**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 02:59:59 2012 Nov 24 03:06:31 i have no idea one of video file works stored loccaly and played with open media player but second should working also not... hrhr thats the magic is.... Nov 24 03:11:39 what type? Nov 24 03:11:42 different codec? Nov 24 03:11:46 One damaged? Nov 24 03:25:43 almost all media files are just container formats, where you got no clue about codec used form mere extension of filename Nov 24 03:26:20 from mere* Nov 24 03:26:37 Aside from, say, webM. Nov 24 03:26:38 and the ones that aren't usually have eleventh billion codec options, which not all things will support Nov 24 03:26:45 aside from mp3 Nov 24 03:26:53 eleventy Nov 24 03:27:12 mp3 has a fair number of options. but generally works. Nov 24 03:27:22 yeah, like eleventy sampling rates with mp3 ;-) Nov 24 03:27:55 even with mp3 I'm not all that sure it also handles adaptive rate Nov 24 03:28:45 seemto recall I heard fremantle's mp3 decoder fails on some adaptive rate encoded mp3 files Nov 24 03:29:05 video is same-thing^9 Nov 24 03:30:13 for example N900 fails on HD video, quite generally Nov 24 03:32:41 robbiethe1st: type mp4 x264 Nov 24 03:34:47 but funny is that working playing nice not freezes or slows only see some video drops fragments on screen... Nov 24 03:35:53 robbiethe1st: all should be encoded one this same method from one person... Nov 24 03:36:22 Try mplayer, what does it say? Nov 24 03:37:24 SpeedEvil: robbiethe1st DocScrutinizer05 mp3 not problem also flac HQ works great... Nov 24 03:37:40 yup Nov 24 03:40:56 robbiethe1st: i saw strange thing somthing like mplayer use les of graphic power high quality with open media player works faster than this same with mplayer... like openmedia using other better direct acces to video card... Nov 24 03:42:39 robbiethe1st: could you share your knowledge about how to create a custom fiasco.bin? Nov 24 03:42:57 Check the first post of my BM topic Nov 24 03:43:03 Everything I know, I put there Nov 24 03:43:03 :-D Nov 24 03:43:05 thanks Nov 24 03:48:37 ~bm Nov 24 03:48:38 backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Nov 24 03:50:39 I see, I missed the negligible detail that our recent problem was about eMMC Nov 24 03:51:29 Well, once in BM, it's easy to DD A to B. Nov 24 03:51:39 Or, tear the fiasco image apart, see what makes it tick Nov 24 03:51:41 did anyone ever make a better custom application manager for N900? Nov 24 03:57:36 apt-get Nov 24 08:36:50 DocScrutinizer05: i get that it's because of convenience, but should we really try to keep using the silly flasher-3.5 with its limitations instead of making something more flexible? Nov 24 08:37:19 for instance, a modified RescueOS that grabs an image via usb networking and writes it Nov 24 12:03:06 what can be a reson of that message ? "[AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe" Nov 24 12:04:54 #ps3downgrade Nov 24 12:17:08 msg: (may i join) Nov 24 12:35:18 DocScrutinizer05, look here: http://pastebin.com/NeNnH22W Nov 24 12:35:50 nolo has own partition table Nov 24 12:36:19 and there is something in CAL too (section part_table) Nov 24 12:36:45 Pali: BTW, did you try libcal? Nov 24 12:36:53 not yet Nov 24 12:37:14 grrr, why you wanted me to RE it :P Nov 24 12:37:24 for 0xFFFF Nov 24 12:37:31 aah, ok Nov 24 12:37:46 I have only readonly cal parser from calvaria in 0xFFFF Nov 24 12:38:25 [ 0.011] Partition table successfully read Nov 24 12:38:30 from where? Nov 24 12:38:35 kerio, CAL Nov 24 12:38:43 but... Nov 24 12:38:47 how does it know where CAL is? Nov 24 12:38:56 and what if you nuke CAL? Nov 24 12:39:05 maybe hardcoded address Nov 24 12:39:19 kerio, good question Nov 24 12:39:22 I will try it Nov 24 12:39:24 sambo7 did that Nov 24 12:39:25 (in qemu) Nov 24 12:39:28 and it still booted Nov 24 12:39:36 my guess is that it reverts to some default Nov 24 12:39:47 either that, or the onenand has its own partition table that we don't really know about Nov 24 12:40:10 kerio, first we need to understand format of part_table in CAL Nov 24 13:43:32 kerio: I gather you meanwhile noticed that 'flashing' via rescueOS is no real substitute for flasher, if only regarding partitioning that might be fckedup too and gets fixed by flashing Nov 24 13:44:06 DocScrutinizer05: huh? Nov 24 13:44:31 i assume you meant backupmenu there Nov 24 13:44:37 rescueos can do whatever you want Nov 24 13:44:41 DocScrutinizer05: is possibility to broke partitions? Nov 24 13:46:17 backup menu can do repartitioning like do flasher? Nov 24 13:46:20 Drathir: sure, for example uBoot *can* cause weird partitions handed to kernel Nov 24 13:47:12 DocScrutinizer05: oh thats not nice.... Nov 24 13:47:38 Drathir: he means mtd partitions there Nov 24 13:47:52 the partitions on the emmc can be fucked a lot more easily Nov 24 13:47:54 Drathir: why? Nov 24 13:49:10 Drathir: there's *always* _some_ way to break or mess up partitioning, unless you have something hardwired (never heard of such a thing) Nov 24 13:49:24 because if something can broke emmc propably can broke backup menu ? Nov 24 13:49:38 Drathir: of course Nov 24 13:49:47 then you reflash everything, install backupmenu, and restore your backup :) Nov 24 13:50:36 kerio: yes true but then need acces to pc... Nov 24 13:51:09 Drathir: from the n900 itself you can fuck up almost everything, yes Nov 24 13:51:14 just... don't do it Nov 24 13:52:10 but anyway this method faster can pickup to work from backup with ypur stuff... Nov 24 13:53:50 btw my fight with video playing i think that maybe alsa inside mplayer caused problems... too many [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe Nov 24 13:53:53 [AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard. Nov 24 13:54:15 Drathir: you're supposed to use pulseaudio to play sounds Nov 24 13:54:50 awwww, i've got a bad eraseblock :'( Nov 24 13:55:31 kerio: idk if that way works because pulse is some kind of patch to alsa but also check and try... Nov 24 13:59:24 DocScrutinizer05: i don't remember all the modifications to my system :( Nov 24 14:08:49 kerio: hmm? Nov 24 14:09:31 i don't remember exactly what i changed from a stock fremantle system Nov 24 14:10:11 i should've kept more notes Nov 24 14:18:48 while this for sure is a nice thing to have/do, I don't see the reason to mention it right now Nov 24 14:20:34 kerio: a tip that maybe helps you: I try to write up everything as a scriptie, so I can reproduce it later. Or I use logs where scripts are too silly (see ~jrtools apt-get log) Nov 24 14:34:50 +1 for scripting, and commenting it if necessary Nov 24 14:40:11 strange is avaible two versions libsdl-mixer1.2.8 and libsdl-mixer1.2 Nov 24 14:44:19 DocScrutinizer05, now 0xFFFF can backup (on device) mtd images and create flashable fiasco archive Nov 24 15:09:29 Pali: what about the stuff in /opt/? Nov 24 15:09:59 kerio, now writing TMO post and I will release beta version Nov 24 15:10:04 kerio, patches are welcome Nov 24 15:20:09 Beta version of new 0xFFFF is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Nov 24 15:20:41 DocScrutinizer05, merlin1991, freemangordon, kerio, ... look ^^^^ Nov 24 15:22:12 Pali: is the image valid if the rootfs is mounted? Nov 24 15:23:03 kerio, it is same as: if you remove battery when rootfs is mounted... Nov 24 15:23:18 i see Nov 24 15:23:30 so after it some recovery will be called Nov 24 15:23:32 so the on-device one is still supposed to be used from somewhere that's not actually running Nov 24 15:23:41 (makes sense, really) Nov 24 15:23:42 but ubifs has own recovery code in kernel Nov 24 15:23:56 you can backup kernel & nolo Nov 24 15:35:17 sib app looks nice... Nov 24 15:35:59 but detect only mp4 Nov 24 16:11:01 GeneralAntilles: new CSSU-T release shipped, if you need sth for next MWKN Nov 24 16:12:57 GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1297455#post1297455 Nov 24 16:14:03 Thanks. Nov 24 16:32:44 GeneralAntilles, also new beta version of 0xFFFF: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Nov 24 16:57:57 MWKN? Nov 24 17:01:55 Maemo Weekly News? Nov 24 17:05:03 oic Nov 24 17:05:56 Pali, noted, thanks. Nov 24 18:09:26 anyone just oc the graphics? Nov 24 18:16:26 Drathir: though OC for graphics/video rendering is one of the few clearly defined justified usecases for OC, it's largely terra incognita since nobody ever looks into particular gfx/dsp-accel OC. It's not even clear (at least I'm not sure) if you could clock the coprocessors like gfx-accel/dsp independently from main CPU. Also while several people claim "works for me" for several random OC rates of CPU, quite usually nobody ever even Nov 24 18:16:28 bothers to look into reliability of coprocessors and how it's affected by OC. Nov 24 18:20:27 Drathir: also see: Nov 24 18:20:32 ~omap-oc Nov 24 18:20:32 omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Nov 24 18:22:16 and keep in mind that during video playback, your CPU and GFX-accel hw most likely running at max clock freq all the time, so video playback time goes 100% into the assumed 1000h lifetime of CPU/SoC at 800MHz (less on higher clock rates) Nov 24 18:23:22 DocScrutinizer05: SGX runs 150MHz(iirc) at max, no matter CPU speed Nov 24 18:24:13 if you paid 400 bucks for N900, you have to decide if playing 90 min of video is worth a wear equaling 60ct value for you Nov 24 18:26:17 freemangordon: so SGX can not be overclocked at all? Nov 24 18:26:40 DocScrutinizer05: it can be, but does not depend on CPU clock Nov 24 18:26:49 mhm Nov 24 18:27:10 150 (iirc) is max stock Nov 24 18:27:18 it could be 160 Nov 24 18:27:21 not sure Nov 24 18:27:29 fun detail: we have no proper data about wear at different clock freq for SGX, afaik Nov 24 18:28:14 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and goes afk Nov 24 18:37:12 it's sgx 530 es3.x -> 110MHz max Nov 24 18:37:48 join #irchacks Nov 24 18:38:17 there are later variants which clock to 200MHz and 333MHz Nov 24 18:38:23 thank you doc Nov 24 18:38:26 yw Nov 24 18:39:03 Skry: iirc 2630 is 160 Nov 24 18:39:06 *3630 Nov 24 18:39:12 in n9/50 Nov 24 18:39:33 might very well be so Nov 24 18:39:56 I assumed we were talking about n900 :) Nov 24 18:45:12 it looks like 530 in 3630 can go up to 192MHz, which would suggest it is es5 or 6, core rev 1.2.5 so to speak Nov 24 18:51:33 and for logs and reference, n900 has rev 1.2.1, so no magical unlocking of 200MHz I hear some talking about Nov 24 18:52:37 it does scale down however, to ~57MHz iirc, quite nicely Nov 24 18:54:15 DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot for explain... i think about this because interesting me if it isnt any kind of software issue with video smooth play... must do more tests with compare to n80... Nov 24 18:56:00 Drathir: is it really worth it to play HD videos on the n900? Nov 24 18:56:46 DocScrutinizer05: i not sure if i will oc propably not but interested if upper speed give any results in decoding... Nov 24 18:56:50 particularly: is it worth to play HD videos at all, on hw that can do lowres only Nov 24 18:57:12 Drathir: one thing I just remembered, I did notice some jerkiness with video ripped from PAL dvd, while NTSC source produces smooth video, so something framerate related perhaps? Nov 24 18:57:47 or scaling to 480 is simpler than scaling to 512 ? Nov 24 18:58:18 s/ to / from /g Nov 24 18:58:19 DocScrutinizer05 meant: or scaling from 480 is simpler than scaling from 512 ? Nov 24 18:58:33 s/512/576/ Nov 24 18:58:49 fucking PAL >:( Nov 24 18:59:36 might as well be scaling 480<->512, whatever your TV-out config on N900, and what's your source media format Nov 24 19:00:02 kerio: thats the case that isnt hd only 480p, but with h264 encoded... Nov 24 19:00:49 Drathir: h.264 support on N900 is rudimentary Nov 24 19:01:24 Drathir: freemangordon's 720p codecs should allow the playback of h264 Nov 24 19:01:30 there are several grades of H.264 encodings afaik, and N900 only supports baseband Nov 24 19:01:54 seems what I can recall Nov 24 19:02:14 yeah, 3.0, without weighted p-frames Nov 24 19:02:35 which ie handbrake tries to enable Nov 24 19:03:08 DocScrutinizer05: i must check if this not a software issue, be that if n80 play is smoothly... Nov 24 19:03:30 to small amount of test i do for now... Nov 24 19:05:20 i compare with n80 because only that phone i have and can test... Nov 24 19:07:04 good thing is while playing this video on n900 phone isnt verv hot, temp looks some like when battery is chrging... Nov 24 19:07:22 missing sensors to check temp... Nov 24 22:20:53 is Estel_ ever going to come back? Nov 24 22:23:23 hopefully not Nov 24 23:40:34 ah, there is an maemo-channel :) Nov 24 23:41:14 yeah, several actually Nov 24 23:42:11 I got an N900 now :) I want reset all settings from user before me and maybe reflash maemo? Nov 24 23:42:35 I don't know the "Sperrcode" Nov 24 23:42:58 Sperrcode, haha. Nov 24 23:43:07 in english? Nov 24 23:43:14 Security code or something Nov 24 23:43:19 ok Nov 24 23:43:28 Well, just flash it :P This way nothing of the user is kept Nov 24 23:43:38 no need to know that code when reflashing Nov 24 23:43:47 :) Nov 24 23:44:11 ~flashing Nov 24 23:44:12 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 24 23:44:34 it would be nice to have an bootloader then with can boot multible distributions... Nov 24 23:44:45 uboot Nov 24 23:45:28 have I to flash uboot before flashing maemo-firmware? Nov 24 23:45:54 flash your phone completely before anything else ;) Nov 24 23:46:03 err i mean NIT! Nov 24 23:53:07 NeutrinoPower: I suggest that you get familiar with your device and Fremantle in general first before venturing to other distributions Nov 24 23:55:14 ok ;) Nov 24 23:58:29 In the end you might even find Maemo quite enjoyable experience. And in general it's not a very good idea to rush straight to messing with uboot and other os, as it seems to be somewhat complicated subject for many. Nov 24 23:59:09 ^. Perhaps I'd try Ubuntu, but android etc isn't nice at all Nov 24 23:59:22 an MeeGo? Nov 24 23:59:27 and.. Nov 24 23:59:52 meego is unfinished in n900 from what i know, but i dont follow the progress for a while Nov 25 00:00:22 In the end, I still think maemo is the best os for the n900. I should try Ubuntu once I get to fix my phone's microUSB which needs special treatment Nov 25 00:00:48 as a normal fix won't do it, one of the five pins is screwed up. Anyways, talking about that Nov 25 00:01:01 Well, if you want a phone style os, then your other os choice would be nemo Nov 25 00:01:04 You better check if your microUSB is alright. Be very careful with it, and if possible, open it and reinforce it Nov 25 00:02:39 and for more general linux experience, pick your poison. There is arch, debian, ubuntu and few others all in varying states regarding functionality and user experience Nov 25 00:03:04 ok, I need to install the flasher on archlinux Nov 25 00:05:03 the nokia site is strange because when i agree the terms with the buttom nothing happens on the site Nov 25 00:06:41 nokia is pulling the plug so to speak, I would not be surprised if the page is not working Nov 25 00:09:02 I installed flasher-harmattan now Nov 25 00:09:11 wait Nov 25 00:09:15 harmattan? Nov 25 00:09:34 do you own a N900 or N9? Nov 25 00:09:52 [neutrino@neutrino ~]$ flasher -V Nov 25 00:09:52 flasher 3.12.1 (Oct 5 2011) Harmattan Nov 25 00:10:14 hm ok, this is only for N9... Nov 25 00:10:19 I have N900 Nov 25 00:12:49 haha Nov 25 00:12:57 fremantle! Nov 25 00:13:19 flasher 3.5_2.5.2.2-2 is right?! Nov 25 00:13:23 flasher3.5 on the wiki Nov 25 00:13:38 yeah should be Nov 25 00:14:04 oh by the way, for how much did you get your N900? also, brand new or 2nd handed Nov 25 00:14:41 secondhand for 90€ Nov 25 00:15:03 how good is it? Scratches, etc Nov 25 00:15:21 good Nov 25 00:15:30 lol, ok Nov 25 00:17:05 do you use a display protective foil? Nov 25 00:17:53 nope, it's full of little scratches Nov 25 00:18:23 mostly because of my nails I guess ;) the scratches are only visible under certain situations though, it's not like any light is going to show them off Nov 25 00:19:08 but then it looks almost the same as dragging fingertips, so I don't really mind Nov 25 00:19:25 the keyboard however is all worn out, decaying paint Nov 25 00:26:54 hm, where I get a maemo-firmware-image? I don't get anything on the nokia-site... Nov 25 00:27:37 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php and why they want the IMAI for a free Distribution? Nov 25 00:27:56 IMEI Nov 25 00:40:39 someone going to flashing ? ^^ Nov 25 00:42:40 NeutrinoPower: proppably verify version of firmware... because image could be universal... Nov 25 00:43:47 actually I have Version 20.2010.36-2 on N900 Nov 25 00:44:15 Maemo5 Nov 25 00:46:17 NeutrinoPower: 21.2011.38-1 Nov 25 00:47:39 where can I get this image-version? Nov 25 00:48:41 ~cssu Nov 25 00:48:42 cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Nov 25 00:49:31 NeutrinoPower: i chose testing version used on clean flashed from nokia site... Nov 25 01:02:05 maybe I am to tired to find a source of maemo images Nov 25 01:02:51 see Nov 25 01:02:57 ~flash Nov 25 01:02:58 hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 25 01:03:53 NeutrinoPower: did you say you run Arch? If you do, I had to run flasher as root to be able to flash. Telling you this because I know one case where the user did not think of that and thought flasher just does not work. Nov 25 01:03:59 get the combinedmand vanilla image marked 'latest' Nov 25 01:04:35 arch? who running arch? Nov 25 01:05:11 I Nov 25 01:05:26 oh main pc system... Nov 25 01:05:53 i also flashing using arch... works great... Nov 25 01:06:12 ah I think I have it, I need only the name of the image and not the image itself for flasher :D lol Nov 25 01:07:07 or? Nov 25 01:07:09 sorry. Nov 25 01:07:13 ? Nov 25 01:07:39 ~flash Nov 25 01:07:40 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 25 01:07:41 hm I don't have any idea Nov 25 01:07:57 yes i read this site Nov 25 01:08:36 but I don't get an image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Nov 25 01:09:10 why? Nov 25 01:09:19 I don't know Nov 25 01:09:25 only one things that you must remember when installing flasher is blacklisting modules... Nov 25 01:10:22 don't know is no answer. what's the problem? Nov 25 01:11:10 Drathir: I run arch both on my n900 and "main" pc, if that's what you wondered, check tmo if you're interested. Nov 25 01:11:36 DocScrutinizer51: I believe he gets no download from the page Nov 25 01:11:55 ! Nov 25 01:12:14 ? Nov 25 01:13:07 I hoped I'd never again have to visit that page :-/ Nov 25 01:13:24 now you tell me I have to do it, just to check if it's broken? Nov 25 01:14:06 I thought about doig just that for a moment, didn't. :) Nov 25 01:14:10 I'd prefer to have a detailed description of the problem Nov 25 01:14:57 ah on Konqueror I get a list of maemo-images finally :) Nov 25 01:15:20 and that's why ^^^ Nov 25 01:15:24 Skry: o.O in near future i also going to try run arch on n900.... Nov 25 01:16:59 NeutrinoPower: get *VANILLA* and *COMBINED*, botht he version marked 'latest' Nov 25 01:17:12 but the newest version is "PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2" Nov 25 01:17:18 for combined you probably wanna pick the international or global version Nov 25 01:17:27 yes, sounds correct Nov 25 01:19:17 Drathir: ok, when you feel like it, be sure to read my guide/thread on tmo before jumping into it Nov 25 01:19:53 but I want "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1" Nov 25 01:20:12 stay calm, that will come later :-) Nov 25 01:20:34 you'll even get "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo6" Nov 25 01:20:43 but not as fiaco.image Nov 25 01:21:13 (again, we could really use such an image) Nov 25 01:21:17 where? Nov 25 01:21:55 Skry: with this same nick? Nov 25 01:21:56 NeutrinoPower: please get "PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2" Nov 25 01:22:32 Drathir: yes, same nick, it's under alternatives, you'll notice Nov 25 01:24:11 NeutrinoPower: easy go throuhgt step that write DocScrutinizer05 and everything goes fine without the problems... Nov 25 01:24:11 NeutrinoPower: there is no newer fiasco.image than that one Nov 25 01:25:38 Skry: thanks im go to read before do anything with arch arm... thanks a lot... Nov 25 01:26:26 Skry: sure we could use such an image, really mad useful. But only if it's not neutered into oblivion Nov 25 01:27:10 Drathir: np, if you need help or want to talk about it, we even have a channel to do that, it's mentioned in the thread also, so welcome. Nov 25 01:27:30 traitor! ;-P Nov 25 01:27:42 ;) Nov 25 01:27:57 i downloaded "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" and flash tomorrow, ciao Nov 25 01:28:09 why 003 ? Nov 25 01:28:19 meh, tomorrow then Nov 25 01:28:21 I just got a refund of 239 pounds from my energy company. Nov 25 01:28:38 I just was about to ponder preparing some popcorn Nov 25 01:28:55 I'm trying to resist the nexus 4 which is that exact amount Nov 25 01:28:57 literally Nov 25 01:29:04 Skry: thats amazing thanks for invite i will use it with pleasure when going to install... Nov 25 01:29:18 my popper died Nov 25 01:29:21 DocScrutinizer05: we just felt it would be appropriate to have a channel focusing on maemo alternatives so we don't cruft this channel. And sure, non-neutered image would be fine, we can always neuter it later. :) Nov 25 01:29:45 my words :-) Nov 25 01:30:33 NeutrinoPower: we'd prefer (well I'd) if you would spend another 45 min so we can talk you thru your first flashing right now Nov 25 01:30:42 tomoorow I might not be available Nov 25 01:30:43 DocScrutinizer05: would you download "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin"? Nov 25 01:30:49 yes Nov 25 01:31:04 003 is what? USA? India? Nov 25 01:31:57 oh, I thought middle europe :D Nov 25 01:32:08 I mean, if that's really the correct image for your locale, then you as well can use 003 Nov 25 01:32:09 lol Nov 25 01:32:37 I will join this chat before i start flashing tomorrow Nov 25 01:32:56 but global should really fit everywhere, except for arabic and chinese fonts afaik Nov 25 01:33:41 :shrug: Nov 25 01:34:13 well, if you're lucky, you won't get suggestions like "install powerkernel and thumb!" Nov 25 01:34:25 ;-P Nov 25 01:34:45 ciao Nov 25 01:34:52 for poland loc i take multi and is enough... Nov 25 01:35:46 (s)he's same country like me, he should as well be happy with global version Nov 25 01:39:28 I think we {sh,c}ould dig up the day when kerio was unleashed to train the newcomer, from the logs and maybe put it somewhere, it was quite educational evening iirc Nov 25 01:39:44 Skry: will blacklisting as I suggested on ~flash work on arch? Nov 25 01:40:33 kerio? really?? ;-P Nov 25 01:41:43 blacklisting should work similary Nov 25 01:42:01 and yeah, he actually did a very good job back then :) Nov 25 01:42:43 well, if you can think of a proper searchstring for chanlog, come up with a URL :-D Nov 25 01:43:08 I have to admit I can't recall this event Nov 25 01:43:58 I recall you saing before you left "Do whatever kerio says, he knows what he is talking about" or something like that Nov 25 01:44:20 yeah, that sentence I recall Nov 25 01:44:31 ~listkeys kerio Nov 25 01:44:33 Factoid search of 'kerio' by key (3): kerio ;; kerio #DEL# ;; oldtest kerioth. Nov 25 01:44:43 ~kerio Nov 25 01:44:45 methinks kerio is [...] kerio is correct [...] Nov 25 01:44:53 :) Nov 25 01:45:06 this was another occasion though Nov 25 01:45:32 I hoped for him to set up a factoid which I could factinfo then for the date Nov 25 01:48:40 * DocScrutinizer05 scans his calendar for days marked in fat red writing "Kerio not trolling today" ;-) Nov 25 01:49:11 nov 12 was the day Nov 25 01:50:31 dang, that's just 2 weeks ago Nov 25 01:53:49 you meant this one, right? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T17:48:42 Nov 25 01:54:55 yes, that one Nov 25 01:58:54 it was this interesting: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T19:16:17 :) Nov 25 02:10:50 hmm, I wonder if there would be any use for a wiki page that would act as a cheatsheet/reference for newbies, simple chronological links to other pages to get their device up to date and to some essential "non-official" stuff so they can get a glimpse what is possible to do with their device Nov 25 02:13:26 maybe I'll write one someday, apparently editing wiki is still not working? Nov 25 02:14:10 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-12.log.html#t2012-11-12T18:35:02 FIQ *no Nov 25 02:14:13 * BS Nov 25 02:14:20 R&D mode is BS Nov 25 02:14:35 err, Nov 25 02:14:47 vi___ ^^^ Nov 25 02:16:19 Skry: editing wiki still fsckd up, I requested for publishing the incriminated .php(?) scripts so community could help fixing them, can't be THAT hard! really! Nov 25 02:17:35 that would be great, imo working wiki is quite high on priority Nov 25 02:17:58 damn, in 4 weeks is x-mess. Nobody at nemein or nokia is working til 6th of january. If shit isn't fixed *before* x-mess, we're probably screwed for looong time approximating infinity Nov 25 02:18:31 that might be the case unfortunately :\ Nov 25 02:20:13 I really hoped they wouldn't do that, but I always been afraid that worst case how Nokia would "shut down" services was exactly *this* way: rendering everything in a totally messed up unusable state months before they finally pull the plug Nov 25 02:21:27 of course, "why fix it *now* when it's down end EOL in a month or two anyway" F U ! Nov 25 02:21:47 s/end/and/. Nov 25 02:23:19 big corp logic Nov 25 02:23:33 Skry: and yes, fully functional wiki is at very least among topmost 3 important things for maemo Nov 25 02:24:51 and messing up shite fubar but not allowing it to migrate or getting fixed by any volunteer is among top 3 ways how to destroy a community Nov 25 02:25:51 just keep stuff alive enough so users wouldn't ponder to google for alternatives Nov 25 02:26:12 nobody will notice it's bitrotten and outdated Nov 25 02:26:32 except those who want to update it Nov 25 02:28:14 on places where you can't do this strategy, you instead send poisonous people to spam each and every thread with annoying rant and bitching and lies and false info, so no sane user will even come back for a second visit Nov 25 02:29:42 Yeah. I wouln't be that surprised if they decided to finally pull the plug as you said, after all things have gone just like you said for awhile now, they have been keeping everything just barely alive. Nov 25 02:29:55 auxiliary info on that topic: http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ Nov 25 02:30:27 and speaking of the big corps and shit, I found this very interesting read http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/23/why_os2_failed_part_one/ Nov 25 02:33:23 >>It’s also important to set up an official web site which is down as often as it’s up. It’s not enough to have no web site at all; in such situations, the community has an irritating habit of creating sites of its own. But a flaky site can forestall the creation of those sites, ensuring that information is hard to find.<< Nov 25 02:39:15 very appropriate. that's how it was, and looks like we are the next target. Nov 25 02:41:19 Though I do think this community is something that is not so easy to get rid of. I believe we will manage without the scraps from Nokia just as well. Nov 25 02:48:36 yeah, possible Nov 25 02:48:40 :-S Nov 25 02:54:26 at least we have quite adept userbase, people capable of. Can't say anything about financial matters but I think at least good hosting should be possible to achieve and the rest we can do on our own if necessary. Nov 25 02:56:54 about hosting proppably find any firm to help for advertise of it... Nov 25 02:57:51 is big community a lot of people visiting of it... Nov 25 02:58:48 but strange nokia have own servers what problems is give one of them for use maemo community only... Nov 25 02:59:39 yeah, and there is already community members mirroring maemo stuff and related, don't know about the specs of their servers and lines but "community hosting" might be possible too **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 25 02:59:59 2012