**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 02 02:59:59 2012 Dec 02 04:05:43 (( You could try putting a shim behind the battery, to tighten it up)) nope! bend spring latch a bit inwards Dec 02 09:50:10 i keep doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade but it doesn't upgrade anything :( Dec 02 13:12:20 a1 Dec 02 14:09:26 my rootfs is below 256mb now! \_o_/ Dec 02 14:09:31 er, \o/ Dec 02 14:09:34 i'm happy about it Dec 02 14:10:28 i optified locale-archive Dec 02 14:24:47 am i a bad enough dude to optify/delete a bit more and then disable the compression? Dec 02 14:38:38 Sorry, what's the package name for the cron-daemon-like replacement for triggering tasks at a specified time? Dec 02 14:39:24 alarme3d Dec 02 14:39:28 -3 Dec 02 17:35:20 kwtm7: alarmd ? Dec 02 17:35:29 oh, late Dec 02 17:46:36 amospalla: alarmed (with 'e') - alarmd is the alarm daemon used by alarmed app Dec 02 17:47:06 ...and a lot of other systems Dec 02 17:47:50 like HAM auto update check, worldclock, modest... Dec 02 17:48:35 this reminds me, is there a way to delete the alarmd entry for the ham autoupdate? Dec 02 17:48:52 kerio: I already told you how to do that Dec 02 17:49:14 check /var/*/*/... Dec 02 17:49:31 yeah but deleting or editing that file just left me with broken alarms until i rebooted Dec 02 17:49:46 and on reboot, the autoupdate entry was still there Dec 02 17:49:49 well, then you messed it up with your edits Dec 02 17:50:53 somebody in here managed to stop modest, incl alarmd Dec 02 17:51:14 moving the .desktop entry did that for me Dec 02 17:51:16 I'd think same procedure would apply to autoupdate accordingly Dec 02 17:52:04 hm, the .desktop doesn't have informations about the autoupdate Dec 02 17:52:10 kerio: just set autoupdate timeout to 9000 days. Dec 02 17:52:12 it's not autostarted by h-d like modest Dec 02 17:52:16 alas there's obviously no alarmd-admin tool Dec 02 17:56:48 DocScrutinizer05: because it's impossible to do considering how alarmd does its thing, or just because nobody know how to make it because alarmd is closed? Dec 02 17:56:54 *knows Dec 02 17:59:01 because nobody installed alarmclient(1) I guess Dec 02 17:59:10 see `alarmd --help` Dec 02 17:59:39 there's alarmd -Xcud and alarmd -Xrfs though Dec 02 18:09:57 http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmtool/ Dec 02 18:10:15 Diablo, LOL Dec 02 18:11:54 F U Nokia, why's that a closed blob? Dec 02 18:12:34 because F U, thats why. Dec 02 18:14:46 DocScrutinizer05, above package is open Dec 02 18:15:00 >> Copyright \(co 2006 Nokia Corporation. This is free software; see /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1 for license conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Dec 02 18:15:23 Pali: so where's the source? Dec 02 18:15:31 repository.maemo.org Dec 02 18:15:51 see Diablo SDK free Dec 02 18:16:04 all free packages are open Dec 02 18:16:15 why isn't it in http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmtool/ anywhere? Dec 02 18:16:40 because package interface is stupid Dec 02 18:16:47 :-S Dec 02 18:16:51 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/ Dec 02 18:17:31 btw, diablo alarmd is incompatible with fremantle Dec 02 18:17:37 Pali: errr, and that's SOURCE? Dec 02 18:17:47 dsc + tar.gz Dec 02 18:18:14 dpkg-source -x *.dsc Dec 02 18:18:19 for unpack Dec 02 18:18:31 o.O Dec 02 18:20:07 Pali: there's no source in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/alarmtool_0.5.20_armel.deb Dec 02 18:20:29 what??? Dec 02 18:20:30 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/alarmd_0.5.20.dsc Dec 02 18:20:35 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/alarmd_0.5.20.tar.gz Dec 02 18:20:52 $ dpkg-source -x alarmd_0.5.20.dsc Dec 02 18:21:00 meh! Dec 02 18:21:15 idiocy Dec 02 18:22:14 Pali: thanks Dec 02 18:22:37 btw that code is incompatible with fremantle Dec 02 18:22:45 got it ported to fremantle? why not? Dec 02 18:23:13 look here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-alarmd Dec 02 18:23:19 it seems the basic API is still same Dec 02 18:23:20 git repository with all alarmd versions Dec 02 18:23:37 I imported all old & new alarmd into git repo Dec 02 18:23:44 nice Dec 02 18:23:46 you can look what was changed Dec 02 18:24:09 alarmtool for fremantle would be mad useful Dec 02 18:24:47 changes shouldn't be a showstopper, seems the basic functionality is unchanged Dec 02 18:25:49 first fremantle version is 1.0.13 Dec 02 18:26:14 there is alarmclient Dec 02 18:26:38 and also alarmtool Dec 02 18:26:42 src/alarmtool.c Dec 02 18:26:44 ...they said, in alarmd --help Dec 02 18:26:56 there is deb package alarmclient Dec 02 18:27:04 sudo apt-get install alarmclient Dec 02 18:27:18 o.O Dec 02 18:27:38 wow Dec 02 18:27:53 dafuq, it's thumb-compiled too Dec 02 18:27:58 Setting up alarmclient (1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0) ... \o/ Dec 02 18:28:46 and for alarmtool see Makefile Dec 02 18:28:46 alarmclient 1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0 -- alarmd test & debugging tool Dec 02 18:28:57 cheers Pali! Dec 02 18:29:28 DocScrutinizer05, there are more open packages which nokia forgot to build/upload to repositories Dec 02 18:29:38 only source code in dsc packages Dec 02 18:29:52 so you need to built it manually in scratchbox SDK Dec 02 18:31:06 alarmclient -L \o/ Dec 02 18:31:19 kerio: now smile! Dec 02 18:32:02 :D Dec 02 18:32:23 dang! using this OS every day for 4(?) years now, and still I learn sth new every other day Dec 02 18:33:17 :-D ->exec_command '/usr/bin/set_next_alarm 34 1 1 ' Dec 02 18:34:51 trigger 1872193500 -> 2029-04-29 23:45:00 wd=Sun tz=CEST dst=Yes (T-5992d3h14m45s) Dec 02 18:34:53 title 'Apophis' Dec 02 18:35:17 dafuq Dec 02 19:00:01 -S[seconds] -- set default snooze \o/ Dec 02 19:01:50 DocScrutinizer05: the remade worldclock has that too Dec 02 19:02:03 yes, I know Dec 02 19:22:07 hmm,in which repo is this alarmclient/alarmtool? Dec 02 19:24:07 Sicelo: cssu Dec 02 19:24:30 oh, i'm on cssu-stable yet Dec 02 19:26:52 *** 1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0 0 Dec 02 19:26:54 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Dec 02 19:32:20 I'll never really wrap my head around that apt-cache line regarding repo Dec 02 19:32:56 how TF is "http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages" linked to CSSU? Dec 02 19:38:45 If I want to watch stuff over samba, what would I use? Dec 02 19:38:58 I just realized the stand on my N900 is perfect for what I intend to do Dec 02 19:42:27 Thx to DocScrutinizer05 and amospalla for answering my question -- my desktop got reconfigured and I didn't receive notification that you were talking to me. Thx. Dec 02 19:44:29 DocScrutinizer05, CSSU stable/testing repo is on http://repository.maemo.org Dec 02 19:45:39 but old debian apt (which is also in mameo) expect that repository can be only mirrored... and you only want to see mirrors.... Dec 02 19:45:55 there was nothing like more repos on same url Dec 02 19:47:14 alarmtool is on cssu-testing then, i suppose. i have done an apt-get update just now, and still can't find it Dec 02 19:53:43 .s/on/in/ Dec 02 19:53:57 DocScrutinizer05: it's because the repo is in http://repository.maemo.org Dec 02 19:58:09 Pali: could we fix apt-get to show a little bit more detailed info? Dec 02 19:58:18 Sicelo900: yes, probably cssu-t repo Dec 02 20:04:03 in sources.list* the info is way better: >> deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free << Dec 02 20:34:29 Hello , if my keyboard slide sensor is broken ( always assume closed ) so backupmenu and u-boot .. Will not work ? Dec 02 20:35:13 kinda, yes Dec 02 20:37:00 you probably should fix your slide-sensor Dec 02 20:37:16 usual problem is a loose magnet Dec 02 20:37:36 loose or already lost Dec 02 20:37:57 relatively simple to fix Dec 02 20:40:28 Well i took to five cell shops and no one know how to fix it and the last one wanted to change the board Dec 02 20:40:34 find the loose magnet (it often sticks to some magnetic surface inside N900 kbd half) or get a small replacement, and fix it to the place where it belongs, using a drop of glue Dec 02 20:41:24 obviously those shops were not really experts, or your problem is kinda unusual Dec 02 20:41:42 I opened it a few time and i think the magnet is there but the sensor under the screen is problem Dec 02 20:42:01 Or maybe i'm wrong Dec 02 20:42:23 easy test: get a good magnet and place it next to "IOP" keys of kbd Dec 02 20:42:39 iirc "IOP" Dec 02 20:42:58 might as well be next to "WER" keys Dec 02 20:43:46 The one you are talking about is above the p letter . A white thing Dec 02 20:43:51 you can tell it detected magnet when it unlocks Dec 02 20:44:45 Thanks for the help i'll try it Dec 02 20:44:51 yw Dec 02 20:46:56 I didn't have a magnet right now but a quick solution was the earphones Dec 02 20:47:21 And yes it worked the light are illuminated for a moment :p Dec 02 20:49:05 so it's a simple lost magnet, and swapping board wouldn't have fixed it ;-P Dec 02 20:49:34 congrats for the excellent shops at your location Dec 02 20:50:10 I would be interested if they still had board stocks Dec 02 20:50:13 they know how to make money - though, not really. AFAIK there *are no* spare boards available for N900 Dec 02 20:50:44 I will fix it but it's gonna cost me half of my N900 price . I bought it for 100 $ early in the summer . Condition was great exept this Dec 02 20:51:06 possibly they already knew about the magnet, planned to replace it and charge you for a board swap Dec 02 20:51:07 in principle they might have one lying around Dec 02 20:54:00 DocScrutinizer05: meh Dec 02 20:54:10 when in doubt between malice and ignorance/stupidity, always bet on the latter Dec 02 20:54:54 myname24: good thinking with the headphones thing Dec 02 20:55:08 and i doubt a tiny magnet + glue will cost you 50$ Dec 02 20:55:50 http://maemo.org/packages/view/qalculate-maemo/ why isn't this the qt-version? Dec 02 21:01:21 The shops here make money from rooting/jailbreaking . Board swapping would be easy solution for them ( cost money more ) Dec 02 21:05:26 there is no screen or tmux package for maemo? Dec 02 21:05:32 kerio: when I have the choice between attributing a stupid behaviour of a sales droid to either greed&cheat or any other rreason, I'll always pick the former Dec 02 21:06:41 NeutrinoPower: tmux is in extras-devel, screen is in fremantle/tools Dec 02 21:07:00 ~pkg Dec 02 21:07:01 i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 02 21:10:13 tmux>screen Dec 02 21:10:59 vi_: no u Dec 02 21:11:05 Anyway tmo has become a trolling place where anyone seeking for real help ( not wazzap or other sh*t ) cannot find it . Dec 02 21:11:27 tmo has always been useless Dec 02 21:12:14 horse shit. Dec 02 21:12:25 there still some cool people on tmo. Dec 02 21:12:34 reinob for example. Dec 02 21:12:56 also, Dec 02 21:12:58 me. Dec 02 21:13:05 ~music Dec 02 21:13:06 extra, extra, read all about it, music is essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil. Dec 02 21:13:21 ~truth Dec 02 21:13:21 somebody said truth was often known as T-theory. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-schema Dec 02 21:13:28 ~tm0 Dec 02 21:13:28 i heard tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans Dec 02 21:17:30 vi_, that T something sounds like propositional logic.... Dec 02 21:18:34 I do not like logic! Dec 02 21:18:44 I hate logic!! Dec 02 21:18:44 tmux is kinda silly for embedded mobile devices, since it is sending keep-alive packets all the time. Which in turn kills your battery in *no* time Dec 02 21:34:03 logic, soundness theory, ... it is only stupid UTF8 symbols.... Dec 02 21:34:58 Pali: i did not realise logic makes you rage. Dec 02 21:39:04 T ⊢ φ ⇔ T ⊨ φ Dec 02 21:39:12 waaaah! Dec 02 21:39:43 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how Pali inserts all those nifty UTF chars Dec 02 21:40:19 afkbbl Dec 02 21:41:17 DocScrutinizer05, you really do not know how to write the most important logic theorem? :D Dec 02 21:42:13 kerio: but I have the extras-devel repo Dec 02 21:42:48 Pali: meh, one of those two arrows isn't that interesting or unexpected Dec 02 21:43:05 the other is kinda neat, i admit :) Dec 02 21:49:44 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Dec 02 21:49:44 luxus: Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.7.0) but 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed Dec 02 21:49:44 E: Broken packages Dec 02 21:50:06 you did dist-upgrade, didn't you Dec 02 21:50:38 kerio, can you proof godel theorems? Dec 02 21:50:38 no Dec 02 21:51:02 now I did apt-get update Dec 02 21:51:04 Pali: not formally enough Dec 02 21:51:15 Pali: i can, if you let me skip a lot of details :3 Dec 02 21:51:27 there are GPG-Errors Dec 02 21:51:31 :D Dec 02 21:55:09 18<28kerio> NeutrinoPower: tmux is in extras-devel, screen is in fremantle/tools Dec 02 21:55:11 wut, nice Dec 02 21:55:24 >COLORS Dec 02 21:55:24 (last time I checked, tmux wasn't anywhere in repos) Dec 02 21:55:30 sorry, my fault Dec 02 21:56:15 pcfe: try setting channellimit better Dec 02 21:56:19 or whatever that setting name was named Dec 02 21:57:02 FIQ: sorry for the noise, was messing with my iptables and IRC bouncer, done now. Dec 02 21:57:46 oh but I was pointing at the excess flood Dec 02 21:58:07 "and IRC bouncer" nvm Dec 02 21:58:15 do apt-get need the GPG-Keys of the repos? Dec 02 21:58:54 excess flood? That should not happen. can you pastebin what my end sent? I'll make it be more silent Dec 02 21:59:27 pcfe: i'm no ircop, I can't see what you've sent to the server... Dec 02 21:59:40 the only thing I see is "[22:55:31] * pcfe har avslutat (Excess Flood)" Dec 02 21:59:40 pcfe: are you using znc? Dec 02 21:59:52 FIQ: Ah, OK. Dec 02 22:00:00 kerio: nope, bip Dec 02 22:00:46 W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 Dec 02 22:01:19 NeutrinoPower: ignore that Dec 02 22:01:25 ok Dec 02 22:02:56 what is the error? http://pastebin.com/gZDSSGLD Dec 02 22:05:21 luxus: Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.7.0) but 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed Dec 02 22:05:58 that error doesn't make any sense for me Dec 02 22:08:22 how do apt-get ignore this ? for pacman I would use "-d" Dec 02 22:08:44 what is luxus? Dec 02 22:09:43 ah, light meter Dec 02 22:09:52 but I want this Dec 02 22:10:02 FIQ: 4.7.0~git is lower than 4.7.0 Dec 02 22:10:16 luxus - Light meter homescreen widget for the N900, can display lux and EV values Dec 02 22:10:24 Corsac: how? Dec 02 22:10:35 because ~ is a special char? Dec 02 22:12:26 kerio: there is no tmux http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=tmux&go=Go Dec 02 22:14:36 kerio: "Edit repository", Distirbution: fremantle; Components: free non-free Dec 02 22:16:28 ~pkg Dec 02 22:16:28 somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 02 22:16:47 http://maemo.org/packages/view/tmux/ Dec 02 22:17:53 [23:12:26] kerio: there is no tmux http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=tmux&go=Go Dec 02 22:18:03 i just installed it Dec 02 22:18:11 as kerio said it was there :p Dec 02 22:19:21 "Couldn't find package tmux" Dec 02 22:19:55 [23:16:47] http://maemo.org/packages/view/tmux/ Dec 02 22:20:51 strange Dec 02 22:21:13 when will be maemo wifi working?? Dec 02 22:21:27 s/wifi/wiki/ Dec 02 22:21:28 Pali meant: when will be maemo wiki working?? Dec 02 22:22:09 NeutrinoPower: well I suppose you haven't enabled devel Dec 02 22:22:53 sure I enabled it and installed qalculate Dec 02 22:39:51 do someone use the kernel-BFS ? is the Brain-Fuck-Scheduler usefull? Dec 02 22:40:16 nope Dec 02 22:45:47 NeutrinoPower: nope Dec 02 22:59:40 qalculate-gtk don't fit on N900 screen Dec 02 22:59:55 :( Dec 02 23:02:53 well, it is rather small... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 03 02:59:59 2012