**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 20 02:59:57 2012 Nov 20 03:49:33 how to use phoneme runmidlet swrvice to run any j2me?? Nov 20 03:51:46 anyome there?? Nov 20 03:55:16 DocScrutinizer05: it's been fmg Nov 20 05:10:37 how to run j2me using phoneme?? Nov 20 05:12:25 whentrying to use run-midlet service , the only response is - waiting for midlet to start Nov 20 05:42:44 can v use vkb in fremantle easy debian? Nov 20 05:53:05 is there anyway to run flash in iceweasel?? easy deb?? Nov 20 06:10:45 okay ... iceweasel isnt crashin n is even showing the starting of video wen /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin /libdebianflashplayer.so is replaced by our n900 adobe 10 flash.. can anyonw with hgh speed internet, confirm its working?? Nov 20 06:11:16 ???? Nov 20 06:15:20 okay the video skipped from 2 sec to 8second but its working. now trying for epiphany. Nov 20 06:16:07 can anyone provide me with stock libflashplater.so Nov 20 06:18:09 help !! need flashplayer default one.. this adobe 10 is causing problems. Nov 20 06:55:37 help!! epiphany is the newest version but it still is saying - epiphany , command not found Nov 20 07:25:19 :( valgrind does not like thumb2 Nov 20 11:03:56 dafaq_is_this_madness.jpg Nov 20 11:04:59 ^my face when I see that the previous guy has the device polling the keypad for a button press in the middle of a timer interupt service routine. Nov 20 11:06:54 Instead of waiting for the i2c busy flag to clear, he simply waits 40ms. Nov 20 11:09:05 lol Nov 20 11:10:29 vi_: he does audrino in his free time? :) Nov 20 11:11:08 The real ball kicker is he was getting paid 25% more than I am now. Nov 20 11:11:20 :( Nov 20 11:12:02 I inherited Java code from a veteran that is obviously paid more than 25% than me, in the code, he did: Nov 20 11:12:35 if(obj instanceof class1).... if(obj instanceof class2) ..... if(obj instanceof class3).... Nov 20 11:12:46 a whole table of it, everywhere Nov 20 11:12:55 haha Nov 20 11:13:02 also, reimplementing your own tree structure Nov 20 11:13:19 he needed to for check node properties Nov 20 11:13:44 The GUI programmers here use some obsolete bullshit. Nov 20 11:13:47 PASCAL. Nov 20 11:13:54 so adding another class can potentially cause the program to explode Nov 20 11:14:06 lol Nov 20 11:14:50 stick a JVM/C# managed code to the PASCAL bootstrap code and call it a day :) Nov 20 11:15:08 vi_, adata random read/write has gone down dramatically after I used (read: benchmarked) the card for awhile Nov 20 11:15:30 ShadowJK: how is that happening? Nov 20 11:15:32 I rebenched a sandisk, and it too did the same thing Nov 20 11:15:44 Presumably when it was fresh it was all empty, but now it's not Nov 20 11:15:46 cell fragmenation? Nov 20 11:15:57 And making it "empty" or erased again is tricky Nov 20 11:16:25 do SD cards to wear control? Nov 20 11:16:31 Sort of Nov 20 11:16:40 hm, adata perf came back after I wrote all zeroes to it Nov 20 11:16:45 sandisk too :-) Nov 20 11:17:00 I would assume it was very very lazy with GC or something Nov 20 11:17:04 ShadowJK: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your_card Nov 20 11:17:07 job done Nov 20 11:17:22 ShadowJK: That is disappointing. Nov 20 11:17:37 How much of a performance drop did you see after testing? Nov 20 11:17:43 (as a percentage) Nov 20 11:17:55 on 4k blocks that is. Nov 20 11:18:00 Last time someone reverse engineered an SD card, they discovered that the card is dividied into areas consisting of 1024 blocks, out of which 1000 are used and 24 spare. Whenever you write, it takes one of the 24 and uses that, and puts the old one back into the pool of 24 and erases it Nov 20 11:18:11 try 64K blocks :) Nov 20 11:18:42 ShadowJK: Do you have a link? Nov 20 11:18:46 about 50% on adata and 10000 percent on sandisk :) Nov 20 11:18:56 the most I did on an SD card was talking to it over serial Nov 20 11:19:04 ShadowJK: So the sandisk utterly choked after being used once? Nov 20 11:19:14 I forgot what the protocol was called Nov 20 11:19:43 vi_, I'd say it reverted to its native speed after using up all empty erased blocks ( it might start out with 1024 erased ones, and can skip the erase step at first) Nov 20 11:20:07 yes, SPI comm Nov 20 11:20:08 When I first benchmarked the sandisk, I thought the results made no fucking sense, and that my method was probably broken. Nov 20 11:20:16 Anyway, have to run Nov 20 11:20:46 ok. Keep us posted! Nov 20 11:27:18 ShadowJK: that was what i suspected :( Nov 20 11:27:43 it's sad that a uSD that boasts high IOPS fails so hard :( Nov 20 11:29:02 false advertising 101? Nov 20 11:45:08 Well, adata's degraded perf is still 10 better than that of the sandisk c4 Nov 20 11:45:32 the adata also timed out and vanished during benchmarking once.. Nov 20 11:49:58 wow Nov 20 11:50:10 adata is shittifyingly bad then? Nov 20 12:11:03 who uses a UWord16 to store a bool? Nov 20 12:11:06 WHY? Nov 20 12:11:56 vi_: obviously they though it be more aligned to the machine word :) Nov 20 12:12:18 because memory is so cheap these days they say Nov 20 12:13:45 One of the issues this device is facing is a lack of variable data storage. Nov 20 12:14:49 these guys should really use the linker script Nov 20 12:15:59 its like a game of jigsaw puzzles or tetris when you try to fit the pieces together :) Nov 20 14:42:44 Yo Nov 20 14:45:56 ~man iwconfig Nov 20 14:45:57 No manual entry for iwconfig Nov 20 14:46:01 ~man ls Nov 20 14:46:01 No manual entry for ls Nov 20 14:46:05 ~man man Nov 20 14:46:06 No manual entry for man Nov 20 14:46:15 ~2d6 Nov 20 14:46:15 You roll a 6 Nov 20 14:46:20 yeah! Nov 20 14:46:25 ~2d6 Nov 20 14:46:26 You roll a 9 Nov 20 14:47:05 ~!3 Nov 20 14:47:20 ~2d7+4 Nov 20 14:47:29 ~(2d7)+4 Nov 20 14:47:44 ~4+(2d7) Nov 20 14:48:03 How to roll my +4 uSD card? Nov 20 14:52:48 aw, 2d6 giving one number? Nov 20 14:52:51 ~3d20 Nov 20 14:53:10 * tadzik grumbles Nov 20 14:54:33 ~2d7 Nov 20 14:54:40 ~2d6 Nov 20 14:54:40 You roll a 6 Nov 20 14:54:43 ~2d7 Nov 20 14:54:55 ~2d5 Nov 20 14:55:04 ~2d6 Nov 20 14:55:05 You roll a 8 Nov 20 14:55:06 ~2d6 Nov 20 14:55:17 ~2d6 Nov 20 14:55:17 You roll a 9 Nov 20 14:55:32 Infobot can only deal with 6 sided di. Nov 20 14:55:37 what a noob. Nov 20 14:55:44 infobot: YOU ARE NOOB. Nov 20 14:55:44 vi____: what are you talking about? Nov 20 14:56:08 ~3d20 Nov 20 14:56:30 infobot hates d20 Nov 20 15:26:51 dang, it's no command, it's a 'nifty' (or silly, stupid) factoid Nov 20 15:27:04 ~literal 2d6 Nov 20 15:27:04 "2d6" is "You roll a (2|3|3|4|4|4|5|5|5|5|6|6|6|6|6|7|7|7|7|7|7|8|8|8|8|8|9|9|9|9|10|10|10|11|11|12)" Nov 20 15:27:41 noooo Nov 20 15:27:42 ~factinfo 2d6 Nov 20 15:27:42 2d6 -- created by ckknight_ at Mon Jul 24 01:59:47 2006 (2311 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by vi____, 32m 25s ago. Nov 20 15:27:53 :D:D Nov 20 15:27:57 whywouldyoudothat Nov 20 15:28:40 ~listkeys 2d Nov 20 15:28:42 Factoid search of '2d' by key (19 of 27): 2d6 ;; atrap aa2d ;; e2defrag ;; r2d2 ;; up2date ;; toolbox _secs2date ;; r2d2 #DEL# ;; what is shag2dpe ;; pg2d ;; atrap a82d ;; shag2dpe's email ;; a52dec ;; line between 2d and 3d acceleration ;; libsdl1.2debian ;; weathercode k2dp ;; atrap a92d ;; wmto2deb ;; a52dec no ;; 2d. Nov 20 15:29:07 are you guys playing D&D on IRC? Nov 20 15:29:30 I'm trying to convince them not to do ;-P Nov 20 15:29:42 also: Nov 20 15:29:44 ~query Nov 20 15:29:45 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Nov 20 15:35:14 It is a well written factoid. Nov 20 15:36:17 ~literal diceroll Nov 20 15:36:17 "diceroll" is " $rand6" Nov 20 15:36:47 ~diceroll Nov 20 15:36:48 5 Nov 20 15:36:58 $rand999999999 Nov 20 15:37:11 $rand6 Nov 20 15:37:25 ~$rand999999999 Nov 20 15:37:30 $rand99 Nov 20 15:37:36 ~$rand999999999 Nov 20 15:37:41 ~$rand9 Nov 20 15:38:02 ~$rand6 Nov 20 15:38:37 ~say #maemo $rand200.3 Nov 20 15:38:38 $rand200.3 Nov 20 15:38:47 damn you infobot Nov 20 15:39:17 ~#maemo rnadtest is $rand200.3 Nov 20 15:39:17 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Nov 20 15:39:26 infobot: I mock your value system. Nov 20 15:39:27 You mock your value system.? Nov 20 15:39:34 ~rnadtest Nov 20 15:39:35 48.448 Nov 20 15:40:16 ~rnadtest Nov 20 15:40:16 ~forget rnadtest Nov 20 15:40:16 98.044 Nov 20 15:40:16 i didn't have anything called 'rnadtest' to forget, DocScrutinizer05 Nov 20 15:40:29 ~forget #maemo rnadtest Nov 20 15:40:29 i forgot #maemo rnadtest, DocScrutinizer05 Nov 20 15:41:17 ~;droptables Nov 20 15:42:17 ~seen less than 10 penises Nov 20 15:42:22 i haven't seen 'less than 10 penises', vi____ Nov 20 15:45:28 vi____: beware of annoying infobot so much that she's going to ignore you Nov 20 17:05:53 thats insane :(. seems like libosso-abook caches avatars Nov 20 17:06:04 *all avatars Nov 20 18:45:31 https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23HarmattanDev&src=hash Nov 20 18:45:35 please RT Nov 20 18:45:41 to your nokia contacts Nov 20 21:19:12 wow, 265 users, 5 lines of posts in 3h Nov 20 21:19:40 266 :-) Nov 20 21:25:26 lol https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HarmattanDev&src=hash Nov 20 21:45:43 ...and in other news the test connectors on the n900 PCB are NOT uf.l. Nov 20 21:47:37 que sii Nov 20 21:47:39 que nooo Nov 20 21:47:52 wrong channel ... Nov 20 21:56:18 Pali: ping Nov 20 21:56:28 pong pi_ Nov 20 21:56:31 *vi Nov 20 21:57:04 *vi_ :D Nov 20 21:57:13 heh Nov 20 21:57:25 how do I mount an ubifs image? Nov 20 21:58:06 where? Nov 20 21:58:14 device or pc? Nov 20 21:59:01 I have extracted the rootfs image from the pr1.3 rootfs bin/ Nov 20 21:59:04 I have extracted the rootfs image from the pr1.3 rootfs bin. Nov 20 21:59:37 I want to mount it so I can extract the contents. Nov 20 21:59:42 On my PC that is. Nov 20 21:59:59 I am running debian squeeze with a 3.X kernel. Nov 20 22:00:57 Do I have to use nandsim? Nov 20 22:01:21 $ modprobe nandsim first_id_byte=0x20 second_id_byte=0xaa third_id_byte=0x00 fourth_id_byte=0x15 parts=1,3,2,16,16,2010 && modprobe mtdblock && dd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtdblock5 bs=2048 && rmmod mtdblock && modprobe ubi && ubiattach -m 0 && mkdir /mnt/n900 && mount ubi:rootfs /mnt/n900 -t ubifs Nov 20 22:01:39 replace rootfs.jffs2 and /mnt/n900 Nov 20 22:01:48 whoa, a one liner. Nov 20 22:01:53 I was not expecting that! Nov 20 22:02:46 when you finish, correct umount is: $ umount /mnt/n900 && ubidetach -m 0 && rmmod nandsim && rmmod ubifs && rmmod ubi Nov 20 22:02:54 all run as root Nov 20 22:03:06 I only need to mount it once to get the filesystem out. Nov 20 22:03:28 I am able to roll my own rootfs fiasco images. Nov 20 22:05:47 Pali: dd: writing `/dev/mtdblock5': No space left on device Nov 20 22:06:07 This is what I get when I try the examples I find on th elinux-mtd pages. Nov 20 22:07:40 to generate new ubifs image (from dir /mnt/n900) use this: mkfs.ubifs -m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047 -r /mnt/n900/ rootfs.raw && echo -e '[rootfs]\nmode=ubi\nimage=rootfs.raw\nvol_id=0\nvol_size=160MiB\nvol_type=dynamic\nvol_name=rootfs\nvol_flags=autoresize\nvol_alignment=1' > cfg.ini && ubinize -o rootfs.ubifs -p 128KiB -m 2048 -s 512 cfg.ini Nov 20 22:07:57 vi_, did you used my above command? Nov 20 22:08:02 Pali: I know how to generate an ubifs. Nov 20 22:08:10 Pali: Yes. Nov 20 22:08:20 it modprobing nandsim with n900 layout Nov 20 22:09:06 try rmmod nandsim and modprobe it again Nov 20 22:09:16 also check if you have enought free RAW Nov 20 22:09:41 at least 8GB of RAM? Nov 20 22:11:34 256M Nov 20 22:12:05 that was low, I thought more for nandsim Nov 20 22:12:08 check also /proc/mtd if size of mtd5 is correct Nov 20 22:15:17 rmmod nandsim Nov 20 22:16:08 dev: size erasesize name Nov 20 22:16:08 mtd0: 08000000 00004000 "NAND simulator partition 0" Nov 20 22:16:42 Pali: That is only 8MB? Nov 20 22:16:50 How to increase the size of mtd? Nov 20 22:18:01 vi_, then you did not loaded nandsim with correct params Nov 20 22:18:10 see my above modprobe Nov 20 22:18:55 size of nand is determinated from id Nov 20 22:22:11 Pali: Odd. I entered it as you showed. Nov 20 22:22:24 aaah. I previously modprebed the nandsim module. Nov 20 22:24:12 Pali: 190185472 bytes (190 MB) copied, 6.44565 s, 29.5 MB/s Nov 20 22:24:12 ubiattach: error!: cannot attach mtd0 error 28 (No space left on device) Nov 20 22:24:35 ubiattach -m 5 Nov 20 22:24:49 fix it, mtd5 is rootfs Nov 20 22:25:40 (( ...and in other news the test connectors on the n900 PCB are NOT uf.l.)) sorry? could you please translate that? Nov 20 22:25:43 Pali: gzomfg! Nov 20 22:25:56 Pali: Thank you 100 times pali. Nov 20 22:26:04 I will email you a donut. Nov 20 22:26:24 DocScrutinizer05: It is as I said. It is not a uf.l hirose connector. Nov 20 22:27:37 (( I want to mount it so I can extract the contents.)) I provided an URL to a terse though comprehensive howto Nov 20 22:28:29 that 'one-liner' is excerpt of that howto, minus the comments Nov 20 22:30:07 DocScrutinizer05: That was yesterday. I have had a sleep since then. Nov 20 22:30:32 No, I do not know how to check the backscroll when I have not been here. Nov 20 22:31:03 The test point on the n900, I cannot identify it. Nov 20 22:31:27 If I compare it with pictures of a uf.l hirose, I see they are not the same. Nov 20 22:32:28 The connector on the n900 is a female. Nov 20 22:33:01 hey, so is mine Nov 20 22:33:03 interesting Nov 20 22:34:12 ls Nov 20 22:36:11 one option is of course to just desolder the test point and solder strait to the board. Nov 20 22:37:44 can I chroot inside scratchbox? Nov 20 23:02:27 FTW are you doing? Nov 20 23:02:48 desolder test points? .oO(???) Nov 20 23:22:21 vi____: Hirose? Why do you think it might be hirose? Try this: CON MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT height=1.75mm FOR GSM LR Nov 20 23:23:45 or this: CON CMK A702-206158-001 MMCX JACK SMD GPS EXT ANTTENNA SWITCH FOR GSM LR Nov 20 23:26:31 bah, scratch the latter Nov 20 23:27:48 actually I think it's CON MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT height=1.75mm Nov 20 23:28:24 http://de.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata/MM8430-2610RB3/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtdAabcSkQOl7vkmvVIX/Lo Nov 20 23:31:13 vi____: ^^^ Nov 20 23:32:23 beware, those test connectors are designed for a lifetime of ~50 mating cycles iirc Nov 20 23:36:13 those are the plugs/adapters: http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/MURATA/MM9329-2700RA1.pdf -- cost a fortune Nov 20 23:38:24 ooh, 500 cycles even Nov 20 23:39:01 see, my memory, forgot a '0' ;-P getting old Nov 20 23:39:38 hmm, nope, one has 100 cycles only Nov 20 23:41:30 lol, 30 cycles Nov 21 00:20:43 Gotta get my resistive touchscreen fix with Wii U. Sad state of affairs. Nov 21 00:57:31 maemo is not opensource in (GSM stack ) Nov 21 00:57:37 right ? Nov 21 00:57:52 no Nov 21 00:58:00 yes Nov 21 00:58:05 it's not open source Nov 21 00:58:14 why Nov 21 00:58:32 do you know osmocom project ? Nov 21 00:59:05 osmocom is still nowhere to be ready Nov 21 00:59:09 and it's gsm only Nov 21 00:59:20 no 3g Nov 21 00:59:23 no hspa Nov 21 00:59:34 and it only works on one baseband Nov 21 00:59:47 right Nov 21 00:59:57 where ae you from ? Nov 21 01:00:01 are * Nov 21 01:00:14 why do you ask? Nov 21 01:00:28 its baseband work almost in all the world Nov 21 01:00:35 DCS Nov 21 01:00:40 900/1800 Nov 21 01:00:48 no Nov 21 01:00:55 so You don't need the another baseband Nov 21 01:01:07 you don't know what baseband is Nov 21 01:01:19 PCS baseband in usa Nov 21 01:01:28 no Nov 21 01:01:31 what do you mean of baseband Nov 21 01:01:58 it's that chip that talks to mobile network Nov 21 01:02:02 inside the phone Nov 21 01:02:40 aha Nov 21 01:02:45 and only one chip is supported currently (and some derivatives of that chip) Nov 21 01:02:50 and all those chips are 2g only Nov 21 01:03:00 ah Nov 21 01:03:01 and those chips are not manufactured anymore Nov 21 01:03:07 I'm underand Nov 21 01:03:10 and none of those is inside n900 Nov 21 01:03:19 yes Nov 21 01:03:47 + osmocom is not certified so it would be illegal to use it in any device transmitting on licensed bands Nov 21 01:03:50 they aimed to play their project in cheap phone Nov 21 01:04:24 like motorola c118 Nov 21 01:04:29 you can get it from ebay Nov 21 01:04:47 there are alot of these phones and very cheap Nov 21 01:05:04 maemo is not opensource enough Nov 21 01:06:48 jacekowski maybe with osmocomBB you can sniff gsm calls ? Nov 21 01:07:31 illegally Nov 21 01:07:35 and most stuff is 3g now Nov 21 01:08:15 with 3g you can make call Nov 21 01:08:44 3G for surf internet Nov 21 01:08:54 not only Nov 21 01:08:58 you can make calls with 3g Nov 21 01:09:08 and most phones prefer 3g Nov 21 01:09:30 it is impossible in my country Nov 21 01:10:04 sys232: if your phone shows 3g then call will be made over 3g Nov 21 01:10:42 no ... the 3g in my country just for surf the internet Nov 21 01:10:48 I have 3 sim Nov 21 01:10:58 1 3g Nov 21 01:11:00 2 gsm Nov 21 01:11:25 3g and gsm sim cards are the same Nov 21 01:11:36 I know Nov 21 01:12:06 but 3g sim card can't make calls in my country Nov 21 01:12:12 I don't what about your country Nov 21 01:12:35 err wut??? 3G without voice? Nov 21 01:13:09 maybe your contract has no voice included. But the 3G network for sure is capable to do that Nov 21 01:14:04 it's just that carriers don't make much noise about 2G or 3G with voice service, since it basically doesn't matter for voice Nov 21 01:14:45 anyway maemo phone like n900 like blackbox Nov 21 01:14:51 it is amazing deivce Nov 21 01:15:03 but we can't play with gsm network Nov 21 01:15:33 you don't want to play with GSM network. Not even the osmocom guys dare to play with it Nov 21 01:15:47 they prefer to analyze and run their own networks ;-D Nov 21 01:16:32 and meanwhile Harald Welte looks into sat phones like thuraya Nov 21 01:17:24 are they going to launch their own sats too? ;) Nov 21 01:17:32 hehe hardly Nov 21 01:17:40 nox- no :) Nov 21 01:17:59 launching own sat is not quite impossible Nov 21 01:18:11 some of those sat protocols are a lot more open than gsm Nov 21 01:18:12 just too expensive Nov 21 01:18:17 I talked with him some time ago, when he told me many of those sat phones are GSM for the poor, technically Nov 21 01:18:23 but for a teeny one, you almost have to use optical Nov 21 01:18:53 and optical has obvious issues Nov 21 01:18:58 it is impossible .. they need to lunch their sat Nov 21 01:19:04 cubesats Nov 21 01:19:15 it doesn't cost that much Nov 21 01:20:16 why the heck would we want to launch our own sat, when there's already so many of them up there to exploit? Nov 21 01:20:22 it's about $1000/kg Nov 21 01:20:59 I think you got a few dezimals wrong there Nov 21 01:21:12 maybe just remove the 'k' Nov 21 01:21:20 not that bad Nov 21 01:21:36 $1-10k is in the ballpark per kilo Nov 21 01:21:36 guys it is so expensive Nov 21 01:21:52 that would mean I could launch a 5 tons sat for 5 mio?! Nov 21 01:22:09 hardly Nov 21 01:22:32 it depends. Nov 21 01:22:54 if you can negotiate a ride along, yes Nov 21 01:22:56 just 5 kg Nov 21 01:22:59 even 50 mio seems a tad of a discount Nov 21 01:23:37 DocScrutinizer05 maybe there is opensource sat ? Nov 21 01:23:53 http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php Nov 21 01:24:02 we're talking launching/carrier, not the sat itself yet Nov 21 01:24:16 54 million gets you 13 tons to orbit Nov 21 01:25:30 secondary payloads, can be rather cheaper Nov 21 01:26:52 dafaq! they really made some progress Nov 21 01:26:52 there are various programs to launch kilo class satellites Nov 21 01:27:03 not really Nov 21 01:27:28 launch has been about $10000/kg since 1960 Nov 21 01:27:36 (kilo class sats) hooray for orbit littering Nov 21 01:28:10 not really an issue due to sectional density Nov 21 01:29:03 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders which asshole earns a golden dick with charging 2k$ for shipping my ashes to orbit in a matchbox (some 5g) Nov 21 01:29:07 small SATs in LEO deorbit fast Nov 21 01:29:23 Doc: I wonder where the rest of your ashes goes though Nov 21 01:29:40 prolly thru the funnel Nov 21 01:31:02 also, the above vendor has plans to do reusability in a big way. in principle, could drop costs 50 fold Nov 21 01:31:10 for a few $$$ more, you can have them make a diamond out of you, this is <1g though ;-P Nov 21 01:31:59 Diamonds are combustible though Nov 21 01:32:00 reusability failed boldly with space shuttle Nov 21 01:32:14 Doc: Not because of the idea flows though Nov 21 01:32:37 the shuttle was a hideously compromised design. Nov 21 01:32:45 Doc: Mostly because pretty much everyone viewed Shuttle program as a means of pilferng government money Nov 21 01:32:50 it had wings for one reason. Nov 21 01:33:00 plainly spoken, building new is probably cheaper than refurbishing Nov 21 01:33:29 to be able to launch into a polar orbit, and recover a satellite in polar orbit, while landing in the continental united States Nov 21 01:33:41 a mission it never did. Nov 21 01:33:50 Speed: It did land using wings Nov 21 01:33:53 DocScrutinizer51 is Harald Welte looks to shipping his ? Nov 21 01:34:01 hm? Nov 21 01:34:10 shipping what? Nov 21 01:34:19 ~seen laf0rge Nov 21 01:34:33 http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php Nov 21 01:34:49 dang, that must be deep in database Nov 21 01:34:55 RST38h: it never did the mission for which it needed wings. Nov 21 01:34:58 or bot is dead? Nov 21 01:35:13 grrrr Nov 21 01:35:24 see the above for explanation of reusability - it's very much not shuttle Nov 21 01:36:12 DocScrutinizer05 you said he looks to make his own sat Nov 21 01:36:24 and he work with sat phones Nov 21 01:37:28 sys232: I never said he makes his own sat Nov 21 01:37:35 au contraire Nov 21 01:38:17 infobot: wb Nov 21 01:38:23 not yet Nov 21 01:38:27 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Nov 21 01:38:33 infobot: wb Nov 21 01:38:34 It's great to be back! Nov 21 01:38:45 ~seen laf0rge Nov 21 01:38:46 DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'laf0rge' Nov 21 01:39:03 dang Nov 21 01:39:28 lol Nov 21 01:39:36 I will see laf0rg Nov 21 01:39:40 give me the url Nov 21 01:40:02 there are alot of google results Nov 21 01:41:46 [2012-11-21 02:41:06] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org Nov 21 01:41:48 [2012-11-21 02:41:06] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : now Nov 21 01:43:16 sys232: you're in same chan like him, you can ask him directly Nov 21 01:43:41 where is he ? Nov 21 01:43:52 you don't know where are you? Nov 21 01:44:05 #maemo channel Nov 21 01:44:36 I see you in other channels too Nov 21 01:45:10 osmocom and maemo Nov 21 01:45:11 just Nov 21 01:45:27 so it's not exactly hard to figure, eh? Nov 21 01:46:27 but in fact I haven't heard about him planning to start a sat on his own Nov 21 01:47:12 maybe you are laf0rge Nov 21 01:47:15 :D Nov 21 01:47:28 maybe laF0rge is Harald Welte Nov 21 01:47:54 but I can't find him Nov 21 01:48:03 give me his nickname Nov 21 01:48:10 o.O Nov 21 01:49:04 sorry I can't understand Nov 21 01:49:06 :) Nov 21 01:49:21 /whois laf0rge Nov 21 01:49:50 you're an IRC newbie? Nov 21 01:50:08 yap Nov 21 01:50:30 may I ask how old are you ? Nov 21 01:50:35 no Nov 21 01:50:51 ;-P Nov 21 01:51:00 ok ;) Nov 21 01:51:05 since I don't want to know Nov 21 01:51:39 LaF0rge Nov 21 01:51:45 lol Nov 21 01:51:47 sys232: /join #osmocom Nov 21 01:51:50 :D Nov 21 01:51:53 laf Nov 21 01:52:46 ah Nov 21 01:52:52 finally I find hiim Nov 21 01:53:04 he is genuis Nov 21 01:53:23 well, first of all he's a nice guy and a friend Nov 21 01:53:39 and an ex-colleague Nov 21 01:54:14 so you are student Nov 21 01:54:20 o.O Nov 21 01:54:31 why that now? Nov 21 01:54:40 DocScrutinizer05: got mindblown :P Nov 21 01:55:18 merlin1991 thank you :/ Nov 21 01:55:38 :P Nov 21 01:56:09 well, I might consider studying a bit more, after retirement Nov 21 01:56:31 astronomy maybe Nov 21 01:57:08 the Kepler results are fascinating Nov 21 01:58:10 http://kepler.nasa.gov/Science/ForScientists/keplerconference/sessions/ Nov 21 01:58:18 last science conference Nov 21 01:58:39 it's awesome, as it's a new field, it's mostly understandable to the layman Nov 21 01:59:04 well, the layman that isn't scared of Fourier transforms, and Doppler Nov 21 01:59:34 however, I'm looking to hack gsm network like make free calls or make call from new number that I have not . Nov 21 01:59:38 the amount of info you can pull out of the ft of a stars brightness is insane Nov 21 01:59:41 is it possible Nov 21 01:59:43 this falcon9 is a monster - 5.5m dia * 6.6(11.4)m cargo bay Nov 21 01:59:53 DocScrutinizer05 oh you are retirement Nov 21 01:59:57 like my father Nov 21 01:59:59 :D Nov 21 02:00:06 this is not possible Nov 21 02:00:22 why not possible Nov 21 02:00:26 DocScrutinizer05: next year, they strap three together, and launch Nov 21 02:00:47 sys232: the bugs in GSM are about privacy, and network stability basically Nov 21 02:01:06 sys232: they secured the pay-for bite quite well Nov 21 02:01:26 you can disrupt the network, but getting free calls is hard Nov 21 02:01:43 impossible Nov 21 02:01:53 I'm unsure. Nov 21 02:01:58 and make calls from another number ? Nov 21 02:02:06 almost impossible Nov 21 02:02:22 even if I used osmocombb device Nov 21 02:02:38 better crack the credit card algo and buy a gold-contract for GSM Nov 21 02:02:46 easier Nov 21 02:03:01 there seemed some plausible sim secret attacks, if you can get someone to log onto a fake tower, and attack the sim from that side Nov 21 02:03:15 sure Nov 21 02:03:36 but then, you'll cause both IMEI getting banned if you log in concurrently Nov 21 02:03:41 yes Nov 21 02:04:22 so, basically impossible, and for sure not worth it Nov 21 02:05:04 and, depending on your local jursidiction, may earn you 20 years Nov 21 02:05:24 Skype et al are way easier Nov 21 02:05:28 or a flight to gitmo Nov 21 02:05:46 or even ham radio Nov 21 02:05:50 I didn't know there are such harsh laws about breaking gsm Nov 21 02:06:24 not about breaking into GSM, but about breakink aka tearing down GSM Nov 21 02:07:04 which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for 2free calls" Nov 21 02:07:12 s/2/"/ Nov 21 02:07:13 DocScrutinizer05 meant: which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for "free calls" Nov 21 02:10:51 sys232: if you wanna do calls free of charge, climb next phone cable pole and clip a field phone to 2 wires Nov 21 02:11:12 DocScrutinizer05 if you say there is script kiddie attacks for free calls Nov 21 02:11:19 so it is not impossible Nov 21 02:11:54 some of you might not be surprised to hear: AFK Nov 21 02:12:24 me too, 2am here Nov 21 02:12:27 night Nov 21 02:14:04 n8 SpeedEvil Nov 21 02:20:16 4:19 here Nov 21 02:20:17 :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 21 02:59:58 2012