**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:58 2012 Dec 10 05:33:57 BWAHAAAHAAAHAA (twinkle forum: "please support XDG, see http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest") guess who! GUESS!!!!! poettering again - ROTFL Dec 10 05:37:27 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/4027 Dec 10 05:40:28 >> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. << sounds like addressed specifically to Lennart Dec 10 05:52:10 and this ploum-guy is really golden - rationale for XDG is ***>>A BUG IN A GNOME app<<***: " (my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders)" Dec 10 05:54:31 so let's move .profile and .bashrc to a new location, after literally bart simpson and his dog learned those live in ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc, and did so since 1953 Dec 10 05:54:36 really really Dec 10 05:54:40 ~poettering Dec 10 05:54:41 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' Dec 10 05:55:14 meh, the definition missing 'ignorant' Dec 10 05:57:48 * DocScrutinizer05 almost feels amused about the fact that maybe a third of user posts in http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages are like "Poettering said $blablabla, now please the F*CK adopt his holy commandments to your app" Dec 10 06:43:34 it's absolutely mind-boggling how you actually can tell from general basic policy of any sw project that it must have some contribution from Poettering. Each single time the baselne of argumentation is "Unix is obsolete and a mess, now we start all new again and do it better, though in an incompatible way but *so what?*". And each time serious honest experts step up and explain why obviously the main problem tackled in this brilliant Dec 10 06:43:36 new concept is PEBKAC and >> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. << Dec 10 06:45:05 Doc: s/badly/again and again/ Dec 10 06:45:22 Doc: and only then, in parenthesis, "(badly)" =) Dec 10 06:50:50 RST38h: s/badly/poettering/ Dec 10 06:51:34 heh Dec 10 06:52:03 Seriously though, maybe he just needs a girlfriend Dec 10 06:52:43 then the whole misery is a WONTFIX ;-P Dec 10 06:52:55 You never know... Dec 10 06:57:13 RST38h: honestly, what can you say when somebody suggests to move all ~/. to ~/.//filename, to avoid problems with GTK as in "my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders" Dec 10 07:05:42 as someone who actually uses hidden .files sometimes, I'd much rather have all the mess in .config Dec 10 07:06:31 except when it's maemo, which has .config/Authorname. Who the fuck are those guys and why do I care? Where are my config files? Eh Dec 10 07:19:26 Doc: I would say, let them do whatever they want, turn Redhat into "Gnome OS", then die in oblivion Dec 10 07:19:52 yeah, appreciated Dec 10 07:55:13 DocScrutinizer05: perhaps one of you should clearly state "when we say that those who don't understand unix are doomed to reinvent it badly we mean that poettering doesn't understand unix and we don't care about his bad inventions" Dec 10 08:00:04 kerio: well, you did. Thanks Dec 10 08:16:24 except when we're bound to use PA, neh? Dec 10 10:52:08 Hi guys, i start receiving such things in my dmesg Dec 10 10:52:11 [127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values Dec 10 10:52:18 WTF ? Dec 10 10:52:31 Any ideas on it ? Dec 10 10:52:36 It would seem you need to calibrate it. Dec 10 10:53:21 Obviously yea, but how ? :) Dec 10 10:54:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 ? Dec 10 11:05:30 hi all, i have problem whit internet connetions.i see wifi conntetions but there is no aviable gprs Dec 10 11:06:05 i restet do def setting, but that didn;t help Dec 10 11:07:07 Nokia-N900:/usr/local/bin# sh bq27200.sh Dec 10 11:07:07 LOOPMODE=0 Dec 10 11:07:07 Reading valuesError: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy Dec 10 11:07:07 .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy Dec 10 11:07:07 .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy Dec 10 11:07:08 ... Dec 10 11:08:11 Broken. Dec 10 11:08:22 Crap Dec 10 11:08:27 What can i do? Dec 10 11:09:18 No idea. Dec 10 11:09:48 maybe it's the service provider Dec 10 11:09:55 mine has done that few times. Dec 10 11:09:58 Is it a broken battery ? Dec 10 11:10:12 nah I don't think anything is broken Dec 10 11:10:28 So what ? :) Dec 10 11:10:35 although a broken battery caused disconnect for me. Dec 10 11:10:49 Disconnect from what ? Dec 10 11:11:03 from 2G/3G Dec 10 11:11:18 I don't experience the same so far Dec 10 11:11:38 everytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing Dec 10 11:12:07 also some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot. Dec 10 11:12:36 Hm...it seems that i have no such yet :) Dec 10 11:12:38 Tried shutting down, taking battery off and booting? Dec 10 11:13:05 Nope Dec 10 11:13:26 Actually the USB cable is in for now ? Dec 10 11:13:55 Maybe during the charging process, it locks the controller Dec 10 11:14:09 And i have to plug it out before i run bq27200.sh ? Dec 10 11:15:50 can't really say Dec 10 11:15:59 Yea Dec 10 11:16:36 Nothing changes while i diconnect charer Dec 10 11:16:44 s/charer/charger Dec 10 11:17:29 Also, is it ok if i do apt-get upgrade ? Dec 10 11:19:35 why not? Dec 10 11:20:41 everytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing Dec 10 11:20:51 also some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot. Dec 10 11:20:58 this sounds like the dreaded modem death Dec 10 11:22:02 it usually starts by glitching when you open/close slider, type on keyboard, put it into or taking out of pocket, etc Dec 10 11:23:43 Sometimes padding with paper, or changing to a thinner or thicker battery will make the problem go away for a few days or weeks Dec 10 11:24:49 Also can you check the shit i have on ? Dec 10 11:24:51 http://hastebin.com/niholovime.avrasm Dec 10 11:24:55 Any advices ? Dec 10 11:32:28 ShadowJK <== scaremonging =) Dec 10 11:35:25 Seems like i fixed my repos Dec 10 11:54:14 RST38h: ShadowJK describes my old n900s problem perfectly Dec 10 12:03:39 Guys i still receive such a things while i run apt-get update Dec 10 12:03:41 W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 Dec 10 12:04:08 Someone on the talks.mermo advices the following: Thanks for your deep analysys!!! I can only add that I have deleted all the files named domain.* in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/ and the problem has dissapeared!! Dec 10 12:04:12 Is it ok for ? Dec 10 12:12:52 http://i.imgur.com/iNWCG.jpg Dec 10 12:13:42 if only those Nokias were actually this die-hard :) Dec 10 12:27:59 http://hastebin.com/cojehoyida.avrasm Dec 10 12:28:04 Any futher ideas ? Dec 10 12:33:42 those are warnings, just disregard them Dec 10 12:36:32 Yes, but i think it won't install software from these repos Dec 10 12:36:59 Alsi i have The following packages have been kept back: Dec 10 12:37:00 libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 Dec 10 12:37:34 I'd say pay no mind to it Dec 10 12:37:41 Ok Dec 10 12:37:45 is anything broken, or you're just puzzled by the output? Dec 10 12:38:11 If i do dist-upgrade Dec 10 12:38:15 Calculating upgrade... Failed Dec 10 12:38:15 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Dec 10 12:38:15 upstart: PreDepends: sysvinit-utils (>= 2.86.ds1-23) or Dec 10 12:38:15 busybox (>= 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8) but it is not going to be installed Dec 10 12:38:16 E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. Dec 10 12:38:55 That's seems to be broken Dec 10 12:38:57 don't Dec 10 12:39:00 use HAM Dec 10 12:39:08 But ? Dec 10 12:39:10 does anything break if you use ham? Dec 10 12:39:25 I don't know, HAM GUI says nothing to me Dec 10 12:39:54 Just shows no packages are in queue for upgrade Dec 10 12:40:00 then it's probably right Dec 10 12:40:30 Also i've disabled maemo-testing maemo-devel Dec 10 12:40:50 But yesterday i updated using these repos Dec 10 13:59:15 What can you say about this ? Dec 10 13:59:18 http://i.imm.io/ODAt.jpeg Dec 10 13:59:27 I'm experiencing a bit slowdown Dec 10 13:59:53 While it was incoming call, i finally got the control over 10 seconds Dec 10 14:00:03 after the black screen switched to caller Dec 10 14:06:19 XATRIX: seems to me like you have installed like 100% +-20% of possible nonsense and betatest stuff. No surprise when doing apt-get upgrade even from extras-devel (and who knows what else you got installed as repo) Dec 10 14:06:40 probably your only sane recovery patch is to start *all* new Dec 10 14:06:48 path* Dec 10 14:13:08 :( Dec 10 14:13:33 You mean i have to flash it with initial eMMC:( Dec 10 14:14:12 But why pidgin is running ? Dec 10 14:14:16 I closed it Dec 10 14:14:22 With X via GUI Dec 10 14:15:05 Maybe i have to just restart this crap ? Dec 10 14:19:22 XATRIX: you seem to have installed sth like bme-replacement, a wrong busybox version, you got completely used sap due to problems in messaging, and you maybe got wrong glibc Dec 10 14:19:46 swap* Dec 10 14:20:21 you did upgrade while extras-devel enabled Dec 10 14:21:03 whereas you probably *never* should do apt-get upgrade Dec 10 14:22:07 seems you got several desktop widgets installed, some of them most likely crap Dec 10 14:22:26 So, if i issue apt-get upgrade, i will ruin my system while extras-debel is disabled ? Dec 10 14:22:52 basically yes Dec 10 14:22:57 I have phone widget, i have myIP widget, and weather Dec 10 14:25:08 That's crap :( Dec 10 14:25:32 sorry, your system shows symptoms of like 4 or 5 unrelated problems of which each single one is"mt easy to fix Dec 10 14:26:09 all caused by installing stuff to happily Dec 10 14:32:07 too* Dec 10 14:41:06 XATRIX: your initial post >> [127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values<< already suggests you got sone dysfunctional stuff relating battery management installed Dec 10 14:41:25 Yea Dec 10 14:41:38 >> .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy<< confirms that Dec 10 14:41:58 But maybe it can be fixed by reboot or battery in out Dec 10 14:42:06 no way Dec 10 14:42:26 but Dec 10 14:42:53 odds are you deplete your battery caused by non-working bme, and then you're doomed since you can't even reflash anymore, until you find a way to charge it again externally Dec 10 14:44:19 your jpeg clearly shows browserd for messaging is eating up lots of memory and swap, which probably is caused by a corrupted events-db Dec 10 14:48:49 Yea Dec 10 14:48:57 But charging is working so far Dec 10 14:49:08 My battery is up and keep charging Dec 10 14:49:52 according to your broken battery-applet in hildon-status-menu? Dec 10 14:49:54 Also, I'm pretty sure i can check with volts measuring device, it will show i have ~3.0 V batter filled up Dec 10 14:50:14 wut? Dec 10 14:50:17 According to my green light Dec 10 14:50:46 with ~3.0Volt you're already doomed Dec 10 14:50:53 O_O Dec 10 14:51:06 It's max possible voltage it 3.3 Dec 10 14:51:15 3.0 is a alsomost 90% Dec 10 14:51:16 eh? Dec 10 14:51:21 uhuh Dec 10 14:51:39 My battery is not a brand new one. So it's can't be charged up to 100% Dec 10 14:51:57 my N900 shuts down with depleted battery at 3248mV Dec 10 14:52:11 Errr.. Dec 10 14:52:13 that's nonsense Dec 10 14:52:40 I have original Nokia battery :) Dec 10 14:52:52 Assembled somewhere not in China ^^ Dec 10 14:52:56 an old battery is losing some of its capacity, but it's not losing voltage Dec 10 14:53:15 a full battery has ~4.2V Dec 10 14:53:23 no matter how old Dec 10 14:53:24 If it's not charged up to max, it's loosing voltage aswell Dec 10 14:53:55 right, teach an EE about LiPo batteries Dec 10 14:53:55 Are we talking about the standard one battery, shipped with N900 Dec 10 14:54:03 EE ? Dec 10 14:54:15 ~joerg Dec 10 14:54:15 it has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer Dec 10 14:54:54 Holy Crap O_O Dec 10 14:55:30 i think it's not a good idea to argue :( Dec 10 14:55:39 oops, BP-5J is a LiIon Dec 10 14:56:02 which doesn't make any difference for all we discussed here Dec 10 14:56:26 BL-5J even Dec 10 14:56:35 So, who does it stay so long there ? Dec 10 14:56:46 And i swear i saw 3.3V on my battery face Dec 10 14:56:54 your voltage figures are completely off Dec 10 14:57:26 or it doesn't run as long from battery as you claim it does Dec 10 14:58:00 with a battery with 3.300Volt a device can operate max one hour I'd guess, mildly used Dec 10 14:58:51 on your WUT? Dec 10 14:58:56 battery face? Dec 10 14:59:02 label ^ Dec 10 14:59:16 it's 3.7V there Dec 10 14:59:22 all LiIon are Dec 10 14:59:24 most likely Dec 10 15:00:16 What is this guy smoking? http://www.blackphoebe.com/msjen/2012/07/nokia-n950-how-to-op.html#comment-10637 Dec 10 15:01:22 GeneralAntilles: LOL Dec 10 15:01:27 ya i dont beleive that ^ Dec 10 15:01:43 >>the voltage increase of 0.1V will cause significant physical damage to the phone<< DOOOOOOOM!!! Dec 10 15:01:57 shock the monkey Dec 10 15:02:06 Bizarre Dec 10 15:02:43 I bought a replacement BL-4D for my N950 a few weeks ago, never put in it and now I can't find it. :( Dec 10 15:03:44 Pot ? Dec 10 15:04:31 How terrible do you think this battery will be? http://www.amazon.com/Onite-1550mAh-Li-ion-Battery-PureView/dp/B008WYGBI6/ Dec 10 15:05:13 unpredictable Dec 10 15:05:55 might be everything incl a cheap BL-5J fake Dec 10 15:06:45 hell, most likely it *is* a BL-5J 'compatible' cell Dec 10 15:06:51 Low voltage also can harm the HW ? Dec 10 15:06:59 no Dec 10 15:07:24 no battery voltage can harm the hardware Dec 10 15:07:45 O_o emm ? what do you mean ? Dec 10 15:07:48 at least as long as the battery fits in mechanically Dec 10 15:08:45 I mean 0V won't harm your hw, and 5V will make your battery explode but still not harm the hw Dec 10 15:09:50 Is it possible at all to charge it to 5V ? Dec 10 15:10:06 attaching your 12V car battery to N900 battery-bay contacts using some wires *might* damage the device Dec 10 15:10:21 XATRIX: it will explode Dec 10 15:10:24 literally Dec 10 15:10:25 and anyone standing nearby Dec 10 15:10:34 damage them, that is Dec 10 15:10:50 you can't charge LiIon to 5V Dec 10 15:11:33 Has it some charging restriction device ? Dec 10 15:11:44 I mean the battery itself Dec 10 15:12:09 some batteries have, but that's not the reason for it exploding when charged to 5V Dec 10 15:12:55 luckily you simply can not do this (charge to 5V) in N900 Dec 10 15:13:17 Sorry for my question, but is it a self-destruction mechanism, for overcharging or it's a chemical cells feature ? Dec 10 15:13:31 chemistry Dec 10 15:15:21 LiIon batteries are a tad special in some respect Dec 10 15:15:43 Hmm Dec 10 15:15:52 but for every battery there's a max voltage defined by chemistry, for usual LiIon that's ~4.4V Dec 10 15:16:22 So, there's no LiIon in the world that has >5V ? Dec 10 15:16:57 not a single-cell LiIon with usual chemistry Dec 10 15:17:35 there's e.g. LiMg chemistry that has ~2...3V max voltage Dec 10 15:18:02 I fixed this crap :) http://hastebin.com/ladudocoda.avrasm Dec 10 15:18:08 there are other material pairs with Li that might have higher voltages (though I doubt that) Dec 10 15:21:07 My bme is working now :) Dec 10 15:32:00 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10974729/wp_ss_20121210_0002.png Dec 10 15:32:01 oof Dec 10 15:33:10 sandpaper? Dec 10 15:33:53 the battery in the n900 is a protected one though Dec 10 15:36:07 What size torx are the N950 back screws? Dec 10 15:45:37 T4? Dec 10 15:45:51 GeneralAntilles: ^^ Dec 10 15:45:59 OK Dec 10 15:46:35 which screws? ;-P Dec 10 15:46:45 The back battery cover screws. Dec 10 15:46:56 no screws there Dec 10 15:47:04 On the N950? Dec 10 15:47:15 (just tried a t4 on the empty hles) Dec 10 15:47:55 achipa instructed us to remove and bin the screws during unboxing Dec 10 15:48:13 NFC where to I 'binned' mine Dec 10 15:48:28 must've been Tx4 though Dec 10 15:48:41 it's _not_ TX6 Dec 10 15:48:50 Interesting. Dec 10 15:48:52 Why bin the screws? Dec 10 15:49:06 one time screws Dec 10 15:49:09 seems they are not really needed Dec 10 15:49:32 well the main reasoning behind removing them is, that it holds without them and suddenly you can change the battery Dec 10 15:49:39 and of course what merlin1991 says :-D Dec 10 15:50:01 at least that is what he told me when I saw him in vienna :D Dec 10 15:50:24 yep, exactly Dec 10 15:50:49 Ah Dec 10 15:54:18 aahyes, I'm also missing my box - probably with the screws inside Dec 10 15:55:07 and where's that sourcecode???? ;-P Dec 10 15:55:20 Openmoko ? :) Dec 10 15:55:33 XATRIX: hmm? Dec 10 15:55:51 Is it a HW paltform ? Dec 10 15:55:57 yes Dec 10 15:56:10 A good enough one / Dec 10 15:56:11 ? Dec 10 15:56:20 umm, no Dec 10 15:56:33 N900 != Openmoko ? Dec 10 15:56:53 otherwise I'd use one or two of the ~15 Freerunner collecting dust here Dec 10 15:57:05 N900=Nokia Dec 10 15:57:13 Yea, right Dec 10 15:57:15 and answer calls from emacs? Dec 10 15:57:24 hehe, yeah Dec 10 15:57:58 Ok guys, thanks for advices, i'm going home... My brain is going down slowly :( Dec 10 15:58:22 take the opportunity to do a full reflash Dec 10 15:58:27 fsckd server Dec 10 15:58:35 your system demands it Dec 10 15:58:45 scp really needs some sort of continue mode Dec 10 15:58:49 * XATRIX is going to fsck his brain... Dec 10 15:59:18 merlin1991: which server? Dec 10 15:59:25 mine Dec 10 15:59:27 I wouldn't like to reflash it, cause i have ton of a software install on it Dec 10 15:59:31 merlin1991: and use sftp! Dec 10 15:59:47 It will take forever to reinstall this all crap Dec 10 15:59:50 XATRIX: that's exactly why you should reflash Dec 10 16:00:20 first instance you shouldn't have installed 90% of it I guess Dec 10 16:01:28 unlike apple store there are really broken apps installable from extras-devel Dec 10 16:01:42 even from extras Dec 10 16:04:13 while 'usual' apps are not completely bad since they 'only' do damage when you actually start them, some desktop widgets are running all the time and some of them are real crap Dec 10 16:06:14 and, as mentioned, it seems you got severe problems with rtcom-*-ui which might be caused by whoknowswhat and would already justify a full reflash Dec 10 16:08:13 As far as i see, it works quite fast enough Dec 10 16:08:25 Maybe it's not a good idea to reflash it so far Dec 10 16:08:30 I'll give it a try Dec 10 16:08:35 Ok..see you guys Dec 10 16:08:40 Will be here soon Dec 10 16:25:49 goddammit what did you guys say to xatrix Dec 10 16:50:20 kerio: why? was it you who convincewd him to install thumb and bme-rplacement and whatnot else? Dec 10 16:54:48 kerio: oops, you're right, I misread that dim screenshot, it wasn't actually *all* swap that been eaten by rtcom-ui and freinds Dec 10 16:58:48 It kinda looked to me like browserd and rtcom ate all swap Dec 10 16:59:20 my screen been too dim to allow to read it correctly Dec 10 17:01:55 kerio: well, nevertheless he said he did an apt-get upgrade against extras-devel, aiui Dec 10 17:06:41 kerio: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-12-10.log.html#t2012-12-10T14:38:11 Dec 10 17:06:51 dist-upgrade Dec 10 17:06:58 even Dec 10 17:07:39 I don't see any other reasonable recovery method than resoring BM backup or reflashing Dec 10 17:52:54 DocScrutinizer05: recovery for what? high ram usage? :s Dec 10 17:56:44 maybe i missed his original explanation of his problem Dec 10 17:57:35 DocScrutinizer05: he did have the bme replacement though - i think i haven't told him to install it Dec 10 18:28:33 I wonder how N900 will handle the completely dead battery :) Dec 10 18:38:13 "The PHY chip detects a charger (shorted D+ and D- pins) and the charger uses this information to charge more rapidly. " Dec 10 18:38:17 WTF ? Dec 10 18:38:29 Is there a logical link control / Dec 10 18:38:30 ? Dec 10 18:41:25 Also i wonder how much current is going to the device while it charges from the AC charger Dec 10 18:41:25 >1A ? Dec 10 18:49:27 less than 950mA I'd say Dec 10 18:49:46 It' s gonna be charging from USB Dec 10 18:50:11 If it's AC charger, it's >1A Dec 10 18:50:11 1020mA or more Dec 10 18:51:12 it sets charging current to 950mA (at max 4.2V), so input current at 5V should be at or around 950 too, depending on efficiency Dec 10 18:51:16 By the way it's kinda big current! I charge my 12V car's battery with +/- 0.4-0.7mA current Dec 10 18:51:51 And it is 45Ah Dec 10 18:51:53 No you don't :) Dec 10 18:52:42 Cheap car battery chargers are usually 4A or more Dec 10 18:53:24 Nope.. .I have an old Soviet :) Dec 10 18:53:53 It has ampermeter up to 1A :) But it's possible to make more output Dec 10 18:54:18 But it start to heat as hell.. So usually i do near half Dec 10 18:54:21 At 0.7 mA current, it would take 7 years to charge a 45 Ah battery Dec 10 18:55:17 Don't think so :) Dec 10 18:55:23 Wait a bit Dec 10 18:55:29 I'll show you Dec 10 18:56:06 0.7A might be more plausible Dec 10 18:56:14 it'd take 2 days or so then Dec 10 19:01:11 that's ma baby :))) Dec 10 19:01:21 http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5010/20121210004.jpg Dec 10 19:01:43 XATRIX: epic Dec 10 19:01:44 :D Dec 10 19:02:08 Usually i do 0.4-0.7 Dec 10 19:02:14 Is Maemo still recommended to install on a N900? Dec 10 19:02:19 Or is there a superior OS available? Dec 10 19:02:27 And it takes about a few hours until it starts to boil a bit :) Dec 10 19:02:27 frediiiiiiii: still the best thing ever Dec 10 19:02:39 I get the voltage until it goes up to 15V Dec 10 19:02:48 And switch it off :) Dec 10 19:03:25 XATRIX: IIRC a charged lead battery voltage should be 13.8 V Dec 10 19:03:26 If you charge 12V 45Ah battery with 12-13V it will be charged to 75-80% Dec 10 19:05:57 Which CSSU is recommended? Dec 10 19:06:00 Stable or Testing? Dec 10 19:06:08 I had stable for a while but it seemed dead. Dec 10 19:06:10 Regarding updates. Dec 10 19:06:28 That's why i tried testing :) Dec 10 19:06:38 Also extras-testing/devel :) Dec 10 19:11:28 "It also features reverse boost mode - which enables power to be supplied to a USB device connected to the N900. (up to a limit of 200 mA) " Dec 10 19:11:33 A reverse boost mode O_o Dec 10 19:12:11 It will charge back the charger ? :) Or it gives N900 the possibility to power itself outside the battery use Dec 10 19:16:23 frediiiiiiii: stable has conservative updates Dec 10 19:16:29 ideally you wouldn't notice you're on cssu instead of stock Dec 10 19:16:36 testing is a bit more relaxed Dec 10 19:16:44 But updates get pushed from testing to stable after a while. Dec 10 19:16:46 Right? Dec 10 19:16:53 XATRIX: "boost" mode is to power devices connected to the n900 Dec 10 19:16:53 Le Debian style? Dec 10 19:16:56 frediiiiiiii: not necessarily Dec 10 19:17:12 cssu-stable is stable as in debian stable, though Dec 10 19:17:13 frediiiiiiii: "while" could be a very long period Dec 10 19:17:30 kerio, Debian freezes testing at one point to push it through as stable. Dec 10 19:17:36 which reminds me... Dec 10 19:17:40 I do not tihnk I have seen that happen to Maemo yet. Dec 10 19:17:40 and it's still as old as dirt Dec 10 19:17:43 But it would be great if it could. Dec 10 19:18:04 Does anyone know if the Exchange HTTPS issue has been fixed yet? Dec 10 19:18:07 Or the sync errors? Dec 10 19:18:10 In stable? Dec 10 19:18:21 frediiiiiiii: Exchange HTTPS issue? Dec 10 19:18:42 frediiiiiiii: btw better ask your quesions re CSSU on #maemo-ssu Dec 10 19:19:20 kerio, it will power my external HDD ? Dec 10 19:19:37 XATRIX: it's probably too little Dec 10 19:19:46 usb flash drives are most likely OK Dec 10 19:19:50 XATRIX: 200mA limit Dec 10 19:20:02 Yea, it will not enough Dec 10 19:25:19 Crap, it's not enough even for my pocket torch :) Dec 10 19:33:18 For example, an alarm application that after it has been told to beep after 12 hours, turns on the audio system immediately to make that beep, Dec 10 19:33:47 So, as long as i see, the audio system is always turned off ? Dec 10 19:51:51 gcc-4.2 is missing in maemo repos Dec 10 19:52:07 rooster_rus: check in sdk repo Dec 10 19:52:29 build-essentials for example, not sure for the package name Dec 10 19:53:45 ld: ctrl0: No such file Dec 10 19:53:56 *crt1 Dec 10 19:54:23 rooster_rus: are you trying to build something on the device? Dec 10 19:54:34 rooster_rus: make sure you have enough space Dec 10 19:55:37 freemangordon: yep, scratchbox seems to be dead Dec 10 19:56:05 rooster_rus: isn;t it mirrored? Dec 10 19:56:45 rooster_rus: you may have to install glibc-dev or something Dec 10 20:03:44 freemangordon: idk, i can't find any mirror Dec 10 20:04:42 can i make an image of my system and boot it qemu-armel? Dec 10 20:22:08 goddammit fruct, fix your bouncer Dec 10 21:14:30