**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:58 2012
Nov 13 03:29:27 <Woody14619a> DocScrutinizer05: FYI, I got confirmation you're on the e-mail alias now, along with the others.  :)  The last piece of the puzzle is now in place.  You're all set.  Enjoy!
Nov 13 04:13:59 <Luke-Jr> SpeedEvil: got info on the open side of it?
Nov 13 04:15:34 <SpeedEvil> the flucard thingy, no
Nov 13 04:21:20 <Luke-Jr> hmm, no google results for source code :|
Nov 13 04:22:29 <SpeedEvil> no.
Nov 13 04:22:37 <SpeedEvil> it'd need some hacking
Nov 13 04:22:47 <Luke-Jr> well, I just want the kernel code they have by default :P
Nov 13 04:23:59 <SpeedEvil> that too
Nov 13 04:40:54 * Luke-Jr shoots Trek an infringement notice
Nov 13 07:56:17 <Macer> how the hell is a nokia e7 still $300+ ?
Nov 13 07:56:23 <ruskie> hehe
Nov 13 07:56:41 <Macer> i'm waiting for $200 lol
Nov 13 07:56:54 <Macer> i want a functional non crap phone with a qwerty
Nov 13 07:57:09 * Macer sighs for his n900
Nov 13 07:57:16 <Macer> i'm using it again now tethered
Nov 13 07:58:03 * ruskie is still happy with his N900
Nov 13 07:58:27 <Macer> i would be too if 1. i still had tmobile 2. the sim reader sill worked ;)
Nov 13 07:58:35 <Macer> well.. modem i suppose
Nov 13 07:59:02 <Macer> i still use it but now it is just a glorified nit ;)
Nov 13 08:40:19 <vi_> chem|st: Fuck them haters on the mailing list.  You dun good.
Nov 13 08:44:13 <Skry> vi_: whats happening in there? everyone talks about this but I still don't know the details :\
Nov 13 08:48:17 <vi_> Skry: Estel's last stand.
Nov 13 08:48:39 <vi_> He is all up on the mailling list behaving like a complete ballbag.
Nov 13 08:49:36 <vi_> He is making multiple accounts and trolling like a pro.
Nov 13 08:49:45 <vi_> I wish someone would perma-ban him.
Nov 13 08:49:51 <vi_> Deputise me, I will do it.
Nov 13 08:50:47 <Skry> he seems to be quite confusing character, I never had any shit from him though. Looks to be the kinda guy who goes from normal to douchebag mode in seconds.
Nov 13 08:51:43 <fasta> Banning is silly; you have mail filters for that.\
Nov 13 08:53:54 <fasta> vi_: which list?
Nov 13 08:53:56 <freemangordon> vi_: are you convinced it is estel behind this Dd... whatever account?
Nov 13 08:54:54 <freemangordon> fasta: maemo-community
Nov 13 08:55:41 <vi_> freemangordon: Yes.
Nov 13 08:55:49 <vi_> JCdenton==estel.
Nov 13 08:55:56 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 13 08:56:05 <vi_> His faux 'engrish' is fake as all hell.
Nov 13 08:56:16 <vi_> He even 'signs' his messages.
Nov 13 08:57:00 <vi_> Consider his use of the personal pronoun 'me'.
Nov 13 08:57:11 <vi_> It is UTTERLY inconsistent.
Nov 13 08:58:11 <freemangordon> vi_: ok, I am not arguing, it is just my English is not good enough to make a deffinitive conclusion
Nov 13 08:58:22 <vi_> People who have a very poor grasp of english are usually consistent with their mistakes, unless they are incomprehensibly bad.
Nov 13 08:58:41 <vi_> Of course not, however I must justify such outragoues claims.
Nov 13 08:59:06 <vi_> Of course I could be wrong, however my bullshit detector is is going apeshit.
Nov 13 08:59:14 <vi_> Also, the identical IP addresses.
Nov 13 09:01:07 <freemangordon> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HhXk-v0o-BcJ:forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1292984+JCDenton+maemo&cd=8&hl=bg&ct=clnk&gl=bg&client=firefox-a
Nov 13 09:01:15 <freemangordon> yep, seems like estel
Nov 13 09:04:16 <vi_> Yup.
Nov 13 09:04:41 <Skry> is there some absolute-point-of-no-return post by estel which resulted in banning him? I mean, I don't think banning is the right thing to do unless he is seriously attacking/harming someone. I don't know nothing about this, just saying.
Nov 13 09:05:11 <vi_> Perhaps he knows 'estel' the notion of the person and the account is foobar and wants to reinvent himself, to create a distance from the 'estel' account.
Nov 13 09:05:28 <vi_> After all, he is a maemo obsessive.
Nov 13 09:05:49 <vi_> Skry: He has proven beyond all reasonable doubt he is a turd.
Nov 13 09:05:49 <freemangordon> Skry: he was banned for creating the second (and maybe third) account
Nov 13 09:05:57 <vi_> freemangordon: Fourth.
Nov 13 09:06:01 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 13 09:06:17 <freemangordon> makes no difference after the second :)
Nov 13 09:06:34 <vi_> There is only so much civillity that can be allowed.  Ultimatley, you have to execute some criminals.
Nov 13 09:06:39 <vi_> For the greater good.
Nov 13 09:07:31 <freemangordon> I wonder what's with "al body" replacement ;)
Nov 13 09:09:17 <StyXman> maybe he means jimmy's body or hoffa's body...
Nov 13 09:09:24 <vi_> I have stayed away from that thread.  I cringe when I think how it will turn out.
Nov 13 09:09:52 <Skry> well, if he is actually hurting the community then good riddance
Nov 13 09:09:59 <vi_> Skry: He is.
Nov 13 09:10:05 <vi_> He used to be cool.
Nov 13 09:10:09 <vi_> But now he is not.
Nov 13 09:13:02 <Skry> that's something I've wondered, most of the posts I've seen from him usually make at least some sense, that's why I'm asking about this as I've personally not have had any trouble with the guy, quite contrary.
Nov 13 09:13:26 <fasta> What should one do with people that are in a support role that are too incompetent to help?
Nov 13 09:14:24 <fasta> In this case, I am the customer; I think I should just find another company.
Nov 13 09:15:20 <Skry> then do so, there is no excuse for poor customer service.
Nov 13 09:15:25 <fasta> It's the typical account manager role; completely clueless of anything. 
Nov 13 09:15:48 <fasta> If it was my company, I would never ever let incompetent people talk to clients.
Nov 13 09:16:10 <fasta> I also talked to some other company once in the same sector. It was like day and night. 
Nov 13 09:16:25 <Skry> yeah, bad business. You could report that employee to his/her boss?
Nov 13 09:16:32 <fasta> They let me wait for 2 minutes and they were terribly sorry, etc.
Nov 13 09:16:49 <fasta> After 2 minutes I got an actually competent person on the line.
Nov 13 09:17:13 <freemangordon> Skry: for some reason completely unclear to me, estel's last about 50-100 posts on TMO are total BS
Nov 13 09:17:38 <fasta> freemangordon: some people  get mentally ill, not saying that estel did.
Nov 13 09:17:56 <fasta> But given the size of the TMO community, someone will.
Nov 13 09:18:15 <Skry> I know I did :D
Nov 13 09:18:27 <freemangordon> accusing woody and ivgalves for everything imaginable
Nov 13 09:18:36 <fasta> Do I understand correctly that the forum doesn't exist anymore after 31 dec?
Nov 13 09:18:44 <freemangordon> fasta: no
Nov 13 09:18:53 <vi_> freemangordon: Perhaps he going through some mental hardships IRL.
Nov 13 09:19:12 <freemangordon> "hardships IRL"?
Nov 13 09:19:32 <fasta> freemangordon: lost parents, etc.
Nov 13 09:20:01 <Skry> might very well be the case, who knows
Nov 13 09:20:04 <freemangordon> fasta: maemo.org domain should be/is transferred to Hildon Foundation
Nov 13 09:20:06 <fasta> Estel has also done some good things, I think. 
Nov 13 09:20:19 <vi_> He has.
Nov 13 09:20:24 <fasta> I think he/she has helped me a few times when I was a complete n00b.
Nov 13 09:20:26 <freemangordon> vi_: aah, got it now. Possible, yes
Nov 13 09:20:36 <freemangordon> fasta: estel is he
Nov 13 09:20:52 <fasta> So, people burning him now isn't really nice.
Nov 13 09:21:13 <freemangordon> fasta: noone is burning him. aiui
Nov 13 09:21:34 <vi_> fasta: If anything, we are humanising him.
Nov 13 09:21:42 <fasta> Ok, I don't know the details. 
Nov 13 09:21:44 <vi_> Right now that is.
Nov 13 09:21:57 <freemangordon> :nod:
Nov 13 09:22:13 <fasta> Maemo community seems to be one consisting of the most consistent and reasonable persons in general.
Nov 13 09:23:51 <freemangordon> at least used to
Nov 13 09:24:41 <freemangordon> though TBH I miss abill from time to time, it was always fun to read his posts :D
Nov 13 09:25:09 <vi_> freemangordon: Wow, you are full of empathy today!
Nov 13 09:25:29 <freemangordon> vi_: today? I am always like that.
Nov 13 09:25:50 <freemangordon> vi_: remember when I was trying to make abill do something useful?
Nov 13 09:29:14 <vi_> Has anyone figured out how to 'roll your own' emmc images yet?
Nov 13 09:29:54 <freemangordon> vi_: that should be pretty clear how to be done, afaik the problem is with licensing (closed stuff)
Nov 13 09:30:27 <vi_> freemangordon: this is for my own image.
Nov 13 09:30:30 <vi_> also, IDGAF.
Nov 13 09:31:01 <vi_> I will happily host ALL the dodgy stuff that no one will touch due to nokia licensing.
Nov 13 09:31:27 <vi_> flash 10 deb
Nov 13 09:31:32 <vi_> pirate sygic maps
Nov 13 09:31:36 <vi_> pirate docs to go.
Nov 13 09:31:44 <vi_> harmattan codecs.
Nov 13 09:32:05 <fasta> vi_: host them on i2p for your own security.
Nov 13 09:32:11 <vi_> In fact, if I could just figure out how to set up a PLF repo.
Nov 13 09:32:13 <chem|st> vi_: I know, and the IP is no NAT gate afaict... on the mailinglist people use their real names to be trustworthy
Nov 13 09:32:37 <vi_> ~i2p
Nov 13 09:32:41 <chem|st> vi_: his statement that he was banned for the sole of one post is not true
Nov 13 09:33:12 <vi_> chem|st: You have been more than leniant and fair.  It is a difficult position being a moderator.
Nov 13 09:33:27 <chem|st> 4 people reported 2 different posts, two of them where reported after moderation
Nov 13 09:33:53 <chem|st> and I gave him infractions to have him out for 3 days not to proof a point...
Nov 13 09:34:17 <chem|st> vi_: it is a bare wonder I did not ban him ages ago
Nov 13 09:34:39 <chem|st> getting personal with moderators gets you banned elsewhere
Nov 13 09:35:43 <StyXman> ~plf
Nov 13 09:35:44 <infobot> i heard plf is penguin liberation front, http://plf.zarb.org
Nov 13 09:35:55 <chem|st> getting onto reggie and DocScrutinizer51, *personal* attacks does not mean that you have to use bad language on them but bark
Nov 13 09:39:52 <Skry> yeah, going personal on someone should not be tolerated
Nov 13 09:40:03 <vi_> Oh wow, emmc image unpacks.
Nov 13 09:40:17 <chem|st> Skry: reading the mailinglist?
Nov 13 09:40:18 <vi_> and it is full of shit.
Nov 13 09:40:38 <Skry> chem|st: nope, that's why I was asking about this all. Maybe I should.
Nov 13 09:41:56 <chem|st> Skry: estel is trying to make a point, after chanmods and tmo-moderators have mad one already, now he is after moderators admins chanops and council instead of only chanops and council...
Nov 13 09:42:13 <chem|st> the latter is one and the same person btw
Nov 13 09:42:18 <vi_> So I can unpack emmc image, how do I 're-pack' it?
Nov 13 09:42:35 <chem|st> vi_: uh so it will flash?
Nov 13 09:42:45 <vi_> chem|st: yes.
Nov 13 09:42:49 <chem|st> ask robbie
Nov 13 09:43:00 <vi_> He only did a rootfs image.
Nov 13 09:43:23 <chem|st> I think it is the same archive isn't it?
Nov 13 09:43:25 <vi_> Although I now see there is not actually anything of any value in emmc image.
Nov 13 09:43:40 <vi_> 100mb of shit music and videos.
Nov 13 09:43:45 <chem|st> right
Nov 13 09:43:48 <vi_> 40mb of maemo user guide in every language.
Nov 13 09:43:57 <chem|st> thought you want to pack your own stuff in there
Nov 13 09:44:37 <vi_> chem|st: Not really, I want to know how to put stuff in opt.
Nov 13 09:45:06 <vi_> Although stripping out this 208mb of garbage could be nice.
Nov 13 09:46:17 <vi_> I think it is time to have a cssu flashable image.
Nov 13 09:46:28 <vi_> LOADED UP WITH 1337 WAREZ.
Nov 13 09:47:38 <vi_> So /opt is generated on first boot from stuff in rootfs image.
Nov 13 09:48:33 <chem|st> yes
Nov 13 09:48:37 <vi_> That is a problem, because it relies on fitting everything into rootfs first.
Nov 13 09:48:52 <Skry> I've actually been hoping someone created such image (without teh leetest warez though)
Nov 13 09:50:10 <vi_> Although, Mydocs is specified as a fat32 filesystem image in emmc.
Nov 13 09:50:45 <vi_> So one could conclude that it is possible to specify an ext3 image for /opt
Nov 13 09:51:01 <Skry> yes
Nov 13 09:51:35 <vi_> The problem being unpack only extracts the fat32 image.
Nov 13 09:52:32 <vi_> and the emmc bin appears to be a wrapper containing the partition geometry and the FS image.
Nov 13 09:53:33 <Skry> partition geom is separate and rest are raw partition images?
Nov 13 09:54:02 <Skry> or is it just one big dump of emmc in whole?
Nov 13 09:54:03 <vi_> Skry: If you open the emmc bin in a hexeditor you can see the partition geometry at the start of the file.
Nov 13 09:54:30 <Skry> ahh, ok
Nov 13 09:58:12 <MohammadAG> vi_, Skry, the emmc image is created with fiasco-gen, its a raw image with the layout file added to the header
Nov 13 09:58:37 <vi_> MohammadAG: hay Mo.
Nov 13 09:58:59 <MohammadAG> Hey vi_ :)
Nov 13 09:59:06 <vi_> Do you know if it is possible to add add other filesystem images to the emmc image.
Nov 13 09:59:11 <MohammadAG> How the fuck do i tab in this piece of shit
Nov 13 09:59:20 <vi_> MohammadAG: ...with a tab key?
Nov 13 09:59:21 <MohammadAG> Hmm, havent tried it
Nov 13 09:59:23 <freemangordon> iPad?
Nov 13 09:59:29 <freemangordon> :P
Nov 13 09:59:35 <MohammadAG> No, sort of left the apple world
Nov 13 09:59:47 <freemangordon> back to the roots?
Nov 13 09:59:54 <vi_> MohammadAG: OS/2??
Nov 13 09:59:55 <MohammadAG> As good as ios was, they stopped innovating
Nov 13 10:00:11 <deepy\SIGSEGV> ios, IOS or iOS?
Nov 13 10:00:12 <freemangordon> vi_: naah, DOS 3.30
Nov 13 10:00:13 <MohammadAG> I tried the thing i stabbed the most
Nov 13 10:00:22 <MohammadAG> Android
Nov 13 10:00:33 <vi_> ...
Nov 13 10:00:35 <vi_> and???
Nov 13 10:00:50 <vi_> Is it really the green lands of milk and honey?
Nov 13 10:01:01 <vi_> Are the legends true?
Nov 13 10:01:06 <MohammadAG> No, dalvik is still crap
Nov 13 10:01:14 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Please do elaborate
Nov 13 10:01:33 <MohammadAG> Out of 1GB RAM I always have about 300 or less free
Nov 13 10:01:46 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Do you ever run out of memory?
Nov 13 10:01:51 <MohammadAG> Yes
Nov 13 10:02:00 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Oh, I never do
Nov 13 10:02:08 <MohammadAG> In which case it decides to free up memory by killing background tasks
Nov 13 10:02:08 <deepy\SIGSEGV> What happens when you run out of memory?
Nov 13 10:02:18 <MohammadAG> Such as the launcher
Nov 13 10:02:28 <Skry> :D
Nov 13 10:02:37 <deepy\SIGSEGV> That's... never happened to me
Nov 13 10:02:41 <MohammadAG> I've moved from touchwiz to nova launcher and it seems a lot better
Nov 13 10:02:42 <vi_> deepy\SIGSEGV: A cartoon paperclip appears and asks:
Nov 13 10:02:54 <vi_> I see you have run out of memory! would you like to :
Nov 13 10:02:58 <MohammadAG> deepy\SIGSEGV: which device?
Nov 13 10:03:00 <vi_> .reboot
Nov 13 10:03:04 <vi_> .poweroff.
Nov 13 10:03:06 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Nexus One and LG 4X HD
Nov 13 10:03:07 <vi_> .crash
Nov 13 10:03:16 <deepy\SIGSEGV> .write a letter
Nov 13 10:03:19 <MohammadAG> Hmm
Nov 13 10:03:33 <MohammadAG> SGS3 with Jelly bean
Nov 13 10:03:39 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Oh, I don't have JB
Nov 13 10:03:51 <deepy\SIGSEGV> I have... uh, something 4.x
Nov 13 10:03:51 <MohammadAG> Must admit that google's unbloated shit runs better
Nov 13 10:04:03 <MohammadAG> ICS?
Nov 13 10:04:16 <deepy\SIGSEGV> yeah
Nov 13 10:04:31 <MohammadAG> The only thing that convinced me to try android was jelly bean :)
Nov 13 10:04:37 <deepy\SIGSEGV> I heard LG got a lot of kudos by not fiddling too much with it
Nov 13 10:04:42 <deepy\SIGSEGV> What makes JB different from ICS?
Nov 13 10:04:51 <MohammadAG> Just like iOS5 got me into apple stuff and iOS6 made me leave it :p
Nov 13 10:04:51 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Apart from it being faster
Nov 13 10:05:04 <MohammadAG> General improvements
Nov 13 10:05:08 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Such as?
Nov 13 10:05:09 <MohammadAG> Project butter being one
Nov 13 10:05:22 <MohammadAG> They changed scrolling physics
Nov 13 10:05:32 <MohammadAG> But thats not mentioned anywhete
Nov 13 10:05:51 <MohammadAG> You need to have two identical devices side by side and scroll them to notice the difference
Nov 13 10:06:13 <MohammadAG> Google Now is actually useful
Nov 13 10:06:23 <MohammadAG> Location history kind of surprised me
Nov 13 10:06:30 <deepy\SIGSEGV> okay project butter looks cool
Nov 13 10:06:37 <MohammadAG> The device maps my location everywhere
Nov 13 10:06:55 <MohammadAG> I have a full history of where i went since i got the device
Nov 13 10:07:20 <freemangordon> hmm, what is that useful for?
Nov 13 10:07:23 <MohammadAG> I'm assuming i can turn that off but what the hell, they have a month of the places I frequent
Nov 13 10:07:46 <deepy\SIGSEGV> freemangordon: what was that pub we went to on Friday called? moments
Nov 13 10:08:17 <freemangordon> what? you should drink less, location history won;t halp you
Nov 13 10:08:20 <MohammadAG> freemangordon: alibi
Nov 13 10:08:24 <freemangordon> *help
Nov 13 10:08:42 <freemangordon> nice
Nov 13 10:08:49 <deepy\SIGSEGV> it'll tell me where the pub was! :)
Nov 13 10:08:53 * MohammadAG continues writing Elop's suicide note
Nov 13 10:09:53 <freemangordon> we have S3 in the office, some SW development is going on. Man, this thing is HUUUGE
Nov 13 10:13:24 <MohammadAG> freemangordon: yeah, i find it weird when i hold the N9 now
Nov 13 10:13:47 <MohammadAG> The community's nice
Nov 13 10:13:58 <MohammadAG> Doesnt beat maemo's or iOS's
Nov 13 10:14:19 <MohammadAG> iOS's community is way more sane (in mods) and advanced
Nov 13 10:14:31 <MohammadAG> Android is more trial and error
Nov 13 10:14:49 <MohammadAG> You have to google to figure out a lot
Nov 13 10:14:54 <MohammadAG> Theres no central wiki
Nov 13 10:15:16 <freemangordon> well, no wiki, but there is google :)
Nov 13 10:15:30 <MohammadAG> Oh yeah, since we're on the subject of communities
Nov 13 10:15:43 <MohammadAG> What's with the recent shitstorm on the ML
Nov 13 10:17:02 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-11-13T10:40:19
Nov 13 10:18:27 <MohammadAG> Me will read, me not happy about long thread on ml
Nov 13 10:18:46 <MohammadAG> I like how the JCD guy speaks like a caveman
Nov 13 10:19:24 <freemangordon> well, lets hope it is settled now
Nov 13 10:24:00 <MohammadAG> vi_: install fiasco-gen
Nov 13 10:24:03 <MohammadAG> It'll help
Nov 13 10:24:21 <vi_> MohammadAG: fiasco-gen...
Nov 13 10:24:28 <vi_> MohammadAG: cheers.
Nov 13 10:24:41 <MohammadAG> It's available in scratchbox
Nov 13 10:25:03 <vi_> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1031950
Nov 13 10:25:05 <vi_> ^w00t.
Nov 13 10:25:12 <MohammadAG> iirc the layout file has a "rest" thing
Nov 13 10:25:27 <MohammadAG> Do this this, and make the rest fat32
Nov 13 10:26:37 <MohammadAG> Oh hey, i actually posted stuff about it
Nov 13 10:29:13 <vi_> There is something in the repos that is breaking compatability with nokia suite.
Nov 13 10:38:10 <freemangordon> WTF?
Nov 13 10:38:14 <freemangordon> A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
Nov 13 10:38:16 <freemangordon> (SQL query hidden)
Nov 13 10:38:18 <freemangordon> from within function "User::saveSettings". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'freemangordon' for key 2 (apps.maemo.org)".
Nov 13 10:38:37 <freemangordon> http://wiki.maemo.org that is :(
Nov 13 10:43:23 <andre__> freemangordon, yupp, wiki.maemo.org is uneditable for nearly a week
Nov 13 10:49:09 <freemangordon> damn
Nov 13 10:49:17 <vi_> why, oh why for the love of god would you call a package loldongs?
Nov 13 10:50:43 <freemangordon> andre__: any idea when/if it will be fixed
Nov 13 10:50:49 <freemangordon> ?
Nov 13 10:51:18 <andre__> freemangordon, no
Nov 13 10:52:20 <freemangordon> :(
Nov 13 11:00:08 <MohammadAG> vi_: lol
Nov 13 11:00:41 <MohammadAG> I need a 64GB microSDXC card :/
Nov 13 11:18:07 <vi_> kerio: ping
Nov 13 11:37:00 <vi_> kerio: ping goddamn your eyes.
Nov 13 11:39:25 <kolp> Hmm, it just took nearly 12 hours to calibrate my Polarcell using calibrate-bq27k.sh, and the result is 1391mAh???
Nov 13 11:40:17 <vi_> kolp: It can take more than 1 shot.
Nov 13 11:40:43 <vi_> kolp: My one said 1420mAh first time then 1540mAh the second.
Nov 13 11:41:24 <kolp> vi_: ok, I'll give it another whirl
Nov 13 11:42:02 <vi_> kolp: Although I do not know this calibrate-bq27k.sh script.
Nov 13 11:42:53 <kolp> It's basically bq27200.sh + stopping bme. From http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh
Nov 13 11:44:26 <DocScrutinizer05> kolp: bq27200 will adjust LMD by only 1/6 up or down on each valibration
Nov 13 11:45:01 <kolp> DocScrutinizer05: Previously stored value was 1420 or something
Nov 13 11:45:42 <kolp> Though I'm not sure how it got there, as all previous calibration attempts failed
Nov 13 11:45:52 <kolp> For the Polarcell anyway
Nov 13 11:46:45 <vi_> DocScrutinizer05: do you know how to use palis bme replacement?
Nov 13 11:47:11 <vi_> I have modprobed bq27x00 and bq2415 modules.
Nov 13 11:47:17 <vi_> stopped bme.
Nov 13 11:47:20 <vi_> ...
Nov 13 11:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> sure I know
Nov 13 11:47:36 <vi_> Care to share?
Nov 13 11:47:44 <DocScrutinizer05> share what?
Nov 13 11:48:04 <vi_> The battery meter should be working to some degree?
Nov 13 11:48:39 <DocScrutinizer05> latest 'version' should have batmeter replacement that works
Nov 13 11:48:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ask kerio or pali
Nov 13 11:49:06 <Hurrian> vi_ are you using KP52?
Nov 13 11:49:09 <DocScrutinizer05> aah, see you pinged him
Nov 13 11:49:38 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm  not 'awake' yet - flu
Nov 13 11:51:39 <vi_> Hurrian: No, cssu3
Nov 13 11:52:03 <vi_> Hurrian: So if I grab the v52 beta it will pull all the other stuff I need?
Nov 13 11:52:14 <Hurrian> IIRC Pali said it only works with KP52 for now, until k-thumb-cssu pulls in the changes
Nov 13 11:52:19 <vi_> Also, do I need the advanced power monitor thing?
Nov 13 11:52:38 <Hurrian> Not APM. You need Pali's battery plugin replacement.
Nov 13 11:52:43 <Hurrian> vi_, yup, it includes Pali's shiny new battery driver.
Nov 13 11:54:17 <DocScrutinizer05> vi_: sorry, I didn't see the "to use" part
Nov 13 11:54:29 <DocScrutinizer05> "how to use"
Nov 13 11:57:22 <vi_> DocScrutinizer05: Thats ok...
Nov 13 11:57:38 * vi_ shoves a steaming mug of black coffee at DS.
Nov 13 11:57:43 <vi_> ~coffee vi
Nov 13 11:57:44 * infobot steals some of Rantwolf's special coffee and gives it to vi on a silver platter.
Nov 13 11:57:52 <vi_> ~coffee DocScrutinizer05 
Nov 13 11:57:52 * infobot steals some of npm's special coffee and gives it to DocScrutinizer05 on a silver platter.
Nov 13 11:58:06 <vi_> I just KNEW there would be a coffee function!
Nov 13 11:58:25 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks, already sipping
Nov 13 12:00:29 <kerio> vi_: the fuck do you want
Nov 13 12:00:33 <kerio> i was at the uni
Nov 13 12:00:38 <kerio> oic
Nov 13 12:00:53 <kerio> vi_: it's strongly suggested you also install kp52 and the new battery meter
Nov 13 12:01:01 <kerio> you probably don't need the last one, but it's much cuter
Nov 13 12:01:18 <kerio> in theory you shouldn't need to modprobe anything, /etc/event.d/bme deals with loading the appropriate modules
Nov 13 12:02:11 <jon_y> will this be in extras once builder is back?
Nov 13 12:02:17 <DocScrutinizer05> how's that supposedd to workß
Nov 13 12:02:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ß
Nov 13 12:02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ???
Nov 13 12:02:24 <kerio> ßßßß!
Nov 13 12:02:28 <DocScrutinizer05> damn!
Nov 13 12:02:31 <jon_y> großß
Nov 13 12:02:33 <kerio> what do you mean how's that supposed to work? :o
Nov 13 12:02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> events.d
Nov 13 12:02:57 <DocScrutinizer05> bme
Nov 13 12:03:05 <vi_> you probably don't need the last one, but it's much cuter
Nov 13 12:03:05 <kerio> the "bme" event file is replaced, the package is called "bme"
Nov 13 12:03:09 <vi_> ^what does this mean?
Nov 13 12:03:31 <jon_y> will both new battery meter and kp52 make it into extrans?
Nov 13 12:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> this obviously means that you won't get bme started on boot anymore
Nov 13 12:03:45 <kerio> vi_: as i understood it, "everything" is correctly replicated, so anything that doesn't talk directly to the bme binary should work the same as before
Nov 13 12:03:46 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: indeed
Nov 13 12:03:56 <kerio> it would be hard to start it, considering it's not even there
Nov 13 12:04:03 <vi_> NO one talks to bme binary.
Nov 13 12:04:07 <vi_> BME binary is a dick.
Nov 13 12:04:25 <kerio> vi_: libbmeipc is also replaced, with something that reads the values from the modules
Nov 13 12:04:38 <jon_y> ok, so a package is hiding the bme service from starting, did I read that right?
Nov 13 12:04:49 <jon_y> which is also called "bme"
Nov 13 12:04:56 <vi_> so I have installed kp52 package, modules and now flasher.
Nov 13 12:05:03 <vi_> kp52 should now be flashed.
Nov 13 12:05:27 <vi_> Where do I get this bme replacement?
Nov 13 12:05:41 <kerio> vi_: ask the man
Nov 13 12:05:45 <vi_> ...
Nov 13 12:05:49 <kerio> he just joined!
Nov 13 12:05:55 <DocScrutinizer05> jon_y: we now have a kernel module that does pretty much everything for charging. AIUI we got events.d/bme that configures the module
Nov 13 12:06:01 <vi_> Pali: hello.
Nov 13 12:06:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: "configures"
Nov 13 12:06:11 <kerio> it's just a modprobe :)
Nov 13 12:06:21 <Pali> vi_, hi
Nov 13 12:06:31 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: ok, this new package is hiding the nokia version?
Nov 13 12:06:35 <vi_> where may I find your bme replacement package?
Nov 13 12:06:38 <jon_y> and it requires kp52 to work?
Nov 13 12:06:45 <kerio> jon_y: it's an "upgrade" to the bme package from nokia
Nov 13 12:07:00 <jon_y> Ok, sort of like all the cssu packages
Nov 13 12:07:04 <kerio> yep
Nov 13 12:07:04 <vi_> kerio: I do not think the word upgrade does it justice.
Nov 13 12:07:10 <jon_y> where is kp52 anyway?
Nov 13 12:07:21 <vi_> jon_y: Hiding in the kp51 thread.
Nov 13 12:07:27 <jon_y> ok
Nov 13 12:07:40 <vi_> jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1265427&postcount=141
Nov 13 12:07:49 <Pali> !!experimental and can cause hw problmes!!: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/
Nov 13 12:07:57 <Pali> you have been warned!
Nov 13 12:08:11 <jon_y> what kinds of problems?
Nov 13 12:08:23 <vi_> Pali: It is on my experimental n900.
Nov 13 12:08:24 <Pali> for example exploding n900
Nov 13 12:08:45 <Pali> everything...
Nov 13 12:08:59 <jon_y> it might catch fire? :)
Nov 13 12:09:48 <Hurrian> Pali, my N900 just exploded in glorious awesomeness when I installed kp52 + open-bme
Nov 13 12:09:53 <kerio> vi_: for instance, my n900 often doesn't want to shut down :(
Nov 13 12:10:43 <vi_> rebooting...
Nov 13 12:11:26 <vi_> ...it booted.
Nov 13 12:11:28 <kerio> yay
Nov 13 12:11:33 <kerio> i hope you had a BM backup :)
Nov 13 12:11:39 <vi_> kerio: what do you mean 'not want to shut down'?
Nov 13 12:11:48 <vi_> kerio: This is my stunt n900.
Nov 13 12:11:54 <Hurrian> kerio, isn't shutdown dsme's job?
Nov 13 12:11:54 <kerio> vi_: i shut it down, and after a moment it starts up in ACT_DEAD mode
Nov 13 12:11:59 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Gives electric shocks and high pitched noises
Nov 13 12:12:04 <kerio> i bet it's just some RTC confusion
Nov 13 12:12:16 <vi_> kerio: wacky.
Nov 13 12:12:26 <kerio> deepy\SIGSEGV: go back to nethack, Adeon needs your points
Nov 13 12:12:29 <vi_> kerio: Something to do with the way usb is left at shutdown.
Nov 13 12:12:33 <vi_> Or something.
Nov 13 12:12:34 <deepy\SIGSEGV> I'm at work
Nov 13 12:12:39 <kerio> ...so?
Nov 13 12:12:43 <deepy\SIGSEGV> Why aren't you in SIGSEGV yet?
Nov 13 12:12:46 <kerio> vi_: maybe, but the led isn't turned on
Nov 13 12:12:49 <vi_> Just never switch it off...fixed.
Nov 13 12:13:04 <kerio> deepy\SIGSEGV: ECHAN, also because i'm waiting to join the clan that's about to win the day before devnull ends :)
Nov 13 12:13:08 <kerio> vi_: oh, of course
Nov 13 12:13:09 <kerio> but still
Nov 13 12:13:21 <vi_> devnull ends?
Nov 13 12:13:26 <vi_> SIGSEGV?
Nov 13 12:13:32 <kerio> vi_: it's a nethack tournament
Nov 13 12:13:32 <vi_> wtf are you talking about?
Nov 13 12:13:36 <vi_> WHOOAAA>
Nov 13 12:13:38 <kerio> as i said, ECHAN
Nov 13 12:13:45 <vi_> ...
Nov 13 12:13:51 <vi_> to bad I suck at nhack.
Nov 13 12:13:58 <vi_> I just die all the time.
Nov 13 12:14:00 <kerio> vi_: me too
Nov 13 12:14:05 <deepy\SIGSEGV> That's sort of the point of nethack
Nov 13 12:14:09 <deepy\SIGSEGV> But you're supposed to have fun doing it
Nov 13 12:14:10 <kerio> my longest ascension streak is only 3
Nov 13 12:14:26 <vi_> my longest ascension streak is 0.
Nov 13 12:14:41 <deepy\SIGSEGV> I'm winning by negative one
Nov 13 12:14:49 <vi_> Is it worth doing the gnomish mines?
Nov 13 12:14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: blame new worldclock &| alarmui
Nov 13 12:14:59 <kerio> vi_: join #nethack pls
Nov 13 12:15:03 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: indeed
Nov 13 12:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: you're lucky since there seems to be NO documented way to remove 'stale' resp 'orphaned' alarms from alarmd
Nov 13 12:16:07 <kerio> D:
Nov 13 12:16:15 <kerio> is there no way to list them?
Nov 13 12:16:31 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, manual edit that ini file
Nov 13 12:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> there's an API is you're lucky
Nov 13 12:16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: you know path?
Nov 13 12:17:09 <Pali> something in /var/
Nov 13 12:17:12 <freemangordon> "/var/cache/alarm.d/"
Nov 13 12:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod: ;-P
Nov 13 12:20:12 <jon_y> what is the difference between binutils and binutils-2.22?
Nov 13 12:21:24 <jon_y> nvm, binutils is 2.18 old
Nov 13 12:23:29 <tmx> Hi, does anyone have contact info for the Diablo extras-devel builder?
Nov 13 12:23:44 <tmx> It's totally broken.
Nov 13 12:25:15 <DocScrutinizer05> X-Fade: ping
Nov 13 12:25:47 <DocScrutinizer05> X-Fade: wiki not editable is a major PITA. any ETA for fix?
Nov 13 12:26:37 <Pali> tmx, noy only diablo, but every extras-devel distribution
Nov 13 12:26:42 <kerio> vi_: you left! :(
Nov 13 12:27:30 <tmx> Pali, I see. I don't mind packages not being built, but it also spams me with and error message every two minutes...
Nov 13 12:28:28 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, btw which part of maemo infrastructure working now?
Nov 13 12:28:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm as wise as you're
Nov 13 12:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: maemo infra still maintained by Nemein, not board or council. So I can't gather better info than you
Nov 13 12:30:36 <Pali> ok
Nov 13 12:31:34 <kerio> GODDAMMIT WHY DID MY N900 TURN ON RIGHT NOW
Nov 13 12:31:49 <kerio> THIS MAKES NO SENSE, THERE'S NOTHING IN alarm_queue.ini!!!!
Nov 13 12:32:00 <kerio> I'M ANGRY AND I NEED TO DISPERSE MY ANGER
Nov 13 12:32:09 <DocScrutinizer05> at least we got several wiki backups now ( I created a bz2 and an uncompressed one FWIW)
Nov 13 12:32:13 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: how much power does ACT_DEAD use?
Nov 13 12:32:16 <freemangordon> kerio: power button got stuck?
Nov 13 12:32:26 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: quite a bit
Nov 13 12:32:32 <kerio> freemangordon: it would've turned on, otherwise
Nov 13 12:32:50 <kerio> hm, maybe alarm_queue.ini.bak is what's fucking it up?
Nov 13 12:32:52 <freemangordon> hmm. btw why do you think it is in act_dead?
Nov 13 12:33:07 <kerio> freemangordon: because... it's in act_dead?
Nov 13 12:33:10 <kerio> i know what it looks like
Nov 13 12:33:27 <kerio> it turns on, then the screen goes blank, and "turning it on" has a slightly different led and it doesn't vibrate
Nov 13 12:33:32 <freemangordon> kerio: BTW you may check in syslog wor bootreason iirc
Nov 13 12:33:41 <freemangordon> *for
Nov 13 12:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: make sure you got no boostmode enabled
Nov 13 12:34:31 <kerio> i haven't
Nov 13 12:34:48 <chem|st> kerio: if you have no syslog it is somewhere in /proc/ or /sys/ I believe
Nov 13 12:34:59 <kerio> /proc/bootreason is sw_rst
Nov 13 12:35:06 <kerio> wat
Nov 13 12:35:09 <chem|st> at least the last 
Nov 13 12:35:18 <chem|st> software reset
Nov 13 12:35:29 <kerio> chem|st: i know, that's why i wat
Nov 13 12:35:32 <freemangordon> chem|st: won't do the job, as it is for the latest boot
Nov 13 12:35:40 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Nov 13 12:35:44 <kerio> it goes in act dead, i try to turn it on, it resets
Nov 13 12:35:45 <DocScrutinizer05> get syslog
Nov 13 12:35:52 <kerio> fine, i'll reenable syslog
Nov 13 12:36:00 <chem|st> freemangordon: I know, the question was why it booted up
Nov 13 12:36:13 <freemangordon> you exit act_dead with reboot iirc, that is where sw_rst comes from
Nov 13 12:36:21 <kerio> oh, so that's normal
Nov 13 12:36:27 <DocScrutinizer05> basically any enabled wakeup-IRQ can start it
Nov 13 12:36:54 <freemangordon> chem|st: he can get that only from dmesg output in syslog
Nov 13 12:36:57 <DocScrutinizer05> except of course when properly shut down, where only VBUS and powerbutton and RTC can power it up afaik
Nov 13 12:36:59 <kerio> this is seriously weird, it turned back on after a little while
Nov 13 12:37:02 <chem|st> thought in anycase pwr_btn if not started on its own
Nov 13 12:37:31 <vi__> Pali: where in /sys do i find the data listed from bq27x00?
Nov 13 12:37:33 <freemangordon> kerio: no charger/usb connected, right?
Nov 13 12:37:36 <kerio> freemangordon: ofc
Nov 13 12:37:40 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: there are "every minute" alarm modes for RTC
Nov 13 12:37:50 <Pali> vi__, do you know unix? :-)
Nov 13 12:37:57 <Pali> the find it yourself :-)
Nov 13 12:38:01 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: it shuts off properly if i halt from rescueOS, though
Nov 13 12:38:03 <vi__> hah!
Nov 13 12:38:04 <Pali> find /sys -name "bq*"
Nov 13 12:38:08 <Pali> :-)
Nov 13 12:38:14 <kerio> also, i have no alarms apart for the silly HAM update
Nov 13 12:38:18 <freemangordon> lol, pali 
Nov 13 12:38:22 <kerio> (set on a year, iirc)
Nov 13 12:38:27 <Pali> vi__, it is in /sys/class/power_supply/
Nov 13 12:38:57 <freemangordon> kerio: what happens if you remove the pattery long enough to reset RTC?
Nov 13 12:39:01 <freemangordon> *battery
Nov 13 12:39:05 <kerio> freemangordon: it would be like 10 minutes D:
Nov 13 12:39:25 <freemangordon> well, get syslog then
Nov 13 12:39:27 <vi__> derp
Nov 13 12:39:29 <kerio> i got syslog
Nov 13 12:39:39 <vi__> i was using the wrong n900.
Nov 13 12:39:45 <kerio> vi__: hahahah
Nov 13 12:43:26 <kerio> hrmpf, nothing in the syslog
Nov 13 12:43:41 <freemangordon> kerio: what is bootreason?
Nov 13 12:43:46 <kerio> sw_rst
Nov 13 12:43:53 <freemangordon> not the latest
Nov 13 12:43:53 <kerio> because i turned it on from the power button
Nov 13 12:43:54 <kerio> oh
Nov 13 12:43:59 <freemangordon> the one before that
Nov 13 12:44:31 <kerio> Nov 13 13:36:57 kerio900 kernel: [ 1460.333679] Bootup reason: sw_rst
Nov 13 12:44:35 <kerio> what the fuck
Nov 13 12:45:21 <kerio> that's the first bootup
Nov 13 12:45:49 <kerio> so... it just reboots instead of shutting down?
Nov 13 12:45:52 <MohammadAG> Could've rebooted half way through power up
Nov 13 12:46:06 <Hurrian> ooh, getting 0/0 battery level for Open DSME.
Nov 13 12:46:07 <kerio> MohammadAG: no, there are two powerups there
Nov 13 12:46:12 <Hurrian> s/DSME/BME/
Nov 13 12:46:12 <infobot> Hurrian meant: ooh, getting 0/0 battery level for Open BME.
Nov 13 12:46:30 <MohammadAG> kerio: both are sw_rst?
Nov 13 12:46:34 <kerio> MohammadAG: yep
Nov 13 12:46:45 <MohammadAG> Hmm
Nov 13 12:47:09 <kerio> ok, i shat down (sic!) from the menu now, let's see what syslog ends up as
Nov 13 12:47:20 <MohammadAG> Wtf does sic mean
Nov 13 12:47:45 <kerio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
Nov 13 12:47:48 <MohammadAG> Been seeing it more than yolo lately
Nov 13 12:48:37 <vi__> edging like a mad cunt.
Nov 13 12:48:47 <kerio> freemangordon: anyway, it's your and _ade_'s fault
Nov 13 12:48:48 <vi__> SWAG motherfucker.
Nov 13 12:49:05 <Hurrian> meh, uncalibrated battery. ugh.
Nov 13 12:49:25 <vi__> Hurrian: I have that also.
Nov 13 12:49:41 <vi__> It is not true though.
Nov 13 12:49:51 <Hurrian> whelp, time to drain battery to almost-dead and recharge.
Nov 13 12:51:16 <kerio> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1938976 ohohoho
Nov 13 12:51:22 <kerio> Pali: i think *it is* your fault!
Nov 13 12:51:31 <Hurrian> vi_, wat do
Nov 13 12:51:42 <kerio> Hurrian: bust a move
Nov 13 12:52:09 <Pali> MohammadAG, hi!
Nov 13 12:52:45 <kerio> Pali: dsme doesn't know the charger is off apparently?
Nov 13 12:52:47 <kerio> there's a "?" there
Nov 13 12:53:06 <Pali> 'DSME: shutdown request received from pid 937: /sbin/mce'
Nov 13 12:53:24 <Pali> my tools does not tell mce to shutdown
Nov 13 12:53:29 <kerio> i told mce to shutdown
Nov 13 12:53:31 <kerio> via powerbutton
Nov 13 12:53:36 <kerio> mce told dsme to shut down
Nov 13 12:53:40 <Pali> ok
Nov 13 12:53:42 <kerio> dsme decided to enter act_dead mode instead
Nov 13 12:53:44 <Pali> and what is problem then?
Nov 13 12:53:45 <MohammadAG> Heya Pali 
Nov 13 12:53:50 <kerio> the only weird thing is that "charger: off(?)" i think
Nov 13 12:54:23 <Pali> MohammadAG, first question for you: Do you have this harmatan flasher? http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23200&postcount=181
Nov 13 12:54:48 <Pali> seems that this version has more options as that from nokia
Nov 13 12:54:54 <Pali> from tablets-dev
Nov 13 12:55:00 <MohammadAG> I hope I still have it
Nov 13 12:55:15 <Pali> can you try to find it?
Nov 13 12:55:22 <MohammadAG> It was from the the N950's beta1 ocf
Nov 13 12:55:24 <MohammadAG> Sec
Nov 13 12:55:24 <kerio> this is the complete syslog, if anyone can help me... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1938990
Nov 13 12:55:31 <kerio> it stops at some point, because mozilla pastebin sucks
Nov 13 12:57:27 <Pali> MohammadAG, second question: you developed new battery appet: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery Year ago I created merge request for it and you wrote me that you merge my changes after you commit your chnages
Nov 13 12:58:12 <Pali> but until now you did not commited nothing...
Nov 13 12:58:18 <MohammadAG> I actually forgot about that
Nov 13 12:58:31 <MohammadAG> but I've been away for about two months for personal reasons
Nov 13 12:58:33 <Pali> I created new patches for your applet and now it is complete
Nov 13 12:58:49 <Pali> in my git repo: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-status-area-applet-battery
Nov 13 12:59:17 <Hurrian> Pali, I'm getting the same ACT_DEAD problems with shutdown with BME replacement
Nov 13 12:59:40 <kerio> yay, i'm not crazy! ^_^
Nov 13 12:59:46 <Pali> MohammadAG, if you are not against I will push my changes to cssu repo
Nov 13 13:00:01 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 13 13:00:05 <MohammadAG> can't seem to open firefox
Nov 13 13:00:11 <MohammadAG> what date was the flasher again Pali?
Nov 13 13:00:17 <MohammadAG> Pali, no, not against it :)
Nov 13 13:00:38 <Pali> flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan
Nov 13 13:00:40 <Pali> ok
Nov 13 13:01:20 <Pali> Hurrian, check if you have older replacement version of hald-addon-bme which creating huge log in /tmp/
Nov 13 13:01:34 <Pali> if yes upload log somewhere
Nov 13 13:01:51 <Hurrian> Pali, by replacment version you mean 1.0-1?
Nov 13 13:02:01 <Pali> if no wait until I compile last version of hald-addon-bme with log
Nov 13 13:02:16 <Pali> Hurrian, every replacement version has string 1.0-1
Nov 13 13:02:18 <Hurrian> I'm using the Nov 10 2012 version, newest on website
Nov 13 13:02:40 <Pali> check if you have file hald-addon-bme<something> file in /tmp/
Nov 13 13:03:04 <Pali> last version from my website is without log
Nov 13 13:03:15 <MohammadAG> Pali, think I don't have it
Nov 13 13:03:18 <MohammadAG> but just a sec to be sure
Nov 13 13:03:25 <Pali> seems that huge log is still needed
Nov 13 13:03:36 <Pali> going to compile version with log
Nov 13 13:05:14 <Pali> Hurrian, new verision with log output is on website
Nov 13 13:05:18 <kerio> Pali: i think that dsme gets confused and doesn't know there's not a charger connected
Nov 13 13:05:30 <Pali> kerio, install new version
Nov 13 13:05:36 <Pali> and I need log
Nov 13 13:05:51 <Pali> log is in /tmp/
Nov 13 13:06:11 <MohammadAG> anyone got the 22-6 OCF?
Nov 13 13:07:17 <Hurrian> Pali, how long should we run it before sending you log?
Nov 13 13:07:23 <Pali> I found flasher with google: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/n950-flasher-beta1/
Nov 13 13:07:28 <kerio> Pali: isn't /tmp a tmpfs?
Nov 13 13:07:28 <Pali> flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan
Nov 13 13:07:33 <Pali> flasher 3.11.3 (Apr 28 2011) Harmattan
Nov 13 13:07:46 <Pali> kerio, yes it is tmpfs (removed after reboot)
Nov 13 13:07:51 <MohammadAG> Pali, :)
Nov 13 13:08:00 <kerio> Pali: it's kinda useless, isn't it? :(
Nov 13 13:08:10 <Pali> Hurrian, upload log before going to shutdown
Nov 13 13:08:30 <Hurrian> Pali, alright
Nov 13 13:08:37 <Pali> hald-addon-bme does not watch any going to shutdown events...
Nov 13 13:09:10 <Pali> MohammadAG, problem is that version is static linked (useless for LD_PRELOAD hacking)
Nov 13 13:09:16 <Hurrian> Alright Pali, rebooting.
Nov 13 13:09:18 <vi_> Hurrian: no problem with act-dead here.
Nov 13 13:09:33 <MohammadAG> Pali, all of them are
Nov 13 13:09:40 <Pali> MohammadAG, but if you had also static linked version that it is useless too
Nov 13 13:09:49 <MohammadAG> Pali, reason is the N950 images came as one big .bin file
Nov 13 13:09:50 <Pali> version from deb package on tablets-dev is dynamic linked
Nov 13 13:09:58 <MohammadAG> and you simply ran that and it runs flasher from a tmp dir
Nov 13 13:10:01 <MohammadAG> so it won't install deps
Nov 13 13:10:12 <Pali> yes, I know
Nov 13 13:10:34 <MohammadAG> isn't it just libusb that's linked?
Nov 13 13:12:40 <Hurrian> Pali: http://pastebin.com/aVJ32TS5
Nov 13 13:13:29 <Hurrian> fresh startup, and the open status-menu-battery indicator reports "Battery 0% 0/0 mAh"
Nov 13 13:13:42 <Pali> libusb, libc, ...
Nov 13 13:13:43 <freemangordon> Pali: most probably it has something to do with kernel modules rather than hald-addon-bme
Nov 13 13:14:00 <vi_> Hurrian: are you using advanced power monitor?
Nov 13 13:14:13 <kerio> Hurrian: are you using KP51?
Nov 13 13:14:36 <Hurrian> kerio, KP52. vi_, nope.
Nov 13 13:14:48 <kerio> Hurrian: have you calibrated your battery?
Nov 13 13:14:55 <kerio> i mean, your bq27k
Nov 13 13:15:17 <Pali> Hurrian, wait 60s
Nov 13 13:15:18 <Hurrian> kerio, no, uncalibrated.
Nov 13 13:15:20 <kerio> hm
Nov 13 13:15:20 <Hurrian> apparently.
Nov 13 13:15:32 <Hurrian> I'll drain it under rescueOS, and recharge it.
Nov 13 13:15:32 <Pali> and also check if you have loaded rx51_battery kernel driver
Nov 13 13:15:41 <Hurrian> Pali, rx51_battery is in lsmod
Nov 13 13:15:47 <Pali> ok
Nov 13 13:15:49 <vi_> Hurrian: Where did you get a 'status-menu-battery' indicator that provides numerical values?
Nov 13 13:15:57 <kerio> Hurrian: try modprobe -r rx51_battery
Nov 13 13:16:00 <Hurrian> vi_, cssu-testing thread?
Nov 13 13:16:07 <kerio> vi_: it's Pali's :D
Nov 13 13:16:44 <Hurrian> kerio, unloading rx51_battery does nothing
Nov 13 13:16:54 <Pali> Hurrian problem is that power_supply_charge_full is 0
Nov 13 13:17:17 <kerio> Pali: i thought that an uncalibrated bq27k still provided dummy values
Nov 13 13:17:17 <Hurrian> Pali, so I need to calibrate?
Nov 13 13:17:40 <Pali> Hurrian, it battery is not calibrated it fallbacking to calculation from voltage
Nov 13 13:17:57 <Pali> Hurrian, please also check if you have last pre release kp52
Nov 13 13:18:18 <vi_> kerio: I know it is pali's but where the F do I get it?
Nov 13 13:18:23 <Pali> uname -a should report Nov 10 15:18
Nov 13 13:18:37 <Pali> vi_, look at CSSU testing thread
Nov 13 13:18:43 <kerio> dammit, mine is oct 12 D:
Nov 13 13:18:54 <kerio> Pali: you should say when you make new releases dammit
Nov 13 13:19:02 <freemangordon> kerio: he says
Nov 13 13:19:20 <freemangordon> but as ususlly you CBA to read
Nov 13 13:19:24 <Hurrian> Pali: Sat Nov 10 15:18:56
Nov 13 13:19:37 <Pali> kerio, I wrote it in kp thread
Nov 13 13:19:38 <Hurrian> pretty sure that's the latest
Nov 13 13:19:42 <Pali> Hurrian, ok
Nov 13 13:19:52 <Pali> Hurrian, then I need output from lshal
Nov 13 13:20:06 <freemangordon> kerio: install lates KP and check if your problem still persist
Nov 13 13:20:12 <freemangordon> *latest
Nov 13 13:20:30 <freemangordon> iirc there was some problem in some of bq drivers
Nov 13 13:20:39 <kerio> but... everything works for me :s
Nov 13 13:20:47 <freemangordon> no, it does not
Nov 13 13:20:47 <Hurrian> Pali, wait a bit
Nov 13 13:20:50 <kerio> apart for that thing that also fails for Hurrian
Nov 13 13:20:52 <freemangordon> you cannot shutdown
Nov 13 13:21:11 <kerio> freemangordon: that's a detail ;)
Nov 13 13:21:47 <freemangordon> no, that most probbaly means someone detects a charger is connected
Nov 13 13:22:11 <kerio> freemangordon: the logs say that dsme is confused about that, yes
Nov 13 13:22:19 <kerio> and instead of shutting down, it reboots into ACT_DEAD
Nov 13 13:22:39 <kerio> hrmpf, TMO's interface is so bad
Nov 13 13:22:44 <kerio> i can't find the link to the debs
Nov 13 13:23:15 <vi_> I can confirm, my test device also shows 0 for all items in status menu battery indicator.
Nov 13 13:23:25 <kerio> vi_: with an uncalibrated bq27200?
Nov 13 13:23:28 <Pali> Hurrian, kerio: can you reproduce problem with charger in dsme always?
Nov 13 13:23:45 <kerio> Pali: "almost" always, yes
Nov 13 13:23:50 <vi_> kerio: What counts as uncalibrated?
Nov 13 13:23:52 <freemangordon> hmm, "state change request: DSME_STATE_USER -> DSME_STATE_ACTDEAD"
Nov 13 13:23:58 <Pali> because hald-addon-bme sending charger state (connected/disconnected) only when state is changing (and not on startup!)
Nov 13 13:24:14 <kerio> Pali: ooh, maybe if i connect the charger it figures it out?
Nov 13 13:24:15 <vi_> kerio: I have the correct value in 'last measured discharge'.
Nov 13 13:24:17 <kerio> hold on, i'll try
Nov 13 13:24:17 <Pali> please test this: start up phone, connect charger, disconnect charger and power off
Nov 13 13:24:24 <freemangordon> Pali: dsme is confused on shutdown
Nov 13 13:24:41 <freemangordon> aah, i see
Nov 13 13:24:46 <Pali> maybe somebody must tell dsme initial status
Nov 13 13:24:52 <freemangordon> yeah, makes sense
Nov 13 13:25:28 <kerio> Pali: it seems to power down fine :)
Nov 13 13:25:41 <freemangordon> phew :D
Nov 13 13:25:41 <Pali> Hurrian can you confirm this?
Nov 13 13:26:04 <Hurrian> Pali, wait a bit
Nov 13 13:26:08 <Pali> ok
Nov 13 13:26:39 <kerio> Pali: where do the values in rx51_battery come from, btw?
Nov 13 13:26:48 <vi_> kerio: How do I calibrate my battery then?
Nov 13 13:26:54 <Pali> kerio, from madc channels
Nov 13 13:27:08 <kerio> vi_: i have a script for people who use the bme replacement, hold on
Nov 13 13:27:17 <freemangordon> kerio: the same place where BME gets them
Nov 13 13:27:18 <Pali> btw, hald-addon-bme should work also without calibration!
Nov 13 13:27:29 <Pali> please test this state too
Nov 13 13:27:50 <vi_> kerio: No wait, it is fine.
Nov 13 13:27:54 <kerio> vi_: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1939035
Nov 13 13:27:55 <vi_> kerio: ...
Nov 13 13:28:13 <vi_> kerio: I am using the wrong n900 again.  I have never calibrated this one.
Nov 13 13:28:15 <kerio> vi_: it boils down to "charge until VDQ, discharge until EDV1"
Nov 13 13:28:31 <freemangordon> Pali: when do you update values in status applet and in BME?
Nov 13 13:28:49 <Pali> status menu appet update values when hald-addon-bme change them
Nov 13 13:29:06 <freemangordon> and when ...bme change them?
Nov 13 13:29:09 <kerio> anyway, i should install the correct KP52
Nov 13 13:29:16 <kerio> Pali: did the modules change? are my backups still valid?
Nov 13 13:29:21 <vi_> kerio: Yeah, I have done that loads of times on the 'normal' n900.
Nov 13 13:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619a: thanks for the info
Nov 13 13:29:32 <kerio> vi_: but my script is neat!
Nov 13 13:29:40 <Pali> and hald-addon-bme updating when 1) bq2415x change state or 2) every 30s
Nov 13 13:29:44 <vi_> kerio: Yes it is.
Nov 13 13:29:56 <freemangordon> Pali: baad
Nov 13 13:30:01 <vi_> kerio: So is 'bq27x00 -5'.
Nov 13 13:30:23 <freemangordon> change that 30s to 60 
Nov 13 13:30:31 <kerio> freemangordon: why? :o
Nov 13 13:30:33 <Pali> why?
Nov 13 13:30:36 <Hurrian> Pali: http://pastebin.com/CZB2ur82
Nov 13 13:30:39 <freemangordon> and update them on mce_tkunlock
Nov 13 13:30:53 <kerio> freemangordon: ooh, neat!
Nov 13 13:31:00 <freemangordon> or keep 30, makes no sense
Nov 13 13:31:02 <DocScrutinizer05> MohammadAG: hi, long time no see
Nov 13 13:31:02 <Pali> freemangordon, this doing also stock hald-addon-bme?
Nov 13 13:31:12 <Pali> I see mce_tklock code, but it is not used
Nov 13 13:31:15 <freemangordon> yes, and iirc there was code for that
Nov 13 13:31:21 <freemangordon> exactly
Nov 13 13:31:37 <freemangordon> this is what this code is
Nov 13 13:31:41 <Hurrian> Pali: I posted lshal dump
Nov 13 13:31:46 <Pali> ok
Nov 13 13:31:49 <Pali> now parsing
Nov 13 13:31:58 <vi_> kerio: Did you write that script?
Nov 13 13:32:02 <freemangordon> Pali: that way you'll have valid values ready for the user to read them
Nov 13 13:32:19 <Pali> and update every 60s?
Nov 13 13:32:22 <kerio> vi_: yes, from an idea by the one who scrutinizes
Nov 13 13:32:29 <Hurrian> Also Pali, the plug in charger, unplug and poweroff works to cleanly shutdown device
Nov 13 13:32:48 <Pali> Hurrian, thanks for confirming
Nov 13 13:32:52 <kerio> vi_: rewritten in a neater way, and then rewritten again for the bme replacement
Nov 13 13:32:55 <freemangordon> Pali: yes
Nov 13 13:32:55 <vi_> kerio: It is cleanly done, I like it.
Nov 13 13:33:05 <freemangordon> iirc the original poll timeout was 60
Nov 13 13:33:31 <kerio> vi_: i threw that together kinda quickly, there are still too many paths around
Nov 13 13:33:38 <freemangordon> Pali: BTW what do you poll?
Nov 13 13:33:44 <Pali> Hurrian, your battery is not calibrated, but hald-addon-bme doing some calculation based on voltage
Nov 13 13:33:49 <Pali> so hald-addon-bme working fine
Nov 13 13:33:53 <vi_> kerio: 'threw it together!'...oh stoppit you!
Nov 13 13:34:04 <kerio> vi_: i mean the changes for openbme
Nov 13 13:34:12 <kerio> also :3
Nov 13 13:34:18 <Hurrian> Pali, so problem is in status area applet?
Nov 13 13:34:19 <Pali> Hurrian, then problem is in status menu appet
Nov 13 13:34:56 <Hurrian> Pali, got it. So that's why hald-addon-bme log still shows mV readings.
Nov 13 13:35:27 <Pali> hald-addon-bme reading every value (mV too)
Nov 13 13:35:41 <Pali> but it using as fallback when battery is not calibrated
Nov 13 13:35:55 <Pali> note that this value could not be correct
Nov 13 13:36:08 <Pali> but is usefull for battery is low signal
Nov 13 13:36:23 <kerio> Hurrian: the voltage is always accurate
Nov 13 13:36:34 <kerio> voltage and current don't depend on any calibration
Nov 13 13:36:47 <Hurrian> Ah, right. It was only capacity, right?
Nov 13 13:37:02 <kerio> "only", he says :)
Nov 13 13:37:23 <Pali> new version of hald-addon-bme updated
Nov 13 13:37:43 <Pali> test and report if shutdown working...
Nov 13 13:37:57 <kerio> Pali: hold on, i'm installing the new kp52
Nov 13 13:38:04 <freemangordon> Pali: hmm, look here https://gitorious.org/hald-addon-bme/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/src/hald-addon-bme.c#line124
Nov 13 13:38:12 <freemangordon> it is 6, not 60
Nov 13 13:38:20 <kerio> Pali: how do i make uboot again?
Nov 13 13:39:00 <Pali> freemangordon, right I will change it to 60
Nov 13 13:39:10 <Pali> kerio, reinstall uboot
Nov 13 13:39:12 <freemangordon> Pali: ^^^
Nov 13 13:39:18 <freemangordon> it is 6, not 60
Nov 13 13:39:23 <kerio> Pali: i mean with the kernel payload
Nov 13 13:39:25 <freemangordon> also look here https://gitorious.org/hald-addon-bme/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/src/hald-addon-bme.c#line678
Nov 13 13:39:35 <Pali> I know
Nov 13 13:39:54 <freemangordon> 60 might be too big underv heavy load
Nov 13 13:39:58 <freemangordon> *under
Nov 13 13:40:11 <Pali> kerio, u-boot-gen-combined
Nov 13 13:40:25 <Pali> freemangordon, so which interval?
Nov 13 13:40:33 <kerio> oh right, first i need to make the zImage an uImage
Nov 13 13:40:47 <freemangordon> Pali: stock is doing it every 6 seconds
Nov 13 13:40:47 <Pali> mkimage
Nov 13 13:41:09 <Hurrian> Pali, shutdown works properly now without charger in new hald-addon-bme ;)
Nov 13 13:41:11 <Hurrian> Anyways, Pali, I'm going to sleep for the night. Keep me updated on any fixes. I'll be watching the cssu-testing and kp51 threads.
Nov 13 13:41:15 <Hurrian> Goodnight, guys.
Nov 13 13:41:16 <kerio> Pali: found your instructions on tmo, ty
Nov 13 13:41:23 <freemangordon> Hurrian: night
Nov 13 13:41:32 <Pali> Hurrian, bye
Nov 13 13:41:40 <vi_> bb Hurrian 
Nov 13 13:42:11 <freemangordon> Pali: though 6 seconds seems to short interval to me. don;t know :(
Nov 13 13:42:26 <vi_> freemangordon: I certainly does.
Nov 13 13:42:35 <vi_> ^It
Nov 13 13:42:52 <freemangordon> Pali: do you have any notofication?
Nov 13 13:43:02 <freemangordon> *notification
Nov 13 13:43:13 <DocScrutinizer05> actually *NO* applet should do timer based refresh (excetp clock applet of course)
Nov 13 13:43:26 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: this is hald-addon-bme
Nov 13 13:44:18 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: the question is: should Pali keep the original poll interval of 6 seconds
Nov 13 13:45:10 <freemangordon> IIRC we'had discussed that. Unfortunately can;t remember the conclusions :)
Nov 13 13:45:41 <vi_> compromise, 15s
Nov 13 13:45:50 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, how often should hald-addon-bme read values from bq27x00_battery kernel driver?
Nov 13 13:45:53 <DocScrutinizer05> through whole system you follow (embedded but not only) concept of event driven action. An event might be created by a peripheral e.g. changging a value of some sensor
Nov 13 13:46:17 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, sure. But we don't have that
Nov 13 13:46:49 <freemangordon> Pali: make this 6 (like stock) and check for some env variable
Nov 13 13:47:21 <freemangordon> 10 wakeups per minute should not affect battery that much
Nov 13 13:47:41 <vi_> but imagine if it was only 4?
Nov 13 13:48:14 <DocScrutinizer05> all your desktop widgets whatever they are (status area, desktop, in a window,...) update on value change event, and on "to front" resp get-focus, resp visible/show
Nov 13 13:48:49 <freemangordon> vi_: we risk to not have enough charge to do proper shutdown
Nov 13 13:48:54 <freemangordon> hmm, wait
Nov 13 13:49:01 <Pali> freemangordon, and nokia bme also updating when mce unlock screen?
Nov 13 13:49:10 <freemangordon> Pali: yes
Nov 13 13:49:14 <freemangordon> Pal an idea
Nov 13 13:49:20 <freemangordon> Pali: ^^^
Nov 13 13:49:21 <Pali> so every 6 s + on unlock
Nov 13 13:49:43 <freemangordon> keep poll interval 60 seconds until the charge/voltage drops to a certain level
Nov 13 13:49:51 <freemangordon> yes
Nov 13 13:50:07 <freemangordon> thean shorten the period to lets say 20 seconds
Nov 13 13:50:32 <freemangordon> until voltage/charge drops to lets say 15%
Nov 13 13:50:37 <kerio> Pali: unrelated - what resets OSSO_VERSION actually?
Nov 13 13:50:41 <freemangordon> then check every 6 seconds
Nov 13 13:50:49 <freemangordon> Pali: ^^^ ?
Nov 13 13:51:02 <kerio> Pali: because flashing my uboot with softupd and flasher didn't change it
Nov 13 13:51:20 <DocScrutinizer05> kernel does monitoring of values around battery. Obviously bq27200 doesn't provide an IRQ for value change, and there's no genuine poll interval (unlike with bq24150). So kernel has to decide how often poll bq27200. I suggest to do this on a per-minute basis as long as voltage VBAT >3.6V, and on a 5s basis on lower VBAT
Nov 13 13:51:36 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, freemangordon beat me to it
Nov 13 13:51:46 <freemangordon> Pali: of course update values on mce unlock
Nov 13 13:52:21 <DocScrutinizer05> there has to be a genuine X event to refresh display
Nov 13 13:53:06 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: mce_tklock or something
Nov 13 13:53:12 <kerio> there's an event in mce
Nov 13 13:53:31 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g weather applet evidently does refresh (download new data) only when screen goes visible by whatever action/cause
Nov 13 13:53:53 <kerio> Pali: booted with current KP52 and current hald-addon-bme then shut down - no act_dead
Nov 13 13:54:03 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: that's nonsense since there are other cases where homescreen not visible
Nov 13 13:54:15 <kerio> A+++ would not enter act_dead again
Nov 13 13:54:22 <DocScrutinizer05> well, doesn't 100% apply for statusarea
Nov 13 13:54:31 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: battery applet? it's basically only with fullscreen applications
Nov 13 13:54:47 <kerio> also, the status applet is responsible for the "low battery" banners
Nov 13 13:54:54 <kerio> so there's not even that excuse
Nov 13 13:55:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet there's a similar event for status-area like there is in X for homescreen refresh
Nov 13 13:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> well, design is fubar even in original fremantle it seems. They did poll, a terribly BAD[TM] idea
Nov 13 13:56:49 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: stock hald-addon-bme does it on mce tk_lock "unlocked" dbus signal, I can't think of a reason why should we doit in a different way
Nov 13 13:56:51 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: does bq27k have no interrupts at all? :(
Nov 13 13:57:07 <DocScrutinizer05> since I guess it's asking for too much to sanitize that mess at root
Nov 13 13:57:23 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, what should the interrupt be?
Nov 13 13:57:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggest to follow fmg/my suggestion with variable poll freq
Nov 13 13:57:33 <kerio> changed VBAT?
Nov 13 13:57:55 <freemangordon> Pali: do you need any help with that?
Nov 13 13:58:13 <Pali> I will implement it
Nov 13 13:58:30 <freemangordon> Toldya i feel I know something GLIB/GTK :D:D:D
Nov 13 13:58:33 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 13 13:59:33 <freemangordon> though for the life of mine I still cannot understand how ot is possible to name a function "gtk_box_pack_start/end" :D
Nov 13 13:59:40 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: there are some few instances where maemo kernel actually creates proper interrupt. Not even on VBUS detection though, that's why bme/hald-addon is polling shit
Nov 13 14:00:17 <kerio> hold on, so the kernel still polls bq27k/bq24k?
Nov 13 14:00:23 <freemangordon> kerio: yes
Nov 13 14:00:33 <freemangordon> bq polls eevry 5 seconds
Nov 13 14:00:37 <freemangordon> *every
Nov 13 14:01:16 <kerio> so polling every 5 seconds could lead to you having up-to-10-seconds old data
Nov 13 14:01:17 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: BTW isn't there some GPIO connected to bq battery chip?
Nov 13 14:04:51 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: nope
Nov 13 14:04:58 <DocScrutinizer05> only I2C bus 2
Nov 13 14:05:21 <kerio> polling sucks :s
Nov 13 14:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> both bq chips don't really support IRQ
Nov 13 14:05:53 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: then how does the n900 figure out immediately that you plugged in the charger?
Nov 13 14:05:55 <DocScrutinizer05> bq24150 would, for error conditions, on OTG output
Nov 13 14:07:09 <Pali> twl4030 send some signal and kernel catch it
Nov 13 14:07:30 <Pali> then kernel musb code calling that detect fastcharger function
Nov 13 14:07:49 <vi_> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
Nov 13 14:07:49 <vi_>   apt kernel-power-flasher (due to apt)
Nov 13 14:07:49 <vi_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 515 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
Nov 13 14:07:49 <vi_> After this operation, 351MB disk space will be freed.
Nov 13 14:07:49 <vi_> You are about to do something potentially harmful.
Nov 13 14:07:50 <Pali> and after that bme changing bq2415x registers
Nov 13 14:07:51 <vi_> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
Nov 13 14:11:44 <kerio> vi_: don't dist-upgrade!
Nov 13 14:12:43 <vi_> kerio: try apt--get remove ruru*
Nov 13 14:24:23 <Pali> aaaaaaaa, somebody trying to hack my irc account
Nov 13 14:25:01 <Pali> Pali_!~servis@pat-ip-X-X-X-X.flarion.as5628.YYYYY failed to login to Pali.  There has been 2 failed login attempts since your last successful login.
Nov 13 14:25:06 <deepy\SIGSEGV> I'm innocent
Nov 13 14:34:09 <[DarkGUNMAN]> N900 finally gave in to 'Telephony functions Disabled' issue :(
Nov 13 14:36:31 <kerio> [DarkGUNMAN]: :(
Nov 13 14:36:54 <kerio> [DarkGUNMAN]: as usual, try a new sim and then try doing a full reflash
Nov 13 14:37:09 <vi_> 1 minute irc silence please for another fallen n900.
Nov 13 14:37:48 <kerio> nope
Nov 13 14:38:06 <kerio> well, to be fair i'm not speaking at home
Nov 13 14:38:18 <[DarkGUNMAN]> *trumpets the Last Post* she served me well.
Nov 13 14:38:30 <kerio> [DarkGUNMAN]: she's not dead yet
Nov 13 14:38:42 <[DarkGUNMAN]> I will try another sim, but the current one works fine in another phone
Nov 13 14:38:55 <kerio> [DarkGUNMAN]: get a new sim from your operator
Nov 13 14:39:10 <kerio> also it's still the best tablet ever :)
Nov 13 14:39:17 <kerio> it's got wifi and bluetooth
Nov 13 14:39:50 <[DarkGUNMAN]> other than that, the paper in the back trick stopped working
Nov 13 14:40:30 <[DarkGUNMAN]> too true, even if i can't resolve it, i'm keeipng it as a PEN testing device should my job need it in future
Nov 13 14:42:18 <MohammadAG> Hey DocScrutinizer05 
Nov 13 14:46:40 <vi_> ~rescueos
Nov 13 14:46:41 <infobot> rescue-os is probably http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
Nov 13 14:52:19 <amospalla> is rescueos loaded ondemand through usb everytime its used?
Nov 13 14:52:25 <kerio> amospalla: or via uboot
Nov 13 14:52:58 <amospalla> it sounds like bootmenu console
Nov 13 14:53:06 <kerio> no, not bootmenu
Nov 13 14:53:22 <amospalla> yes, I mean, it remembers me bootmenu console
Nov 13 14:53:24 <Pali> MohammadAG, are you still going to contribute to cssu?
Nov 13 14:53:39 <amospalla> but bootmenu console had some troubles afaik
Nov 13 14:53:49 <kerio> bootmenu never had a console iirc
Nov 13 14:53:54 <kerio> oh right, Pali's
Nov 13 14:54:08 <amospalla> kerio: is it difficult to add to uboot?
Nov 13 14:54:15 <kerio> amospalla: nah, Pali has the entry
Nov 13 14:54:20 <kerio> if you want i can pastebin it to you
Nov 13 14:54:31 <amospalla> that would be great
Nov 13 14:54:39 <amospalla> Ive never done anything with uboot
Nov 13 14:57:28 <kerio> amospalla: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1939164
Nov 13 14:57:33 <amospalla> it has a bootmenu, but was very fragile, better its ssh option
Nov 13 14:57:59 <amospalla> thanks, where should I put the files?
Nov 13 14:58:01 <kerio> then put 2.6.37 and rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img in /opt/boot and do u-boot-update-bootmenu
Nov 13 14:58:13 <kerio> that file is /etc/bootmenu.d/rescueos.item
Nov 13 14:58:26 <amospalla> thanks kerio
Nov 13 14:58:33 <MohammadAG> Pali: hopefully yes, its my first day back with free time though so bare with me :)
Nov 13 14:58:44 <kerio> it's kinda confusing because there's bootmenu that runs after the kernel is loaded, and uboot's bootmenu that runs in uboot
Nov 13 14:58:55 <Pali> MohammadAG :-)
Nov 13 15:06:05 <kerio> Pali: how quickly does /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log grow?
Nov 13 15:06:29 <Pali> kerio, do not know...
Nov 13 15:10:32 <peetah> kerio: 2.6.37 in /opt/boot ? I thought u-boot was looking at /boot to load kernels
Nov 13 15:11:20 <Pali> last version reading zImages from /opt/boot and also from /boot
Nov 13 15:12:04 <peetah> Pali: the rc3 version ?
Nov 13 15:12:26 <kerio> the latest version of u-boot-update-bootmenu
Nov 13 15:12:36 <Pali>  2012.10
Nov 13 15:12:39 <vi_> kerio: my battery status menu meter shows zero when I unplug the charger.
Nov 13 15:12:39 <kerio> uboot only reads from the first vfat partition on the emmc
Nov 13 15:12:46 <peetah> ok thanks
Nov 13 15:12:49 <kerio> vi_: QQ moar
Nov 13 15:12:53 <vi_> kerio: Is this normal for an un-calibrated battery?
Nov 13 15:13:01 <kerio> it shouldn't be normal, complain with Pali
Nov 13 15:13:06 <vi_> ~QQ
Nov 13 15:13:07 <infobot> dpkg: touch me there agian and I'll scream!
Nov 13 15:13:15 <vi_> wtf?
Nov 13 15:13:18 <Pali> vi_, check output in lshal
Nov 13 15:14:02 <kerio> my battery meter right now (plugged in the charger) is 52% charging 694/0 mAh
Nov 13 15:14:39 <kerio> ShadowJK: is it possible that my battery capacity is 1311mAh? did i botch the calibration somehow?
Nov 13 15:14:48 <kerio> it used to be 1270 or something like that
Nov 13 15:15:34 <kerio> it's a nokia bl5j, one with 1320mAh of titular capacity
Nov 13 15:17:46 <kerio> vi_: try rmmodding rx51_battery
Nov 13 15:17:52 <kerio> er, modprobe-ring
Nov 13 15:18:50 <vi_> nope, no change
Nov 13 15:19:18 <vi_> lshal | grep battery charging:
Nov 13 15:19:21 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/hF0esNUz
Nov 13 15:19:26 <vi_> lshal | grep battery discharging:
Nov 13 15:19:31 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/Xt2DHcJG
Nov 13 15:20:36 <kerio> Pali: hmm, the battery capacity in rx51_battery seems to change
Nov 13 15:20:38 <kerio> for some reason
Nov 13 15:20:45 <Pali> yes
Nov 13 15:21:08 <kerio> it seems to fluctuate towards the "correct" value though
Nov 13 15:21:12 <Pali> due to analog to digital conversion
Nov 13 15:21:34 <kerio> analog? what the fuck
Nov 13 15:21:59 <Pali> twl madc
Nov 13 15:22:36 <vi_> bq modules are definatley loaded, as is rx51_battery.
Nov 13 15:22:40 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Nov 13 15:22:46 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'.
Nov 13 15:23:01 <Pali> where is X-Fade?
Nov 13 15:23:16 <freemangordon> Pali: did you try to ping him?
Nov 13 15:23:25 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Nov 13 15:23:30 <Pali> yes :-)
Nov 13 15:23:32 <freemangordon> PM him?
Nov 13 15:23:36 <freemangordon> mail him
Nov 13 15:23:49 <freemangordon> send him a hooker
Nov 13 15:24:14 <Pali> pm sent
Nov 13 15:24:54 <kerio> Pali: what the hell, now the animation is the one of the charging battery but the text doesn't say "charging"
Nov 13 15:25:51 <Pali> bug
Nov 13 15:26:32 <kerio> dammit pali! :(
Nov 13 15:26:34 <Pali> seems that I need to add debug output of battery status menu plugin
Nov 13 15:29:12 <vi_> Pali: what is the bme replacement event.d named?
Nov 13 15:29:23 <Pali> bme
Nov 13 15:29:29 <vi_> mmm
Nov 13 15:29:37 <vi_> when I 'stop bme'
Nov 13 15:29:46 <vi_> I am told bme allready stopped.
Nov 13 15:31:33 <Pali> bme is only task event.d
Nov 13 15:31:42 <Pali> which one time load needed modules
Nov 13 15:31:57 <Pali> there is no bme daemon
Nov 13 15:32:16 <vi_> Pali: aah yes. that makes sense,
Nov 13 15:35:38 <DocScrutinizer05> MohammadAG: well, your first day back? then welcome home, pal!
Nov 13 15:35:53 <ivgalvez> MohammadAG ping
Nov 13 15:36:18 <ivgalvez> I've pestered you for ages about applications you have stucked at testing
Nov 13 15:36:33 <ivgalvez> I hope you could find some time to promote them 
Nov 13 15:52:55 <vi_> Pali: With an uncalibrated battery, will the status menu applet always show empty (0/0mAh)?
Nov 13 15:53:34 <Pali> vi_, are you using hald-addon-bme replacement?
Nov 13 15:53:49 <Pali> if yes, then it should not write 0/0
Nov 13 15:54:11 <Pali> new hald-addon-bme calculate capacity from voltage (some approximation) if battery is uncalibrated
Nov 13 15:55:33 <vi_> yes I am using hald-addon-bme replacement.
Nov 13 15:55:51 <vi_> I just 'dpkg -i' it and rebooted to be sure.
Nov 13 15:56:40 <freemangordon> Pali: can I setui some gio on file in /sys, so if someone writes in it my code to be notified?
Nov 13 15:56:51 <freemangordon> *setup
Nov 13 15:57:51 <Pali> freemangordon, only if that kernel module which own that sysfile calling notify function after change
Nov 13 15:57:56 <freemangordon> or a simple select will do the job too?
Nov 13 15:58:13 <freemangordon> Pali: I talk about write from userland
Nov 13 15:58:21 <freemangordon> not kernel changing the values
Nov 13 15:58:54 <Pali> freemangordon, files in /sys are owned by kernel modules and sysfs is not normal filesystem
Nov 13 15:59:01 <freemangordon> I know that
Nov 13 15:59:17 <Pali> you cannot wait until somebody write to that file
Nov 13 15:59:33 <freemangordon> can't I do select?
Nov 13 15:59:34 <Pali> you can only wait if kernel module call notify function
Nov 13 16:00:03 <Pali> select will return only if kernel module call notify function
Nov 13 16:00:15 <Pali> !not when userland app write to sysfs file!
Nov 13 16:00:43 <freemangordon> thu fuck
Nov 13 16:00:53 <Pali> what you need?
Nov 13 16:00:58 <Pali> which sysfs file?
Nov 13 16:01:21 <freemangordon> "/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/rds_ps_name" and rds_radio_text
Nov 13 16:03:49 <Pali> radio-si4713.c does not call notify
Nov 13 16:03:56 <kerio> freemangordon: poll dat shit!
Nov 13 16:03:57 <kerio> :D
Nov 13 16:04:01 <Pali> so no select
Nov 13 16:04:11 <freemangordon> yeah, I see
Nov 13 16:04:15 <Pali> poll will not work too
Nov 13 16:04:48 <freemangordon> stupid fmtxd
Nov 13 16:04:55 <Pali> because poll wait for same event...
Nov 13 16:04:59 <freemangordon> Nokia broke it with pr1.3
Nov 13 16:05:08 <Pali> freemangordon, going to replace fmtxd? :-)
Nov 13 16:05:12 <jacekowski> freemangordon: what?
Nov 13 16:05:17 <freemangordon> no, enough RE for now
Nov 13 16:05:33 <jacekowski> freemangordon: have you seen my FMTXD?
Nov 13 16:05:55 <freemangordon> jacekowski: seen? no, but heard of it :)
Nov 13 16:06:05 <freemangordon> maybe I should use it
Nov 13 16:06:10 <jacekowski> freemangordon: it's fmtxd that works
Nov 13 16:06:13 <jacekowski> no power limits
Nov 13 16:06:15 <jacekowski> no frequency limits
Nov 13 16:06:21 <freemangordon> KP has no power limits too
Nov 13 16:06:31 <freemangordon> no,no it is RDS that drives me mad
Nov 13 16:06:33 <ivgalvez> I already proposed that ages ago
Nov 13 16:06:49 <jacekowski> RDS behaviour has not changed since 1.1
Nov 13 16:07:51 <freemangordon> jacekowski: mabe for you, but for me it has changed. Nokia broke it in such a way, that it shows only "NOKIA" as RDS text if you don;t have descent radio
Nov 13 16:07:56 <freemangordon> *maybe
Nov 13 16:08:57 <vi_> Pali: 'lshal | grep level' shows I have a battery level of 0.
Nov 13 16:09:04 <freemangordon> song/album/etc is in RDS text section, which is not supported on older tuners
Nov 13 16:09:16 <Pali> I need full lshal output
Nov 13 16:09:28 <vi_> lshal | grep battery charging:
Nov 13 16:09:37 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/hF0esNUz
Nov 13 16:09:43 <vi_> lshal | grep battery discharging:
Nov 13 16:09:49 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/Xt2DHcJG
Nov 13 16:09:51 <Pali> this log is useless too
Nov 13 16:10:00 <Pali> I need full lshal log
Nov 13 16:10:12 <Pali> or at least hal-device bme
Nov 13 16:10:28 <Pali> hal-device <computer_full_name_of_bq...>
Nov 13 16:10:33 <Pali> and more
Nov 13 16:10:48 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/4kRB2xQV
Nov 13 16:10:56 <vi_> ^hal-device bme
Nov 13 16:10:56 <freemangordon> jacekowski: and it is not only when you play music. There is a widget in extras who tries to do some stuff, like showing the name of the caller, etc using RDS
Nov 13 16:11:06 <freemangordon> unfortunately it is buggi as hell
Nov 13 16:11:10 <freemangordon> *buggy
Nov 13 16:11:24 <vi_> http://pastebin.com/Q04navjZ
Nov 13 16:11:26 <vi_> ^lshal
Nov 13 16:11:37 <jacekowski> freemangordon: they've changed that in 1.2
Nov 13 16:11:45 <jacekowski> freemangordon: and it's supposed to work like that
Nov 13 16:12:24 <jacekowski> freemangordon: you're not supposed to have any changing text in that RDS field because it's displayed on car radios
Nov 13 16:12:46 <Pali> http://wiki.meego.com is working again
Nov 13 16:12:58 <freemangordon> sure, it follows the standard, but that does not makes it more usable for me
Nov 13 16:13:02 <Pali> [17:11:34] <X-Fade> Maemo wiki is broken because of our own auth plugin not being compatible with newer version of mediawiki.
Nov 13 16:13:29 <freemangordon> jacekowski: to not have changing text? why?
Nov 13 16:13:48 <jacekowski> freemangordon: so it doesn't distract the driver
Nov 13 16:13:55 <freemangordon> aah, ok
Nov 13 16:13:59 <freemangordon> very smart
Nov 13 16:14:29 <jacekowski> that's what's in the spec
Nov 13 16:14:46 <freemangordon> jacekowski: well, this is as stupid as it could be, having in mind GPS systems
Nov 13 16:15:08 <freemangordon> I know this is according to specs
Nov 13 16:15:16 <vi_> Pali: have syslog too but it is simply full of a list of 'battery not calibrated' messages.
Nov 13 16:15:22 <freemangordon> but it is useless as it is
Nov 13 16:15:49 <Pali> vi_, I do not need syslog
Nov 13 16:16:16 <Pali> vi_, rx51_battery is OK
Nov 13 16:17:26 <Pali> vi, bq2415x is OK
Nov 13 16:17:42 <Pali> vi_, bq27x00 is OK (but not calibrated)
Nov 13 16:18:23 <teotwaki> That moment when you realise that the archiving process wasn't as failproof as you'd been told: Fuck.
Nov 13 16:18:35 <kerio> teotwaki: which archiving process?
Nov 13 16:18:44 <teotwaki> Something at work.
Nov 13 16:18:51 <Pali> vi_, hald-addon-bme reports: 63% (801/1272) Charging
Nov 13 16:19:00 <teotwaki> The past 5 years worth of Call Data Records.
Nov 13 16:19:04 <Pali> so hald-addon-bme seems working
Nov 13 16:19:09 <freemangordon> jacekowski: any clue what that is:
Nov 13 16:19:12 <freemangordon> "signal sender=:1.312 -> dest=(null destination) serial=85 path=/com/nokia/fmtx/default; interface=com.nokia.FMTx.Device; member=Changed"
Nov 13 16:19:15 <Pali> so problem is in status menu battery plugin
Nov 13 16:19:39 <Pali> vi_, are you using orignal nokia or my replacement of status menu battery plugin?
Nov 13 16:19:47 <vi_> Your replacement.
Nov 13 16:20:02 <Pali> ok, so there is bug in my plugin
Nov 13 16:20:53 <vi_> well it WAS working when I first installed it.
Nov 13 16:21:07 <vi_> I then uninstalled advanced-power-monitor.
Nov 13 16:21:19 <vi_> After that it stopped working.
Nov 13 16:21:19 <kerio> oh
Nov 13 16:21:21 <kerio> :s
Nov 13 16:21:25 <kerio> just reinstall the applet
Nov 13 16:21:36 <vi_> kerio: I have done x50
Nov 13 16:21:44 <kerio> you probably suck
Nov 13 16:21:48 <kerio> purge both, install Pali's
Nov 13 16:21:49 <vi_> ;/
Nov 13 16:21:53 <kerio> and then reboot
Nov 13 16:21:54 <vi_> :/
Nov 13 16:22:00 <kerio> ;\
Nov 13 16:22:03 <vi_> kerio: Like 100x now
Nov 13 16:25:31 <Pali> problem with autobuilder: [17:22:14] <X-Fade> the script is incompatible with a newer version of python
Nov 13 16:29:54 <vi_> does anyone know what the stock battery status applet is called?
Nov 13 16:30:01 <vi_> What package am I looking for?
Nov 13 16:33:20 <Pali> status-area-applet-battery
Nov 13 16:33:29 <Pali> just downgrade it
Nov 13 16:46:57 <kerio> Pali: anyway, i had no problems with the old hald-addon-bme
Nov 13 16:46:58 <kerio> :c
Nov 13 16:47:09 <kerio> old=the one with no logging
Nov 13 16:47:20 <Pali> kerio, there was bug
Nov 13 16:47:22 <kerio> =and with the KP52 from october
Nov 13 16:47:39 <kerio> Pali: yeah, but at least charging meant charging and no charging meant no charging
Nov 13 16:48:40 <Pali> kerio, I updated hald-addon-bme, now it refresh values when display is unlocked
Nov 13 16:48:52 <Pali> and also pushed source code to gitorious
Nov 13 16:51:46 <kerio> ~pali
Nov 13 16:51:55 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: give infobot a kick
Nov 13 16:52:06 <vi_> Well I do not get it.
Nov 13 16:52:17 <vi_> The applet just shows all zeros and an empty battery.
Nov 13 16:52:42 <kerio> Pali: maybe there's a bug in the noncalibration detection?
Nov 13 16:52:51 <vi_> When the charger is attached it shows charging graphic and all zeros.
Nov 13 16:53:44 <vi_> If I rmmod  bq27x00_battery
Nov 13 16:54:13 <vi_> If I rmmod bq27x00_battery it shows empty battery graphic an 0/1247mAh.
Nov 13 16:54:27 <vi_> And stops charging.
Nov 13 16:54:57 <vi_> If I then modprobe bq27x00 it goes back to all zeros.
Nov 13 16:55:05 <Pali> vi_, what that reports? hald-addon-bme?
Nov 13 16:55:14 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: done
Nov 13 16:55:17 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: thanks
Nov 13 16:56:20 <kerio> infobot: hi
Nov 13 16:56:22 <infobot> hi, kerio
Nov 13 16:56:26 <kerio> ^_^
Nov 13 16:56:27 <kerio> ~pali
Nov 13 16:56:29 <infobot> i guess pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
Nov 13 16:56:46 <vi_> Pali: that is what the status area applet shows.
Nov 13 16:57:01 <Pali> ok, so problem is in status area applet
Nov 13 16:57:11 <Pali> wait until I patch applet to provide debug ingo
Nov 13 16:57:14 <Pali> *info
Nov 13 16:57:17 <vi_> o0k
Nov 13 17:01:30 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how to set some highlight on generic joun/nick/quit actions and other [info] msgs
Nov 13 17:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> in Kontact
Nov 13 17:13:05 <Woody14619b> Docscrutinizer05: FWIW, if others are making wiki/repo backups, would it be possible to setup a torrent of said items?  That would allow others to share such info, ensure multiple backups, and allow less personal load per person network wise...
Nov 13 17:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619b: why not?
Nov 13 17:24:26 <DocScrutinizer05> though apt-mirror can mirror arbitrary other mirrors
Nov 13 17:24:38 <DocScrutinizer05> wiki backup is <50MB compressed
Nov 13 17:25:14 <DocScrutinizer05> afk, bbl
Nov 13 18:12:32 <cjdavies> seems that changing user's shell to bash4 breaks easydebian, as it seems to try to execute bash4 within the debian chroot
Nov 13 18:12:35 <cjdavies> woe is me
Nov 13 18:12:45 <cjdavies> just after I installed debian _on a phone_
Nov 13 18:13:49 <DocScrutinizer51> hi cjdavies 
Nov 13 18:14:03 <cjdavies> 'sup DocScrutinizer51 
Nov 13 18:14:19 <DocScrutinizer51> still flu
Nov 13 18:15:23 <cjdavies> kill it with fire
Nov 13 18:15:25 <cjdavies> or, amantadine
Nov 13 18:15:27 <cjdavies> your choice
Nov 13 18:18:03 <kerio> cjdavies: it's easy to break easydebian
Nov 13 18:18:09 <kerio> the whole infrastructure is a piece of crap
Nov 13 18:18:20 <cjdavies> the concept is fun though
Nov 13 18:18:21 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
Nov 13 18:18:23 <kerio> indeed
Nov 13 18:18:25 <cjdavies> it's debian _on a phone_
Nov 13 18:18:29 <cjdavies> this still entertains me
Nov 13 18:18:29 <kerio> it's the execution that i find lacking
Nov 13 18:18:35 * cjdavies is maybe easily pleased
Nov 13 18:18:36 <kerio> cjdavies: dude, your n900 is already debian on a phone
Nov 13 18:18:46 <kerio> anyway, it's kinda easy to fix i suppose
Nov 13 18:18:55 <kerio> mount the image, ln -s bin/bash bin/bash4
Nov 13 18:19:00 <DocScrutinizer51> nah, linux on the phone is for the real men
Nov 13 18:19:13 <DocScrutinizer51> no matter which flavor
Nov 13 18:19:20 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: android!
Nov 13 18:19:31 <DocScrutinizer51> that's no linux
Nov 13 18:19:40 <kerio> the kernel is right
Nov 13 18:20:03 <DocScrutinizer51> particularly kernel isn't afaik
Nov 13 18:20:18 <DocScrutinizer51> wkaelocks
Nov 13 18:20:24 <DocScrutinizer51> whatnot else
Nov 13 18:20:44 <cjdavies> so if I just do mkdir /foo && mount /home/user/MyDocs/<image>.ext3 /foo && ln -s /foo/bin/bash /foo/bin/bash4 I should be giddy?
Nov 13 18:20:59 <kerio> cjdavies: i suppose so
Nov 13 18:21:08 <kerio> i'm just guessing here
Nov 13 18:21:24 <kerio> but "/bin/bash4" is not found anywhere in debian afaik
Nov 13 18:21:32 <kerio> (and for good reasons)
Nov 13 18:22:27 <cjdavies> what if I make a symlink in debian called /bin/bash4 that points to /bin/bash ..?
Nov 13 18:24:36 <raccoon_> DocScrutinizer51, kerio: android is based on linux, both file system layout and kernel, but the similarities stops at "based on". android has made lots of changes, most of them will not make it back into mainline linux kernel.
Nov 13 18:25:01 <kerio> cjdavies: that's what i told you to do
Nov 13 18:25:26 <cjdavies> seems to work
Nov 13 18:25:27 <cjdavies> :)
Nov 13 18:25:46 * cjdavies should change .bashrc to indicate when in chroot
Nov 13 18:25:49 <cjdavies> bad things happen otherwise
Nov 13 18:26:08 <kerio> cjdavies: you should get a notification
Nov 13 18:26:15 <raccoon_> i heard android devs could not be arsed to maintain their own patches, which kinda sets the bar of their involvement in linux dev :-P
Nov 13 18:26:27 <cjdavies> well yes, but I like it when the prompt has a RED TEXT added to it to indicate that I'm in a chroot
Nov 13 18:26:55 <cjdavies> typing a destructive command into a terminal that you think is a chroot only to realise a few seconds later that it's the host filesystem....
Nov 13 18:26:58 <cjdavies> is not fun
Nov 13 18:27:51 <ZogG_laptop> sup
Nov 13 18:28:00 <kerio> tadzik: done copying?
Nov 13 18:28:33 <kerio> tadzik: you should probably (make a copy of your image and then) zero out the first 512 bytes so that nothing thinks that that partition table is actually valid
Nov 13 18:29:47 <Woody14619b> DocScrutinizer05: K.  Would be nice to set that up and publicize it a bit.  Sharing anything community related like that would be nice, since it would prevent accidental DoS attacks on the servers. :)
Nov 13 18:30:16 <Woody14619b> DocScrutinizer05:  Also, something to add to the list of things for Council to do:  http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293889&postcount=177
Nov 13 18:31:07 <kerio> Woody14619b: i think that "attack" implies malevolence
Nov 13 18:31:56 <Woody14619b> not always kerio.  Sometimes people do things that they think should be just fine, like running a bot or script to do some task.
Nov 13 18:32:10 <kerio> yeah but those aren't DoS attacks
Nov 13 18:32:25 <Woody14619b> But if that task winds up causing that service to crash, or prevents others from accessing it....
Nov 13 18:32:33 <Woody14619b> Fine.. what would you call it then?
Nov 13 18:33:02 <Woody14619b> If I ran a script that sucked up all the bandwidth for the wiki as it backed it up, and others couldn't access it while it ran, what is that called?
Nov 13 18:33:22 <kerio> a dick move
Nov 13 18:33:39 <kerio> :P
Nov 13 18:33:48 <Woody14619b> Being a native English speaker, I would use the term DoS attack.  Attack does not always imply malevolence.
Nov 13 18:33:56 <kerio> my point is that it can't be an accidental DoS attack, it's either an accidental DoS or a DoS attack
Nov 13 18:34:22 <Woody14619b> One can be attacked by an animal that is protecting its children.  The animal is not malevolent... It simply is protecting itself.
Nov 13 18:34:39 <Woody14619b> Yet it's still called an attack.
Nov 13 18:35:17 <kerio> hm
Nov 13 18:35:20 <Woody14619b> What you perceive as an accident, the rest of the world sees as an attack.  It's that simple.
Nov 13 18:35:32 <kerio> k, makes sense
Nov 13 18:35:50 <Woody14619b> If I accidentally shoot you, you're still shot...  
Nov 13 18:35:54 <Woody14619b> :)
Nov 13 18:36:03 <kerio> yeah but don't shoot me
Nov 13 18:36:29 <Woody14619b> Anyway... back to work.  But yes, just want to make sure people don't all start trying to archive everything directly, preventing anyone from doing so fully.
Nov 13 18:36:56 <Woody14619b> Much better to have a P2P share of one good snapshot than 50 bad snapshots and the server going poof because of accidental abuse. :)
Nov 13 18:40:29 <tadzik> kerio: still going
Nov 13 18:40:52 <tadzik> kerio: there's another thing thogh: maemo sees my contacts and sms-ses
Nov 13 18:41:17 <tadzik> they aren't gone, and I'd like to keep them that way
Nov 13 18:41:24 <tadzik> /home/user generally seems ok, just not MyDocs
Nov 13 18:41:27 <kerio> hm
Nov 13 18:41:38 <kerio> yes, reflashing vanilla will bork those
Nov 13 18:41:53 <kerio> can't you sync them?
Nov 13 18:42:10 <tadzik> I probably can, I need to figure out some sensemaking way to do it
Nov 13 18:42:16 <tadzik> what would you recommend?
Nov 13 18:42:21 <kerio> either sync them or copy the files somewhere
Nov 13 18:42:23 <tadzik> I don't have MyDocs to copy them to
Nov 13 18:42:28 <kerio> idk, i use apple's iSync
Nov 13 18:42:29 <tadzik> I can use an SDcard, maybe
Nov 13 18:43:05 <kerio> i think it's just a matter of copying files and copying them back afterwards
Nov 13 18:43:09 <tadzik> right
Nov 13 18:43:10 <kerio> oh, you could use the official Backup app
Nov 13 18:43:19 <tadzik> but where would it store the .tgz?
Nov 13 18:43:25 <kerio> on a uSD
Nov 13 18:43:51 <tadzik> yeah, that'd work
Nov 13 18:43:56 <tadzik> (I hope :))
Nov 13 18:44:36 <tadzik> ok, mydocs copied
Nov 13 18:45:03 <tadzik> now osso-usb-<TAB>-disable.sh, yes?
Nov 13 18:45:36 <kerio> tadzik: i haven't gone that far
Nov 13 18:45:38 <kerio> but yeah
Nov 13 18:45:59 <kerio> or maybe osso-usb-whatever-disable.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 13 18:46:12 <tadzik> yeah, did this
Nov 13 18:46:13 <kerio> or just unplug the usb :)
Nov 13 18:46:20 <tadzik> it shouldn't matter, really :)
Nov 13 18:46:36 <kerio> anyway, now that you have a copy, sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 13 18:46:59 <kerio> and start working on recovering data from the vfat partition on your laptop
Nov 13 18:47:03 <tadzik> you mean on device?
Nov 13 18:47:05 <kerio> maybe you won't need to reflash
Nov 13 18:47:06 <kerio> yes
Nov 13 18:47:17 <kerio> hell, you didn't need to reflash at all imo
Nov 13 18:47:28 <tadzik> done
Nov 13 18:47:35 <kerio> tadzik: now reboot
Nov 13 18:47:46 <tadzik> now mount?
Nov 13 18:47:48 <tadzik> ok
Nov 13 18:49:15 <tadzik> kerio: okay, it now sees MyDocs
Nov 13 18:49:24 <tadzik> with all those funny stuff created
Nov 13 18:49:27 <kerio> yay
Nov 13 18:49:35 <tadzik> so, huge success? :)
Nov 13 18:49:49 <kerio> only if you manage to recover the bulk of your data :)
Nov 13 18:50:09 <tadzik> yeah. Only Moderate Success now :)
Nov 13 18:50:28 <tadzik> then I'll need to sort out pictures from the camera from gigabytes of maps of germany...
Nov 13 18:51:42 <kerio> ohohoho
Nov 13 18:51:54 <kerio> well, i think map tiles are square and kinda small
Nov 13 18:52:00 <kerio> so dick around with imagemagick :)
Nov 13 18:52:11 <DocScrutinizer05> (DoS, accidental abuse) merlin1991 created a XML backup of wiki, it's on the servers mentioned in that "resources" thread
Nov 13 18:52:15 <tadzik> maybe just sorting by size :)
Nov 13 18:52:20 <kerio> you probably lost "minor" things like the filenames
Nov 13 18:52:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and on maemo.cloud-7.de
Nov 13 18:52:29 <tadzik> yeah, I've been through that :)
Nov 13 18:52:49 <tadzik> so, cssu and thumb now :)
Nov 13 18:52:53 <kerio> hahahaha
Nov 13 18:52:54 <tadzik> kerio: thank you very much for your help
Nov 13 18:52:58 <kerio> fuck yeah
Nov 13 18:53:00 <tadzik> I owe you one :)
Nov 13 18:53:25 <DocScrutinizer05> it's one friggin large 700+MB XML file, plus all the .$img files
Nov 13 18:53:39 <DocScrutinizer05> only 40+MB compressed though
Nov 13 18:54:41 <kerio> 40MB of compressed text is quite a lot of text
Nov 13 18:55:01 <DocScrutinizer05> that's whole wiki
Nov 13 18:55:05 <tadzik> well, xml ;)
Nov 13 18:56:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/
Nov 13 18:56:34 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Nov 13 18:57:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo wiki-backup is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki/  http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/wiki/  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wiki.bz2
Nov 13 18:57:56 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Nov 13 19:01:40 <tadzik> ha! Mahjong's hiscores aren't lost either
Nov 13 19:06:32 <freemangordon> tadzik: any news re opera 12?
Nov 13 19:06:52 <freemangordon> it still segfaults like mad
Nov 13 19:07:15 <freemangordon> and unfortunately not a word from the maintainer
Nov 13 19:07:24 <tadzik> freemangordon: yeah, userjs going apeshit
Nov 13 19:08:22 <tadzik> forgot to ask him today
Nov 13 19:08:23 <freemangordon> tadzik: hmm, thats pretty old news :P
Nov 13 19:08:27 <tadzik> yeah, I know ;)
Nov 13 19:08:31 <tadzik> but I can reproduce it now
Nov 13 19:08:35 <tadzik> ...maybe not now
Nov 13 19:08:38 <freemangordon> good
Nov 13 19:08:58 <freemangordon> tadzik: it segfaults as long as you open a site
Nov 13 19:09:04 <freemangordon> *as soon
Nov 13 19:10:22 <tadzik> yeah
Nov 13 19:14:09 <kerio> freemangordon: i confirm that
Nov 13 19:14:27 <tadzik> I was apparently the only one who didn't notice :)
Nov 13 19:16:04 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, is somebody going to create backup of meego wiki?
Nov 13 19:16:12 <freemangordon> tadzik: well, we are actually using opera :P
Nov 13 19:16:43 <tadzik> yeah, that was the reason 12.1 is there :)
Nov 13 19:32:21 <RzR> merlin1991, hi may that one be mirrored too
Nov 13 19:47:49 <teleshoes> anyone know how to get in touch with estel until his tmo ban is lifted?
Nov 13 19:48:28 <tadzik> tmo ban? I sure missed some fun
Nov 13 19:48:33 <teleshoes> like, does he hang out here sometimes?
Nov 13 19:48:56 <teleshoes> yea
Nov 13 19:49:01 <teleshoes> i missed it too, and the posts
Nov 13 19:49:03 <teleshoes> are gone
Nov 13 19:49:12 <grammoboy> any idea why cutetube doesn't find youtube videos?
Nov 13 19:51:05 <kerio> hahaha fucking awesome
Nov 13 19:51:09 <teleshoes> he got double banned
Nov 13 19:52:04 <teleshoes> and it probably wont be lifted for a month or whatever
Nov 13 19:52:22 <teleshoes> annoying that you cant send/receive PMs when someone is banned
Nov 13 19:52:36 <teleshoes> like on an opt-in basis
Nov 13 19:53:02 <teleshoes> does anyone know if he does come on here occasionally, or another freenode or something?
Nov 13 19:53:43 <kerio> teleshoes: he was banned from here
Nov 13 19:54:06 <teleshoes> aww
Nov 13 19:54:20 <teleshoes> ugh
Nov 13 19:54:35 <teleshoes> on all freenode? or just this chat?
Nov 13 19:54:46 <teleshoes> i dont really know what 'banned' means in the context of irc
Nov 13 19:54:53 <tadzik> from this channel, I guess
Nov 13 19:55:07 <tadzik> I don't think tmo has power over entire freenode :)
Nov 13 19:55:12 <teleshoes> heh
Nov 13 19:55:23 <teleshoes> i wish everything wasnt always for personally charged
Nov 13 19:56:26 <teleshoes> i guess...i just cant talk to estel for a month
Nov 13 19:57:36 <NIN101> send him an email?
Nov 13 19:58:09 <NIN101> (so he devotes his time to answer/read it and so stops annoying the mailing list)
Nov 13 19:58:20 <tadzik> :>
Nov 13 20:10:50 <teleshoes> dont have an email, and dunno if you should publicly share it
Nov 13 20:10:58 <teleshoes> for estel that is
Nov 13 20:11:08 <tadzik> a mailing list was mentioned. Join facts
Nov 13 20:11:42 <teleshoes> sorry?
Nov 13 20:11:59 <tadzik> do you know what a mailing list is?
Nov 13 20:12:01 <teleshoes> yes
Nov 13 20:13:59 <tadzik> then if Estel is on one, finding his email is not too hard :)
Nov 13 20:14:22 <teleshoes> i would need the mailserver and the list name to do so, yes?
Nov 13 20:14:37 <tadzik> well, yes
Nov 13 20:15:11 <teleshoes> im sorry for my ignorance; should i be able to deduce it?
Nov 13 20:15:34 <tadzik> It's probably mentioned on maemo wiki or somewhere
Nov 13 20:15:43 <teleshoes> mm
Nov 13 20:15:44 <teleshoes> ok
Nov 13 20:15:52 <tadzik> I don't really know, I'm guessing :)
Nov 13 20:16:06 <tadzik> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_mailing_lists looks legit
Nov 13 20:16:37 <Pali> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
Nov 13 20:16:39 <teleshoes> oh looks like mailman
Nov 13 20:16:41 <teleshoes> yea
Nov 13 20:16:44 <teleshoes> thank you
Nov 13 20:41:12 <merlin1991> RzR: what did you mean by "that" in "merlin1991, hi may that one be mirrored too"
Nov 13 20:44:29 <Pali> merlin1991, maybe meego wiki
Nov 13 20:45:11 <DocScrutinizer05> (([2012-11-13 20:16:04] <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, is somebody going to create backup of meego wiki?)) dunno, thought it's down
Nov 13 20:45:25 <Pali> now its up again
Nov 13 20:45:36 <Pali> I wrote X-Fade conversation here...
Nov 13 20:45:56 <DocScrutinizer05> fine, so find some method to create backup and somebody willing to do that
Nov 13 20:46:12 <RzR> merlin1991, hi may that one be mirrored too :) http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/5eae171f-3acf-49b8-adc3-72dfbdc77adf/Harmattan_Library.html
Nov 13 20:46:38 <Pali> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-11-13T18:12:47
Nov 13 20:46:41 <RzR> X-Fade, thx for meego wiki
Nov 13 20:46:47 <merlin1991> hm gotta check if my copy isn't more recent
Nov 13 20:49:20 <merlin1991> hm my copy is as old
Nov 13 20:49:35 <RzR> that archive is safe to host
Nov 13 20:52:01 <RzR> merlin1991, wanna host harmattan-dev repo ?
Nov 13 20:52:08 <merlin1991> nope
Nov 13 20:52:25 <RzR> someone has it 
Nov 13 20:54:58 <teotwaki_> sup
Nov 13 20:57:12 <merlin1991> rZr: http://merlin1991.at/harmattan/meego_1.2_harmattan_developer_documentation_20120424.zip
Nov 13 20:57:20 <rZr> great
Nov 13 21:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: if meego wiki is also a mediawiki, then it should be same procedure as fro maemo wiki to create an XML backup. Ask merlin1991 or Skry about it. Sorry I got no 5 min time to care about it right now :'(
Nov 13 21:04:43 <Pali> merlin1991, Skry: can you check if 1) wiki.meego.com is mediawiki and if yes 2) can you create backup of it (like wiki.maemo.org)?
Nov 13 21:04:58 <teotwaki_> Maemo, were drama goes to burst a final time and die.
Nov 13 21:05:09 <teotwaki_> (cf: mailing list)
Nov 13 21:05:17 <merlin1991> yeah meego wiki has the Special:Export page, but we need a way to automatically pull all page titles
Nov 13 21:05:48 <rZr> great , been told nearby #mer
Nov 13 21:05:56 <rZr> that is also backuped 
Nov 13 21:06:04 <rZr> the db is
Nov 13 21:06:26 <teotwaki_> Is harmattan-dev back up?
Nov 13 21:06:36 <teotwaki_> rZr: have you been downloading from maemo-archive?
Nov 13 21:07:00 <rZr> <teotwaki_> Is harmattan-dev back up?
Nov 13 21:07:05 <rZr> not yet back
Nov 13 21:07:15 <rZr> but someone claimed to have a snapshot
Nov 13 21:07:22 <rZr> <teotwaki_> rZr: have you been downloading from maemo-archive?
Nov 13 21:07:31 <rZr> not now
Nov 13 21:08:15 <teotwaki_> rZr: I don't care for a snapshot, people have said that it's temporary downtime, I choose to trust and believe them.
Nov 13 21:08:28 <teotwaki_> rZr: maybe not now, but last night?
Nov 13 21:08:40 <rZr> maybe but it didnt finish
Nov 13 21:08:44 <rZr> have to go now
Nov 13 21:08:45 <rZr> later
Nov 13 21:11:06 <teotwaki_> rZr: you're weird
Nov 13 21:11:46 <ZogG_laptop> teotwaki_: rZr hey
Nov 13 21:12:33 <teotwaki_> sup ZogG_laptop 
Nov 13 21:13:08 <ZogG_laptop> not bad not good
Nov 13 21:13:21 <ZogG_laptop> you know when u have that feeling that u don't have any feelings left
Nov 13 21:13:24 <ZogG_laptop> :)
Nov 13 21:13:35 <rZr> teotwaki, yes i am , we're all are
Nov 13 21:13:50 <rZr> ttyl ok ? 
Nov 13 21:14:03 <ZogG_laptop> teotwaki_: rZr i think u both speak french :P
Nov 13 21:14:25 <teotwaki_> ZogG_laptop: I'd rather speak English ;)
Nov 13 21:14:25 <rZr> teotwaki, grenouille aussi ?
Nov 13 21:14:30 <teotwaki_> grenouille?
Nov 13 21:14:39 <rZr> frog
Nov 13 21:14:47 <teotwaki_> je vis en france
Nov 13 21:14:50 <rZr> eaters
Nov 13 21:14:52 <teotwaki_> mais ne suis pas Francais.
Nov 13 21:14:55 <rZr> there is #meego-fr
Nov 13 21:15:01 <teotwaki_> fuck meego :
Nov 13 21:15:03 <ZogG_laptop> rZr: lol
Nov 13 21:15:05 <rZr> :)
Nov 13 21:15:14 <rZr> well seee you tomorow ok ?
Nov 13 21:15:17 <teotwaki_> take care
Nov 13 21:15:19 <rZr> bye
Nov 13 21:15:21 <wmarone> teotwaki_: dead platforms forever!
Nov 13 21:15:25 <wmarone> ;)
Nov 13 21:15:48 <ZogG_laptop> teotwaki_: meego could be fine if not aegis and harmattan's mix
Nov 13 21:16:01 * ZogG_laptop waiting for what jolla has
Nov 13 21:17:07 * ZogG_laptop loves Nina Simone
Nov 13 22:21:36 <FIQ> is there anything available that allows me to customize the icons at the top? like removing stuff I don't need to know etc
Nov 13 22:21:55 <tadzik> icons at the top?
Nov 13 22:21:57 <FIQ> (mostly the "no SIM" icon)
Nov 13 22:22:30 <FIQ> alternatively hack it away using a transparent image :D
Nov 13 22:22:35 <RiD> ^yes
Nov 13 22:23:27 <FIQ> well custom themes allows they to change
Nov 13 22:23:37 <FIQ> so if it's impossible to do properly...
Nov 13 22:23:56 <FIQ> then at least replacing with a transparent image would work, no?
Nov 13 22:24:28 <RiD> custom themes allow them to change?
Nov 13 22:24:36 <FIQ> I believe so?
Nov 13 22:24:45 <RiD> you mean changing the image, or hiding the icon? (as in truthfully hiding it, not transparent image)
Nov 13 22:24:46 <FIQ> they don't?
Nov 13 22:24:51 <RiD> because sure, you can change the image
Nov 13 22:25:00 <FIQ> yeah i know
Nov 13 22:25:06 <FIQ> but can I hide it properly?
Nov 13 22:25:26 <RiD> Now that's a question I can't answer :P
Nov 13 22:26:21 <FIQ> because I already know that I have no SIM, and wont place any inside anytime soon
Nov 13 22:29:09 <MrPingu> chem|st: Still need someone without python-support installed?
Nov 13 22:33:11 <MrPingu> Anyway here it is: http://pastebin.com/a0xSxTuf
Nov 13 22:54:06 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: you can change a lot of those icons and decide to remove them. Not though for the phone icon afaik (noSIM, Network-2G/3G)
Nov 13 22:54:57 <DocScrutinizer05> it's the one icon that has hardcoded location and this can't get removed iirc
Nov 13 22:55:07 <DocScrutinizer05> thus*
Nov 13 23:01:10 <FIQ> why did it have to be the phone icon :(
Nov 13 23:02:07 <RiD> but he can still change it, no?
Nov 13 23:27:51 <DocScrutinizer05> searching my bookmarks (starts to be a PITA meanwhile): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 
Nov 13 23:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Special-0 (phone signal), and Special-1 (battery icon) go before those<<
Nov 13 23:32:59 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks to mentalist traceur and MohammadAG
Nov 13 23:53:30 <FIQ> ty DocScrutinizer05 
Nov 13 23:54:09 <FIQ> hm commented away cellular thing and killed hildon-desktop, didn't seem to do much
Nov 13 23:56:52 <FIQ> ...
Nov 13 23:57:46 <FIQ> turns out it was just another process (not a child of hildon-desktop as I thought) but commenting it away just made it appear last lol
Nov 14 00:19:45 <cjdavies> is there any danger in trying to empty the N900 battery to give it a nice big charge the next time?
Nov 14 00:19:53 <cjdavies> eg, run it until the phone literally turns off
Nov 14 00:20:03 <cjdavies> by cat'ing /dev/urandom or something to hammer the CPU
Nov 14 00:45:42 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: yep, it's a bitch. If you dare to mess up numbering sequence (sparse voids) or otherwise do sth that's not looking 'nice' to the systemui-statusbar-foo-whatever, the results are at best surprising
Nov 14 00:47:58 <FIQ> cjdavies: if you for some reason want to empty it for real, vanilla maemo isn't enough as it turns n900 off when battery is at critical level
Nov 14 00:48:51 <FIQ> but then I believe n900 wont charge it
Nov 14 00:49:25 <DocScrutinizer05> cjdavies: see my bq27k-calibrate shellscript
Nov 14 00:50:25 <DocScrutinizer05> cjdavies: but basically nope, there's no danger in discharging N900 until it shuts down (since that's been your original question)
Nov 14 00:50:34 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: getting battery to show percent needs calibration, doesn't it?
Nov 14 00:50:55 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: with Pali's new stuff yes
Nov 14 00:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> he relies on bq27200
Nov 14 00:51:29 <DocScrutinizer05> usual classical bme doesn't
Nov 14 00:51:33 <Drathir> hi all... i have small question where i can find leatest repos address and new not expired keys?
Nov 14 00:51:35 <FIQ> I suppose calibration doesn't work in practice if you use 2 batteries?
Nov 14 00:51:55 <FIQ> (assuming they don't work identical)
Nov 14 00:51:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, swapping batteries is a big partypooper for calibration
Nov 14 00:52:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: hi
Nov 14 00:52:25 <FIQ> then I guess I'll be unable to get battery to show percent
Nov 14 00:52:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: new keys are hardly found anywhere
Nov 14 00:52:51 <FIQ> (well I would anyway as I believe calibration needs you to charge the device...)
Nov 14 00:52:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: just ignore the warnings
Nov 14 00:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: what's been your other question?
Nov 14 00:53:48 <DocScrutinizer05> latest repo? what does that mean?
Nov 14 00:54:07 <Drathir> looking for latest nokia n900 repsitory too
Nov 14 00:54:27 <FIQ> um
Nov 14 00:54:35 <DocScrutinizer05> there are basically 3 repos: extras, extras-testing, extras-devel
Nov 14 00:54:38 <FIQ> why would you ever switch it?
Nov 14 00:55:01 <Drathir> but correc mem if i wrong if keys expiret that repository dont upgrade?
Nov 14 00:55:04 <DocScrutinizer05> for 'leet new' stuff you want extras-devel
Nov 14 00:55:31 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, HAM doesn't care, just throws warnings
Nov 14 00:55:40 <DocScrutinizer05> actually apt does
Nov 14 00:55:43 <FIQ> Drathir: sounds like symbian policy
Nov 14 00:55:57 <FIQ> refuse install in case there's no or missing cert
Nov 14 00:56:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: please elaborate on what you're planning to do
Nov 14 00:56:39 <Drathir> FIQ: not really switch i thinking this repository changed some time or all time be the same?
Nov 14 00:56:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: stuff on maemo might not always be like you expect it to
Nov 14 00:56:52 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: does HAM even say anything about it?
Nov 14 00:57:02 <DocScrutinizer05> actually nope
Nov 14 00:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get update does
Nov 14 00:57:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: for example, apt-get dist-upgrade is an absolute NOGO
Nov 14 00:58:04 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I ask what you plan to do
Nov 14 00:58:19 <Drathir> i just have new n900 andi think to refresh becase i think earlier user dont change anything when buy it and that be sme time ago...
Nov 14 00:58:22 <FIQ> also I don't get what HAM tries to tell me if it gives a "(null)" warning right before an install
Nov 14 00:58:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: see
Nov 14 00:58:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flash
Nov 14 00:58:45 <infobot> methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 14 00:58:49 <DocScrutinizer05> see
Nov 14 00:58:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Nov 14 00:58:53 <infobot> i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 14 00:59:11 <DocScrutinizer05> you shall be pretty up to date and happy after that
Nov 14 00:59:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: btw, welcome on board! :-D
Nov 14 01:00:36 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot also look there... 
Nov 14 01:00:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: don't get scared by occasional bickering, stay with us and you'll have a good time, if you love linux
Nov 14 01:01:01 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: welcome all too
Nov 14 01:03:44 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: again, since it seems you're a newbe. You should give your N900 a full reflash, to eradicate any remnants of previous owner. Check http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware for that, come here if any problems. Then after you succeeded, you probbaly wanna come here asking what to do next
Nov 14 01:04:05 <Drathir> i planning take from n900 all what can do 4me and starting to looking for differences with real pc linux... first experience is amazing for me but mark thats is clean untouched... i scare what can do with optimised and tweaked n900...
Nov 14 01:05:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: a) don't feel scared, you can't "brick" N900 (well you can, if you know the very special magic spell, but that won't happen by accident)
Nov 14 01:05:47 <Drathir> yes i love linux but if i good hear is a little chance to totally kill n900 but i dont know it is true or not...
Nov 14 01:06:19 <Drathir> ok is true ^^
Nov 14 01:06:25 <DocScrutinizer05> b) maemo probably has some surprises for you, if you're used to 'standard' linux
Nov 14 01:07:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so better come here and ask before you do anything you *think* should work, like apt-get dist-upgrade
Nov 14 01:08:06 <FIQ> Drathir: killing N900 is not easy to do through firmware
Nov 14 01:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: read ~flash carefully, it has a lot of info
Nov 14 01:08:42 <DocScrutinizer05> when you've finished, re-read
Nov 14 01:08:47 <DocScrutinizer05> *all*
Nov 14 01:08:49 <FIQ> assuming you don't bring a hammer or anything non-firmware, you simply can't kill it unless you try really hard
Nov 14 01:10:04 <DocScrutinizer05> once you've read ~flashing, come here to ask how to proceed. we're basically a nicew bunch here, always happy to welcome newbies
Nov 14 01:10:10 <Drathir> im not very pro but in past using ubuntu,debian and the latest include now using archlinux... and when i thinking that i have linux in pocket that is nice...
Nov 14 01:10:35 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the spirit :-)
Nov 14 01:10:54 <DocScrutinizer05> go read ~flash
Nov 14 01:10:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flash
Nov 14 01:10:59 <infobot> from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 14 01:11:13 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: ok i will not do dist-upgrade
Nov 14 01:11:17 <FIQ> tbh n900 is what got me into linux for real, I hadn't really played around with it much before
Nov 14 01:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> then set up your linux PC for flashing your N900 and come here again
Nov 14 01:12:45 <mad_dev> general q: how often should i reboot, in terms of uptime?
Nov 14 01:12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> here's always at least a dozen experienced users happy to guide a newbie thru first steps :-)
Nov 14 01:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> mad_dev: my t900 has an uptime of...
Nov 14 01:13:18 <FIQ> mad_dev: you don't need to reboot just to reboot
Nov 14 01:13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> t900:~# uptime
Nov 14 01:13:27 <DocScrutinizer05>  02:26:36 up 23 days,  4:15, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Nov 14 01:13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> duh!!!
Nov 14 01:13:40 <DocScrutinizer05> it been like 190 days before
Nov 14 01:13:41 <mad_dev> wow
Nov 14 01:13:46 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: is possible that i have latest firmvare onboard than site show?
Nov 14 01:14:22 <FIQ> my n900's uptime rarely exceeds a few hours nowdays, but when microusb worked, it was usually on for a few weeks before reboots :p
Nov 14 01:14:34 <FIQ> *between
Nov 14 01:14:38 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: please rephrase
Nov 14 01:15:02 <mad_dev> FIQ: does it slow down?
Nov 14 01:15:39 <FIQ> mad_dev: I believe there is a footprint of having it on a long time, but it's minimal
Nov 14 01:15:48 <FIQ> and not noticeable
Nov 14 01:15:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: no matter what's your current firmware version, you *want* to do a full reflash (combined & vanilla) on a freshly purchased N900
Nov 14 01:16:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: you also want to learn how to do reflash, since you shouldn't be afraid to do that, and have done it before so you know it's easy
Nov 14 01:17:30 <FIQ> takes less than one minute once you're used to it
Nov 14 01:17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Nov 14 01:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> it's really painless
Nov 14 01:18:08 <DocScrutinizer05> so read
Nov 14 01:18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flash
Nov 14 01:18:12 <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 14 01:18:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and get used to it, so you know what you don't nneed to do biut always *could* do
Nov 14 01:18:38 <mad_dev> remember to hold U....it got me the first time.
Nov 14 01:18:55 <FIQ> (and if you actually keep the binaries afterwards)
Nov 14 01:19:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, you wanna create a dir on your PC for N900-related stuff
Nov 14 01:19:30 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: ok i think it is possible that i have latest n900 firmware tnan nokia site show? i must check the code back for a second...
Nov 14 01:20:06 <DocScrutinizer05> it is possible, but - as explained before - irrelevant
Nov 14 01:20:18 <DocScrutinizer05> you want to do a full reflash right now
Nov 14 01:20:25 <FIQ> Drathir: it's possible that you have the latest fw right now yes, but you don't want to continue use it before reflash
Nov 14 01:20:35 <FIQ> as it isn't new
Nov 14 01:20:45 <FIQ> to erase stuff from previous owner
Nov 14 01:20:55 <DocScrutinizer05> you want to clean your device to virgin state, and you wanna learn how easy and convenient the process is
Nov 14 01:21:45 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: why does vanilla make system unbootable btw? doesn't make sense to me
Nov 14 01:22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> vanilla nukes /opt
Nov 14 01:22:05 <FIQ> (i.e. flashing vanilla and then not flash combined)
Nov 14 01:22:30 <FIQ> hm
Nov 14 01:22:58 <FIQ> but combined doesn't touch /opt, does it?
Nov 14 01:23:09 <DocScrutinizer05> it does! a lot
Nov 14 01:23:21 <FIQ> hmm ok
Nov 14 01:23:27 <merlin1991> but it does not remove any stuff
Nov 14 01:23:27 <mad_dev> Drathir: just do it...update to latest CSSU...and enjoy it
Nov 14 01:23:31 <merlin1991> only loads the defaults again
Nov 14 01:23:34 <DocScrutinizer05> it cleans out opt to empty state, then runs one-time-optificatrion
Nov 14 01:23:35 <merlin1991> that's the difference
Nov 14 01:23:50 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: rly`?
Nov 14 01:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Nov 14 01:23:56 <FIQ> I thought it just reset rootfs
Nov 14 01:24:01 <merlin1991> doesn't it leave the old stuff behind?
Nov 14 01:24:06 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Nov 14 01:24:20 <DocScrutinizer05> combined cleans /opt
Nov 14 01:24:44 <DocScrutinizer05> only on first-boot
Nov 14 01:24:44 <merlin1991> ah well you learn somehting new each day :)
Nov 14 01:25:14 <FIQ> "only on first boot"
Nov 14 01:25:17 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why you mustn't boot device after combined flashing, before flashing vanilla
Nov 14 01:25:36 <FIQ> then I can't see why you need to do combined+vanilla+combined
Nov 14 01:25:45 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather: flash combined (again) after vanilla
Nov 14 01:25:45 <FIQ> (the third part)
Nov 14 01:26:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^
Nov 14 01:26:29 <FIQ> well.. don't boot then? :p
Nov 14 01:26:40 <DocScrutinizer05> that's not that simple
Nov 14 01:26:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and thus only for "experts"
Nov 14 01:26:58 <DocScrutinizer05> see 
Nov 14 01:27:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flash
Nov 14 01:27:02 <infobot> maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 14 01:27:28 <DocScrutinizer05> 3 seconds are more than enough to spoil things
Nov 14 01:28:06 <DocScrutinizer05> if you wanna flash vanilla *after* combined, you have to make sure it doesn't boot for 0.01 seconds
Nov 14 01:28:28 <DocScrutinizer05> or you simply flash combined again after vanilla
Nov 14 01:28:33 <mad_dev> Drathir: always, always backup your data....always
Nov 14 01:28:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and reboot does't care anymore
Nov 14 01:29:00 <DocScrutinizer05> mad_dev: he has no data yet to backup
Nov 14 01:29:04 <DocScrutinizer05> sheß
Nov 14 01:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Nov 14 01:29:48 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: hmmm ok
Nov 14 01:29:53 <mad_dev> DocScrutinizer05: just a general reminder
Nov 14 01:30:04 <FIQ> sounds as bad design of the process
Nov 14 01:30:10 <DocScrutinizer05> mad_dev: pretty ok
Nov 14 01:30:31 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: optification is a botch
Nov 14 01:31:01 <DocScrutinizer05> but a botch you can live with if you understand the implications
Nov 14 01:33:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~optification
Nov 14 01:33:06 <infobot> optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
Nov 14 01:34:44 <Drathir> ok im back
Nov 14 01:34:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: get flasher-3.5, *combined* LATEST (preferably international version), and *vanilla*
Nov 14 01:35:16 <FIQ> i find it odd that n900 emulates gba better than gb(c) due to lack of good gbc emulator
Nov 14 01:35:16 <Drathir> mad_dev: i think to do rsync with my home server...
Nov 14 01:35:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: I'll share a site once you got your device flashed. it has all you need for rsync
Nov 14 01:36:04 <mad_dev> Drathir: even better
Nov 14 01:36:42 <FIQ> (not odd due to not logical, but due to the fact that apparently none decided to do any better emulator than vgb, which has audio issues making it unbearable, and also isn't fullspeed)
Nov 14 01:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: most imprtant with flashing: don't forget to blacklist cdc_phonet
Nov 14 01:40:42 <mad_dev> DocScrutinizer05: whats cdc_phonet?
Nov 14 01:40:48 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: what's the purpose of the module?
Nov 14 01:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> a kernel module on PC that spoils the soup
Nov 14 01:41:23 <FIQ> but why does it exist?
Nov 14 01:41:29 <merlin1991> I dunno what dist Doc runs but neither on buntkuh nor on debian does that module spoil the fun
Nov 14 01:41:36 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: purpose: enable apps to connect *directly* to N900 modem
Nov 14 01:41:43 <FIQ> merlin1991: it did on arch
Nov 14 01:43:06 <DocScrutinizer05> plug in N900 via usb. do `lsmod|grep phonet`. If any hits, you got a problem and need to blacklist cdc_phonet
Nov 14 01:45:15 <DocScrutinizer05> find /usr -name '*phonet*'
Nov 14 01:45:38 <DocScrutinizer05> s/usr/lib/
Nov 14 01:45:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: find /lib -name '*phonet*'
Nov 14 01:48:19 <DocScrutinizer05> FYI: /lib/modules/3.1.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/net/usb/cdc-phonet.ko
Nov 14 01:48:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and that *does* spoil stuff
Nov 14 01:49:24 <DocScrutinizer05> one of the most useless kernel modules I ever seen, on a x86
Nov 14 01:50:40 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: btw, you dunno which distro I run? seriously? openSuse
Nov 14 01:52:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: we're all waiting for the mega-event
Nov 14 01:52:08 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Nov 14 01:52:21 <FIQ> ?
Nov 14 01:52:47 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-11-12 18:16:17] <Skry> I stopped watching a movie to follow this, it's like watching someone giving a birth.
Nov 14 01:53:05 <FIQ> :p
Nov 14 01:53:41 <DocScrutinizer05> we have a quite nice number of new users lately
Nov 14 01:53:43 <mad_dev> DocScrutinizer05: more like delivering :)
Nov 14 01:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo never dies
Nov 14 01:55:30 <FIQ> as long as there are working Nxx0 devices
Nov 14 01:55:44 * DocScrutinizer05 figures in 10 years they build N900 clones like they do today for Amiga
Nov 14 01:56:02 <FIQ> hm
Nov 14 01:56:14 <FIQ> there are still people who appreatice Newton
Nov 14 01:56:20 <FIQ> ...the device
Nov 14 01:56:58 <FIQ> appareatice* (maybe?)
Nov 14 01:57:18 <Drathir> ok i check my version is 21.2011.38-1
Nov 14 01:58:09 <FIQ> isn't the newest 20.2011.36-2?
Nov 14 01:58:19 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: appreciate?
Nov 14 01:58:19 <FIQ> er
Nov 14 01:58:29 <FIQ> 20.2010.36-2 even
Nov 14 01:58:35 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: yes that
Nov 14 01:58:36 <FIQ> ty
Nov 14 01:59:06 <FIQ> am I outdated...?
Nov 14 01:59:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: as mentioned before, your current version is basically irrelevant
Nov 14 02:01:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: though I quite understand you wanna make friend with your new shiny cute N900 first, I still suggest you take the challenge to flash it before you do *anything* with it
Nov 14 02:01:51 <mad_dev> Drathir: do you mean the current OR the one you downloaded?
Nov 14 02:02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Nov 14 02:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't think of that
Nov 14 02:03:02 <FIQ> is my version outdated (less than PR1.3.x)?
Nov 14 02:03:02 <mad_dev> Drathir: ??
Nov 14 02:03:21 <FIQ> he's away
Nov 14 02:03:32 <FIQ> (according to ircd at least)
Nov 14 02:03:41 <mad_dev> ooh
Nov 14 02:05:27 <mad_dev> how many n900's were made?
Nov 14 02:05:43 <DocScrutinizer05> some 100k to some mio
Nov 14 02:06:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I *think* I recall reding they sold 500k in first 8 weeks
Nov 14 02:07:11 <mad_dev> how much are registered in maemo.org
Nov 14 02:07:33 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody is registering his device in maemo.org
Nov 14 02:07:56 <FIQ> you can register the device on maemo.org?
Nov 14 02:07:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno how many users are registered
Nov 14 02:08:29 <mad_dev> i ment users who claim to have n900
Nov 14 02:08:38 <FIQ> oh
Nov 14 02:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't even know how many users are registered at tmo
Nov 14 02:08:44 <FIQ> fair enough
Nov 14 02:09:10 <DocScrutinizer05> seem to recall a number like 15k for tmo
Nov 14 02:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> might be totally wrong though
Nov 14 02:09:36 <FIQ> userid should tell something
Nov 14 02:09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Nov 14 02:10:15 <DocScrutinizer05> find a recently registered user
Nov 14 02:10:30 <DocScrutinizer05> see what ID he got
Nov 14 02:11:22 <SpeedEvil> half of tmo is socks though
Nov 14 02:11:40 <FIQ> i'm not registered recently really but mine is in the 37k range
Nov 14 02:12:10 <mad_dev> SpeedEvil: socks??
Nov 14 02:12:13 <FIQ> SpeedEvil: there are also many people with spare devices
Nov 14 02:12:27 <SpeedEvil> sockpuppets
Nov 14 02:12:37 <FIQ> alts basically
Nov 14 02:12:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hi SpeedEvil
Nov 14 02:13:02 <mad_dev> oh
Nov 14 02:13:19 <SpeedEvil> :-) 
Nov 14 02:13:33 <DocScrutinizer05> 50% socks still is >15k
Nov 14 02:13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> >>mine is in the 37k range
Nov 14 02:14:06 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: I joined 2010
Nov 14 02:14:17 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
Nov 14 02:14:28 <FIQ> so it's way more than 15k :P
Nov 14 02:14:42 <FIQ> (most likely)
Nov 14 02:15:04 <FIQ> http://talk.maemo.org/memberlist.php
Nov 14 02:15:06 <DocScrutinizer05> IDs are not recycled
Nov 14 02:15:37 <FIQ> check that list
Nov 14 02:15:43 <FIQ> or rather the pagenav
Nov 14 02:15:43 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Showing results 1 to 30 of 57859<<
Nov 14 02:15:48 <FIQ> yeah
Nov 14 02:16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> 15k still sounds realistic
Nov 14 02:16:14 <merlin1991> well there's surely some spambots amongst them :)
Nov 14 02:16:39 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe 25k by now
Nov 14 02:17:35 <DocScrutinizer05> which would match the statistical amount of users (percentage) that actually register at some forum or the like
Nov 14 02:18:15 <DocScrutinizer05> you'd not believe the 90%..99% not bothering
Nov 14 02:18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the lurkers that don't ever show uo anywhere
Nov 14 02:19:14 <FIQ> maemo isn't a generic smartphone
Nov 14 02:19:19 <DocScrutinizer05> 25k * 100 sounds about correct
Nov 14 02:19:19 <mad_dev> DocScrutinizer05: atleast we have each other
Nov 14 02:19:23 <FIQ> s/maemo/n900/
Nov 14 02:19:24 <infobot> FIQ meant: n900 isn't a generic smartphone
Nov 14 02:19:52 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: my info isn't based on generic smartphones
Nov 14 02:19:57 <DocScrutinizer05> see my cloak
Nov 14 02:20:09 <FIQ> oops
Nov 14 02:20:11 <FIQ> wrong cmd
Nov 14 02:20:28 <FIQ> ohhh
Nov 14 02:20:33 <FIQ> fair enough :)
Nov 14 02:20:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I know how many devices Freerunner got sold, how many showed up on mailing lists, and how large #openmoko been
Nov 14 02:21:18 <DocScrutinizer05> there are other statistics, similar to that one
Nov 14 02:21:46 <DocScrutinizer05> 90%..99% invisible users are a fair guess
Nov 14 02:22:17 <FIQ> 250k-2.5m sold units?
Nov 14 02:22:32 <DocScrutinizer05> for devices like N900, FreeRunner. For random android it's probably 99.99%
Nov 14 02:22:41 <FIQ> yeah
Nov 14 02:22:46 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: sounds about correct
Nov 14 02:22:56 <DocScrutinizer05> for N900
Nov 14 02:24:01 <FIQ> hmm jolla announce next week
Nov 14 02:24:11 <FIQ> hopefully something good, most likely not
Nov 14 02:24:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm I'm afraid I'll be disappoingted
Nov 14 02:24:45 <Drathir> now looking for files with flasher...
Nov 14 02:24:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I already am
Nov 14 02:25:04 <FIQ> "we have this shiny iphone clone that runs "linux" modified by android levels!"
Nov 14 02:25:04 <Drathir> 3.5 or 3.12?
Nov 14 02:25:07 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: get 'latest'
Nov 14 02:25:11 <DocScrutinizer05> 3.5
Nov 14 02:25:31 <DocScrutinizer05> 3.12 doesn't work for N900
Nov 14 02:25:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 3.12 is for N9
Nov 14 02:26:22 <FIQ> flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)
Nov 14 02:26:29 <FIQ> seems my version is a bit old
Nov 14 02:26:39 <DocScrutinizer05> that's how it says 'hello', yeah
Nov 14 02:26:42 <mad_dev> FIQ: very
Nov 14 02:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless it's 3.5
Nov 14 02:27:07 <FIQ> it's 3.5 but it says 2.5?
Nov 14 02:27:17 <FIQ> doesn't make sense...
Nov 14 02:27:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia never bothered to update that version string
Nov 14 02:27:27 <FIQ> lol ok :p
Nov 14 02:27:33 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed lol
Nov 14 02:27:38 <mad_dev> DocScrutinizer05: apathy
Nov 14 02:27:38 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05:  have more usr/lib/modules/3.6.6-1-ARCH/kernel/drivers/net/usb/cdc-phonet.ko.gz
Nov 14 02:27:42 <Drathir> /usr/lib/modules/3.6.6-1-ARCH/kernel/net/phonet
Nov 14 02:27:44 <Drathir> /usr/lib/modules/3.6.6-1-ARCH/kernel/net/phonet/phonet.ko.gz
Nov 14 02:28:17 <DocScrutinizer05> get instruction how to blacklist it
Nov 14 02:28:40 <FIQ> Drathir: keep in mind arch blacklist mechanism changed few months ago
Nov 14 02:29:01 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: just share a short howto
Nov 14 02:29:34 <DocScrutinizer05> (no arch here)
Nov 14 02:29:54 <mad_dev> nor here
Nov 14 02:31:17 <Drathir> mad_dev: i write version inside my n900 phone, but now dowloading thats older from nokia site...
Nov 14 02:31:42 <mad_dev> Drathir: ok
Nov 14 02:31:52 <DocScrutinizer05> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_modules#Blacklisting
Nov 14 02:32:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: please rephrase
Nov 14 02:32:43 <FIQ> ty DocScrutinizer05 for doing the work for me, didn't find the article i looked for :p
Nov 14 02:32:59 <DocScrutinizer05> google is your friend
Nov 14 02:33:05 <mad_dev> DocScrutinizer05: the version he mentioned above
Nov 14 02:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> aah
Nov 14 02:33:54 <DocScrutinizer05> the 3.5->2.5
Nov 14 02:34:10 <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind
Nov 14 02:34:35 <mad_dev> 20.2011
Nov 14 02:34:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Nov 14 02:35:08 <mad_dev> couldnt remember the rest
Nov 14 02:35:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't remeber anything
Nov 14 02:35:33 <DocScrutinizer05> 38 rings a bell though
Nov 14 02:35:38 <FIQ> 20.2011.38-1
Nov 14 02:35:45 <mad_dev> yes
Nov 14 02:35:49 <FIQ> was what you told earlier
Nov 14 02:36:32 <FIQ> "you" aka Drathir 
Nov 14 02:36:50 <DocScrutinizer05> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1'
Nov 14 02:37:09 <mad_dev> FIQ: i almost doubted myself
Nov 14 02:37:19 <DocScrutinizer05> osso-product-info
Nov 14 02:37:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Nov 14 02:37:36 <infobot> methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 14 02:37:40 <FIQ> Drathir: iirc I had to completly disable (blacklist not enough) the module but i'm not completly sure, as described on that wikipage
Nov 14 02:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Settings > About product should show Version beginning with 20.2010.36(PR1.3) or 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1)
Nov 14 02:38:25 <FIQ> ahh that explains why my version string was lower
Nov 14 02:39:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess there's no fiasco image for 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1)
Nov 14 02:39:49 <FIQ> there's not
Nov 14 02:39:55 <FIQ> at least not on that site
Nov 14 02:40:26 <FIQ> also the agreement doesn't apply to PR1.3 image
Nov 14 02:40:50 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Nov 14 02:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 14 02:43:24 <DocScrutinizer05> find it on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ in maemo fiasco+co, if you got pissed of IMEI query and all
Nov 14 02:43:54 <DocScrutinizer05> vanilla: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 14 02:44:31 <DocScrutinizer05> that's LATEST
Nov 14 02:44:53 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't feel like providing old obsolete images too
Nov 14 02:46:16 <DocScrutinizer05> read LICENCE there!
Nov 14 02:46:48 <mad_dev> very useful info...i should document this
Nov 14 02:47:03 <DocScrutinizer05> don't post complete URL!!
Nov 14 02:47:23 <DocScrutinizer05> or it will vanish in same moment
Nov 14 02:48:02 <FIQ> script?
Nov 14 02:48:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm skynet
Nov 14 02:48:22 <FIQ> :p
Nov 14 02:51:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues maemo.cloud-7
Nov 14 02:51:53 <infobot> Factoid search of 'maemo.cloud-7' by value (4): aegis-no-thanks ;; bq27k-detail ;; malf ;; #maemo wiki-backup.
Nov 14 02:52:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Nov 14 02:52:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Nov 14 02:52:32 <Drathir> ok flasher installed 3.5 latest latest combined and vanilla downloading but this take a while...
Nov 14 02:52:50 <DocScrutinizer05> np
Nov 14 02:53:14 <FIQ> what flashplayer is that?
Nov 14 02:53:25 <mad_dev> we will be here waiting
Nov 14 02:53:27 <Drathir> is anny option to dump installed version of fw from phone to file?
Nov 14 02:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lart FIQ
Nov 14 02:53:31 * infobot puts on some milking gloves.  "All right, now, FIQ, this won't hurt a bit...."
Nov 14 02:53:50 <FIQ> ~lart DocScrutinizer05 
Nov 14 02:53:51 * infobot puts DocScrutinizer05 through a wood chipper
Nov 14 02:54:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: nope
Nov 14 02:54:28 <DocScrutinizer05> not any simple one
Nov 14 02:54:37 <DocScrutinizer05> so never mind
Nov 14 02:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't need it
Nov 14 02:54:57 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: ok blacklisted now...
Nov 14 02:55:06 <DocScrutinizer05> fine
Nov 14 02:55:12 <DocScrutinizer05> flasher --help
Nov 14 02:56:34 <DocScrutinizer05> if you got spare time, you might want to read ahead of what you need to know:
Nov 14 02:56:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Nov 14 02:56:38 <infobot> rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 14 02:56:51 <Drathir> imho arch have the best wiki on all distros clean and nice looking...
Nov 14 02:57:04 <FIQ> arch is nice
Nov 14 02:57:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: if ~jrtools is confusing for you, ignore it
Nov 14 02:59:17 <DocScrutinizer05> rather re-read ~flashing
Nov 14 02:59:27 <Drathir> FIQ: ok i going to complettly disable for sure...
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