**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 22 02:59:59 2012 Nov 22 03:17:56 I don't know what went down with Estel, but… I can't seem to figure out how this works: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038196&postcount=799 Nov 22 03:18:13 the slider doesn't seem to move enough distance Nov 22 03:51:28 Luke-Jr: maybe a nice idea to shorten the slider so much that LEDs never are covered ;-D Nov 22 03:52:33 mad useful for flashlight Nov 22 03:53:51 I keep meaning to do that Nov 22 03:54:06 drill a couple of holes, and fill with clear. Nov 22 03:55:05 * Drathir think that goin to very like sshfs ^^ Nov 22 03:56:15 DocScrutinizer05: but N900 won't let you turn it on with the "cover" over it Nov 22 03:56:50 trying to watch media trought wifi... ssh x forwarding works to slow and without sound... but mouting with sshfs and directly open works great... Nov 22 03:57:36 * Drathir give a hug n900 ^^ Nov 22 03:58:26 DocScrutinizer51: bud idea with shorten... Nov 22 03:58:56 The n900 will. Nov 22 03:59:07 the default camera may not Nov 22 03:59:10 to much dirty thing goin inside lens also will be dirty... Nov 22 04:00:30 better chose Latarka app Nov 22 04:02:18 fast on and off flashlight... and the cover open only need to close camera or take them to the background... Nov 22 05:03:53 SpeedEvil: the default camera doesn't even support flashlight mode :P Nov 22 05:04:07 Drathir: hmm Nov 22 05:15:13 DocScrutinizer51: n900 have special device to convert video? hardware side? Nov 22 05:16:15 like what? Nov 22 05:16:44 I think the GPU does scaling etc Nov 22 05:17:10 also can decode h.263(?) baseband Nov 22 05:18:07 there might be like 3 to 5 framebuffers, and a hw compositor Nov 22 05:20:48 you might find those links useful: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain Nov 22 05:48:15 Drathir: to play videos? Nov 22 05:48:34 DocScrutinizer05: there's h.264 too i think (hope?) Nov 22 06:36:39 help plzz.. can anyone send me his sources.list please... i messed it up. Nov 22 08:02:00 Devilinside: what's missing Nov 22 09:43:03 morning Nov 22 09:46:47 morning Nov 22 09:49:37 Drathir: N900 has DSP which is used for media decoding and encoding Nov 22 09:57:03 now, there's some quite interesting stuff for C64x+ DSPs, including a linux "distro" Nov 22 10:06:02 Estel was banned?? Nov 22 10:06:44 aww they banned our baby princes! Nov 22 10:09:09 but, but....I was looking forward to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 ... Nov 22 10:13:19 ohh! Nov 22 10:14:39 that would have been a nice project to see come true Nov 22 10:16:59 well he messed up in the process, but the idea was really nice :) Nov 22 10:34:29 Aluminium is a retard idea. Nov 22 10:34:39 Why would you want LESS phone signal? Nov 22 10:52:48 Soo much jolla spam on TMO. Nov 22 10:53:26 Just another closed hot -shit-pudding. Nov 22 11:30:55 chem|st: Any chance of merging all the jolla spam on TMO? Nov 22 11:41:53 vi____: Jolla is the only future available for N900 brand of phones .. why call it spam? Nov 22 11:45:42 eh.. Nov 22 11:46:01 pavi: lol orly? Nov 22 11:46:37 vi____: as of now Nov 22 11:47:08 More close sourced swipe junk is the the future? Nov 22 11:48:27 the only future for N900 brand of phones lies in CSSU and other linux flavours, Jolla has nothing to do with it Nov 22 11:50:50 and if we talk about successors, there is none for N900, either from Jolla or anyone else Nov 22 11:50:57 for now at least Nov 22 11:51:14 Yay, swipey loltweets on your faceblog. Nov 22 12:09:04 hm Nov 22 12:09:38 I think that developing app with qt-creator is better than via maemosdk. Nov 22 12:10:11 because it's much easyer to test app Nov 22 12:10:36 What if I want to write programs and not appz? Nov 22 12:10:42 or I don't understand omething important in process Nov 22 12:11:39 vi____: what difference between program and appz? Nov 22 12:17:33 m4g0g: in what way is testing easer on qt-creator? Nov 22 12:18:08 start on device and start on emulator without any additional actions Nov 22 14:13:44 I don't see how generic qt-creator will handle cross-platform-development Nov 22 14:14:30 install QtSDK with madde. Start creator from this sdk and that's all Nov 22 14:14:50 madde is a dedicated maemo SDK Nov 22 14:15:07 available for windows host platform only, afaik Nov 22 14:15:34 lol Nov 22 14:15:50 I develop my app under gentoo Nov 22 14:15:50 I heard it's pretty unsuited for developing any non-Qt stuff Nov 22 14:16:10 non-qt - may be. Nov 22 14:16:28 anyway, up to you to pick your SDK according to your preferences Nov 22 14:16:32 but I develop Qt-app and this solution is better for me Nov 22 14:17:06 also anyway madde and SB both are maemoSDK Nov 22 14:17:22 fine, now we all know about this fact Nov 22 14:18:03 qt-creater is not the same as madde, however Nov 22 14:18:16 madde >> qt-creator Nov 22 14:20:51 vi____: (( vi____: what difference between program and appz?)) now you see why Nokia thought it's a nice move to 'drop' proper SDK in favor of QML, for HARM Nov 22 14:21:06 but, imho, for qt-development it's better way Nov 22 14:21:20 fine! so what? Nov 22 14:21:37 nothing Nov 22 14:21:51 I'd suggest you then use madde for Qt development, and everybody happy. No? Nov 22 14:22:05 =) Nov 22 14:22:07 yep Nov 22 14:30:59 DocScrutinizer05: I have to write a program in C on a windows computer. Nov 22 14:31:05 Where the fuck do I start? Nov 22 14:31:33 nfc Nov 22 14:31:49 maybe install eclipse? Nov 22 14:32:39 apt-get install build-essentials Nov 22 14:32:44 or rather: get that ms development suite, free edition Nov 22 14:32:45 and people call linux hard! Nov 22 14:33:03 studio? Nov 22 14:33:09 mmm Nov 22 14:33:18 dang, coffee refuses to kick in - or Freud does Nov 22 14:33:28 visual studio! Nov 22 14:33:29 solution: get more. Nov 22 14:33:49 http://www.blogcompiler.com/2010/06/13/gcc-for-windows/ Nov 22 14:34:18 vi____: Try code:blocks for an IDE Nov 22 14:34:22 Comes with gcc Nov 22 14:34:32 is it anything like vim? Nov 22 14:34:35 Code::Blocks even Nov 22 14:34:47 Sure ;) Nov 22 14:35:23 my last job required me using eclipse under winXP Nov 22 14:36:08 12 years ago I used VisualStudio Nov 22 14:36:20 I installed VS once. Nov 22 14:36:44 which had a rather useful editor at that time, and semi-decent integration of editor and compiler Nov 22 14:37:33 (admittedly mainly for VB back when - not my choice!) Nov 22 14:38:40 vi____: I broke my usb in n900.. Nov 22 14:38:52 So you'll have to wait for PPP Nov 22 14:39:10 spoofy: aw lame. Did you not solder it down? Nov 22 14:39:20 DANG! Nov 22 14:39:27 apocalypse.. Nov 22 14:39:33 how the f*** broke the usb on N900 Nov 22 14:40:01 Nokia Care now does repairs of USB ports, if you refuse to bring warranty docs Nov 22 14:40:03 I send it to my man in nokia care Nov 22 14:40:49 He's the only guy in poland that can repair it without loosing warranty Nov 22 14:41:11 You will get an N8 back. Nov 22 14:41:18 if they refuse or declare it a total damage, you still can look for hardore solutions at Nov 22 14:41:20 ~usbfix Nov 22 14:41:21 rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Nov 22 14:41:51 spoofy: USB fix on warranty == swap for N8 Nov 22 14:41:53 Yeah.. I saw on forum.. Nov 22 14:41:56 nope Nov 22 14:42:00 yes Nov 22 14:42:05 DocScrutinizer05: I have a man working in nokia care Nov 22 14:42:15 He will do this without loosing warranty Nov 22 14:43:04 he will send it in and get a letter from Nokia center: "we destroyed the defect product, please hand out a N8 for warranty replacement" Nov 22 14:43:05 He's working in nokia care service Nov 22 14:43:26 ugh jeezzz :) No Nov 22 14:43:38 ~seen X-Fade Nov 22 14:43:42 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. Nov 22 14:44:13 If he won't repair it I'll go to nokia care and I'll swap for n9 Nov 22 14:44:17 or lumia Nov 22 14:44:27 meh Nov 22 14:44:28 then I'll sell it and buy another n900 Nov 22 14:45:00 spoofy: Good luck with that. Nov 22 14:45:08 vi____: yeah.. Nov 22 14:45:13 I hope he'll repair it Nov 22 14:45:34 He told me that the pins on board can't be broken Nov 22 14:45:41 wut Nov 22 14:45:55 You mean the tracks/pads? Nov 22 14:46:01 Yes they CAN be broken. Nov 22 14:46:07 Quite easily. Nov 22 14:46:08 definitely Nov 22 14:46:11 That is the problem. Nov 22 14:46:12 No - onboard usb pins Nov 22 14:46:35 I think we are talking about different things. Nov 22 14:46:44 ugh.. my lame english -,- - the pins must be broke on usb part not on motherboard Nov 22 14:47:24 Do not worry, my polish is lame. Nov 22 14:47:38 Although I did once manage to order a drink in poland. Nov 22 14:47:59 That was nie jeden pivo Nov 22 14:48:05 lol :D Nov 22 14:48:11 We drink alot Nov 22 14:48:17 but russians are better Nov 22 14:49:01 Jestem śrubokręt? Nov 22 14:49:11 To jest kapusta? Nov 22 14:49:12 google translator? Nov 22 14:49:13 spoofy: so you meant, he can only fix it if the PCB pads are not broken? that's almost correct Nov 22 14:49:21 yeah Nov 22 14:49:57 No, I ordered a screwdriver (the drink) Nov 22 14:50:05 couse he must do this like no sign of repair Nov 22 14:50:07 But I cannot remember how to say it :/ Nov 22 14:50:19 it must look clean on pcb Nov 22 14:50:39 maybe the "wild dog" drink? :D Nov 22 14:50:59 I prefer clean whiskey with 3 ice cubes ;) Nov 22 14:51:27 Jimmy hendrix on speakers and fluxbox with arch.. ugh.. Nov 22 14:51:31 Am I Hipster? Nov 22 14:51:41 definetely Nov 22 14:51:45 damn it -,- Nov 22 14:52:00 spoofy: I am afraid so. Nov 22 14:52:06 Do you have an ironic moustache? Nov 22 14:52:10 (if that helps (for english): "the pcb pads MUSTN'T be broken, to allow fixing") Nov 22 14:52:42 Ok I'll use google translator next time :x Nov 22 14:54:02 I must use unity or jolla ui to be more cool.. Nov 22 14:55:02 unity is in aur, go for it already :) Nov 22 14:55:27 you'll be puking ponies in no time Nov 22 14:56:13 spoofy: you should have a look at ~usbfix reinforcement soldering procedure anyway. I'd rather worry about making USB rock sturdy, rather than about losing warranty Nov 22 14:57:11 DocScrutinizer05: But my n900 is on 1,5 y warranty. After ~1,4 y I'll broke usb again and nokia care will give me new phone Nov 22 14:57:21 I'll sell it and buy jolla phone Nov 22 14:57:28 NB reinforcing USB by itself is no valid reason to deny warranty Nov 22 14:58:57 spoofy: if your favourite hobby is haxing, I doubt jolla will do it for you. Nov 22 14:59:18 I guess in 1.5 years you'll get more money for a working N900 than for whatever Nokia would send you as a replacement Nov 22 14:59:33 vi____: by creating simple app with one button "Hack it!"? Nov 22 14:59:39 DocScrutinizer05: not in poland.. Nov 22 14:59:51 DocScrutinizer05: That is why I am stocking up! Nov 22 15:00:27 DocScrutinizer05: if nokia will exist after 1,5 y Nov 22 15:00:37 spoofy: Backtrack 3 all ready had that. There was a giant red button that you could click called 'haxxor it now!'. Nov 22 15:00:46 It fired up metasploit with autopwn. Nov 22 15:00:55 some of us are already willing to pay up to 400EUR for N900 in mint condition Nov 22 15:01:16 DocScrutinizer05: YOU KNOW OF A MINT N900 OFR ONLY 400 EURO??? WHERE?? Nov 22 15:01:25 vi____: new in poland Nov 22 15:01:34 for 300 euro Nov 22 15:01:45 on 2y nokia care warranty Nov 22 15:01:55 tempting Nov 22 15:02:01 indeed Nov 22 15:02:09 migth get me #5, #6 Nov 22 15:02:31 I'll buy it for you - Just gimme a n950.. Nov 22 15:02:39 lol Nov 22 15:02:45 N950 for a mint n900. Nov 22 15:02:50 Sounds like a good deal. Nov 22 15:03:01 sorry, I have to pay 600EUR fine to Nokia if I give it away Nov 22 15:03:23 otherwise I'd probably consider it Nov 22 15:03:32 Is there any chance that david will make a packet injection for n9/n950? Nov 22 15:03:55 why not? Nov 22 15:03:59 spoofy: If you pay him. Nov 22 15:04:32 and give him a N9 ;-P Nov 22 15:04:35 I'll pay for packet injection on mer/jolla Nov 22 15:05:51 If he can do it.. why not? N950 with packet injection & external charger - an ultimate setup Nov 22 15:06:20 :-/ Nov 22 15:06:33 spoofy: Till the screen dies. Nov 22 15:06:43 No replacement parts. EVER. Nov 22 15:08:08 no more updates either Nov 22 15:08:30 well, maybe that's of minor importance for hax0rs like spoofy Nov 22 15:08:33 DocScrutinizer05: on harmattan - no, on mer/jolla - yes Nov 22 15:08:41 spoofy,packet injection on jolla is very cool Nov 22 15:08:56 wtf, jolla does not even exist yet. Nov 22 15:09:35 DocScrutinizer05: yeah I don't need screen.. I need only a hw keyboard.. Nov 22 15:09:50 spoofy: o0 Nov 22 15:09:51 What kinda pr0 hax0r need any output? Nov 22 15:10:00 That's pointless.. Nov 22 15:10:45 what kind of lame hax0r software needs any input? so go for a gumstix or sheevaplug or sth Nov 22 15:11:30 start button, feedback by beep signals Nov 22 15:11:34 What kinda hax0r need any hw anyway? Nov 22 15:11:42 like r2d2 or modem.. Nov 22 15:14:41 yeah just embed winmodem to your skull and think really hard of handshaking Nov 22 15:14:48 ~seen ivgalvez Nov 22 15:14:53 ivgalvez <~ivgalvez@89.140.113.138.static.user.ono.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8d 22h 58m 38s ago, saying: 'feel free to draft proposal and send it to Board'. Nov 22 15:15:07 :-/ Nov 22 15:15:47 btw is modem breakage common amongst N900's? Nov 22 15:16:32 Skry: It is the second biggest cause of broken n900 Nov 22 15:17:08 ok, too bad.. I'm seeing one on sale for ~40eur with a description "works fine but you can't make calls with it" Nov 22 15:17:35 Skry: Well it ether means the CMT is broken or it just needs a reflash. Nov 22 15:17:42 It is a gamble. Nov 22 15:18:02 that's what I thought too Nov 22 15:31:35 40EUR is maybe fine for a spare parts kit Nov 22 15:48:17 vi____: become mod and doooooo IT! Nov 22 15:48:49 I was away preparing my seminar speech... smoked it btw Nov 22 15:50:31 You smoked your speech? Nov 22 15:52:53 the paper it is written on! Nov 22 15:52:59 no the audience Nov 22 16:10:01 What was just found in our codebase: function unique_id() { return rand(1000, 9999); } Nov 22 16:11:08 wow Nov 22 16:11:50 I can imagine you drawing a sledgescalpel while waiting for git-blame to appear Nov 22 16:18:16 tadzik: not under version control Nov 22 16:18:47 ouch Nov 22 16:33:28 teotwaki: then it's not source code :) Nov 22 16:33:44 kerio: I never said source code, I said code base. Nov 22 16:33:53 It looks like some ninja code running on one of the web services Nov 22 17:01:35 Is it possible to use N9's USB in host mode ? Nov 22 18:58:18 hrm.... having issues with my N900 finally :( Nov 22 18:59:06 when I plug it in the charging light goes on, the screen lights up, it does the Nokia logo and does the booting up progress dots for a second or so, and then the screen turns off and I get nothing :( Nov 22 19:02:48 battery? Nov 22 20:42:37 well, normal process of booting into act-dead Nov 22 20:44:35 if it doesn't boot up without charger plugged in, then battery is flat/dead, and probably for some reason the boot process until the point where bme starts up normal charging takes a tad too long for battery to support normal operation that long Nov 22 20:46:53 usually when NOLO starts up linux kernel, the emergency charging should have charged battery sufficiently to close the power gap until kernel booted and bme got started. If however for some reason bme starts later or not at all, or battery is worn out and weak, it might not be strong enough for that duty Nov 22 20:47:24 hmm, rm_you gone Nov 22 20:47:35 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders whom he's talking to Nov 22 20:50:16 nobody Nov 22 20:50:33 rm_you left Nov 22 20:57:06 DocScrutinizer05: what's the reason for the existance of ACT_DEAD mode? Nov 22 20:58:46 charging without "turning on" Nov 22 20:59:03 alarms when switched off Nov 22 20:59:15 ShadowJK: the first is a lie Nov 22 20:59:28 the second is a lie too, because it just boots anyway a minute before the alarm is up Nov 22 20:59:28 so is "turning off" Nov 22 21:08:40 Q: what's act_dead mode? A: a runlevel of linux where unplugging of charger causes `shutdown -h now` Nov 22 21:10:16 wonder why they didnt deal with charging in some other chip firmware Nov 22 21:10:58 Q: are there other modes than charger_plugged that are related to act_dead? A: yes, RTC alarms from power-down also cause act_dead mode, in that case `shutdown -h now` will get done when you answer 'nope' to requester "do you want to start up device?" Nov 22 21:15:32 jaska: they do, that's called emergency charging (actually I named it like that) Nov 22 21:15:54 the "firmware" is in bq24150 chip in this case Nov 22 21:17:27 what *I* wonder is: why didn't they include a proper charging mode into NOLO? Nov 22 21:18:57 yawn Nov 22 21:19:20 only explanation I could think of: Nokia already had not the smallest faintest inhouse competence with bme at times when N900 got developed. And the external company that maintained bme for Nokia wasn't eager to migrate bme to NOLO Nov 22 21:19:54 Because then people would flash nolo with garbage and wonder why there's no hw charger, and then when there's hw charger, people would fry the hw charger chip and wonder why the charger (aka wall adapter) doesn't have charging functionality, then they'd pee on the wall charger and wonder why the outlet doesn't work Nov 22 21:21:01 Other explanation is that it follows the symbian model, where from act_dead to "device on" is about 1 second, but full boot is minutes Nov 22 21:21:01 hmm, though it's kinda tempting, I think this explanation has some weak points Nov 22 21:22:04 So if the alarm woke you up in the morning after being switched off for the night, your phone could "switch on" almost instantly after the alarm Nov 22 21:22:36 wait til pali tought uBoot to do proper charging, and you're settled with 'NOLO (aka bootloader) charging mode' Nov 22 21:23:28 I think the same audience that was designed for, is the same audience they had to stress test filesystems for unexpected powerloss thing :) Nov 22 21:23:48 couldn't be too hard to port charge21-simplified to a uBoot script Nov 22 21:25:41 aiui all that's missing for doing this little fancy is uBoot knowing to do I2Cget/set Nov 22 21:26:21 since uBoot is no multitasking kernel, a rudimentary I2C driver should be piss simple to implement Nov 22 21:26:43 probably less than 200 c lines Nov 22 21:26:56 incl cmdline parsing Nov 22 21:27:25 Also check if you could get someone to leak nolo's doom3d mode :) Nov 22 21:27:35 there's a doom3d mode? :o Nov 22 21:28:25 I heard someone made a 3d shooter thingy in nolo Nov 22 21:29:54 actually, on a second thought, I'm sure uBoot already has to have a i2c driver Nov 22 21:31:47 hello Nov 22 21:32:15 Does somebody use oauth library in their applications? Nov 22 21:34:51 ShadowJK: your explanation along the line "from act_dead to "device on" is about 1 second" doesn't fit. Since on maemo a boot from act_dead to normal runlevel is via full reboot Nov 22 21:35:23 Alot of other things are half-done on maemo too :-) Nov 22 21:35:42 actually it seems like power-on from act_dead is a `shutdown -r now` Nov 22 21:36:13 as opposed to `shutdown -h now` for unplugging charger Nov 22 21:36:15 It's better on maemo4 Nov 22 21:38:26 you seem to be in a grumpy mood towards fremantle today ;-) Nov 22 21:39:29 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, fremantle is a piece of crap Nov 22 21:40:12 kerio: so what? shall I applaud? oppose? ignore you? Nov 22 21:40:31 i'm just saying that feelings of grumpiness are to be expected Nov 22 21:40:38 kerio: to be fair, computers are shite Nov 22 21:40:54 and that's why grumpiness is to be expected :) Nov 22 21:48:22 I try to use kqoauth for oauth but it doesn't works Nov 22 21:48:24 work* Nov 22 21:58:30 hi all... have question anyone try to change way how opera open youtube links? like try to opera play videos with mplayer?? Nov 22 21:58:39 yes computers are shite. Nov 22 21:58:54 Drathir: not possible. Nov 22 21:59:03 opera is a sandbox. Nov 22 21:59:09 nothing escapes. Nov 22 21:59:29 DocScrutinizer05: why not use the maemo SDK vm image? Nov 22 21:59:29 sounds quite sensible Nov 22 21:59:34 vi__: thanks a lot for save a time for looking... Nov 22 21:59:47 vi__: dunno Nov 22 21:59:54 Drathir: I want it too...however too bad. Nov 22 21:59:56 Drathir: copypaste the link manually, i guess Nov 22 22:00:53 little missing for me a little way like blackberry browser translate links and play inside builit in player... Nov 22 22:01:10 to much little... Nov 22 22:02:01 although... Nov 22 22:02:01 opera mobile should support bookmarklets. Nov 22 22:02:12 you probably *could* even set up a shellscript to get started via M-H-D hotkey, that reads out X11 copybuffer by some standard X11 command and then invokes whatever you told it to invoke, possibly even depending on mimetype of copybuffer content Nov 22 22:02:13 kerio: yes i try but only opera allow to go to site with error adres aplication not recognised... Nov 22 22:05:44 dat error Nov 22 22:05:55 can I disable it somehow? Nov 22 22:06:06 and make it try to google it instead Nov 22 22:06:30 it's very annoying when searching errors on google due to usual structure of an error msg Nov 22 22:06:39 after use bb i can say for normal user is a good phones for power use dissalow a many of things, and cant do a lot of interesting things, but a few of function and abilities is good one to assimilete... Nov 22 22:07:17 Drathir: btw, why are you using opera instead of microb? Nov 22 22:07:30 (microb is the standard browser) Nov 22 22:08:07 kerio: opera looks a little less resource use and turbo mode... Nov 22 22:08:30 turbo is the selling point for me Nov 22 22:08:34 less resource usage??? Nov 22 22:08:39 I'm probably biased as hell though ;) Nov 22 22:08:42 turbo mode can be nice Nov 22 22:09:03 missing for me ucweb browser with light memory use and tabs support it is java based... Nov 22 22:09:15 bleh Nov 22 22:09:27 main problem I have with microB is no tabs Nov 22 22:10:05 I tend to open many tabs on desktop, and ending up with 100ish is normal Nov 22 22:10:13 go figure what happens on phone Nov 22 22:10:13 I like it, it's easier to switch them this way Nov 22 22:10:24 turbo for gsm use save a lot of brandwidth... byt ubwweb for effective data transfer looks better than opera... Nov 22 22:10:38 i can't deny that Nov 22 22:10:50 but that can be solved by design Nov 22 22:10:53 if you open more than 4 tabs, is it microb or opera, you're insane :) Nov 22 22:11:07 but they clutter taskswitcher a lot Nov 22 22:11:09 meh Nov 22 22:11:19 i usually end up with 10+ Nov 22 22:11:35 then close some as taskswitcher becomes impossible to use properly Nov 22 22:12:27 also Drathir IIRC opera mini is available for n900 Nov 22 22:12:36 if you're concerned about data usage Nov 22 22:12:48 what oauth library is recommended for using in n900? Nov 22 22:12:51 I believe it uses a lot less than even opera turbo Nov 22 22:13:09 sad that n900 dont have a native light browser with server side prepare data... itcan be faster and less resource use for normal use if dond need advanced options like flash... Nov 22 22:13:29 uhh Nov 22 22:13:38 what about opera turbo? Nov 22 22:14:01 Opera Mobile is native, isn't it? Nov 22 22:14:18 it is Nov 22 22:14:31 yes is good but resorce use is higher than site will be translated prepared from server side engine... Nov 22 22:15:04 yeah Nov 22 22:15:18 the site is just compressed though Nov 22 22:15:24 the difference between mini and mobile is essentialy that mobile renders pages on device Nov 22 22:15:27 the client still does the rendering Nov 22 22:15:32 yeah Nov 22 22:15:34 opera mobile is more fat than opera mini, but more powerfull... Nov 22 22:16:03 yes i know that mini is java based.. Nov 22 22:16:19 not the n900 version Nov 22 22:16:25 IIRC Nov 22 22:16:35 as it doesn't come with j2me Nov 22 22:17:46 vi____: ping Nov 22 22:20:10 that kind light browser without advanced feautures for fast use with many windows and simple content of sites is missing on n900, but that only my minds... Nov 22 22:21:35 opera mini is natively available on n900 fyi Nov 22 22:22:01 dunno if the latest version is though, but 10 is definitely available Nov 22 22:22:45 anyone who have phone with java support can check ucbrowser and than know what i have on mean... Nov 22 22:24:08 FIQ: i check but opera mobile 12 is fatest version with advanced feautures Nov 22 22:27:25 ok Nov 22 22:45:58 Reading the backlog... IS there any pressing reason maemo goes through a full reboot from act_dead to user, instead of just switching runlevels? Nov 22 22:57:29 kolp: that's a difficult question Nov 22 22:58:51 Hm, it might speed up the boot process a little bit, don't you think? Nov 22 22:59:27 I might figure there's some issue with dependencies during services' strartup Nov 22 23:00:20 act_dead might start services that aren't supposed to run when starting other services that aren't started yet in act_dead Nov 22 23:01:05 Can't runlevels deal with that? Stop unwanted services? Nov 22 23:01:33 so you'd have to shut down those services prior to starting up everything. Most easy way to do that would be to do a full reboot, no doubt Nov 22 23:01:43 True Nov 22 23:02:03 that's mere handwaving though Nov 22 23:02:54 only way to find out: try direct transit from act_dead runlevel to full_service runlevel, see what's blowing chunks Nov 22 23:03:23 Hi Nov 22 23:03:31 don't miss to carefully check things like devicelock, 911-call etc Nov 22 23:03:32 Might be that DSME or BME or whatever there's being started can't deal with a different STATE all of a sudden Nov 22 23:03:49 may be somebody used kqoauth library? Nov 22 23:04:37 wtf is kqoauthlib now? Nov 22 23:04:52 sounds like a kde lib Nov 22 23:07:49 it's oauth library for qt Nov 22 23:19:37 Gna, anually switching to runlevel 5 (act-dead) is hard-wired to reboot, too Nov 22 23:19:42 *actually Nov 22 23:26:27 fun factoid: in HARM switching to act_dead even lets survive your ssh login Nov 22 23:27:01 FWIW Nov 22 23:30:23 Nice Nov 22 23:30:27 gtg Nov 22 23:30:28 n( Nov 22 23:30:31 n8 Nov 22 23:57:05 kerio: tried popping the battery several times, it's obviously charging (and at this point now the charging light is green) so I assume the battery is fine? could be wrong Nov 23 01:08:19 ~botsnack Nov 23 01:08:19 DocScrutinizer51: :) Nov 23 01:11:29 what can be a reason that when system start have 20mb swap used? clean after restart use some about 120mb of ram thats a lot or not? Nov 23 01:11:45 botsnack Nov 23 01:11:53 gochi Nov 23 01:52:16 that will be strange if coreplayer will can smoothly play stream video on n80 but on n900 not i must will testing that... Nov 23 01:56:19