**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 17 03:00:00 2012
Nov 17 03:01:15 <Drathir> anyone can confirm that"qutim" is broken package?
Nov 17 04:40:14 <merlin1991> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/194 rofl
Nov 17 05:56:52 <MentalistTraceur> Open question to anyone who has an opinion on the matter: Out of the Forth compilers hForth, gForth, or pForth, which is better? Or are they all essentially just as good?
Nov 17 05:57:11 <r00t|home> who the hell uses forth...
Nov 17 06:00:46 <MentalistTraceur> Some people. And while you're entitled to suggest that my question is irrelevant because 'who the hell uses it', that doesn't help me with my question at all.
Nov 17 06:12:42 <Sc0rpius> wow Forth
Nov 17 06:12:50 <Sc0rpius> I haven't heard about it in +30 years
Nov 17 06:12:59 <Sc0rpius> I had a C64 with a forth compiler in the 80s
Nov 17 06:13:27 <Sc0rpius> since I haven't code in Forth in +30 years, I can't help you
Nov 17 06:14:35 <merlin1991> hey Sc0rpius btw
Nov 17 06:14:50 <merlin1991> did you get anywhere with the email that foobared modest?
Nov 17 06:15:00 <Sc0rpius> no.. Yappari have made me really busy lately :(
Nov 17 06:16:11 <merlin1991> yappari, hm care to refresh my mind?
Nov 17 06:16:24 <Sc0rpius> it's a Whatsapp client for the N900
Nov 17 06:16:31 <merlin1991> okay :)
Nov 17 06:16:45 <merlin1991> any luck?
Nov 17 06:16:54 <Sc0rpius> not with modest
Nov 17 06:16:56 <merlin1991> they seem to change protocol quite often
Nov 17 06:17:01 <merlin1991> err with yappari ;)
Nov 17 06:17:15 <Sc0rpius> they have changed it a couple of times but rithg now Yappari is working flawlessly
Nov 17 06:17:22 <Sc0rpius> but it hasn't all the Whatsapp features implemented
Nov 17 06:20:52 <merlin1991> what's missing?
Nov 17 06:21:05 * merlin1991 never used what's app
Nov 17 07:46:20 <devili> Is there anyway to use vkb wid easy debian?tp://webchat.freenode.net/
Nov 17 07:48:13 <devili> ??tp://webchat.freenode.net/
Nov 17 07:59:09 <kerio> merlin1991: for instance, it's missing the connection to the whatsapp servers on a secondary port >:(
Nov 17 07:59:26 <kerio> it's also missing a gtk interface
Nov 17 07:59:33 <merlin1991> kerio: huge lag on that response ;)
Nov 17 07:59:37 <kerio> because qt sucks
Nov 17 07:59:52 <kerio> and doesn't want to follow xkb
Nov 17 08:00:02 <kerio> and i don't get my cool layout
Nov 17 08:01:04 <merlin1991> ..
Nov 17 08:02:11 <kerio> no, seriously, qt even has the stupid hold-key-to-sym
Nov 17 08:58:00 <devili> is there anyway to use the vkb with esy debian??www.slideshare.net/jeanie_d_a/04-cache-memory
Nov 17 08:58:48 <devili> dn follow d link... Midori sucks!!! 
Nov 17 09:06:03 <freemangordon> someone with n8x0 ?
Nov 17 09:07:34 <freemangordon> the question - is osso-systemui-tklock source open in diablo/chinook/etc?
Nov 17 09:13:54 <Luke-Jr> if it is, it isn't on the device O.o
Nov 17 09:14:19 <freemangordon> hmm
Nov 17 09:15:27 <freemangordon> Luke-Jr: is there tklock at all?
Nov 17 09:15:36 <freemangordon> i.e. how is the screen locked?
Nov 17 09:15:39 <Luke-Jr> mine isn't running
Nov 17 09:15:47 <Luke-Jr> and when it is, it only runs Gentoo now
Nov 17 10:06:11 <kerio> tadzik: do you think the n900 is powerful enough to render mapnik tiles on the fly?
Nov 17 10:38:29 <kerio> NIN101: you haven't answered yesterday, i think
Nov 17 10:38:36 <kerio> NIN101: why can't rescueOS ship the wifi firmware?
Nov 17 10:43:17 <vi___> ~jrtools
Nov 17 10:43:17 <infobot> somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 17 10:45:32 <NIN101> kerio: I did answer
Nov 17 10:46:05 <NIN101> I do not ship the firmware because I wasn't sure what their licence state is and didn't want to get in trouble by nokia
Nov 17 10:46:07 <NIN101> it also adds bloat
Nov 17 10:47:33 <Hurrian> NIN101, well, when Nokia goes potato side up, I guess we can start redistributing all the binaries.
Nov 17 10:50:04 <jacekowski> Hurrian: that's unlikely to happen
Nov 17 10:54:16 <jon_y> in a few yeas time, they will consist of an undead legal department to sit on their patents :)
Nov 17 10:54:56 <jon_y> the long arm of the MS legal department
Nov 17 10:57:42 <tadzik> kerio: I've no eye deer, never heard of mapnik before
Nov 17 10:59:37 <tadzik> kerio: you think it may work better than Gtk while not being qt? ;)
Nov 17 11:07:31 <kerio> NIN101: the "bleeding edge" drivers are open i think
Nov 17 11:07:38 <kerio> or are the drivers and the firmware two separate entities?
Nov 17 11:07:56 <kerio> anyway, not having wifi would suck if you fuck up your rootfs
Nov 17 11:08:26 <NIN101> it has the kernel modules, just not the firmware
Nov 17 11:08:34 <kerio> i see
Nov 17 11:10:35 <NIN101> it even has a stupid script that gets the firmware from maemo root automatiically ( but for obvious reasons isn't run on boot)
Nov 17 11:12:19 <kerio> NIN101: what's the firmware again?
Nov 17 11:12:30 <kerio> what's the difference between -fw.bin and -nvs.bin?
Nov 17 11:13:20 <kerio> oic, calibration data
Nov 17 11:24:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd not feel too scared about delivering those binaries
Nov 17 11:25:12 <DocScrutinizer05> NIN101: how about wgetting them from some other place?
Nov 17 11:25:17 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: ...
Nov 17 11:25:44 <kerio> you're not going to care about wifi if you've got usb networking working
Nov 17 11:27:05 <NIN101> DocScrutinizer05: such as?
Nov 17 11:27:31 <kerio> NIN101: TI, possibly
Nov 17 11:27:51 <kerio> or nokia
Nov 17 11:27:57 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I'd probably not post the URL here in a logged channel
Nov 17 11:28:06 <kerio> wl1251-firmware*.deb from downloads.maemo.nokia.com
Nov 17 11:28:16 <kerio> my previous point still stands
Nov 17 11:28:37 <DocScrutinizer05> but it might start with maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo/hidden
Nov 17 11:29:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm pretty sure jacekowski has even less problems
Nov 17 11:30:28 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/wl1251-fw.bin is a 404 :(
Nov 17 11:30:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ORLY?
Nov 17 11:30:49 <Skry> iirc that firmware is redistributable if you ship it with it's licence
Nov 17 11:30:51 <Venemo> hey
Nov 17 11:31:05 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: and thanks to you it will remain like that
Nov 17 11:31:10 <Venemo> what is the best way to sync google contacts to fremantle? does MfE work like on Harmattan?
Nov 17 11:31:15 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: oh
Nov 17 11:31:47 <kerio> Venemo: BT syncml
Nov 17 11:32:09 <Venemo> kerio, hmm?
Nov 17 11:32:16 <kerio> oh, google contacts
Nov 17 11:32:18 <kerio> hm
Nov 17 11:32:29 <kerio> MfE usually doesn't work
Nov 17 11:32:34 <kerio> for some reason
Nov 17 11:33:06 <Venemo> that is weird
Nov 17 11:33:30 <Venemo> I recall having used it with my hotmail account back then.
Nov 17 11:35:47 <kerio> no, i mean that it doesn't work with google
Nov 17 11:35:56 <Venemo> ah
Nov 17 11:35:59 <Venemo> hm
Nov 17 11:37:50 <vi___> I am pretty sure you can use mfe to sync contacts with google on th n900.
Nov 17 11:38:19 <vi___> You can sync multiple google calanders for sure.
Nov 17 11:46:19 <Venemo> okay
Nov 17 11:46:21 <Venemo> I'll try
Nov 17 11:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio:  please never do that again!
Nov 17 11:46:59 <kerio> k
Nov 17 11:55:05 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: btw if you're already that good, you might as well have a look at your N900 and watch the FQN there
Nov 17 11:55:15 <kerio> oooooooooooooh
Nov 17 11:56:01 <kerio> got it
Nov 17 11:56:15 <DocScrutinizer05> now DON'T post it again here!
Nov 17 11:56:33 <DocScrutinizer05> or elsewhere
Nov 17 11:59:17 <vi___> ~FQN
Nov 17 12:00:04 <jon_y> fully qualified name?
Nov 17 12:00:22 <jon_y> oh hai iscsi fqn target
Nov 17 12:00:44 <Venemo> lol lol
Nov 17 12:00:48 <jon_y> that reminds me, iscsi client on the n900 would be pretty cool
Nov 17 12:03:13 <Hurrian> jon_y, that's just insane enough to work
Nov 17 12:03:29 <Hurrian> although, have fun with iSCSI over 802.11G
Nov 17 12:03:30 <jon_y> does kp have the modules already?
Nov 17 12:04:00 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: really though, if you've got access to the internet it means that you're using usb networking
Nov 17 12:04:04 <kerio> at that point, you don't need wifi at all
Nov 17 12:04:24 <jon_y> maybe a remote way to access my data at home
Nov 17 12:04:29 <jon_y> bounced via ssh
Nov 17 12:04:44 <jon_y> actually I'm not sure about the ssh bit
Nov 17 12:04:58 <jon_y> iscsi doesn't do tcp
Nov 17 12:04:59 <kerio> hahahahah iSCSI over internet
Nov 17 12:05:03 <jon_y> must vpn
Nov 17 12:05:10 <kerio> hahahahahahahahahahahahah
Nov 17 12:05:12 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I got access to internet on my PC and I'm not using USB networking on my N900
Nov 17 12:05:39 <jon_y> sshfs seems to be simpler
Nov 17 12:05:40 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: since setting up USB networking is a PITA - on PC side
Nov 17 12:06:06 <jon_y> on the PC side, you should configure it to forward and route IP
Nov 17 12:06:29 <jon_y> on Linux it's a matter of touching one of the /proc files
Nov 17 12:06:34 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: then how would you wget something from within rescueOS?
Nov 17 12:06:36 <jon_y> and maybe some iptables
Nov 17 12:06:55 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: via wifi?
Nov 17 12:07:09 <jon_y> windows doesn't like to do forwarding unless you use the server editions
Nov 17 12:07:10 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: not without the firmware you still have to wget from the internet :)
Nov 17 12:07:36 <DocScrutinizer05> as mentioned before I also had to wget rescueOS from the internet
Nov 17 12:07:48 <kerio> oh
Nov 17 12:07:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm doing that on my PC
Nov 17 12:07:51 <kerio> i see what you mean
Nov 17 12:07:58 * kerio has rescueos on eMMC
Nov 17 12:08:27 <kerio> http://i.imgur.com/9NWyQ.gif
Nov 17 12:31:23 <LaoLang_cool> I notice there is no active on http://maemo.org/packages/, seems no any package has update
Nov 17 12:31:33 <LaoLang_cool> what's wrong?
Nov 17 12:37:31 <kerio> i bet the autobuilder is on the fritz again
Nov 17 12:40:42 <vi___> I wish backupmenu had some feature for setting the time&date.
Nov 17 12:41:27 <kerio> vi___: the shell, maybe
Nov 17 12:41:32 <kerio> there's no way to disable fbcon though
Nov 17 12:41:38 <vi___> kerio: exactly.
Nov 17 12:41:43 <kerio> \_o_/
Nov 17 12:41:47 <kerio> just reboot
Nov 17 12:41:52 <vi___> unless backupmenu was ncurses.
Nov 17 12:41:55 <kerio> i mean, set the date, hwclock -w, reboot
Nov 17 12:42:18 <vi___> kerio: goood idea
Nov 17 12:43:11 <vi___> I really should not have written 'man date' into google.
Nov 17 12:43:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hwclock --noadjfile --systohc
Nov 17 12:44:17 <kerio> vi___: haha
Nov 17 12:44:26 <kerio> hmm, there's a libicd-network-usb package apparently
Nov 17 12:44:30 <kerio> why didn't i know about it
Nov 17 12:49:04 <kerio> meh, ICD sucks anyway
Nov 17 12:49:27 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: how do g_file_storage and g_nokia make the popup to choose the mode appear?
Nov 17 12:49:40 <kerio> would g_ether also do that?
Nov 17 13:00:05 <vi___> kerio: look in /sbin/
Nov 17 13:00:25 <vi___> You will find all the scripts for mass storage mode/pc suite mode and popup menu etc.
Nov 17 13:00:46 <vi___> how come tracker is not ionice into oblivion?
Nov 17 13:00:59 <kerio> vi___: who calls them?
Nov 17 13:01:45 <vi___> ionice -c3 $(pidoff tracker)
Nov 17 13:02:00 <vi___> kerio: not sure.
Nov 17 13:02:18 <vi___> something triggered by the hal event generated by usb plug/unplug.
Nov 17 13:02:38 <kerio> vi___: it doesn't happen with no g_ modules loaded, though
Nov 17 13:03:08 <vi___> kerio: oh, ok.  I di dnot know that.
Nov 17 13:03:13 <vi___> kerio: What are you trying to do?
Nov 17 13:04:12 <kerio> i dunno lol
Nov 17 13:05:18 <kerio> anyway, g_ether also makes the popup appear, sadly :(
Nov 17 13:11:29 <vi___> I will bet you can roll the emmc image into the same bin as the rootfs image.
Nov 17 13:11:46 <vi___> Just think, you would only need to flash 1 file.
Nov 17 13:17:10 <kerio> vi___: i'm not so sure of that
Nov 17 13:17:20 <kerio> rootfs and emmc are flashed with two different protocols
Nov 17 13:27:14 <jacekowski> iirc combined is first downloaded to RAM and then flashed
Nov 17 14:05:43 <DocScrutinizer05> (Ot: akonadi, kde4) incredible, even with Kontact-kde3 (==kmail1.9.xx) the 'import' function uses friggin akonadi-agent-launcher. Running since 10h now to import my old mails, raping my CPU into a fried chicken, and RAM usage: 8GB + 4GB swap
Nov 17 14:06:49 <DocScrutinizer05> damn akonadi MUST be an idea of lennart
Nov 17 14:07:08 <Corsac> aha
Nov 17 14:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Corsac: to find a lame excuse, I could explain that it's the reason why I still can't process my council related mail
Nov 17 14:12:14 <Corsac> :)
Nov 17 14:12:28 <Corsac> just don't use kde?
Nov 17 14:15:26 <jon_y> ~lennart
Nov 17 14:15:27 <infobot> Lennart is ~Poettering
Nov 17 14:15:34 <jon_y> ~Poettering
Nov 17 14:15:34 <infobot> 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''
Nov 17 14:15:46 <jon_y> :)
Nov 17 14:18:12 <Venemo> lol
Nov 17 14:21:42 <LaoLang_cool> Hi, a question: how to set time from cli?
Nov 17 14:21:58 <NIN101> use "date"
Nov 17 14:22:39 <NIN101> and maybe take a look at "hwclock"
Nov 17 14:24:21 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101, an example please? how to set system clock to 2012-11-17 22:25?
Nov 17 14:24:54 <LaoLang_cool> I don't know how to specify the date time after `date -s`
Nov 17 14:25:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Corsac: sounds like "just don't use email"
Nov 17 14:25:57 <jon_y> LaoLang_cool: google man date
Nov 17 14:25:58 <NIN101> date -s "2012-11-17 22:25" 
Nov 17 14:25:59 <RST38h> Doc: Akonadi looks like a typical KDE framework
Nov 17 14:26:05 <NIN101> and yes, google man date
Nov 17 14:26:09 <jon_y> date format as well
Nov 17 14:26:20 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: see my original rant
Nov 17 14:26:23 <LaoLang_cool> -s, --set=STRING
Nov 17 14:26:25 <jon_y> in case you didn't like your default format string
Nov 17 14:26:34 <LaoLang_cool> I don't know what 'STRING' mean here :(
Nov 17 14:26:41 <NIN101> <NIN101> date -s "2012-11-17 22:25" 
Nov 17 14:26:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I hoped to get rid of it by downgrading to kde3 which evidently didn't use akonadi yet
Nov 17 14:27:53 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101, it says: date: invalid date '2012-11-17 22:25' :(
Nov 17 14:28:23 <NIN101> worked on my system
Nov 17 14:28:28 <NIN101> maybe N900's busybox date is differnet
Nov 17 14:28:33 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: now I'm importing my mails to kmail1.9 (supposed to not use akonadi) and it's still annoying akonadi-launcher-daemon and an amazing rate of ~1.5 mails/s 
Nov 17 14:28:53 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101, oh...
Nov 17 14:29:01 <LaoLang_cool> I use the stock busybox
Nov 17 14:29:16 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: with a CPU load of ~100% on a dual core 2.3GHz system
Nov 17 14:29:52 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly you probably could brute force encrypted mails at that rate
Nov 17 14:30:22 <DocScrutinizer05> akonadi devels deserve to get shot
Nov 17 14:30:58 <RST38h> Doc: typical for KDE
Nov 17 14:31:07 <LaoLang_cool> HELP...
Nov 17 14:31:15 <RST38h> Doc: looks like you have never seen aRts for example ;)
Nov 17 14:31:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I know aRts and I nuked it on all my KDE installs so far
Nov 17 14:32:16 <DocScrutinizer05> it's almost as braindead as PA
Nov 17 14:32:26 <DocScrutinizer05> and phonon
Nov 17 14:32:55 <DocScrutinizer05> but you had the option to use a plain clean "aplay" insted of aRts
Nov 17 14:33:08 <DocScrutinizer05> with phonon, no options whatsoever
Nov 17 14:35:43 * RST38h wants his /dev/dsp back
Nov 17 14:35:58 <RST38h> and all these megalomaniacs with their frameworks out
Nov 17 14:36:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm happy with ALSA
Nov 17 14:37:01 <DocScrutinizer05> as long as there's a option to get rid of PA/phonon/aRts/whatever nonsense
Nov 17 14:37:18 <DocScrutinizer05> this KDE4 however, well it's FUBAR
Nov 17 14:37:20 <RST38h> Have you looked inside ALSA?
Nov 17 14:37:22 <DocScrutinizer05> literally
Nov 17 14:37:37 <RST38h> Please, do, but remember to eat well in advance
Nov 17 14:38:17 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: I already suggested patches to ALSA, not accepted since "that's not a bug, that's a design feature"
Nov 17 14:38:34 <DocScrutinizer05> so yes, I already looked into ALSA
Nov 17 14:39:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't love ALSA, I pretty much hate it. But it's still several magnitudes better than any alternative
Nov 17 14:39:48 <jon_y> Pulse Audio! :)
Nov 17 14:39:54 <DocScrutinizer05> puke audio
Nov 17 14:39:59 <jon_y> yeah, lots of screaming over that one
Nov 17 14:40:11 <jon_y> ESD?
Nov 17 14:40:16 <DocScrutinizer05> omg
Nov 17 14:40:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I _do_ _not_ _need_  any soundserver
Nov 17 14:40:57 <RST38h> But it is so cute!
Nov 17 14:41:00 <jon_y> btw, on Linux audio, there is only 1 sink at a time?
Nov 17 14:41:02 <RST38h> And it mixes in userspace!
Nov 17 14:41:02 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a pretty much obsolete concept
Nov 17 14:41:32 <LaoLang_cool> time to sleep, good bye guys, see you!
Nov 17 14:41:39 <jon_y> Windows has userspace mixers, but it lags like shit if you have crap hardware
Nov 17 14:41:59 <RST38h> jon_y: You should be able to open /dev/dsp as many times as you have got sinks
Nov 17 14:42:01 <jon_y> kernel mixers are lag free, but only 1 audio playing at a given time
Nov 17 14:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> then where's the mixing in that?
Nov 17 14:42:32 <jon_y> yeah, it shouldn't be called a mixer
Nov 17 14:42:46 <Venemo> as long as it works without requiring me to mess around with it, I'm pretty fine with any sound server or whatever.
Nov 17 14:43:39 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how we got to audio again?
Nov 17 14:43:57 <jon_y> idk, you were talking about ALSA :)
Nov 17 14:44:00 <RST38h> Doc: poettering -> frameworks -> megalomaniacs -> audio
Nov 17 14:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> it's been dicussed ad nauseum
Nov 17 14:44:10 <RST38h> Doc: ALways proceeds this way, if you have not noticed
Nov 17 14:44:34 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-11-17 15:31:15] <RST38h> Doc: looks like you have never seen aRts for example ;)
Nov 17 14:44:47 <RST38h> Doc: Notice how we still have not got to "designer languages" and version control systems
Nov 17 14:45:10 <DocScrutinizer05> seems it's you who always proceeds this way
Nov 17 14:45:15 <jon_y> "designer languages" <- ?
Nov 17 14:45:19 <RST38h> Doc: that too
Nov 17 14:45:38 <RST38h> jon_y: Python, Ruby, PHP, Perl, etc
Nov 17 14:45:49 <DocScrutinizer05> don't think i'd not notice or couldn't handle your trolling me
Nov 17 14:46:04 <jon_y> RST38h: what so designer about them?
Nov 17 14:46:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just bored so did you the favour
Nov 17 14:46:10 <RST38h> Doc: You have been out of shape after beingdepressed by KDE4
Nov 17 14:46:19 <RST38h> Doc: So it is understandable
Nov 17 14:47:02 <RST38h> jon_y: Authors created their languages on a whim, non of the authors had decent computer science education on the topic
Nov 17 14:47:28 <jon_y> Perl is pretty good, at least when I tried it
Nov 17 14:48:15 <jon_y> learning curve is in the syntax
Nov 17 14:48:20 <RST38h> Perl is the only one created by an actual linguist
Nov 17 14:48:30 <DocScrutinizer05> perl is what raped my CPU last time, by `perl -foo spamssassin` - prolly not perl's fault though
Nov 17 14:48:34 <RST38h> Hence is its syntax
Nov 17 14:49:02 <jon_y> once you get the basics, it very much flows easily
Nov 17 14:49:05 <DocScrutinizer05> linguist? WTF!
Nov 17 14:49:11 <RST38h> Doc: Well, perl is perfectly capable of cpu rape, but at least it has got SOME use
Nov 17 14:49:24 <jon_y> felt that way when I learned perl
Nov 17 14:50:00 <jon_y>  I can perfectly rape the cpu with C while(1){} :)
Nov 17 14:50:01 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like "learn esperanto, it's a clean language" to me
Nov 17 14:50:08 <RST38h> While in graduate school at UC Berkeley, Wall and his wife were studying linguistics with the intention afterwards of finding an unwritten language, perhaps in Africa, and creating a writing system for it.
Nov 17 14:50:10 <Ken-Young> The *best* thing about python is it's slowly killing perl.
Nov 17 14:50:30 <RST38h> jon_y: You can't, most system schedulers will not agree with you
Nov 17 14:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> in my book, linguists have NFC about programming
Nov 17 14:50:45 <jon_y> hopefully it is easy to write python extensions in C
Nov 17 14:50:50 <DocScrutinizer05> neither about control or data structures
Nov 17 14:50:56 <RST38h> Ken: Unlike Perl, Python does not appear to have much point
Nov 17 14:51:19 <RST38h> Doc: Wall also worked as a programmer at Unisys
Nov 17 14:51:30 <RST38h> Doc: And he has got..mmm... rather eclectic education
Nov 17 14:52:05 <jon_y> about python, OMG the tabs
Nov 17 14:52:24 <jon_y> well, I haven't really used it, so I can't say much
Nov 17 14:52:27 <RST38h> jon_y: Forget the tabs. Look at how they do OOP
Nov 17 14:52:30 <Ken-Young> jon_y, You can use spaces!
Nov 17 14:52:49 <jon_y> for quick and dirty, I still stick with perl
Nov 17 14:53:05 <jon_y> I did want to learn python, but haven't gotten into it
Nov 17 15:02:53 <Venemo> perl is pretty much a write-only language imo
Nov 17 15:02:54 <kerio> jon_y: if you use tabs in a python file, unless you're doing so because you joined a project that used tabs for indentation, i will hunt you down and brutally murder you
Nov 17 15:03:12 <kerio> ok, maybe not
Nov 17 15:03:16 <kerio> but still, don't use tabs, use spaces
Nov 17 15:03:19 <RST38h> Venemo: Depends on how you write it
Nov 17 15:03:24 <Venemo> I don't
Nov 17 15:03:26 <Venemo> at all
Nov 17 15:03:30 <kerio> Venemo: +1
Nov 17 15:03:36 <RST38h> Venemo: But yes, Perl makes it easy to write unreadable code
Nov 17 15:03:51 <kerio> jon_y: python's object model is fucking awesome
Nov 17 15:04:01 <RST38h> kerio <- pervert
Nov 17 15:04:08 <kerio> RST38h: ?
Nov 17 15:04:28 <RST38h> about as awesome as a frog model where you have to pull strings to make the frog move
Nov 17 15:04:43 <kerio> huh?
Nov 17 15:05:50 <kerio> what's your problem with python's object model?
Nov 17 15:05:52 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Nov 17 15:06:16 <kerio> i mean, if you're used to perl your problem is probably the fact that *there are objects*
Nov 17 15:06:51 <RST38h> no
Nov 17 15:10:10 <DocScrutinizer05> kmailCVT memory usage: 4,621,700k
Nov 17 15:11:27 <DocScrutinizer05> akonadi_agent_launcher CPU time, user: 10,620s, sys: 2,046s
Nov 17 15:13:33 <DocScrutinizer05> kmailcvt CPU user: 19,253.7s
Nov 17 15:13:35 <jon_y> kerio: agreed, I use spaces
Nov 17 15:14:08 <kolp> DocScrutinizer05: Why not use IMAP?
Nov 17 15:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry?
Nov 17 15:14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> why not eat a banana?
Nov 17 15:15:11 <jon_y> eeww IMAP
Nov 17 15:15:15 <kolp> No need to import mail into kmail directly
Nov 17 15:15:24 <jon_y> pop3 is the only valid option
Nov 17 15:15:27 <jon_y> :)
Nov 17 15:15:52 <DocScrutinizer05> none of those is an option to move mails from one directory on my local PC to another
Nov 17 15:15:54 <RST38h> Doc: wow, it must be working on somethign really serious!
Nov 17 15:16:28 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: importing some 200k mails
Nov 17 15:16:37 <RST38h> Doc: Actually, he has got an interesting idea - run a local IMAP server :)
Nov 17 15:16:44 <RST38h> Never import!
Nov 17 15:16:49 <DocScrutinizer05> from one dir to another, basically
Nov 17 15:17:37 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: rrrrrrright, couldn't be more slow
Nov 17 15:18:36 * RST38h uses PINE, with emails stored as plain unindexed files
Nov 17 15:18:50 <RST38h> Surprisingly usable even with huge folders
Nov 17 15:18:58 <DocScrutinizer05> it's literally importing ~1.5 mails/s from backup/oldPC/.kde/applications/kmail to some kmail folder
Nov 17 15:19:37 <DocScrutinizer05> the mails are average 30k size
Nov 17 15:19:44 <Venemo> lol
Nov 17 15:19:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and it's raping my dual core CPU for this, since >10h now
Nov 17 15:20:29 <RST38h> Do you have an exit strategy by the way?
Nov 17 15:20:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, killall
Nov 17 15:20:42 <RST38h> i.e. how are you going to get those emails OUT OF AKONADI?
Nov 17 15:21:10 <RST38h> Once the next maniac replaces it with something even more elaborate?
Nov 17 15:21:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm still puzzled how akonadi comes in for kmail1.9
Nov 17 15:21:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm hoping once they are imported to kmail1.9, I'll never again see akonadi anywhere
Nov 17 15:22:03 <Venemo> what is akonadi anyway?
Nov 17 15:22:09 <DocScrutinizer05> crap
Nov 17 15:23:57 <DocScrutinizer05> there's stuff like akonadi-daemon-pop3, *-imap etc
Nov 17 15:24:32 <DocScrutinizer05> some "brilliant" idea for a backend framework once again
Nov 17 15:25:12 <DocScrutinizer05> it's pretty useful to make your mail client spawn ~150 processes
Nov 17 15:25:27 <DocScrutinizer05> all of them talking to each other via dbus, aiui
Nov 17 15:25:57 <DocScrutinizer05> friggin retarded concept
Nov 17 15:28:44 <DocScrutinizer05> tbh I'm afraid the kde3-kmail, on "import", invoked the kde4-kmailcvt, and all those imported mails will not end up in kmail1.9 but in kde4-kmail2
Nov 17 15:32:21 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: mail agent dont fetch mails in background? maybe that the reason high load?
Nov 17 15:33:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: it's an import, from a local directory
Nov 17 15:34:10 <DocScrutinizer05> into a virgin kmail1.9 (no accounts set up)
Nov 17 15:35:12 <Drathir> interesting whem ported thunderbird to arm...
Nov 17 15:35:36 <Drathir> when*
Nov 17 15:36:22 <Drathir> builit-in nokia for now must be enough...
Nov 17 16:24:15 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: why weren't you using a client with support for unix maildirs?
Nov 17 16:24:46 <kerio> or mbox, if you're worried about fragmentation
Nov 17 16:26:13 * ShadowJK uses kmail with Maildirs 
Nov 17 16:29:45 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: >:-((
Nov 17 16:30:21 <DocScrutinizer05> what do you think I tried to import?
Nov 17 16:31:41 <DocScrutinizer05> btw if you're interested: kmailcvt finished importing, but started raping CPU even worse, and ate ~3MB RAM / 10s. Had to kill it >:-(
Nov 17 16:33:58 <DocScrutinizer05> like I expected: not a single friggin mail got 'imported' to kmail1.9
Nov 17 16:34:54 <DocScrutinizer05> now for locating a few GB of file rubbish the action of last 12h left on my HDD
Nov 17 16:36:09 <RiD> my n900's motherboard is now on someone's unknown hands
Nov 17 16:36:17 <kerio> yay
Nov 17 16:36:28 <RiD> ... he instantly recognized it was from a n900, so I'm confident he's going to do it all pretty well
Nov 17 16:36:39 * DocScrutinizer05 expects to find a gorgeous 10GB mysql db file somewhere
Nov 17 16:36:57 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: hold on, you have your mail in a mbox?
Nov 17 16:37:02 <kerio> (or a maildir)
Nov 17 16:37:05 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Nov 17 16:37:09 <DocScrutinizer05> maildir
Nov 17 16:37:13 <kerio> keep it there!
Nov 17 16:37:26 <DocScrutinizer05> GRRRRR
Nov 17 16:37:32 <kerio> no srsly
Nov 17 16:38:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I haven't planned to rm them
Nov 17 16:38:22 <kerio> i meant
Nov 17 16:38:26 <kerio> use a client that supports them
Nov 17 16:38:41 <DocScrutinizer05> DAFAQ kmail is supposed to do exactly that
Nov 17 16:39:00 <DocScrutinizer05> at least kmail1.9
Nov 17 16:39:16 <kerio> well something has clearly gone wrong
Nov 17 16:39:23 <kerio> you don't want to import it, just use it
Nov 17 16:39:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ORLY
Nov 17 16:39:30 <kerio> YARLY
Nov 17 16:40:55 <RiD> http://files.myopera.com/Sk8r644/albums/510337/Ya%20Rly.jpg
Nov 17 16:41:01 <RiD> i like owls face
Nov 17 16:41:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~dict import
Nov 17 16:41:24 <infobot> Dictionary 'import' (1 of 13): an imported person brought from a foreign country; "the lead role was played by an import from Sweden"; "they are descendants of indentured importees" .
Nov 17 16:42:05 <kerio> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1295318 OH LAWDS
Nov 17 16:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> could we nuke that BS off tmo, please?
Nov 17 16:43:29 <DocScrutinizer05> for all I know that .zip could be a virus or whatever
Nov 17 16:43:43 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: ^^^
Nov 17 16:43:44 <kerio> nah bro its totally legit my net accelerated 100%
Nov 17 16:43:50 <kerio> and yes, there's a .scr inside
Nov 17 16:43:53 <DocScrutinizer05> yo sure
Nov 17 16:44:08 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: !!!!!
Nov 17 16:44:25 <kerio> to be completely honest, anyone falling for that probably deserves it
Nov 17 16:45:19 <kerio> idea for the next forum: if enough people with high karma report something, it gets temporarily blocked
Nov 17 16:45:24 <kerio> automatically
Nov 17 16:47:26 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: brilliant idea, no kidding. Make a post-it note so you don't forget about it
Nov 17 16:47:45 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: !!!!!
Nov 17 16:50:50 <vi___> what is this brilliant idea?
Nov 17 16:50:54 <vi___> ~seen stkeeps
Nov 17 16:51:01 <infobot> vi___: i haven't seen 'stkeeps'
Nov 17 16:51:04 <vi___> ?
Nov 17 16:51:08 <vi___> ~seen st-keeps
Nov 17 16:51:08 <infobot> vi___: i haven't seen 'st-keeps'
Nov 17 16:56:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen stskeeps
Nov 17 16:56:24 <infobot> stskeeps is currently on #meego (1d 7h 22m 27s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 47m 27s, last said: 'check "publish" flag'.
Nov 17 16:57:08 <DocScrutinizer05> (([2012-11-17 17:50:50] <vi___> what is this brilliant idea?)) see 4 lines above your question, 2 lines above my comment
Nov 17 17:05:47 <kerio> vi___: automatic blocking of posts when they get reported by a certain total karma
Nov 17 17:08:07 <vi___> kerio: interesting.
Nov 17 17:08:34 <vi___> So if all us high and mightys gang up we can effectivly 'silence' somone?
Nov 17 17:10:56 <kerio> temporarily
Nov 17 17:11:24 <kerio> with ripercussions if abused
Nov 17 17:35:49 <Lava_Croft> Sounds like something that would not turn out bad at all, given human nature
Nov 17 17:35:51 <RzR> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/11/14/business/14reuters-texasinstruments-jobcuts.html
Nov 17 17:35:54 <Lava_Croft> right?
Nov 17 17:37:05 <vi___> how do I create an empty ext3 disk image?
Nov 17 17:37:31 <SpeedEvil> did, mke2fs
Nov 17 17:37:35 <SpeedEvil> dd
Nov 17 17:47:55 <kerio> dd of=image count=0 seek=8G && mkfs.ext3 image
Nov 17 17:48:41 <kerio> er, whoops
Nov 17 17:48:47 <kerio> dd of=image count=0 bs=1 seek=8g
Nov 17 17:50:10 <kerio> otherwise it's going to make a 4096GiB image
Nov 17 18:02:23 <vi___> I have an image file here, how do I determine wtf it is?
Nov 17 18:03:43 <vi___> WTF is there no documentation or man page for fiasco-gen?
Nov 17 18:03:45 <vi___> FFS
Nov 17 18:04:00 <vi___> HOW THE F are you supposed to use this fucking piece of fucking shit?
Nov 17 18:06:40 <kerio> you're not
Nov 17 18:06:43 <kerio> also, "file"
Nov 17 18:16:55 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: fiasco-gen --help  ;-P
Nov 17 18:17:04 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: ask aunt google
Nov 17 18:17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> what makes me wonder is: ARMEL: unsatisfied dependency: libusb
Nov 17 18:17:59 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: --help is as much use as a toffee onion.
Nov 17 18:18:39 <DocScrutinizer05> duh, why?
Nov 17 18:18:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Usage: fiasco-gen [OPTIONS]
Nov 17 18:18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Options:
Nov 17 18:18:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Nov 17 18:19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> seriously though, MohammadAG managed to figure how to use it, so I guess there's some way to google or guess how it works
Nov 17 18:20:05 <DocScrutinizer05> MohammadAG: how's missiles?
Nov 17 18:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> MohammadAG: friggin idiots everywhere, no?
Nov 17 18:22:24 <Lava_Croft> 'friggin' idiots' is a good term to describe the people fueling the fire on both sides
Nov 17 18:22:44 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Nov 17 18:24:40 <DocScrutinizer05> the most odd thing: meanwhile I'd believe of each side to shoot their *own* people, pretending it's been the enemy, so to get a justification to fire 'back'
Nov 17 18:28:55 <vi___> well what is the differance between MMC image and RAW MMC image?
Nov 17 18:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Nov 17 18:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a diff somewhere?
Nov 17 18:29:31 <freemangordon> vi___: header?
Nov 17 18:29:42 <freemangordon> with geometry description?
Nov 17 18:30:23 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, without context the question is void
Nov 17 18:30:30 <Lava_Croft> DocScrutinizer05: The wounds of those people have run so deep for so long that it's basically impossible to wrap your head around it
Nov 17 18:30:49 <kerio> which sides?
Nov 17 18:31:14 <DocScrutinizer05> IL vs hamas
Nov 17 18:31:18 <kerio> oic
Nov 17 18:32:49 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: if you refer to fiasco-gen, the difference is in "append" rather than "raw", I'd guess
Nov 17 18:33:17 <DocScrutinizer05>   -m, --mmc=ARG            Location of MMC image
Nov 17 18:33:19 <DocScrutinizer05>       --mmc-append=ARG     MMC raw image to append
Nov 17 18:33:28 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: I dunno, stop aggressively expanding and maybe your neighbours will be a little less agro.
Nov 17 18:35:48 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: if it's about my opinion, i'd lock them into a bunker, all of them, in one* bunker, for 4 weeks at least. With 2000 baseball bats
Nov 17 18:36:12 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: That works for me.
Nov 17 18:36:22 <Lava_Croft> why lock those arabs there
Nov 17 18:36:46 <Lava_Croft> i mean, israel was just put there after ww2
Nov 17 18:37:04 <kerio> israel has a lot more rights to be there than palestine, imo
Nov 17 18:37:05 <DocScrutinizer05> if nothing else, then for Landshut
Nov 17 18:37:08 <kerio> they've got more money and better tech
Nov 17 18:37:30 <kerio> occupying like this is BS, though
Nov 17 18:37:35 <kerio> they should've declared a proper war
Nov 17 18:37:43 <kerio> we've got proper ways of doing that
Nov 17 18:37:59 <vi___> kerio> israel has a lot more rights to be there than palestine, imo
Nov 17 18:38:04 <vi___> are you shitting me?
Nov 17 18:38:24 <kerio> vi___: being there first is of no use if the other side has more money and better tech
Nov 17 18:38:24 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: he just entered trolling mode, didn't you realize?
Nov 17 18:38:29 <vi___> ...they were there first.
Nov 17 18:38:55 <kerio> yep, and israel is stronger
Nov 17 18:38:57 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe sarcasm mode
Nov 17 18:39:05 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: a lil' bit of both
Nov 17 18:39:18 <Lava_Croft> thankgod im a white western guy and my kind of people have absolutely nothing to do with the current cesspool that is the middle east
Nov 17 18:39:26 * Lava_Croft whistles the tune of innocence
Nov 17 18:39:30 <kerio> Lava_Croft: indeed!
Nov 17 18:39:49 <kerio> Lava_Croft: or the countless invasion over the millennia
Nov 17 18:39:51 <kerio> *invasions
Nov 17 18:40:04 <vi___> Lava_Croft: uk?
Nov 17 18:40:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah sure. (leaving out the ambivalent role of decisions of western superforces after WW2)
Nov 17 18:40:23 <Lava_Croft> the short-term memory failure of the white man is very, very grave
Nov 17 18:40:36 <Lava_Croft> vi___: NL
Nov 17 18:43:08 <DocScrutinizer05> (also omitting the massive support by USA, the nuklear proliferation by French frogs, the submarines delivered by Germany to transport those nukes everywhere)
Nov 17 18:44:00 <DocScrutinizer05> meh! politics
Nov 17 18:44:22 <vi___> goddamnit, I cannot even use the original firmware to generate a new fiasco image.
Nov 17 18:44:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ask MohammadAG
Nov 17 18:44:47 <vi___> After I have extracted the fat32 image from emmc image, how do I tell if it is a raw image?
Nov 17 18:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or robbiethe1st
Nov 17 18:45:24 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: robbie only ever succeeded in making a rootfs image.
Nov 17 18:45:43 <vi___> He did not roll it into a flashable .bin
Nov 17 18:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Nov 17 18:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I thought there's been a fiasco img with BM somewhere
Nov 17 18:46:41 <DocScrutinizer05> flashable
Nov 17 18:46:57 <vi___> a rootfs image, not rolled into a .bin container.
Nov 17 18:47:36 <DocScrutinizer05> what's the use of such 'image', what's even the meaning of 'image' here?
Nov 17 18:49:04 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever, what makes you think there are other mmc images than of type 'raw'?
Nov 17 18:54:28 <DocScrutinizer05> you probably also might ask Pali, he might know a bit about fiasco.bin structure and fiasco-gen, due to his RE of flasher
Nov 17 19:10:26 <Wizzup__> So I'
Nov 17 19:10:29 <Wizzup__> ... that went well
Nov 17 19:10:30 <Wizzup__> So I
Nov 17 19:10:31 <Wizzup__> ...
Nov 17 19:10:42 <Wizzup__> So I'm having a problem with this bluetooth keyboard... :-) 
Nov 17 19:10:52 <Wizzup__> I can pair with it initially, using 6-digit PIN (must be 6)
Nov 17 19:11:14 <Wizzup__> And then it will work, until I turn it off. When I turn the keyboard on again, it will automatically try to reconnect (my n900 asks me if I want to connect to it)
Nov 17 19:11:24 <Wizzup__> And then apparently it is connected, but the n900 no longer picks up key input from it
Nov 17 19:11:27 <Wizzup__> (It does this the first time)
Nov 17 19:11:58 <kerio> Wizzup__: are you using extkbd?
Nov 17 19:12:05 <kerio> is it a HID keyboard?
Nov 17 19:12:56 <Wizzup__> I think I am using extkdb, I have an External Keyboard settings menu (in Settings), and I think it is HID, yes
Nov 17 19:13:15 <Wizzup__> Supported profiles: HID, Device type: Keyboard
Nov 17 19:14:06 <kerio> so you have to repair it again to make it work?
Nov 17 19:14:23 <kerio> usual: have you tried restarting bluetoothd and/or rebooting?
Nov 17 19:15:30 <Wizzup__> kerio: ``repair'' in the sense that I delete the device from bt devices, then pair again
Nov 17 19:15:43 <Wizzup__> (apart from this it works really well, even volume keys work, lol:)
Nov 17 19:15:51 <Wizzup__> kerio: Hm, rebooting the phone?
Nov 17 19:16:05 <Wizzup__> Note that there is actual crash, and the devices are ``connected'', just no keys are being sent
Nov 17 19:16:16 <Wizzup__> The keyboard automagically connects to the phone again, and I can press yes to accept the connection
Nov 17 19:16:28 <Wizzup__> er
Nov 17 19:16:33 <Wizzup__> note that there is _no_ actual crash****
Nov 17 19:16:53 <kerio> also, do you have another bluetooth device that supports keyboards?
Nov 17 19:16:58 <kerio> *device with bluetooth
Nov 17 19:18:37 <kerio> freemangordon: *poke*
Nov 17 19:19:28 <Wizzup__> kerio: possibly, yes. I can try my laptop but I don't think I really did BT with it
Nov 17 19:19:57 <kerio> Wizzup__: this is so we can rule out any quirkyness of your keyboard
Nov 17 19:22:35 <Wizzup__> btw, I think it is this one (I was surprised it worked at all) http://rapoo.com/showdetails.aspx?P_No=E6300
Nov 17 19:24:03 <kerio> why shouldn't it work? it's a bluetooth HID keyboard
Nov 17 19:24:08 <kerio> they should Just Work™
Nov 17 19:25:39 <Wizzup__> kerio: Well, I guess. But initially it took me a _long_ time to figure out it had to be a 6 digit PIN
Nov 17 19:25:46 <Wizzup__> Instead of the (default, afaik) 4 digit pin
Nov 17 19:25:50 <kerio> that's a weird thing... it shouldn't be
Nov 17 19:26:02 <Wizzup__> I just think there's something not being activated on the n900 on reconnect
Nov 17 19:26:07 <kerio> i can pair my keyboard with a 1-digit pin
Nov 17 19:26:18 <Wizzup__> Since it is the KB that is reinitiating the connection rather than the phone, maybe?
Nov 17 19:26:21 <kerio> also, what's opening the connection? the keyboard or the n900?
Nov 17 19:26:22 <kerio> heh
Nov 17 19:26:26 <kerio> try connecting from the n900
Nov 17 19:28:21 <Wizzup__> OK, but the keyboard tries to connect hehe
Nov 17 19:28:26 <Wizzup__> Maybe I can make the n900 ``hidden''
Nov 17 19:29:49 <Wizzup__> kerio: connecting from the phone gives me ``Connection failed to <DEVICE>''
Nov 17 19:30:01 <kerio> weird
Nov 17 19:30:21 <kerio> Wizzup__: enter the "pairing mode" on the keyboard and connect again
Nov 17 19:30:30 <kerio> maybe the keyboard just forgets it's paired
Nov 17 19:31:01 <Wizzup__> Are there some debugging tools?
Nov 17 19:31:04 <Wizzup__> dmesg doesn't show anything
Nov 17 19:31:09 <Wizzup__> I'd like to know that the n900 state is
Nov 17 19:31:18 <Wizzup__> It says ``connected''
Nov 17 19:31:37 <kerio> install sysklogd and klogd, add "-d" to the bluetoothd command line in /etc/event.d/bluetoothd, stop and start bluetoothd
Nov 17 19:31:51 <Wizzup__> That sounds good, I will do this in a bitr
Nov 17 19:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> my headset never makes N900 ask me if I want to connect when I power it up, it simply is connected as soon as I do
Nov 17 19:37:48 <kerio> mine too, i set it as "authorized" or whatever
Nov 17 19:37:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Nov 17 19:38:00 <kerio> to be fair that's kind of a stupid thing
Nov 17 19:38:02 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the 'trick'
Nov 17 19:38:12 <kerio> anything can connect to your n900 by spoofing the BT MAC
Nov 17 19:38:13 <Wizzup__> DocScrutinizer05: @ ask, I set it to not be ``trusted'' so I saw what was happenning.
Nov 17 19:38:22 <Wizzup__> (so I can press yes/no to accept conns)
Nov 17 19:38:27 <DocScrutinizer05> @ ask ??
Nov 17 19:38:32 <Wizzup__> 20:36 < DocScrutinizer05> my headset never makes N900 ask me if I want to connect when I power it up, it simply is connected as soon as I do
Nov 17 19:38:36 <Wizzup__> > ask
Nov 17 19:38:48 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Nov 17 19:39:09 <Wizzup__> kerio: also, it seems that pressing ``no'' on the dialog still connects :) hehe
Nov 17 19:39:31 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer05: you want that stuff implemented you have to talk to reggie, otoh uploading or sharing zips... ppl still falling for that joke?
Nov 17 19:39:54 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: nfc
Nov 17 19:40:04 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, nuke the thread please
Nov 17 19:40:07 <chem|st> oh sry over the time I forgot we deal with dumb users still
Nov 17 19:40:52 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer05: the thread seems nuked to me... following the link ended up in "no post here, admin might removed it"
Nov 17 19:41:22 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, user me.mr posts:1 thanks:0 no text in post and just a zip attachment. Still it's working sometimes
Nov 17 19:41:36 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Nov 17 19:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, already vanished
Nov 17 19:42:32 <DocScrutinizer05> can't be more than 30min ago
Nov 17 19:43:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=65668 seems not banned though
Nov 17 19:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, he is
Nov 17 19:44:53 <chem|st> btw there is a reason why there is the "Report This" link on every post! and no it is not just to make you feel save reading it... for starters... move your pointer over it (exactly! use your mouse to do that!) and click it... magix will happen if you complete the quest comming up and you might get candy for it some day
Nov 17 19:45:29 <Wizzup__> kerio: can I also just start bluetoothd with the flag?
Nov 17 19:45:33 <Wizzup__> (so I don't need klogd etc)
Nov 17 19:45:36 <DocScrutinizer05> where's my candy? ;-P
Nov 17 19:45:46 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer05: you had enough already!
Nov 17 19:46:42 <kerio> Wizzup__: the log is in syslog
Nov 17 19:46:44 <kerio> iirc
Nov 17 19:46:45 <chem|st> maybe we should get some more people moderating that shithole!
Nov 17 19:46:50 <kerio> ask luf, he'll know better
Nov 17 19:47:36 <Wizzup__> kerio: I see, running it standalone in debug mode certainly doesn't work
Nov 17 19:47:42 <Wizzup__> (it prints nothing extra)
Nov 17 19:48:23 <trumee> DocScrutinizer05: i got back my N900 with a fixed usb port by Nokia care
Nov 17 19:48:44 <DocScrutinizer05> trumee: INCREDIBLE
Nov 17 19:49:17 <trumee> DocScrutinizer05: was charged only £30 which wasnt bad
Nov 17 19:49:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds fair
Nov 17 19:49:53 <kerio> neat
Nov 17 19:49:54 <trumee> DocScrutinizer05: in the mean time i bought a Note 2 too :)
Nov 17 19:50:01 <kerio> trumee: >:C
Nov 17 19:50:18 <trumee> and Csipsimple on  android is very very nice.
Nov 17 19:50:26 <DocScrutinizer05> nananaaahna I don't hear you (putting fingers into ears)
Nov 17 19:50:42 <trumee> very nice zrtp/srtp support and flawless sip calls
Nov 17 19:53:03 <trumee> although there is nothing as nice as xchat on android, and biggest feature i miss is scp/sftp support so i cant use kde to drop files over using fish
Nov 17 19:53:25 <fil> has anyone compiled git-annex for Maemo? (and if not, how about haskel?) ((and if not, what's the simplest way to run git-annex on an n900?))
Nov 17 19:56:29 <Drathir> hi
Nov 17 19:57:13 <Drathir> somthing interesting happen when not be here?
Nov 17 19:57:31 <DocScrutinizer05> Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog  ;-)
Nov 17 19:58:52 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: thanks other way have session in screen but what i see yoy all guys writa a lot of msg... 
Nov 17 19:58:56 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: we should, first of all, get a statement from reggie about his plans when Nokia ramps down sponsoring
Nov 17 20:00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: would you, as a moderator, have a direct line to ask him if he's willing to continue hosting tmo?
Nov 17 20:00:52 <Drathir> but nices log colorfull ^^
Nov 17 20:01:04 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: ...since nobody is interested in changing things, if they can stay as they are
Nov 17 20:02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: if he needs other funding to continue tmo after Nokia hits the road, we should talk about that
Nov 17 20:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd be surprised to learn he's not interested in tmo anymore, when Nokia stops funding. Money is money, you either get the amount you need or not. 
Nov 17 20:05:04 <Wizzup__> kerio: it seems that when I start pair (not paired yet), state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER ; then, when paired, state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH ENCRYPT ; then, when I turn off, wait a bit, and turn on, accept conn
Nov 17 20:05:08 <Wizzup__> state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER
Nov 17 20:05:35 <kerio> freemangordon: you know about BT keyboards, right?
Nov 17 20:09:57 <Wizzup__> kerio: fiddling around a bit with hcitool (hcitool auth <addr>) and hcitool enc <addr>) made it work
Nov 17 20:10:00 <Wizzup__> somehow
Nov 17 20:10:18 <kerio> Wizzup__: i wonder why that isn't enabled by default
Nov 17 20:10:36 <Wizzup__> It is when the pin thing is done
Nov 17 20:11:23 <kerio> try figuring out a way to automatically enable those for a certain device
Nov 17 20:13:32 <Wizzup__> maybe udev + script?
Nov 17 20:17:26 <kerio> nah, there's gotta be something in the bluez config
Nov 17 20:18:02 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, I think you should pair as trusted device, and it should 'just work'
Nov 17 20:18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> non-trusted devices may not reconnect aiui
Nov 17 20:18:47 <Wizzup__> DocScrutinizer05: I did pair it as a trusted device now
Nov 17 20:19:58 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe it's worth deleting the BT device (unpair), and do the whole pairing from scratch again
Nov 17 20:20:13 <Wizzup__> DocScrutinizer05: that is the only way to get it work in the first place.
Nov 17 20:20:17 <Wizzup__> (every time)
Nov 17 20:20:18 <Wizzup__> That's the issue.
Nov 17 20:20:44 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Nov 17 20:21:18 <Wizzup__> Please tell me what the issue is
Nov 17 20:21:19 <DocScrutinizer05> you said the kbd triggers a requester on you N900. that's not supposed to happen when both devices never heard of each other
Nov 17 20:21:42 <Wizzup__> DocScrutinizer05: that was before I re-paired, and I also gave the motivation behind this move
Nov 17 20:22:24 <DocScrutinizer05> do you think the motivation changes something in the way the CPU executes the program?
Nov 17 20:22:49 <Wizzup__> You need to-read what I said or stop mocking me
Nov 17 20:23:02 <DocScrutinizer05> :shrug:
Nov 17 20:23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> got better things to do than "to mock you" 
Nov 17 20:23:55 <Wizzup__> Well, making fun of me even though I already tried the exact steps you suggested (as you can see by what I read) is something I see as mocking
Nov 17 20:24:03 <Wizzup__> s/read/wrote/
Nov 17 20:24:03 <infobot> Wizzup__ meant: Well, making fun of me even though I alwrotey tried the exact steps you suggested (as you can see by what I read) is something I see as mocking
Nov 17 20:24:30 <Wizzup__> infobot: I'll append a 2 next time
Nov 17 20:47:12 <DocScrutinizer05> YAY https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_IRC_cloak_list
Nov 17 20:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> >>This page was last modified on 2 March 2011, at 15:18<<
Nov 17 20:55:02 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: can i get a cloak?
Nov 17 20:55:45 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo/community/kerio, why not
Nov 17 20:55:58 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Nov 17 20:55:59 <kerio> :3
Nov 17 20:56:10 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo/community/contributor//kerio, 
Nov 17 21:05:32 <kerio> i want maemo/community/troll/kerio
Nov 17 21:23:50 <fil> BTW What's the state of the art with n900 SIP calls? -- are they still expected to be pretty horrid, or has the problem been found & fixed?
Nov 17 21:24:47 <fil> (I've not looked into this for a year or so, but had no luck trying to get decent calls with my n900 talking to freeswitch last time I looked)
Nov 17 21:26:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I had pretty good quality SIP calls since beginning, others not so much. And there's no known fix yet, not even a known problem
Nov 17 21:30:22 <fil> yeah -- I have decent quality for a while (30s?) then a load of drop-out, then sometimes it gets it's act together, others it becomes completely unusable, occasionally I get good quality with a big round trip delay
Nov 17 21:35:29 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: but i have problem with sip...
Nov 17 21:36:50 <Drathir> but not sure server or phone side...
Nov 17 21:51:40 <Drathir> but also can do xmpp calls thats is nice option...
Nov 17 21:52:18 <Drathir> good alternative to skype...
Nov 17 21:56:46 <DocScrutinizer05> :-/    835M    /home/jr/.local/share/.local-mail.directory/.imprt.directory/.KMail-Import.directory
Nov 17 21:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> incredible how kmailcvt can use 5GB of ram for importing 835M of mails
Nov 17 22:00:01 <DocScrutinizer05> actually even way more, since in total the process ate better half of my 8GB RAM plus 75% of 8BG swap
Nov 17 22:06:50 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: use sylpheed
Nov 17 22:07:04 <kerio> the pine/mutt of gtk
Nov 17 22:11:21 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: bad optimized fof small files operation...
Nov 17 22:13:13 <Drathir> anyone use more than one jabber account?
Nov 17 22:14:06 <kerio> Drathir: there's probably someone
Nov 17 22:17:17 <Drathir> sad that in contact name dont see send by account 1 account 2 
Nov 17 22:18:17 <kerio> Drathir: well, very few clients handle that well, even on a proper computer
Nov 17 22:18:33 <Drathir> even if contact doesnt on second account list...
Nov 17 22:18:35 <kerio> are you sure there's no way to choose, though?
Nov 17 22:18:39 <kerio> damn shame
Nov 17 22:19:57 <Drathir> kerio: now sec ago i see that im not sure must looks closer with this issue...
Nov 17 22:20:35 <Drathir> maybe somewhere is hidden option to enable that behaviour...
Nov 17 22:23:39 <Drathir> but also if contact is doubled on two different servers is little harder because must be more options to chose on server 1 from this server and server 2 and also on server 2 from this server and server 1
Nov 17 22:29:39 <Drathir> but maybe this be easier to do with some kind of submenu or doubled contact which server from  but this will be interesting...
Nov 17 22:48:06 <Drathir> kerio: for pc best 4me is psi+ or psi...
Nov 17 22:49:22 <Drathir> clean minimalistic not too shiny but enough for all...
Nov 17 23:00:14 <vi___> MohammadAG: ping
Nov 17 23:55:51 <vi___> fiasco-gen?
Nov 17 23:56:07 <vi___> who is to blame for this utter piece of shit?
Nov 17 23:57:35 <vi___> I have tried every combnation of EVERYTHING.
Nov 17 23:57:47 <vi___> update failed.
Nov 17 23:57:50 <vi___> WTF.
Nov 17 23:57:54 <Cor-Ai> :/
Nov 17 23:58:05 <vi___> I cannot even generate a flashable image from the original mmc image.
Nov 17 23:58:12 <vi___> The fuck is this piece of shit.
Nov 17 23:58:16 <RiD> i guess...
Nov 17 23:58:16 <vi___> fucking hell.
Nov 17 23:58:17 <RiD> it is a fiasco
Nov 17 23:58:19 <vi___> fuck.
Nov 17 23:58:20 * RiD puts on sunglasses
Nov 17 23:58:55 <vi___> If anyone has any secret knowledge on fiasco-gen, please, by all means speak.
Nov 17 23:59:47 <vi___> If anyone knows of ANYONE who as actually sucessfully generated a flashable image, PLEASE.  I beg of you in the name of god and all that is holy.  Share the secret incantation THAT WILL MAKE THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WORK.
Nov 18 00:00:47 <vi___> fiasco-gen -g --mmc=../emmc/mmc --mmc-partition="mydocs" --layout=layout -o test.bin
Nov 18 00:00:51 <RiD> lol firefox os is such an android clone
Nov 18 00:03:09 <vi___> generates a fiasco image from the original mmc.
Nov 18 00:03:30 <vi___> when you try to flash it, it gets to 96% then says update failed.
Nov 18 00:04:03 <vi___> EVERY.
Nov 18 00:04:07 <vi___> FUCKING.
Nov 18 00:04:08 <vi___> TIME.
Nov 18 00:04:13 <RiD> you're happy
Nov 18 00:04:23 <RiD> sounds like me when my microusb fell out
Nov 18 00:04:26 <vi___> RiD: I have been trying to make this work for over 10 hours.
Nov 18 00:04:39 <RiD> i have had not used my n900 for almost 2 months
Nov 18 00:05:08 <RiD> anyways, good luck (You'll *NEED* it). I have to go
Nov 18 00:05:14 <vi___> WTF would nokia release such a piece of utter shit without documentation?
Nov 18 00:05:39 <RiD> to make us feel like dumbasses
Nov 18 00:05:49 <RiD> and taking revenge of all the microusb critics
Nov 18 00:05:52 * RiD theory
Nov 18 00:11:20 <vi___> go eat a bag of dicks nokia.
Nov 18 00:11:54 <Drathir> vi___: what is about oryginal flash size compared with create by you? maybe have some kind of strange size check?
Nov 18 00:11:54 <SpeedEvil> vi___: :-( 
Nov 18 00:13:26 <vi___> Drathir: No, I am using the original mmc vfat image to avoid that kind of problem.
Nov 18 00:13:31 <vi___> SpeedEvil: Any tips?
Nov 18 00:13:42 <SpeedEvil> alas, no idea
Nov 18 00:14:28 <SpeedEvil> why are you trying to make an image?
Nov 18 00:14:33 <vi___> SpeedEvil: do you know who I could ask?
Nov 18 00:14:44 <SpeedEvil> nope.
Nov 18 00:14:58 <vi___> SpeedEvil: Becasue I am fed up of having to set up all my shit everytime I reflash.
Nov 18 00:15:10 <SpeedEvil> ah
Nov 18 00:15:22 <vi___> SpeedEvil: I have made a rootfs image with kernel.  It works great.
Nov 18 00:15:24 <SpeedEvil> I'd cheat
Nov 18 00:15:32 <SpeedEvil> sync
Nov 18 00:15:37 <SpeedEvil> rsync
Nov 18 00:25:39 <Hurrian> hoooooly shit, someone's trying to pack a custom image.
Nov 18 00:26:02 <Hurrian> vi__, if I were you, I'd prepare a SD card with the partition layout and tars of root and /home
Nov 18 00:26:06 <vi___> SpeedEvil: Do you think the flasher3.5 needs an initrd rolled into the flashable bin?
Nov 18 00:26:19 <vi___> Hurrian: why?
Nov 18 00:26:32 <SpeedEvil> vi___: I have never investigated it
Nov 18 00:27:09 <Hurrian> vi__, so that I don't waste time trying different USB ports?
Nov 18 00:28:06 <vi___> Hurrian: I cannot find evidence of anyone being sucessful at creating an emmc image.  ever.
Nov 18 00:28:29 <Hurrian> vi__, it bombs out at 96% every time?
Nov 18 00:28:39 <Hurrian> (at flashing, that is)
Nov 18 00:28:40 <vi___> Hurrian: yes.
Nov 18 00:28:50 <Hurrian> Maybe flasher-3.5 is just being shitty
Nov 18 00:29:09 <vi___> Hurrian: It works with the nokia supplied pr1.3 emmc image.
Nov 18 00:29:25 <Hurrian> The .bins are just archives, and fiasco-gen simply packs them with the info. Try the newest 0xFFFF that Pali modded.
Nov 18 00:31:00 <Hurrian> Whenever I want to flatten and restore my N900s, I simply load up RescueOS, wipe rootfs, import the partition table into sfdisk, format them, and untar my tarballs.
Nov 18 00:34:49 <vi___> I am starting to think I need to include some initrd or something.
Nov 18 00:35:36 <vi___> and now the wiki is down
Nov 18 00:38:37 <Drathir> vi___: or maybe check md5sum after flashed and give a error?
Nov 18 00:39:15 <Drathir> hidden list of used files which flasher check and compare...
Nov 18 00:40:11 <Drathir> is strange that every time do this error in the same place...
Nov 18 00:42:11 <Drathir> like oryginal content check is good and 96 starts modified content...
Nov 18 00:42:46 <Hurrian> Drathir, pretty sure it should be checking hashes /beforehand/
Nov 18 00:43:08 <Hurrian> in which case the .bin file would fail immediately, as the md5sum or whatever it uses is completely different ;)
Nov 18 00:44:32 <Hurrian> Also, vi__, flasher-3.5 for the N900 doesn't require a "ape-algo", which IIRC is an initrd + kernel to flash filesystems
Nov 18 00:46:58 <Drathir> Hurrian: maybe true but if check before maybe only compare with list and after flash compare with all content some kind of error security? 
Nov 18 00:47:40 <Hurrian> but fiasco-gen should've taken care of that when making the image
Nov 18 00:47:54 <Hurrian> and iirc in N900 that's only done for CMT image
Nov 18 00:49:26 <Drathir> all is very strange and interesting.... why do that...
Nov 18 00:50:03 <Drathir> but is strange why flasher cant dump data if can write to the phone...
Nov 18 00:51:13 <Drathir> that way anyone can install all what want and work and do snapshot of phone...
Nov 18 00:52:30 <Drathir> nokia srvices proppably could do that, strange if not...
Nov 18 01:01:20 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: you thought of cmp fiasco-original.bin your-fiasco.bin ?
Nov 18 01:04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> vi___: I gather you tried to use the unpacked chunks from fiasco-original.bin to build fiasco-new.bin from them. So both shouldn't differ, eh?
Nov 18 01:04:09 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: Yes
Nov 18 01:04:46 <vi___> however looking with a hex editor there seems to be some name in the header.
Nov 18 01:04:59 <vi___> RX-51 blah blah blah
Nov 18 01:05:10 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Nov 18 01:05:44 <DocScrutinizer05> btw your parameter looks bewildering to me: --mmc-partition="mydocs"
Nov 18 01:06:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd have thought it's sth like 1, 2, 3
Nov 18 01:06:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh wait
Nov 18 01:06:25 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: if you try a number it craps out as soon as it starts.
Nov 18 01:06:50 <vi___> if you use a name of a partition specified in layout file it does not.
Nov 18 01:07:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sounds about right
Nov 18 01:07:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Nov 18 01:07:42 <infobot> [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 18 01:07:52 <DocScrutinizer05> (^^^ for me)
Nov 18 01:08:11 <DocScrutinizer05> prefix = "mydocs";
Nov 18 01:08:14 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Nov 18 01:10:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I might be dreaming or whatever, but maybe I heard once about some odd lil glitch in layout that needs fix for fiasco-gen to work. I.E. unpacked layout from fiasco-original.bin might not match what fiasco-gen wants for --layout=ARG 
Nov 18 01:10:38 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: The only difference I can see is a 'name' string at the start of the file.
Nov 18 01:11:00 <vi___> DocScrutinizer05: you could be onto something...
Nov 18 01:15:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd do 2 things: 1.:find out about diffs via cmp or diff,  2.: find out *why* those diffs are there, start with "what does this name-string mean? where from does it come? (grep all involved files might help)"
Nov 18 01:16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> (grep) if it doesn't already correlate to a filename of one of the chunks or the target
Nov 18 01:20:01 <vi___> FUCKIT
Nov 18 01:20:04 <vi___> I am going to bed
Nov 18 01:20:09 <vi___> I hate fucking computers
Nov 18 01:24:47 <LaoLang_cool> I got date -s work finally! date -s "1118 0924 2012"
Nov 18 01:25:37 <SpeedEvil> :-) 
Nov 18 01:30:45 <jon_y> best to set the format too
Nov 18 01:31:00 <jon_y> locale settings may break your date input
Nov 18 01:31:17 <jon_y> ah wait nvm
Nov 18 01:34:21 * Drathir like ntpd
Nov 18 01:34:57 <Drathir> sad there isnt ntptime...
Nov 18 01:36:24 <nox-> best set the time from gps...
Nov 18 01:37:20 <nox-> i think its gps recorder that does that
Nov 18 01:39:02 <Drathir> nox-: good idea gs also can set time without network connection...
Nov 18 01:39:13 <Drathir> gps*
Nov 18 01:39:19 <nox-> yeah tho then it takes longer to get a fix
Nov 18 01:40:51 <Drathir> yes more power but if someone dont have gprs con and phone get off batterry can if dont know time auto set...
Nov 18 01:41:39 <Drathir> sad but not all gsm operator have time stup by network...
Nov 18 01:42:50 <nox-> yeah
Nov 18 01:49:26 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: date -d "2012-11-18 22:11"
Nov 18 01:49:43 <DocScrutinizer05> s/-d/-s/
Nov 18 01:49:44 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: LaoLang_cool: date -s "2012-11-18 22:11"
Nov 18 01:49:44 <Drathir> lets try .flac work or not...
Nov 18 01:50:02 <DocScrutinizer05> for -s'etting instead -d'displaying
Nov 18 01:51:02 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: generally the proper real date takes as weird shit as "next Friday teatime"
Nov 18 01:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> though:
Nov 18 01:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Nov 18 01:51:26 <infobot> messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Nov 18 01:57:36 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer05, it doesn't work, maybe I'm using stock busybox?
Nov 18 01:57:44 <LaoLang_cool> I've tried it yesterday
Nov 18 02:02:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, busybox is braindamaged
Nov 18 02:06:44 <robbiethe1st> And yet, it's still better than what Windows Phone(TM) provides
Nov 18 02:07:10 <jon_y> does windows phone have a console/terminal?
Nov 18 02:07:20 <jon_y> no terminal/ssh == deal breaker :)
Nov 18 02:07:23 <robbiethe1st> Exactly
Nov 18 02:08:02 <jon_y> too bad most people don't need ssh
Nov 18 02:08:14 <robbiethe1st> I can't live without it
Nov 18 02:08:14 <jon_y> or is too hard to wrap their puny minds around it
Nov 18 02:08:22 <robbiethe1st> I think so
Nov 18 02:08:53 <jon_y> somebody should write a lovecraftian explanation of ssh :)
Nov 18 02:09:12 <robbiethe1st> I mean, it's just /so/ useful to be able to search an entire directory tree for a string. Or use a loop to download X files from a site
Nov 18 02:09:33 <jon_y> lovecraftian explanation would be awesome, I will send $100 internet dollars, about $0 US dollars
Nov 18 02:09:35 <jon_y> :)
Nov 18 02:10:00 <jon_y> not to mention file upload/download capabilities
Nov 18 02:10:20 <jon_y> all pack into 1 awesome tool
Nov 18 02:11:34 <robbiethe1st> Not to mention being able to, say, download a .doc file, convert it to .rtf, and open it in FBReader
Nov 18 02:12:05 <robbiethe1st> And use a single, simple command to convert it. with a free program
Nov 18 02:17:21 <Gear> does anyone still use the n900 as their main phone?
Nov 18 02:17:43 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Nov 18 02:17:56 <SpeedEvil> but I make very, very few calls
Nov 18 02:18:08 <wmarone> same :)
Nov 18 02:18:11 <SpeedEvil> it's actually now my landline phone too
Nov 18 02:18:15 <SpeedEvil> sip
Nov 18 02:18:29 <Gear> I have two and the speaker on my dying one is REALLY bad
Nov 18 02:18:51 <SpeedEvil> :-\ 
Nov 18 02:19:13 <Gear> I tried double sided taping it securely but it's quiet and crap
Nov 18 02:19:43 <Gear> the other has pwnie express on it and that pretty much sucks
Nov 18 02:20:31 <Gear> I haven't looked for decent apps for months, is there a list of "must have apps" that's recent?
Nov 18 02:21:37 <SpeedEvil> haven't been looking 
Nov 18 02:21:42 <Drathir> jon_y: how can live without terminal this is like another hand... 
Nov 18 02:22:38 <jon_y> SpeedEvil: my DSL ISP give free landline calls
Nov 18 02:22:53 <Drathir> .flac not recognized by n900 inside HAM also no packages... lets see apt...
Nov 18 02:23:01 <SpeedEvil> inbound free sip here
Nov 18 02:23:07 <jon_y> though there is that phone rent
Nov 18 02:23:14 <SpeedEvil> paid if I want to make external
Nov 18 02:23:36 <SpeedEvil> there are weird cell providers out there.
Nov 18 02:23:39 <Drathir> Gear: i use too
Nov 18 02:23:43 <SpeedEvil> aaisp.co.UK
Nov 18 02:24:04 <SpeedEvil> they let you have'a'mobile with no number
Nov 18 02:24:26 <SpeedEvil> it is hooked up to your SIP server
Nov 18 02:24:37 <Drathir> Gear: "dying one" ^^
Nov 18 02:25:23 <SpeedEvil> similarly, you can have it hooked with data to your intranet
Nov 18 02:25:32 <Gear> yeah it's been dropped and beaten and scratched, I give it about another 6? months before it becomes a cracking phone only
Nov 18 02:26:30 <Gear> the parts are too expensive now and the hong kong ripoff parts mostly don't work
Nov 18 02:27:05 <Drathir> not biggest part of the sip have internal traffic fee ?
Nov 18 02:27:14 * ShadowJK uses N900 as main phone
Nov 18 02:27:28 <ShadowJK> yesterday I was also using the spare N900 as main internets
Nov 18 02:27:28 <SpeedEvil> Drathir: sip out to landlines
Nov 18 02:27:54 <Gear> hah so this is where the diehard n900 fans are
Nov 18 02:28:31 <ShadowJK> my main N900 is actually my third one, first two died cellmodem death
Nov 18 02:29:40 <Drathir> Gear: allegro.pl sometimes can find broken phones to buy in other countries not have?
Nov 18 02:29:52 <Gear_> yay wifi
Nov 18 02:30:40 <Gear_> do you think there will ever be another open source phone like this
Nov 18 02:30:50 <Gear_> or is this the "last of the v8 interceptors"
Nov 18 02:31:20 <Drathir> ShadowJK: but you put ther for someone one to tablet use?
Nov 18 02:31:34 <Drathir> or wifi also dead?
Nov 18 02:33:08 <ShadowJK> it sits unused
Nov 18 02:33:27 <Drathir> i waiting for more info about new open source phones annouunced some time ago...
Nov 18 02:33:27 * ShadowJK suspects "last of the v8 interceptors" :-(
Nov 18 02:34:07 <Gear_> raspberry pi and arduino are exploding though... arduino is radioshack stuff now
Nov 18 02:34:17 <Drathir> altervative to android one...
Nov 18 02:34:38 <Gear_> that's gonna recruit a whole host of REALLY young open source people
Nov 18 02:35:00 <Drathir> with few bigger company connected to work on it...
Nov 18 02:35:24 <Drathir> but name of it forget must look for it...
Nov 18 02:36:31 <Drathir> Gear_: friends in few days have had new shiny Pi Pi i waiting to test that stuff...
Nov 18 02:37:21 <Drathir> sad that n900 dont have mods to 256 or 512 mb ram thats be awesome...
Nov 18 02:37:43 <Gear_> don't they have 256mb of ram already
Nov 18 02:37:55 <ShadowJK> yes
Nov 18 02:37:57 <Gear_> 512 would be good
Nov 18 02:38:00 <Drathir> a lot of speed and second live
Nov 18 02:38:19 <Drathir> Gear_: free for user i mean... sorry...
Nov 18 02:38:50 <ShadowJK> measuring the amount of free is near impossible too
Nov 18 02:39:52 <Drathir> 512 total will be enough for second born... 
Nov 18 02:40:08 <ShadowJK> In an updated version I'd like to see 2G ram
Nov 18 02:40:54 <Drathir> ShadowJK: dreams but good dreams...
Nov 18 02:41:42 <Drathir> propably dont put because will be to powerfull...
Nov 18 02:42:32 <Drathir> netboks also have cutted ram... so sad...
Nov 18 02:46:20 <Drathir> anyone try running other systems on n900? not default but second system...
Nov 18 02:46:56 <Sc0rpius> you mean like running Android or Mer or whatever?
Nov 18 02:47:13 <Sc0rpius> I used to do that but I always go back to Maemo since everything else really sucks in the N900
Nov 18 02:47:32 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: yes i think abour archlinux arm
Nov 18 02:47:56 <Sc0rpius> well since the N900 is my main and only phone, I need it as a phone
Nov 18 02:48:00 <Sc0rpius> so ArchLinux is not an option
Nov 18 02:48:30 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: is very risky try to run second system?
Nov 18 02:48:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: flac support in some gstreamer-codec-support-dirty|extras|clean|$foo
Nov 18 02:48:41 <Sc0rpius> no, totally safe
Nov 18 02:48:55 <Sc0rpius> usually you want to install the second OS in a microSD card
Nov 18 02:49:00 <Sc0rpius> so your main filesystem is untouched
Nov 18 02:49:14 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: thanks i will take it from apt
Nov 18 02:49:25 <Sc0rpius> you can even have several microSD cards with different OS on each
Nov 18 02:50:35 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: yes you right if its main...
Nov 18 02:51:43 <Drathir> but interesting why decide to take debian for base of the stystem, because will be first ?
Nov 18 02:53:19 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: when i better know default system i try to have fun with discover new options, but that take me some time...
Nov 18 02:56:08 <Sc0rpius> are you a new user of the N900?
Nov 18 02:56:12 <Sc0rpius> that would be weird.
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