**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 04 02:59:59 2012 Dec 04 06:04:49 DocScrutinizer05: a physical keyboard is also hardly found on iPhones Dec 04 06:10:20 vi_: After having built one kernel on-device, I know what I'm never going to try doing again. Dec 04 06:11:20 Building small programs? Sure. glibc and larger packages? Nope. Dec 04 06:13:12 … Dec 04 06:13:17 * Luke-Jr notes kernels are small Dec 04 06:15:32 I guess he meant kernel+modules Dec 04 06:15:40 It takes forever to build kernel-power on device! Dec 04 06:17:56 (+ modules) which kinda drove me crazy for some time, during developing hostmode Dec 04 08:38:37 any ideas for someone running *nix with a n900 bootlooping and unable to take flasher commands? Dec 04 08:39:08 read and performed all outlined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Dec 04 08:43:00 http://pastebin.com/z9ri64Wb Dec 04 08:43:24 output from # flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 04 08:43:52 without root the device looks to be discovered but flsah dailes due to permissions Dec 04 08:44:14 flash fails* Dec 04 08:45:31 joshgillies: try moving to a different usb port Dec 04 08:45:40 worked for my n9 Dec 04 08:46:13 on my laptop I have three Dec 04 08:46:17 Ive tried them all Dec 04 08:46:22 will grab another cable Dec 04 08:46:24 sec... Dec 04 08:51:40 no luck :( Dec 04 08:51:44 might be toast Dec 04 08:51:58 does it respond to flasher -i? Dec 04 08:52:27 hrmm Dec 04 08:52:31 lemme see Dec 04 08:52:32 run that, and then plug in your act_dead n900 Dec 04 08:53:00 plug in your phone after, but not before running the command, let the command wait for the phone Dec 04 08:53:28 holding 'u' Dec 04 08:53:30 ? Dec 04 08:53:34 no need Dec 04 08:53:56 does it detect the phone? Dec 04 08:54:11 actually, it looks like it does Dec 04 08:54:19 USB device found found at bus 002, device address 089. Dec 04 08:54:21 Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 Dec 04 08:54:23 NOLO version 1.4.14 Dec 04 08:54:25 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Dec 04 08:54:29 now try typing your flash command Dec 04 08:55:33 seems to fall over after "Booting device into flash mode." Dec 04 08:55:44 you typed -b too? Dec 04 08:56:07 no Dec 04 08:56:10 # flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 04 08:56:28 try flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -b Dec 04 08:56:28 ? Dec 04 08:56:33 sure Dec 04 08:57:26 doesn't seem to make a change Dec 04 08:57:54 sorry, no idea, try flashing from a different machine? Dec 04 09:03:55 hrmmmm Dec 04 09:04:03 maybe I was trying to flash the wrong image?! Dec 04 09:05:29 sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 04 09:05:32 this works Dec 04 09:05:45 where as this `# flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f didn't Dec 04 09:05:54 any ideas? Dec 04 09:06:28 yeah right, boots and everything now... Dec 04 09:06:32 lol?! Dec 04 09:18:00 (( read and performed all outlined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware)) obviously not Dec 04 09:20:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 -> Dec 04 09:20:29 l. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*. Dec 04 09:21:41 (( any ideas?)) yep: read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware, understand the difference between COMBINED and VANILLA Dec 04 09:25:20 Thanks for the heads up DocScrutinizer Dec 04 09:58:57 DocScrutinizer05: what the fuck ugly nick highlighter are you using? Dec 04 09:59:02 ((<_>)) Dec 04 09:59:05 seriously? Dec 04 09:59:35 That looks like a depressed constipated monk, also. Dec 04 10:13:30 hmm? Dec 04 10:17:23 :o Dec 04 10:40:42 joshgillies: 00,01[quote author=joshgillies date=2012-12-04 10:05:54] any ideas? 01 read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Dec 04 10:40:50 how about that? Dec 04 10:42:06 joshgillies: 09,04[quote author=joshgillies date=2012-12-04 10:05:54] any ideas? 01 or that? Dec 04 10:42:17 teotwaki: ^^^ Dec 04 10:42:44 that's no nick highlighter but a quote Dec 04 10:42:51 if yougot a better idea for quotes, you're welcome to suggest it Dec 04 10:44:17 joshgillies: [quote author=joshgillies date=2012-12-04 10:05:54] any ideas?[/quote] or that? Dec 04 10:48:19 Might have a mess with some N900 GPS stuff tonight :) Dec 04 10:48:33 jonwil: ?? Dec 04 10:48:52 reverse engineering the blobs that is Dec 04 10:48:58 ooh Dec 04 10:49:17 you might want to talk to Luke-Jr Dec 04 10:49:38 he did some RE of the protocol at least, iirc Dec 04 10:49:48 I got info on that Dec 04 10:50:19 I have the .h file that contains the structures used in the communication with the cell modem for GPS Dec 04 10:50:27 from some SDK somewhere Dec 04 10:50:28 cool Dec 04 10:51:20 jonwil: there's some piece of sw that might be worth disassembling: the location-pickle eraser Dec 04 10:51:33 What is that for? Dec 04 10:51:51 to reset AGPS' notion of current location Dec 04 10:52:07 which binary is that? Dec 04 10:52:12 mompls Dec 04 10:52:13 or which package? Dec 04 10:54:07 As of right now there are 7 or so binary blobs in use by meego/mer/nemo on N900. Bluetooth/WiFi init bits are replacable thanks to my reverse engineering work. Pulseaudio seems to be being handled. BME is covered thanks to Pali. libcal is covered thanks to freemangordon. Camera can be replaced with FCam. Dec 04 10:54:24 So only GPS and GPU exist as bits that dont have any reeplacements at all Dec 04 10:54:47 and GPU is way out of my league so GPS it is Dec 04 10:56:04 I did spend a bit of time the other day looking into some systemui dbus stuff related to powerkeymenu but didn't get anywhere with that Dec 04 10:56:48 dang, can't find the bookmark Dec 04 10:57:24 I'm rather sure Nokia published it as attachment to a bug ticket Dec 04 10:57:40 it's a diagnostic tool Dec 04 10:57:52 ok Dec 04 10:58:09 bugtracker, some bug about "GPS no fix" Dec 04 10:59:06 it would shed some light on how and where AGPS initial location is stored Dec 04 10:59:38 it's a tiny ARM binary Dec 04 11:02:15 * DocScrutinizer05 mubles a few swearwords about bookmark mess Dec 04 11:03:26 tadaaa! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c35 Dec 04 11:03:28 04Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Dec 04 11:05:21 someone did a GPS decoder that talked more directly to the hw, without lob location Dec 04 11:05:29 Luke-Jr: ? Dec 04 11:14:09 clear-gps-cache Dec 04 11:18:36 well, directly to the preloaded firmware in the cmt Dec 04 11:19:05 i think if you request gnss from location-ui, and have no other gps requesting softwares running, you'd not use the caches Dec 04 11:19:09 thoigh I'm not sure Dec 04 11:19:43 the caches are used to hint the gps, I think Dec 04 11:19:50 to aid in lock Dec 04 11:20:14 oh cool, google supl now has my local new 3g bts Dec 04 11:20:20 took a week or two :-) Dec 04 11:20:42 impressively fast considering I'm in middle of nowhere and probably no android devices pass through here Dec 04 11:20:51 let alone androids with activated gps Dec 04 11:49:12 ShadowJK: how do you tell? Dec 04 11:49:50 I wasn't getting the 6-9km accurate cellbased position before Dec 04 11:49:51 (that the supl has your EnodeB) Dec 04 11:50:08 ahh Dec 04 11:50:19 Usually it went 6-9km first based on cell, and then when gps kicks in it went to 500-50n Dec 04 11:50:38 Like, I wasn't even getting the 600km "middle of finland" thing Dec 04 11:51:00 yeah, I still suspect that supl is *not* used for GPS Dec 04 11:51:33 or maybe sometimes is used in a weird way Dec 04 11:51:54 anyway GSM has its own hidden "supl" Dec 04 11:51:57 I don't think I got any agps data at all either Dec 04 11:52:30 ~gsm-agps Dec 04 11:52:30 i heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Dec 04 11:52:32 Because it started with 0/0 sats everytime, which is worse than it usually is when requesting pure gps Dec 04 11:53:37 But when I switched to gsm from 3g, phone connected to old ancient bts, and then sats changed to 0/12 and 9km estimate appeared Dec 04 11:54:34 * ShadowJK suspects it just looks at CellID and queries supl server with that Dec 04 11:54:37 I still doubt the linux based supl actually propagates thru BB5 to GPS-chip, to help on getting a fix Dec 04 11:55:00 I don't Dec 04 11:55:45 There's significant different in time to fix when using/not using supl, and big difference between broken supl.nokia.com and supl.google.com Dec 04 11:56:24 you ever got a fix in short time without SIM? Dec 04 11:56:55 well, probably supl can't work without SIM ;-P Dec 04 11:57:04 * DocScrutinizer05 <-- needs coffee Dec 04 11:57:27 Well, I got no fast fix with unknown new CellID either, so I imagine without Sim, no CellID would be same as unknown CellID? Dec 04 11:57:39 yep Dec 04 11:59:05 and also don't forget about importance of correct systime when using GPS Dec 04 11:59:14 at least AGPS Dec 04 11:59:14 That map thing in maemo4 agps, was probably replaced by relying on CellID Dec 04 11:59:42 :nod: Dec 04 12:02:13 * ShadowJK puts N800+bluetoothgps, N810 and spare N900 on livingroom table Dec 04 12:02:30 question is, do I ask for agps or gps on N900 Dec 04 12:04:18 gps Dec 04 12:06:14 sirfstar3 fix in 30 secs Dec 04 12:06:28 N900 sees 6 sats, N810 1 Dec 04 12:06:42 ... sirfstar lost lock Dec 04 12:09:07 ok, so that clear-gps-cache binary is basically sending a LS_CLEAR_GPS_DATA_REQ message to the cellmo location server Dec 04 12:09:54 aw, this livingroom table might be too difficult, not even srfstar can get lock Dec 04 12:11:52 Also, fyi, location-proxy (handles talking to supl server) calls a number of functions in liblas Dec 04 12:11:58 including las_supl_server_conf_req Dec 04 12:12:04 las_supl_nw_init_req Dec 04 12:12:16 and some others Dec 04 12:13:47 where do you get the symbols from? Dec 04 12:14:10 These are listed in the imports table for location-proxy :) Dec 04 12:14:37 as for the other LS_CLEAR_GPS_DATA_REQ thing, that came from the pn_location_isi.h file I have Dec 04 12:14:50 I matched up the value of that constant with the binary value in clear-gps-cache Dec 04 12:19:33 (( N900 sees 6 sats, N810 1)) doesn't really mean a thing, see bugtracker ticket I referred to above. "sats seen" means "sats in view, according to supl or cache" aiui Dec 04 12:19:44 but yeah the whole GPS system is a lot more complex than I thought. Dec 04 12:19:46 yes Dec 04 12:19:58 so no I cant reverse engineer it Dec 04 12:20:06 N900 probably had some cache Dec 04 12:20:19 it only has one sat with more than 6 as signal Dec 04 12:22:14 biggest problem with reverse engineering GPS is total lack of understanding of libisi (which has been frustrating me pretty much ever since I first started N900 reverse engineering) Dec 04 12:23:38 is that the closed prototype of what eventually became isimodem in oFono? Dec 04 12:23:56 its what the N900 cellular services daemon uses for talking to the modem Dec 04 12:25:12 * ShadowJK moves devices closer to the side of table closest to a window Dec 04 12:25:28 jonwil: aiui libisi 'downward' interface is to phonet and you can spy it with wireshark Dec 04 12:25:36 yes that I know Dec 04 12:25:49 I have the pn_location_isi.h file that describes the actual packets for GPS Dec 04 12:26:17 but what I dont have (and want) is the specs for the libisi api calls Dec 04 12:27:15 If I had that, it would make reverse engineering the next layer parts of the cell stack (e.g. liblas, libsms etc etc) much easier Dec 04 12:27:22 i.e. libisi-dev is what I wish I had :) Dec 04 12:34:21 DocScrutinizer05: cat /sys/power/idcode Prod id: ...cafeb7ae Dec 04 12:37:40 so it's still ES3.1 Dec 04 12:37:57 spoofy: mhm. thanks Dec 04 12:38:24 could you post the full 4 lines? Dec 04 12:38:46 uh.. ok. But I have a clean os without ssh Dec 04 12:39:05 Prod id is the same Dec 04 12:39:07 err 3 Dec 04 12:39:12 I'll write a die id Dec 04 12:39:39 0f01d006 04038269 00000000 192e0004 Dec 04 12:39:55 0c004012 040364fb 00000000 44f60004 Dec 04 12:40:07 so? :) Dec 04 12:40:14 no idea :-) Dec 04 12:40:58 I guess it can get dissected by using some info from TRM Dec 04 12:41:31 mask stepping? 0f01 vs 0c00? Dec 04 12:43:10 hmm Dec 04 12:46:20 hm.. weird, my android tblet claims to see satellites 71, 78 and 85 Dec 04 12:46:53 so yeah figuring out anything more about GPS or powervr or other closed bits isn't going to happen :P Dec 04 12:47:07 run out of closed bits I can actually usefully reverse engineer :) Dec 04 12:49:15 jonwil: GPS is unfortunately closed because it touches the cellular modem. Dec 04 12:49:44 yeah and Nokia didn't want to document the interface to the cellular modem Dec 04 12:49:53 everything touching the cellmo has vanishingly rare documentation, unforunately. Dec 04 12:50:08 except that of course they later documented some bits of it in ofono Dec 04 12:52:54 who did the 'direct' comms to GPS I was thinking of? Dec 04 12:53:15 I think luke worked on it at some point? Dec 04 12:53:24 might've been on n810, not sure Dec 04 12:57:01 n810 GPS was totally different to N900 Dec 04 12:57:53 Is blessn900 totally broken with more revent kernels (eg cssu-t) ? Dec 04 12:59:37 there's a frggin lot of documentation about phonet/isi Dec 04 13:00:09 the protocols yes Dec 04 13:00:15 yep Dec 04 13:00:19 but the actual interfaces for the different bits of the modem no Dec 04 13:00:27 hmm Dec 04 13:02:07 Oh! my tablet is seeing glonass satellites Dec 04 13:02:27 Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip Dec 04 13:03:02 joshgillies: seems to work for me Dec 04 13:03:08 some bits and pieces are out there but lots of it isn't, i.e. some of whats out there (including that zip) doesn't 100% match the n900 modem Dec 04 13:03:14 but it crashes if I take more than a few pictures :( Dec 04 13:03:28 with cssu-t Dec 04 13:05:47 I'd noticed that in precious testing, now after a fesh flash it wont load at all and cssu-camera-ui doesn't seem to work either... Dec 04 13:06:02 Anyone know of an issue tracker somewhere I can peer through? Dec 04 13:07:13 >>Feb 11 01:02:16 Wireless Modem API - another nice way to lose your mind<< Dec 04 13:09:02 cssu-t has no impact on kernel Dec 04 13:09:13 jon_y: joshgillies: ^^^ Dec 04 13:10:59 the stock camera app starts fine for me Dec 04 13:11:14 I've even taken a few pictures last week end Dec 04 13:11:20 and I'd not see any other reason why cssu would make blessn900 segfault Dec 04 13:12:04 well, maybe blessn900 and cssu-t's nicocam conflict in some way Dec 04 13:12:23 I dunno, it works fine for a few pictures and exits suddenly after that Dec 04 13:12:35 stock camera app works perfectly Dec 04 13:12:41 though afaik nicocam shouldn't change anything of the bits that are used by blessn900 Dec 04 13:13:02 I don't have nicocam installed, only blessn900 Dec 04 13:13:31 jon_y: I understood you got cssu-t? Dec 04 13:14:10 yes Dec 04 13:14:39 so you most probably don't have stock camera anymore Dec 04 13:14:57 well, whatever that took over the stock camera app, it works Dec 04 13:15:24 nobody claimed anything different Dec 04 13:16:15 is cssu-camera-ui the stock camera app replacement? Dec 04 13:16:27 it's nicocam Dec 04 13:16:45 nicocam replaced stock camera app? Dec 04 13:16:56 yes Dec 04 13:17:03 in cssu-t, sadly Dec 04 13:17:07 ok, nicocam works totally fine Dec 04 13:17:23 except when it doesn't Dec 04 13:17:53 but well, *usually* it's working Dec 04 13:18:33 nevertheless it might conflict with blessn900, at least in theory Dec 04 13:20:22 my main concern about nicocam though is that it's not optional Dec 04 13:22:27 does nicocam still show as "Camera" in the app menu? Dec 04 13:22:42 probably Dec 04 14:45:23 hi Dec 04 14:48:58 Another pair of headphones died :( Now I am sick of it! Planning to buy some BT headphone. Anybody here has some knowledge abt wireless headphones? Dec 04 14:49:28 Not the kind you could use for cellphones. Dec 04 14:50:49 Actually what kind are you looking for? Dec 04 14:51:32 if those damned jack plugs never broke the headphone producers would run out of business surely Dec 04 14:51:34 Ones that work out of the box with natural sound, I don't like bass-boosted headphones Dec 04 14:52:01 Yes, but I meant what kind of construction.. :P Dec 04 14:52:18 Aoyagi_joytop: I have no idea Dec 04 14:52:41 well, then my recommendation goes in this direction > http://www.sennheiserusa.com/bluetooth-stereo-headphones-wireless-headphones-noise-cancelling Dec 04 14:53:44 -IF- you want BT anyway. Dec 04 14:54:09 Aoyagi_joytop: right now I have the klipsch image s4 (in-ear) wired, sounded beautiful but the left side failed due some invisible cable-fracture, I guess Dec 04 14:54:48 Yeah, I'm unaware of any in-canal wireless headphones :D Dec 04 14:55:46 Well I am just sick of those cable-fractures so I want to go wireless instead :) Dec 04 14:57:28 Then you'll have to get something larger, because even the (crappy) wireless in-ear headphones I've found so far do have some cable on them. Dec 04 14:57:45 'sides, my cables have never broken ^^ Dec 04 14:58:17 An I ride over some of them with my chair on regular basis... Dec 04 14:59:03 Aoyagi_joytop: those sennheiser you showed me, still have cables? Dec 04 14:59:17 No, those aren't in-ear. Dec 04 14:59:32 ah I don't need in-ear Dec 04 14:59:50 but I don't want them to be too big tho Dec 04 15:00:20 Well, the MM 100 looks small enoughl. Dec 04 15:00:23 enough* Dec 04 15:00:36 https://sc.sbcommerce.nl/prodimg/images32/SH_MM100_5_OF.jpg Dec 04 15:01:34 actually the 400 line is small too Dec 04 15:01:45 Even a bit bigger is fine too Dec 04 15:02:24 oh and remember I am a price/quality seeker ;p Dec 04 15:02:41 Huh. I just seek quality :D Dec 04 15:03:24 http://media.t3.com/img/resized/se/xl_Sennheiser_MM450_Travel_624.jpg how's that size Dec 04 15:03:57 according to T3.com, it's the best BT headset money can buy. Dec 04 15:04:11 £350 Dec 04 15:04:48 huh, a lot cheaper from what I see on Amazon :D Dec 04 15:05:11 Normally I do, but since im studying money is getting a bit less available :p Dec 04 15:05:19 $250-ish Dec 04 15:05:42 I really have to watch my expenses Dec 04 15:06:13 Was more looking at the range of 150, actually Dec 04 15:06:19 Well, the MM100 are for that Dec 04 15:06:22 $150 Dec 04 15:08:14 Or you can go to Radioshack (whatevs) and see what you like personally :P Dec 04 15:08:19 Do you anything about Creative Wp-350? Dec 04 15:08:53 Aoyagi_joytop: I seriously dont care what brand, as long its good for the price I pay ;) Dec 04 15:09:09 if you seek quality, use AKG Dec 04 15:10:00 MrPingu_TUD: I've had the chance to listen to only two (larger) Creatuve headsets and those were mildly bass-boosted, otherwise not bad. Dec 04 15:11:11 Aoyagi_joytop: Thanks, I will keep that in mind :) Dec 04 15:11:55 Lava_Croft: Thanks just see the AKG K 830 BT in my list here... Dec 04 15:12:13 Same price as sennheiser MM100 Dec 04 15:12:13 AKG has better price/quality than Sennheiser, in my experience Dec 04 15:12:27 orly Dec 04 15:12:57 I guess it's a lot of personal preference too, since Sennheiser certainly isn't crap Dec 04 15:13:15 AKG juts sounds better to me Dec 04 15:13:19 just* Dec 04 15:13:30 Yeah, Senns sound too "flat" to most people :/ Dec 04 15:13:34 Not sure if they have BT headsets at all tho Dec 04 15:14:01 I think I saw one of their crazy design heavy headphones lying on a recharger somewhere. Dec 04 15:14:13 I use cheap 50euro buds from AKG, since while on the road, i basically burn through a set of earbuds every year Dec 04 15:14:20 Where to read "good" reviews about headphones? Dec 04 15:14:22 If not more Dec 04 15:14:31 MrPingu_TUD: Test yourself:) Dec 04 15:14:40 Yeah, that :D Dec 04 15:14:42 In my experience, reviews arent very handy with it Dec 04 15:14:43 the phrase "cheap 50€" amuses me a bit :P Dec 04 15:14:48 but I'm leaving in a cheap country Dec 04 15:14:57 It's not like computer graphics, where you can easily see a screenshot of a game and say "that looks awful" Dec 04 15:15:03 tadzik: heh Dec 04 15:15:24 Wait, you're using headphones while driving? Dec 04 15:15:38 i use headphones on scooter/bicycle Dec 04 15:15:42 or while walking Dec 04 15:15:50 Aoyagi_joytop: No, I dont have driving license :P Dec 04 15:15:55 im special, headphones have been fixed to my head since i was a kid Dec 04 15:16:20 I use them when I am in train, bus or walking from train to bus :P Dec 04 15:16:27 I'm pretty sure there's a law against using headphones and participating in traffic :P Dec 04 15:16:30 i basically use them whenever i leave the house on my own Dec 04 15:16:38 Aoyagi_joytop: not over here:) Dec 04 15:16:55 When I was a kid, my mother always tried to prohibit me from using them in traffic Dec 04 15:17:09 now my mother is 60y+ and she uses her iphone+earbuds all the time while cycling Dec 04 15:17:09 Where's over here? Dec 04 15:17:14 The Netherlands Dec 04 15:17:17 Oh. Dec 04 15:17:28 talk about cycling laws in Netherlands (: Dec 04 15:17:52 You know whats the worst thing these days? Dec 04 15:17:57 People using their mobile device while cycling Dec 04 15:17:57 Lava_Croft: You are dutchie? Dec 04 15:18:05 they just look at the screen and drive, its scary Dec 04 15:18:09 Well I was forced to throw an egg at this idiot who was driving with some headphones and didn't hear the ambulance behind him :D Dec 04 15:18:10 MrPingu_TUD: yes Dec 04 15:18:25 Lava_Croft: me too :P Dec 04 15:18:44 Aoyagi_joytop: lol Dec 04 15:18:45 If you meet someone on the internet and it's not a Finn, Pole or American, it's a safe bet that it's a Dutchie Dec 04 15:19:06 xD Dec 04 15:19:25 How dare you forget Swedish master race! :3 Dec 04 15:19:47 Hmmm I am reading about a2dp that's not so great :( Dec 04 15:20:12 Would one notice on 320k mp3 directly ripped from original source? Dec 04 15:20:27 That depends on one's trained ear. Dec 04 15:20:55 Aoyagi_joytop: I am normal user, not trained I think Dec 04 15:21:01 Some people can't tell 128 from 320 no matter what are they using to listen with :P Dec 04 15:21:16 However I do hear the difference between mp3 and my flac Dec 04 15:21:41 of course you do Dec 04 15:21:44 mp3 is all crackly Dec 04 15:21:50 a friend of mine teaches music at a local college Dec 04 15:21:57 he had a test with his students, about sound quality Dec 04 15:22:06 the difference between a V0 mp3 and a flac can only be heard with a good audio system though Dec 04 15:22:13 all of his students thought the flac sounded wrong, because it had no 'crackling' like mp3's do Dec 04 15:22:19 kerio: My dad has ^^ Dec 04 15:23:16 But my question still stands... Dec 04 15:23:25 Is a2dp really that bad? Dec 04 15:23:25 the difference between a CBR mp3 and a flac... meh Dec 04 15:23:40 Well I don't trust BT in general :D Dec 04 15:23:42 MrPingu_TUD: a2dp in a silent room with high-end a2dp headphones (lol wtf) is bad Dec 04 15:24:06 a2dp while walking on the side of a road is probably as good as a gold-plated cable in the same condition Dec 04 15:24:09 kerio: the train and bus aren't silent rooms, to me Dec 04 15:24:13 indeed :) Dec 04 15:24:34 Well, I'm gone, later. Dec 04 15:24:46 Aoyagi_joytop: thanks, bye! Dec 04 15:26:07 wait, what? there's no way to distinguish between a CBR128 mp3 and a CBR320 mp3 when you're hearing through a walkie talkie Dec 04 15:26:18 oh, some people *can't* Dec 04 15:26:19 i see Dec 04 15:32:46 Another one, how well goes browsing via wifi + BT headphones, given they both use the same piece of HW Dec 04 15:33:14 MrPingu_TUD: forget about it Dec 04 15:33:41 kerio: in what wya? Dec 04 15:33:45 *way Dec 04 15:33:57 MrPingu_TUD: bluetooth *and* wifi is a nope Dec 04 15:34:46 :( Dec 04 16:18:06 kerio: check your account! Dec 04 16:18:18 DocScrutinizer05: dude, they had to ask me first :) Dec 04 16:40:36 my phone was 4 seconds behind the right time Dec 04 16:40:37 wtf Dec 04 17:24:15 kerio: well, feell happy then that you've been online Dec 04 17:24:24 i'm happy :3 Dec 04 17:25:38 I had cloaks I had 4 weeks of coordination headache until they were set Dec 04 17:28:46 why is it Maemo in caps, btw? Dec 04 17:30:09 Maemo is Maemo maemo.org is maemo.org Dec 04 17:49:11 GeneralAntilles: ??? Dec 04 18:26:44 ~ping Dec 04 18:26:45 ~pong Dec 04 19:10:31 ~ping Dec 04 19:10:32 ~pong Dec 04 20:50:08 hi, do someone use qtirreco? it cannot download the remote-database and I don't understand the workaround: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1143948&postcount=585 "You can install the deb with dpkg --unpack qtirreco_fix.deb" but were is the .deb-file? Dec 04 20:50:31 NeutrinoPower: pierogi Dec 04 20:50:53 ok, I will try it Dec 04 21:07:48 hey doods Dec 04 21:08:22 pierogi is awesome! but I clicked on "Advanced Settings" and can't exit from this, after restart of this applications only this tab appears ... Dec 04 21:09:31 ah, it is back Dec 04 21:15:53 vi_: oh you Dec 04 21:27:58 Is there a way, from the command line, to get an N900 to print out the full list of phone contacts as a comma separated list? Dec 04 21:32:14 Ken-Young: not an easy way if that is what you mean. Dec 04 21:32:45 You can access the phone book via dbus if you install an extra package. Dec 04 21:32:59 or you could try dumping the database. Dec 04 21:33:43 vi_ OK, thanks Dec 04 21:39:36 isn't it an evolution-data-server thing? Dec 04 21:40:37 kerio, Who are you asking? Dec 04 21:40:49 everyone Dec 04 21:56:23 * ShadowJK should try find way to record ir signals sent by his stuff Dec 04 23:43:42 is it possible to add the opus audio-codec to maemo media-player (gstreamer?)? Dec 04 23:44:58 ah http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87610 Dec 04 23:48:52 http://dummdida.blogspot.de/2012/09/opus-nowsoon-in-gstreamer-plugins-bad.html Dec 05 01:33:50 Hello. Dec 05 01:36:55 Scratchbox seems dead. What should I use to build some software? Dec 05 01:49:06 Also. By any chance can I use Debian lenny repos in maemo? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:59 2012