**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 12 02:59:58 2012 Nov 12 07:33:11 freemangordon: ping Nov 12 08:58:51 give me your best shot Nov 12 09:00:57 ~ugt Nov 12 09:00:57 extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Nov 12 09:06:33 teotwaki: what did that guy do? Nov 12 09:07:02 he asked on ##php if he could be banned. I obliged. Nov 12 09:07:09 Albeit not in the same channel. Nov 12 11:24:06 teotwaki: what do you want me to do and pls drop links! Nov 12 11:24:24 NEVER! Nov 12 11:24:32 Links is the best web browser in the history of human kind! Nov 12 11:24:45 ~shoot teotwaki Nov 12 11:24:46 * infobot shoots teotwaki in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! Nov 12 11:25:03 ~towel teotwaki Nov 12 11:25:03 * infobot slaps teotwaki with a slimy wet towel. Nov 12 11:25:37 maaaaaan, the range on bluetooth is really awful Nov 12 11:26:50 kerio: yes, yes it is. Nov 12 11:27:00 Unless you are using the high power version Nov 12 11:27:06 It is either class 1 or 3. Nov 12 11:27:09 I forget. Nov 12 11:27:09 how do i use that Nov 12 11:27:23 Get a better bluetooth adapter. Nov 12 11:27:45 i meant on the n900 side Nov 12 11:27:55 kerio: N900 is stuck the way it is. Nov 12 11:28:00 However... Nov 12 11:28:35 Maybe a person could use a wifi patch antenna on the inside of the battery cover and connect to one of those u.fl test points on the PCB. Nov 12 11:29:09 vi_: also, i want wifi/bt coexistance Nov 12 11:32:50 I wonder if that would work to make the wifi better? Nov 12 11:33:29 vi_, Hirose U.FL to SMA to ridiculously high gain antenna, here we come! Nov 12 11:36:21 Hurrian: Unfortunatley if they are test points you would have to disconnect the stock antenna. Nov 12 11:36:33 Or you would not get mad gainz. Nov 12 11:37:18 vi_, Not a problem. We /could/ start actually using U.FL connected internal antennas in place of the stock ones. Nov 12 11:38:53 is it placebo, ir does cssu-thumb really make things go more responsive? I think Ive done good installing it Nov 12 11:40:16 amospalla: a lot of things are compiled with a recent gcc and with a smaller instruction set Nov 12 11:40:19 amospalla, at the very least it reduces memory footprint. Nov 12 11:40:22 more efficient code that uses up less memory Nov 12 11:40:26 I like it a lot Nov 12 11:40:38 hehe Nov 12 11:40:39 that is what I understood from the freemangordon explanation Nov 12 11:40:43 Hurrian: no, we've also got benchmarks for some things Nov 12 11:40:49 good work, its great Nov 12 11:40:50 like openssl Nov 12 11:41:21 it should speedup all that is not FP Nov 12 11:41:33 ~fp Nov 12 11:41:34 hmm... fp is short for Festival Problems... They're so common, they get their own acronym.... kill fp once and for all http://nerdvittles.com/index.php?p=134 Nov 12 11:41:42 WTF? Nov 12 11:41:49 Floating Point Nov 12 11:41:50 lol? Nov 12 11:42:31 ~forget fp Nov 12 11:42:31 i forgot fp, Hurrian Nov 12 11:42:59 ~fp is Floating Point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point) Nov 12 11:42:59 Hurrian: okay Nov 12 11:43:03 ~fp Nov 12 11:43:03 well, fp is Floating Point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point) Nov 12 11:43:07 ~fpu Nov 12 11:43:07 extra, extra, read all about it, fpu is floating point unit, or the iPAQ doesn't have one, or the zaurus doesn't have one either Nov 12 11:43:11 good Nov 12 11:43:15 smart one Nov 12 11:44:38 freemangordon: does the iPad have one? :) Nov 12 11:44:45 NFC Nov 12 11:44:59 I am not much in iShit Nov 12 11:45:15 not that it actually need it for angry birds Nov 12 11:45:24 fixed point ftw Nov 12 11:45:52 fixed point square root is blazing fast Nov 12 11:46:05 SIMD ftw. If done correctly Nov 12 11:46:40 I forgot how to sqrt by hand Nov 12 11:46:54 I still hope linaro gcc devs will make auto-vectorizer useful on ARM Nov 12 11:47:15 jon_y, it should damn better have one ;) Nov 12 11:47:16 jon_y: keep trying numbers Nov 12 11:47:35 kerio: ? Nov 12 11:47:50 throw everything on a wall to see if it sticks? :) Nov 12 11:47:58 IIRC the iPhone 2G /doesn't/ have a hardware FPU in addition to being ARMv6, which is why performance went straight down the crapper after iOS3. Nov 12 11:48:01 yeah, but keep trying higher and lower on the wall Nov 12 11:48:15 Hurrian: nah, they save on a few grams in weight without one Nov 12 11:48:44 kerio: I a C implementation once Nov 12 11:48:48 *I did a Nov 12 11:49:01 jon_y: of what? Nov 12 11:49:06 the fast inverse square root? Nov 12 11:49:46 no, square root with just ints Nov 12 11:49:53 or long longs Nov 12 11:50:16 damned lecturer wants image processing done on a PIC32 Nov 12 11:50:25 float was painfully slow Nov 12 11:50:33 float on PIC? Nov 12 11:50:47 Microchip? Nov 12 11:50:58 freemangordon: think of it as software emulated floating point routines Nov 12 11:50:58 pic32 is MIPS Nov 12 11:51:04 yes that PIC32 microchip Nov 12 11:51:20 with a whoping 32K of RAM Nov 12 11:51:22 fixed point is generally fine Nov 12 11:51:28 if you take care, Nov 12 11:52:01 I could have done my thesis on fixed point math instead of that silly image processing project on a PIC32 Nov 12 11:52:07 hmm, never knew PICs have FPU, though I never played with big ones. The one I programmed a couple of times was with, umm... 256 bytes of shared RAM iirc Nov 12 11:52:14 they don't Nov 12 11:52:30 it's all integers emulating the fp math Nov 12 11:52:37 pic32 is an entirely different family. Nov 12 11:52:38 aah, C compiler Nov 12 11:52:41 lame :P Nov 12 11:52:48 ASM ftw :) Nov 12 11:52:55 yeah, done by the C compiler in the background Nov 12 11:53:37 SpeedEvil: with FPU? Nov 12 11:53:50 PIC32 has no fpu Nov 12 11:54:10 think microcontrollers on embedded control boards Nov 12 11:54:35 with all the proprietary connectors and expansion boards Nov 12 11:55:00 then what is the difference compared to 876 for example. Besides word size Nov 12 11:55:21 ~876 Nov 12 11:55:31 no idea what 876 is Nov 12 11:56:08 iirc PIC32 ran at 72MHz for earlier models and 80MHz for later ones Nov 12 11:56:13 my 4th n900 has just arrived. Nov 12 11:56:38 It has no back and the screen is a bit cruddy. Nov 12 11:56:42 But the slider! Nov 12 11:56:48 The slider is like new! Nov 12 11:56:49 :-) Nov 12 11:57:12 It is as smooth as bulgarian butter with that reasurring clunk when you open it. Nov 12 11:57:22 Classy like a early 90's mercedes car door. Nov 12 11:57:27 freemangordon: pic32 is a 'normal' 32 bit processor, with vastly more resources and capability Nov 12 11:57:54 for various values of "vastly" :) Nov 12 11:58:28 they had a custom gcc build, I could not find the sources anywhere Nov 12 11:58:32 jon_y: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/devicedoc/30292c.pdf Nov 12 11:58:58 SpeedEvil: ok, got it Nov 12 11:59:05 I have paid almost double for n900s half as good. Nov 12 11:59:18 sometimes it is nice to finally win :) Nov 12 11:59:58 jon_y: 32 bit with actual registers, compared to an accumulator design, multiply and divide in hw, ... I'd say vastly Nov 12 12:00:25 It is still a 2101 though. Nov 12 12:00:32 yeah, real PICs have only one reg Nov 12 12:00:36 SpeedEvil: what is the best version of n900? Nov 12 12:00:46 2204? Nov 12 12:00:54 SpeedEvil: compared to an alternative ARM processor for the same price, it's not much Nov 12 12:00:58 freemangordon: why? :( Nov 12 12:01:01 vi_: the one I added 512m of ram to. Nov 12 12:01:12 freemangordon: PIC16 was actually cool Nov 12 12:01:20 SpeedEvil: WHAT??? Nov 12 12:01:20 vi_: unfortunately, that remains conceptual. Nov 12 12:01:21 in the sense you can solder it yourself Nov 12 12:01:35 You fiend! Nov 12 12:01:40 why say such things?? Nov 12 12:01:42 you can solder BGAs at home Nov 12 12:01:49 I don't have the skillz for BGA Nov 12 12:01:57 need l33t skillz Nov 12 12:02:03 not really Nov 12 12:02:12 It is a shame there is no chips to solder in place :( Nov 12 12:02:32 kerio: I have the ffeling it has better HW, RAM is one bank only and NAND is of different type compared to 2101 Nov 12 12:02:33 It is not like there is a ram chip that is a drop in part. Nov 12 12:02:41 need a premade PCB, a pizza oven, and instrumentation Nov 12 12:02:50 vi_: there is/was Nov 12 12:02:58 freemangordon: :( Nov 12 12:02:58 SpeedEvil: WHAAAAAA? Nov 12 12:03:09 vi_: however, I could never find sources. Nov 12 12:03:24 lame Nov 12 12:03:28 what was the swap in part? Nov 12 12:03:48 How much ram was it? Nov 12 12:04:15 it was a onenand chip, with 512m of ram and ROM, in the right package Nov 12 12:04:43 512 Nov 12 12:04:45 You could find no source anywhere ever? Nov 12 12:04:59 there was a 1g part, but only ram Nov 12 12:05:04 no. Nov 12 12:05:13 Not even bulk? Nov 12 12:05:15 SpeedEvil: disregard ROM, acquire RAM Nov 12 12:05:17 and bitches Nov 12 12:05:17 it's a manufacturer direct one Nov 12 12:05:30 kerio: Fourth rule of acquisition. Nov 12 12:05:31 actually don't do that Nov 12 12:05:46 sure, if I was able to buy >>1k, they'd probably sell me them Nov 12 12:05:58 SpeedEvil: Request samples...for your company. Nov 12 12:06:01 hehehe Nov 12 12:06:20 samples in many cases don't work Nov 12 12:06:38 I remember in when the eeepc 701 first came out. Nov 12 12:06:50 especially for devices where there would be little legitimate businesses need. Nov 12 12:07:02 Everybody just about creamed their nuts over some guy who re-balled the processor with a more powerfull one. Nov 12 12:07:05 they sent cardboard cutouts? :) Nov 12 12:08:19 jon_y: those would only have 256MB less RAM than the n900 :D Nov 12 12:09:37 kerio: I wouldn't be surprised, but it is magnitudes faster than the PIC32 Nov 12 12:09:51 and flexible when I put Linux and opencv on it Nov 12 12:11:10 SpeedEvil, reball masks for the chips on the N900 exist? Nov 12 12:11:36 Hurrian: in principle, you can reball by hand Nov 12 12:11:49 yowch, not with my gorilla shaky hands. Nov 12 12:12:05 but compatible CPUs - even the 720m speed grade are available Nov 12 12:12:07 I wouldn't get past shaking the tube of balls to fill each pit. Nov 12 12:12:13 and probably the better way Nov 12 12:12:15 with shear will power alone? Nov 12 12:12:46 *sheer Nov 12 12:12:52 ah right Nov 12 12:12:54 i suggest not putting shears near your n900 Nov 12 12:13:21 what's the difference between 2204 and 2101 anyway? Nov 12 12:13:32 dunno Nov 12 12:13:33 different nand i think Nov 12 12:13:36 i've got a 2104 Nov 12 12:13:41 not sure about the other n900 Nov 12 12:13:54 2104 and not 2204? Nov 12 12:13:57 NAND is deffinitely different Nov 12 12:14:28 and most probably RAM too, toldya, 2101 reports 2 memory banks, 2204 only one Nov 12 12:14:44 hmm, I am talking BS Nov 12 12:14:48 is that good or bad? Nov 12 12:15:01 freemangordon, but doesn't the memory controller for the 3430 only have one channel? Nov 12 12:15:04 of course if NAND is different, RAM will differ too Nov 12 12:15:31 or was it two internal 128M layers on the OneNAND vs single 256M on 2204? Nov 12 12:15:35 Hurrian: NFC, but it does not matter Nov 12 12:15:41 yep Nov 12 12:15:42 forgot how the conversation with Pali went. Nov 12 12:16:01 at least that is what NOLO reports Nov 12 12:17:07 one thing that I saw, is that my 2204 records 720p on steady 25 FPS Nov 12 12:17:12 otherwise, IIRC there are no significant differences between hardware revisions other than the case, which is dubious Nov 12 12:17:18 2101 goes up to 23-24 Nov 12 12:17:46 ^^^ might be related to memory Nov 12 12:17:47 freemangordon, I think you can chalk that up to individual flaws in SoC manufacture though Nov 12 12:17:49 2204 is slightly faster? Nov 12 12:17:57 ah nvm Nov 12 12:18:12 how do you record 720p anyway? Nov 12 12:18:28 jon_y: using camera :P Nov 12 12:18:29 jon_y, the massive "720p recording and playback" thread on TMO? Nov 12 12:18:32 *the camera Nov 12 12:18:39 I missed that :| Nov 12 12:18:40 guess who :P Nov 12 12:18:56 ~720 Nov 12 12:18:59 ~720p Nov 12 12:19:19 jon_y: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 Nov 12 12:19:39 wtf> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 Nov 12 12:21:19 so it can record smoothly but not playback smoothly without DSP overclock? Nov 12 12:22:01 720p record needs OC for sure Nov 12 12:22:09 for playback it depends on profile Nov 12 12:22:17 jon_y: You missed the whole 720p thing?? Nov 12 12:22:46 yeah Nov 12 12:22:53 I wasn't looking Nov 12 12:22:55 oh dear. Nov 12 12:23:11 jon_y: Smart reflex? Nov 12 12:23:22 jon_y: BME replacement? Nov 12 12:23:24 freemangordon: on LGPL, they only need to show the source the part that is LGPL Nov 12 12:23:33 vi_: I know smart reflex Nov 12 12:23:39 jon_y: so? Nov 12 12:23:39 but not the BME replacement Nov 12 12:24:02 hmm, seems I am missing something Nov 12 12:24:11 elaborate please Nov 12 12:24:12 freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1187266&postcount=949 Nov 12 12:24:24 the application itself can remain closed Nov 12 12:24:42 the LGPL lib that it uses must remain LGPL, with source distributed Nov 12 12:24:51 jon_y: sure, but that is part of monolitic application binary Nov 12 12:25:00 it does not use any library Nov 12 12:25:01 ohboy Nov 12 12:25:19 got it? Nov 12 12:25:22 that is a LGPL violation since it does not allow user replacable parts Nov 12 12:25:46 which is the whole point of LGPL Nov 12 12:25:54 it is messy when you do static linking Nov 12 12:26:29 this is LGPL violation, as source code licensed under LGPL is reused in that program, which makes the whole program LGPL-ed AIUI Nov 12 12:26:44 unless theres static link exception or relinkable .o:s Nov 12 12:26:46 there are no modules/libs Nov 12 12:27:10 there would be no problem if they used the .so and provided the .so sources though Nov 12 12:27:32 jaska: still, you should provide source code of LGPLed parts Nov 12 12:27:39 freemangordon: what the fuck? Nov 12 12:27:46 which one? Nov 12 12:27:54 freemangordon: LGPL explicitely enables linking from proprietary apps Nov 12 12:28:15 freeman: that too.. the relinkable .o:s mean the non-free parts so you could relink with a new lgpl .a :) Nov 12 12:28:21 teotwaki: it doesn't absolve you from requiring to provide th LGPL sources Nov 12 12:28:28 and MAKE IT USER REPLACABLE Nov 12 12:28:35 exactly Nov 12 12:28:43 jon_y: actually, if you don't ship it, you don't have to ship the sources Nov 12 12:28:54 that is also right Nov 12 12:28:58 teotwaki: that one is in ovi store Nov 12 12:29:08 but ABC here is shipped by OVI store Nov 12 12:29:38 so? Nov 12 12:29:50 is it statically linked? Nov 12 12:30:05 it is monolitic binary Nov 12 12:30:05 yes, as freemangordon said Nov 12 12:30:15 oh, and by the way, "providing sources" can == "Sources used from http://whatever.com/sources.tgz" Nov 12 12:30:23 no Nov 12 12:30:25 Yes. Nov 12 12:30:32 sore, but this is missing too Nov 12 12:30:40 it must be from the same distributor Nov 12 12:30:46 jon_y: yes, if you didn't change them Nov 12 12:30:48 No, it mustn't. Nov 12 12:30:48 not from a 3rd party site Nov 12 12:31:02 I asked a lawyer from redhat Nov 12 12:31:17 and I discussed this with Stallman himself. Nov 12 12:31:28 well, not exactly this bit, but fairly sure it came up at some point. Nov 12 12:31:40 jon_y: I hold my code on gitorious, gitorious is 3rd party ;) Nov 12 12:32:18 freemangordon: well, the point is that you don't point it to a random 3rd party that wasn't involved with the user Nov 12 12:32:20 jon_y: say you get a GPL binary, you ask for the source, he sends a DVD with the source, is it the same distributor? Nov 12 12:32:45 teotwaki: yes, he provided it right? Nov 12 12:32:55 should print the source with a mt-81 9-pin matrix printer <.< Nov 12 12:33:07 no, it must be machine readable Nov 12 12:33:11 I'm fairly sure that when Ubuntu sent out DVDs with the installation disks on it, which contained source code, it wasn't handled by Canonical itself, it was mandated by, but handled by another company. Nov 12 12:33:24 what is and what isnt machine readable these days Nov 12 12:33:36 teotwaki: the problem is that the 3rd party website has no obligation to provide it Nov 12 12:33:48 you'd be violating LGPL if they ever pulled the source Nov 12 12:33:54 jon_y: but as long as the third party website does provide it, there is no inherent requirement for the app developer to produce it. Nov 12 12:34:02 jon_y, teotwaki: anyway AIUI ABC is in clear LGPL violation Nov 12 12:34:25 yes, wherever they put the source, it is still not user replacable Nov 12 12:35:10 jon_y: I've spent the last 2 years researching and filing LGPL documentation for a project that I created as LGPL and is to be used by the company, secondary LGPL don't have to be "hosted" by the developer, they just have to be accessible. Nov 12 12:35:11 there is no source code at all, afaik Nov 12 12:36:28 teotwaki: don't know, it was a redhat lawyer that told me so Nov 12 12:36:28 teotwaki: if you get a LGPLed library source, change it to fit your needs and link it in your app, does LGPL still cover that part of the source code? Nov 12 12:36:57 yes Nov 12 12:37:13 so you MUST provide the source Nov 12 12:37:17 no Nov 12 12:37:22 what? Nov 12 12:37:27 why? Nov 12 12:37:31 Only the *path* which applies to a specific source has to be available Nov 12 12:37:35 patch** Nov 12 12:37:49 And any tooling used to apply said patch. Nov 12 12:37:55 well, ok, the patch and instructions Nov 12 12:38:00 yes Nov 12 12:38:05 and link to the original source code Nov 12 12:38:06 or just provide everything Nov 12 12:38:07 ok Nov 12 12:38:18 ABC does nothing of the above Nov 12 12:38:48 basically, the rule of thumb is: If you use it as is, just set the lib as a requirement in whatever .deb/.rpm you use, and leave the dynamic linking as a requirement of the OS. Nov 12 12:39:13 teotwaki, but they packaged the library in and that was that. Nov 12 12:39:13 If you need to modify it, add it to your (public) repo, or a (public) repo owned by you, and publish the changes. Nov 12 12:40:15 It is not the whole library, just 2 source code files, but thats irrelevant Nov 12 12:40:15 then contact ABC's maintainer/dev Nov 12 12:40:53 ivgalvez promised to do that Nov 12 12:41:59 Contact the EFF. Nov 12 12:42:24 hehe Nov 12 12:45:26 IIRC the devs of BlessN900/ABC have long since packed their bags and ran to Cuba. Nov 12 12:45:42 almalence Nov 12 12:46:10 They tried hard, but it is hard to develope for a moving target. Nov 12 12:46:11 Ah, right. Do they still update their Android app? Nov 12 12:46:19 ~seen X-Fade Nov 12 12:46:24 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. Nov 12 12:49:07 what is immvbsd? Nov 12 12:50:00 BlessN900? Nov 12 12:52:23 Pali, ready to push your new kp52 to extras-devel? Nov 12 12:52:29 no Nov 12 12:52:47 nobody cannot push something to extras Nov 12 12:52:55 autobuilder is down Nov 12 12:53:13 so extras-devel not working... Nov 12 12:53:19 ah, I thought kp52 was moving from your website to devel. Nov 12 12:53:54 when extras-devel will be working again... Nov 12 12:54:15 ping X-Fade Nov 12 12:55:16 vi_, apparently Almalence made a HDR program for Harmattan. Nov 12 12:55:32 Hurrian: orly... Nov 12 12:55:47 http://mobilehdr.almalence.com/ Nov 12 12:57:06 freemangordon: are there any speedups if I don't overclock the dsp? Nov 12 12:58:01 jon_y: You only need to OC the DSP if you want to use 720p recording/playing. Nov 12 12:58:16 ok, otherwise no changes? Nov 12 12:58:25 none Nov 12 12:58:37 ok Nov 12 12:58:39 jon_y: You are advised to use the 'dsp' kernel profile. Nov 12 12:58:50 what exactly does that profile do? Nov 12 12:59:26 Sets the appropriate dsp clock speed for a given CPU speed. Nov 12 13:00:12 the clock is on demand right? Nov 12 13:00:17 yes Nov 12 13:00:25 conservative is shit and pointless. Nov 12 13:00:38 ok Nov 12 13:01:15 hey, watch your language, you bloody democrat! Nov 12 13:02:34 hah. Nov 12 13:02:43 fucking liberals. Nov 12 13:03:30 ugh, where is the DSP profile for kernel-config? Nov 12 13:03:54 jon_y: what kernel are you running? Nov 12 13:04:10 kp51 Nov 12 13:04:16 ok Nov 12 13:04:33 kernel-config load dsp Nov 12 13:04:35 first of all read the first post in the 720p thread. Nov 12 13:05:04 then make sure you have the latest version kernel-power-settings (just apt-get install) Nov 12 13:05:20 if you do, kernel-config load dsp. Nov 12 13:05:35 ok Nov 12 13:05:37 freemangordon: Is the special libgstdsp distributed with KP? Nov 12 13:05:43 no Nov 12 13:05:50 it is on 720p thread Nov 12 13:05:53 copyright reasons? Nov 12 13:06:11 what has user lib todo in the kernel package? Nov 12 13:06:35 jon_y: Read the first post very carefully. At the bottom you will find a a file you need to unzip and copy. Nov 12 13:06:37 packaging reasons :D Nov 12 13:06:50 freemangordon: You are right, that would be dumb. Nov 12 13:07:01 Is there is a reason it is not packaged? Nov 12 13:07:04 jon_y: in short - follow all of the instructions there Nov 12 13:07:18 vi_: yeah, lack of time and overprojected Nov 12 13:07:26 freemangordon: I have, I'm now looking for the DSP profile Nov 12 13:07:35 Good enough reason for me. Nov 12 13:07:46 jon_y: apt-get install kernel-power-settings Nov 12 13:07:50 jon_y: kernel-config load dsp Nov 12 13:07:58 that one too Nov 12 13:07:59 ah ok Nov 12 13:08:09 if that does not work, install latest kps. Nov 12 13:08:35 it says the latest already, I was just wondering where the settings are Nov 12 13:09:34 do I need any changes for the builtin camera app? Nov 12 13:10:19 jon_y: You need to be running the camera app from cssu Nov 12 13:10:29 not sure if testing or stable though. Nov 12 13:10:32 I'm using cssu-thumb Nov 12 13:10:38 so it should be fine? Nov 12 13:10:45 You do not need to use thumb for 720p Nov 12 13:11:11 jon_y: yes, camera-ui is fine Nov 12 13:11:16 in -thumb Nov 12 13:11:24 ok, thanks, now rebooting Nov 12 13:12:00 jon_y: did yoiu install hrmattan codecs? Nov 12 13:12:03 *you Nov 12 13:12:21 what is the dpkg package name? Nov 12 13:12:46 HOWTO is in instructions Nov 12 13:13:04 it just says dpkg -i omap3-dsp-baseimage-ti_0.i3.6-15+0m6_armel.deb omap3-dsp-libraries-ti_0.i3.6-15+0m6_armel.deb omap3-dsp-hd-codecs_0.3.8-7+0m6_armel.deb Nov 12 13:13:10 libgstdsp Nov 12 13:13:15 and uninstall openmax Nov 12 13:13:21 yes, you should install those 3 .debs Nov 12 13:13:29 yep Nov 12 13:13:55 I mean I don't see anything on hrmattan Nov 12 13:13:59 *harmattan Nov 12 13:14:05 ok, nevermind Nov 12 13:14:28 can I underclock my main cpu? Nov 12 13:14:39 not that it might help power wise :) Nov 12 13:14:52 you cannot UC less than 500 Nov 12 13:14:59 DSP won;t work otherwise Nov 12 13:15:08 set to 500? Nov 12 13:15:31 I have some issues with smart reflex, graphical artifacts appear after some time Nov 12 13:15:33 "maximum" underclock Nov 12 13:15:53 jon_y: what profile? Nov 12 13:15:58 dsp Nov 12 13:16:14 it set the cpu to 805 with smart reflex Nov 12 13:16:31 while playing video or holdon-desktop has artifacts? Nov 12 13:16:32 by the way Nov 12 13:16:32 http://heeeeeeeey.com/ Nov 12 13:16:40 deskop artifacts Nov 12 13:16:48 hmm, strange Nov 12 13:17:04 did you reboot? Nov 12 13:17:11 not yet Nov 12 13:17:11 or power down Nov 12 13:17:23 doing it now Nov 12 13:17:33 do power-down Nov 12 13:18:05 waited a few seconds before powering up again Nov 12 13:18:36 looks like its up Nov 12 13:18:49 I'll ring again if I see any graphical glitching Nov 12 13:19:18 ok Nov 12 13:21:33 I can't tell if my camera is doing 720p :) Nov 12 13:21:45 did you tell it to do so? Nov 12 13:21:56 how do you set it? Nov 12 13:22:07 in the usual way Nov 12 13:22:15 use settings Nov 12 13:22:21 camera settings Nov 12 13:22:30 I see up to 3.5M resolution Nov 12 13:23:07 then you didn't follow the instructions Nov 12 13:23:13 whaat? Nov 12 13:23:21 ? Nov 12 13:23:23 you're taking picture Nov 12 13:23:32 change mode to video recording Nov 12 13:24:03 its been awhile since I did that :) Nov 12 13:24:23 * jon_y looks up google on recording with n900 Nov 12 13:25:40 freemangordon: I see HD 16:9 Nov 12 13:25:48 yeah Nov 12 13:26:57 where does video get saved to? Nov 12 13:27:27 ~/DCIM probably Nov 12 13:27:34 ok Nov 12 13:28:29 cool found it Nov 12 13:28:29 hm, does nicocam know about HD video recording then? Nov 12 13:28:39 i mean, does it have to cooperate? Nov 12 13:28:48 quality looks OK for a camera phone Nov 12 13:28:52 kerio: you can bet on that Nov 12 13:29:02 makes sense Nov 12 13:30:14 wait, cpu was set back to 500MHz Nov 12 13:30:48 should I uninstall qcpufreq? Nov 12 13:31:00 what's qcpufreq? :o Nov 12 13:31:14 gui way to set cpu speed governor Nov 12 13:31:23 it probably doesn't know about dsp speed Nov 12 13:32:07 720p worked somehow at 500MHz Nov 12 13:34:20 freemangordon: huh... why are the omap3-dsp-* debs empty? Nov 12 13:34:35 by design Nov 12 13:34:36 kerio: use kernel-config default dsp? Nov 12 13:34:47 freemangordon: why do we *need* those then? Nov 12 13:34:59 for 720p playback Nov 12 13:35:03 and recording Nov 12 13:35:06 they're empty! Nov 12 13:35:16 check pre/post inst scripts Nov 12 13:35:20 *inst Nov 12 13:35:30 ...oh you sneaky bastard Nov 12 13:35:38 i hadn't thought of that! Nov 12 13:36:56 freemangordon: any idea why the n900 doesn't start properly if rebooted too fast? Nov 12 13:37:11 freemangordon: hehe, i get it now Nov 12 13:37:16 need to power off a few seconds first before the next start can run properly Nov 12 13:37:20 jon_y: never heard of that Nov 12 13:37:27 freemangordon: i'm getting an auth error if i open the actual links with firefox though Nov 12 13:37:36 kerio: :nod: Nov 12 13:37:48 maybe it's the uboot Nov 12 13:38:03 jon_y: no, this is how it works Nov 12 13:38:14 freemangordon: wtf it doesn't work with wget either Nov 12 13:38:16 it is maemo shutting down Nov 12 13:38:18 why should it work from the n900 Nov 12 13:38:27 kerio: yes, you need to do it from n900 Nov 12 13:38:32 why? Nov 12 13:38:41 it checks for a specific wget version? Nov 12 13:38:44 <_ade_> freemangordon: I saw you make remarks about snooze count and sound duration in the worldclock? Nov 12 13:38:46 "/etc/apt/authsomething" Nov 12 13:38:53 _ade_: yes Nov 12 13:39:18 hm, it worked Nov 12 13:39:29 _ade_: lets move to #maemo-ssu Nov 12 13:39:34 this makes no sense Nov 12 13:39:41 it's still fucking wget, it's unrelated to apt Nov 12 13:39:51 <_ade_> freemangordon: okay, I will login there Nov 12 13:39:57 freemangordon: I mean if I started too quickly, I get a black boot up where there is supposed to be a handshke video Nov 12 13:40:11 also, yellow LED slowly fading in the corner Nov 12 13:40:14 jon_y: NFC Nov 12 13:40:27 ok, must be my funky 2204 build Nov 12 13:42:29 freemangordon: some files are also in omap3430-dsp-baseimage-ti and omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti Nov 12 13:42:32 like, two files Nov 12 13:45:46 guys, is it normal that video recording stalls while recording, and videos have pauses up to almost 1 or 2 seconds? Nov 12 13:46:10 im testing with cssu-thumb, kernel-config ideal, qvga low resolution Nov 12 13:46:17 is that expected? Nov 12 13:48:32 amospalla: no Nov 12 13:48:47 freemangordon: thanks Nov 12 13:48:49 does reorded videos stutter? Nov 12 13:48:53 *recorded Nov 12 13:48:55 yes Nov 12 13:49:05 camra-ui is still running after I close it, is that normal? Nov 12 13:49:07 wtf is ideal profile? Nov 12 13:50:37 its a 500-850mhz cpu profile Nov 12 13:50:42 dont remember why am I using it Nov 12 13:51:03 tried dsp one, same happens Nov 12 13:51:19 jon_y: yes, it is dbus service iirc Nov 12 13:52:29 freemangordon: was i supposed to overwrite the files that were already in the omap3430-dsp-* packages with the new files in omap3-dsp-*? Nov 12 13:52:31 weird that it akes about 70MB ram Nov 12 13:53:25 kerio: I have NFC what you're doing, just follow the instructions on 720p thread an you'll be fine Nov 12 13:53:37 ^what he said. Nov 12 13:53:46 http://sometimesredsometimesblue.com/ Nov 12 13:54:18 freemangordon: i just downloaded the actual packages and installed them with --force-overwrite :) Nov 12 13:54:27 jon_y: are you sure it is RAM? Nov 12 13:54:48 freemangordon: conky says it is the top ram consumer Nov 12 13:55:36 now down to 50M Nov 12 13:56:09 wait, its VM size Nov 12 13:56:11 jon_y: hmm, not normal Nov 12 13:56:13 aaah Nov 12 13:56:19 that's better :D Nov 12 13:56:34 about 12M for ram size I guess Nov 12 13:56:43 freemangordon: damn, 720p videos weigh a lot Nov 12 13:56:48 7mb for 7 seconds Nov 12 13:56:55 kerio: ORLY? Nov 12 13:57:07 YA RLY Nov 12 13:57:35 how do I rip my 720p vids in the cinema?? :) Nov 12 13:58:16 kerio: 1280x720@~25, 15-16 Mb/s Nov 12 13:58:23 you calculate it Nov 12 13:58:59 thoug bitrate varies somehow, NFC how exactly Nov 12 13:59:03 there's definetely a bit of stuttering in the video Nov 12 13:59:11 (i didn't overclock the dsp for this test) Nov 12 13:59:28 kerio: do it, you'll see the difference Nov 12 13:59:44 430 is just far from enough Nov 12 13:59:54 even 600 is not enough sometimes Nov 12 13:59:54 I did a 10 second recording, it was smooth other than the beginning Nov 12 14:00:09 freemangordon: hm, is "dvd 16:9" like the stock? Nov 12 14:00:12 this was with the dsp profile Nov 12 14:00:24 kerio: what? Nov 12 14:00:33 aah, no Nov 12 14:01:02 i've got "HD 16:9", "HD 4:3", "DVD 16:9", "DVD 4:3" and then the stock "High 16:9", "Fine 4:3", "Low 4:3" Nov 12 14:01:11 this is wide dvd format, can't remember the exact width Nov 12 14:01:21 480p I think Nov 12 14:01:30 dvd 4:3 is stock "high resolution" Nov 12 14:01:57 720x480! Nov 12 14:02:05 yeah, exactly thet Nov 12 14:02:31 hmm, DVD16:9 still seems too heavy for the stock dsp Nov 12 14:02:44 WFM Nov 12 14:02:47 DVD 4:3 should be fine Nov 12 14:03:02 works fine for short videos of 10 seconds :) Nov 12 14:06:29 freemangordon: the whole install will be botched if nokia releases an update for omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti :) Nov 12 14:07:26 my video stuttering is related to i/o Nov 12 14:08:32 with idle n900, low and medium quality records ok, but with high quality, somethimes it can not sustain the write speed and stutters :/ Nov 12 14:08:40 kerio: no, there are at least one newr version in repos Nov 12 14:09:29 "oh hey guys, I'ma gonna releasing a new patch for the n900 that was continued years ago soon" said Nokia :) Nov 12 14:10:00 amospalla: ionice Nov 12 14:10:08 kerio: aah, you mean Nokia Nov 12 14:10:12 LOL Nov 12 14:10:35 LOL indeed Nov 12 14:10:44 but it's still no good reason to not do things in a clean way :c Nov 12 14:12:47 s/continued/discontinued/ Nov 12 14:12:48 jon_y meant: "oh hey guys, I'ma gonna releasing a new patch for the n900 that was discontinued years ago soon" said Nokia :) Nov 12 14:12:59 stupid spell checker Nov 12 14:14:21 I/O latency is horrible on emmc, and the video recorder doesn't seem to do much caching itself Nov 12 14:14:54 does doing it over sshfs solve things :) Nov 12 14:15:11 MPlayer on the other hand can't encode fast enough, but caches raw video frames inside kernel until kernel goes bezerk and evertything blows up Nov 12 14:15:32 or netcating it over to a dedicated encoder machine Nov 12 14:15:51 jon_y: hm, not enough throughput maybe Nov 12 14:16:17 sadly the n900 doesn't have an ethernet port Nov 12 14:16:28 I imagine it'd be more stable with microsd Nov 12 14:16:30 jon_y: USB ethernet port. Nov 12 14:16:46 use an EyeFi :D Nov 12 14:16:48 not sure how usbnet compares to real ethernet Nov 12 14:16:58 i don't know if they make uSD versions of those Nov 12 14:17:02 12MB/s max. Nov 12 14:17:02 But worst case latency is still problematic with the inadequate caching :/ Nov 12 14:17:03 :/ Nov 12 14:17:13 12MB/s only? Nov 12 14:17:19 usb 2.0 Nov 12 14:17:33 I thought it was 480Mbit in theory? Nov 12 14:17:44 sorry, got that one wrong... Nov 12 14:17:49 yeah but that's not actually achievable Nov 12 14:17:54 it's not firewire Nov 12 14:17:56 how much is practical? Nov 12 14:18:03 60MB/s Nov 12 14:18:18 that's quite a bit Nov 12 14:18:19 vi_: that's not even close to what can *actually* be done Nov 12 14:18:53 so I dump raw frames from ffmpeg, how high can it go before it explodes? Nov 12 14:19:10 about 60 megs Nov 12 14:19:27 60Mbit/s? Nov 12 14:19:45 no, Megabytes Nov 12 14:19:49 without seconds Nov 12 14:20:08 how is that a throughput? Nov 12 14:20:30 It is not. Nov 12 14:20:38 I am just wondering how fat the usbnet pipe is Nov 12 14:20:52 My n900 will not connect to pcsuite anymore. Nov 12 14:20:55 and how it compares to a 100Mbit ethernet Nov 12 14:20:58 vi_: lucky you Nov 12 14:21:05 Other n900 will connect just fine. Nov 12 14:21:08 vi_: ? Nov 12 14:21:10 A bit better than wifi, I've never managed to get more than about 15Mbit from wifi Nov 12 14:21:28 wifi sucks in a crowded apartment Nov 12 14:21:33 If I connect in mass storage mode, it detects the n900 and says 'put in pc-suite mode' Nov 12 14:21:51 If I connect in PCsuite mode it does nothing. Nov 12 14:21:57 :( Nov 12 14:22:03 check kernel modules Nov 12 14:22:13 Only AP on same channel +- 2 channels in 1km radius Nov 12 14:22:28 ShadowJK: watch for sidebands Nov 12 14:22:36 I can confirm g_nokia_ether (or whatever it is called) is loaded. Nov 12 14:22:41 ... why I said +-2 channels Nov 12 14:22:46 ok Nov 12 14:22:55 seems wide enough Nov 12 14:23:01 I have run the /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh Nov 12 14:23:14 manually and as far as I can tell it works fine Nov 12 14:23:25 what does dmesg say? Nov 12 14:35:51 dmesg says nothing Nov 12 14:36:18 freemangordon: fuck yeah, i fixed the codec situation :D Nov 12 14:36:32 http://cxg.de/_f9a1b5.htm Nov 12 14:36:41 ^here is pcsuite-enable.sh Nov 12 14:37:11 I see it ensures mass storage modules is unloaded. Nov 12 14:37:26 Then it ensures g_nokia is loaded Nov 12 14:37:42 Then it emits G_NOKIA_READY Nov 12 14:37:58 guys, how to add a birthday to calendar? Nov 12 14:38:00 The G_NOKIA_READY starts some daemons. Nov 12 14:38:16 freemangordon: You have to set the birthday to one of your contacts. Nov 12 14:38:26 or I can add it only by using contacts? Nov 12 14:38:30 freemangordon: You cannot edit birthday calendar. Nov 12 14:38:38 smaart Nov 12 14:38:40 ok Nov 12 14:38:42 thanks Nov 12 14:38:58 The daemons it starts are syncd Nov 12 14:39:00 obexd Nov 12 14:39:06 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1937044 <- this is what i used Nov 12 14:39:30 pnatd Nov 12 14:39:37 then it appears to kill syncd Nov 12 14:40:07 I can confirm these daemons are running. Nov 12 14:40:21 So why the F**** does it nokia suite not detect my fone? Nov 12 14:40:56 try eavesdropping on the usb comm? Nov 12 14:41:09 libusb for windows filter drivers Nov 12 14:41:36 Well it must be a problem at the n900 Nov 12 14:41:44 It works with other n900s. Nov 12 14:42:05 Butr when I cloned my n900 to another n900, the cloned n900 stopped working as well. Nov 12 14:44:36 woops, womething else then Nov 12 14:44:48 For some reason it is unable to discover the n900 through bluetooth as well., Nov 12 14:44:55 Nokia suite taht is. Nov 12 14:45:08 The computer can find the n900 with bluetooth discover scan. Nov 12 14:45:22 But nokia suite cannot detect it with device discover scan. Nov 12 14:47:46 hrmpf, it doesn't work Nov 12 14:48:05 maybe all the .distrib files are the problem Nov 12 14:50:34 oh no, i'm a moron Nov 12 14:50:40 every file in modprobe.d is read Nov 12 14:59:43 ok, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1937072 is what you have to do to cleanly install the actual packages from TI Nov 12 15:00:01 that also allows for easy, clean uninstall if you get bored of the extra codecs Nov 12 15:00:34 DocScrutinizer05: for fuck's sake, why does my n900 turn on soon after i turned it off? Nov 12 15:01:00 *what* can cause that? Nov 12 15:01:54 lol Estel Nov 12 15:02:13 Sicelo: where? Nov 12 15:02:54 on the mailing list. Nov 12 15:03:03 yeah Nov 12 15:03:40 link to a public archive? Nov 12 15:04:19 you do not want to read it. Nov 12 15:04:35 It is just a sad bi-polar man descending into asswipe. Nov 12 15:04:57 yeah :( Nov 12 15:05:05 sad story Nov 12 15:05:35 is he actually bipolar? :( Nov 12 15:05:51 I do not know. Nov 12 15:06:04 He does however have some kind of mental illness. Nov 12 15:06:20 There is no other rational explanation for such behaviour. Nov 12 15:18:06 DocScrutinizer05: No of the repair shops I looked with wanted to fix my issue, one even wanted me to pay just for telling that, so I'll attempt flashing manually, and if that fails, buy a replacement N900 Nov 12 15:18:28 FIQ: hold on, is it a software problem or a hardware problem? Nov 12 15:18:41 It's the microUSB Nov 12 15:18:46 It works, but not too well Nov 12 15:19:10 DocScrutinizer05 insisted me to go to a repair shop to fix it while it was still working at all, but none that I visited wanted to do it.. Nov 12 15:19:31 what do you mean "flashing manually" then? Nov 12 15:19:35 FIQ: Most phone chop shops are run by goons. Nov 12 15:19:42 scratch manually from it Nov 12 15:19:49 i suggest not touching the microusb port in any way Nov 12 15:19:50 I need to reflash due to either I, bootmenu, or just pure unluck, failing Nov 12 15:19:54 before you've physically fixed it Nov 12 15:19:59 yeah that's what Doc said too Nov 12 15:20:10 but none wants to fix it... and I can't do it for myself Nov 12 15:20:13 FIQ: what happens if you turn the phone on? Nov 12 15:20:14 FIQ: Do you have backup menu? Nov 12 15:20:21 vi_: Yes Nov 12 15:20:30 But my rootfs is so broken so it's of no use Nov 12 15:20:35 That could well be your 'vector'. Nov 12 15:20:38 FIQ: :( Nov 12 15:20:44 backupmenu was the thing that *made* my rootfs broken Nov 12 15:20:45 FIQ: backup menu is total foobar? Nov 12 15:20:51 bollocks. Nov 12 15:20:51 Well, menu works Nov 12 15:21:00 But I can't do anything useful with it Nov 12 15:21:34 kerio: I've sight problems and anything that requires me to play around with hardware, I'm not going to do Nov 12 15:21:38 i wonder... can bootmenu boot something from the uSD? Nov 12 15:21:49 Neither computer stuff or hardware on N900 stuff Nov 12 15:21:50 without configuring anything in the rootfs Nov 12 15:22:08 FIQ: try to find a better repair shop Nov 12 15:22:13 kerio: Basically my rootfs is in this state: Nov 12 15:22:21 if that fails, buy a new n900 and then sell the old one to recover part of the cost Nov 12 15:22:21 :) Nov 12 15:22:21 Watchdog completly fails Nov 12 15:22:25 Maemo doesn't boot Nov 12 15:22:44 Bootupmenu, while booting fine, doesn't help me with anything because it fails to mount stuff (like the MyDocs partition) Nov 12 15:22:59 er Nov 12 15:22:59 How does recue OS work? Nov 12 15:23:01 *backupmenu Nov 12 15:23:11 I don't have rescue OS :) Nov 12 15:23:16 None told me of it Nov 12 15:23:17 vi_: unless you've installed it and configured uboot, you need a working usb port Nov 12 15:23:19 before it was too late Nov 12 15:24:03 At the moment, I'm waiting for my battery to charge (with my external battery charger) Nov 12 15:24:23 because when I tried to start flashing, my N900 just showed steady amber LED, which according to forums means too little power Nov 12 15:24:31 FIQ: you need to flash combined, vanilla, combined Nov 12 15:24:39 why? Nov 12 15:24:41 hopefully you won't cause *more* problems to your n900 Nov 12 15:24:43 shouldn't combined be fine? Nov 12 15:24:56 FIQ: is optfs still fine? Nov 12 15:25:05 I *think* so Nov 12 15:25:09 but I'm not completly sure Nov 12 15:26:17 " because when I tried to start flashing, my N900 just showed steady amber LED, which according to forums means too little power" but at least I could make the USB connection stable (no sporadic amber as it would be if connection was bad) Nov 12 15:26:31 So, whatever happens, the USB connection is most likely fine Nov 12 15:26:36 (for the moment) Nov 12 15:26:45 that is, if I hold it in a specific way :p Nov 12 15:27:03 this is such a bad idea... Nov 12 15:27:07 DocScrutinizer05: comments? Nov 12 15:27:11 Do you have a better solution? :) Nov 12 15:27:20 I tried several repair shops, none wanted to help Nov 12 15:27:22 FIQ: no, i have a working usb port Nov 12 15:27:26 and they mostly just demotivated me Nov 12 15:28:56 kerio: about combined/vanilla/combined, I'll attempt to flash just combined first, if that fails i'll do vanilla too (everything without unplugging USB cable) Nov 12 15:29:10 and then combined again due to nokia idiocy flashing stuff Nov 12 15:29:22 (why does vanilla make things fail anyway?) Nov 12 15:31:30 you're the guy who restored backup with wrong kernel modules some time ago? Nov 12 15:32:19 correct Nov 12 15:32:36 but according to people in here, that shouldn't break things that horribly Nov 12 15:32:49 just make maemo unbootable (and I backed up before restoring the previous backup) Nov 12 15:33:24 you have -thumb? Nov 12 15:33:40 I don't know what that is so I guess not Nov 12 15:33:52 yeah, probably Nov 12 15:33:57 not Nov 12 15:33:58 ..what is it? :p Nov 12 15:34:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 Nov 12 15:36:37 just a though, it might not be a good idea to try to boot with stock kernel to cssu-thumb userland. anyways, don't know what your problem is exactly and quite frankly I'm currently too lazy to read the backlog :) Nov 12 15:37:25 "might not"? Nov 12 15:37:32 it will cause a shitton of problems everywhere Nov 12 15:37:49 Skry: my problem is that I flashed to stock kernel from kernel power Nov 12 15:38:13 that's the difference in terms of kernel Nov 12 15:38:52 kerio: yes, "might not". Nov 12 15:39:11 FIQ: so, you've tried to flash kp already? Nov 12 15:39:12 (well I had another problem regarding timestamps too, but according to robb, that problem shouldn't make a difference with the backup restore process) Nov 12 15:39:28 yeah, timestamps are just timestamps Nov 12 15:39:34 Skry: hm? I flashed kernel-power on device, and that went smooth Nov 12 15:39:44 But then I had to restore a backupmenu backup Nov 12 15:40:01 due to an issue that most likely could be solved by a more trivial thing Nov 12 15:40:07 And restored to a version before I had kernel-power Nov 12 15:40:15 That, according to #maemo, was what went wrong Nov 12 15:40:27 I've just inherited a N900 & flashed it with flasher (see http://paste2.org/p/2468458 ) however upon rebooting there is still the old settings/contacts of the previous owner? Nov 12 15:40:32 am I missing something? Nov 12 15:40:44 cjdavies: I believe these are stored in the optfs Nov 12 15:40:53 FIQ: yep, you restored a full backup that missed the modules for KP Nov 12 15:41:00 thus, you can't boot at all Nov 12 15:41:06 cjdavies: reflash vanilla, combined, vanilla Nov 12 15:41:20 but why does it make backupmenu in the state it is right now? Nov 12 15:41:23 FIQ: I mean, have you tried flashing kp after restoring the backup which "broke" your install? Nov 12 15:41:32 FIQ: because the kernel needs modules :) Nov 12 15:41:38 including, for instance, the modules to access the eMMC Nov 12 15:41:42 or the uSD Nov 12 15:41:47 Skry: I cannot mount MyDocs from backupmenu Nov 12 15:42:05 FIQ: and why do you need to do that? Nov 12 15:42:23 because the kp backup is there? Nov 12 15:42:23 Skry: to restore a more recent backup, maybe Nov 12 15:42:29 :p Nov 12 15:42:42 or how exactly did you suggest me to flash kp? Nov 12 15:42:57 FIQ: you only need to flash the stock kernel, actually Nov 12 15:42:58 FIQ: kerio: I flashed with PR_COMBINED, are you saying I should flash with VANILLA_PR, then PR_COMBINED, then VANILLA_PR again? Nov 12 15:43:09 kerio: ok Nov 12 15:43:10 cjdavies: actually, your system boots fine, right? Nov 12 15:43:15 kerio: yes Nov 12 15:43:16 cjdavies: flash vanilla and then combined Nov 12 15:43:20 so basically I should do what I do right now, but flash kernel instead of rootfs? Nov 12 15:43:22 also, i meant combined+vanilla+combined, before Nov 12 15:43:24 right, will do, thanks kerio Nov 12 15:43:31 FIQ: sorry to hear about your problems to find anybody willing to solder down your USB port. Maybe you asked for the wrong thing? I couldn't figure how a usual repair shop would refuse to do some soldering as described in detail in some phot footage. Anyway regarding your problems with flashing, I still think it's only caused by flaky USB. And no, the amber LED is no idicator of anything useful regarding USB defects whatsoever Nov 12 15:43:34 kerio: and why not flash kp since that was what he was using anyway? Nov 12 15:43:37 but you don't need the first combined if your system boots fine Nov 12 15:43:49 Skry: because the current system has only the modules for the stock kernel Nov 12 15:44:04 DocScrutinizer05: amber LED means lack of power, right? Nov 12 15:44:11 cjdavies: why said you should flash VANILLA twice? Nov 12 15:44:17 FIQ: no Nov 12 15:44:24 steady amber LED, that is Nov 12 15:44:28 ok, what does it mean? Nov 12 15:44:30 still no Nov 12 15:44:41 wait, so he restored stock and was using kp? Nov 12 15:44:44 ok Nov 12 15:44:47 stock then Nov 12 15:44:53 we call it "flatbat recover", but it's just bq24150's native charging mode Nov 12 15:45:13 FIQ: so, flash the stock kernel and you should be fine Nov 12 15:45:23 it means mce / NOLO hasn't configured 1707 and bq24150 and there's VBUS applied and D+- short Nov 12 15:45:31 Skry: his microusb port is flaky as shit Nov 12 15:45:37 I wish I could flash an n900 from an n900. Nov 12 15:45:46 vi_: you can, surely? Nov 12 15:45:50 Skry: yeah I know my problem Nov 12 15:46:01 kerio: the download for vanilla says that I mustn't boot the device between flashing vanilla & subsequently flashing fiasco - how do I do that, pull the battery after vanilla has finished? Nov 12 15:46:01 but the problem here is *how*, not *what* :P Nov 12 15:46:03 brb eat Nov 12 15:46:04 you probably need a usb hub in the middle, to avoid problems with the enumeration Nov 12 15:46:05 because it reboots automagically Nov 12 15:46:22 cjdavies: it only reboots automagically if you tell flasher to reboot it :) Nov 12 15:46:22 enumeration... I hated that issue last time I reflashed n900 Nov 12 15:46:36 don't use the -R option when you flash vanilla Nov 12 15:46:36 took like 20 tries with a completly fine microUSB because flasher simply refused to do it Nov 12 15:46:36 kerio: ah, I'll read the man page :) Nov 12 15:46:49 brb eat Nov 12 15:46:59 cjdavies: that note on download side is rather unfortunate Nov 12 15:47:09 * kerio thinks FIQ's usb port was already dying Nov 12 15:47:59 does it work at all? Nov 12 15:48:12 well I get feedback Nov 12 15:48:13 what does the vanilla image count as in terms of flasher flags? is it a kernel image, root image, etc.? Nov 12 15:48:24 in the form of a steady amber light when holding it Nov 12 15:48:30 cjdavies: fiasco image Nov 12 15:48:32 so it definitely responds Nov 12 15:48:38 no idea if it's enough though Nov 12 15:48:42 cjdavies: please see Nov 12 15:48:44 ~flash Nov 12 15:48:45 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 12 15:48:48 kerio: oh, so I flash both vanilla & combined with -f Nov 12 15:48:51 duct tape to the rescue and flash :) Nov 12 15:48:54 cjdavies: yes Nov 12 15:48:58 you have to do them separately though Nov 12 15:49:03 well yes :) Nov 12 15:49:12 & without -R it won't reboot Nov 12 15:49:13 awesome Nov 12 15:49:19 DocScrutinizer05: I told pretty much what you told me to do, and gave links Nov 12 15:49:21 it has a pretty comprehensive explanation on why you shouldn't reboot, OR need to flash COMBINED *after* VANILLA Nov 12 15:49:41 @ "maybe you asked for the wrong thing?" Nov 12 15:50:19 DocScrutinizer05: the recommended full flashing procedure is still (combined+)vanilla+combined, right? Nov 12 15:50:22 FIQ: I'd bet giving links is nothing any repair shop would handle. I'd give them printouts of the photo footage Nov 12 15:50:33 kerio: right Nov 12 15:50:54 cjdavies: also make sure you downloaded the latest global release of the images Nov 12 15:51:10 or, rather, the latest global COMBINED and the latest VANILLA Nov 12 15:52:00 kerio: so I'm going to do 'flasher -F -f' followed by 'flasher -F -f -R' Nov 12 15:52:12 I assume I want it to reboot after combined is flashed Nov 12 15:52:38 kerio: where you also could say: combined + NO_BOOT-HERE + vanilla Nov 12 15:52:49 cjdavies: yep Nov 12 15:52:56 DocScrutinizer05: yeah but it's kinda weird like that Nov 12 15:52:56 thanks kerio Nov 12 15:53:06 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, i suppose you can just flash combined with -R and then hold u Nov 12 15:53:11 also, whatever happens, if I succeed flashing, I'll attempt to have a working uboot install, as clearly bootupmenu isn't enough, and can't boot stuff from uSD w/o configuration before Nov 12 15:53:35 kerio: possibly Nov 12 15:53:39 never tested it Nov 12 15:53:59 cjdavies: as soon as you're done flashing, come back here Nov 12 15:54:12 to simply completly get rid of having to do this with a computer (aside from transferring stuff to SD if needed) Nov 12 15:54:17 cjdavies: we've got some good stuff for you Nov 12 15:54:17 anyway (combined+)vanilla+combined is always safe, no matter when or if you boot in between Nov 12 15:54:22 mwahahahahahAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Nov 12 15:54:58 DocScrutinizer05: how much is booted when you flash vanilla, btw? Nov 12 15:55:07 why is flashing portable electronics always so nervewracking? Nov 12 15:55:17 even though I'#ve never actually bricked anything... yet Nov 12 15:55:27 cjdavies: the n900 is almost completely recoverable Nov 12 15:55:31 cjdavies: you can't brick N900 Nov 12 15:55:32 whatever you do via software Nov 12 15:55:43 at least not by flashing it 'incorrectly' Nov 12 15:56:03 but keep a backup of /dev/mtd1 :) Nov 12 15:56:04 I could certainly try ;P Nov 12 15:56:05 cjdavies: unless you do like me and break its' microUSB Nov 12 15:56:17 and write what's your hw revision somewhere Nov 12 15:56:31 FIQ: I've seen that issue online Nov 12 15:56:46 I've already repaired 1 portable device that used an insufficiently strongly mounted micro USB socket Nov 12 15:56:51 I wish manufacturers wouldn't do that Nov 12 15:56:54 listen to kerio, he knows stuff pretty good Nov 12 15:57:01 cjdavies: cool, go repair FIQ's n900 then! Nov 12 15:57:06 but I suppose, as long as issue stays firmware, there's very rarely a problem Nov 12 15:57:19 besides possible losing saved data :P Nov 12 15:57:26 *possibly Nov 12 15:57:33 they're not nice to repair, unless you're used to SMD work Nov 12 15:57:40 I managed it with a flood & suck technique Nov 12 15:57:49 using proper lead solder which should hopefully last longer Nov 12 15:57:49 cjdavies: good, where do I send my N900? Nov 12 15:57:53 haha Nov 12 15:58:24 cjdavies: there's a particular partition on the onboard NAND that holds data that's kinda hard to recover - for instance, the bluetooth mac address Nov 12 15:58:33 I thought you could nuke cal Nov 12 15:58:42 how about the IMEI? Nov 12 15:58:47 vi_: i said "hard to recover" Nov 12 15:58:51 not "impossible" :) Nov 12 15:58:58 FIQ: separate storage Nov 12 15:59:00 inaccessible, too Nov 12 15:59:05 aw Nov 12 15:59:10 that's a magic black box called rapuyama Nov 12 15:59:12 hm, something hasn't gone right Nov 12 15:59:22 it's booted to a black screen with a pink rectangle in the upper left corner Nov 12 15:59:51 sounds like when I broke hildon accidentally Nov 12 16:00:14 cjdavies: are you sure you haven't booted after just vanilla? Nov 12 16:00:19 that sounds like missing stuff Nov 12 16:00:43 kerio: I did both, but the combined flash seemed too fast Nov 12 16:00:53 pastebin the log somewhere Nov 12 16:00:54 did flasher say anything? Nov 12 16:01:02 cjdavies: you already messed up the correct sequence, when you asked "vanilla + combined + vanilla2 which is incorrect. Nov 12 16:01:18 http://paste2.org/p/2468526 Nov 12 16:01:34 combined flash takes ~30..60s, vanilla some 90s iirc Nov 12 16:01:57 cjdavies: hm, what happened at the end? Nov 12 16:02:02 combined took only a few seconds Nov 12 16:02:04 that is all of the output Nov 12 16:02:10 flashing combined did jack shit :S Nov 12 16:02:17 :( Nov 12 16:02:24 are you sure there's nothing after that? Nov 12 16:02:27 you forgot to blacklist your cdc_phonet module I guess Nov 12 16:02:32 kerio: the next line was my prompt Nov 12 16:02:42 I modprobed -r'd cdc_phonet Nov 12 16:02:42 DocScrutinizer05: oooh that's a good one Nov 12 16:02:54 or does that need doing before each command? Nov 12 16:03:13 cjdavies: maybe some autoloading, autoconfiguring piece of BS modprobed it again Nov 12 16:03:20 D: Nov 12 16:03:22 how rude of it Nov 12 16:03:24 indeed Nov 12 16:03:27 cjdavies: if you modprobe -r'd it then you evidently haven't blacklisted it, and it kicks in again during flashing Nov 12 16:03:32 right, is the phone saveable? Nov 12 16:03:37 cjdavies: just flash again :) Nov 12 16:03:42 awesome Nov 12 16:03:54 please refer to Nov 12 16:03:57 ~flash Nov 12 16:03:58 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 12 16:04:04 yes, I have read that Nov 12 16:04:07 afk, bbl Nov 12 16:04:16 but I also prefer the human touch for some confirmation ;) Nov 12 16:04:31 cjdavies: that prompt... fedora? Nov 12 16:05:01 kerio: the prompt is whatever I put in bashrc Nov 12 16:05:05 Arch Linux, actually Nov 12 16:05:07 hm Nov 12 16:05:15 i don't know what's arch's default PS1 Nov 12 16:05:30 debian's is user@host:dir$ without any spaces Nov 12 16:05:32 can't remember if my root user has the default, it may do Nov 12 16:05:40 normal user doesn't for sure Nov 12 16:05:41 cjdavies: fellow arch user here o/ Nov 12 16:05:44 i thought arch was supposed to be all l33t and stuff Nov 12 16:05:51 with no need for silly hardware autoconfiguration Nov 12 16:06:08 >:D Nov 12 16:06:27 Skry: highfive Nov 12 16:06:32 yea Nov 12 16:06:49 combined did naff all again :/ Nov 12 16:06:53 literally less than a second Nov 12 16:07:00 ~gentoosmite kerio Nov 12 16:07:01 * infobot spends 6 weeks recompiling kerio, and when it's all done, kerio runs 4% slower than previously Nov 12 16:07:14 cjdavies: don't put the -R at the end maybe Nov 12 16:07:48 to flash emmc: flasher -F -f Nov 12 16:08:00 cjdavies: actually, maybe you should reboot after flashing VANILLA too Nov 12 16:08:04 but make sure you're still holding u Nov 12 16:08:05 then root: flasher -F -f Nov 12 16:08:20 kerio: You only have to do that for the start up. Nov 12 16:08:37 vi_: he can't seem to flash COMBINED for some reason Nov 12 16:08:45 cold flash o) Nov 12 16:09:07 BS Nov 12 16:09:13 blacklist cdc_phonet! Nov 12 16:09:21 that, too Nov 12 16:09:37 DocScrutinizer05: you'd get an error message if that was the problem Nov 12 16:09:41 i don't know what's arch's default PS1 Nov 12 16:09:46 I have just blacklisted cdc_phonet Nov 12 16:10:09 iirc it's (dir)$, simple as that Nov 12 16:10:28 boot after flashing VANILLA is irrelevant (though you need to add -R or remove battery since otherwise it doesn't return from flashing vanilla, bug in flasher rocks) Nov 12 16:10:37 kerio: nope Nov 12 16:10:40 ooh, that's the problem then Nov 12 16:10:43 i remembered something like that Nov 12 16:11:08 right, lsmod reports cdc_phonet has f*cked off Nov 12 16:11:11 let's try again Nov 12 16:11:28 cjdavies: reset your n900 after flashing VANILLA Nov 12 16:11:33 cjdavies: plug in phone, lsmod|grep phonet Nov 12 16:11:34 either with -R or by removing the battery Nov 12 16:11:50 kerio: at what point is it safe to do so? Nov 12 16:11:55 kerio: With palis new charging stuff can I just apt-get remove bme? Nov 12 16:11:56 oh, -R Nov 12 16:11:59 also I run arch too, and flasher insisted to modprobe cdc_phonet which messed up everything Nov 12 16:12:00 but then hold u Nov 12 16:12:09 blacklisting it seemed to do nothing, but it turned out I just did it wrong Nov 12 16:12:16 vi_: pali has a replacement for the bme package too Nov 12 16:12:27 kerio: where do I get all this cool shit? Nov 12 16:12:37 vi_: it's a secret Nov 12 16:12:41 FIQ: thus [2012-11-12 17:11:33] cjdavies: plug in phone, lsmod|grep phonet Nov 12 16:12:42 ~pali Nov 12 16:12:42 hmm... pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ Nov 12 16:13:11 hrmpf, can't find a link Nov 12 16:13:32 vi_: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ Nov 12 16:13:51 if N900 would agree on booting directly from uSD at the same level as how flashing simply always work, then my process would be way easier :D Nov 12 16:14:19 right, vanilla went in & combined is taking longer now Nov 12 16:14:40 as in, a reassuring amount of time & progress bar that stuff isa ctually happenning :) Nov 12 16:14:41 FIQ: guess you don't have uboot installed then :) Nov 12 16:14:48 Skry: no ._. Nov 12 16:15:01 * cjdavies only just realised this thing has 32GB(!) of storage Nov 12 16:15:01 cjdavies: sounds like finally you made it Nov 12 16:15:03 I thought bootupmenu went as lowlevel as that Nov 12 16:15:18 DocScrutinizer05: guess I'm lucky this thing is 'recoverable' Nov 12 16:15:22 FIQ: bootmenu is something that happens after the kernel is loaded Nov 12 16:15:23 so I though uboot was not just rendurant, but conflicting Nov 12 16:15:32 *thought Nov 12 16:15:46 cjdavies: the n900 is pretty resilient, as long as your µusb port is still working Nov 12 16:15:49 is cdc_phonet used for anything else that I might encounter, or is it just phones like the N900? Nov 12 16:16:09 wonder if I should leave the blacklist there in case I ever come to flash again & forget to kill it Nov 12 16:16:10 the link of uBoot to bootmenu is extremely unfortunate and missleading. They are completely different concepts Nov 12 16:16:11 kerio: hmm ok Nov 12 16:16:24 FIQ: yeah, it does not. I have not actually flashed my device since i made uboot + cssu kernel fiasco, made life with n900 so much easier. Nov 12 16:16:36 DocScrutinizer05: ok Nov 12 16:16:37 cjdavies: for what i've heard, cdc_phonet is there to annoy people that use phones with usb connections Nov 12 16:16:39 I think I may need to do a re-flash. Nov 12 16:16:47 This will be like a lobotomy Nov 12 16:16:47 kerio: :D Nov 12 16:16:54 cjdavies: you probably want it blacklisted Nov 12 16:16:59 Skry: the only real reason that I didn't have uboot, besides backupmenu, was that I wanted kernel-power Nov 12 16:17:06 and that conflicted with uboot Nov 12 16:18:10 DocScrutinizer05: ok.. so I can, theoretically even though I see no point in it, have uboot boot into bootmenu (which needs a kernel to boot, which uboot fixes)? Nov 12 16:18:10 FIQ: no it doesn't really Nov 12 16:18:19 DocScrutinizer05: the package do Nov 12 16:18:23 yes Nov 12 16:18:47 and I didn't want to compile kp manually to make it work with uboot, because of risking messing something up Nov 12 16:19:25 FIQ: the uBoot package conflicts to KP, but not to KP-zImage used by uBoot Nov 12 16:19:46 what he said^ Nov 12 16:19:53 errr, you know what I mean Nov 12 16:20:38 huzzah, it seems likt it's been properly reset to factory now, no signs of the previous owner :) Nov 12 16:20:47 DocScrutinizer05: just a question, is there a package provided by extras (or -testing/-devel), which makes KP work with uboot for me? Nov 12 16:20:52 uBoot and original KP conflict on same storage location, but uBoot can boot a KP image file Nov 12 16:20:59 there was uboot-power (or something) previously, but that kernel was outdated last time I tried Nov 12 16:21:24 or do I have to make images myself? :p Nov 12 16:21:27 lol @ 'skynet' wlan in the intro video Nov 12 16:21:54 cjdavies: ah crap, i forgot something incredibly important Nov 12 16:22:03 don't boot up with a sim inserted, for the first time Nov 12 16:22:09 oh Nov 12 16:22:20 Never taken it out Nov 12 16:22:26 why's that? Nov 12 16:22:35 unless you're fine with sending an international SMS to the MyNokia service Nov 12 16:22:42 god Nov 12 16:22:43 kerio: I hadn't even thought about putting a SIM in yet Nov 12 16:22:46 luckily, it seems Nov 12 16:22:46 cjdavies: good :) Nov 12 16:22:47 dat mynokia Nov 12 16:22:55 SIM is still in my E6 Nov 12 16:22:56 and? Nov 12 16:22:56 hate it Nov 12 16:23:09 ok, before doing stuff with the system, get root access Nov 12 16:23:16 FIQ: I think it is called kernel-power-bootimg but i might be wrong Nov 12 16:23:16 took a while before I managed to disable it Nov 12 16:23:24 it simply ignored me the first tries Nov 12 16:23:33 not a big fan of the E6 - hardware/design is nice, but the OS/software is slow & unreliable Nov 12 16:23:52 remove the "cherry" package, remove the "*-installer" packages, then install backupmenu and make a full backup :) Nov 12 16:24:08 also, while looking for possible replacement of N900 in case this fails, I found that one store actually still sells N900s lol Nov 12 16:24:16 but at the same price as the launch... Nov 12 16:24:19 FIQ: link? Nov 12 16:24:31 it's swedish :p Nov 12 16:24:46 a boxed, cellophaned n900 is worth a fair bit Nov 12 16:24:47 FIQ: ok, link? :) Nov 12 16:24:58 http://www.phonehouse.se/Mobiltelefoner/Nokia/Nokia-N900-Trelast Nov 12 16:25:06 cjdavies: btw, the n900 uses the best packaging system ever Nov 12 16:25:15 ~jrtools Nov 12 16:25:16 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 12 16:25:16 apparently there's "few in stock" Nov 12 16:25:20 but there's some :P Nov 12 16:25:27 AP FUCKING T Nov 12 16:25:31 hell yeah Nov 12 16:25:38 if this flashing fails, I'm thinking of simply buying a new one from there Nov 12 16:25:38 kerio: I haven't really investigated it yet, I just wanted to see how easy it would be to reset it properly Nov 12 16:25:44 next comes *physically* cleaning it Nov 12 16:25:48 heh Nov 12 16:25:49 how easy is it to dismantle? Nov 12 16:25:52 it's worth it, considering the alternatives..... Nov 12 16:26:01 -sh: sshL not found :/ Nov 12 16:26:06 cjdavies: i'll let the other guys tell you about that Nov 12 16:26:13 i never actually opened one Nov 12 16:26:17 FIQ: How much are they in real monies? Nov 12 16:26:23 "real monies" Nov 12 16:26:28 do you want it in EUR or USD? Nov 12 16:26:33 GBP, euro etc. Nov 12 16:26:38 FIQ: he said "real monies", so EUR Nov 12 16:26:40 or BTC :P Nov 12 16:26:48 640 Nov 12 16:26:52 if I have the most recent images flashed, are there any oter updates to do OTA or whatever? Nov 12 16:26:57 as I said, launch cost :p Nov 12 16:26:57 presuming there might be... Nov 12 16:27:08 cjdavies: plenty, actually :) Nov 12 16:27:14 cjdavies: but you still want to do a backup first, i suppose Nov 12 16:27:26 and gain root access even before that Nov 12 16:27:27 vi_: whatever you do, I prefer you not to take the last one in case my n900 flashing fails :o Nov 12 16:27:34 kerio: dunno, I should probably get back to work before I start playing more Nov 12 16:27:43 FIQ: don't buy a n900 for 640€ :s Nov 12 16:27:45 oh yeah, forgot it'll need to be rooted Nov 12 16:27:48 buy a used one for 110€ Nov 12 16:27:50 cjdavies: don't say that Nov 12 16:28:01 I sort of assumed a phone that gives you a terminal out of the box would also give you root ;) Nov 12 16:28:13 well Nov 12 16:28:20 it's kind of simple Nov 12 16:28:27 cjdavies: well, you can just enable rd mode from the flasher, and then "sudo gainroot" will give you a root shell Nov 12 16:28:32 root is disabled solely for people not to break things too fast Nov 12 16:28:39 or you can install a package from the graphical package manager Nov 12 16:28:47 "rooting" is just installing a package from the official repository Nov 12 16:28:52 and you're done Nov 12 16:28:58 okay, so assuming I'm not going to do any more work today (it's half past 4 already, I've been here sine 8:30) what are my next steps - root, update, backup? Nov 12 16:28:59 there's several alternatives, actually :P Nov 12 16:29:03 FIQ: maemo extras isn't *that* ufficial Nov 12 16:29:10 graphical? *spit* Nov 12 16:29:12 cjdavies: root, backup, install CSSU :) Nov 12 16:29:12 it isn't? Nov 12 16:29:19 cjdavies: not only it's graphical, it's also SLOW AS SHIT Nov 12 16:29:22 cjdavies: you have to use the graphical one Nov 12 16:29:29 because you haven't root.. yet Nov 12 16:29:35 ;) Nov 12 16:29:37 cssu? Nov 12 16:29:40 while that package uses a scary method to do it Nov 12 16:29:49 Christadelphian Sunday School Union Nov 12 16:29:51 ... Nov 12 16:30:03 ah, Community Seamless Software Update Nov 12 16:30:06 cjdavies: basically, open application manager, search for "rootsh" Nov 12 16:30:21 right, first things first, I root, right? Nov 12 16:30:23 in kp51 is there some kind of...auto usb thingy going on? Nov 12 16:30:32 or, if you're going to have a ssh server, simply install openssh, that's enough as it enables you to login as root Nov 12 16:30:33 cjdavies: people will suggest to use the rootsh package, but imo it's a bad idea Nov 12 16:30:44 I.e. how to disable host mode? Nov 12 16:31:14 I installed another package that made a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ (or something) which a line that enabled me to sudo as on a linux desktop Nov 12 16:31:29 don't remember what it was called Nov 12 16:31:33 cjdavies: open "application manager" and go in the catalogs menu Nov 12 16:31:49 but I prefer that over sudo gainroot method Nov 12 16:31:59 to not have to login as root everytime I want to do root stuff.. Nov 12 16:32:16 kerio: with you so far... checking for updates... Nov 12 16:32:28 cjdavies: application manager is slow, slow and slow Nov 12 16:32:36 cjdavies: there's a "system update", but don't do it - it's not needed, you're going to install CSSU :) Nov 12 16:32:41 where's my apt/pacman :( Nov 12 16:32:47 i only use it if it's encouraged Nov 12 16:32:50 cjdavies: once you get a shell, there's apt Nov 12 16:32:52 otherwise I simply use apt Nov 12 16:32:54 :D Nov 12 16:33:04 so I've got a list of catalogues now Nov 12 16:33:09 gui package manager is just too slow. Nov 12 16:33:10 cjdavies: in catalogs, disable ovi and maemo.org, and add the extras-devel repository Nov 12 16:33:14 (I prever pacman though) Nov 12 16:33:24 *prefer Nov 12 16:33:30 done Nov 12 16:33:37 then... new? Nov 12 16:33:47 yes Nov 12 16:33:48 ~extras-devel Nov 12 16:33:49 from memory, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Nov 12 16:33:50 hang on, this is just a GUI over apt :/ Nov 12 16:34:02 cjdavies: nah, it's worse than that :) Nov 12 16:34:16 cjdavies: If you were smart and enabled RD mode, you could just use vi to edit sources.list. Nov 12 16:34:21 cjdavies: whatever it is, it's needed no matter what as you can't "sudo gainroot" Nov 12 16:34:33 vi_: R&D mode is a bad idea Nov 12 16:34:40 FIQ: enable R&D mode. Nov 12 16:34:44 while it enables sudo gainroot out of the box, it does other things too Nov 12 16:34:45 FIQ: HORSE SHIT. Nov 12 16:34:55 which likes to eat battery Nov 12 16:35:01 that's what I've heard at least Nov 12 16:35:02 FIQ: BULL SHIT. Nov 12 16:35:04 cjdavies: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Nov 12 16:35:22 FIQ: Enabling serial console will cause battery drainz. Nov 12 16:35:30 repo added Nov 12 16:35:40 now wait for the loooooong update Nov 12 16:35:45 R&D mode will not cause you problems. Nov 12 16:35:48 it will take longer than last time :D Nov 12 16:35:50 vi_: ok Nov 12 16:35:51 do I have to prompt it to update? Nov 12 16:35:57 it's back at the catalogues menu Nov 12 16:35:58 exit the catalogs menu, wait a lot of time, then install openssh Nov 12 16:36:04 yeah, that Nov 12 16:36:05 ah Nov 12 16:36:07 it will force update for you Nov 12 16:36:10 have fun Nov 12 16:36:12 aaaaaaaaaahhh Nov 12 16:36:13 Iti is useful for disabling watchdog, and setting bootreason:power button. Nov 12 16:36:15 checking... Nov 12 16:36:23 ooh disabling watchdog Nov 12 16:36:24 WHich in turn disables act_dead mode. Nov 12 16:36:28 sounds neat Nov 12 16:36:31 I already have a feeling this is going to be much more fun than my E6 Nov 12 16:36:38 cjdavies: oh you have *no* idea Nov 12 16:36:43 though not as much metal in my hands :( Nov 12 16:36:47 I do like that about the E6 Nov 12 16:36:53 FIQ: My device has been in R&D mode for the last couple of months. Nov 12 16:36:56 the whole thing is just a slab of metal & gorilla glass Nov 12 16:37:03 pity the software is balls on it Nov 12 16:37:29 too bad maemo never was completly open Nov 12 16:37:46 would be neat to be able to simply install maemo instead of android of a random device Nov 12 16:38:02 (meego is possible though) Nov 12 16:38:08 cjdavies: If you are into linux, in about 2 weeks time you are going to declare the n900 the king of everything and start crying that there will never be a sucessor. Nov 12 16:38:22 seriously ... Nov 12 16:38:36 the phone is 3 years old, and yet nothing replaces it Nov 12 16:38:42 jolla MIGHT fix that though Nov 12 16:38:56 FIQ: Do not get your hipes up. Nov 12 16:39:10 your hopes either. Nov 12 16:39:15 :P Nov 12 16:39:15 cjdavies: once it's done, install openssh - it'll let you configure a root password Nov 12 16:39:22 I've been looking for a new phone & have been considering old things like the e52 Nov 12 16:39:26 once you're done, open a shell and ssh root@localhost (sic!) Nov 12 16:39:27 so I don't mind if it's 3 years olf Nov 12 16:39:36 and then configure sudo Nov 12 16:39:46 kerio: That is your preferred method of getting a root shell? Nov 12 16:39:51 you mad? Nov 12 16:39:52 vi_: it's the neater way Nov 12 16:39:56 how the hell do you search in this package manager :/ Nov 12 16:39:57 no, u mad bro Nov 12 16:39:59 cjdavies: just type Nov 12 16:40:05 cjdavies: well, if I consider buying a new N900 for the same price, am I mad? Nov 12 16:40:11 that's a maemoism Nov 12 16:40:15 unlikely my good man, I believe it is you who is mad. Nov 12 16:40:20 also, the "close" button for dialogs is the blurred area above them Nov 12 16:40:30 that's the second maemoism Nov 12 16:40:40 also: Nov 12 16:40:42 (same price as last time, that is, which I bought 2½ years ago) Nov 12 16:40:42 everything else is just your usual X desktop, pretty much Nov 12 16:40:46 apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:40:48 RIGHT NOW. Nov 12 16:40:56 FIQ: maybe not, I'll let you know in 2 weeks ;) Nov 12 16:41:23 do I want openssh server or client & server? Nov 12 16:41:23 cjdavies: Also, make an account on TMO Nov 12 16:41:26 vi_: Actually, installing openssh to get root over rootsh is a good idea IMO Nov 12 16:41:28 if it doesn't have the ssh executable... Nov 12 16:41:29 I did that for myself Nov 12 16:41:41 ~tm0 Nov 12 16:41:41 [tm0] trolls, mooses and orangutans Nov 12 16:41:56 vi_: tm0? Nov 12 16:42:03 ... Nov 12 16:42:05 cjdavies: real definition is talk.maemo.org Nov 12 16:42:10 ah Nov 12 16:42:13 but it consist of that, pretty much Nov 12 16:42:28 so, client & server I want? Nov 12 16:42:32 Then I proceed to make a proper solution to gain root, which allowed me to do "sudo " instead of gainroot, THEN stuff Nov 12 16:42:38 cjdavies: client & server Nov 12 16:42:49 sudo is lame. Nov 12 16:42:57 If you want to do root stuff, do it as root. Nov 12 16:43:02 * cjdavies doesn't normally use sudo on anything Nov 12 16:43:03 sudo is actually fairly important Nov 12 16:43:09 I was taught from the beginning to just type 'su' Nov 12 16:43:10 cjdavies: su doesn't work Nov 12 16:43:13 SAID NO ONE EVER. Nov 12 16:43:14 D: Nov 12 16:43:25 aaaaaaaand we reach the point where you meet the horror Nov 12 16:43:26 BEHOLD Nov 12 16:43:28 ~messybox Nov 12 16:43:29 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Nov 12 16:43:32 also Nov 12 16:43:34 install bash Nov 12 16:43:37 bash > busybox Nov 12 16:43:45 cjdavies: the shell is busybox, which also provides a ton of commands Nov 12 16:43:47 Elephants > Shoes. Nov 12 16:43:51 "su" is a symlink to busybox Nov 12 16:43:56 as such, it can't be made suid root Nov 12 16:44:01 so, it doesn't work Nov 12 16:44:05 sudo is a separate binary Nov 12 16:44:09 kerio: wat Nov 12 16:44:13 that sounds stupid Nov 12 16:44:17 that *is* stupid Nov 12 16:44:21 @ su symlinked to busybox Nov 12 16:44:31 then it doesn't even fill its' original purpose Nov 12 16:44:36 1 application successfully installed :D Nov 12 16:45:04 cjdavies: did it prompt you for a root password? Nov 12 16:45:11 yup Nov 12 16:45:16 aaaaaand now it's being slow again Nov 12 16:45:32 anyway, when I got a new N900 (after my first one, which, believe it or not, broke by microUSB!) by warranty, I installed openssh, fixed proper sudo, installed bash, xchat, coreutils, and then went to sleep Nov 12 16:46:24 right, so openssh installed, how does one 'fix proepr sudo'? Nov 12 16:47:26 cjdavies: edit /etc/sudoers.d/cjdavies and then run update-sudoers Nov 12 16:48:06 add "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" and "root ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in two lines Nov 12 16:48:07 -sh: nano: not found Nov 12 16:48:09 D: Nov 12 16:48:10 I did it by making a file in a directory which IIRC is called /etc/sudoers.d/ with user ALL = (ALL) ALL, and then ran some command.. Nov 12 16:48:17 ah, update-sudoers Nov 12 16:48:23 cjdavies: install it Nov 12 16:48:30 also, you're one of *those* freaks... >:c Nov 12 16:48:41 you've got root access now, apt-get install nano Nov 12 16:48:46 cjdavies: login via ssh, apt-get install nano Nov 12 16:48:49 nano? Nov 12 16:48:53 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA. Nov 12 16:48:57 try pico Nov 12 16:49:04 shiiiiit~ this is cool Nov 12 16:49:05 or better yet, try ed Nov 12 16:49:10 it's a fucking phone with fucking apt Nov 12 16:49:11 cjdavies: also remember that you don't have a physical "esc" button yet Nov 12 16:49:12 dayum Nov 12 16:49:20 You know you have full fat vim...right? Nov 12 16:49:25 no esc? HOW DOES SCREEN WORK?! Nov 12 16:49:39 cjdavies: there's the onscreen esc, or you can just edit the xkb layout Nov 12 16:49:43 cjdavies: You WILL have an escape key before this IRC session is over. Nov 12 16:49:44 cjdavies: there should be a touch esc button on xterminal Nov 12 16:49:54 ah, so there is Nov 12 16:49:55 but mapping it to something physical would be neat Nov 12 16:50:05 ~vi-kbd Nov 12 16:50:06 rumour has it, vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Nov 12 16:50:09 FIQ: ^ Nov 12 16:50:14 :p Nov 12 16:50:16 brb Nov 12 16:50:20 right, so I'm editing a file in /etc//sudoers.d right? Nov 12 16:50:26 cjdavies: yep Nov 12 16:50:53 you said a file called cjdavies but the phone doesn't have such a user Nov 12 16:50:56 right? Nov 12 16:50:59 cjdavies: it's just a file Nov 12 16:51:09 call it mylittlesudoers if you want Nov 12 16:51:15 ah Nov 12 16:51:16 okay Nov 12 16:51:23 I think I actually will call it that just for lulz Nov 12 16:51:25 your user is user Nov 12 16:51:48 so what goes in mylittlesudoers, just 'user'? Nov 12 16:52:19 cjdavies: http://fpaste.org/EpiF/ Nov 12 16:52:24 add a password for "user" too Nov 12 16:52:28 ah Nov 12 16:52:32 ("passwd user", as root) Nov 12 16:52:43 oh, fun fact: passwords are actually capped at 8 characters Nov 12 16:52:55 because of the stupid old-as-shit crypt(3) Nov 12 16:53:02 and there's no /etc/shadow support Nov 12 16:53:11 pwgen spits out exactly 8 chars I think Nov 12 16:53:11 So it is not a salted crypt? Nov 12 16:53:14 so I'm goos Nov 12 16:53:25 vi_: it's the salted crypt(3) Nov 12 16:53:50 aka "shit that can be cracked in a couple of hours" Nov 12 16:55:38 sweet, so now I can do 'su user' && 'sudo apt-' Nov 12 16:55:57 cjdavies: you are already user Nov 12 16:55:58 you idiot Nov 12 16:56:02 so now what, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install bash? Nov 12 16:56:03 ah Nov 12 16:56:11 wait, I ssh'd to localhost as root Nov 12 16:56:16 cjdavies: yep Nov 12 16:56:20 you can logout from there and use sudo Nov 12 16:56:21 so I should exit that session... Nov 12 16:56:36 you already updated Nov 12 16:56:41 from application manager Nov 12 16:56:57 now sudo apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:57:03 expired keys is telling me to update... Nov 12 16:57:03 and sudo apt-get install backupmenu Nov 12 16:57:12 ignore that, it's just that nokia sucks Nov 12 16:57:15 ah Nov 12 16:57:28 right, removing cherry, whatever that is Nov 12 16:57:29 apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:57:29 apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:57:30 apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:57:36 cjdavies: it's the MyNokia crap Nov 12 16:57:49 some sms subscription bullshit Nov 12 16:58:03 *premium* rate sms bullshit Nov 12 16:58:04 ah, I have to kill app manager to release the lock for apt don't I/ Nov 12 16:58:06 apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:58:06 apt-get remove cherry Nov 12 16:59:13 hm, I can't get a lock on /var/lib/dpkg Nov 12 16:59:17 what else could have it? Nov 12 16:59:22 app manager is closed (AFAIK) Nov 12 16:59:28 cjdavies: ah yes Nov 12 16:59:33 apt-worker is still working Nov 12 16:59:36 killall apt-worker. Nov 12 16:59:36 it's HAM's thing Nov 12 16:59:41 yeah, do what vi said Nov 12 16:59:44 never use ham again. Nov 12 16:59:50 ...it runs as root, sudo killall apt-worker Nov 12 17:00:17 no process killed :/ Nov 12 17:00:27 ah, but now the remove is working Nov 12 17:00:31 maybe it just died :) Nov 12 17:00:38 u mad bro? Nov 12 17:01:57 right, cherry is history, what now? :) Nov 12 17:02:10 install backupmenu Nov 12 17:02:22 do you have a microsd? Nov 12 17:02:44 erm... there is one in my E6 which has essentially nothing on it Nov 12 17:03:03 how big? Nov 12 17:03:13 ....8GB I think Nov 12 17:03:16 maybe 16GB Nov 12 17:03:17 that's good enough Nov 12 17:03:26 have you installed backupmenu? Nov 12 17:04:12 getting there Nov 12 17:04:17 k Nov 12 17:05:22 oh hey, a readme Nov 12 17:07:10 card is 8gb Nov 12 17:07:17 I assume cards are hot swappable? Nov 12 17:07:18 yeah, that's good enough Nov 12 17:07:37 cjdavies: they are, but the bad thing is that any access is cut off once you open the backcover Nov 12 17:07:43 (it has a sensor) Nov 12 17:07:59 so don't open the backcover before umounting the partition(s) on the uSD Nov 12 17:08:01 anyway Nov 12 17:08:06 is backupmenu installed? Nov 12 17:08:26 yup Nov 12 17:08:32 ok, shut down the n900 Nov 12 17:08:33 so is there a microswitch somewhere on the cover? Nov 12 17:08:42 it's a magnetic sensor Nov 12 17:08:50 aah Nov 12 17:08:52 magic Nov 12 17:08:55 indeed, magic Nov 12 17:09:06 right, card in? Nov 12 17:09:18 shut down the n900, card in, open kbd slider and turn on the n900 Nov 12 17:10:06 that is, turn on the n900 with the keyboard slider open Nov 12 17:11:14 ah, it goes into the flap first Nov 12 17:11:16 cunning Nov 12 17:11:42 BOOT MENU Nov 12 17:12:12 looks like ncurses... Nov 12 17:12:43 launch backupmenu Nov 12 17:12:46 and make a full backup Nov 12 17:12:49 (rootfs and optfs) Nov 12 17:13:06 so just option b) Create a backup? Nov 12 17:13:14 yes Nov 12 17:13:23 btss, if i remember correctly Nov 12 17:13:31 umount uSD?? Nov 12 17:13:35 eh? Nov 12 17:13:44 DocScrutinizer51: right, it shouldn't be needed Nov 12 17:13:46 except when it is Nov 12 17:13:55 right Nov 12 17:14:02 guessing I don't want to bother with compresion? Nov 12 17:14:15 cjdavies: nope Nov 12 17:14:21 no idea what FS the card has on it but it seems to recognise it Nov 12 17:14:23 ke-recv trties to umount gently Nov 12 17:14:26 cjdavies: it's vfat Nov 12 17:14:42 DocScrutinizer05: it tries to umount gently after the card is already forcibly unplugged, or so i've understood Nov 12 17:14:52 backing up~ Nov 12 17:14:59 this phone is fracking cool Nov 12 17:15:04 this community is fracking cool Nov 12 17:15:09 I think I'm onto something good here Nov 12 17:15:25 you're welcome Nov 12 17:16:00 totally not going to finish building my new NAS tonight Nov 12 17:16:17 I stopped watching a movie to follow this, it's like watching someone giving a birth. Nov 12 17:16:23 he said i'm cool http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/jpg/happy-lesquee.jpg Nov 12 17:16:27 :D Nov 12 17:17:00 cjdavies: you might have found a lot of last 2h at ~jrtools Nov 12 17:17:31 but hey, we have a new user who is not a) troll b) pre-teen hacker on drugs, time for celebration! :) Nov 12 17:17:50 backup complete biatches Nov 12 17:18:02 indeed Nov 12 17:18:06 quit & power off, close slider, power on? Nov 12 17:18:06 cjdavies: ok, now follow the instructions at... ah crap, the wiki is down, isn't it Nov 12 17:18:19 cjdavies: or quit&reboot Nov 12 17:18:21 * DocScrutinizer51 offers a beer for everybody Nov 12 17:18:26 you can boot the normal system from bootmenu Nov 12 17:18:39 ah, of course Nov 12 17:18:46 DocScrutinizer51: do we have a mirror of the wiki? Nov 12 17:18:56 oh no, it's up, nvm Nov 12 17:19:08 cjdavies: follow the instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/wiki/Community_SSU Nov 12 17:19:09 right, toilet break, though I suppose I could just use the N900 to attach to my screen sess... :P Nov 12 17:19:18 noope Nov 12 17:19:23 that's not a real page Nov 12 17:19:24 oh, whoops Nov 12 17:19:28 cjdavies: follow the instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Nov 12 17:19:36 fucking custom mediawiki installs Nov 12 17:19:52 cjdavies: decide if you want to install cssu stable or cssu testing Nov 12 17:19:55 .... just thinking, can I get urxvt on this thing? Nov 12 17:19:57 that would be epic Nov 12 17:20:05 cjdavies: i don't see why not Nov 12 17:20:13 not sure if you noticed it, but your phone is running X11 Nov 12 17:20:48 no urxvt in the repos, but there's mrxvt Nov 12 17:20:49 I had noticed ;) Nov 12 17:21:15 cjdavies: you have a choice to make Nov 12 17:21:24 cssu stable is stable Nov 12 17:21:27 stable as in debian Nov 12 17:21:29 stable for now I think Nov 12 17:21:33 stable as in 3 years out of date Nov 12 17:21:34 cssu testing is a bit more updated Nov 12 17:21:46 but the box this screen session is running on has 339 days uptime for a reason Nov 12 17:21:53 cjdavies: to be honest, the n900 itself is 3 years out of date :) Nov 12 17:22:04 good point Nov 12 17:22:13 anyway, both are good choices Nov 12 17:22:26 cssu testing has a lot of neat new features though! Nov 12 17:22:54 there's no damn pipe character :/ Nov 12 17:23:13 .... just thinking, can I get urxvt on this thing? Nov 12 17:23:17 * chem|st grabs one of DocScrutinizer51's beers and drinks on to "Banning People - or how I started to stop worrying and love the 'One-Touch-Ban' function of TMO" Nov 12 17:23:22 hang on a minute, wasn't I meant to be installing bash? Nov 12 17:23:24 IIRC, urvxt is available in repositories Nov 12 17:23:30 cjdavies: later Nov 12 17:23:36 righto Nov 12 17:23:39 also, pipe should be easy to map Nov 12 17:23:40 anyway, toilet break :P Nov 12 17:23:44 FIQ: W: Unable to locate package urxvt Nov 12 17:23:48 but yeah, you have to do it through Sym Nov 12 17:23:52 at the moment Nov 12 17:24:05 kerio: hmm ok Nov 12 17:24:10 maybe I was wrong Nov 12 17:24:15 cjdavies: fn+ctrl will give you a graphical thing with a lot of symbols Nov 12 17:25:15 yeah, that's what I called sym Nov 12 17:27:11 kerio: cracking n900 root password shouldn't be too bad though Nov 12 17:27:43 so yeah, I fprgpt that there's wifi in the bathrooms here Nov 12 17:28:25 stock terminal doesn't play to well with my screenrc though Nov 12 17:31:57 heh Nov 12 17:32:28 I use tmux with C-a as meta instead of default C-b Nov 12 17:32:34 works nice on computer, works ugly on N900 Nov 12 17:32:53 so I crafted a new configuration file just for use on n900 :P Nov 12 17:33:12 (when ssh-ed into computer, that is) Nov 12 17:33:19 hm Nov 12 17:33:24 wonder when this battery is done charging.. Nov 12 17:35:17 installing stable CSSU~ Nov 12 17:35:33 I might even get around to putting my SIM card in later tonight Nov 12 17:35:40 once I've cleaned it well... Nov 12 17:37:02 interesting thing regarding N900 phone functionality: version 1.0 of the firmware had a critical bug that made a certain kind of SIM completly useless Nov 12 17:37:09 I have to say I don't like where the USB socket is though Nov 12 17:37:11 I had that kind of SIM Nov 12 17:37:14 D: Nov 12 17:37:31 while my first N900 came with 1.1 in stock, my second didn't Nov 12 17:37:40 so had to fix everything through wifi Nov 12 17:37:51 luckily N900 works just fine without sim, unlike some other phones... Nov 12 17:37:52 cjdavies: you said you know your way around a soldering gun, right? Nov 12 17:38:07 ... Nov 12 17:38:10 franken900 Nov 12 17:38:13 no, i mean Nov 12 17:38:22 the microusb port breaks *really* easily Nov 12 17:38:33 I can confirm that Nov 12 17:38:38 especially if you start moving it around while it's plugged Nov 12 17:39:17 the guy who owned it before me certainly wasn't careful with it Nov 12 17:39:23 so hopefully this is a strong one ;) Nov 12 17:39:29 either that or it's on the edge of breaking Nov 12 17:40:34 my suggestion would just be "don't use it unless you must", but I can't do soldering like you Nov 12 17:40:47 mine has just started to feel like it's about to break, and I've not been that gentle with it, bought it in 2009 Nov 12 17:40:51 ~usbfix Nov 12 17:40:52 somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Nov 12 17:41:02 i've been told it's fairly easy to fix Nov 12 17:41:32 doesn't have an old-fashioned charging socket does it? :( Nov 12 17:41:34 E6 has both Nov 12 17:41:38 cjdavies: nope Nov 12 17:41:57 presumably because businesspeople upgrading from E72 wanted to reuse all their car chargers & whatnot Nov 12 17:42:07 slow application manger is slow Nov 12 17:42:31 fun fact: if you get into the situation where the battery is below a certain threshold, and you can't boot, you're hosed Nov 12 17:42:41 ?? Nov 12 17:43:05 NOLO (the bootloader) requires the battery to be charged a fair amount before allowing you to flash Nov 12 17:43:07 right, app manager has the CSSU package but also some libqtm stuff - do I want to do them all, or hold off on the libqtm until after CSSU is in? Nov 12 17:43:21 but to charge, you need to boot the system Nov 12 17:43:22 but one can just charge the battery, no? Nov 12 17:43:36 there's an emergency charge, but it only charges enough to boot properly Nov 12 17:43:41 oh Nov 12 17:43:41 so... lol Nov 12 17:43:46 interesting... Nov 12 17:43:58 can always buy a new battery & hope it comes charged Nov 12 17:44:03 or at least, charged enough... Nov 12 17:44:17 or find someone with a phone that takes BL-5Js Nov 12 17:44:39 I'm kinda disappointed this thing doesn't take BP-4L Nov 12 17:44:51 because I have 2x of those already Nov 12 17:44:56 anyway, updates - all or jsut CSSU? Nov 12 17:45:12 cjdavies: i'd go just CSSU, but i think that it doesn't really matter Nov 12 17:45:41 cjdavies: vi__ claims that a BP-4L would fit in the extra space of a mugen XL cover Nov 12 17:45:44 http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Nov 12 17:46:21 interesting... Nov 12 17:46:33 but it will soon reach the point where I just rig 18650 to the back of it Nov 12 17:46:44 that's a separate option Nov 12 17:46:59 you'd need some pretty creative reorganization to make them fit, though Nov 12 17:47:47 I was just thinking duct tape Nov 12 17:53:44 right, CSSU is installed & phone has rebooted Nov 12 17:53:49 give me mooooooore Nov 12 17:54:58 cjdavies: there's some more stuff actually Nov 12 17:55:02 but that's only for grownups Nov 12 17:55:09 :/ Nov 12 17:55:10 mean Nov 12 17:55:16 install bash3 or bash4 in the meantime Nov 12 17:55:16 anyway, somebody mentioned bash Nov 12 17:55:39 cjdavies: technically you should make *another* BM backup Nov 12 17:55:41 :) Nov 12 17:55:56 :/ Nov 12 17:55:57 ~jr-tools Nov 12 17:55:58 later Nov 12 17:55:58 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 12 17:56:05 that page has a lot of neat stuff Nov 12 17:56:33 mostly to deal with the stupid busybox Nov 12 17:56:36 including bash :) Nov 12 17:56:37 * cjdavies reads Nov 12 17:56:48 ~vikbd Nov 12 17:56:53 bash3 vs bash4? Nov 12 17:56:57 vi___: where's your keyboard? Nov 12 17:57:00 cjdavies: your choice Nov 12 17:57:29 well I'm using 4.2 on everything else Nov 12 17:58:35 ~vi-kbd Nov 12 17:58:35 extra, extra, read all about it, vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Nov 12 17:58:40 cjdavies: ^ Nov 12 17:59:05 cheers Nov 12 17:59:26 i don't think there's anything important we should tell him Nov 12 17:59:55 cjdavies: avoid firefox/fennec unless you've already installed cssu-thumb Nov 12 18:00:01 and don't install cssu-thumb yet Nov 12 18:00:07 it's just... not worth it Nov 12 18:00:34 opera mobile is kinda neat Nov 12 18:01:24 as an opposite view, I would install cssu-thumb immediately because it is worth it :) Nov 12 18:01:40 cjdavies: if you want something that resembles a linux desktop even more, install easy debian Nov 12 18:02:25 kerio: you made me install cssu-thumb :( Nov 12 18:02:37 amospalla: MWAHAHAHAHAHA Nov 12 18:02:42 cjdavies: actually, install cssu-thumb Nov 12 18:02:47 lol Nov 12 18:02:54 I wanted it Nov 12 18:02:59 right, so how does one get the terminal to use bash instead of busybox? Nov 12 18:03:03 also, no urxvt in the repos :( Nov 12 18:03:14 there is mrxvt but I have no idea how related the two are# Nov 12 18:03:17 cjdavies: chsh, once you're sure that /bin/bash4 is in /etc/shells Nov 12 18:04:15 /bin/bash4 is the only thing in /etc/shells Nov 12 18:04:53 cjdavies: then awesome Nov 12 18:05:08 so.... chsh -s /bin.bash4 ? Nov 12 18:05:37 cjdavies: just like you'd do on a normal system :) Nov 12 18:06:31 'You may not change the shell for user' :/ Nov 12 18:06:35 but I asked politely :( Nov 12 18:06:45 wat Nov 12 18:06:47 that makes no sense Nov 12 18:06:59 cjdavies: just "chsh" maybe Nov 12 18:07:06 same output Nov 12 18:07:20 sudo chsh user Nov 12 18:07:33 ah Nov 12 18:07:57 hells yes :) Nov 12 18:11:42 is there a preferred terminal or do people just make do with the default> Nov 12 18:12:31 please stop suggesting 'noobs' to install cssu-thumb Nov 12 18:13:25 it's not a properly supported distro(-upgrade) with frequent SSU rollouts, as userfriendly as supposed to be for newcomers Nov 12 18:13:47 DocScrutinizer05: okay... ._. Nov 12 18:15:16 changing shell for user also not recommended Nov 12 18:15:23 spoilsport :c Nov 12 18:15:34 actually, he's the one that asked how to change his login shell Nov 12 18:15:51 DocScrutinizer05: why Nov 12 18:16:03 it created bootloops Nov 12 18:16:09 cjdavies: it causes problems if the shell of your choosing is not in /etc/shells Nov 12 18:16:12 is it possible to roll your own emmc images yet? Nov 12 18:16:13 might have changed by now, but anyway Nov 12 18:16:15 it *used* to create bootloops Nov 12 18:16:35 vi____: you seem to add more and more underscores as time passes Nov 12 18:16:47 it is my e-peen Nov 12 18:16:53 I am aroused. Nov 12 18:17:12 as long as your nick doesn't _start_ with underline Nov 12 18:17:14 ... Nov 12 18:17:18 ...why? Nov 12 18:17:41 <__vi> uh huh. Nov 12 18:17:58 it would ssem 1 to 3 underscores is taken. Nov 12 18:18:08 vi____: it's taken by you Nov 12 18:18:19 because it's pretty hard to write/complete your nick on N900 then Nov 12 18:18:23 but I am only logged in in 2 other places. Nov 12 18:18:35 DocScrutinizer05: ...use tab. Nov 12 18:18:42 bs Nov 12 18:19:07 I still have to enter first 2 chars of nick Nov 12 18:20:44 that is how I feel trying to find music by russian bands on media player. Nov 12 18:20:54 I do not even know how to start entering cyrillic. Nov 12 18:20:57 oshit Nov 12 18:21:07 so supposedly you're not supposed to do apt-get dist-upgrade Nov 12 18:21:21 good thing I made that backup I think Nov 12 18:21:22 cjdavies: NEVER. Nov 12 18:21:42 oops Nov 12 18:21:43 It is like playing russian roullette. Nov 12 18:21:47 * cjdavies restores from the backup Nov 12 18:21:48 WITH AN UZI. Nov 12 18:21:54 cjdavies: would you mind to read ~jrtools already? Nov 12 18:22:19 or better yet, apply it Nov 12 18:23:05 so, the backupmenu seems to have been removed too... Nov 12 18:23:07 D: Nov 12 18:23:09 * cjdavies cries Nov 12 18:23:12 oh lawds Nov 12 18:23:34 am I back to the beginning of reflashing> Nov 12 18:23:40 not yet Nov 12 18:23:45 can you boot? Nov 12 18:23:49 don't think so Nov 12 18:23:58 Nokia logo comes up for a while, then it turns off Nov 12 18:24:03 flash combined, install backupmenu, restore backup Nov 12 18:24:14 hahaha, your backup is from before cssu Nov 12 18:24:22 yup :( Nov 12 18:24:22 that's why i told you to make another one! Nov 12 18:24:26 *whimper* Nov 12 18:24:28 you fool! Nov 12 18:24:36 you! fool! Nov 12 18:24:56 kerio: did you hook him up with a new keymap yet? Nov 12 18:24:56 well, always look at the bright side of life! you'll get some practice this way Nov 12 18:25:14 yup Nov 12 18:25:17 hahaha, dist-upgrade here wants to install debianutils and remove EVERYTHING ELSE Nov 12 18:25:19 it's all a learning experience Nov 12 18:25:41 I kinda thought something was going wrong when it started spouting removing for EVERY SIGNLE FRACKING PACKAGE Nov 12 18:25:45 cjdavies: Learn to use flasher first, realise how trivial it is and you will be fine. Nov 12 18:25:49 right, combined going back in Nov 12 18:27:14 I once did apt-get dist-upgrade, and lost sound system, had to reflash Nov 12 18:30:14 cjdavies: btw, you know how everybody hates pulseaudio and everyone states that it's a generally awful idea to use it, and that it's buggy and resource-heavy and all that? Nov 12 18:30:33 GUESS WHAT MANAGES THE AUDIO IN YOUR NEW PHONE Nov 12 18:30:35 cjdavies: once you got stuff booted up again, install BM from HAM (enable extras-devel for that), then restore your backup Nov 12 18:32:26 cjdavies: on ~jrtools there's a convenient way to set up extras-devel by one click. Nov 12 18:32:58 * cjdavies read that literally after just typing it in by hand Nov 12 18:33:43 cjdavies: ooh sorry when I was a tad fuzzy Nov 12 18:33:56 cjdavies: open web browser Nov 12 18:34:05 surf to Nov 12 18:34:07 ~jrtools Nov 12 18:34:08 somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 12 18:34:44 DocScrutinizer05: how exactly is CSSU-thumb unsupported compared to another CSSU-favours? Nov 12 18:34:48 click on (or directly surf to, instead) http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Nov 12 18:34:52 *flavors Nov 12 18:34:54 oh here we go again... Nov 12 18:35:01 :) Nov 12 18:35:13 * cjdavies is currently waiting for HAM to be slow Nov 12 18:35:24 naah, I am gettimg sick of doc spreading BS all over the channel Nov 12 18:35:26 cjdavies: no need to wait! Nov 12 18:35:28 freemangordon: AIUI your updates aren't that frequently shiped and meant to go all that flawlessly Nov 12 18:35:30 HAM is slow *right now*! Nov 12 18:35:32 it appears to have lost its catalogues Nov 12 18:35:33 cjdavies: you dont have to wait for that, you can count on that :) Nov 12 18:36:17 freemangordon: I'm getting sick of your offensive speech Nov 12 18:36:51 DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597&postcount=1 Nov 12 18:36:58 CBA Nov 12 18:36:59 read the changelog at the end Nov 12 18:37:24 and compare it with other CSSU colors Nov 12 18:37:34 again CBA Nov 12 18:37:40 *flavours Nov 12 18:38:13 kerio: yeah, thanks Nov 12 18:38:30 My point stands: it's nonsense to suggest a newcomer to install KP and CSSU-thumb on first day Nov 12 18:38:53 why exactly? care to explain? Nov 12 18:39:24 if you don't see the rationale, then that's the best proof why it's nonsrense Nov 12 18:39:48 aah, you don't use them, I see Nov 12 18:40:01 you see a hite Nov 12 18:40:07 shite even Nov 12 18:40:57 CMT flashed successfully Nov 12 18:41:06 and you don't know what I do or don't use Nov 12 18:41:07 first try Nov 12 18:41:11 HA Nov 12 18:41:17 now to install uboot Nov 12 18:41:44 * cjdavies is restoring from the backup Nov 12 18:41:55 what did I do after that... CSSU then bash I think Nov 12 18:42:26 install CSSU-T and do a BM backup after that Nov 12 18:42:27 however, there is still a small problem... Nov 12 18:42:48 (or CSSU-S if you feel better with that) Nov 12 18:42:50 DocScrutinizer05: you know the thing that got me here in the first place? the issue which should have been solved in a different way? my speaker issue? Nov 12 18:42:50 DocScrutinizer05: i think he was on cssu-s Nov 12 18:42:56 I was on stable Nov 12 18:43:00 well... Nov 12 18:43:08 they still don't work Nov 12 18:43:19 unless the phone remembers my settings from before Nov 12 18:43:53 cjdavies: up to you, anyway you can "upgrade" from S to T any time Nov 12 18:44:00 not the other way though Nov 12 18:44:29 oh.. it was just the fact that I had silent on when I made the backupmenu backup :P Nov 12 18:44:39 (optfs still there etc) Nov 12 18:44:41 LOL Nov 12 18:44:43 ... Nov 12 18:44:50 no no, that's not why i restored Nov 12 18:44:58 I didn't have silent on when I restored :P Nov 12 18:45:03 but my backup had it Nov 12 18:45:16 that's how I understood your comment Nov 12 18:45:33 see how good BM restore works? Nov 12 18:46:26 hmm, still no sound Nov 12 18:46:31 let's go and find some music to test Nov 12 18:47:03 :/ Nov 12 18:47:14 cjdavies: what? Nov 12 18:47:15 'operation failed' when I tru to CSSU after restore Nov 12 18:48:00 ok DocScrutinizer05, I'm back from the beginning pretty much Nov 12 18:48:07 Speaker issue still seems present Nov 12 18:48:12 headset work, speakers don't Nov 12 18:48:41 If the speakers are truly broken, I'll use my N900 as a N810, pretty much Nov 12 18:49:04 as N900 doesn't allow me to do calls with headset due to... yes, why? Nov 12 18:49:07 FIQ: play-sound $some-wav Nov 12 18:49:14 i'll try Nov 12 18:49:32 ehm Nov 12 18:49:40 HAM doesn't seem to want to work at all Nov 12 18:49:41 is there any .wav files in n900 somewhere? :D Nov 12 18:49:52 cjdavies: HAM is not likable Nov 12 18:49:56 even ignoring CSSU, if I reboot & then open HAM it says 'operation failed' Nov 12 18:49:58 at all Nov 12 18:50:14 [2012-11-12 19:47:15] 'operation failed' when I tru to CSSU after restore <---sorry, doesn't parse Nov 12 18:50:16 and gives bogus errors every now and then Nov 12 18:50:29 DocScrutinizer05: is there .wav files in n900 somewhere? Nov 12 18:50:33 assuming I haven't downloaded any Nov 12 18:50:44 should Nov 12 18:50:49 where? :D Nov 12 18:51:41 :q Nov 12 18:51:49 /home/opt/usr/share/sounds/game-chess_check.wav Nov 12 18:51:50 yup, HAM seems to be completely fscked here Nov 12 18:52:05 DocScrutinizer05: ty Nov 12 18:52:25 FIQ I had something similar time ago, after dist-upgrade Nov 12 18:52:31 think it might be time to go home & have dinner Nov 12 18:52:37 DocScrutinizer05: Still nothing Nov 12 18:52:40 cjdavies: we can't help you on unknown random rants, we need to understand what you done Nov 12 18:52:47 amospalla: This is a clean rootfs Nov 12 18:53:15 cjdavies: well, we're always here Nov 12 18:53:16 DocScrutinizer05: I restored from my backup using backupmenu, which was to a state just before installing CSSU-s the first time, but the restored state seems to have a non-functional HAM Nov 12 18:53:27 DocScrutinizer05: it says successful in terminal though Nov 12 18:53:32 I'm going to try restoring once again then I'm going to head home & eat something Nov 12 18:53:32 but I heard nothing Nov 12 18:53:55 "vol -0.0000000" Nov 12 18:54:02 sounds like it's playing it silent? Nov 12 18:54:10 cjdavies: seems odd Nov 12 18:54:35 I can't see how restoring a working state via BM would cause HAM to break Nov 12 18:54:51 I don't understand either Nov 12 18:54:54 hence the trying again Nov 12 18:54:58 then the taking a break Nov 12 18:55:28 you're probably better off not restoring but rather redo stuff Nov 12 18:56:08 well in theory the backup should be fine Nov 12 18:56:18 but if HAM still doesn't work I will just start again Nov 12 18:56:32 though HAM allegedly "broken" doesn't sound right. Probably it's just usual slow Nov 12 18:56:46 taking minutes untl screen update Nov 12 18:56:55 cjdavies: it needs some time, give it Nov 12 18:57:26 tbh I never seen a HAM 'broken' any more than usual Nov 12 18:57:42 I shall restore, reboot, then leave it as I walk home Nov 12 18:57:42 LOL, drama on the mailing list still continues Nov 12 18:58:20 hmm, what was the mynokia junk called? Nov 12 18:58:30 i'm going to remove it before inserting my SIM Nov 12 18:58:30 cherry Nov 12 18:58:32 ty Nov 12 18:58:41 right home time, catch you guys later Nov 12 18:59:20 DocScrutinizer05: microUSB is most likely more broken now than before, but it's still not completly broken! Nov 12 18:59:34 so in case i have to go through this madness AGAIN, I can still (theoretically) get a repair Nov 12 19:00:23 also HAM is unusually slow today... Nov 12 19:00:35 oh, there we go, forget what I said Nov 12 19:00:44 FIQ: if your speakers don't work on a virgin *full* flash (combined and vanilla) then you're outa luck - they're broken Nov 12 19:01:26 well, I didn't restore optfs to factory state, but to a state which is very close to factory state (few hours after it) and before they broke Nov 12 19:01:32 and, that's too bad :/ Nov 12 19:01:37 but at least my n900 is usable! Nov 12 19:01:41 that's a GREAT plus Nov 12 19:01:55 I'd still reflash to virgin vanilla Nov 12 19:02:07 restoring to a random state doesn't mean a thing Nov 12 19:02:09 FIQ: yeah, you'd better flash Nov 12 19:02:13 i don't want to do more reflashes than completly neccessary :( Nov 12 19:02:20 even though I get your point Nov 12 19:02:30 FIQ: is there sound when connected vie 3.5 mm jack? Nov 12 19:02:34 yes Nov 12 19:02:36 *via Nov 12 19:02:38 sound works fine Nov 12 19:02:42 from headset Nov 12 19:02:59 hmm, both speakers broken, strange... Nov 12 19:03:01 can still be messed up alsaped-policies Nov 12 19:03:11 freemangordon: yes, I don't understand it Nov 12 19:03:11 I bet on thet Nov 12 19:03:12 not strange Nov 12 19:03:13 *that Nov 12 19:03:17 and I rarely use them... Nov 12 19:03:28 a can of pressurized air could easily do that Nov 12 19:03:29 one day they worked, the another day they didn't Nov 12 19:03:41 s/ano/o/ Nov 12 19:03:42 FIQ meant: one day they worked, the other day they didn't Nov 12 19:04:54 well I can't see any reason that they should break like this.. :p Nov 12 19:05:03 if some weird profile manager messed up your settings, or something nuked your policies fubar, there's no way than reflashing to recover Nov 12 19:05:21 hmmmm Nov 12 19:05:40 but my device boots Nov 12 19:05:41 FIQ: yeah, you'd better reflash, you don;t know what else is broken Nov 12 19:05:49 shouldn't I be able to fix it on device? Nov 12 19:06:07 because I'd rather not mess with my USB more than to make the device bootable Nov 12 19:06:13 (which it is currently) Nov 12 19:06:16 everything is fixable on device, once you tracked down the root culprit Nov 12 19:06:27 if you find when the problem is, yes. But again, you don't know what else is broken Nov 12 19:06:32 *where Nov 12 19:06:43 hm Nov 12 19:06:58 you could start with nuking your ~ Nov 12 19:07:52 since a lot of audio etc settings is stored in there, in hidden dirs Nov 12 19:08:15 mv .* MyDocs/home_backup should be enough then? Nov 12 19:08:32 might work Nov 12 19:08:50 though: no unix file permissions on VFAT Nov 12 19:08:59 yeah I know Nov 12 19:09:10 but I don't have a better place, do I? :p Nov 12 19:09:13 so your "backup" is void Nov 12 19:09:18 hmm I suppose Nov 12 19:09:19 "/opt" Nov 12 19:09:29 mv /home/user /home/user_away Nov 12 19:09:50 don't blame me if you can't boot after that Nov 12 19:10:01 DocScrutinizer05: mydocs is mounted there Nov 12 19:10:07 *blames everything on DocScrutinizer05* Nov 12 19:10:07 indeed Nov 12 19:10:18 FIQ: I have a similar issue on my macbook(Ubuntu). If the jack was plugged and I booted off. Next boot will disable my speakers. I have to reboot with the jack plugged in, then unplug for the speakers to work. Nov 12 19:10:58 (MyDocs mounted) doesn't stop a rename of /home/user though Nov 12 19:11:04 FIQ: btw did you check the volume when on speakers? Nov 12 19:11:11 yes frals Nov 12 19:11:15 just makes system 'miss' MyDocs on next boot Nov 12 19:11:16 *freemangordon Nov 12 19:11:23 ok Nov 12 19:11:57 oh, also, I hope wiping .* doesn't make the device unbootable Nov 12 19:12:03 that wouldn't make any sense for me anyway Nov 12 19:12:07 I might provide a virgin /home/user Nov 12 19:12:11 it's just userland configs after all Nov 12 19:12:42 or not, since there's already my wlan config in there Nov 12 19:12:59 you can always remove them.. :p Nov 12 19:13:27 not really since they're stored in gconf Nov 12 19:14:18 seriously, I suggest full reflash Nov 12 19:14:34 only sane way to tell if device hw is ok or not Nov 12 19:14:40 full reflash is usually always the best way. Nov 12 19:14:52 can I do a vanilla reflash on device? :3 Nov 12 19:15:05 hmm, I already though Nov 12 19:15:06 FIQ: ...nope Nov 12 19:15:07 t Nov 12 19:15:09 about that Nov 12 19:15:16 vi___: :( Nov 12 19:15:26 vi___: sure? Nov 12 19:15:29 vanilla breaks booting IIRC Nov 12 19:15:38 so when I'm done reflashing it Nov 12 19:15:44 i'll have to reflash the er Nov 12 19:15:48 combined thing again Nov 12 19:15:56 don't I? Nov 12 19:15:56 yeah, you'd need to flash COMBINED after VANILLA anyway Nov 12 19:16:18 so I have to play around with my microUSB again? :p Nov 12 19:16:29 and flashing COMBINED can't be done on device Nov 12 19:16:29 at least it still works.. Nov 12 19:16:35 yeah I understand that Nov 12 19:16:47 hmm Nov 12 19:16:57 DocScrutinizer05: can't I do it through this rescue OS thingy? Nov 12 19:17:19 you could, basically, but for rescueOS you also need USB Nov 12 19:17:22 (I don't know what it does, just that there's something called rescueOS) Nov 12 19:17:27 DocScrutinizer05: nah, uboot is enough :3 Nov 12 19:17:28 wat Nov 12 19:17:29 meh Nov 12 19:17:33 oh Nov 12 19:17:34 FIQ: technically not Nov 12 19:17:58 kerio: I can't flash through rescueOS? Then, what does rescue OS do? Nov 12 19:17:58 but seriously do a full reflash, install BM, and then make a backup Nov 12 19:17:59 technically kerio is correct another time Nov 12 19:18:08 ~kerio Nov 12 19:18:09 methinks kerio is [...] kerio is correct [...] Nov 12 19:19:07 FIQ: N900 without USB is a brick on zombie state, live with it Nov 12 19:20:37 hmm Nov 12 19:20:57 FIQ: any honestly, *everybody* capable of soldering two wires together can reinforce N900 USB Nov 12 19:22:11 DocScrutinizer05: but its a nice looking brick! Nov 12 19:22:17 shouldn't be hard to find a willing amateur Nov 12 19:23:19 *fixing* a broken USB however is a completely different adventure Nov 12 19:24:12 just get a softdrink of your choice, 60min of spare time, and read all the way thru Nov 12 19:24:15 ~usbfix Nov 12 19:24:16 usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Nov 12 19:24:47 there are some pretty good photo footages Nov 12 19:25:40 e.g here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1191819&postcount=116 Nov 12 19:30:46 FIQ: I couldn't think of any repair shop refusing this job when you come with your N900 and a printout of that complete photo footage Nov 12 19:31:35 if shops are too stupid to make a $, find some radio club or whatever, amateurs will *love* to help you out Nov 12 19:32:04 just do it *before* it breaks completely Nov 12 19:36:17 ok Nov 12 19:36:19 hmmmm Nov 12 19:41:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 Nov 12 19:41:39 another one (more terse) Nov 12 19:42:06 ok DocScrutinizer05, I can't do this to my microUSB while my device at least works (even though speakers don't), I'll do what you said and try to look for a place which can help me Nov 12 19:42:30 Is that thread really just Estel talking back and forth with himself? Nov 12 19:42:33 and until I've found such, use my N900 as a N810 Nov 12 19:43:01 GeneralAntilles: who knows, who cares Nov 12 19:43:20 It's ending up in my inbox instead of the -community folder for some damn reason. Nov 12 19:45:06 and walk around with 2 phones, one for calling, one for doing everything else :p Nov 12 19:46:14 Oh, and also, the mv .* thing didn't help in case you wonder Nov 12 19:55:05 no shit Nov 12 19:55:13 FIQ: can you boot right now? Nov 12 19:55:50 yes Nov 12 19:56:13 get someone with a working microusb port to reflash, install bootmenu and send you the full backup Nov 12 19:56:25 for instance DocScrutinizer05 Nov 12 19:57:55 http://mlkshk.com/r/EWSV.gif <- imagine the one in the middle is DocScrutinizer and the dollars falling are n900s Nov 12 19:58:09 eh? Nov 12 19:58:43 you surely must love the sulfur cloud that appears when I pop up Nov 12 19:59:04 DocScrutinizer05: he has a bootable system, he only needs tarballs :) Nov 12 19:59:13 lol Nov 12 19:59:18 @ DocScrutinizer05 Nov 12 19:59:59 yay, demonoid is back! Nov 12 20:00:41 Hi DocScrutinizer05 Nov 12 20:00:49 kerio: preferably backups that uses the same kernel :p Nov 12 20:00:51 hi qwazix Nov 12 20:00:54 FIQ: ofc :) Nov 12 20:01:06 Any crisis to avert today? :-) Nov 12 20:01:13 * DocScrutinizer05 busy rading estel drama Nov 12 20:01:19 reading* Nov 12 20:01:26 yes, fix my N900's speaker issue Nov 12 20:01:26 DocScrutinizer05: is there an archive somewhere? Nov 12 20:01:32 of? Nov 12 20:01:33 @ qwazix Nov 12 20:01:42 DocScrutinizer05: of the E*_ drama Nov 12 20:02:02 sure, there must be a bazillion ML-webgateways Nov 12 20:02:15 hm Nov 12 20:02:22 device not yet usable Nov 12 20:02:23 FIQ, tell me Nov 12 20:02:35 (usable = proper sudo, ssh, coreutils, etc) Nov 12 20:02:39 qwazix: do you have a spare N900? Nov 12 20:02:53 qwazix: he has a semi-broken USB and speakers with unclear issues Nov 12 20:02:54 kerio, only one... Nov 12 20:02:58 hm Nov 12 20:03:21 i *could* make a backup and then reflash and do all that jazz Nov 12 20:03:28 but i don't *want* to Nov 12 20:03:32 qwazix: not much we could do beyond what's already been done Nov 12 20:03:57 flashing is possible, but I'd rather not.. don't want to do more than absolutely neccessary, especially not as speakers actually might be hw issue Nov 12 20:04:04 *necessary Nov 12 20:04:24 so I'll go the route DocScrutinizer05 suggested, no matter whether speakers are fixed magically or not Nov 12 20:04:32 DocScrutinizer05: restoring a full backup made right after a pr1.3 reflash is the closest he can get to a mint condition Nov 12 20:04:34 as a N900 with broken USB is kind of crippled Nov 12 20:04:45 kerio: yep Nov 12 20:04:57 but to make that backup you need to install BM Nov 12 20:05:00 kerio: I think I have such backup... Nov 12 20:05:13 And I think it's the one I'm on right now Nov 12 20:05:15 to install BM i'd have to hop a few hoops Nov 12 20:05:18 but i'm not sure about that Nov 12 20:05:24 DocScrutinizer05: just use your 4th n900 Nov 12 20:05:29 Speakers must be cheap to replace aren't they? Nov 12 20:05:54 yep Nov 12 20:06:03 got 4 spare here, for ~6 bucks Nov 12 20:06:22 dunno if those are *still* available Nov 12 20:06:26 should I install backupmenu, restore my optfs (NOT rootfs, preferably) from right after a reflash? Nov 12 20:06:36 I think it's the one I'm on right now, but not sure Nov 12 20:06:42 * qwazix thinks should start stocking replacement N900 parts too despite the lucky streak Nov 12 20:06:46 FIQ: restoring just one is *bad* Nov 12 20:06:52 always restore everything at once Nov 12 20:06:56 hmm Nov 12 20:06:58 Well Nov 12 20:07:04 I have a rootfs after all Nov 12 20:07:11 a BM rootfs and optfs Nov 12 20:07:16 The one that crippled my N900 last time Nov 12 20:07:20 heh Nov 12 20:07:23 check the kernels! Nov 12 20:07:29 FIQ: try "reset to factory defaults" - I seem to have seen such option Nov 12 20:07:44 DocScrutinizer05: i'll check Nov 12 20:07:46 DocScrutinizer05: are we seriously trusting nokia on this? :s Nov 12 20:08:03 what wizardry does that do? Do we know? Does maemo keep a copy of the rootfs somewhere? Nov 12 20:08:06 huh Nov 12 20:08:16 IIRC "Phone" in settings handles more than SIM stuff? Nov 12 20:08:35 like network calc, etc Nov 12 20:08:40 anyways it's unavailable w/o SIM for some weird reason Nov 12 20:09:06 FIQ: nah, it only deals with sim stuff Nov 12 20:09:11 hm ok Nov 12 20:09:15 and with things that are useless without a sim Nov 12 20:09:18 i remember wrong then Nov 12 20:09:18 like the dataplan counters Nov 12 20:09:38 can't seem to find a reset button anywhere in settings Nov 12 20:09:53 FIQ: just restore your backup from the past Nov 12 20:10:01 hmmmm Nov 12 20:10:06 let's see Nov 12 20:10:14 what did I do last reflash Nov 12 20:10:35 installed bash, proper sudo, ssh, bootmenu, backupmenu.. then a backup Nov 12 20:10:42 that means the backup should be in stock kernel Nov 12 20:10:51 FIQ: it's easy to check Nov 12 20:10:57 oh it is? neat Nov 12 20:10:58 how? Nov 12 20:11:01 list the contents of rootfs and see what's the directory inside /lib/modules Nov 12 20:11:38 ehm Nov 12 20:11:44 what's BM backups named? Nov 12 20:11:47 and where are they? Nov 12 20:12:17 settings menu Nov 12 20:12:29 "restore default config" Nov 12 20:12:49 yes I see it Nov 12 20:12:50 afaik it restores a default ~user/ Nov 12 20:13:19 uh Nov 12 20:13:25 it needs some kind of code... Nov 12 20:13:32 * FIQ has no idea what it is Nov 12 20:14:11 what's N900's "lock code"? :p Nov 12 20:14:14 default, that is Nov 12 20:14:36 i haven't changed it so... never knew it existed Nov 12 20:14:58 ah Nov 12 20:15:01 12345 Nov 12 20:15:02 i think its 54321 or 12345 Nov 12 20:15:06 bah :P Nov 12 20:15:27 ??? Nov 12 20:15:33 it completly contradicted itself Nov 12 20:15:53 it said it would disable everything (just like a sysupdate does) but instead it just rebooted Nov 12 20:16:31 yeah, it kind of resetted Nov 12 20:16:47 seems that jolla device will be omap3/4 Nov 12 20:16:48 http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=134729260104816&w=2 Nov 12 20:17:03 wasn't it supposed to be announced next week? Nov 12 20:17:38 why do we need a watchdog? :( Nov 12 20:17:53 there's an "Empty device" too Nov 12 20:18:02 guess it resets the mydocs partition or something like that Nov 12 20:18:03 Pali: LOL. So if it has HW keyboard we can port Maemo on it. Great :P Nov 12 20:18:05 2012-09-10 somebody from @jollamobile.com sent patch for twl4030_wdt watchdog driver which is for omap3/4 Nov 12 20:18:09 wat Nov 12 20:18:15 hardware keyboard, and it runs meego? Nov 12 20:18:28 if I was Jolla, I would totally put in some patches for MCA architecture PPC machines. Nov 12 20:18:32 sounds as a possible successor to my current phone Nov 12 20:18:53 FIQ: ever used capacitive screen? Nov 12 20:19:01 twl4030 is the powermanagment chip in the n900 Nov 12 20:19:02 yeah, they're very annoying Nov 12 20:19:06 btw, see date! from september Nov 12 20:19:14 but the two major things for me is keyboard and proper OS Nov 12 20:19:17 it's possible they are using the n900 as a dev platform Nov 12 20:19:37 resistive touch screen is the third thing that I want, but it's possible to skip for me Nov 12 20:19:37 SpeedEvil, where they got needed HW? Nov 12 20:19:56 nokia not creating new n900 hw Nov 12 20:20:00 n900s Nov 12 20:20:07 no, I don't mean new Nov 12 20:20:12 Pali: a company here still sells new N900s :D Nov 12 20:20:19 so they're definitely still around Nov 12 20:20:33 FIQ, new N900? Nov 12 20:20:35 where? Nov 12 20:20:37 yes Nov 12 20:20:38 sec Nov 12 20:20:39 whereß Nov 12 20:20:44 ?? Nov 12 20:20:48 swedish site though Nov 12 20:20:55 and oplocked Nov 12 20:20:57 but available Nov 12 20:20:58 http://www.phonehouse.se/Mobiltelefoner/Nokia/Nokia-N900-Trelast Nov 12 20:21:01 not selling EU wide I guess Nov 12 20:21:19 so they *are* around, but I guess they're few Nov 12 20:21:24 can you convert that price 5499 to $ or € ? Nov 12 20:21:25 I vaguely recall the twl4030 is only used for the omap as found in the n900. Nov 12 20:21:30 Pali: 640 Nov 12 20:21:33 € Nov 12 20:21:41 the fastest speed grade is720MHz Nov 12 20:21:43 it's very high, but that's the launch price Nov 12 20:21:56 still don't get why they sell for launch price... Nov 12 20:22:05 640€? you are funny :-) Nov 12 20:22:09 but, it's there :P Nov 12 20:22:23 my point wasn't that it's worth it, my point was that new N900s are still around :P Nov 12 20:22:32 I guess it will stay there, at that pricetag Nov 12 20:22:50 also Pali I paid 640€ for my N900 2½ years ago Nov 12 20:22:58 FIQ: nobody ever tested that offer during last 2 years ;-P Nov 12 20:23:05 haha Nov 12 20:23:22 FIQ: prolly a stale webpage Nov 12 20:23:33 other interesting patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/5/226 Nov 12 20:23:41 musb from @jollamobile.com Nov 12 20:24:34 DocScrutinizer05: I still don't get why they sell N900s.. :p Nov 12 20:24:36 seems that dev device is really ti omap Nov 12 20:24:45 They sell new phones, plus N900 Nov 12 20:25:03 FIQ: I have problems with >> Lagerstatus web: svart<< and >>Få i lager<< and >>Ej i lager<< Nov 12 20:25:05 Pali: what were the options? Nov 12 20:25:19 DocScrutinizer05: it's available on the web, but there's few left Nov 12 20:25:23 Pali: that's good. Against what kernel version are patches? Nov 12 20:25:32 and unavailable in shops Nov 12 20:25:34 2.6.32? Nov 12 20:25:35 mainline of cource Nov 12 20:25:42 (non-web shops, that is) Nov 12 20:25:50 3.7 we have now? Nov 12 20:25:51 Pali: mainline as omap? Nov 12 20:25:59 against 3.7? Nov 12 20:26:02 lol Nov 12 20:26:07 there is only one mainline Nov 12 20:26:20 no more omap branch? Nov 12 20:26:24 omap tree is merged into mailine too Nov 12 20:26:33 ok, you are the upstream kernel dev here :P Nov 12 20:26:39 DocScrutinizer05: "Stock status web (black) - Few in stock" Nov 12 20:26:42 I think for a long time Nov 12 20:26:48 is what that means pretty much Nov 12 20:26:48 you'll hardly find *any* embedded device running proper on mainline Nov 12 20:27:03 ok, didn't check for a long time Nov 12 20:27:15 there is another musb patch from jolla: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/4/338 Nov 12 20:27:18 DocScrutinizer05: sheevaplug Nov 12 20:27:28 ...fix an issue where the omap2430 musb driver is not working for N9/N950... Nov 12 20:27:45 so they using N9/N950 for development Nov 12 20:27:45 DocScrutinizer05: and the second line is "Stock status in shop (black) - Not in stock" Nov 12 20:27:47 the WUT? Nov 12 20:27:52 afk Nov 12 20:27:54 omap2430?? Nov 12 20:27:55 Pali: well, that's expected Nov 12 20:28:11 DocScrutinizer05, yes Nov 12 20:28:13 DocScrutinizer05: the diver name is that Nov 12 20:28:18 *driver Nov 12 20:28:22 omap2430 is for omap2 and omap3 Nov 12 20:28:38 isn't there an omap4 yet? Nov 12 20:28:46 yes Nov 12 20:28:46 there is Nov 12 20:28:51 so? Nov 12 20:29:03 given the abominations I've seen in omap3430 musb_hdrc driver... hardly Nov 12 20:29:24 oh ok, maybe jolla will use that Nov 12 20:30:24 well, lets hope jolla os is better than harm, though I doubt Nov 12 20:30:46 harmageddon Nov 12 20:31:02 maybe they'll release something that will be the proper successor to the n900! Nov 12 20:31:02 I don't believe the same guys will produce something drastically different Nov 12 20:31:05 and it's going to be awesome! Nov 12 20:31:41 kerio: they already produced N900 successor, mind you Nov 12 20:32:05 and anything they're going to produce now is likely a successor of N9 Nov 12 20:32:20 DocScrutinizer05: you mean n950? Nov 12 20:32:44 the n900 successor that is Nov 12 20:32:52 DocScrutinizer05: that locked-down piece of crap? nope Nov 12 20:33:20 kerio: that locked down piece of crap is what Nokia aka maemo-devision came up with Nov 12 20:34:11 DocScrutinizer05: if n950 is jollas vision of n900 replacement... I am speachless Nov 12 20:34:12 you honestly expect them to step back from what they already achieved (though I admit a lot of Nokias were unhappy about Aegis as well) Nov 12 20:34:44 who invented aegis? Nov 12 20:34:55 basically Nokia Nov 12 20:35:05 meego devs? nokia managers? Nov 12 20:35:07 though, some contractor Nov 12 20:35:12 DocScrutinizer05: they could rerelease the n900 with better specs and i'd buy it on day one Nov 12 20:35:31 kerio: we discussed that several times Nov 12 20:36:30 but they could release something with a OMAP4630 or sth, and place fremantle++ on it, given somebody was smart enough to keep his private copy of the sources Nov 12 20:37:28 but that would mean they outright admit that all this QML stuff was a deadend idea Nov 12 20:38:03 it fucking is! Nov 12 20:38:09 my last info however been "we're using mer", and then "we switch to tizen" Nov 12 20:38:36 hm Nov 12 20:38:47 i thought they were still using mer as the core Nov 12 20:38:48 now to use the abomimation called hildon-application-manager Nov 12 20:38:55 to download BM Nov 12 20:39:02 and hopefully fix this speaker thing Nov 12 20:39:05 ...hopefully Nov 12 20:39:06 Pali: ask SpeedEvil, he knows more about history of aegis than I do Nov 12 20:39:22 SpeedEvil: seems it's been 'in the pipe" since diablo times Nov 12 20:39:25 woot Nov 12 20:39:35 it didn't update after pressing a button :O Nov 12 20:39:52 oh right... BM is in -devel, isn't it? Nov 12 20:39:58 yep Nov 12 20:40:01 indeed. it was mentioned way back at launch of n900 times Nov 12 20:40:02 :( Nov 12 20:40:04 oh well Nov 12 20:40:12 and HAM takes a 5min memoriam timeout Nov 12 20:40:25 hm Nov 12 20:40:28 ~extras-devel Nov 12 20:40:29 literally 5min Nov 12 20:40:39 you killed infobot? Nov 12 20:40:51 ~listkey extras-devel Nov 12 20:40:55 infobot died Nov 12 20:40:56 ~listkeys extras-devel Nov 12 20:41:09 umm Nov 12 20:41:15 she died at 20:38 :P Nov 12 20:41:18 aegis would be generally OK, and probably a good thing with the ability to add 'store' credentials. Nov 12 20:41:22 [21:38:36] * infobot har avslutat (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Nov 12 20:41:34 yeah 20:38 Nov 12 20:41:37 my clock is wrong Nov 12 20:41:42 ...even in my own timezone, that is Nov 12 20:41:43 not controlled by Nokia Nov 12 20:42:23 also if someone makes a device that comes with fremantle, but has better specs, I'll buy it for sure Nov 12 20:42:29 ...if it also has a hardware keyboard Nov 12 20:42:34 infobot down Nov 12 20:42:42 tim online ;-) Nov 12 20:42:56 (means usually he's messing with the bot) Nov 12 20:43:59 now to wait for a while before HAM is done with its' update of devel Nov 12 20:44:07 hopefully less than half a hour Nov 12 20:45:14 ok, while I don't like graphical frontends of package managers, HAM is like as the devs of it attempted to do everything in their power to mess it up in some ways but still leave it usable Nov 12 20:45:30 (no offense in case anyone lurks here :) ) Nov 12 20:45:47 umm Nov 12 20:45:56 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Nov 12 20:45:57 ok, why did HAM empty the package list... Nov 12 20:46:12 she's alive yay Nov 12 20:46:13 oh, the progressbar just disappeared... Nov 12 20:47:00 FIQ: chill! it takes AGES! Nov 12 20:47:09 I've noticed Nov 12 20:47:12 particularly with extras-devel enabled Nov 12 20:47:23 literally 5..7min Nov 12 20:48:17 ~ham Nov 12 20:48:17 well, ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. Nov 12 20:48:32 ~ham is also slow Nov 12 20:48:32 okay, FIQ Nov 12 20:48:42 hm Nov 12 20:48:45 did I mess something up? Nov 12 20:48:47 ~ham Nov 12 20:48:47 it has been said that ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. slow Nov 12 20:48:53 mabe Nov 12 20:48:55 *maybe Nov 12 20:49:46 BM installed Nov 12 20:49:52 and root console still doesn't work properly Nov 12 20:49:54 w/e Nov 12 20:49:59 oh well, time to restore stuff Nov 12 20:50:04 hopefully flawless this time Nov 12 20:50:15 infobot: no, ham is oink oink. Ham is also lovely with pickle. Nov 12 20:50:15 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Nov 12 20:50:30 ~ham Nov 12 20:50:30 ham is probably oink oink. Ham is also lovely with pickle. Nov 12 20:50:59 ~#maemo HAM is Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does Nov 12 20:50:59 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Nov 12 20:51:15 ~ham Nov 12 20:51:15 hmm... ham is Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does Nov 12 20:51:18 Pali: hmm, PR1.3 for n950? Nov 12 20:51:44 freemangoron, yes unofficial, leaked Nov 12 20:51:54 ~_default ham Nov 12 20:51:54 now it's time to do the update... Nov 12 20:51:55 well, ham is oink oink. Ham is also lovely with pickle. Nov 12 20:51:55 link/torrent? Nov 12 20:52:01 Pali: ^^^ Nov 12 20:52:07 please BM, don't make the device unbootable this time Nov 12 20:52:31 search on google for n950 pr1.3 torrent Nov 12 20:52:38 Pali: well, everything on n950 is unofficial :D Nov 12 20:52:41 ok Nov 12 20:52:42 oh god you are kidding me, aren't you Nov 12 20:52:48 it still complains on timestamp :) Nov 12 20:52:48 FIQ: please make sure your kernel matches modules in backup Nov 12 20:52:55 oh well, rob said it shouldn't make any difference! Nov 12 20:52:58 DocScrutinizer05: it does Nov 12 20:53:14 so the only thing that can go wrong now is timestamp issue, but it shouldn't Nov 12 20:53:39 FIQ: timestamp are just warnings Nov 12 20:53:49 guess I didn't set date, but did set time, and that's why it show up... whatever Nov 12 20:53:54 DocScrutinizer05: ok Nov 12 20:53:59 FIQ: though you oughta have set your sysclock correctly Nov 12 20:54:03 freemangordon: it's on tpb ;) Nov 12 20:54:14 DocScrutinizer05: can it mess up stuff? Nov 12 20:54:18 not having it set correctly, that is Nov 12 20:54:20 not really Nov 12 20:54:44 except GPS, until corrected Nov 12 20:54:57 because, as I'm battery swapping a bit atm as my other bettery seems to not work properly (it had problems before this madness too) so I don't bother set sysclock Nov 12 20:55:44 while it might confuse *you*, it shouldn't have severe impact on *system* Nov 12 20:55:58 ok good Nov 12 20:56:10 as mentioned afore, the tar warnings are just that Nov 12 20:56:30 sudo doesn't like sysclock mess-up either :p Nov 12 20:56:40 really? how so? Nov 12 20:56:47 as I've encountered every now and then when setting time on my computer Nov 12 20:56:58 umm Nov 12 20:57:01 DocScrutinizer05: it autotimeouts (obvious), but also shows the initial warning once again Nov 12 20:57:13 hmm, fair enough Nov 12 20:58:10 messing with sysclock can upset some subsystems of a *nix system. Having a wrong time though usually can't Nov 12 20:58:24 merlin1991: yeah, downloading Nov 12 20:58:37 ntpd will refuse to sync to any outside startum, when timeskew too large Nov 12 20:59:49 DocScrutinizer05: as I configured how sysclock should be used on this computer wrong (and haven't bothered fixing it), every time I start windows, there's a possibility of it messing up my clock completly, resulting in ntpd not working Nov 12 20:59:59 therefore I have to manually set time approx, and then run ntpd :p Nov 12 21:00:09 (and then sudo complains on me) Nov 12 21:00:26 restore complete Nov 12 21:00:34 good luck Nov 12 21:00:35 whatever you did backupmenu, please tell me that you did things right Nov 12 21:01:04 boot.. boot.. please Nov 12 21:01:13 woo, it boots :D Nov 12 21:01:24 now to see if sound is fixed Nov 12 21:02:12 settings -> system-sounds:3 Nov 12 21:02:17 plug in charger Nov 12 21:02:24 "plug in charger" Nov 12 21:02:56 ooh I see Nov 12 21:03:24 aanyway Nov 12 21:03:27 sound set to max Nov 12 21:03:34 unmute Nov 12 21:03:43 make sure you're on profile:default Nov 12 21:03:49 i am Nov 12 21:04:00 actually I wasn't on boot, but I fixed that :p Nov 12 21:04:05 check volume settings in profile Nov 12 21:04:19 set everything up to max Nov 12 21:04:26 looks like that's already the case Nov 12 21:04:30 system sounds, kbd click, whatnot else Nov 12 21:04:35 redo it Nov 12 21:04:56 touch each volume setting Nov 12 21:04:56 btw who is maemo mailinglist admin? Nov 12 21:04:59 set everything to max, set system sounds, keysound and everything else Nov 12 21:05:03 good question Nov 12 21:05:07 X-Fade: ? Nov 12 21:05:15 seems to do nothing Nov 12 21:05:18 I'd like to see option for refusing html only messages Nov 12 21:05:22 nothing at all Nov 12 21:05:41 and this is pretty much factory settings Nov 12 21:05:55 FIQ: actually selecting a new ringtone already should play the new ringtone before you even clicked "OK" Nov 12 21:05:59 and, sound worked on this when I made the backup :p Nov 12 21:06:00 yeah Nov 12 21:06:02 I know that Nov 12 21:06:04 tried it Nov 12 21:06:05 no sound Nov 12 21:06:12 I really HATE if somebody sent big HTML message to mailinglist!!! Nov 12 21:06:12 then your hw is defect Nov 12 21:06:14 wait, I'll try with headset just to see Nov 12 21:06:31 yeah, there's sound then Nov 12 21:06:37 so it's the hw Nov 12 21:07:08 does the headset icon show up when plugged in and vanish when unplugged? Nov 12 21:07:12 yes Nov 12 21:07:28 then speakers or amp are defect I'd guess Nov 12 21:07:53 hmm, is there a way to make you able to listen on calls with headset? Nov 12 21:08:06 I *very rarely* call/take calls, so I haven't messed around with settings for that Nov 12 21:08:08 works OOTB Nov 12 21:08:17 but my experience is that it doesn't work Nov 12 21:08:33 first at all, ringtune plays on speaker (assuming they work), and calls are all through speaker Nov 12 21:08:45 s/first at all, // Nov 12 21:08:46 FIQ meant: ringtune plays on speaker (assuming they work), and calls are all through speaker Nov 12 21:08:57 never fiddled around with it too much Nov 12 21:09:12 but I'm considering whether to use this as primary phone, or a N810 in terms of phone functionality Nov 12 21:12:17 ok, so my issue is hw, I guess I can go and find a repair shop to fix a) usb, b) speakers Nov 12 21:12:28 or, try to, at least Nov 12 21:12:55 ...assuming they aren't completly easy to replace even w/o experience? Nov 12 21:12:59 @ DocScrutinizer05 Nov 12 21:14:32 until then, I'll use N900 as a N810 Nov 12 21:17:12 DocScrutinizer05, mailinglist admin is ferenc Nov 12 21:19:25 FIQ: speakers are fairly simple to replace Nov 12 21:19:51 hardly anything simpler to be found Nov 12 21:20:06 you mean even I could do it? Nov 12 21:20:10 yes Nov 12 21:20:20 I have sight problems and major problems with small details Nov 12 21:20:36 hmm, then maybe you have problems to remove screw Nov 12 21:20:37 still possible? :p Nov 12 21:21:29 "maybe" well, I suppose it's worth a try, either for myself or requesting someone in my family that do see good for help :p Nov 12 21:21:36 if it's that easy Nov 12 21:21:41 ...can you mess up something? Nov 12 21:22:00 take care of flat cable between screen and kbd half Nov 12 21:22:02 FIQ: no but the flat ribbon cable can be a bit fiddly to get back together. Nov 12 21:22:04 (assuming you don't do idiotic stuff like hammering the internal or anything like that) Nov 12 21:22:29 cd .. Nov 12 21:22:32 vi___: hmm I don't know anything about it Nov 12 21:22:32 dpkf -l Nov 12 21:22:48 the ribbon thingy, that is Nov 12 21:23:30 vi___: EWIN Nov 12 21:25:49 FIQ: get Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf in docs/ in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/ Nov 12 21:26:11 "hidden" Nov 12 21:26:30 not found Nov 12 21:26:31 in docs/hw/ actually Nov 12 21:26:42 ah Nov 12 21:26:58 that one existed Nov 12 21:27:30 any particular reason that you didn't direct link it? :D Nov 12 21:27:53 (no, i'm not lazy! what do you get that from?) Nov 12 21:27:54 sure, since this chan is logged Nov 12 21:28:20 so web spiders would eventually pick up the URL Nov 12 21:28:42 ok Nov 12 21:28:46 lol Nov 12 21:28:52 *directlinks it* Nov 12 21:29:11 it'll vanish as soon as you do Nov 12 21:29:40 damn all this talk about the n900 almost makes me wana take my thumb out and reattach my usb :D Nov 12 21:29:58 Cor-Ai: no microUSB? Nov 12 21:30:56 FIQ: nope, got stuck on the charger in -11 i think :P Nov 12 21:31:05 welcome to my world Nov 12 21:31:19 FIQ: in L1_2 in pic17 the silver thing under blue stylus tip is one of the speakers Nov 12 21:32:49 in pic18 next to green arrow is the other one Nov 12 21:34:11 the silver square.. thingy? Nov 12 21:34:21 afaik you can carefully pry them out of the plastic case Nov 12 21:34:23 right to the green arrow @ pic18 Nov 12 21:34:24 yep Nov 12 21:34:29 hmm ok Nov 12 21:34:37 i have this logged now, ty Nov 12 21:34:42 yw Nov 12 21:37:25 FIQ: the flat plastic cable is shown in pic7 Nov 12 21:37:53 they call it MAIN FLEX CONNECTOR Nov 12 21:39:09 you shouldn't worry too much about the "dispose screws and use new ones" though it would be nice if you could follow this advice Nov 12 21:39:32 anyway use proper tools Nov 12 21:39:49 otherwise you for sure will ruin the screws Nov 12 21:41:29 I.E use a decent Phillips 00 size screwdriver, and a Torx+ T6 Nov 12 21:42:19 instead of this blue stylus thingie you usually cna use fingernails or a credit card Nov 12 21:42:39 plectrum Nov 12 21:42:56 andthing flat and not sharp Nov 12 21:43:01 any* Nov 12 21:43:16 Nails aren't sharp? Nov 12 21:43:21 Must be difficult building houses in your country! Nov 12 21:43:57 nails? who talked about nails? Nov 12 21:45:04 My eagerness to make a joke made my brain skip the 'finger' part of 'fingernails' Nov 12 21:45:23 I am dying of shame at the moment Nov 12 23:52:55 GeneralAntilles: I need some more of them pills, please Nov 12 23:53:08 Hehe Nov 12 23:53:10 What now? Nov 12 23:54:15 lost my sense of humour somewhere between e*_ drama, trolls on IRC, flu, and CSSU Nov 12 23:55:27 though probably nobody else ever seen it, I'm missing my sense of humor a lot :-/ Nov 12 23:55:51 Haha Nov 12 23:55:53 Take a break. Nov 12 23:57:04 to come back in 2 weeks to notice they still haven't managed to add me to council@maemo.org? MEH! Nov 12 23:57:26 while requesting I should organize sysadm team Nov 12 23:57:29 TZZZ! Nov 12 23:58:16 we still haven't even a *date* to appoint chair Nov 12 23:59:06 and metalist traceur is MIA Nov 12 23:59:18 screwit Nov 12 23:59:38 I honestly wonder why and for whom I'm doing all this Nov 13 00:02:32 First and foremost you have to do it for yourself Nov 13 00:02:41 Because you're invested in the community. Nov 13 00:04:03 Hmm, I can't seem to calibrate my PolarCell battery. It switches off around 3340mAh every time, way before EDV1 is set to 1 Nov 13 00:05:14 kolp: try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh Nov 13 00:05:40 kerio: you need to stop BME. Nov 13 00:05:42 oh Nov 13 00:05:46 btw 3340mAh sounds odd Nov 13 00:05:50 kolp: Nov 13 00:05:53 DocScrutinizer05: Will do, thanks Nov 13 00:05:54 indeed Nov 13 00:06:04 either you meant mV Nov 13 00:06:11 unless it's massive Nov 13 00:06:16 or your bq27200 is seriously decalibrated Nov 13 00:06:16 or that Nov 13 00:06:20 It was around that when I last looked at the screen. A few seconds later it died Nov 13 00:06:37 Errm, mV Nov 13 00:06:41 IIRC it was 3040 that it its down at Nov 13 00:06:42 * kolp hides Nov 13 00:07:12 shutsmdown Nov 13 00:07:13 3248, I think Nov 13 00:07:29 oh, that rings a bell Nov 13 00:08:27 0x78: 150 SEDV1 Scaled EDV1 Threshold R/W Nov 13 00:08:28 +0x100)*8 = 3248 mV (@ 6.25%) Nov 13 00:10:16 kolp: but yes, as SpeedEvil already said, it's basically all about `stop bme` Nov 13 00:10:48 it will rarely, at least on some devices calibrate with bme awake Nov 13 00:10:49 Yes, I'm reading that script atm Nov 13 00:10:58 but it's rare Nov 13 00:11:15 depends on rate of discharge, and battery age Nov 13 00:13:58 Ok, thanks, I'll keep it running over night Nov 13 00:18:58 fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde --- MYYY Nov 13 00:19:01 AAAAAS Nov 13 00:19:45 if I wasn't such a nice polize person, I'd say any ban is deserved for the nick/addr alone Nov 13 00:20:11 polite* Nov 13 00:20:55 usually I'd nuke my spam assassin for not filtering such "from:" Nov 13 00:24:22 * RST38h yawns, moos Nov 13 00:24:32 moos back Nov 13 00:28:31 anybody with a linguistic background here? could you do a correlation in speech used (like words, grammar, typos etc) between "fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde" and "twilight312" ? Nov 13 00:29:16 I guess there are tools for that, just I don't know nor have them Nov 13 00:29:34 god damn, the mailing list is /toxic/ Nov 13 00:29:39 indeed Nov 13 00:29:42 Hurrian: :nod: Nov 13 00:29:46 that's why I feel so sick Nov 13 00:29:59 I mean seriously, a member getting banned and posts pulled? Nov 13 00:30:21 That affects way more than the dramatists. Important info may have been pulled. Nov 13 00:30:37 This kills the community. Nov 13 00:30:49 if the member has such a nick, and acts like astel, swears like estel, and uses same IP as estel, then... yes, banned and posts revoked Nov 13 00:31:17 Letsee? I remember misterc was the one complaining though. Nov 13 00:31:48 In any case, I don't want anything to do with any of it. Nov 13 00:31:52 [2012-11-13 01:18:58] fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde --- MYYY AAAAAS if I wasn't such a nice polize person, I'd say any ban is deserved for the nick/addr alone Nov 13 00:31:53 It's all nasty. Nov 13 00:33:38 I see manly one single person killing community, in name of nobody else killing community, since this community of idiots... err nope he actually didn't say that Nov 13 00:33:46 mainly* Nov 13 00:33:58 God damn, this isn't the time for drama. We're edging ever closer to 12/31, and the house of cards is falling down. Nov 13 00:34:18 Which mailing list is that? Nov 13 00:34:23 of course wiki is down when you need it :p Nov 13 00:34:32 reboot, i want ttf-dejavu Nov 13 00:34:34 yeah, while said person is bitchng about everybody trying to do his work Nov 13 00:34:35 kolp, the maemo.org mailing list Nov 13 00:34:41 * cjdavies has successfully dismantled & cleaned his N900, reflashed, rooted, CCSU'd, bash'd & backed up :) Nov 13 00:34:59 only slight mishap was mangling one of the screws so I couldn't properly dismantle the screen Nov 13 00:35:05 (& never will be able to do so in the future) Nov 13 00:35:07 ah well Nov 13 00:35:19 cjdavies: you make my day Nov 13 00:35:25 :-) Nov 13 00:35:27 DocScrutinizer05: <3 Nov 13 00:36:12 got a bit of a fright when I actually tested it with a SIM, as soon as it booted it rang Nov 13 00:36:22 kinda Matrix style, where he gets the phone in the envelope Nov 13 00:36:27 y'see I don't get many calls Nov 13 00:36:34 lol :P Nov 13 00:37:02 phew, now I can actually read text on xchat Nov 13 00:37:15 * FIQ doesn't like the default monospace font at all Nov 13 00:37:25 cjdavies, stripped the head? Nov 13 00:37:33 Hurrian: yup :( Nov 13 00:37:50 they were in there with a ridiculous amount of torque for such small/weak heads Nov 13 00:37:59 almost seems like they never intended them to be taken out Nov 13 00:38:08 I can always drill it out if needs be Nov 13 00:38:20 FIQ: maybe you like my settings then: (dafaq!!! maemo.org wiki has a problem) Nov 13 00:38:44 should really take care of microusb issue, preferably before next mandatory reflash Nov 13 00:38:56 (if there is one incoming, that is) Nov 13 00:39:32 but until then.. usable n900! Nov 13 00:39:38 right, now I can get down to the important stuff - like changing the wallpaper! Nov 13 00:39:52 lol Nov 13 00:39:59 :P Nov 13 00:40:13 I switched to a blank wallpaper on desktop Nov 13 00:40:22 as I don't use it at all Nov 13 00:40:29 cjdavies: a kind advice, stay away from leet stuff like live wallpapers, weird desktop widgets and the like Nov 13 00:40:38 and possibly don't use skype Nov 13 00:40:56 DocScrutinizer05: you're talking to a guy who uses a tiling WM on most of his desktops/laptops ;) Nov 13 00:41:17 I only use Skype on my Nexus 7, I don't trust it on any of my other machines unless running in a chroot/VM Nov 13 00:41:34 reasonable approach Nov 13 00:42:00 FIQ, you still reflash with flasher? ;) Nov 13 00:42:22 Backupmenu or RescueOS rootfs reloads are the way to go. Nov 13 00:42:39 Hurrian: I.. I... Nov 13 00:42:49 I had backupmenu ._. Nov 13 00:43:14 Do you have U-Boot? Nov 13 00:43:17 i was stuck on a galaxy gio when I didn't have a functioning n900 (well, still have to use it for calls but not otherwise), while it technically had same (even better) specs as n900, it lagged hundred times more Nov 13 00:43:26 You gotta have u-boot. Nov 13 00:43:37 and it didn't have a keyboard :( Nov 13 00:43:48 Hurrian: yeah I figured out Nov 13 00:44:19 So, this thing is a resistive touchscreen right? Do people actually use a stylus, or get by with fingernail, or actually attempt to use fingers? Nov 13 00:44:21 Hurrian: suggesting uBoot to a guy with a N900 with broken USB is kinda like suggesting freeclimbing to the lame Nov 13 00:44:24 mine didn't come with a stylus :( Nov 13 00:44:40 :p Nov 13 00:44:40 makes me think back to my PalmOS days Nov 13 00:44:50 cjdavies: I have a stylus Nov 13 00:44:57 But I don't use it Nov 13 00:45:22 If you lived nearby I would honestly just give mine to you, but well.. you don't :P Nov 13 00:45:28 cjdavies: usually fingernail Nov 13 00:45:39 I don't live where my IP is btw ;) Nov 13 00:45:46 that's what I use Nov 13 00:45:54 fingernails ftw Nov 13 00:45:58 DocScrutinizer05, not really, at least you can load kernels before any Maemo parts run ;) Nov 13 00:46:33 cjdavies, untrimmed fingernails work, the screen's not a terrible resistive screen. Nov 13 00:46:33 Hurrian: I'm very lucky that my n900 currently works *at all* Nov 13 00:46:40 Hurrian: yeah, but when odds come to bad luck, you're doomed Nov 13 00:47:03 and we've seen 95% of reflashes caused by multiboot and uboot Nov 13 00:47:07 DocScrutinizer05, such as flasher --local causing kernel panic and bricking device again Nov 13 00:47:20 think I might buy a stylus on ebay for 99p anyway, just to keep fluff out the hole... Nov 13 00:47:35 somebody please tell me that the default ringtones include one that just goes 'ring ring'? Nov 13 00:47:49 It was unbootable until today as I searched people willing to help me fix usb and didn't find any and pretty much gave up Nov 13 00:48:01 cjdavies: yes Nov 13 00:48:13 just gave the usb a last effort for a reflash before searching a replacement, and... it just worked Nov 13 00:48:33 i was very surprised Nov 13 00:48:46 ah, 'Low' appears to be what I want Nov 13 00:49:10 Then people told me to flash vanilla once I had a bootable device to maybe solve an unrelated issue, to make it unbootable again :D Nov 13 00:49:57 Gave it a try, and got enumerate errors so I decided to not play around with it anymore and just restore an old backup instead :p Nov 13 00:50:03 FIQ: best start to try uBoot to make it unbootable yet again Nov 13 00:50:30 DocScrutinizer05: tat would make my day for sure Nov 13 00:50:34 *that Nov 13 00:50:40 I'd bet on that Nov 13 00:51:22 i have backupmenu, and I'll try not to restore stuff to wrong kernel Nov 13 00:51:36 If I keep that going, it'll be fine... probably Nov 13 00:51:58 yeah, just keep an eye on your kernels Nov 13 00:52:24 and maybe every now and then check fleabay, for a spare N900 ;-) Nov 13 00:52:34 :p Nov 13 00:53:15 hmmm not having SIM means a nicer battery life Nov 13 00:53:19 always nice I guess Nov 13 00:53:36 not by much Nov 13 00:53:46 speaking of SIM, might actually put mine in again Nov 13 00:53:47 well Nov 13 00:53:50 my N900 without SIM last some 5 days minimum Nov 13 00:53:54 wifi vs 3g basically Nov 13 00:54:14 WiFi uses slightly more, in good conditions Nov 13 00:54:18 idle Nov 13 00:54:20 just having sim but not internet connection doesn't drain significantly i guess Nov 13 00:54:22 FIQ, since moving my SIM to N9, N900 lasts for 2 weeks on year old stock battery Nov 13 00:54:39 Hurrian: sounds nice :p Nov 13 00:54:43 SpeedEvil: just that 'idle' is a rarely seen condition on N900 Nov 13 00:54:59 hm Nov 13 00:55:17 forgot to remove mynokia stuff, guess it doesn't matter w/o sim Nov 13 00:55:26 2 weeks, that's true idle Nov 13 00:55:40 5 days is with wlan and IRC Nov 13 00:55:59 DocScrutinizer05: usually my battery last for 3h or something Nov 13 00:56:04 18h is with 2G and IRC Nov 13 00:56:28 unless I brought both my batteries fully charged, I couldn't really count on having it working all day Nov 13 00:57:11 btw s/18/6...18/ Nov 13 00:57:20 hmm, battery is running low, guess i'll get confirmation on my other battery's condition soon Nov 13 00:57:32 (my phone simply didn't boot at all with it earlier) Nov 13 00:57:57 is it normal to have to reset the time/date when the battery is removed? Nov 13 00:58:07 cjdavies: yes Nov 13 00:58:14 not exactly normal, but usual Nov 13 00:58:21 but if you swap them fast, you can avoid it :D Nov 13 00:58:31 I usually do but fail occasionally Nov 13 00:58:32 99% of devices have broken backup battery Nov 13 00:58:41 DocScrutinizer05, that's 2 weeks with the white LED breathing on and off ;) Nov 13 00:58:45 there's a backup battery? Nov 13 00:58:54 Hurrian: yep Nov 13 00:58:58 I saw a backup battery inside Nov 13 00:59:00 TIL Nov 13 00:59:00 FIQ: yep Nov 13 00:59:00 FIQ, it's the clock battery Nov 13 00:59:01 when I was dismantling Nov 13 00:59:22 Nokia should have probably put a capacitor inside instead. Nov 13 00:59:23 cjdavies: it's a hoax Nov 13 00:59:35 99% defect after 12 months Nov 13 00:59:37 is it supposed to work? Nov 13 00:59:52 Hurrian: indeed Nov 13 00:59:54 I assumed it wouldn't last forever, looked soldered so it probably isn't even easy to replace Nov 13 00:59:54 i'll take that as a "no" Nov 13 00:59:59 soldering lithium cells can be dodgy Nov 13 01:00:06 FIQ, it's a generally accepted fact that you run into hildon-welcome after changing SIMs Nov 13 01:00:19 Hurrian: :p Nov 13 01:00:21 cjdavies: that's what heppened here Nov 13 01:00:25 happened* Nov 13 01:00:53 ok so basically n900 doesn't have a backup battery Nov 13 01:00:58 in practice Nov 13 01:00:58 You know what would suxx0r: if the old empty cells leaked. Nov 13 01:01:16 FIQ: if you put it that way... yes Nov 13 01:01:47 FIQ: it might suffice for 5...30s though Nov 13 01:01:50 wow, this thing has a built-in FM transmitter? Nov 13 01:01:53 epic Nov 13 01:02:00 epic crap Nov 13 01:02:14 5nano(!)Watt Nov 13 01:02:16 DocScrutinizer05: i guess it does SOME work on my phone Nov 13 01:02:35 if I swap batteries in <1s, clock stays working Nov 13 01:02:42 well, I presume it is enough to go from your phone in a car charger to the car's radio Nov 13 01:02:48 cjdavies, horrible range Nov 13 01:02:49 or was it actually microWatt Nov 13 01:02:55 which is what I usually do now, by being used to it Nov 13 01:03:13 you can improve it by connecting an unconnected USB cable to the port Nov 13 01:03:20 but it'll still be crap. Nov 13 01:03:34 are you talking to me now? Nov 13 01:03:42 IIRC the FM transmitter antenna is on the board and cannot be replaced Nov 13 01:03:57 No, I was talking to cjdvies Nov 13 01:04:02 oh ok Nov 13 01:04:13 s/cjdvies/cjdavies/ Nov 13 01:04:14 Hurrian meant: No, I was talking to cjdavies Nov 13 01:04:24 hmm, how's wiki feeling Nov 13 01:04:32 down Nov 13 01:04:35 dead? Nov 13 01:04:38 too bad Nov 13 01:04:42 indeed Nov 13 01:04:53 wanted to see what i had to do to get gpsp to work Nov 13 01:05:09 gpsp? Nov 13 01:05:13 Try Googlw Nov 13 01:05:14 emulator Nov 13 01:05:18 for gba Nov 13 01:05:19 Try Google Cache. Nov 13 01:05:27 it may have a copy. Nov 13 01:05:36 Hurrian: google doesn't seem to have one Nov 13 01:05:41 i checked earlier Nov 13 01:05:49 whelp Nov 13 01:06:00 luckily merlin1991 did a backup yesterday, though XML format Nov 13 01:06:12 that's enough for me Nov 13 01:06:20 if it's available somewhere, that is Nov 13 01:06:22 So both WMO and harmattan-dev are down. What's next? RMO? Nov 13 01:06:26 it is Nov 13 01:06:41 next is TMO ofc Nov 13 01:06:42 hm, going to have to tweak with terminals or fonts a bit, still not enough room for my screenrc Nov 13 01:06:45 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ Nov 13 01:06:50 ty Nov 13 01:06:53 yw Nov 13 01:07:13 I suspect 3 weeks is achievable in suspend to ram, with WiFi and 3g off Nov 13 01:07:27 but I know it works okay on the YRPARIP of the E6, with crazy small font that my young eyes can read Nov 13 01:07:36 FIQ: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki/wiki_2012_11_11.7z Nov 13 01:08:36 any recommendagtions for terminal fonts that are clear/sharp at small sizes? monospace doesn't look too good even at 1P Nov 13 01:08:55 merlin1991: BTW, 7z? Are you serious? Nov 13 01:09:02 cjdavies, Inconsolata is nice. Nov 13 01:09:08 DocScrutinizer05: why not? Nov 13 01:09:22 what's the rationale against it? Nov 13 01:09:23 wouldn't know how to unpack that crap Nov 13 01:09:32 Would it be feas ible to replace that backup battery by a capacitor? I vaguely recall having seen such discussion here lately Nov 13 01:09:36 I already tried looking for terminus on the repos with no luck :( Nov 13 01:09:43 DocScrutinizer05: install your average 7z package Nov 13 01:09:52 :-/ Nov 13 01:10:10 as long as mc doesn't know it... Nov 13 01:10:13 cjdavies, just drop it into usr/share/fonts and rebuild the font cache Nov 13 01:10:31 ah, of course, this is linux Nov 13 01:10:40 kolp, someone has, but you need to find the right sized one Nov 13 01:12:42 DocScrutinizer05: tar.gz 47mb tar.bz2 46 mb 7z 44mb Nov 13 01:12:58 and the bzip2 one takes the longest time to compress Nov 13 01:13:12 sure Nov 13 01:13:34 here though installing 7z stuff takes longest Nov 13 01:13:54 hm Nov 13 01:14:05 hang on, terminus is a bitmap font, so it's not as simple to install, right? Nov 13 01:14:16 clock died even though I swapped battery w/o issues at all Nov 13 01:14:36 hopefully temporary Nov 13 01:14:39 cjdavies, if its marked as monospace in the OTF it's classified as such Nov 13 01:14:41 magically Nov 13 01:14:57 nevermind, Ark already knows 7z Nov 13 01:15:08 otherwise I'll have to make a startupscript that attempt to sync during startup Nov 13 01:15:22 ark knows most compressing formats Nov 13 01:15:23 most retarded thing I've seen in a while. twitter promoted tweets for rental fonts. Nov 13 01:15:45 and probably it's the only compression our friends on the ugly side of the river can also handle Nov 13 01:16:24 7zip also supports most compress formats Nov 13 01:16:56 and has a semi nice commandline tool Nov 13 01:17:34 I use 7zip on windows and various stuff for linux @ compress formats Nov 13 01:18:06 yeah on win the 7zip gui is one of the nicest things around for opening pretty much any archive Nov 13 01:18:15 so much on this topic: >>Loading the archive /home/jr/Dokumente/downloads/wiki_with_history_2012_11_11.7z failed with the following error: Failed to locate program 7z in PATH.<< Nov 13 01:18:22 and also completely free and trustworthy Nov 13 01:21:06 "please use PC-Suite to upgrade" Nov 13 01:21:25 ham, always being helpful Nov 13 01:21:32 wiki is back Nov 13 01:21:43 this time it gave me a quote Nov 13 01:21:48 ..meh Nov 13 01:22:10 kolp: I literally *just* downloaded a backup :P Nov 13 01:22:18 but ty for info Nov 13 01:22:24 since seeing something asking for 7zip feels like asking me to switch to windows Nov 13 01:23:11 hm, so if I install ttf-droid & it updates the font cache, what else needs doing before X Terminal allows me to use it? Nov 13 01:24:45 * DocScrutinizer05 sighs loud and long, fires up yum search 7z Nov 13 01:25:48 DocScrutinizer05: at least it's not rar ;) Nov 13 01:26:03 dunno what's worse Nov 13 01:27:07 in case the author of the gpspmgui package is in here -- please copy stuff like game_config.txt from /opt/gpspm and place where it should be for the gui to see it, as currently this must be done manually Nov 13 01:27:40 alternatively do a symlink Nov 13 01:30:43 yay, it works Nov 13 01:35:04 DAFAQ! all_with_history.xml 705MB Nov 13 01:35:16 toldya :D Nov 13 01:36:41 plus mc decompresses/opens it with TWO files/ dirs Nov 13 01:53:14 http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-touch-window-assy-2691v9 is this the outermost part of the screen assembly? Nov 13 02:00:32 souns like Nov 13 02:01:40 though I guess thenokiaparts.com is kinda out of business Nov 13 02:03:52 AndrewX192: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Touch-Screen-Panel-Display-Glas-Digitizer-Nokia-N900-/170616003539?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27b9819bd3 Nov 13 02:04:57 http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nokia-N900-Touchscreen-Digitizer-Touch-Pad-/130759321483?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item1e71dce78b Nov 13 02:06:08 CAVE! Hongkong! http://www.ebay.de/itm/Neu-Nokia-N900-Touchscreen-Touch-Displayglas-N-900-Glas-/170779668768?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27c342f120 Nov 13 02:06:46 that has the camera and all that built into it? Nov 13 02:07:48 nope Nov 13 02:08:00 that's all part of the main flex connector Nov 13 02:08:11 this one looks good: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Touch-Screen-Digitizier-Glass-Part-pad-for-Nokia-N900-N-900-with-frame-/150694732112?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item23161b2150 Nov 13 02:08:22 What's that connection for then? Is that for the digitizer? Nov 13 02:09:28 yep Nov 13 02:10:25 while this one (same price) has no frame: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-For-Nokia-N900-/370476350299?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item56421c7b5b Nov 13 02:12:19 I have a scratch on the far right (most of it is to the right of the screen, but about 5px are affected - makes scrolling in firefox a little hard sometimes) Nov 13 02:13:21 or you get one from HongKong for 5 bucks ;-P http://www.ebay.de/itm/New-Replacement-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-For-Nokia-N900-N-900-Free-Shipping-/170913229615?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27cb38eb2f Nov 13 02:14:07 tell me how that one panned out though, please Nov 13 02:14:25 I'd kinda like to get another N900 Nov 13 02:14:35 Because I'm going to be doing a research project using the Maemo platform Nov 13 02:15:21 (I found a N800 and a professor using a N810 at the university) Nov 13 02:15:34 we need to find a N710, then I'll have seen all of them Nov 13 02:15:58 770? Dunno N710 Nov 13 02:16:28 er, yes N770 Nov 13 02:16:31 770, N800, N810, N900 Nov 13 02:16:45 N800, N810, N900, N9 Nov 13 02:17:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770 Nov 13 02:18:23 * robbiethe1st has a 770 Nov 13 02:19:38 wow Nov 13 02:24:05 I recently pondered to get another 5...10 N810, for general purpose microcontroler- and HID-projects. like intelligent lightswitch, doorbell with twoway communication and whatnot Nov 13 02:25:01 bathroom internet radio Nov 13 02:25:24 robotics Nov 13 02:25:46 hell, it even comes with proper USB hostmode Nov 13 02:27:02 but those critters seem really hard to find, new, nowadays Nov 13 02:27:23 and more expensive than N900 Nov 13 02:27:57 DocScrutinizer05: you know about the zip it z2? Nov 13 02:28:53 http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-/321021204318?pt=DE_iPad_Tablets_PCs_eReaders&hash=item4abe5ad75e used Nov 13 02:29:00 SpeedEvil: nope Nov 13 02:29:07 someone's selling for $10 in 20s Nov 13 02:30:49 http://linux.zipitwireless.com Nov 13 02:33:38 fanoush seznam? Nov 13 02:33:56 fanoush rings a bell here Nov 13 02:34:12 prolly not an unusual name though Nov 13 02:34:37 I would pastebin the email I got. but my ISP is being silly Nov 13 02:34:49 hard to figure what that's all about Nov 13 02:35:54 isn't rpi more sensible for general puprose microcontroller? Nov 13 02:36:41 has rpi a display with digitizer, a kbd? Nov 13 02:36:41 possibly Nov 13 02:36:52 a decent case? Nov 13 02:37:15 there are kits with various stuff Nov 13 02:37:27 but digitizer+screens tend to be expensive Nov 13 02:38:04 http://dx.com/p/flucard-sd-memory-card-w-wi-fi-for-camera-white-4gb-162942 Nov 13 02:38:13 did I link that? Nov 13 02:38:19 teeny Linux system Nov 13 02:40:05 umm, seen that before. Found a fly in the ointment iirc Nov 13 02:40:35 it's got very limited ram Nov 13 02:40:50 but, someone in another channel got one to hack on Nov 13 02:41:24 isn't it like, hardcoded URL to download stuff to their website? Nov 13 02:41:33 or sth like that Nov 13 02:41:54 I don't mean the default firmware Nov 13 02:42:04 and no, this new doesn't do that Nov 13 02:42:50 but it's a Linux box with 4g flash, 30m ram, WiFi, and a few gpio Nov 13 02:42:55 and teeny Nov 13 02:46:38 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like a tuna sandwich. Might try to chase away the flu with hot plum wine Nov 13 02:47:53 flu is no fun **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:57 2012