16 it's not like your n900 will disappear once maemo.org goes down Nov 10 08:57:25 and besides, we've got mirrors already :) Nov 10 08:57:48 hmm cz i reaally dn want to waste rs1200 on another set of nokia batteries, rs1500 on mugen cover n total reflash ........ Nov 10 08:58:01 mirrors? Nov 10 08:58:17 why "waste"? Nov 10 08:58:25 again, your n900 won't disappear if maemo.org goes down Nov 10 08:58:26 hey, 1 mor doubt, wats d life of a nokia n900 Nov 10 08:58:32 disappear or stop working, i mean Nov 10 08:58:43 not being able to do shit if servers are down is an android thing Nov 10 08:59:10 cz bro, m limited on resources fr a while.. if i ws to update or buy in march, i wud hv dne both easily... :) Nov 10 09:00:10 @kiero.. yup it wnt disappear :) :) NEVER.. but widout ne community, it wnt b gng newhr again.. Nov 10 09:00:28 ...i literally can't understand what you just wrote Nov 10 09:00:49 sorryy.. Nov 10 09:01:17 it wont disappear .. but without any community it wont be going anywhere.. Nov 10 13:16:57 X-Fade: any news on autobuilder status ? :) Nov 10 13:17:14 seems to be still down for me Nov 10 13:17:33 accepts package submissions but doesn't actually build any packages Nov 10 13:20:21 * rZr http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87808# wiki.maemo.org : current archive #backup and future , #MaemO #MeeGo #Harmattan !n950club #n900 Nov 10 14:04:54 I did't choose the thumb life, the thumb life chose me. Nov 10 14:08:00 Pali: does your applet calculate the percentage by itself? Nov 10 14:08:13 kerio, yes and not Nov 10 14:08:29 kerio, if it can use rx51_battery and bq27x00_battery then yes Nov 10 14:16:16 Pali: why can't it just use the data from bq27200? :( Nov 10 14:16:45 which data? Nov 10 14:29:47 M4rtinK, autobuilder not working too? Nov 10 15:09:21 #maemo-ssu Nov 10 16:21:32 Pali: yep Nov 10 16:21:46 not good Nov 10 16:21:57 when stopped working? Nov 10 16:22:05 Pali: looks like its stuck on a package, that is aptly named "cataclysm" Nov 10 16:22:38 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/thread.html Nov 10 16:22:45 tried this morning Nov 10 16:24:23 but I have seen reports from yesterday Nov 10 16:24:46 seems like nokia going to turn off servers... Nov 10 16:24:54 maemo wiki stopped working Nov 10 16:24:58 autobuilder too Nov 10 16:25:14 yesterday maemo bugzilla not worked Nov 10 16:25:14 IIRC meego wiki is dead Nov 10 16:25:21 Maemo wiki works Nov 10 16:25:41 but you cannot edit maemo wiki Nov 10 16:25:43 even though I've saved the source for my articles, just in case :) Nov 10 16:27:41 hmm, looks like I'cant log in Nov 10 17:16:19 Pali: if bq27200 has accurate values (CI=0) then the percentage of charge available is basically that as delivered by bq27200. No further calculations needed. Percentage always supposed to be percentage of currently available max charge. If CI=1 and this bq27200 has no good values for any of the integrated/derived values, you need to calculate percentage of available charge from cell voltage, best done by a LUT. To convert this Nov 10 17:16:21 percentage to a mAh value, you might want to multiply design-capacity of the battery by the percentage of available charge as derived from cell voltage Nov 10 17:19:14 it's arguable if we want to use BSI for determining design-capacity in that case, or we rather use a hardcoded e.g 1400mAh Nov 10 17:21:13 * ShadowJK would rescale 6-100 to 0-100 Nov 10 17:21:27 with hardcoded value, user *knows* the mAh and thus TTE etc are based on incorrect values (sp when using 2nd source batteries like mugen), but user also knows the value used and easily can convert in his head to the e.g. double capacity of the battery he's actually using. Nov 10 17:23:00 with BSI, the assumed design capacity and thus current capacity might be more correct for e.g. mugen et al, but still might as well be wrong, and user has no idea what's the design capacity value used to calculate the mAh shown in system-applet Nov 10 17:24:06 I'm actually undecided what's preferable Nov 10 17:24:45 ShadowJK: nope, since device is supposed to shut down hard at EDVF, not EDV1 Nov 10 17:25:23 With my original bl-5js that was possible Nov 10 17:26:17 not with the newer BL-5J and Japod though, the "knee" is really sharp :) Nov 10 17:27:19 ShadowJK: huh? Nov 10 17:27:27 EDV1 is a good trigger for starting yelling at user about battery low, and it's supposed to happen at x>0 % of remaining charge. Since EDV1 is defined as 6% charge level on discharge, it makes sense to keep it that way, not to rescale that point in discharge to 0% Nov 10 17:28:08 ShadowJK: how good are you at kernel programming, btw? Nov 10 17:28:26 the fact that bq27200 - for adjustment reasons - jumps from 6% -> 0% doesn't change that rationale Nov 10 17:29:39 since even then, there are a remaining 6% of charge supposed to be available in cell until device shuts down Nov 10 17:30:17 i think ShadowJK says that there's not enough juice in newer BL-5Js to do a clean shutdown at EDVF Nov 10 17:30:39 if we say 0% charge is the moment when device shuts down hard, we mustn't rescale the percentage values of BQ27200 Nov 10 17:31:20 kerio: I honestly doubt that Nov 10 17:31:32 he said something about a knee Nov 10 17:31:43 I know that knee ;-) Nov 10 17:32:41 I mean that bq27200's 6% point of 3248mV is only vaguely accurate for the original bl-5js, with the new ones, edv1 point has almost enough power remaining to do clean shutdown. The voltage drops so fast I can't even see edvf coming, because the 1s refresh of bq27200 is not fast enough Nov 10 17:33:05 ShadowJK: damn, how do you calibrate it? Nov 10 17:33:22 let's do some rough reckoning: device needs 30s to shut down, might eat 1000mA during that (high values on purpose), these are 30,000mAs Nov 10 17:33:26 oh, you mean that you can't see EDVF because then it hard shutdowns Nov 10 17:33:33 ~30000/3600 Nov 10 17:33:33 8.333333333333 Nov 10 17:33:41 8.3mAh Nov 10 17:33:55 not too much for any knee, no matter how steep Nov 10 17:34:21 kerio; well edvf is at 3000-something mV, hard shutdown at approx 2800, but the decline from 3000 to 2800 takes less than a second Nov 10 17:34:58 o.O Nov 10 17:35:18 maybe when you ramp up load from 5mA to 1200mA Nov 10 17:35:47 For this battery, the thresholds would be better at 3200 and 3375 :) Nov 10 17:35:50 then voltage will drop from 3000 to 2800mV in a millisecond Nov 10 17:36:25 only on poor battery with high Z though Nov 10 17:37:15 I might agree we ideally want to allow user to config EDVF-sys Nov 10 17:37:50 but alas we virtually aren't able to allow this for bq27200 Nov 10 17:38:06 I havent done much testing at idle, but with my high-z batteries, there's alot use time left after 3248mV Nov 10 17:38:15 wtf is z Nov 10 17:38:16 (unless we find a way to reprogram the EEPROM in device) Nov 10 17:38:25 kerio; impedance/resistance Nov 10 17:38:29 oh Nov 10 17:41:28 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/volt.png the reason the cyan japod bl-5j has no datapoints logged after 3200mV is that device hard shutdown :) Nov 10 17:41:35 we might want to start a special mode when VBAT trips a user defined EDVF-sys, where system intentionally ramps up current drawn from battery to 500mA for 10s, every other minute, to let bq27200 detect EDVF(real) under a load as anticipated during shutdown Nov 10 17:41:52 dafuq Nov 10 17:42:17 for your japod that EDVF-sys should be 3350mV I'd guess Nov 10 17:43:23 DocScrutinizer05: or, you know, just do things based on voltage instead of bq27200 flags Nov 10 17:43:34 or that Nov 10 17:44:11 Another view, the point at which the lines touch the bottom is the minimum voltage needed to sustain more than 3248mV under maximum load http://enivax.net/jk/n900/margin.png Nov 10 17:44:11 though we'd never complete a learning cycle then Nov 10 17:45:08 ShadowJK: isn't that just a very screwed way to say "this battery has a Z of xy"? Nov 10 17:45:13 So with the crappy BL-5J, that point is reached at 3650-ish mV at idle, but slightly above 3400mV for the better batteries :) Nov 10 17:45:51 DocScrutinizer05; yes, but it takes into account a Z that changes between empty and full batt Nov 10 17:46:15 obviously a general rle for batteries is: the higher the capacity squeezed out of a given volume, the higher the Z of that cell Nov 10 17:46:34 rule* Nov 10 17:46:34 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png :) Nov 10 17:47:35 obviously a physical rule introduced by electrodes getting thinner the more active chemistry you cram into that volume Nov 10 17:48:18 the higher density japod and new nokia bl-5j have better Z than I ever saw with the original 1320 nokia bl-5j :) Nov 10 17:48:23 sorry, have to run to get some 'fuel' for me, for the weekend Nov 10 17:48:50 ShadowJK: that's due to better chemistry then Nov 10 17:48:55 yep Nov 10 17:48:58 or due to better geometry Nov 10 17:49:17 Charges faster, lasts longer, holds higher voltage under load :) Nov 10 17:51:34 anyway we started with calculation of charge-percentage, it's always meant to be percentage of currently provided maximum available charge of that particular battery (=100%) to the point where device shuts down (soft but inevitably) (=0%) Nov 10 17:52:27 if the values from bq27200 don't extrapolate from 6% down to the point where device shuts down, then those values have to get scaled Nov 10 17:53:16 otoh, if they don't, then those values are moot anyway, since the learning cycle is based on that EDV1 voltage Nov 10 17:54:20 so we can't assume any battery ever reching point of shutdown at maybe 15% of bq27200 calculated available charge, since then bq27200 never could complete a learning cycle Nov 10 17:54:25 so the high-capacity batteries are bad! Nov 10 17:54:48 nope, our handling of them is bad Nov 10 17:54:53 or rather, poor Nov 10 17:55:03 voltage is always accurate, right? Nov 10 17:55:22 we need a scheme as suggested by me above, to compensate for voltage drop due to Z, at end of charge Nov 10 17:55:35 yep, volatge always accurate, as is mA Nov 10 17:55:48 Ideally I'd think fire off a low battery alarm when taking into account Z, shutdown threshold would be reached at max load. soft shutdown after edv1 unless a call in progress, then just sync fs regulary and wait for hard shutdown? Nov 10 17:56:18 sounds about right Nov 10 17:56:20 hm, soft shutdown after EDV1? :s Nov 10 17:56:24 how do you calibrate then? Nov 10 17:56:47 calibration aka learning cycle completes at raching EDV1 Nov 10 17:56:55 if edv1 is raised by bq27200, then learning already happened Nov 10 17:56:58 reaching* Nov 10 17:57:50 see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh Nov 10 17:58:06 (written especially for you, kerio) Nov 10 17:58:24 :3 Nov 10 17:58:31 hey Nov 10 17:58:47 i have formatted my new 32 gb card into 3 parts Nov 10 17:58:57 but it is not showin while swap on Nov 10 17:59:07 hm? Nov 10 17:59:36 a bit more elaborate please Nov 10 17:59:38 not found.. :( Nov 10 18:00:21 while tryin to swapon , it is saying mmcblk1p2 not found Nov 10 18:00:25 you want to use a partition on your uSD as swap, but swapon doesn't allow it? man mkswap Nov 10 18:01:08 tried that but the filesystem is not showing those partitions... ls -l /dev/mmc* is not showing partition 2 n 3 Nov 10 18:01:14 or in short, i'd guess: mkswap mmcblk1p2 Nov 10 18:01:14 devilinside: you're lying Nov 10 18:01:19 or you botched the partitioning Nov 10 18:01:34 if you used a fdisk, make sure you actually wrote the changes Nov 10 18:01:52 no bro, seriously.. i just bought it now only... and partitioned using gparted. Nov 10 18:02:06 i used gparted on ubuntu Nov 10 18:02:12 did you actually write the changes? Nov 10 18:02:33 write?? apllied?? Nov 10 18:02:40 i suppose so, yes Nov 10 18:02:40 yea i did apply them Nov 10 18:02:46 does your ubuntu desktop see the partitions on the uSD? Nov 10 18:02:54 oh, i think i know what happened Nov 10 18:02:58 yupp.... gparted is still showing.. Nov 10 18:03:04 devilinside: use sfdisk -l on N900 Nov 10 18:03:16 devilinside: did you do the partitioning while using the n900's mass storage mode? Nov 10 18:03:20 the fat partition is being shown in my phone but not the swap ones Nov 10 18:03:27 yessss Nov 10 18:03:37 well, it doesn't know about the new partition table :) Nov 10 18:03:47 now what to do? Nov 10 18:03:52 easier way to fix it: remove the uSD and put it back in Nov 10 18:04:00 you can't partition the exported stuff from mass storage Nov 10 18:04:03 thnx bro .. trying Nov 10 18:04:04 DocScrutinizer05: you can Nov 10 18:04:15 BS Nov 10 18:04:24 devilinside: i don't think we share any relative, let alone a parent Nov 10 18:04:31 it's already exportin partitions Nov 10 18:04:31 DocScrutinizer05: no srsly, the whole uSD is exported Nov 10 18:04:40 NOPE.jpg Nov 10 18:04:59 mass stroage mode is NOT a card reader Nov 10 18:05:01 it's actually something that i really want to change, but it does work Nov 10 18:05:17 MSM exports /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk1 Nov 10 18:05:39 yupp it worked... Nov 10 18:05:44 thank yu bro... Nov 10 18:05:46 :) :) Nov 10 18:05:57 I AM NOT YOUR BROTHER GODDAMMIT Nov 10 18:06:01 thinking of installing cssu too :) Nov 10 18:06:11 you should do that Nov 10 18:06:14 devilinside: there was also a software-only way to fix it, mind you Nov 10 18:06:15 really Nov 10 18:06:21 but i would've had to look it up Nov 10 18:06:27 sorry have a habit of using bro in excess... Nov 10 18:06:34 probably just fdisk and then write Nov 10 18:06:45 or some way to notify the kernel that the partition layout was changed Nov 10 18:06:52 DocScrutinizer05: how do we change the exporting, btw? Nov 10 18:06:59 yes, sfdisk is supposed to call a kernel function that's meant to reread part tbl Nov 10 18:07:00 it's annoying, and it exports my swap partition Nov 10 18:07:31 DocScrutinizer05: sfdisk -R Nov 10 18:07:36 kerio: get cssu, look for my patch to blacklist partition mount. I think it applies similarly to export Nov 10 18:07:40 -R Only execute the BLKRRPART ioctl Nov 10 18:08:34 basically formatting uSD via ass rage mode isn't really supported, by design Nov 10 18:08:48 DocScrutinizer05: then why does MSM export the partition table too? :) Nov 10 18:08:58 ARM isn't designed to support it Nov 10 18:09:00 hey how to set the priority for 2 partition that i have in uSD Nov 10 18:09:19 kerio: it does that since it assumes super floppy format on uSD Nov 10 18:09:45 my take on it Nov 10 18:09:45 i'm so glad nokia thinks i'm a moron Nov 10 18:09:53 devilinside: the stock swapon doesn't support that Nov 10 18:09:56 sorry I *have* to hurry now Nov 10 18:09:57 bbl Nov 10 18:10:07 DocScrutinizer05: wait, i'm about to suggest busybox-power to a noob! Nov 10 18:10:23 >:D Nov 10 18:10:33 i have that already Nov 10 18:10:35 couldn't care less Nov 10 18:10:47 then... swapon -p /dev/ Nov 10 18:10:53 doesn't it work? Nov 10 18:14:37 after swapon on SD , tried swapoff the emmc.. it restarted Nov 10 18:14:54 ...wat Nov 10 18:15:36 hehe Nov 10 18:15:40 i tried keeping SD swap as only one.. Nov 10 18:15:54 WFM Nov 10 18:16:10 you did mkswap on uSD? Nov 10 18:16:32 no swap without mkswap Nov 10 18:16:41 man mkswap Nov 10 18:17:36 (fremantle kernel doesn't support swapfiles though, beware!) Nov 10 18:17:55 wait, what? :O Nov 10 18:19:06 what what? Nov 10 18:19:23 WTF is infobot? Nov 10 18:19:40 DocScrutinizer05: the more i hear about the stock kernel, the more i realize that it sucks Nov 10 18:20:18 why support cruft that's not used? it bloats kernel Nov 10 18:20:39 (^^^ Nokia's thinking, quite legitimate) Nov 10 18:21:44 less cruft, less bugs, less bootup time Nov 10 18:22:03 less space used up it mtd Nov 10 18:22:09 DocScrutinizer05: indeed Nov 10 18:22:22 i bet that's also the reason FOR THE SHITTON OF AWFUL STUFF IN PREINIT Nov 10 18:22:31 lol Nov 10 18:22:47 nah, that's "never touch a running system" rule applying here Nov 10 18:23:05 that doesn't apply Nov 10 18:23:14 i think you mean "don't fix what isn't broken" Nov 10 18:23:27 there hasn't been a live n810 system transferred to a n900 Nov 10 18:23:39 you're sure about that? Nov 10 18:23:59 swapfile on vfat hangs with stock kernel Nov 10 18:24:07 also, filefrag hangs :-) Nov 10 18:24:16 DocScrutinizer05: without powering it down, i mean Nov 10 18:24:23 if anything, because i doubt there's a way Nov 10 18:24:35 you'd have to physically move the RAM and tweak the CPU registers, or something like that Nov 10 18:24:49 ...i suppose it's doable with JTAG Nov 10 18:25:03 I see your point, nevertheless the saying is like i quoted it, afaik Nov 10 18:25:12 while the meaning is like you suggested Nov 10 18:26:08 I might be wrong Nov 10 18:27:04 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how to deal with "PLZ HLP! can't create xy. PLZ HLP!" PM Nov 10 18:27:25 PM!!! Nov 10 18:27:54 HLP HIM Nov 10 18:28:15 PLZ Nov 10 18:28:30 "sorry dude, I'm not an expert for that and my time doesn't allow to fix this for you in private mail. Please ask on tmo, so others might help too" ? Nov 10 18:29:20 ~+status Nov 10 18:29:21 Since Sat Nov 10 03:44:15 2012, there have been 1 modification, 11 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 10 commands. I have been awake for 14h 45m 5s this session, and currently reference 118787 factoids. I'm using about 22272 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 194.47/2.76 child 0/0 Nov 10 18:29:25 meh Nov 10 18:29:43 also Nov 10 18:29:47 ~question Nov 10 18:29:48 from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Nov 10 18:30:59 wtf, opera has started crashing Nov 10 18:31:19 gdb time Nov 10 18:31:35 lol Nov 10 18:32:01 i wonder if it's due to opera servers being down Nov 10 18:32:13 easy to check Nov 10 18:32:57 /etc/hosts is your first friend Nov 10 18:33:02 dafuq, i can't connect to my wifi network Nov 10 18:33:29 I had that a while ago Nov 10 18:33:36 only a reboot did cure stuff Nov 10 18:33:39 hm Nov 10 18:33:52 it crashes immediately after it retrieves a .js file from opera Nov 10 18:33:53 been pretty pissed about it Nov 10 18:34:06 ShadowJK: lol Nov 10 18:34:09 let's try the bleeding edge drivers :D Nov 10 18:34:46 * ShadowJK unloads and reloads normal drivers when it doesnt connect to wifi Nov 10 18:34:58 didn't help for me Nov 10 18:35:01 iirc Nov 10 18:35:27 or maybe I simply CBA, after offline mode didn't help Nov 10 18:35:44 thought offline mode would unload drivers Nov 10 18:36:33 anyway been a one-shot bug so far for me, so I forgot about it rather fast Nov 10 18:36:33 this is BS :c Nov 10 18:36:58 esp since nobody seemed to care Nov 10 18:37:32 there's that other bug in WiFi where it sticks connected to a AP that's possibly 100s of miles away already Nov 10 18:37:59 sth fishy in that WiFi crap Nov 10 18:38:22 indeed Nov 10 18:38:37 I've also seen DHCP lease not getting renewed for GPRS Nov 10 18:38:41 moving data over the air Nov 10 18:38:48 it's clearly black magic Nov 10 18:39:24 also a situation I usually have to solve by reboot Nov 10 18:39:41 connected without a hitch Nov 10 18:40:27 and occasionally (two times so far) modem blows chunks and doesn't allow 2G data connectivity anymore, while 3G works just fine Nov 10 18:40:32 -->reboot Nov 10 18:40:52 DocScrutinizer05: are you sure that can't be fixed by a stop sscd; start sscd? Nov 10 18:41:03 nope, not sure Nov 10 18:41:16 anyway, the error i was getting was "link not ready" Nov 10 18:42:28 the "can't connect to home WiFi" bug been actually rather obscure and scary. It simply didn't display my home AP anymore in list of available networks Nov 10 18:42:37 iirc Nov 10 18:42:49 maybe my memory is cloudy on that event Nov 10 18:43:49 (as you might've guessed, I spoiled it regarding shopping food for weekend - as usual) Nov 10 18:44:41 don't lie, you're german, you guys don't have food up there Nov 10 18:45:08 depends on your definition, I guess Nov 10 18:45:37 we got pretty decent milk at least, sth you never heard of Nov 10 18:45:50 let's just say edibility isn't sufficient to classify something as food, for me Nov 10 18:46:27 meh, the milk in my city is fairly decent Nov 10 18:46:49 but yeah, there's a distinct difference when compared to fresh milk from a farmer :) Nov 10 18:47:07 you actually got milk that's not been killed and ruined by heating it to 120°C Nov 10 18:47:09 ? Nov 10 18:47:16 not in stores Nov 10 18:47:25 gathered as much Nov 10 18:47:53 i thought pasteurization was a lower temperature than that Nov 10 18:48:02 UHT Nov 10 18:48:20 best-before: 2013-05-31 Nov 10 18:48:29 oh, we also have fresh milk Nov 10 18:48:47 farmer's milk tastes a bit nasty after drinking fat-free milk Nov 10 18:48:51 the one with a shelf life of... 5 days Nov 10 18:49:01 fine! :-) Nov 10 18:49:08 that's 'real' milk Nov 10 18:49:08 used to be 4, a year ago Nov 10 18:49:37 i thought that was a given, actually :s Nov 10 18:49:52 * ShadowJK likes the sausages you can get hot from small kiosks Nov 10 18:50:20 you mean there's places where you can only get UHT milk? :( Nov 10 18:50:45 * ShadowJK had never seen UHT milk before visiting germany Nov 10 18:50:51 I thought whole italy was like that, same for whole Spain, and Greece Nov 10 18:51:38 that's the "emergency" milk we sometimes buy, especially at my holiday house, because the closest shop is like 10 minutes away by car Nov 10 18:51:56 guys, how safe would you say is cssu-thumb ? My n900 is my main phone, and is highly customized, reflashing is half a day full of work, and I'm afraid something goes wrong Nov 10 18:52:00 DocScrutinizer05: i think it's fair to say BITCH PLEASE Nov 10 18:52:20 amospalla: ...why aren't you using backupmenu already? Nov 10 18:52:50 amospalla: given that, it's completely and absolutely safe* Nov 10 18:52:56 *note: may not be completely and absolutely safe Nov 10 18:53:00 youre right Nov 10 18:53:01 indeed, cssu-thimb is as safe as your backup measures are Nov 10 18:53:17 DocScrutinizer05: the same can be said about CSSU actually :) Nov 10 18:53:23 yep Nov 10 18:53:32 I rsync daily the full phone Nov 10 18:53:44 amospalla: hm, that won't really work properly Nov 10 18:53:59 i mean, it's a live system Nov 10 18:54:03 opened files and stuff Nov 10 18:54:15 well, it kinda works, but isn't exactly easy to restore Nov 10 18:54:27 DocScrutinizer05: make tarball, restore tarball with backupmenu :) Nov 10 18:54:34 and yes, you might see problems with open files Nov 10 18:54:42 ~bm Nov 10 18:54:43 i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Nov 10 18:54:50 no open files Nov 10 18:54:52 amospalla: before installing any kind of cssu you are strongly advised to install backupmenu and do a full backup Nov 10 18:54:54 easy restore Nov 10 18:55:22 amospalla: once you have that, restoring is really easy Nov 10 18:55:26 even if you completely fuck up things Nov 10 18:55:38 there's even a fiasco image of stock PR1.3 with backupmenu already installed Nov 10 18:56:02 so, there is no way to do a functional backup with the live file system ? Nov 10 18:56:14 I remember playing with backup menu some months ago Nov 10 18:56:16 amospalla: be aware though that, while maybe rather stable in binaries, the *maintenance* of cssu-thumb is sub-par and no way at same level as cssu-stable or even cssu-testing Nov 10 18:56:31 DocScrutinizer05: hey! >:( Nov 10 18:56:41 it's effectively the same as cssu-testing! Nov 10 18:56:42 yes, I guess its less stable than testing, Im using stable now Nov 10 18:57:11 well, its testing, plus new packages compiled with thumb, so there is always an added risk Nov 10 18:57:48 there's additional steps involved in setup of cssu-thumb Nov 10 18:57:53 but, I remember playing with backupmenu, and doing an rsync from root, got more bytes than could be put on that root file system Nov 10 18:58:06 doing rsync from backupmen Nov 10 18:58:06 amospalla: that's the magic of ubifs Nov 10 18:58:09 and updates are not same smooth process as for cssu-s Nov 10 18:58:12 or -t Nov 10 18:58:17 ohhh.. ok, I understand now Nov 10 18:58:48 so, what does that mean, could I restore that rsync copy later to root volume? Nov 10 18:59:04 if I have more bytes to restore than df shows me that volume can handle? Nov 10 18:59:05 file-by-file yes Nov 10 18:59:05 amospalla: well, it did fit previously :) Nov 10 18:59:21 hum... my mind can not process that, I must read about ubifs Nov 10 18:59:21 my latest rootfs backup is 303MB Nov 10 18:59:29 dd to /dev/mtd6, no Nov 10 18:59:31 it's just transparent compression Nov 10 18:59:35 ohhhh.... ok Nov 10 18:59:46 DocScrutinizer05: ubimkvol to /dev/mtd6 yes, though :3 Nov 10 19:00:00 eh? Nov 10 19:00:00 ubi is weird as shit though, even without ubifs on top Nov 10 19:00:09 it's how you make UBI images Nov 10 19:00:17 and/or flash them, i'm not sure Nov 10 19:00:18 ooh Nov 10 19:00:56 I'd like to go further the path of nanddump/nandwrite we explored some weeks ago, kerio Nov 10 19:00:57 amospalla: in theory, backupmenu can restore the tarball you made with rsync Nov 10 19:01:02 so, rsync from live file system, with right parameters is not good enough for a backup? Nov 10 19:01:08 I know it's not recommended Nov 10 19:01:19 amospalla: it's just kinda weird to restore Nov 10 19:01:21 but it would be like a copy of a hard reset state Nov 10 19:01:33 yes, but within backupmenu, I can do rsync Nov 10 19:01:42 and I remember had some script of that Nov 10 19:01:44 amospalla: because we all know unclean shutdowns are so good for your data :P Nov 10 19:01:51 amospalla: of course Nov 10 19:01:58 you can do that from rescueOS too Nov 10 19:02:13 really, any system that doesn't actually mount the maemo rootfs Nov 10 19:02:24 the question is *why*, though? Nov 10 19:02:32 DocScrutinizer05: for the kernel, you mean? Nov 10 19:02:38 the recommended way however is: do a BM backup to a tarball on uSD, restore from same tarball if needed Nov 10 19:02:54 I understand, but using it daily is a pain Nov 10 19:02:56 kerio: not only kernel, maybe even disk-image of / Nov 10 19:03:04 from inside BM Nov 10 19:03:09 DocScrutinizer05: hm, that won't work Nov 10 19:03:19 and it's also wasteful Nov 10 19:03:53 dunno, basically for such scheme it's irrelevant which partition to backup, first instance Nov 10 19:05:21 we could even do a suspend-to-disk and then get an image of the swapfile. start up system into live state rather than booting ;-) Nov 10 19:05:42 won't possibly work out for cmt Nov 10 19:06:00 offline mode/stopped sscd maybe Nov 10 19:06:08 and a few other peripherals that never get shutdown during suspend-to-disk Nov 10 19:06:56 DocScrutinizer05: anyway, apparently nandwriting/flash_erasealling an UBI volume is a big no Nov 10 19:07:02 also, this is fucking UNIX Nov 10 19:07:16 and in fucking UNIX, we make tarballs, not images Nov 10 19:07:25 the idea to install and start up a suspended live system rather than a rootfs to boot from, quite intriguing an idea Nov 10 19:07:43 Ill take the risk of daily rsync from live data :( Nov 10 19:07:46 DocScrutinizer05: you used windows 8 too much, i think Nov 10 19:08:02 nope, don't even know what that is Nov 10 19:08:21 apparently, "shutdown" means "hibernate" now Nov 10 19:08:24 restarted again... yeah i had done mkswap n then swapon.. Nov 10 19:09:39 amospalla: for daily backups rsync is probably just fine Nov 10 19:09:45 greetz Nov 10 19:09:51 hi vi_ Nov 10 19:09:51 hi Nov 10 19:10:00 can anyone jog my memory... Nov 10 19:10:10 How do I enable portrait desktop mode? Nov 10 19:10:18 I think Im trying cssu-thumb, the idea of more memory is so appealing Nov 10 19:10:18 gconftool something something Nov 10 19:10:24 amospalla: for restoring a broken system from scratch though, you wanna use genuine BM measures Nov 10 19:10:51 from backup menu, having console, network and rsync, couldnt work? Nov 10 19:10:56 vi_: where? cssu-s? Nov 10 19:11:00 amospalla: why bother with that? Nov 10 19:11:07 DocScrutinizer05: cssu-t Nov 10 19:11:22 I just managed to clone a second n900 from my first. Nov 10 19:11:26 it is for mrs vi__ Nov 10 19:11:36 What a mission. Nov 10 19:11:37 vi_: in -t you got that status-applet Nov 10 19:11:45 yup. Nov 10 19:11:55 All the applications rotate, just not the desktop. Nov 10 19:12:06 portait autorotate should be on by default Nov 10 19:12:18 ooh, see cssu wiki Nov 10 19:12:21 I went out of my way to remove portrait mode from my device. Nov 10 19:12:25 kerio: beucause my daily backup consists of rsync data, and the restore is best done from backupmenu Nov 10 19:12:46 and having backupmenu with network and an rsync executable, I can restore Nov 10 19:12:49 amospalla: yeah but it's going to be a lot faster if you make a full backup on a local storage medium Nov 10 19:12:54 found it... Nov 10 19:12:56 I think Nov 10 19:13:13 IroN900:~# cat bin/no-portrait-gconfkey Nov 10 19:13:14 #!/bin/sh Nov 10 19:13:16 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false Nov 10 19:13:26 yes, true, but what I try to explain is that what is more comfortable is backup from live data, rsync script, that have to shutdown and do backupmenu Nov 10 19:13:27 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/desktop_orientation_lock -t bool true Nov 10 19:13:43 heh, you beat me to it. Nov 10 19:14:01 It is crazy how utterly different everyones N900 setup is. Nov 10 19:16:43 amospalla: see my previous suggestion to do 'full' backup via BM once, and keep rsync for later recovery of latest changes Nov 10 19:17:08 DocScrutinizer05: oh I understand Nov 10 19:19:03 I'm also doing daily rsync, see Nov 10 19:19:06 ~jrtools Nov 10 19:19:07 i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 10 19:19:24 all down to the bottom of that page Nov 10 19:19:37 completely invisible to me Nov 10 19:19:52 this reminds me, i should make a BM backup Nov 10 19:19:57 still I doo a BM backup before any system upgrade Nov 10 19:20:12 i only do that before testing silly things :3 Nov 10 19:20:17 like Pali's bme replacement Nov 10 19:20:24 that too Nov 10 19:20:27 turns out a good way to speed up going from reflash to backup menu installed is to set r&D mode when you do a flash. Nov 10 19:20:57 dafuq, my phone entered ACT_DEAD mode on shutdown Nov 10 19:21:04 This allows root access without rootsh package (which involves using HAM) Nov 10 19:21:22 vi_: tru dat Nov 10 19:21:32 an even faster way is to restore robbiethe1st's fiasco image Nov 10 19:21:33 which inturn allows you to edit sources.list and activate extras in one move. Nov 10 19:21:44 kerio: How did he make that image? Nov 10 19:21:53 idk Nov 10 19:21:59 this is a lot of interesting information Nov 10 19:22:09 kerio: God knows what spyware and porndialers he hid in it. Nov 10 19:22:14 activate extras? AFAIK it's activvated by default since PR1.2 Nov 10 19:22:31 ah. You are too young to remember porn dialers. Nov 10 19:22:42 DocScrutinizer05: apparently hammering on the power button can cause that Nov 10 19:22:44 vi_: nope Nov 10 19:22:48 not *that* young Nov 10 19:22:57 ...how young? Nov 10 19:22:58 (i did get DSL at a young age, though) Nov 10 19:23:11 i was born in '92 Nov 10 19:23:17 I *wrote* them ;-P Nov 10 19:23:21 Is that a fucking joke? Nov 10 19:23:26 no sir Nov 10 19:23:33 hold on, which part? Nov 10 19:23:39 my age, or the fact that i remember dialers? Nov 10 19:23:46 Your age. Nov 10 19:23:50 neither is a joke, i'm afraid Nov 10 19:24:16 I have never read jwtools before. Nov 10 19:24:23 There is some interesting shit here. Nov 10 19:24:23 vi_: i'm sorry you're more likely to die before me :( Nov 10 19:24:24 vi_: why a joke? you thought he's 8 years? Nov 10 19:24:33 DocScrutinizer05: like, 14. Nov 10 19:24:39 haha Nov 10 19:24:44 * kerio feels insulted Nov 10 19:25:42 vi_: (jrtools) hehe, see what you've missed Nov 10 19:27:11 fix a bug that re-appears with each new CSSU upgrade: Nov 10 19:27:12 apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support Nov 10 19:27:16 ^what is this? Nov 10 19:27:29 vi_: something that's not needed anymore Nov 10 19:27:49 wow, man-db-n900, how many times Ive done man xx Nov 10 19:28:05 vi_: if it turns out that it's needed, file a bug :) Nov 10 19:29:26 anyone knows what is that gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 ? Nov 10 19:30:17 alt-tab-like task-switching Nov 10 19:30:28 amospalla: Yes, you want it. Nov 10 19:30:41 * kerio doesn't use it Nov 10 19:31:41 kerio: Is pali's non bme charging working yet? Nov 10 19:31:49 been using it for a couple of days Nov 10 19:31:51 works fine Nov 10 19:32:02 once i woke up to a shut-down n900, though Nov 10 19:32:07 charging Nov 10 19:33:02 kerio: You have bme killed at the time? Nov 10 19:33:03 with nothing in the logs Nov 10 19:33:18 vi_: if you have the whole replacement package installed, you have *no bme* Nov 10 19:33:35 kerio: aah, so it was plugged in, failed to charge and ran out of battery? Nov 10 19:33:44 no, no, it was charging Nov 10 19:33:53 charging and died? Nov 10 19:34:06 (besides, i went to sleep when the battery was like at half charge, it should've survived a night in standby) Nov 10 19:34:09 i have no fucking clue Nov 10 19:35:04 anyway, install it Nov 10 19:35:05 it's neat Nov 10 19:35:37 I will. Nov 10 19:35:41 On my stunt n900 Nov 10 19:36:07 no more bricking my main phone for me. Nov 10 19:53:03 when is the next update Nov 10 19:56:19 ron0062000: update of what? Nov 10 19:56:43 ssu testing Nov 10 19:56:58 pending since ~2 weeks now Nov 10 19:57:17 ask merlin1991 Nov 10 19:57:30 ok Nov 10 19:59:13 seems each time we're about to start internal rollout tests of image to deploy, somebody pops up with a bugreport against one of the included components and makes us postpone the rollout Nov 10 20:00:09 I'm not saying this is the supposed way to handle things, but actually it seems it's how things are handled right now Nov 10 20:02:15 aiui one of the problems is that there's no easy procedure to roll back to a previous version of compnents already delivered/shipped in former cssu revisions. I might be wrong on that Nov 10 20:04:33 i need help should community ssu testing catalogs be open or community ssh be open or both Nov 10 20:06:04 i ment ssu Nov 10 20:06:37 (( ^what is this?)) check apt-cache policy rtcom-accounts-voip-support. if it's not installed, you got hit by that bug Nov 10 20:06:50 the bug disables voip calls Nov 10 20:07:04 SIP, not friggin skype Nov 10 20:09:20 ron0062000: depending on your flavor you installed, you should keep catalog for testing or catalog for stable enabled. Don't mess with the other catalogs unless you know what you're doing Nov 10 20:10:28 my flavor is testing Nov 10 20:13:04 then your catalog "Community SSU (testing)" should be enabled, all other "Community *" catalogs disabled Nov 10 20:13:24 thank Nov 10 20:13:28 yw Nov 10 20:13:56 Pali: security reasons, eh? ;-P Nov 10 20:15:30 one of the secrets of a userfriendly distro is to follow same policy as much as possible, at very least inside one domain/topic, like HAM catalogs Nov 10 20:17:04 assuming user knows which of the "Community *" catalogs to enable or disable, while not allowing user to edit name of maemo-extras is hardly following one consistent policy Nov 10 20:18:11 help!! kiero :'( Nov 10 20:18:19 DocScrutinizer05: the "correct" thing would be to separate the GPG keys for each repo, and then add those keys to HAM Nov 10 20:18:20 it is still rebooting.. :( Nov 10 20:18:22 in a hidden way Nov 10 20:18:30 devilinside: dude, i don't know what you've done Nov 10 20:18:42 if CSSU policy regarding catalog handling is to allow user all reasonable freedom of choice (sth I support much), then we should apply same policy to all catalogs Nov 10 20:18:47 did everything written in wiki.. Nov 10 20:18:59 written *where* in the wiki? Nov 10 20:19:10 how have you disabled the swap partition on the eMMC? Nov 10 20:19:14 wenever i swapon , the ram goes to 197m n then it rebboots after sometime.. Nov 10 20:19:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD Nov 10 20:19:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Swap_on_microSD Nov 10 20:20:10 tried the first script.. it rebooted instantly.. Nov 10 20:20:11 devilinside: if your swaps are not same size, then switching off the larger swap might not get compensated by providing a new smaller swap. result would be a reboot Nov 10 20:20:46 my swap size are of 1.5 gb each.. Nov 10 20:20:55 o.O Nov 10 20:21:15 too much, frankly Nov 10 20:21:32 DocScrutinizer05: i've got 1gb, but only because otherwise the fucking image viewer complains about "too little memory" Nov 10 20:21:50 i used to run 4gb Nov 10 20:22:23 @doc - ned to lower it? Nov 10 20:22:31 4gb in one partition? Nov 10 20:22:41 devilinside: meh, i don't think it's the reason Nov 10 20:22:52 it could be the stupid "reboot on $something unresponsive due to IO" Nov 10 20:23:19 then what hould be? on swap on, the ram usage goes near 200M Nov 10 20:23:28 wait, what? Nov 10 20:23:36 that makes no sense Nov 10 20:23:40 tried that nice -20 but failed.. Nov 10 20:24:21 *197M Nov 10 20:24:21 normally, ram usage is 145 M , and then it suddenly goes to 1297 M ... conky.. Nov 10 20:24:27 n more.. Nov 10 20:24:41 i don't get it Nov 10 20:24:53 ram *usage* at more than 1GB is not normal Nov 10 20:25:01 and the fact that it causes reboots is unsurprising Nov 10 20:25:33 exec | sudo gainroot < before swapon , on normal emmc swap ram is nearly used abiut 145 M to 160 M.. but as soon as i swap on it goes to 197 n comes down to 189M Nov 10 20:26:16 DocScrutinizer05: which package does that? Nov 10 20:26:18 I wouldn't even know how to read that Nov 10 20:26:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Swap_on_microSD Nov 10 20:26:31 oh gods Nov 10 20:26:47 exec a pipe to sudo? Nov 10 20:26:59 or what does that mean? Nov 10 20:27:05 execs "exec sh $0 $*" or something Nov 10 20:27:10 as root Nov 10 20:27:12 i don't even Nov 10 20:27:17 you can't exec a pipe Nov 10 20:27:20 afaik Nov 10 20:27:23 no idea.. askthose who wrote the script... Nov 10 20:27:34 he's not executing a pipe Nov 10 20:27:38 its something to get root prweviliges.. Nov 10 20:27:41 he's executing, and piping the output to Nov 10 20:27:41 maybe.. Nov 10 20:27:55 kerio: no way Nov 10 20:28:03 i should put my swapswap script there Nov 10 20:28:16 do it plzz.. Nov 10 20:28:21 input to sudo gainroot is redirected from here-document Nov 10 20:28:53 so no way to pipe something to it, even if exec would have *anything* to pipe Nov 10 20:29:12 devilinside: it's not something i'm particularly proud of Nov 10 20:29:14 it's kinda ugly Nov 10 20:29:22 also, it doesn't do anything with the onboard swap Nov 10 20:29:40 exec without arguments simply sets stdin, stdou and stderr filehandles of the running script to their defaults Nov 10 20:29:43 but maybe it will work on my n900.. Nov 10 20:30:14 its not about pride( btw, u shud take pride in it) but for helpin a fellow troubled person Nov 10 20:30:32 CBA to test that cryptic command, but I'd simply say it's buggy Nov 10 20:30:55 without the | it would makje some sense Nov 10 20:31:09 okay.. whats the first step for swpon? Nov 10 20:31:15 the pipe| though is nonsense in my book Nov 10 20:31:16 devilinside: why do you even need a script Nov 10 20:31:37 devilinside: sudo swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2 && sudo swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 Nov 10 20:31:45 because i tried all my lil knowledge which turned out to be useless... Nov 10 20:31:56 yeahh did the same.. Nov 10 20:32:30 after the first command, the RAM usage goes higher and the n restarts after swapoff.. Nov 10 20:32:43 you're lying Nov 10 20:32:47 devilinside: let more savvy users here help you on a step-by-step test Nov 10 20:32:59 i swear... Nov 10 20:33:02 a cryptic script won't help you out Nov 10 20:33:04 unless you have something really weird installed Nov 10 20:33:18 DocScrutinizer05: i've never once used my swapswap script :s Nov 10 20:33:42 yeah have lot many things installed but what should be the trouble? Nov 10 20:34:16 kerio: please! telling users "you're lying" is an insult Nov 10 20:35:00 devilinside: something that shits itself once the RAM changes Nov 10 20:35:36 okay.. so m going to format it now and then report... Nov 10 20:35:41 don't Nov 10 20:35:43 :c Nov 10 20:35:51 I'm not even sure devilinside's uSD partitioning is in line with that script Nov 10 20:36:03 yeah yeah it is.. Nov 10 20:36:16 ls -l /dev/mmc* Nov 10 20:36:27 shows l1p1, l1p2, l1p3 Nov 10 20:36:47 and you did mkswap on both swap partitons on the uSD? Nov 10 20:36:49 whr p1 is for mmc Nov 10 20:37:02 i did it on both... Nov 10 20:37:16 so swapon works for both? Nov 10 20:37:18 devilinside: have you installed syslog? Nov 10 20:37:23 meh! Nov 10 20:37:32 syslog? maybe no... Nov 10 20:37:39 why syslog? Nov 10 20:37:55 first test elementary functions manually, one by one Nov 10 20:37:56 maybe something complained about the extra ram and logged about it Nov 10 20:37:58 yes.. swapon worked on both but openng any other application or swapoff is just letting it to reboot. Nov 10 20:38:54 then your uSD is defect, i'd suppose Nov 10 20:39:25 IO error on accessing swap Nov 10 20:39:30 -->boot Nov 10 20:39:31 ooh, could be Nov 10 20:40:01 then how to check the correctness of the partitions. Nov 10 20:40:10 badblocks, maybe? Nov 10 20:40:30 devilinside: do you have a real card reader and a computer with linux handy? Nov 10 20:40:41 umount/swapoff both partitons, then do a dd if=$partition of=/dev/null Nov 10 20:40:48 but ubuntu 11.10 and no card reader .. Nov 10 20:41:32 but after a swapon and swapoff it survived this time till i started opera .. Nov 10 20:41:41 and also a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$partition Nov 10 20:41:43 after opening one tab it restarted.. Nov 10 20:42:15 that's irrelevant Nov 10 20:42:31 swap will cause boot when needed thus used Nov 10 20:42:35 not earlier Nov 10 20:43:20 so the moment when device reboots is determined by ram usage which in turn is depending on a lot of factors Nov 10 20:43:30 okay... Nov 10 20:43:48 yeah but a sudden increase on swapon n swapoff... Nov 10 20:44:01 of course it will try to use new swap when you swapoff oldswap Nov 10 20:44:32 unless oldswap been completely unused at that moment Nov 10 20:46:41 the old swap is nearly unused after the reboot caused because of on/off swap... it was about 30MB while RAM=170M Nov 10 20:50:00 useless to muse about it. If your uSD has IO errors, then enabling swap on it will cause kernel panic ar random point in time Nov 10 20:50:58 next step in bughunting: test that uSD in same device, but without any swap involved Nov 10 20:53:10 usual symptom of flaky uSD: a dd if=/dev/zero of=$some-location-on-uSD bs=100k count=10000 will abort at random, some 100k to 100M into the write Nov 10 20:54:01 seen this several times Nov 10 20:57:11 if it doesn't, we're facing a more arcane problem Nov 10 20:59:11 it still is going on.. not terminating.. Nov 10 20:59:21 lets c if it terminates or not... Nov 10 21:00:05 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1p2 bs=100k count 10000 Nov 10 21:00:49 976.6MB copied with &.#MB/s Nov 10 21:00:54 looks good, yes Nov 10 21:00:57 7.3MB/s Nov 10 21:01:06 hmm Nov 10 21:01:11 seems that jolla device will have unlocked root account: https://twitter.com/ettoredn/status/267039167777755137 Nov 10 21:01:20 10000+) records in and out Nov 10 21:01:25 mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p2 Nov 10 21:01:35 done.. Nov 10 21:01:47 gives - setting swap space blah blah.. Nov 10 21:02:05 swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2; swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p2 Nov 10 21:02:45 lemme try this.. Nov 10 21:03:51 error../dev/mmcblkp1p2 : invalid argument now.. Nov 10 21:04:10 *mmcblk1p2 Nov 10 21:04:11 yeah, there's a typo Nov 10 21:04:17 hmm Nov 10 21:04:23 strange Nov 10 21:04:38 mount|grep mmcblk1p2 Nov 10 21:05:04 Pali; maybe it's a useless root harmattan-like? :) Nov 10 21:05:27 gave nothing Nov 10 21:05:31 ShadowJK, maybe... Nov 10 21:05:34 or maybe not Nov 10 21:06:03 but I do not trust nokia/jolla anymore... Nov 10 21:06:26 sfdisk -l Nov 10 21:06:41 sfdisk -l | grep mmcblk1p2 Nov 10 21:08:22 trying trying wait.. Nov 10 21:08:30 iots rebooting again.. Nov 10 21:08:44 tried p3 this time.. again rebooted.. Nov 10 21:09:14 everytime i swapoff 0p3, the swap starts to decrease and ram increase.. Nov 10 21:09:32 :shrug: so what Nov 10 21:10:00 swapoff mmcblk0p3 will switch off your genuine swap Nov 10 21:10:23 y shud used swap decreas? as i have already assigned another swap space.. Nov 10 21:10:26 it's supposed to reboot instantly unless there's another swap available, or enough 'free' ram Nov 10 21:11:07 I'm not going to help any furhter on investigating same old failing procedure over and over Nov 10 21:12:01 I'm about to watch TV, and my time for IRC is interfering with that Nov 10 21:12:55 sorry about your timeloss!! thanx for your help!! Nov 10 21:15:42 what was this supposed to give? Nov 10 21:55:49 http://pastebin.com/ZHTsK9Yc Nov 10 21:55:55 FWIW Nov 10 22:01:31 +i ron0062000_ Nov 10 22:17:40 has anyone mirrored the nokai binary repos? Nov 10 22:22:30 yes Nov 10 22:22:46 but we can not legally publish it Nov 10 22:23:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87808 Nov 10 22:25:15 well, you can in 2202 or so... Nov 10 22:27:06 SpeedEvil, then the world is safe, time to go for a 200 year hibernation Nov 10 22:28:38 is it gone already? Nov 10 22:28:52 #define it Nov 10 22:28:53 RzR: but people can still use them? Nov 10 22:28:55 if not, is there a simple script to download a mirror? Nov 10 22:28:57 kerio, I updated deb packages of rx51-bme-replacement: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ Nov 10 22:29:14 Luke-Jr, harmattan-dev.nokia.com is gone Nov 10 22:29:15 there was problem in dsme plugin (it was bad compiled) Nov 10 22:29:42 and added fixed syslog support to other packages Nov 10 22:30:47 RzR: how about N900 stuff? :P Nov 10 22:30:52 Is there an easy way for people to create mirrors of the closed stuff? Nov 10 22:31:15 People who DNGAF if it is legal or not? Nov 10 22:32:16 you can apt-mirror all maemo or harmattan repositorie Nov 10 22:32:18 see: https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror Nov 10 22:32:32 on that page are *all* repositories Nov 10 22:32:58 free, non-free, nokia binaries and armel for device too Nov 10 22:33:50 Pali: ty Nov 10 22:34:07 MrPingu: o/ Nov 10 22:35:18 ping merlin1991 Nov 10 22:35:39 mirrors of all maemo repositories been created and maintained since long, there's no particular interest from Nokia to stop this it seems Nov 10 22:36:06 Vi_: evening Nov 10 22:36:15 Pali: thanks! :-) Nov 10 22:36:45 real concern is about wiki right now I'd think Nov 10 22:37:11 DocScrutinizer05, do you know where is X-Fade? Nov 10 22:37:20 Pali: pong Nov 10 22:37:23 can he fix wiki? Nov 10 22:38:53 Pali: seems x-fade is the one to fix wiki, and no I don't know where he is but heard he's been not that available during last week Nov 10 22:39:01 merlin1991, is maemo5 or harmattan sdk mirror prepared on server? Nov 10 22:39:12 ivgalvez and woody already contacted him afaik Nov 10 22:39:45 so will he want to fix it? Nov 10 22:39:52 Pali: yep Nov 10 22:39:53 he's supposed to Nov 10 22:40:15 or is he going to turn off maemo? Nov 10 22:40:38 andre__ looked into it but hasn't enough permissions to do the needed fixing, whatever it might be Nov 10 22:41:42 for now there are scripts to do some wiki backup afaik Nov 10 22:42:11 sth to wget all pages from special_pages:all Nov 10 22:42:47 the mediawiki utself is a mysql database that's not exactly simple to backup the raw data from Nov 10 22:42:48 btw, what happened to server stage.maemo.org ? Nov 10 22:43:01 never heard of that Nov 10 22:43:13 there was public svn repository Nov 10 22:43:23 of hildon and other projects... Nov 10 23:02:56 btw, might be useful to also dump the wiki syntax for articles, if possible Nov 10 23:10:04 lolnokia Nov 10 23:10:14 Circling the drain ever more tightly. Nov 10 23:12:21 yeah, its bad if you can't host some fairly niche services anymore Nov 10 23:14:16 GeneralAntilles: context? Nov 10 23:15:30 teotwaki, Maemo sites closing down. Nov 10 23:15:40 harmattan-dev, etc. Nov 10 23:15:45 Woah Nov 10 23:15:50 Need a mirror? Nov 10 23:16:53 Dunno Nov 10 23:17:05 I've got a dual core (very little RAM available) with some 800GB, and a quad core with 400GB and roughly 1GB of RAM available. Nov 10 23:17:06 DocScrutinizer05 is probably the guy to ask Nov 10 23:17:19 Dear And Glorious Leader Nov 10 23:17:20 unlimited bandwidth for both, 100Mbit link Nov 10 23:20:33 greetings Nov 10 23:22:04 hmß Nov 10 23:22:06 ? Nov 10 23:23:15 Mirrors for maemo.org stuff. Nov 10 23:23:24 teotwaki: sounds mad useful Nov 10 23:23:32 indeed teotwaki Nov 10 23:24:12 teotwaki: could you set up according to https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror *all* for a start? Nov 10 23:24:47 I'd hope 800GB is about enough storage for that Nov 10 23:25:51 might even leave some space for a wiki backup, if I ever (find someone who knows where to) find that perl(?) script to wget all shite from wiki.maemo.org Nov 10 23:25:52 :-) Nov 10 23:26:07 DocScrutinizer05: the quad core with 400GB runs a full debian mirror Nov 10 23:26:15 which is 600GB roughly Nov 10 23:26:22 :nod: Nov 10 23:26:30 wiki is annoying to mirror. :'( Nov 10 23:26:37 indeed Nov 10 23:26:45 we'll for sure lose history Nov 10 23:27:20 but then, history isn't THAT important for most wiki pages Nov 10 23:27:54 do I need to patch apt-mirror? Nov 10 23:28:21 it seems there are already 95 others doing a wiki wget * Nov 10 23:28:35 response times are worse than usual even for weekends Nov 10 23:30:09 How in the world would this not be prepped for? Nov 10 23:30:27 and how would Nokia just start shutting off without notification. . . Nov 10 23:30:29 prepped? Nov 10 23:30:52 GeneralAntilles: I'm not suspecting any intentional shutdown Nov 10 23:31:14 just usual bitrot that doesn't see maintenance to fix shit Nov 10 23:31:49 teotwaki: no idea, don't think so according to that apt-mirror wikipage Nov 10 23:33:03 just concatenate all the white boxes on that page and place them into the apt config file? maybe check for redundancies or conflicts regarding the initial env setup in each of the boxes Nov 10 23:33:54 DocScrutinizer05: I can host everything in the same repo? No conflicting repo names? Nov 10 23:34:15 eeew >>Mirroring downloads.maemo.nokia.com is not possible with current apt-mirror version because nokia server needs to receive Basic HTTP Authentication via HTTPS protocol and apt-mirror does not support it.<< Nov 10 23:34:41 teotwaki: honestly, no faintest clue. I never looked into all that before Nov 10 23:34:50 I'm going to try on the quad core Nov 10 23:34:55 it's a dedicated mirror host Nov 10 23:35:11 the dual core is a dev machine (firestarter project) Nov 10 23:35:20 it also happens to run my seedbox... :P Nov 10 23:36:30 though: >>This problem was reported in ubuntu bug #1015131 with patch apt-mirror-https.patch<< Nov 10 23:36:31 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1015131 was not found. Nov 10 23:36:46 shutup povbot Nov 10 23:41:02 seems that wiki 'mirror' script I can't recall details of been based on http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:AllPages Nov 10 23:48:33 static mirroring should be possible with wget without any scripts, I suppose it's impossible to gain access to db itsel? Nov 10 23:49:12 I would also love to offer some hosting but I have only 10Mbit up so kind of pointless. Nov 10 23:49:49 ...plus - probably - http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Export Nov 10 23:50:28 Skry: ever tried to do a braindead wget of more than nesting-level=0 wikipages? Nov 10 23:51:31 I think I tried few years back, resulted in a complete mess but at least the data was somewhat there :D Nov 10 23:51:54 I actually did, on another mediawiki. The size was about 100 times that of the original data, thanks to back-links, special pages, circular links Nov 10 23:52:01 ... Nov 10 23:52:48 so is jolla going to release hardware specs on 21st Nov? Nov 10 23:53:05 or will it be simply unveiling sailfish? Nov 10 23:53:33 good question Nov 10 23:54:19 only OS Nov 10 23:54:39 HW will be after november Nov 10 23:55:58 lets hope they dont use aegis... Nov 10 23:56:10 hmm, too late for me. The Note II looks tempting. Nov 10 23:56:31 similarly n4 Nov 10 23:56:44 Android Nov 10 23:56:47 tbh I'm not excited about jolla anymore. They're perpetuating the Nokia practice of "develop behind closed doors, even down in the souterrain, then eventually throw stuff over the wall" Nov 10 23:56:47 Yuck Nov 10 23:56:50 I'm holding off for at least a few months Nov 10 23:56:54 and yes Nov 10 23:57:01 I agree yuk Nov 10 23:57:25 DocScrutinizer05, let 'em announce a platform before you decide that. :P Nov 10 23:57:27 although nobody replied to my questions, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1289795&postcount=623 Nov 10 23:57:45 Besides, it's certainly going to be better than Android. Nov 10 23:59:54 GeneralAntilles: the only app i really care about is a commercial satnav program. otherwise if Jolla doesnt offer that, will have to give it a miss :( Nov 11 00:00:20 Sygic even with its random crashes has been ok on N900 Nov 11 00:00:50 DocScrutinizer05: lots of 404's Nov 11 00:00:59 dang Nov 11 00:01:09 on the fremantle opera stuff Nov 11 00:01:15 ooh Nov 11 00:01:17 well Nov 11 00:01:19 SpeedEvil: n4 doesnt have microsd? Nov 11 00:01:54 what's n4? Nov 11 00:02:05 * trumee hopes that sip is usable on Jolla unlike in N900 Nov 11 00:02:11 teotwaki: just ignore them? Nov 11 00:02:12 DocScrutinizer05: nexus 4 Nov 11 00:02:18 trumee: thanks Nov 11 00:02:43 trumee: no, no expansion ports on the n4 Nov 11 00:03:05 trumee: I'm using SIP all the time with N900 and even N810, works just fine for me Nov 11 00:03:07 teotwaki: that sucks Nov 11 00:04:10 DocScrutinizer05: very unreliable for me. that is one of the reasons of going to android. They have two excellent programs, sipdroid and csipsimple which even support srtp Nov 11 00:04:50 hmm, don't see how srtp makes stuff more stable Nov 11 00:05:40 btw probably srtp is a deadend design Nov 11 00:05:42 DocScrutinizer05: it is stable because freepbx devs actually use android Nov 11 00:05:59 DocScrutinizer05: and srtp is a additional functionality not present on N900 Nov 11 00:06:13 I know what's SRTP Nov 11 00:06:18 I gzuess Nov 11 00:06:37 and I think it's inferior to ZRTP Nov 11 00:07:04 thats a moot point since maemo doesnt support zrtp Nov 11 00:07:23 and csipsimple seems to support zrtp Nov 11 00:07:38 well, whatever you define as moot point then Nov 11 00:07:52 ~srtp Nov 11 00:07:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388#c39, http://174.132.148.146/ivr.wav Nov 11 00:07:59 ~zrtp Nov 11 00:08:01 04Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Nov 11 00:08:08 since N900 also doesn't support SRTP, how's that not a moot point? Nov 11 00:08:23 what is that srtp? Nov 11 00:08:31 some closed stupid think? Nov 11 00:08:33 thats recording from my freepbx server ivr Nov 11 00:08:42 Pali: encryption for sip calls Nov 11 00:08:57 RealTimeProtocol, Secure Nov 11 00:09:08 s/freepbx/freeswitch Nov 11 00:09:11 and Zimmerman Nov 11 00:11:57 ~wiki zrtp Nov 11 00:12:01 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'ZRTP' is a cryptographic key-agreement protocol to negotiate the keys for encryption between two end points in a Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone telephony call based on the Real-time Transport Protocol. It uses Diffie-Hellman key exchange and the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP) for encryption. ZRTP was developed by Phil Zimmermann, with help from Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn ... Nov 11 00:13:14 * trumee handed over his N900 to Nokia Care for usb repair today Nov 11 00:13:37 omg Nov 11 00:13:40 trumee: that's never coming back ;) Nov 11 00:13:58 N95 sip is excellent and works very will with my server where N900 fails Nov 11 00:14:23 merlin1991: it is out of warranty, so should be ok. Nov 11 00:14:41 hmm, good point Nov 11 00:15:00 let's hope they're not kind Nov 11 00:15:17 :) Nov 11 00:15:53 for goodwill we replaced your N900 by a 3310 Nov 11 00:17:52 DocScrutinizer05: kolab.org? Nov 11 00:17:55 DocScrutinizer05: important or not? Nov 11 00:18:00 dunno Nov 11 00:18:06 DocScrutinizer05: it's making apt-mirror fall over Nov 11 00:18:08 never heard of it Nov 11 00:18:21 http://files.kolab.org/local/maemo/dists/fremantle/unstable/source/Sources.gz Nov 11 00:18:30 well, comment out everything that fails Nov 11 00:19:14 gibberish Nov 11 00:19:35 contains one jq837urw file Nov 11 00:20:16 broken Nov 11 00:23:22 --2012-11-11 01:23:47-- http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/dists/harmattan/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85/Contents-i386.bz2 Nov 11 00:23:22 Reusing existing connection to harmattan-dev.nokia.com:80. Nov 11 00:23:22 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 504 Gateway Time-out Nov 11 00:23:22 2012-11-11 01:24:21 ERROR 504: Gateway Time-out. Nov 11 00:25:04 harmattan-dev in its whole is down atm Nov 11 00:25:05 teotwaki, harmattan is down Nov 11 00:25:21 ah Nov 11 00:26:01 so whole harmattan-dev? Nov 11 00:26:08 merlin1991 & Pali ^ Nov 11 00:30:44 yeah, that's why there's a general sense of "let's mirror whatever still available" now Nov 11 00:34:26 meh Nov 11 00:34:31 some Source files are invalid Nov 11 00:34:38 again, making apt-mirror crapping out Nov 11 00:35:03 now I have to weed through a 100 files trying to find the one that's got shit in it Nov 11 00:41:10 yeah there are some md5sum mismatches in the -extras repo aswell Nov 11 00:41:18 though apt-mirror happily dl those for me Nov 11 00:53:24 got full archive ? Nov 11 00:54:37 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?238318-Harmattan-dev-down# The Community Groups Service has been discontinued. Nov 11 01:01:45 merlin1991: the chinook source files were dead for me Nov 11 01:01:59 merlin1991: downloading 200GB of archives now. Nov 11 01:03:20 11.7MB/s, not bad. Nov 11 01:04:45 DocScrutinizer05: ^ Nov 11 01:11:28 DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ Nov 11 01:13:48 teotwaki, thx Nov 11 01:15:39 RzR: my pleasure Nov 11 01:16:16 some pple have harmattan backups too Nov 11 01:16:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87808 Nov 11 01:16:45 41G /Volumes/WD1TB/Nokia/N9/ Nov 11 01:18:25 11G /home/mirror/maemo-mirror Nov 11 01:25:09 RzR: can you post to that thread, with a link to the above mirror? Nov 11 01:25:31 RzR: I'll have someone post whenever the clone is finished, looking at the speed, should be tomorrow Nov 11 01:25:31 teotwaki: great! many thanks! :-) Nov 11 01:26:26 teotwaki, sure Nov 11 01:27:23 teotwaki, added http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1292664#post1292664 Nov 11 01:29:15 sweet Nov 11 01:29:22 linux mint mirror, and now maemo mirror ;) cool Nov 11 01:30:03 i am wget it Nov 11 01:30:19 is this legal ? Nov 11 01:30:26 who cares Nov 11 01:30:39 like Nokia is actually going to annoy anyone with stuff they're deleting from their servers Nov 11 01:31:00 well the future of our community depends on the possibility of doing legal stuff Nov 11 01:31:16 i am thinking about a fundation etc Nov 11 01:31:24 What future Nov 11 01:31:31 Snafu777, shut up please Nov 11 01:31:36 no offence Nov 11 01:31:46 but i am enough w/ bad news Nov 11 01:31:46 Stephen Elop is a dumbass Nov 11 01:31:50 and dont tell me to shutup Nov 11 01:32:08 chill guys Nov 11 01:32:11 He's the reason there aint no damn future... Nov 11 01:32:17 The dude went with a microsoft platform Nov 11 01:32:33 really ? Nov 11 01:32:37 yeah Nov 11 01:32:39 i am not aware of that Nov 11 01:32:41 Snafu777: he's an ex microsoft exec, what did you expect? Nov 11 01:32:47 Nokias demise can be thanked to the CEO Nov 11 01:32:54 I wouldnt be surprised if someone bought em out Nov 11 01:32:57 and soon Nov 11 01:33:07 check out their stock performance over 5 yrs Nov 11 01:33:22 Nokia politics aside, anyone here play with an N900? Nov 11 01:33:24 if microsoft were that dangerous we would all know about it Nov 11 01:33:45 microsoft and apple, same breed Nov 11 01:33:54 They dont believe in free and open source Nov 11 01:34:06 apple doesn't believe in free software? Nov 11 01:34:16 Is this conversation serious? Nov 11 01:34:26 seems not Nov 11 01:34:46 Oh shit, better not use BSD unices, or cups ;) Nov 11 01:35:10 Anyone here own a N900? Nov 11 01:35:14 Snafu777: I own 3. Nov 11 01:35:30 Snafu777: just one. Nov 11 01:35:41 Snafu777: no way you're on the #maemo channel which is the specific os only used on the n900 and expect people to actually own a n900? Nov 11 01:35:59 not only Nov 11 01:36:04 teotwaki, i plan to upload some srcs to cobs to check if they can build on harmattan Nov 11 01:36:08 770/... Nov 11 01:36:32 merlin1991: your server is slow : Nov 11 01:36:35 :P** Nov 11 01:36:38 teotwaki: dafuq? Nov 11 01:36:48 U can put an OS on any phone merlin Nov 11 01:36:50 am only getting 5MBit from it Nov 11 01:37:00 Just cuz its maemo doesnt mean its restricted to the n900 Nov 11 01:37:09 Snafu777: that's nonsense Nov 11 01:37:10 SpeedEvil: hit me if I'm wrong, but os2008 and friends didn't have codenmae maemo but diablo and different stuff Nov 11 01:37:15 Really? Nov 11 01:37:22 teotwaki: what are you doing to my server? Nov 11 01:37:23 Snafu777: in about 2 minutes, I'm about to kick you out of this channel for being such a troll Nov 11 01:37:25 So that's why I got proxychains working on the N900 and dhcp3-server Nov 11 01:37:30 Go for it, fuck u buddy Nov 11 01:37:31 merlin1991: archiving it Nov 11 01:37:38 why? :D Nov 11 01:37:49 why don't you rape the official repo? :D Nov 11 01:37:58 merlin1991: I am, at 80MBit/s Nov 11 01:38:08 Snafu777: second warning, this time from me Nov 11 01:38:13 lol Nov 11 01:38:55 teotwaki: quite possibly lighttpd isn't configured for high throughput :D Nov 11 01:40:53 26G /home/mirror/maemo-mirror Nov 11 01:41:00 merlin1991: I guess when your server is in that wiki page list for apt-mirror then that's the reason Nov 11 01:41:35 omg Nov 11 01:41:36 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?238318-Harmattan-dev-down&p=906282#post906282 Nov 11 01:41:56 that's only -devel and -thumb in that list, together quite somall :D Nov 11 01:42:47 merlin1991, hi http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87808# Nov 11 01:42:59 merlin1991, could you mirror that too ? Nov 11 01:43:48 the wiki I could mirror, but I have no proper tool Nov 11 01:44:14 well let's create a basic backup and archive file Nov 11 01:45:31 merlin1991: what else should be archived? Nov 11 01:45:41 merlin1991: other than -devel and -thumb? Nov 11 01:45:49 from my server? nothing Nov 11 01:45:53 harmattan dev Nov 11 01:46:08 RzR: if you've got a url I can DL it from, sure Nov 11 01:46:15 Hmm Nov 11 01:46:20 I do have tar.gz from the harmattan-dev developer library Nov 11 01:46:20 welcome back Snafu777 Nov 11 01:46:22 hi Nov 11 01:46:27 (it had a page to dl images) Nov 11 01:46:36 Seems that I have a "difference" of opinion from a couple people here... Nov 11 01:46:43 So my apologies.... Nov 11 01:46:50 some pple said to have backup of h-d Nov 11 01:47:06 RzR: that whole thread on devel.nokia.com sounds just like mere panic mode Nov 11 01:47:10 I still have 1TB of disk space on my two main servers Nov 11 01:47:40 so feel free to PM me repos I should add to my list Nov 11 01:47:51 this will be usefull soon or later Nov 11 01:47:51 RzR: at least there's no statement from nokia in it? just questions and requests Nov 11 01:47:57 no Nov 11 01:48:13 but the attack on oss from ms is kinda possible Nov 11 01:48:26 look what happended w/ novel Nov 11 01:48:34 this is not the day Nov 11 01:48:41 btw teotwaki any reason why you didn't make the dists/ folders avaiable in your mirror? Nov 11 01:49:29 merlin1991: I just used apt-mirror, what you see is what it's spitting out Nov 11 01:49:41 it spits a dists folder out too ;) Nov 11 01:50:22 for each folder you should have pool and dists Nov 11 01:50:57 merlin1991: don't forget it's still syncing Nov 11 01:51:01 only 30GB out of 200 Nov 11 01:51:10 ah yeah true index are exported last Nov 11 01:51:17 *indices* Nov 11 01:52:40 nice, somebody is trying to bruteforce my ssh password again Nov 11 01:52:45 won't they ever stop? Nov 11 01:52:57 merlin1991: move your ssh port to something random Nov 11 01:53:15 something like 32123 Nov 11 01:53:41 weirdly enough it's always the mailserver box from some $cheapo domain Nov 11 01:53:59 seems people never update their postfix/whatever and get ssh scan zombis on regular basis Nov 11 01:56:24 pop3 scanned like mad on my box Nov 11 01:56:26 hm the best thing though is, that they don't even brute force root but rather random user names Nov 11 01:56:49 yeah, always same nonsense Nov 11 01:57:05 hm shouldn't sshd have some sort of delay after a certain count of attempts? Nov 11 01:57:20 my syslogs on some days are 10 times larger than usual Nov 11 01:57:32 duh, nope Nov 11 01:57:44 bbl Nov 11 01:58:17 du -hs /var/log 236M /var/log Nov 11 01:58:25 :/ Nov 11 01:58:36 seriously, moving sshd to a random port has removed every single scan attemt Nov 11 01:58:54 5.2M /var/log Nov 11 01:58:56 my problem is, that I have normal people using the server aswell Nov 11 01:59:02 and? Nov 11 01:59:18 I don't trust 50% of them to be able to enter a custom ssh port :D Nov 11 02:01:34 rZr: belgian? Nov 11 02:02:42 teotwaki: (move 22) yep, doing this since ages Nov 11 02:03:43 merlin1991: if they can't enter the port, they probably shouldn't be allowed to enter anything to the shell commandline either Nov 11 02:04:15 but they might use a gui tool for scp ;) Nov 11 02:04:34 after all it's easy to specify the port, even in PuTTY Nov 11 02:04:42 uh putty is a pain Nov 11 02:04:47 42G /home/mirror/maemo-mirror Nov 11 02:05:50 teotwaki: to put you into perspective: 113G for extras extras-devel cssu and cssu-stable Nov 11 02:06:44 there's a script/daemon I forgot the name of, which denies any access from IP addr that tried some attack Nov 11 02:06:56 kinda auto blacklist Nov 11 02:07:03 5.7 G for the maemo sdk, 7.7 for the harmattan sdk Nov 11 02:07:11 tarpit? Nov 11 02:07:24 and another 19G for the various SSU repos Nov 11 02:07:29 merlin1991: to put it in perspective Nov 11 02:07:33 487G /home/mirror/lmde Nov 11 02:07:50 linux mint debian? Nov 11 02:07:54 aye Nov 11 02:08:16 http://lmde-mirror-fr-1.wedrop.it Nov 11 02:08:38 and 47G for the pre maemo stuff Nov 11 02:09:38 seems we got a nice family meeting here, btw Nov 11 02:10:02 GeneralAntilles, teotwaki aka crashanddie, merlin1991, me... Nov 11 02:10:13 iptables -A INPUT -s mail.m-cubed.com -j DROP take that friggin scanner scum ;) Nov 11 02:11:19 merlin1991: syncing LMDE took nearly 48 hours, because their server was so dead Nov 11 02:11:21 DocScrutinizer05: what kind of dysfunctional family do we form? Nov 11 02:11:27 merlin1991: I think that tarpit(?) script actually did sth like that, just that it picked the source IPs from syslog Nov 11 02:11:57 merlin1991: must be the Bundy's Nov 11 02:11:59 merlin1991: why not honeypot the sshd? Nov 11 02:12:09 there's a nice script (greypit?) that basically doubles the login delay for every failed attempt Nov 11 02:12:22 or force key usage? Nov 11 02:12:23 greypit! Nov 11 02:12:36 that's it Nov 11 02:12:50 anyway Nov 11 02:12:53 I'm going to sign off Nov 11 02:12:56 3AM here Nov 11 02:12:58 hm google finds nothing on greypit Nov 11 02:13:04 teotwaki: here aswell ;) Nov 11 02:13:05 teotwaki: o/ Nov 11 02:13:15 here too ;-) Nov 11 02:13:21 why not use keys for yer sshd merlin1991? Nov 11 02:13:40 Snafu777: you think he doesn't Nov 11 02:13:41 ? Nov 11 02:13:51 Snafu777: that still doesn't stop $stupid scanner to try a bazzillion different user / key combos Nov 11 02:14:00 If u only allow keys...? Nov 11 02:14:09 *sigh* Nov 11 02:14:34 My sshd is set to only allow keys, and therefore they could bruteforce all they want with no attempt to login,,,, Nov 11 02:14:37 Snafu777: keys only is in the protocoll level I'd still get a syn ack ... and the first hello message for each attempt Nov 11 02:15:26 So if yer using keys and keys only, then why do u even care about bruteforce? Nov 11 02:15:39 because Nov 11 02:15:45 it spams our syslog Nov 11 02:15:51 using out bandwidth Nov 11 02:15:59 So fight back then? Nov 11 02:16:07 because traffic, syslog spam, and the rage that $random muppet tries to haxx0r my server Nov 11 02:16:21 So why not fight back? Nov 11 02:16:24 Honeypot it up Nov 11 02:16:56 DocScrutinizer05: fail2ban might be the one we're looking for Nov 11 02:16:58 greypit Nov 11 02:16:59 or denyhosts Nov 11 02:17:06 yes!!!! Nov 11 02:17:18 now I'm sure he said 2fail2ban" Nov 11 02:17:24 "fail2ban" Nov 11 02:17:48 there's greylist also Nov 11 02:17:58 and greyfix (greylisting for postfix) Nov 11 02:18:15 So why not fight back merlin1991? Nov 11 02:18:23 nah, fail2ban been what a sysop suggested to me Nov 11 02:18:24 Snafu777: because fighting back is useless Nov 11 02:18:32 How so? Nov 11 02:18:39 Snafu777: basically, you're fighting ghosts: machines that have already been compromised. Nov 11 02:19:01 it's like this conversation Nov 11 02:19:09 So find the info needed to tell u who the owner of the box is Nov 11 02:19:10 The owner of the machine doesn't know what's happening, he's just a blistering idiot who doesn't know how to securely setup a server, but he's not guilty of anything Nov 11 02:19:11 and inform them Nov 11 02:19:15 short "attack" - lots of effort to answer Nov 11 02:19:23 aye Nov 11 02:19:30 and on Doc's wise words Nov 11 02:19:31 'night Nov 11 02:19:35 result: zarro Nov 11 02:20:02 n8 teotwaki Nov 11 02:20:06 51G /home/mirror/maemo-mirror Nov 11 02:20:10 night Nov 11 02:20:17 night :) Nov 11 02:22:40 I ran a script I called nmaptheidiots for a while Nov 11 02:23:06 it triggered an nmap against each machine doing anything rogue to my home IP Nov 11 02:23:19 funny to watch, but result = 0 Nov 11 02:23:32 just using up more resources Nov 11 02:24:11 make a compromisable shell, then try to log in to the attacker using the uploaded credential Nov 11 02:24:31 one result though: most of those machines been windows boxes and had a lot of open ports Nov 11 02:25:59 no idea if this is necessary but I'm downloading xml export of the wiki with history, does someone want it when it's finished? Nov 11 02:26:22 Skry: doesn't that run per page? Nov 11 02:26:27 or can you dump everything at once? Nov 11 02:26:55 I grabbed all the pages from AllPages and did some grep and sed magic -> xclip -> Export page Nov 11 02:27:08 SpeedEvil: yeah! then start a clone of that on the hax0r'd machine, so any attack against that machine will spread the antivirus. and after some days (configurable) do a rm -rf /*/* Nov 11 02:28:12 Skry: how you're doing that? Nov 11 02:28:35 Skry: and sure, I'd love to get it Nov 11 02:28:59 aaah, you wrote your own script Nov 11 02:29:33 Skry: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1292861#post1292861 Nov 11 02:29:35 Skry: when it's finished it would be great if you could tar that up and put it somewhere Nov 11 02:30:27 amazing what can be done on one afternoon :-D Nov 11 02:31:24 rZr: one question though: why-o-why has this thread to be a *poll*? Nov 11 02:32:09 I did wget --convert-links for pages in AllPages, then, cat ./* | grep -o '' | sed -e 's/ lemme documet that Nov 11 02:34:12 might have something not needed magic too, grabbed part of it from my snippets file, anyways, it gets the page names correctly Nov 11 02:34:51 Skry: I noticed there are no categories in allpages Nov 11 02:35:05 e.g. hardware:* Nov 11 02:36:19 well, depending on your selection Nov 11 02:36:47 I found none that's really giving *all* pages Nov 11 02:38:12 seems namespace:(main)|talk|user|category is minimum we'd need Nov 11 02:38:36 + |category-talk Nov 11 02:41:32 well, that has everything listed by allpages, going at 256MB so far, so I guess it has at least something to read :) Nov 11 02:43:30 hmm Nov 11 02:43:53 category has ~ 10 times as many pages as (main) Nov 11 02:44:13 it seems Nov 11 02:44:49 wait, what do you mean by "everything listed by allpages" ? Nov 11 02:45:12 everything listed by any namespace of allpages? Nov 11 02:46:18 or everything listed by default namespace:(main) only? Nov 11 02:47:41 those 6 links at http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:AllPages , everything listed by them Nov 11 02:48:18 meh Nov 11 02:48:31 that's about a few percent of what we need Nov 11 02:49:20 well, is there any page(s) which would have links to rest of the stuff? Nov 11 02:49:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=6 Nov 11 02:49:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=2 Nov 11 02:50:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=1 Nov 11 02:50:39 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=100Days&to=Wiki+gardeners&namespace=14 Nov 11 02:50:57 ok, I'm assuming I'm now downloading the (main) now, am I right? Nov 11 02:51:03 yep Nov 11 02:52:15 DocScrutinizer05: if I throw you text file with all the names, could you download the export? I'm on slow 3G currently and that would take forever apparently Nov 11 02:52:29 could do that Nov 11 02:52:50 ok, just a second Nov 11 02:54:04 just need to find a way to do that on my server box, since I'm not eager to use my even slower-than-3G DSL line here for that Nov 11 02:54:23 merlin1991: could you help? Nov 11 02:54:58 Skry: throw me the txt file and a lil hint for the right wget parameter :D Nov 11 02:55:54 merlin1991: >>... and pasted the result in export page Nov 11 02:56:15 DocScrutinizer05: >> not going todo that on a headless server ;) Nov 11 02:56:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Export Nov 11 02:56:30 that's exactly my problem Nov 11 02:56:48 do we want the history? Nov 11 02:56:57 if feasible Nov 11 02:57:12 though that will make the wvolume explode Nov 11 02:57:33 probably by factor 50 Nov 11 02:58:23 hm it's a simple post with curonly=1 and then all pages as a list Nov 11 02:58:35 though it should compress nicely then ;-P Nov 11 02:58:59 hey, I'm actually a tad tired meanwhile Nov 11 02:59:12 and wpDownload = 1 aswell Nov 11 02:59:13 could've known how to tackle it Nov 11 02:59:21 gimme a sec Nov 11 02:59:27 curl afaik has a nice post parameter **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 11 02:59:57 2012