**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 21 02:59:59 2012 Dec 21 03:16:36 Hello Dec 21 03:17:39 I cannot install scratchbox (apt-get update in install script failed), is scratchbox.org is down? Dec 21 03:17:56 Is there any mirror? Dec 21 03:47:37 most people are asleep at this time Dec 21 03:47:49 Not me.. Dec 21 03:47:56 you may get a better response if you ask 4 hours ago Dec 21 03:48:12 I should making a new nmap and other goodies for maemo.. Dec 21 03:48:23 :-) Dec 21 03:48:33 never used scratch box myself Dec 21 03:48:49 them limited development I've done has been on device Dec 21 03:49:01 can you just open scratchbox.org website? Dec 21 03:49:36 SpeedEvil: I'm making a PPwniePhone maemo os image.. Dec 21 03:49:38 still loading Dec 21 03:50:29 still, so I think it's fair to say down Dec 21 03:50:39 end of the world.. Dec 21 03:50:51 damn it Dec 21 03:51:42 It's 5am in my timezone right now Dec 21 03:51:50 4 hetre Dec 21 03:52:03 Germany? Dec 21 03:52:06 Poland Dec 21 03:52:17 ah Dec 21 03:53:26 So maemo users will not have a nice christmas gift Dec 21 03:55:01 :'( Dec 21 03:55:07 yeah.. Dec 21 03:55:49 it was down when I tried the other day too Dec 21 03:58:50 http://www.sendspace.com/file/pkgn1r < This is just a working nmap 6.01 Dec 21 03:58:55 not optified version Dec 21 03:59:52 I have a fully working (not freezing and glitching) newest metasploit on my n900 Dec 21 04:00:02 and much more.. Dec 21 04:00:03 :-) Dec 21 04:00:23 * SpeedEvil has mialaid his n900. Dec 21 04:00:25 grr Dec 21 04:00:40 it's in the house somewhere... Dec 21 04:01:08 can you still SSH in to it? Dec 21 04:01:33 no Dec 21 04:01:38 battery dead Dec 21 04:01:41 I think Dec 21 04:03:47 I was hoping you would be able to get in and make it make some noise :( Dec 21 04:03:55 DocScrutinizer06: Hi Dec 21 04:04:21 ugh damn it.. Dec 21 04:47:42 DocScrutinizer05: I think HAM would be more tolerable if it showed any progressbar. But the way it is now it gets me furious. Like "WTF is it doing?! Talking to Curiosity through DTN?" Dec 21 04:49:32 If apt-get is really broken I'm veeeeery disappointed. If it was done by nokia... I'll get over it. It would better be nokia. Dec 21 04:51:10 also, HAM lacks checkboxes for selective upgrade. Did you try to upgrade, like, 5 packages in it? Dec 21 04:58:59 * int_ua launched update check in HAM. Observed it saying nothing for almost 5 minutes. 4:50. Dec 21 07:55:46 DocScrutinizer05: HAM uses a different algorithm to solve dependencies Dec 21 07:55:52 there's an option to make it use APT's Dec 21 07:56:38 int_ua: at some point (with extras-devel enabled and the option to show every package) i clocked HAM's apt-worker taking 100% cpu for 14 minutes before becoming reactive again Dec 21 07:57:35 int_ua: anyway, apt works, but it doesn't support killing everything except itself to update system packages in bulk Dec 21 07:57:47 for instance, installing cssu-thumb without an already thumby kernel would be impossible Dec 21 07:58:56 Pali: would kernel-cssu install silently over stock if you've got fiasco-image-update-ask installed? Dec 21 07:59:13 and/or is the launched binary optified? Dec 21 08:00:07 kerio, it checking kernel version string Dec 21 08:00:25 if kernel has different substring it will ask Dec 21 08:00:54 Pali: isn't the thing that asks for confirmation part of HAM? Dec 21 08:01:18 that dialog window is binary application in HAM package Dec 21 08:03:30 so if that's thumby... Dec 21 08:03:48 does HAM have a special case for itself? Dec 21 08:37:01 ~moo Dec 21 08:37:02 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Dec 21 08:38:30 I thought it was penguin Dec 21 08:38:45 * DocScrutinizer05 opens letterbox. No apocalypse... Dec 21 08:38:56 * DocScrutinizer05 mehs and closes letterbox Dec 21 08:40:47 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders where to burn that giant solstice fire Dec 21 08:42:49 http://imgur.com/XKQkK (december 21 relevant) Dec 21 08:43:51 DocScrutinizer05: elop's house! Dec 21 08:51:23 kerio: without elop we never would've seen jolla Dec 21 08:52:13 jaska: exactly what I just did, just the outside not been bright and hot but dim, cold, and rain washing away the snow Dec 21 08:54:28 rain on snow is a very effective method of nature to increase the amount of suddenly to dissipate water per area, thus creating nice floods Dec 21 09:01:34 i wish... -20c Dec 21 09:04:03 it's about +20 here Dec 21 09:04:13 actually no, more like +15 Dec 21 09:04:19 but i've still got the flu :c Dec 21 11:11:47 HAIL DEAR SUN!!!! Dec 21 11:11:54 come up again now Dec 21 11:12:31 see? I'm the master of sun Dec 21 11:13:32 DocScrutinizer05: dunno, it's cloudy here, I can't see the sun Dec 21 11:13:57 believe me, it obeyed ;-D Dec 21 11:14:26 going higher for northern hemisphere since ~2 min now Dec 21 11:16:20 :) Dec 21 11:16:33 the sun is a lie Dec 21 11:16:36 http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Markinch/meteogram.png Dec 21 11:16:36 still going strong here in asia Dec 21 11:16:54 been doing this for a couple of days now Dec 21 11:16:54 unless it just doesn't come up tomorrow.... :( Dec 21 11:17:34 50mm rain, and cloud 24 hours Dec 21 11:18:12 :-/ Dec 21 11:18:55 maybe you could use some of the golden yellow of this critter http://www.ebay.de/itm/LASER-11-WATT-Copper-Vapor-Laser-Kupferdampflaser-/140897424720#ht_2456wt_1396 Dec 21 11:19:28 I'm hoping for the auction ending soon, so I'm not doing sth silly until then Dec 21 11:19:35 ;-D Dec 21 11:26:00 :) Dec 21 11:32:30 nice Dec 21 11:32:56 indeed Dec 21 11:34:02 selling, or buying? Dec 21 11:41:17 buying, of course Dec 21 11:41:27 NOIWONTNOIWONTNOIWONTNOIWONTNOIWONT Dec 21 11:42:20 YOUWILLYOUWILLYOUWILL Dec 21 11:43:03 RST38h: if I do, will you volunteer for my first live target? X-P Dec 21 11:43:56 No, but I would like a Youtube video of that! Dec 21 11:45:02 check out the already existing tubevid Dec 21 11:45:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-R4Kq2l7xE Dec 21 11:46:53 this critter probably actually can lure down lightning into that mirror Dec 21 11:48:02 * DocScrutinizer05 is temped to go and probe resistance of beam ion channel with a multimeter ;-P Dec 21 11:48:14 I mean, up to 5kW pulses Dec 21 11:49:02 GRRRRR, I should drill my mains Dec 21 11:49:22 will help at least fro the DSL router Dec 21 11:49:33 to stop me from bidding for it Dec 21 12:22:33 I wish it was possible to remotely share these things. Dec 21 12:23:18 I mean, you could easily get several people willing to pay a couple of hundred, if they could use it at home in an hours notice Dec 21 12:24:52 SpeedEvil: sounds like a hacklab Dec 21 12:25:22 yeah, that sort of thing, Dec 21 12:25:39 doesn't work so well when in the sticks with no car though. Dec 21 13:30:45 :nod: Dec 21 13:35:41 now THAT's what I call a laserprinter: http://www.taufenbach.de/anwendungen/ Dec 21 13:36:44 Nahaaah Dec 21 13:37:42 >>Schneiden von Pappe:<< DAFAQ! Dec 21 13:37:53 Doc: here is a question for you: http://www.dihalt2.nm.ru/main/pricol/laserrez.gif Dec 21 13:38:01 Doc: What was it? Dec 21 13:50:34 RST38h: nfc. A pattern to cover an area with continuous path as uniformly as possible? Dec 21 13:54:40 DocScrutinizer05: nah, that would have to be an iterated step of a space-filling curve Dec 21 13:54:48 that spiky stuff can't fill shit Dec 21 13:54:50 Doc: Nope Dec 21 13:55:24 Doc: This is what the plastic tray looks like after you use it to cut cabbage for the salad. With an industrial laser cutter. Dec 21 13:55:56 hahahaha Dec 21 13:55:57 nice Dec 21 14:58:50 guys, does media player sort songs by track number? Dec 21 15:14:19 it seems it does, but for some reason, I assumed it didn't for some quite time :/ Dec 21 15:27:41 It depends on Id3 tags, iirc Dec 21 15:32:22 ShadowJK: it's all tagged, yes Dec 21 15:32:50 I tested it right now, and it does sort by track number (but does not show it) Dec 21 15:32:56 it depends on what that POS tracker decided Dec 21 15:34:39 Iirc it doesn't sort properly if you've got an album in a directory, and numbered filenames Dec 21 15:36:41 it doesn't sort properly if tracker decides to shit itself and fails to read correct Id3 tags Dec 21 15:38:15 that too ;p Dec 21 15:44:59 Hi! I have some problem with my n900. I installed nitdroid, it worked quite well for some weeks, I was able to reboot to maemo several times. But now, the phone is in some kind of boot loop. Using flasher to boot other initrd images works, but I cannot get back to my old system. Dec 21 15:45:22 the nokia logo appears and when it disappears, the phone seems to be off again Dec 21 15:45:46 :s Dec 21 15:45:53 *how* did you install nitdroid? Dec 21 15:46:20 I used the auto-installer Dec 21 15:46:34 could it be enough to re-flash some initrd image? Dec 21 15:46:55 maemo doesn't use initrd Dec 21 15:47:09 actually I am not sure if I know how the multiboot process actually works Dec 21 15:47:19 multiboot is a piece of crap Dec 21 15:47:34 can I replace it using flasher? Dec 21 15:48:01 peterx: did you uninstall the stock kernel modules in your fremantle install? Dec 21 15:48:18 kerio: I am not sure Dec 21 15:48:32 did you install a different kernel? Dec 21 15:48:39 kerio: there were some errors regarding conflicting packages Dec 21 15:48:54 I am not sure which package ended up installed at the end, but I think I replaced it Dec 21 15:49:19 peterx: how "much" can you boot now? Dec 21 15:49:43 kerio: anything that is loaded from flasher Dec 21 15:50:02 and nothing else? Dec 21 15:50:15 kerio: nothing else Dec 21 15:50:21 fun Dec 21 15:50:28 try flashing the kernel Dec 21 15:50:52 also it seems that the backlight is not always turned on Dec 21 15:50:54 which one? Dec 21 15:50:55 flasher-3.5 -F COMBINED.bin --flash-only=kernel -f Dec 21 15:51:03 the one from COMBINED Dec 21 15:51:12 (aka the stock one) Dec 21 15:53:27 peterx: also note that nitdroid-installer is a piece of shit Dec 21 15:56:02 kerio: I only wonder why it worked so lang Dec 21 15:56:04 long Dec 21 15:56:16 maemo also reported some issues with faulty memory Dec 21 15:56:23 when connecting it via usb Dec 21 15:56:35 so perhaps it is the flash wearing out?? Dec 21 15:57:32 can you pastebin the actual output from flasher? Dec 21 16:01:52 kerio: sure Dec 21 16:04:36 kerio: ok, most of the information is about the image. the flashing process only says 1705 kB and "done" Dec 21 16:04:55 kerio: ah great, at least the menu appears now Dec 21 16:05:52 multiboot is also a huge piece of crap Dec 21 16:06:01 kerio: ah, it's back from the dead! Dec 21 16:06:26 thank you very much Dec 21 16:06:27 ! Dec 21 16:07:26 backup your data and do a full reflash, really Dec 21 16:09:50 kerio: hm, I rather backup my data and move to a different phone Dec 21 16:10:06 you mean move to a phone Dec 21 16:10:19 :D Dec 21 16:10:20 unless you were actually using android Dec 21 16:12:53 using android as a phone on the n900 is the only thing that does not work... Dec 21 16:26:11 ~seen ivgalvez Dec 21 16:26:15 ivgalvez <~ivgalvez@89.140.113.138.static.user.ono.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 23h 19m 1s ago, saying: 'speak later'. Dec 21 16:26:21 nice :( Dec 21 18:04:43 yoh Dec 21 18:27:44 DocScrutinizer05: Can you tell me how to install scratchbox? It seems that scratchbox.org is offline. What Can I do? :/ Dec 21 18:28:00 ouch Dec 21 18:28:14 get a vmware image Dec 21 18:28:29 ther should be one rather outdated one I think Dec 21 18:28:46 DocScrutinizer05: on vmware image I can't compile ruby - processor/core/module? error Dec 21 18:28:59 Yeah it's on ubuntu 10.04 lts Dec 21 18:29:01 or ask merlin1991or thedead1440 or crahsanddie/teotwaki if they got mirrors Dec 21 18:29:12 I want to give a christmas gift to maemo users.. Dec 21 18:30:20 http://thecust.net/nelisquare/hathor-sdk/ < This is the only mirror I can find Dec 21 18:30:48 but It's not "mirror" it's a backup of scratchbox Dec 21 18:31:02 and it's not working with apt to install from script Dec 21 18:31:42 ask the pretty active guys around CSSU, they might have a solution, esp merlin1991 Dec 21 18:32:02 Pali, freemangordon Dec 21 18:32:03 * spoofy pokes merlin1991 Dec 21 18:32:21 Ok. I'll do that ;) Dec 21 18:32:24 thx btw. Dec 21 18:33:24 I'm just drowning in stuff on my dish, regarding all this maemo et al migration & backup / mirroring & continued services topic Dec 21 18:33:50 yw, thanks for bringing up the topic Dec 21 18:34:10 it's nearly impossible to pick up on all the loose ends Dec 21 18:34:59 DocScrutinizer05: All existing services will be available after backup? Dec 21 18:35:02 no matter where you look, everywhere stuff is dangling, loose, or already falling off the far end of the table Dec 21 18:35:21 spoofy: no idea, really Dec 21 18:35:34 I can pay for a hosting to help the community Dec 21 18:35:42 scratchbox for example is a pretty new and unclear construction site Dec 21 18:35:58 see fundraiser thread Dec 21 18:36:08 rly... It's extreme important to have all of this stuff Dec 21 18:36:21 *sigh* I'm aware of that Dec 21 18:36:32 I know that maemo 4< is dead right now but fremantle is not Dec 21 18:36:48 n900 is still a best (clearly based on debian) phone Dec 21 18:37:22 I beg of you - don't let the world end! Dec 21 18:39:04 I have many sources to make and upload updated packages to extras-devel repo Dec 21 18:39:31 For example nmap, ruby, subversion, midori Dec 21 18:42:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222&highlight=fundraiser Dec 21 18:43:29 also join board about what's going on, oh wait you're supposed to do that via council (I.E. *me* :-o) Dec 21 18:44:01 DocScrutinizer05: I'm not registred on forum yet (shame on me) Dec 21 18:44:30 I planned to do that after release of PPP Dec 21 18:45:08 you don't need a registration to click that paypal link Dec 21 18:47:12 It's seems that you have a money to pay for hosting at next month. I don't have alot of money (I'm a polish student ;) ), but you can count on me for a small payment Dec 21 18:48:48 you can help with organisational stuff as well, keep track of what's backup'ed where, what's not backuped at all yet, and answer questions here or even on tmo (should work for another 6 days at least, and registration should be low-effort and fast) Dec 21 18:49:00 from TMO: "Good idea, i think the Jolla guys should be our most likely allies." I agree with that Dec 21 18:49:15 well, most of us do Dec 21 18:49:37 except ... nah, I'm not going to throw mud here Dec 21 18:49:53 Did someone contact with jolla guys about this stuff? Dec 21 18:50:00 yes Dec 21 18:50:02 and? Dec 21 18:50:17 I mustn't (SIC!) talk about it Dec 21 18:50:31 and that's not jolla's fault Dec 21 18:50:48 uh :/ Dec 21 18:51:05 yeah, somebody going a tiny bit nuts Dec 21 18:51:52 I mean, this is a open community, even jolla insists in that Dec 21 18:52:00 I know that mer/harmattan/sailfish is a whole another story but fremantle is a "father" Dec 21 18:52:26 of meego/mer etc. Dec 21 18:52:41 spoofy: just another thing on my plate, since it seems nobody else is willing to handle it in a sensible manner Dec 21 18:55:11 Ugh.. I can only update most of critical stuff i.e. ruby and port other things to make fremantle still usable Dec 21 18:55:32 btw. I'm from arcean Dec 21 18:55:59 nokia had a funny insane NDA policy. Seems some of the maemo 'entities' try to mimic Nokia in more than just this regard, and maybe even top it Dec 21 18:56:23 Doc: Haven't you figured it out since maemo.org times? Dec 21 18:56:45 Doc: For some people,creating policies is the only "contribution" they can make, the only accomplishment Dec 21 18:57:07 indeed, looks like you got a point there Dec 21 18:57:22 Doc: So they keep creating those, while everybody else scuttles to work around them Dec 21 18:57:35 that's true Dec 21 18:58:18 well, when I got 2introduced" into council, it was made utterly clear to me that there is NO NDA whatsoever Dec 21 18:58:28 but I'm not right person to judge. Dec 21 18:59:03 so I'm pretty puzzled to hear that now other entities are actively pushing NDA crap Dec 21 18:59:26 what other entities? jolla? Dec 21 18:59:27 though those entities are as well a spawn of community Dec 21 18:59:38 *not* jolla! Dec 21 18:59:51 I prefer to do something first and THEN talk about it.. ugh nvm Dec 21 19:00:40 DocScrutinizer05: just keep in faith and do not give up ;) Dec 21 19:00:41 lemme put it this way: in HF there's one or two layers too many Dec 21 19:00:57 lawyers :-d Dec 21 19:02:38 just like there been way too many lawyers involved into maemo.nokia.com Dec 21 19:02:41 if anyone will have some information about scratchbox PLEASE let me know Dec 21 19:02:58 merlin1991: ping ^^^^ Dec 21 19:05:01 * DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "approaching *sponsors* with an NDA, what an utter nonsense" Dec 21 19:08:44 probably once more born from mere ignorance of RL practice in administration of stuff etc Dec 21 19:10:30 anyway, cya guys, it's solstice eve here Dec 21 19:11:00 and I wasted the best hour of the evening for a council meeting that defacto didn't even happen Dec 21 19:12:10 balance for this week:: offered:2h/week for council work, spent:~25h this week Dec 21 19:12:22 most of it wasted though Dec 21 19:14:04 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, the rest of the council seemed happy without you Dec 21 19:14:15 or at least the HF board Dec 21 19:14:20 obviously Dec 21 19:15:38 ohai spoofy Dec 21 19:15:44 is your debian going well? Dec 21 19:15:51 kerio: hayo ;) Dec 21 19:16:04 my debian? I reinstall it to aptosid :D Dec 21 19:16:12 it's just that I'm not happy with the way the board performs right now, and I'm not the only one feeling like this Dec 21 19:17:03 Doc.. I just beg of you.. Don't let the maemo die.. Dec 21 19:17:07 and for council it's not much better Dec 21 19:17:29 spoofy: I already shot most of my powder Dec 21 19:17:37 spoofy: it's not like your n900 is going to suddenly stop working though Dec 21 19:17:51 only so much I can do when other entities or persons don't play along Dec 21 19:18:05 kerio: yes it is Dec 21 19:18:21 losing the maemo.org knowledge base would suck balls, ofc Dec 21 19:18:51 critical stuff is repositories, scratchbox Dec 21 19:19:03 then the forum and wiki stuff Dec 21 19:19:06 DocScrutinizer05: bit rot isn't that fast of a process Dec 21 19:19:15 critical stuff is a list of stuff, first and foremost Dec 21 19:19:30 kerio: you got NO idea Dec 21 19:19:30 kerio: my n900 is going well :) Yesterday I bought a DC-16 and new otterbox :) Dec 21 19:19:50 see 'bitrot' of wiki Dec 21 19:19:57 nokia care replaced board after usb break Dec 21 19:20:23 kerio: see signing keys for repos Dec 21 19:20:35 spoofy: watch out for the pieces of plastic that sit right below the keyboard, they're easily broken if you remove the otterbox carelessly Dec 21 19:20:43 kerio: see URLs suddently dangling Dec 21 19:20:45 spoofy, wow! New board from Nokia AND new otterbox! Dec 21 19:21:06 DocScrutinizer05: dangling urls? where? Dec 21 19:21:07 :o Dec 21 19:21:15 not yet, just a threat Dec 21 19:21:27 and new 16Gb 10class sdhc sandisk and I ordered new 1500mAh polarcell battery ;P ultimate setup Dec 21 19:21:38 due to happen maybe one week into the future Dec 21 19:21:52 though for scratchbox it's already true Dec 21 19:21:55 spoofy: what are you going to use the uSD for? Dec 21 19:21:56 it seems Dec 21 19:22:18 nvm kerio I already know that :) I broke my first otterbox like that :D Dec 21 19:22:56 spoofy, both otterbox and usb fix from Nokia are considered miracles nowadays... Dec 21 19:23:06 kerio: few partitions i.e. fat, partition for truecrypt, partition for swap Dec 21 19:23:33 qwazix: my board was produced in 2012.11 ;) Dec 21 19:23:35 spoofy: then you probably wanted an old class4 Dec 21 19:23:43 class 10 uSDs suck at random I/O Dec 21 19:23:47 it seems that nokia order a few boards ;) Dec 21 19:23:48 even sandisk ones Dec 21 19:24:10 qwazix: i bought an otterbox brand new from amazon italy this summer Dec 21 19:24:16 kerio: ... and you tellin me this NOW? Oh my god. Dec 21 19:24:30 qwazix: you ever managed a server with high visibility, a lot of traffic, and quite a constant load of DoS attacks? Dec 21 19:24:54 Doc I do ;) Dec 21 19:25:09 * kerio whoises Dec 21 19:25:27 DocScrutinizer05, not really. Biggest server I've managed, news site, about 25000 visits/day Dec 21 19:25:39 no DoS attacks yet fortunately Dec 21 19:25:54 DoS attacks.. ugh kids gettin a botnets for a few BTC Dec 21 19:26:27 qwazix: you really should talk to Reggie before volunteering for that particular job, then Dec 21 19:26:44 there's no chance to aware of that - even hardware ids like cisco don't help Dec 21 19:27:02 DocScrutinizer05, I just volunteered for doing the moving, not managing the new server Dec 21 19:27:12 meh, buying a botnet for bitcoins Dec 21 19:27:19 you can buy much better things with bitcoins Dec 21 19:27:24 haha, seems somebody at board got that pretty wrong then Dec 21 19:27:26 which according to board is not going to be needed so I'm dismissed Dec 21 19:27:28 yeah to make your own :P Dec 21 19:28:20 kudos to board's technical expertise Dec 21 19:28:26 And I even did that reluctantly just because I felt it would be a shame if tmo was not moved just because nobody cared to do the move. Dec 21 19:28:54 qwazix: agree :) Dec 21 19:29:59 honestly I've got the terrible feeling that board is deciding on technical micromanagement with no experience *at all* in that domain Dec 21 19:30:39 Re tmo move, Reggie said will help do it so I'm pretty confident it will go well :) Dec 21 19:31:10 Don't know about the rest though. Dec 21 19:31:13 Reggie said he wil help moving the database Dec 21 19:31:15 not more Dec 21 19:31:53 Moving the files and redirecting the DNS shouldn't be anything terrible though. Dec 21 19:32:07 ugh.. mysqldump & cp.. Dec 21 19:32:21 yeah, that Dec 21 19:32:46 all the comments from board's site however prove they don't even know the difference between a vserver and a dedicated server, not to mention requirements of management vs managed servers Dec 21 19:33:30 AIUI they're moving everything to vservers until the boxes arrive at nemein Dec 21 19:33:42 no, Nemein is doing that Dec 21 19:33:55 yes, that, my bad. Dec 21 19:34:16 I thought that maemo is intended for Linux users.. Dec 21 19:34:17 board is doing pretty much nothing regarding technical stuff, but tries micromanagement Dec 21 19:34:30 from there however there's no indication whether they'll just move the vm's onto the new boxes, or migrate services again Dec 21 19:34:58 Nemein definitely won't move twice Dec 21 19:35:05 'they' == whoever will do it Dec 21 19:35:50 so forget that stuff, Nemein moves the shite to the new boxen when installed (btw 2HE I heard, per box) Dec 21 19:36:04 and then it's up to board Dec 21 19:36:26 which in my book still doesn't feel really familiar with the whole problem Dec 21 19:38:05 and since they are not familiar with it, they can't ask the right questions to Nemein, just pestering them with "noob noise" Dec 21 19:39:15 the professional admins I placed on the CC of that notorious mail, they got so pissed that they are even blaming me for that now Dec 21 19:40:00 while everybody inside this maemo "management" waterhead just ignored them completely Dec 21 19:40:50 I mean, I know such stuff from the 'inside a company' perspective Dec 21 19:41:18 I just don't think those things are done via commitee Dec 21 19:41:24 from that POV council and board are acting worse than worst users right now Dec 21 19:41:26 (in such a short time that is) Dec 21 19:42:15 Right thing to do is appoint one BoD member do the job. Only one person talks with pro admin which get's paid to oversee the migration, Dec 21 19:42:25 planning things with HF's interests in mind Dec 21 19:42:32 qwazix: they are not meant to be done from inside any such commitee at all Dec 21 19:42:40 HF is here to delegate Dec 21 19:42:51 not to do micromanagement on technical stuff Dec 21 19:43:27 yes that (my english skills are already on vacation) Dec 21 19:43:36 but they don't delegate at all, they oscillate between doing nothing and micromanagement Dec 21 19:44:43 where "doing nothing2 only means they probably do their lawyer talks during that time Dec 21 19:45:35 I'm pretty sure their plate is more than full with organizational stuff for getting funds etc, and finding proper arrangements to delegate responsibilities Dec 21 19:45:52 it looks like my phone died from low battery :) Dec 21 19:46:01 so they shouldn't talk to Nemein Dec 21 19:46:12 they should delegate that Dec 21 19:47:01 but what they do is not even inviting anybody to eventually delegate that stuff to, to such talks Dec 21 19:47:46 Million Dollar Question: We know the servers that are being bought, why is there no indication about the co-lo cost from Nemein? Dec 21 19:48:05 Doc: Again I beg of you.. Just hit someone who is responsible and DO NOT let the maemo die Dec 21 19:48:09 for Nemein as well as for my sysadmin friends and me that feels like we're doing 1st level help desk to a user called Hildon Foundation Dec 21 19:49:10 cya, my friend waiting for me Dec 21 19:49:18 bye Dec 21 19:49:34 cya Dec 21 19:49:46 spoofy: I'm not going to let maemo down, but again I'm not wonderwarthog, my powers are limited Dec 21 19:50:29 DocScrutinizer05: just.. Do what you can do best and keep in faith Dec 21 19:50:57 I can only make update's and port stuff to maemo to make it usable Dec 21 19:51:25 huh? how about taking a part time responsibility as a co-admin? Dec 21 19:51:26 and give a small donation Dec 21 19:51:29 Off Topic: how do you configure xchat to join after registering with nicserv? Dec 21 19:51:58 join channels? Dec 21 19:52:01 DocScrutinizer05: I can help if there will be a problem. I can secure whole platform Dec 21 19:52:23 DocScrutinizer05, yep Dec 21 19:52:30 spoofy: much appreciated, please mail me at joerg at openmoko dot org Dec 21 19:52:44 DocScrutinizer05: I will ;) Dec 21 19:52:51 qwazix: longpress on channel tab (not in tree config) Dec 21 19:52:58 add to favourites Dec 21 19:53:24 spoofy: rather: council at maemo dot org, CC Dec 21 19:53:37 DocScrutinizer05: i think he wants to wait for identification before joining Dec 21 19:53:51 ooh Dec 21 19:53:53 qwazix: login to the server with "user:pass" as the password Dec 21 19:54:01 yep Dec 21 19:54:01 and hope the services change your host before you join Dec 21 19:54:06 or use SASL Dec 21 19:54:08 which is the shit Dec 21 19:54:14 DocScrutinizer05, already in favorites, but it joins freenode, then channels, then registers nick Dec 21 19:54:22 yeah Dec 21 19:54:24 I know Dec 21 19:54:32 see kario's comment Dec 21 19:54:50 user:password as server password is the trick Dec 21 19:54:52 will try that, thanks Dec 21 19:55:14 use your 'root' account name Dec 21 19:55:31 ok Dec 21 19:55:40 which is qwazix as well, it seems Dec 21 19:55:45 DocScrutinizer05: you know you can change which one is your main one, right? Dec 21 19:55:46 yep Dec 21 19:56:05 no I don't know that Dec 21 19:56:14 [2012-12-21 20:55:28] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on qwazix (account qwazix): Dec 21 19:56:30 [2012-12-21 20:56:23] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on kerio (account kerio): Dec 21 19:56:46 go change your account name please! ;-P Dec 21 19:56:48 DocScrutinizer05: ugh my mail client isn't working yet.. please mail me and describe all problems about servers and I'll see what I can do : spoofy at os dot pl ;) Dec 21 19:56:49 why? Dec 21 19:57:00 you're the weird one Dec 21 19:57:04 as you claimed it can be done? Dec 21 19:57:15 Will the N900 charge faster on a 4A charger? Dec 21 19:57:21 no Dec 21 19:57:26 cya fellas Dec 21 19:57:34 qwazix; nope. Dec 21 19:57:34 ping me on DocScrutinizer51 Dec 21 19:57:39 if some emergency Dec 21 19:57:46 DocScrutinizer05: /ns set accountname Dec 21 19:57:56 o.O Dec 21 19:57:57 ShadowJK, what's the max that it can take advantage of? Dec 21 19:58:09 kerio: thanks Dec 21 19:58:25 B :) Dec 21 19:58:28 B:) Dec 21 19:58:31 qwazix: 1A Dec 21 19:58:32 B) DEAL WITH IT Dec 21 19:58:38 dammit you broke the combo Dec 21 19:58:49 DocScrutinizer05, thanks Dec 21 19:58:50 DocScrutinizer05: isn't it 1.1? Dec 21 19:59:07 kerio: more like 0.95 Dec 21 19:59:20 possibly less Dec 21 19:59:48 but that doesn't make the world go down Dec 21 19:59:52 qwazix; the maximum power it will charge battery with is 4.2V 0.95A. Dec 21 20:00:18 ~0.95*4.2/5 Dec 21 20:00:18 0.798 Dec 21 20:00:22 So 5V/1A input should cover that fine Dec 21 20:00:35 ~0.95*4.2/5 / 0.8 Dec 21 20:00:35 0.9975 Dec 21 20:00:35 So if I plug it in an 4A charger, it will just use 0.95 right? Dec 21 20:00:42 yes Dec 21 20:00:43 for 80% efficiency Dec 21 20:00:45 No harm doing it? Dec 21 20:00:56 no Dec 21 20:00:58 As long as it's 5V, no harm Dec 21 20:01:04 o/ Dec 21 20:01:14 \o Dec 21 20:01:28 ShadowJK, thanks. Dec 21 20:06:53 AGPS data use for 3 hours: 300kbyte Dec 21 20:07:12 (gps active, indoors, only occasional gps fixes succeed) Dec 21 20:25:14 qwazix: use ZNC or another irc bouncer, and you're rid of that login problem Dec 21 20:25:54 * qwazix notes down to read about irc bouncers Dec 21 20:26:19 do a /whois on my nick Dec 21 20:26:53 an irc bouncer is basically a proxy Dec 21 20:28:19 Yes, I see the result in the other tab, I suppose pratchett.freenode.net is the bouncer? Dec 21 20:28:20 hm Dec 21 20:28:33 ShadowJK: that's not a lot Dec 21 20:28:40 nope Dec 21 20:29:02 my bouncer runs on my lagrange server Dec 21 20:29:24 aka maemo cloud-7 de Dec 21 20:29:27 ok, that was my next guess :) Dec 21 20:29:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vppbdf-qtGU ? Dec 21 20:29:38 oh, not that la grange :( Dec 21 20:30:59 So you are always logged in there (cloud7), and you just access it from your pc? Dec 21 20:31:26 I access the bouncer from my n900 Dec 21 20:31:39 and the bouncer is always logged in Dec 21 20:31:50 and keeps backscroll for me Dec 21 20:31:54 sounds cool. Dec 21 20:32:04 it is cool Dec 21 20:32:10 see PM Dec 21 20:32:14 query Dec 21 22:40:45 dang Dec 21 22:40:51 SpeedEvil: ping Dec 21 22:41:41 SpeedEvil: could you please bounce the 11W laser URLs of this morning Dec 21 22:43:05 sitting in a pub with a friend and my IRC connectivity sucks for everything more than 5h ago Dec 21 22:53:33 http://www.ebay.de/itm/LASER-11-WATT-Copper-Vapor-Laser-Kupferdampflaser-/140897424720#ht_2456wt_1396 Dec 21 22:53:46 DocScrutinizer51: -^ Dec 22 00:14:12 Corsac: thanks, too late but thanks Dec 22 00:20:30 DocScrutinizer05: blocking a move outside US is one thing... coming up with an as totally sane as idea to move to china is another... right? Dec 22 00:21:56 oarschluuuch, sprich deutsch Dec 22 00:23:31 DocScrutinizer05: sorry, was washing up. Dec 22 00:24:10 SpeedEvil: scott shut up! Dec 22 00:24:41 did you actually have a specific use in mins for it? Dec 22 00:24:43 mind Dec 22 00:31:47 chem|st: >>with an as totally sane as idea to move to<< SORRY' Dec 22 00:32:47 SpeedEvil: I'm drunk, sorry! ask me tomorrow Dec 22 00:37:49 SpeedEvil: 11Wlaser Dec 22 00:37:53 ? Dec 22 00:39:04 SpeedEvil: sorry, bI asked you Dec 22 00:39:26 s/b// Dec 22 00:39:28 DocScrutinizer05 meant: SpeedEvil: sorry, I asked you Dec 22 00:40:25 ~botsnaqck Dec 22 00:40:46 ~botsnack Dec 22 00:40:47 :), DocScrutinizer05 Dec 22 00:42:44 :-) Dec 22 01:02:06 SpeedEvil: how's life? Dec 22 01:02:43 OK. toothache still a bit. Dec 22 01:39:47 hi Dec 22 01:43:52 SpeedEvil, take it out with a rock like Castaway. Dec 22 01:44:21 I was pondering using the dremel Dec 22 01:44:35 however, it mostly got better Dec 22 01:44:38 I started oil pulling a few days ago. Dec 22 01:44:47 so I am going to visit a dentist Dec 22 01:45:03 GeneralAntilles: lots of stuff said about that. Dec 22 01:45:11 Yeah, we'll see. Dec 22 01:45:19 if you find it useful, great. Dec 22 01:48:21 The detox idea is bullshit, but my dentist has recommended it based on improvements he's seen in other patients. Dec 22 01:48:55 DocScrutinizer05, what's the occasion? Dec 22 02:39:11 GeneralAntilles: errrSorry? Dec 22 02:44:01 DocScrutinizer05: I belive he asked for the occasion for your party :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 22 02:59:58 2012