**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 08 02:59:59 2012 Dec 08 06:19:41 Met someone who worked at Nokia, the other day. I asked him if the N900 had any future at Nokia. Dec 08 06:20:37 He said there was something even better than the N900 now, and that was the N920. Then he tried to sell me on how WinPhone8 was better, and how he actually owned a N800 and N900 and hated them, and how he likes the N920 better than his Android phone that he'd been using. Dec 08 06:21:20 I guess each to his/her own. Dec 08 06:59:01 are you sure he didn't work in marketing Dec 08 07:12:07 N920? Dec 08 07:12:20 wasn't that maybe Lumia 920? Dec 08 10:31:10 my friend once showed me lumia 800 (I think? or 800-something) enthusiastically but in about 30 seconds into his speech it was obvious it was just a toy Dec 08 10:35:28 breaking news: smartphones are (mostly) toys :) Dec 08 10:35:43 Lumia 800 is a 1:1 scale model of a smartphone Dec 08 10:36:05 It is purely decorational and has no moving parts, so to say Dec 08 10:36:28 what defines a smartphone anyway? It's like a regular phone, but has installable apps? Dec 08 10:36:56 It is a phone for which you can develop and install apps Dec 08 10:37:25 A phone that just has apps but does not let you develop and install third party ones is known as a feature phone Dec 08 10:37:33 well, you could do that for the old nokias with Java capabilities too Dec 08 10:37:55 WP7-based phones are basically feature phones because developing apps for them is made very very difficult Dec 08 10:38:08 wikipedia says "A smartphone is a mobile phone built on a mobile operating system, with more advanced computing capability and connectivity than a feature phone" Dec 08 10:38:10 MIDP you mean? Dec 08 10:38:25 Wikipedia is vague and there is a good reason Dec 08 10:38:54 I have a feeling this definitions are mostly fluid, and for a reason Dec 08 10:38:56 People have many different definitions of a smart phone, and Wiki used a vague definition that would satisfy everyone Dec 08 10:39:06 all the -phone prefixes are mostly marketing BS Dec 08 10:39:14 see also: ultrabook Dec 08 10:39:27 But if you go with the most concrete definition that still staisfies most people, see my definition above Dec 08 10:39:41 Ultrabook is a marketing term, not a device class Dec 08 10:40:44 that's my point. You see people claiming that Lumia's not a smartphone, I can't help but wonder if they're just hardcore maemo fans which hate everything nokia comes up with Dec 08 10:40:52 no offense for anyone Dec 08 10:41:02 Well, let us look at the facts Dec 08 10:41:22 Lumia does not let you use its disk as file storage Dec 08 10:41:26 to get the most similar device as a comparison, how is it worse than an iPhone? Dec 08 10:41:31 Lumia does not let you run native code Dec 08 10:41:56 (ok, I'm listening) Dec 08 10:42:22 Lumia only lets you run specially written C# code and only if MSapproves your app andyou pay $99 a year to be in their store Dec 08 10:42:43 Lumia has no real video player app. It has no web browser other than IE. Dec 08 10:42:59 The game selection is very limited (see above about native code and C#) Dec 08 10:43:26 So, tell are you still willing to call it a smart phone? Dec 08 10:44:15 so what you really mean is that the platform is possibly more closed than the Apple thing, which is a valid point Dec 08 10:44:28 also I think lumia doesn't allow for background network connectivity, but IÍ„'m not sure if that's still a problem with the recent models Dec 08 10:44:30 I guess I can understand that Dec 08 10:49:24 (smartphone) an invention of marketing droids to sell their newest embedded stuff Dec 08 10:50:39 I for one don't give a flying F* about what marketing department tags my dream device, I got a list of capabilities and properties such dream device has to meet, and then it's "just smart enough for me" Dec 08 10:52:07 funny example to make it more clear: a friend of mine looked at my N900, frowned, and asked me if I wouldn't finally want to get a smartphone instead Dec 08 10:53:20 he's been a real computer illiterate, even with windoze, so it's not been geek sarcasm Dec 08 10:53:36 heh Dec 08 10:54:13 obviously his definition of smartphone didn't meet what the N900 exposed to him Dec 08 10:59:34 I was recently asked to give my opinion in a survey of qwerty smartphones for a magazine, I tried to explain why I wouldn't have any use for an iphone or such and am still waiting for something that would challenge the n900 Dec 08 11:10:24 as in "being real, open linux thing?" Dec 08 11:10:36 that would be nice Dec 08 11:17:50 tadzik yeah, and with a keyboard Dec 08 11:18:42 oh, that's an implementation detail :) Dec 08 11:42:58 n900 is hardly 'real' linux or 'open' linux Dec 08 11:43:01 but awesome nontheless Dec 08 11:43:34 well, it's closer than anything else I guess Dec 08 11:43:41 true Dec 08 11:50:11 maybe gnu/linux like is what you mean? Dec 08 11:50:36 with gnu like binaries, X display ... Dec 08 11:51:37 i mean more like how the n900 is ridden with closed packages Dec 08 12:05:06 another laptop battery bites the dust Dec 08 12:11:16 * ShadowJK disassembled a 8 cell laptop battery last week and found 2 good cells and 2 completely dead cells Dec 08 13:44:11 * jonwil wishes there was something he could do for N900 :( Dec 08 13:44:35 Is it dying or you wish you had one? Dec 08 13:45:18 I mean I wish there was something I could do code wise to benefit the N900 community Dec 08 13:45:23 but all the ideas I have turn out to be too hard Dec 08 13:45:36 My N900 is working just fine :) Dec 08 13:45:59 Oh, I haven't thought of that :D Dec 08 13:48:09 finding something useful to do is hard Dec 08 14:07:29 jonwil, you can test rewritten battery status menu applet if anything working without problem Dec 08 14:07:57 this is easy, just install and look if it working... Dec 08 14:14:37 does h-e-n allows us to use keyboard? and is that usable with easy debian? Dec 08 14:33:59 i think there are some keyboard layout issues, but yes Dec 08 14:42:53 how it works in maemo that my position upon network or GPS data was written in IM status? e.g. in Skype. I am looking for something like this on Android - but can not find anything. Dec 08 14:54:56 hey!! is it possibl to use n8 otg cable for hen? Dec 08 14:55:56 yes, if you file the edges Dec 08 14:57:25 and is it possibl to use keyboard with it on easy debian????!! Dec 08 14:58:04 iirc, yes. at least keyboard works in maemo.. so it should work in easy deb too Dec 08 14:59:51 thank you :) and do all the keys work including symbol?? Dec 08 15:03:47 yes. use the easy debian thread on tmo Dec 08 16:24:27 what to do with my old nokia n900? Has it some value still? Dec 08 16:24:34 markinfo: idk, use it Dec 08 16:24:56 markinfo: you selling it? if so how much? Dec 08 16:25:04 it is to slow. And display too small. Dec 08 16:25:27 well clearly the second problem is not fixable Dec 08 16:25:32 how much ram it have? Dec 08 16:25:32 so sell it Dec 08 16:26:01 i have bought it 2 years ago for 170€ Dec 08 16:26:09 ccssnet: 256mb Dec 08 16:26:14 and yes, that's the bottleneck Dec 08 16:26:27 markinfo: what's its condition? Dec 08 16:26:28 yea nevermind Dec 08 16:26:39 my cheap 60$ tablet has 512mb... Dec 08 16:26:54 your cheap 60$ tablet doesn't have apt-get Dec 08 16:27:02 eh. it can Dec 08 16:27:02 lol Dec 08 16:27:16 besides id rather compile myself Dec 08 16:27:29 otherwise - after one week to working with android - maemo was better. Dec 08 16:27:56 markinfo: have you tried cssu-thumb, btw? Dec 08 16:28:52 kerio, you mean that one? http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU i managed to save now all data - i can try to flash CSSU Dec 08 16:29:02 markinfo: no, i meant cssu-thumb Dec 08 16:29:17 the CSSU spinoff that recompiles some things with a smaller instruction set and with a better compiler Dec 08 16:29:20 csi-ny Dec 08 16:29:30 csi spinoff Dec 08 16:29:35 * ccssnet runs off Dec 08 17:53:23 HI guys ,how can i check in terminal (possibly with minicom) the state of my GPS device ? Dec 08 17:53:38 I see bilink satlink icon while i start GPS software Dec 08 17:53:53 But it still blinking without any data received Dec 08 17:57:16 The Maps app treats gps bad Dec 08 17:57:26 have gpsjinni running too Dec 08 17:57:30 or location-test-ui Dec 08 18:32:44 Maybe i do something wrong , but i only have statistic numbers scrolling on the sceen Dec 08 18:32:46 *screen Dec 08 18:33:04 Also, satillites in view: 5, in use: 0 Dec 08 18:33:22 Also i receive Mobile Country Code GSM: 255 Dec 08 18:33:36 Anything i can check more ? Dec 08 18:34:53 strongest signal of those sats? Dec 08 18:35:09 Where can i check it ? Dec 08 18:35:24 "Sats" in location-test-ui Dec 08 18:35:39 "log win" and it stops scrolling the numbers Dec 08 18:35:52 Satellites: 0/5 Dec 08 18:36:47 What does mean log win ? i don't see anything related Dec 08 18:37:45 What software are you using? Dec 08 18:38:46 Location test Dec 08 18:39:58 so it has buttons Method, Interval / Start, Stop, Map, Sats / textbox with data, clear win, log win, log file Dec 08 18:40:10 Sats shows signals Dec 08 18:41:21 I only have Method: User Selected , Interval: Default, Start, Stop, Map Dec 08 18:42:01 Weird Dec 08 18:43:09 Maybe i can connect to in via minicom serial port ? Dec 08 18:44:28 that's not going to help Dec 08 18:44:41 gpsrecord also shows satellite signal strength Dec 08 18:44:44 you can't change Method? Dec 08 18:45:55 I can Dec 08 18:46:00 I choose AGPS for now Dec 08 18:46:10 AGNSS actually Dec 08 18:46:25 If i start it in room, it shows me some data Dec 08 18:46:33 But it doesn't change/rotate it Dec 08 18:47:10 When i go to outside, i can see it freqently changes, but it still Sats in view: 3...8 and in use:0 Dec 08 18:47:27 Maybe it has to be online for a 15min for the first time ? Dec 08 18:47:27 You probably wont get gps signal indoors, except if you are near a window, and can see the sky from the window, and that part of sky has gps satellites in it Dec 08 18:47:46 Yes, i know how to use GPS, and it's basics Dec 08 18:48:21 gpsrecord and gpsjinni would show signal strengths, I dont know why your location-test-ui does not Dec 08 18:48:28 I test the dynamic during inside, and outside Dec 08 18:48:46 I have no idea, will leave it for 15 min onlince over the window Dec 08 18:48:57 yes, gps can take a long time on any device Dec 08 18:49:02 If it's not get connected , will try jpsjinni Dec 08 18:51:12 XATRIX: do you have a network connection at the moment? Dec 08 18:51:16 this is what location test looks like to me: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/locationtest.png Dec 08 18:51:36 Sats button shows signal strength Dec 08 18:51:50 i prefer gpsrecorder, it syncs the clock to the gps time too Dec 08 18:52:31 Nicest thing about location-test-ui is that it does what you tell it Dec 08 18:52:40 ShadowJK: where's location-test-ui, btw? Dec 08 18:52:46 apt-cache can't find it Dec 08 18:52:49 probably tools repo Dec 08 18:52:53 i have that Dec 08 18:53:09 oh, location-test-gui Dec 08 18:55:38 Crap, i have the interface but without right checkboxes Dec 08 18:55:44 Just a plain log windows Dec 08 18:55:47 *window Dec 08 18:56:23 gpsrecord shows signal too Dec 08 18:56:26 you can run both Dec 08 18:56:29 Also, what addr are you using for AGPS server ? Dec 08 18:56:35 XATRIX: supl.google.com Dec 08 18:56:40 I just want to know if you're getting any signal at all Dec 08 18:56:46 Yea,i heard about this one Dec 08 18:56:52 i have currently supl.nokia.com Dec 08 18:57:22 Shadown, in abotu 10 minutes, if it won't lock, i will install gpsrecord Dec 08 18:57:54 Oop,s ShadowJK :) Dec 08 19:00:14 supl.nokia.com is bad Dec 08 19:01:34 Sure it is :) Dec 08 19:07:25 Also, can i install mozilla firefox on N900 ? Dec 08 19:08:19 fennec... whether it's useable is a different question. Dec 08 19:08:30 XATRIX: there's firefox fennec, but it's only barely usable if you install cssu thumb Dec 08 19:09:09 But as long as i know, fennec isn't exactly firefox Dec 08 19:14:18 well, everything else (e. g. iceweasel in combination) with debian seems to be more pain than gain in the end. Basically it most likely is endless sluggish and no fun to use... Dec 08 19:32:07 Alright, seems like the GPS is working for me now Dec 08 19:32:46 Looks like it was a problem of outdated journal Dec 08 19:33:32 hi, ive managed to totally trash the emmc on my n900. ive tried flashing using flasher 3.12 on snow leopard but i am having no luck whatsoever. Dec 08 19:33:47 can anyone offer any tips? Dec 08 19:37:37 Also i found a strange sit Dec 08 19:37:43 I have disable TV out Dec 08 19:38:09 But as long as i connect my device via 3 wired TV cable, i still see picture of my desktop and can work with Dec 08 19:47:11 XATRIX: where did you disable it? Dec 08 19:48:55 HRH_H_Crab: mac has flasher 3.12? afaik we use flasher-3.5 with the N900. did you follow the steps given on the wiki? iirc if you have to flash emmc, you will also have to flash rootfs, or sth. like that Dec 08 19:51:11 btw, what is wrong with your emmc? Dec 08 19:51:13 Sicelo: Main menu - >System - >Settings - >TV out Dec 08 19:51:17 HRH_H_Crab: you need flasher-3.5 Dec 08 19:51:33 XATRIX: the tv out applet is somewhat faulty Dec 08 19:51:33 XATRIX: i don't have a disable there. Dec 08 19:51:38 XATRIX: enable it and disable it Dec 08 19:51:40 Sicelo: a cssu thing Dec 08 19:51:50 :) still have video :) Dec 08 19:51:51 Sicelo: flasher-3.12 is for the n9 Dec 08 19:51:55 heh, i'm on ccsu Dec 08 19:51:59 XATRIX: weird Dec 08 19:52:02 stable Dec 08 20:09:23 hi Dec 08 20:09:31 ihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1302591#post1302591 Dec 08 20:09:42 lumia 800 vs n900 ? Dec 08 20:09:44 your url upsets me :c Dec 08 20:10:00 ok sorry Dec 08 20:10:08 then i will shut up Dec 08 20:10:19 aww, don't be like that :( Dec 08 20:10:28 it's almost perfect! Dec 08 20:10:35 :) Dec 08 20:10:41 except for the fact that it's spam Dec 08 20:10:50 and that you're better off selling the lumia on ebay and buying two n900s Dec 08 20:11:34 asked today how the pawnshop will take it Dec 08 20:11:38 100/200eur Dec 08 20:11:48 that's why i said sell on ebay :) Dec 08 20:11:52 that's the price of used n900 Dec 08 20:12:55 found one currently on sale on ebay Dec 08 20:13:05 http://cgi.ebay.fr/Nokia-Lumia-800-Neuf-Garanti-/140893172025?pt=FR_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9phones_mobiles&hash=item20cde33139#ht_500wt_1290 Dec 08 20:13:14 175 eur now Dec 08 20:33:06 Also how can i check my proximity sensor Dec 08 20:33:08 ? Dec 08 22:06:47 IroN900:/home/user# find /sys -name '*prox*' Dec 08 22:07:39 IroN900:/home/user# cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state Dec 08 22:07:41 open Dec 08 22:08:13 XATRIX: ^^^ Dec 08 22:29:30 ) Dec 08 23:01:01 Yea, the proximity sensor works as a charm Dec 08 23:01:08 But what is it for ? Dec 08 23:01:51 in the N900? Dec 08 23:02:16 isnt it for the phone app to know when you have it to your ear? Dec 08 23:02:25 that's one use Dec 08 23:02:41 And how can i check it does what it should ? Dec 08 23:03:04 I tried to place a finger on it, and tap some buttons on the scree. It still functional Dec 08 23:06:24 The phone app will blank the screen when the proximity sensor fires (at least it always does for me), so if there are buttons still visible, it's probably not detecting anything. Dec 08 23:08:39 (Blocking it with a finger also works for me, at least as seen by a "while sleep 1; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state; done" loop.) Dec 08 23:14:10 It's only used when you get a call or are on a call Dec 08 23:14:21 Some apps use it as an extra button Dec 08 23:29:36 it blanks screen when dialer on top Dec 08 23:30:08 actually, when call established Dec 08 23:30:43 only when not in pseakerphone mode Dec 08 23:30:51 speaker* Dec 08 23:30:52 and is the silencing of ringing done using proximity sensor or using accelerometer? Dec 08 23:31:06 accel Dec 08 23:31:10 I didn't know there was silencing of ringing Dec 08 23:31:11 face-down Dec 08 23:31:31 ShadowJK: just return your phone when it rings :) Dec 08 23:31:37 it's pretty useful actually Dec 08 23:32:52 in Samsung Omnia this same system caused dropouts in mp3 playback when phone in pocket while walking :-/ Dec 08 23:33:06 silly bug Dec 08 23:33:20 haha Dec 08 23:36:13 (ringing) I however would hope that during ringing it also locks screen as long as proxim sensor closed - so you can't accidentally accept/reject a call while phone still in pocket Dec 08 23:36:48 never tested it, but since that never happened to me, I'd guess it already does Dec 08 23:37:48 yeah Dec 08 23:38:07 tested it now, exactly as it's supposed to work Dec 08 23:39:08 no surprise since it's the very same dialer screen you see also during call-established Dec 08 23:39:20 I wish it could tell difference between phone in pocket, and stupid user like me holding the phone so that the prox sensor is covered :s Dec 08 23:40:03 umm, can't you check where's your fingers when phone starts ringing? Dec 08 23:40:22 just like I did, a minute ago Dec 08 23:41:23 I mean, you'll start to wonder what's up when it starts ringing but screen stays locked Dec 08 23:42:12 I'm way more annoyed by me stupidly covering the ALS Dec 08 23:43:45 and tbh I consider poll interval of ALS of ~10s a bug anyway, since during screen backlight on you don't worry too much about those uAs used up by polling it way more frequently Dec 08 23:44:38 ALS? Dec 08 23:45:01 I also ponder to cover ALS with a white paper, to reduce directional sensitivity Dec 08 23:45:09 Ambient Light Sensor Dec 08 23:45:43 not the disease of same name Dec 09 00:02:01 hm does crontab alllow for something like every 15 mins starting with minute 3 of the hour? Dec 09 00:08:00 merlin1991: man 5 crontab Dec 09 00:08:15 each field can take a comma separated list Dec 09 00:08:38 so, for instance, 3,18,33,48 Dec 09 00:08:49 yeah I was hoping some awesome foo of the /x syntax would allow for that without typing out the list Dec 09 00:23:27 merlin1991: 3-59/15 Dec 09 00:24:45 obviously only works for periods that are a natural fraction of the whole unit Dec 09 00:25:07 err, hope you know what i mean Dec 09 00:26:08 3-59/18 wouldn't cause next hour's events start at any tme different from "3" Dec 09 00:27:51 IOW a 10-59/31 will not cause event after next to start at 0:02 Dec 09 00:28:42 meh! Dec 09 00:28:56 ~x-yawn Dec 09 00:29:04 ~xyawn Dec 09 00:29:07 from memory, xyawn is big coffee Dec 09 00:29:24 without milk :-S Dec 09 00:41:24 DocScrutinizer05: i tried mounting N900 on the android phone. Without using 'stop bme', android phone did not see the N900 UMS. However, after doing 'stop bme', android sees N900, but returns "Damaged USB storage" :( Dec 09 01:07:39 maybe it hates partitionless Dec 09 01:17:26 ShadowJK: you mean i need to partition it further? Dec 09 01:19:02 That'd probably mess it up on N900 side ;) Dec 09 01:19:44 But you could confirm my theory by taking a normal usb key and creating filesystem without partition tables Dec 09 02:02:43 ~thumb Dec 09 02:02:44 Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/ Dec 09 02:02:55 ~cssu-thumb Dec 09 02:02:56 cssu-thumb is probably [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Dec 09 02:03:46 ~botsnack Dec 09 02:03:47 FIQ: aw, gee Dec 09 02:08:39 DocScrutinizer05: as this is an upgrade from cssu stable rather than PR1.3, will steps be different? Dec 09 02:09:03 from stable to thumb, that is Dec 09 02:17:49 FIQ: I actually don't know, ask freemangordon or check tmo for the cssu-thumb thread Dec 09 02:18:25 well due to lack of immediate response I tried it out Dec 09 02:18:42 worse case is that i'll have to rollback, simple enough Dec 09 02:18:53 but currently step 6 seems not needed Dec 09 02:19:03 i pressed link, ham opened and did its' thing Dec 09 02:19:14 and then i got "update for maemo" notification Dec 09 02:19:25 well Dec 09 02:19:45 nfc how cssu-thumb is meant to handle its dependencies Dec 09 02:20:05 ham seems to have crashed though Dec 09 02:20:14 not that it's unusual that it's slow Dec 09 02:20:29 but i've had a black screen @update window for 15min now Dec 09 02:20:30 aiui it is based on CSSU-T and builds on top of it, relying on whatever CSSU-T did to ensure proper update from stock to CSSU Dec 09 02:21:15 I honnestly suggest you read that tmo thread Dec 09 02:21:20 ah, it's still working apparently Dec 09 02:21:45 i'll see Dec 09 02:23:36 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1220597#post1220597 <-- READ! Dec 09 02:24:33 DocScrutinizer05: i've already read that Dec 09 02:25:23 basically it tells me that installation is the same as for usual cssu and that it's based on testing Dec 09 02:26:15 my question was that, as instructions assume pr1.3(.1), i wondered if it wouldn't work if I ran cssu s4 instead of pr1.3 Dec 09 02:30:03 FIQ: should work just fine Dec 09 02:30:14 merlin1991: ok Dec 09 02:30:18 sorry, I don't know. depends on cssu-enabler and whether it's needed and whether it's executing when it already ran before Dec 09 02:30:53 well neverthless HAM crashed after showing that there was an "update for maejmo" Dec 09 02:30:58 -j Dec 09 02:31:12 what did you do untill now? Dec 09 02:31:28 you're sure you got a thumb-enabled kernel ? Dec 09 02:31:33 merlin1991: i waited for it to finish do its' thing Dec 09 02:31:37 DocScrutinizer05: yes Dec 09 02:31:53 2.6.28.10-power51 Dec 09 02:32:08 yeah, but is it actually thumb-enabled? Dec 09 02:32:26 oh ffs apt-get update on my box is stuck somewhere Dec 09 02:32:56 there's a means to enable the thumb workaround, and I'm not even sure this kernel version you posted already has the thumb fix Dec 09 02:32:57 I assumed it was as the forum post say power51 should work Dec 09 02:33:21 If you have kernel-power v51r1 or above, no custom kernel will be installed, as needed errata workaround is included in kernel-power v51r1 (and above) Dec 09 02:33:39 sorry, I am no help regarding all this. since I can't recall all the details Dec 09 02:33:57 FIQ: no worries about the kernel, you didn't get any thumb pacakges yet Dec 09 02:34:03 the forum post say nothing about specifically enabling work-around Dec 09 02:34:04 R1!! Dec 09 02:34:37 2.6.28.10-power51 doesn't sound like r1 Dec 09 02:35:06 DocScrutinizer05: the mp will pull in a recent enough version Dec 09 02:35:19 DocScrutinizer05: I assumed 2.6.28.10-power51 was "r1" Dec 09 02:35:23 no point in nitpicking versions prior to any installation of actuall packages Dec 09 02:35:57 currently waiting on ham loading Dec 09 02:37:01 merlin1991: though if it's going to pull a newer kernel, my BM backup becomes obsolete :p Dec 09 02:37:28 you can always flash the old image with flasher ;) Dec 09 02:37:35 no Dec 09 02:38:17 hm Dec 09 02:38:30 usb port down or why? Dec 09 02:39:08 merlin1991: err wut? Dec 09 02:39:53 I'd guess nitpicking versions is essential when it comes to the line between kernel versions that support thumb and those wo don't Dec 09 02:40:24 DocScrutinizer05: not if you do it prior to installing the mp which pulls in thumb stuff and a proper kernel Dec 09 02:40:35 that's for post mortem debugging of why the fuck it doesn't boot anymore Dec 09 02:40:58 dafaq, when updating from CSSU-S, I'm not all that sure there's *any* MP involved Dec 09 02:41:06 oh there is Dec 09 02:41:15 it's always done over the mp Dec 09 02:41:23 the Maemo update avaiable msg comes from the mp Dec 09 02:41:27 yeah, exactly my point Dec 09 02:41:42 ... Dec 09 02:42:13 so he is on current S, adds cssu-thumb repos, gets update avaiable msg Dec 09 02:42:13 aiui cssu-thumb is a sparse repo that adds new packages on top of cssu-t Dec 09 02:42:25 simply by bumping the version Dec 09 02:42:36 is that coming from some magical apt uberfoo, or from the mp that fmg maintins Dec 09 02:42:52 from versions! Dec 09 02:42:56 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/m/mp-fremantle-community-pr/ Dec 09 02:43:17 DocScrutinizer05: and how would that work for ham please? Dec 09 02:43:21 otherwise how are packages downgraded from cssu-thumb to new version in cssu-T6? Dec 09 02:43:42 because they have even higher versions than the -thumb ones Dec 09 02:43:49 meh, tbh I DGAF Dec 09 02:45:25 btw FIQ Doc actually brought up a proper point, since the current -testing is higher in verison than thumb, you're not going to get the thumb stuff untill freemangordon pushes a new mp Dec 09 02:45:29 maemo repos are weird enough, cssu-thumb is simply a nightmare, if only because of missing docs of *any* form on how it's supposed to get maintained Dec 09 02:48:07 so, read that post of fmg on tmo, about 2howto install cssu-thumb", and if it doesn't work, ask fmg Dec 09 02:51:59 hm Dec 09 02:52:14 I seem to be on T6 Dec 09 02:52:35 ..how do you know if you're on thumb or not? Dec 09 02:52:51 you currently can't get on thumb Dec 09 02:53:10 newest T has a higher verison than thumb untill fmg pushes a new mp Dec 09 02:53:18 hmm.. Dec 09 02:53:26 now I don't understand Dec 09 02:53:32 I was on stable Dec 09 02:53:37 thumb uses 2 repos Dec 09 02:53:40 clicked on provided link in thumb Dec 09 02:53:42 the testing repo and the thumb repo Dec 09 02:53:47 and now i'm on testing Dec 09 02:53:54 apt installs the highest version of the mp Dec 09 02:54:00 ah Dec 09 02:54:18 so I did do the steps right, just that testing had higher version number Dec 09 02:54:20 ? Dec 09 02:54:21 I honestly hoped for cssu-thumb repo being a comprehensive duplicate of CSSU-T, with some thumb-augments Dec 09 02:54:33 the current testing release is newer than the newest thumb release -> you'll get a "real" thumb as soon as freemangordon does the next update Dec 09 02:54:44 ah ok Dec 09 02:55:08 so the repos would be alternative instead of complementary Dec 09 02:55:44 obviously complementary repos don't work, in this scenario Dec 09 02:56:06 gives you a mega headache, if anything Dec 09 02:57:15 nah the friggin metapackage gives you a mega headache Dec 09 02:57:38 yeah, but we didn't make it to get rid if that BULLSHIT Dec 09 02:57:47 we can't Dec 09 02:59:26 metapackage Dec 09 02:59:34 mp-fremantle-*-pr? Dec 09 02:59:36 yep Dec 09 02:59:40 everybody else can live without friggin MP, why can't we? Dec 09 02:59:45 why is that? Dec 09 02:59:57 why does it even exist? Dec 09 02:59:58 :p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 09 02:59:58 2012