**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 25 02:59:59 2012 Dec 25 06:21:22 i was running cssu i tried dist-upgrade it boots up and then dies, i think i know what the problem is, i had a lockon bootup i forgot to remove it before dist-upgrade how can i get it going again do i have to hard reset Dec 25 06:28:08 If you don't have BackupMenu, you will have to reflash if you can't get into the OS Dec 25 08:02:45 robbiethe1st i do have backup menu Dec 25 08:02:53 i can't bootup though Dec 25 08:33:55 iluminator105: dist-upgrade will prompt you to delete just about everything Dec 25 08:34:02 why the hell would you say "go"? Dec 25 08:34:52 i didnt know that, well i did, but i wasnt thinking Dec 25 08:35:22 kerio, what would be the correct of upgrading? Dec 25 08:37:20 bbl Dec 25 08:46:01 if you have to ask, use HAM Dec 25 09:19:35 hey, kerio suggests HAM Dec 25 09:20:11 DocScrutinizer05: my policy from now on is "if you're asking if you should use apt, you shouldn't use apt" Dec 25 09:20:40 indeed it's a running gag "I did dist-upgrade now fecked, hlpplz!" Dec 25 09:20:48 why? I'm using apt, and happying with it Dec 25 09:21:04 apt-get update and apt-get upgrade Dec 25 09:21:04 LaoLang_cool: did you ask whether or not you should use it? Dec 25 09:21:18 kerio: no... Dec 25 09:21:39 then you see Dec 25 09:21:50 I see you say "if you should use apt, you shouldnt use apt", I'm curious about that Dec 25 09:21:57 s/say/said/ Dec 25 09:21:57 LaoLang_cool meant: I see you said "if you should use apt, you shouldnt use apt", I'm curious about that Dec 25 09:22:55 LaoLang_cool: given the metapackage bullshit that went on with nokia (and, sadly, still goes on with cssu because HAM is still HAM and there's not really a good way to fix it), using apt requires a bit of care Dec 25 09:22:57 LaoLang_cool: read da whole sentence Dec 25 09:23:26 and of course i said "if you *asked* if you should use apt" Dec 25 09:24:10 DocScrutinizer05, kerio, oh, I understand now :) Dec 25 09:24:33 sorry for reading msg without context Dec 25 09:24:42 DocScrutinizer05: merry sdlmess! Dec 25 09:24:48 actually reading half msg Dec 25 09:24:58 ok ;p Dec 25 09:25:22 kerio: thanks, same to you Dec 25 09:25:58 this reminds me, i should check if my romset is still up to date Dec 25 09:26:21 I should check my socks Dec 25 09:26:45 still at 0.147, i'm skipping the "u" releases Dec 25 09:26:54 should i download MESS roms too, i wonder Dec 25 09:27:49 holy shit the chds for mess are 772gb Dec 25 09:34:09 +xmess Dec 25 09:34:15 ~xmess Dec 25 09:34:16 methinks xmess is the X Multi Emulator Superior System, http://x.mame.net/, or ask me about xmame Dec 25 09:34:34 ~xmame Dec 25 09:34:35 http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/xmame Dec 25 09:34:37 xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline Dec 25 09:35:08 and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess Dec 25 09:39:03 ~mame Dec 25 09:39:04 well, mame is interest's hidden wowhead alt. Dec 25 09:39:49 DocScrutinizer05: wtf, arcade games emulator Dec 25 09:39:57 *the* emulator Dec 25 09:40:02 I know, she doesn't Dec 25 09:40:21 you sounded like her Dec 25 09:40:25 ;-) Dec 25 09:41:09 wtf is ~mame? Dec 25 09:41:16 doesn't even parse here Dec 25 09:41:36 interest's hidden wowhead alt - WTF?! Dec 25 09:41:57 ~factinfo mame Dec 25 09:41:58 mame -- created by bignose-work at Wed Jun 7 07:11:15 2000 (4584 days); last modified at Thu Jul 23 16:15:55 2009 by Interest!n=mame_wow@97-113-102-153.tukw.qwest.net; it has been requested 7 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 2m 54s ago. Dec 25 09:43:11 hmmm Dec 25 09:43:42 [2012-12-25 10:43:28] [Whois] mame is ~mame@71.5.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp (Yusuke Endoh) Dec 25 09:46:51 ~mame is *the* emulator. xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess Dec 25 09:46:52 ...but mame is already something else... Dec 25 09:47:06 infobot: no, mame is *the* emulator. xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess Dec 25 09:47:08 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Dec 25 09:48:21 ~xmame is also see mame Dec 25 09:48:22 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Dec 25 09:51:36 for the e*_s of this world: /msg info mame. somebody used that nick when it been long known for the software, and he even abandoned the registration. now somebody else is using that nick despite there's a valid though expired nickserv registration. So I'm reclaiming original meaning for infobot Dec 25 09:51:56 /msg nickserv info mame Dec 25 09:51:58 even Dec 25 09:53:22 hmm, i've borked my N900. Dec 25 09:53:35 no services run now, eg dnsmasq Dec 25 09:53:46 hmmm Dec 25 09:54:22 what did you do? Dec 25 09:54:33 what i did was to adjust the size of MyDocs & /home/. Dec 25 09:54:41 oooh! Dec 25 09:54:45 according to GPrated, all went well Dec 25 09:54:52 *Parted Dec 25 09:55:07 nah, "rated" was correct ;-P Dec 25 09:55:35 lol Dec 25 09:56:08 otherwise the N900 seems to still be working ok :-/ Dec 25 09:56:35 loopback interface doesn't work unless i bring it up using ifconfig Dec 25 09:57:23 and of course, with dnsmasq not running, i have to manually set /etc/resolv.conf Dec 25 09:59:25 hmm, no audio Dec 25 10:00:50 mplayer works though, with sound. Dec 25 10:01:38 I guess you more or less borked your /opt Dec 25 10:01:45 having not made a recent backup, lol, maybe i'm looking at a reflash, eew Dec 25 10:02:11 see Dec 25 10:02:13 ~jrtools Dec 25 10:02:15 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Dec 25 10:02:23 if you go for a reflash Dec 25 10:02:45 you might want to patch your image for more /home Dec 25 10:03:01 i'm going to compare my current /opt with the last one i backed up Dec 25 10:03:13 DocScrutinizer05: meh, the 768mb that you gain by removing the swap partition are good enough imo Dec 25 10:03:16 :D Dec 25 10:03:31 my /home was 8GB, but now i resized it to 6GB Dec 25 10:03:47 Sicelo: how did you resize it, exactly? Dec 25 10:04:04 downsizing never really works, I'd say Dec 25 10:04:27 DocScrutinizer05: resize2fs via usb mass storage from a recent linux would've made it work Dec 25 10:04:28 you probably nuked 25% of your /opt Dec 25 10:05:11 i used gparted. when i expanded /home a year ago, i used the same tool without any issues Dec 25 10:05:17 only that /home isn't exported via mass storage Dec 25 10:05:19 ...WHAT Dec 25 10:05:22 just gparted? Dec 25 10:05:34 yes Dec 25 10:05:37 DocScrutinizer05: ofc i meant the whole emmc exported via g_file_storage from rescueos or backupmenu Dec 25 10:05:49 backupmenu here Dec 25 10:06:10 hm, apparently gparted can also shrink/grow ext3 Dec 25 10:06:20 it can Dec 25 10:06:30 it starts with "G", it can't work Dec 25 10:06:33 haha Dec 25 10:07:00 NB grep starts with "gr" Dec 25 10:07:12 gparted starts with "gp" Dec 25 10:07:17 nope Dec 25 10:07:34 it's not GP-arted Dec 25 10:07:42 g rep Dec 25 10:07:57 i have to look carefully at the init scripts & other related ones. Dec 25 10:08:02 you got NFC what grep means, do you? Dec 25 10:08:22 i'm sure my solution lies there, or rather, i suppose Dec 25 10:08:32 DocScrutinizer05: g/re/p Dec 25 10:08:56 dnsmasq works ok if i start it manually for example.. Dec 25 10:11:58 Sicelo: I'd start with checking syslog Dec 25 10:12:08 carefully Dec 25 10:12:19 sure. i will. thanks :-) Dec 25 10:14:39 DocScrutinizer05: gnome/regular expression/printf :P Dec 25 10:19:39 ~lart kerio Dec 25 10:19:39 * infobot hits kerio with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha Dec 25 10:23:32 ~weather EDDN Dec 25 10:23:47 Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. Dec 25 10:23:54 dafaq Dec 25 10:24:11 ~weather EDDN Dec 25 10:24:14 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.12.25 1020 UTC; Dew Point: 39 F (4 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.71 in. Hg (1006 hPa); Relative Humidity: 66%; Temperature: 50 F (10 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (150 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT) Dec 25 10:24:20 \o/ Dec 25 10:25:49 70kph winds here :< Dec 25 10:26:45 that's a bit too much Dec 25 10:30:27 usually I do holiday near LXGB to enjoy similar weather during xmess Dec 25 10:30:36 ~weather LXGB Dec 25 10:30:39 Gibraltar, Gibraltar; (LXGB) 36-09N 005-21W 0M; last updated: 2012.12.25 0950 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 82%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (270 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT) gusting to 26 MPH (23 KT) Dec 25 10:31:18 hmm well, 5°C more Dec 25 11:26:47 it appears that my problems stemmed from u-boot Dec 25 11:26:57 now all is back to normal Dec 25 11:27:39 Sicelo: no dnsmasq since uBoot? DUH! Dec 25 11:28:21 doesn't sound right Dec 25 11:29:24 lol, like my changes to the FS. been using u-boot happily, until i made changes to partitions. after removing u-boot, all works fine, heh Dec 25 11:29:48 s/like/i guess u-boot didn't like/ Dec 25 11:29:48 Sicelo meant: lol, i guess u-boot didn't like my changes to the FS. been using u-boot happily, until i made changes to partitions. after removing u-boot, all works fine, heh Dec 25 11:37:24 dang Dec 25 11:40:54 still, the whole thing has some educational value to me :P Dec 25 11:50:53 u-boot? partitions? Dec 25 11:56:06 Hurrian: yep, exactly Dec 25 11:56:24 nfc how uboot is related to partitions Dec 25 11:56:44 isn't the only thing it deal with the eMMC, partition1, FAT32? Dec 25 11:56:59 and particularly how uboot could spoil dnsmasq et al, depending on that relationship Dec 25 11:57:12 it complains when faced with broken fat32, but otherwise it should Just Work (tm) Dec 25 11:57:21 :nod: Dec 25 11:57:44 DocScrutinizer05: now I wanted to shoot another xmas upgrade and all I have doesn't build... :( Dec 25 11:58:03 uboot could fsckup mtdparts, but that would only mess up NAND partitions Dec 25 11:58:18 chem|st: DAMN!! Dec 25 11:58:30 that's really annoying mess Dec 25 11:59:17 I wonder what broke since your last build Dec 25 12:01:03 chem|st: please keep in mind that unlike cssu-t the users of cssu-s are NOT supposed to need a reflash ever Dec 25 12:01:59 at least not due to some problems with cssu-s Dec 25 12:02:06 so please doublecheck Dec 25 12:02:37 talk with merlin1991 how to do a hidden test rollout Dec 25 12:03:12 i understand, lol. however, there remains the fact that this morning i adjusted my partition sizes (and only that), after which my device no longer worked normally. afterwards, i made no other changes to configs, etc, except just removing u-boot, and reflashing kernel. the end result is that my N900 works normally Dec 25 12:06:02 removing uboot might also change stuff in etc/bootmenu/ Dec 25 12:06:45 which in turn could mess up init, since actually /etc/bootmenu is for a menu *after* booting kernel, during early init process Dec 25 12:07:11 I blamed that concept since pali introduced it Dec 25 12:07:32 it's just not right Dec 25 12:08:50 chem|st: just download SDK vmware image and use it Dec 25 12:09:37 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if running a VM in a VM is a good idea Dec 25 12:09:57 btw, i found that flasher (at least the one called when flashing kernel from inside N900) depends on loopback interface working, otherwise it can't flash. DocScrutinizer05, dnsmasq was just an example of something that suddenly didn't work. lots of other things didn't, including playing music in Media Player (which was working in mplayer) Dec 25 12:10:27 yep, got that Dec 25 12:11:14 first shot: mounting /opt failed Dec 25 12:11:27 or /opt is corrupted Dec 25 12:11:55 however I wouldn't know how to fix that by removing uBoot Dec 25 12:12:21 /opt had mounted ok Dec 25 12:12:48 unless one of the entries in /etc/bootmenu (or whatever the path) caused bootmenu to throw errors that forbid proper mounting of /opt Dec 25 12:12:51 freemangordon: where can i find the vmware image? Dec 25 12:13:27 freemangordon: could I run vmware on a vserver? Dec 25 12:13:58 Sicelo900: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Dec 25 12:14:08 DocScrutinizer05: don;t see a reason why not Dec 25 12:14:23 oh, thanks. never thought to check there :P Dec 25 12:14:39 yeah, I don't *see* a reason, it just *feels* :-O Dec 25 12:15:10 thedead1440: ^^^^ we got that backuped? Dec 25 12:16:32 DocScrutinizer05: ofcourse freemangordon gave me that last week and its done ;) Dec 25 12:17:38 i've been doing up a full list of what we have so its taken sometime as i've been double and triple checking the backups :D Dec 25 12:21:09 thedead1440: wiki.maemo.org? Dec 25 12:21:30 thedead1440: and if so, what/how exactly? Dec 25 12:21:40 wiki is the same one as on maemo.wedrop.it Dec 25 12:21:50 mhm Dec 25 12:22:07 it would be preferred if we could get it from Nemen instead Dec 25 12:22:15 indeed Dec 25 12:22:43 talking to Bergie is on my todo list Dec 25 12:22:58 thank you Dec 25 12:23:04 that would be great Dec 25 12:23:30 for wiki that would be another mysql dump Dec 25 12:23:46 Merry Christmas, #maemo! Dec 25 12:23:47 http://i.imgur.com/WZ2MV.jpg Dec 25 12:24:08 DocScrutinizer05: unfortunately we don't have much options ;) Dec 25 12:24:27 the probelm is it again contains user account data Dec 25 12:24:41 oh no not that again Dec 25 12:25:36 maybe we should get a small vps in the us that would satisfy the board, get the data then transfer it over ;) Dec 25 12:26:04 well, that's your daily ohnoes as sysadmin. Otherwise we really could outsource maintenance to community volunteers Dec 25 12:26:47 in case they fsck up the whole system, roll back to yesterday's full backup Dec 25 12:26:57 yup Dec 25 12:28:17 but since every system has account proprietary data, you mustn't admit sysadmin access to arbitrary people Dec 25 12:28:23 true Dec 25 12:37:27 but I think if the user data (password, email, question/answer pw-recovery, location, age, whatever) is actually in same database as wiki, the according tables/columns could get filtered or dropped prior to the dump Dec 25 12:37:45 and this time it's not about location of server :-) Dec 25 12:37:52 then? Dec 25 12:38:20 it's just about not handing out user data to the "general public" Dec 25 12:38:27 (sorry no offense) Dec 25 12:38:37 no prob; fully understood Dec 25 12:39:26 actually one more way would be to encrypt the dump, upload it to the backup server and if your'll need it your'll can download it and unencrypt it Dec 25 12:39:51 that's what I planned to suggest to Reggie for tmo Dec 25 12:40:21 that's another for your todo list :p Dec 25 12:40:41 for wiki the user accounts are of so marginal relevance, we simply should drop them for backup Dec 25 12:40:51 yup that would be better Dec 25 12:41:16 and thus make the backup approved-for-public-use Dec 25 12:42:57 hell, every user could get that backup and run his own local knowledge-base Dec 25 12:43:11 haha true Dec 25 12:45:01 time to kick infobot's lazy arse Dec 25 12:45:19 the nap been long enough Dec 25 12:45:28 you love infobot ah :p on average every few hours its kicked :D Dec 25 12:46:00 triggering reboot Dec 25 12:46:16 I hope it's not a connectivity issue Dec 25 12:46:20 or a brownout Dec 25 12:47:03 lol Dec 25 12:47:27 nah, should be back in 5, 4, 3,... Dec 25 12:47:52 timeout :D Dec 25 12:48:08 [2012-12-25 13:47:40] [Notify] infobot is online (irc.freenode.net). Dec 25 12:48:13 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Dec 25 12:48:34 ~wb Dec 25 12:48:35 thx Dec 25 12:48:45 ~+uptime Dec 25 12:48:47 - Uptime for apt - Dec 25 12:48:48 Now: 1m 27s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Dec 25 12:48:48 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Dec 25 12:48:48 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Dec 25 12:48:48 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Dec 25 12:49:19 ~+status Dec 25 12:49:20 Since Tue Dec 25 12:47:18 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 2m 1s this session, and currently reference 118847 factoids. I'm using about 18392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.89/0.08 child 0/0 Dec 25 12:49:29 0 morons? Dec 25 12:50:04 moron is when somebody gives a command that's totally fsckdup and way too long Dec 25 12:50:14 ah Dec 25 12:50:17 she answers sth like "you lost me on that one" Dec 25 12:51:15 I think it doesn't really work Dec 25 12:51:17 ~why does DocScrutinizer05 kick your ass every now and then? Dec 25 12:51:18 why not? Dec 25 12:51:33 ;-P Dec 25 12:51:37 haha Dec 25 12:54:39 ~literal cmd: why (.*?) Dec 25 12:54:40 "cmd: why (.*?)" is "($foo): why not?" Dec 25 12:54:56 ah no wonder Dec 25 12:57:40 ~why do infobots suck donkeyballs Dec 25 12:57:41 Because the Kleenex elf hates infobots. Dec 25 12:59:06 ~literal cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) Dec 25 12:59:06 "cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?)" is "($1,$2): Because (God|the underpants gnome|the Kleenex elf|RMS's pet gnu|Tux|your mommy|your daddy|your girlfriend) hates $1." Dec 25 13:00:52 oh god you really work on this Dec 25 13:01:49 ~why have you not obtained the kleenex-elf Dec 25 13:01:50 why not? Dec 25 13:03:08 ~factinfo cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) Dec 25 13:03:09 cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) -- created by greycat <~wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Tue Oct 8 14:14:49 2002 (3730 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 5m 27s ago. Dec 25 13:03:30 10 years and used only 3 times? Dec 25 13:03:46 the statistics seem to get reset every now and then Dec 25 13:03:56 ah Dec 25 13:04:36 ~factinfo joerg Dec 25 13:04:37 joerg -- created by jOERG at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1524 days); it has been requested 45 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 20h 12m 38s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. Dec 25 13:04:41 ooh Dec 25 13:04:48 not frequently though Dec 25 13:05:30 ah so you joined here with the n810 Dec 25 13:05:34 ~listkeys why Dec 25 13:05:36 Factoid search of 'why' by key (11 of 79): 'why ;; +, why ;; - why ;; ? why ;; another confuse not clear , why ;; any one experience with the jtag cable - why ;; apt- why ;; by the way, if you're wondering why the channel ;; do you know why libm ;; dont see why it shouldnt be, it ;; i don't know why the buildroot blob. Dec 25 13:06:55 lots of factoids created by morons thinking it's funny to start their post with bot's attention char Dec 25 13:07:24 hehe Dec 25 13:08:15 sometimes when bored, I clean up the factoid database from such crap Dec 25 13:08:28 ~forget another confuse not clear , why Dec 25 13:08:29 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot another confuse not clear , why Dec 25 13:08:43 lol Dec 25 13:08:44 ~forget any one experience with the jtag cable - why Dec 25 13:08:46 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot any one experience with the jtag cable - why Dec 25 13:09:04 ~forget by the way, if you're wondering why the channel Dec 25 13:09:05 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot by the way, if you're wondering why the channel Dec 25 13:09:24 ~forget do you know why libm Dec 25 13:09:25 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot do you know why libm Dec 25 13:09:46 ~forget dont see why it shouldnt be, it Dec 25 13:09:47 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot dont see why it shouldnt be, it Dec 25 13:09:59 wow Dec 25 13:10:12 this is like moderating TMO in a way :p Dec 25 13:10:27 I'm not doing this very often Dec 25 13:10:48 just feeling bad when I don't, after some listkeys shown such crap Dec 25 13:11:05 understood Dec 25 13:12:07 ~literal +, why Dec 25 13:12:08 "+, why" is "Tangent the one that is lucky?" Dec 25 13:12:28 ~forget +, why Dec 25 13:12:28 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot +, why Dec 25 13:13:03 ~factinfo - why Dec 25 13:13:04 DocScrutinizer05: no extra info on - why Dec 25 13:13:25 ~factinfo "- why" Dec 25 13:13:26 DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as "- why" Dec 25 13:13:35 GRRR Dec 25 13:13:38 ~why not? Dec 25 13:13:39 why not? Dec 25 13:13:47 hehe beat it :D Dec 25 13:13:51 ~- why Dec 25 13:13:52 well, - why is the char width and height so important? Dec 25 13:14:15 ~forget - why Dec 25 13:14:15 i forgot - why, DocScrutinizer05 Dec 25 13:14:20 ~- why Dec 25 13:14:26 :nod: Dec 25 13:15:05 ~factinfo "? why" Dec 25 13:15:06 DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as "? why" Dec 25 13:15:31 ~factinfo ? why Dec 25 13:15:32 ? why -- created by novent93 at Wed Oct 26 15:43:32 2005 (2616 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. Dec 25 13:15:59 ~? why Dec 25 13:16:00 rumour has it, ? why is that, not root but why can't i speak? Dec 25 13:16:16 ~forget ? why Dec 25 13:16:17 i forgot ? why, DocScrutinizer05 Dec 25 13:17:51 ~why Dec 25 13:17:51 Because! Dec 25 13:36:58 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php this link was posted by thp on tmo; freemangordon isn't it scratchbox after all? Dec 25 13:41:07 thedead1440: you need that token in SB Dec 25 13:41:31 to enable "nokia-binaries" repo Dec 25 13:41:37 so its a random generated one everytime you install scratchbox? Dec 25 13:42:01 no, it is constant Dec 25 13:42:02 if we have the nokia-binaries wouldn't it make the token redundant then? Dec 25 13:42:21 oh ok Dec 25 13:42:22 the token is not random generated Dec 25 13:42:25 :D Dec 25 13:42:43 I am not sure I get the idea behind that :) Dec 25 13:42:52 me too :S Dec 25 13:54:32 it seems to me in recent SB installs the token already ships with the installation Dec 25 13:54:44 or it's not needed anymore Dec 25 13:55:35 anyway it seemed to me that I had nokia binaries installed, without fuzzing around with that token Dec 25 13:56:00 I could be wrong Dec 25 13:58:07 DocScrutinizer05: that's what i think too; the scratchbox.org/debian/dists/fremantle/ link seems to have nokia-binaries Dec 25 13:58:14 hm, according to TMO, flash 10 is now available.. how and when did that happen? Dec 25 13:58:50 it 'leaked' from TI(?) page, and I think it's basically useless Dec 25 13:59:18 "basically useless" well it's not faster or anything I guess Dec 25 13:59:53 but I once tried to run a flash game on n900 which apparently requires flash 10.. just faking version number wasn't enough due to random glitches Dec 25 14:00:02 so a working flash 10 would be neat Dec 25 14:00:24 but that version afaik is not "working" Dec 25 14:00:41 since it's not built for maemo Dec 25 14:00:48 it's 'generic' Dec 25 14:00:53 I understand Dec 25 14:01:07 So it works worse than the 9.5 version? Dec 25 14:01:21 basically that's what I heard Dec 25 14:01:25 iirc Dec 25 14:01:27 what's the command to jam up wireless Dec 25 14:01:31 Ok Dec 25 14:01:42 Thanks for the info anyway :p Dec 25 14:01:55 yw, but please take it with a grain of salt Dec 25 14:02:22 if a bunch of people with iphones are playing some stupid wireless game, what's the command you can do that "jams" the wifi in an area around your n900 Dec 25 14:02:27 no way you should feel discouraged to test for yourself, YMMV Dec 25 14:02:43 yeah I'll look into it Dec 25 14:02:53 Gear: aah, that one Dec 25 14:03:13 but you said it was leaked ... I assume it's not that easy to get hold of then Dec 25 14:03:28 as legal issues may arise if it's simply posted randomly in tmo Dec 25 14:03:42 http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html Dec 25 14:04:14 (^^^ jam) Dec 25 14:05:14 DocScrutinizer05: lol Dec 25 14:05:49 yeah I'm not great with "hacking" Dec 25 14:05:57 hahaha Dec 25 14:06:18 do I replace RiVERDALE with whatever the wifi showing is Dec 25 14:07:22 and does the wifi SSID have to be completely open, what if it's password protected? Dec 25 14:08:22 Gear: use common sense for the first question, I bet it'll be enough Dec 25 14:08:28 dunno about the latter Dec 25 14:09:27 ok I'll try it on this laptop here Dec 25 14:09:38 I spose if I disconnect it worked Dec 25 14:10:29 remember, software like this should only be used to test your own network's security to let you fix issues :) Dec 25 14:11:46 I was going to use it at the airport to hack into the control tower and bring down planes Dec 25 14:11:56 Gear: read the comments Dec 25 14:12:00 has to be open wifi Dec 25 14:12:02 on that blog Dec 25 14:12:48 you need powerkernel and the injection drivers for wl12xx Dec 25 14:13:22 I have cleven Dec 25 14:13:29 and powerkernel and all the usual upgrades Dec 25 14:13:33 and it doesn't matter if the AP/wifi-network is hidden-SSID or encrypted by wep or wpa* Dec 25 14:13:48 well, I can't seem to bring my own one down Dec 25 14:13:53 DocScrutinizer05: has cssu done any patches to apt? Dec 25 14:14:05 FIQ|n900: possible Dec 25 14:14:14 like the stupid localization weirdness about confirmation dialogs? Dec 25 14:14:26 iirc nokia crippled apt to obey some OVI shite. Dec 25 14:14:53 (in swedish localization, apt outputs english but expect swedish input for confirmations) Dec 25 14:14:53 also iirc eventually MohammadAG rolled that back Dec 25 14:15:13 BWAHAHA nice Dec 25 14:15:21 I.e. "do this? [y/N] y" will abort Dec 25 14:15:36 you'll have to type "j" (as in ja, "yes") instead Dec 25 14:15:59 or do `LANG=C apt foo bar` Dec 25 14:16:09 yeah that works too Dec 25 14:16:17 but is kind of hackish Dec 25 14:16:25 sure Dec 25 14:16:37 better to fix apt in the long run :p Dec 25 14:16:47 l10n for apt feels insane anyway Dec 25 14:17:09 the fix should be minor, because "y" doesn't conflict in swedish anyway (no is "nej", so...) Dec 25 14:17:19 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks no tool in man 8 should obey locale Dec 25 14:17:25 either allow both y and j, or only j Dec 25 14:17:31 er Dec 25 14:17:33 only y* Dec 25 14:17:41 rather, root account shouldn't have any specific locale Dec 25 14:18:45 what's "wlan0" ? Dec 25 14:18:46 so, probably the problem is incorrectly logging in to root via sudo gainroot instead of `root` Dec 25 14:19:00 Gear: your wlan interface Dec 25 14:19:09 which wlan interface Dec 25 14:19:15 the n900 one? Dec 25 14:19:19 sure Dec 25 14:19:27 it said no such device Dec 25 14:19:35 and I have it in injection mode Dec 25 14:19:39 then it's not enabled Dec 25 14:19:57 <-- genius Dec 25 14:20:10 ifconfig will tell you Dec 25 14:20:39 teotwaki: marry's xmess Dec 25 14:21:06 DocScrutinizer05: you toobe Dec 25 14:21:36 no such BSSID available Dec 25 14:21:50 when I typed the correct one in (mine) Dec 25 14:22:47 aint workin Dec 25 14:23:35 Gear: iwlist wlan0 scan Dec 25 14:24:13 interface doesn't support scanning? Dec 25 14:24:16 what the Dec 25 14:24:32 if your SSID is hidden, you might need to use the Address instead Dec 25 14:24:36 I have the packet injection drivers loaded and it's in monitor mode Dec 25 14:24:38 it's not hidden Dec 25 14:24:46 it is using wpa2 though Dec 25 14:24:59 in monitor mode it doesn't support scanning Dec 25 14:25:04 oh. Dec 25 14:25:24 monitor mode is special Dec 25 14:26:37 Gear: don't use the injection drivers if you're not actively using them. Dec 25 14:26:54 it won't work at all Dec 25 14:28:16 I'll try some other time Dec 25 14:34:09 "messy xmer" was a nice reply to my "merry xmess" Dec 25 15:41:10 Hi Dec 25 15:42:05 After updating u-boot from 2012.04 to 2012.10-rc3-1 I can no longer boot power51 kernel Dec 25 15:42:23 Only the attached u-boot kernel can boot Dec 25 15:49:10 you need the zImage for KP51 Dec 25 15:49:45 quickest way to get it is to install kernel-power-bootimg Dec 25 15:50:01 MetalGearSolid: did you run u-boot-update-bootmenu ? Dec 25 15:50:23 yes did that Dec 25 15:50:30 i already had kp51 installed Dec 25 15:50:41 and it could boot wid prior u-boot version Dec 25 15:50:58 although i did not uninstall the previous uboot version before updating Dec 25 15:51:45 you shot yourself in the foot. anyway, get the zImage first. you won't get anywhere without it Dec 25 15:52:10 i have the zimage in /boot Dec 25 15:52:21 do i need to reinstall power-bootimage Dec 25 15:52:48 you have zImage for KP51 in /boot? Dec 25 15:52:55 yes Dec 25 15:53:26 in that case, you need to also have a correct item file in /etc/bootmnu.d/ Dec 25 15:53:48 * /etc/bootmenu.d/ Dec 25 15:54:24 mine is like this.. Dec 25 15:54:28 yes Dec 25 15:54:29 that too Dec 25 15:54:39 ITEM_NAME="Maemo 5 / KP51" Dec 25 15:54:39 ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-kp51" Dec 25 15:54:43 ITEM_OMAPATAG="1" Dec 25 15:55:10 same here Dec 25 15:55:17 zImage name is different Dec 25 15:55:38 zImage-2.6.28.10-power51 Dec 25 15:56:23 of course. hmm, i'd say uninstall all versions of u-boot you have, reinstall a kernel (eg KP 51) then start again with u-boot Dec 25 15:56:58 shouldn't the sequence be Dec 25 15:57:17 uninstall u-boot , install it back, reinstall kp51 bootimage Dec 25 15:57:27 ? Dec 25 15:57:40 try that too Dec 25 16:00:05 ok thanks Dec 25 16:02:57 btw what is the different between zImage and uImage Dec 25 16:27:57 MetalGearSolid: did you or did you not run u-boot-update-bootmenu again? Dec 25 16:28:35 i did Dec 25 16:28:52 and? does the entry appear in the bootmenu? Dec 25 16:29:06 yes all the item configs are listed Dec 25 16:29:12 but they don't work? Dec 25 16:29:24 none other than attached kernel Dec 25 16:29:34 with what error message? Dec 25 16:29:38 (if any) Dec 25 16:29:39 previously i could even boot 3.5 Arch kernel Dec 25 16:29:47 now even that cannot boot Dec 25 16:29:58 also, does your eMMC have a vfat partition as the first one? Dec 25 16:30:11 and is that partition, in fact, mounted as MyDocs in maemo? Dec 25 16:30:46 If i open omap-fb Dec 25 16:30:55 i get some errors related to ubifs Dec 25 16:31:22 cannot open uni0:rootfs Dec 25 16:31:29 hm, are you on the latest uboot? Dec 25 16:31:32 *ubi0:rootfs Dec 25 16:31:37 yes Dec 25 16:31:42 just updated today Dec 25 16:31:43 oh, did you make your own bootmenu entry? Dec 25 16:31:44 rc3 Dec 25 16:31:54 you probably need to pass OMAPATAGS Dec 25 16:32:01 i did that also Dec 25 16:32:02 er, sorry, OMAPATAG Dec 25 16:33:40 do i need to have uImage in MyDocs\bootmenu.d Dec 25 16:34:12 MetalGearSolid: you need to have a zImage-kp51 file there, after you run u-boot-update-bootmenu Dec 25 16:34:21 yes zImage is there Dec 25 16:34:38 why did you make your own bootmenu file, btw? Dec 25 16:35:01 you're missing ITEM_OMAPATAG=1 Dec 25 16:35:08 Ohh i did not Dec 25 16:35:12 oh no wait, it's ther Dec 25 16:35:12 e Dec 25 16:35:22 I was using old u-boot 2012-04 Dec 25 16:35:28 hm, perhaps you have to remove the "" around it? it probably doesn't matter Dec 25 16:35:32 with the same item configs Dec 25 16:35:39 all of them worked Dec 25 16:35:39 MetalGearSolid: the old uboot had problems with hw revs different from 2101 Dec 25 16:35:54 when i updates i changed reusetag to omapatag Dec 25 16:35:57 ~pkg Dec 25 16:35:57 from memory, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 25 16:36:50 hm, it *should* work Dec 25 16:36:54 it says that i need to append a correct "root=" boot option Dec 25 16:37:10 are you sure that that zImage is KP51? Dec 25 16:37:18 yes Dec 25 16:37:33 i re-nstalled power-bootimage Dec 25 16:37:40 then ran update bootmenu Dec 25 16:38:02 and you're sure you installed the latest uboot in extras-devel Dec 25 16:38:06 hm Dec 25 16:38:34 btw during start it say mmc1 (part 0) is current device Dec 25 16:39:05 if you have a uSD inserted, the emmc is mmc1 i think Dec 25 16:39:20 u-boot 2012-10.rc3 Dec 25 16:45:33 once you start getting those errors, reflash kernel Dec 25 16:46:02 i just reflashed Dec 25 16:46:19 which kernel? Dec 25 16:46:56 power-bootimage kp51 Dec 25 16:47:16 that's not flashing a kernel Dec 25 16:49:24 Does anyone here know what kinda power the N800 wants? It doesn't like 5V/500mA USB is outputting - it's PSU says it outputs 5v/890mA Dec 25 16:53:35 i'd say 5v and enough As Dec 25 16:54:25 MetalGearSolid: delete MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/ and MyDocs/bootmenu.scr. uninstall u-boot* . switch off and reflash stock kernel. then you can reinstall your uboot again.. it does take some patience sometimes.. i've also got the ill-fated 2204 revision of N900 Dec 25 16:55:16 well it seems like 500 isn't enough Dec 25 17:00:19 ampharos: i'd say at least 1 Dec 25 17:00:31 to charge properly when the battery is near-empty Dec 25 17:02:23 no Dec 25 17:02:35 5.00V is not allowed Dec 25 17:02:49 :o Dec 25 17:04:21 5.2V with 1000mA current limit, 5.5V 700mA limit up to 11V 100mA limit Dec 25 17:04:57 the current limit must be implemented through powersupply dropping voltage to limit the current Dec 25 17:06:45 wat Dec 25 17:06:48 really Dec 25 17:07:07 so it needs a special charger Dec 25 17:07:10 weak :s Dec 25 17:09:13 It's so that it can reliable identify if someone tries to charge with usb Dec 25 17:09:43 4.8 - 5.2V is thenot accepted zone Dec 25 17:09:58 isn't it a different plug? Dec 25 17:10:11 sure Dec 25 17:13:00 http://www.http://www.herjulf.se/solar/charge-station/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf Dec 25 17:13:07 * ShadowJK wonders if that link works Dec 25 17:15:13 need a http gtld Dec 25 17:15:25 lol Dec 25 17:15:34 past fiailed a bit Dec 25 17:15:49 http://www.herjulf.se/solar/charge-station/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf Dec 25 17:16:00 pasting from google has become so difficult Dec 25 17:21:00 back; I don't have the battery installed, it was a broken one, so my N800 is operating commando Dec 25 17:21:52 batteryless operation of N8x0 through charging port is definitely not recommended Dec 25 17:22:36 why not? Dec 25 17:22:40 There's no regulation Dec 25 17:22:41 brownouts? Dec 25 17:22:44 i see Dec 25 17:22:46 like laptops then Dec 25 17:22:52 no Dec 25 17:23:05 Laptops are fine without batteries Dec 25 17:23:19 reinstalled the battery, will try again at 5v/500mah Dec 25 17:23:34 ampharos; you need 5.4V / 500mA Dec 25 17:23:45 5.00 is rejected Dec 25 17:24:52 yeah, turns right on with 5v 500ma Dec 25 17:25:05 this time, battery is installed, thing's plugged into PC Dec 25 17:25:17 the PC won't do shit wrt power Dec 25 17:26:10 Also the original N8x0 batteries were utter shite. If it's more than a year old or if it was empty more than couple of weeks it's ripe for replacement Dec 25 17:26:50 i am replacing it, just using orig battery Dec 25 17:27:21 they usually go so bad that the device rejects it and reboots when you try charge it :) Dec 25 17:28:52 but yeah, this aftermarket can just seem to turn it on and charge it in the little charging OS Dec 25 17:29:01 the N800 gives up charging in maemo Dec 25 17:29:24 On N900 the charger circuit on the phone converts the incoming 5V to 4.2V from battery. With some software changes you can make N900 run without battery, as long as you never exceed the max power the charging circuit can provide. Dec 25 17:29:27 I'll continue using the OEM PSU when I get the new battery Dec 25 17:30:53 ShadowJK: have those sw changes been done (documented) ? Dec 25 17:31:31 On N8x0 there's no conversion, the incoming power is fed straight to battery, there's just on/off control. That's why the voltages and current limits matter. Also, if you were trying to force it to run without battery, the internal power rails would have a lot higher voltage than designed for, because the battery is supposed to suck up and absorb the extra Dec 25 17:31:44 merlin1991; "battery hotswap" on tmo, iirc Dec 25 17:32:16 Was looking into getting an N900 though. I have a fuckton of the batteries the N900 uses; mainly because my mother has like 3 C3-00s Dec 25 17:32:22 battery hotswap is roughly what it's useful for, radio power bursts tend to be too high for 1A charge to cope with Dec 25 17:37:19 Thanks guys. I'm still kinda bitter the Maemo community adbandoned the N8x0 as soon as the N900 dropped Dec 25 17:40:51 ampharos: but the n900 is better! :c Dec 25 17:41:53 but I don't liek cell phones :( Dec 25 17:42:24 good, it's not a cell phone :D Dec 25 17:42:40 ampharos: it's a linux gadget that happens to have phone features :D Dec 25 17:44:18 Does it have any special HW features except the thing that it can lean on? :) Dec 25 17:46:41 fm transmitter Dec 25 17:46:53 and we have paket injection drivers for the wlan chip Dec 25 17:47:05 If it's the same FM transmitter that N97 uses, then well.... Dec 25 17:47:10 ampharos; you can buy one of my N900s, all its phone features are dead Dec 25 17:47:17 I'm hoping Jolla does do something like the N800 for people who don't want to pay the price hike for a modem though. Seriously, those seem to make up the markup of most phones I see. Dec 25 17:47:35 Shipping anywhere but Canada is insanely expensive. Dec 25 17:47:38 And yeah, I have no idea what packet injections are. YET. Dec 25 17:47:54 ampharos; ? Dec 25 17:47:58 Aoyagi_joytop: it's what you need to haxxor wireless networks ;) Dec 25 17:48:06 That I figured :D Dec 25 17:49:26 ampharos; btw, I recently bought an A-data ultra high speed uhs-i card for my N800, and put swap on it. Big improvement Dec 25 17:49:47 yeah, I put in a spare 2 GB SD card into it Dec 25 17:49:56 it's probably faster than the original 128 MB card Dec 25 17:50:13 which for some reason is an miniSD in an adapter. I have no idea why. Dec 25 17:50:55 In general, until this card I mentioned, cards have only gotten slower for random i/o since N800 came out Dec 25 17:51:12 so I wouldn't be so sure that 512M is slower :P Dec 25 17:51:25 Wait, N900 uses full sized cards? Dec 25 17:51:34 No Dec 25 17:51:43 N800 has 2 full sized SD slots Dec 25 17:51:49 oh Dec 25 17:51:52 N810 has 1 minisd slot Dec 25 17:51:53 cool Dec 25 17:52:00 N900 has 1 microsd slot Dec 25 17:52:06 Yeah, figures. Dec 25 18:13:07 ampharos: are you kidding me Dec 25 18:13:17 jolla will make an android clone, pretty much Dec 25 18:13:35 yeah. N9 looks like iClone Dec 25 18:13:55 still the community can probably fix the abortion that will be tizen or whatever it is today Dec 25 18:14:01 it changes every .4 femtoseconds Dec 25 18:14:14 all we want, really, is cordia HD Dec 25 18:19:02 i just want a Nxx0 with modern specs Dec 25 18:19:29 mobile data is useful, though Dec 25 18:19:37 it's too damn expensive here Dec 25 18:19:44 REALLY expensive Dec 25 18:19:55 well, don't use it then Dec 25 18:19:59 don't ruin this for us Dec 25 18:20:37 maybe a little port the modem and friends reside on Dec 25 18:21:01 I wondered why they never did that: you can switch GSM bands or even to a LTE or CDMA modem by swapping them out Dec 25 18:21:39 because it increases the complexity by A TON Dec 25 18:22:09 (complexity is measured in weight) Dec 25 18:26:00 anybody ever used jojodiff (jdiff)? Dec 25 18:26:46 any tips on what parameters to use for best compression (aka most accurate diff) and optimum speed? Dec 25 18:30:32 new CSSU-testing is live Dec 25 18:35:39 \o/ Dec 25 18:36:06 * infobot hands merlin1991 a full cookiejar Dec 25 18:36:24 * infobot ... and a fat cigar Dec 25 18:36:45 thanks infobot Dec 25 18:36:49 ;) Dec 25 18:37:02 she likes to get called 'apt' today Dec 25 18:37:36 thanks apt Dec 25 18:37:36 kerio: de nada Dec 25 18:38:06 but she's infobot! Dec 25 18:38:08 well then thanks apt :D Dec 25 18:38:29 though her text parsing isn't that context aware :D Dec 25 18:39:09 indeed Dec 25 18:39:55 thanks is first word she checks for, then apt anywhere in sentence I guess Dec 25 18:39:56 DocScrutinizer05: no problem Dec 25 18:40:49 while thanks as second word doesn't get recognized even when last word is apt Dec 25 18:41:15 funny enough she doesn't accept apt as direct call Dec 25 18:41:22 apt: cookie Dec 25 18:41:52 ~+uptime Dec 25 18:41:53 - Uptime for apt - Dec 25 18:41:54 Now: 5h 54m 35s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Dec 25 18:41:54 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Dec 25 18:41:54 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Dec 25 18:41:55 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Dec 25 18:42:29 seems random whether she comes up as apt, infobot, or purl Dec 25 18:43:05 ~die Dec 25 18:44:15 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Dec 25 18:44:23 omg zombie Dec 25 18:44:29 hi infobot Dec 25 18:44:30 ~+uptime Dec 25 18:44:32 - Uptime for purl - Dec 25 18:44:32 Now: 1m 7s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Dec 25 18:44:33 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Dec 25 18:44:33 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Dec 25 18:44:34 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Dec 25 18:44:45 who the hell is purl Dec 25 18:44:47 infobot: you're infobot Dec 25 18:44:49 nfc Dec 25 18:46:57 ~info cron Dec 25 18:46:58 cron: (process scheduling daemon), section admin, is important. Version: 3.0pl1-124 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 298 kB Dec 25 18:47:22 that's why apt Dec 25 18:47:35 ~purl Dec 25 18:47:35 rumour has it, purl is arrogant Dec 25 18:47:59 ~wiki purl Dec 25 18:48:03 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purl (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the drink|other meanings of "purl"|Purl (disambiguation)}} 'Purl' or 'wormwood ale' is an English drink. It was originally made by infusing ale with the tops of the wormwood plant,{{citation |url=http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=cdEGAAAAQAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA2 |title=A manual of pharmacy |author=Wilhelm Thomas Brande |year=1825}} especially the variety which grows in coastal ... Dec 25 18:48:49 uaergh Dec 25 18:49:27 Ale! I'd like some purl please. Dec 25 18:49:53 ~die Dec 25 18:49:54 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Dec 25 18:50:10 Of course you're lifeless, damn zombie. Dec 25 18:50:19 she's not a zombie! :( Dec 25 18:50:48 What else is dead then then it comes in yelling something about ale from worms? Dec 25 18:52:37 lol, and she got a very fine sense of humor: takes TWO shots in the head Dec 25 18:54:49 merry CMAs all! Dec 25 18:54:52 err Dec 25 18:54:54 Xmas Dec 25 18:55:12 merry sdlmess Dec 25 18:55:47 messy xmer, SpeedEvil Dec 25 18:56:57 :-) Dec 25 18:58:52 Equal bytes = 483374417 Dec 25 18:58:53 Data bytes written = 568871461 Dec 25 18:58:55 Overhead bytes written = 9051165 Dec 25 18:58:56 real 20m33.384s Dec 25 18:58:58 user 9m43.002s Dec 25 18:58:59 sys 2m33.515s Dec 25 18:59:01 oops, ECHAN Dec 25 18:59:44 anyway that's what you get by running jdiff against 2 HARM firmware.bin Dec 25 19:00:01 O.o Dec 25 19:00:18 indeed Dec 25 19:00:52 I'd suspected more identical parts in two arbitrary HARM firmwares of same revision Dec 25 19:01:27 hell, you probably could get that compression factor with mere bzip2 Dec 25 19:02:30 Oh... you don't mean the missiles. Dec 25 19:07:45 Archos actually makes tablet with internal usb port for modem Dec 25 19:08:25 I heard it's silly power hungry compared to having a proper modem :) Dec 25 20:48:24 USB *is* power greedy Dec 25 20:48:49 even ULPI Dec 25 20:49:40 but recently more modem chips with ULPI interface (pleonasm) appear Dec 25 20:50:38 see OMAP3 Mentorgraphics MUSB core - it eats 60mA just for being active Dec 25 20:54:14 it's a pity more stuff doesn't actively fallback to usb1 Dec 25 20:55:37 less power-hungry? Dec 25 20:55:54 yes Dec 25 20:56:16 still not exactly IRQ driven Dec 25 20:56:21 no Dec 25 20:56:45 well, as they say... Dec 25 20:58:16 but, the raw protocol is lots lower power to drive Dec 25 20:58:28 as it's glacially slow Dec 25 21:14:02 how do I reinstall the contacts on maemo Dec 25 21:14:15 its giving me a terrible problem since a couple of days Dec 25 21:17:41 kakashi_: you probably need to clean up and re'install' the database Dec 25 21:20:56 the files are /home/user/.osso-abook/* Dec 25 21:21:12 the package name is osso-addressbook Dec 25 21:22:12 there's no simple advice (except reflash and restore maemo-backup) on how to fix stuff in there Dec 25 21:22:42 at least I wouldn't know of any Dec 25 21:23:04 maybe somebody else has better advice for you Dec 25 21:29:12 uhh Dec 25 21:29:29 the psx4m installscript seems to have a typo on removal Dec 25 21:29:42 "dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/opt' not empty so not removed." at least it wasn't rm -rf Dec 25 21:30:15 * FIQ|n900 has no idea where to bugreport stuff related to packages Dec 25 21:34:39 FIQ|n900: against the package, on bugtracker Dec 25 21:34:51 if bugtracker still works Dec 25 21:35:34 otoh each package is supposed to have a bugreport link on package interface Dec 25 21:35:37 ~pkg Dec 25 21:35:43 somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 25 21:36:11 often that links to a tmo thread Dec 25 21:37:10 honestly what a nasty bug Dec 25 21:38:25 FIQ|n900: http://maemo.org/packages/view/psx4m/ Dec 25 21:39:15 FIQ|n900: you also should demote the pkg in testing Dec 25 21:41:00 FIQ|n900: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/psx4m/0.4.5-3/ thumb down, comment with bug description Dec 25 21:41:41 DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it Dec 25 21:42:56 DocScrutinizer05: hmm looks like psx4m, but dpkg said the problem was with the package psx4m-gui Dec 25 21:43:45 I guess you'll manage to spot the right page for that Dec 25 21:43:48 * FIQ|n900 checks around Dec 25 21:43:55 yeah, i'll look it up Dec 25 21:44:37 http://maemo.org/packages/ search, click, click "testing" Dec 25 21:45:42 no testing for the gui ;-P Dec 25 21:45:56 http://maemo.org/packages/view/psx4m-gui/ looks like it's in devel Dec 25 21:46:02 yup Dec 25 21:46:16 still has a bugtracker link Dec 25 21:46:34 pointing to tmo - surprise surprise Dec 25 21:46:40 :P Dec 25 21:46:53 tmo isn't really an organized place for reporting bugs Dec 25 21:47:11 for stuff under development it's just fine Dec 25 21:48:05 wont things potentially go unnoticed? Dec 25 21:49:11 yeah, given the severity and potential damage of that bug, you should *also* try to send a PM to the two devels Dec 25 21:50:56 also leave a comment on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/psx4m-gui/0.4-6.14.11/ Dec 25 21:51:42 though it might be in read-only mode at the moment Dec 25 21:51:49 try it anyway Dec 25 21:54:09 "you must be logged in" what kind of account exactly? garage? (all the different kind of accounts on maemo.org is kinda confusing imo) Dec 25 21:54:18 @ commenting on stuff Dec 25 21:54:38 "stuff" aka the package Dec 25 21:54:59 erryep, this should be garage SSO iirc Dec 25 21:55:56 I think garage and maemo.org in general have only one account/login, tmo has its own Dec 25 21:56:56 at least clicking on "register" beams you to a screen mentioning garage Dec 25 21:57:35 DocScrutinizer05: yes but it's in read-only mode atm Dec 25 21:57:43 :nod: Dec 25 21:57:45 so I can't create a new account Dec 25 21:58:01 you couldn't even login with existing account Dec 25 21:58:30 well I don't have any so it wouldn't help me if it worked :P Dec 25 21:58:49 but i'll try to pm devs Dec 25 22:01:15 huh? Dec 25 22:01:16 NOTABUG Dec 25 22:01:31 or, well, NOTREALLYABUG Dec 25 22:01:41 kerio: elaborate Dec 25 22:02:02 psx4m-gui adds the /home/opt directory Dec 25 22:02:05 which is already there, so it's ok Dec 25 22:02:19 so, on delete dpkg tries to delete it Dec 25 22:02:33 but it fails, because there's also something else there Dec 25 22:02:37 so it's ok Dec 25 22:02:42 because there's *always* something there Dec 25 22:02:51 errnope, I was able to login Dec 25 22:03:17 DocScrutinizer05: ok, but I can't register Dec 25 22:03:20 kerio: hmm Dec 25 22:03:22 like /usr/share/fonts, in a standard install Dec 25 22:04:42 so it shouldn't be reported then? Dec 25 22:04:51 hmm Dec 25 22:04:54 kerio: dafaq, when /home/opt doesn't exist, it's nonsense if a package creates it, since it's supposed to be a symlink from /opt Dec 25 22:04:55 at best it's "bad form" imo Dec 25 22:05:24 DocScrutinizer05: dafaq are you saying Dec 25 22:05:33 /home/opt is the actual directory Dec 25 22:05:42 /opt is the bindmount Dec 25 22:05:44 packages aren't supposed to create system stuff Dec 25 22:05:48 nor delete it Dec 25 22:05:50 you guys are conflicting.. Dec 25 22:05:51 as i said, bad form Dec 25 22:06:05 kerio: what I said Dec 25 22:06:08 speaking of bad form Dec 25 22:06:11 I also got this Dec 25 22:06:22 FIQ|n900: i suppose that the bug is that it uses /home/opt instead of /opt Dec 25 22:06:25 dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/user/.config/Team16/psx4m' not empty so not removed. Dec 25 22:06:44 that's even more bad form, yes Dec 25 22:06:55 should removal really fiddle with user directory? Dec 25 22:06:55 packages shouldn't put stuff in /home, really Dec 25 22:07:01 kerio: and no pkg is supposed to delete /bin or /usr/bin, nor /opt, and for sure not /home/opt Dec 25 22:07:06 s/removal/install/ Dec 25 22:07:06 FIQ|n900 meant: should install really fiddle with user directory? Dec 25 22:07:27 ..package installs, that is Dec 25 22:07:58 kerio: I've noticed another thing regarding software created by team16 (i.e. emulators) Dec 25 22:08:10 hell, this pkg has no idea where *my* 7opt actually lives! Dec 25 22:08:12 it's packaged like crap because they don't know wtf they're doing? Dec 25 22:08:13 They seem to chmod 777 *everything* they create Dec 25 22:08:17 hahaha wat Dec 25 22:08:19 nice Dec 25 22:08:27 FIQ|n900: why are you even considering their packages? Dec 25 22:08:58 kerio: because there wasn't another option.. except possibly creating my own package Dec 25 22:09:09 the software is good Dec 25 22:09:09 it's a ps1 emulator on a n900 Dec 25 22:09:12 the packaging is bogus Dec 25 22:09:13 the best option is to not use it Dec 25 22:09:18 because it's going to be disappointing Dec 25 22:09:28 kerio: I've already been Dec 25 22:09:31 hence removal Dec 25 22:09:34 lol Dec 25 22:10:07 Their ported GBA emulator on the other hand worked perfectly, but has same strange packaging issues Dec 25 22:10:26 installing in /home/opt is definetely a bug actually Dec 25 22:10:27 (just as ps1 emulator had) Dec 25 22:10:50 those guys should do 2 years on windows3.11, as a punishment for their packaging Dec 25 22:11:05 it wouldn't be punishment, they'd feel fine Dec 25 22:11:18 lol Dec 25 22:11:28 probably they're actually doing that all the time :-o Dec 25 22:13:08 also installing what i think are default settings from the package Dec 25 22:13:16 instead of having them somewhere and copying them in the user directory Dec 25 22:13:47 meh Dec 25 22:14:03 I don't need to hear more about that Dec 25 22:14:24 I already found right drawer for those "maintainers" Dec 25 22:14:50 nothing you could add will change that drawer they're in Dec 25 22:15:33 kerio: regarding ps1 emulation, I used an earlier made ps1 emulator which actually worked w/minor slowdown before, I tried this one mostly because users seemed to like it but it was actually worse (it ran fullspeed but with horrible sound and MAJOR random slowdowns every now and then) :p Dec 25 22:18:56 ~jr-tools Dec 25 22:18:56 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Dec 25 22:19:13 * FIQ|n900 messed up his xchat config Dec 25 22:19:22 time to copy/paste someone's :3 Dec 25 22:23:21 kerio: /opt is bindmount to /home/opt Dec 25 22:23:54 or whoever said it was the opposite Dec 25 22:25:29 nobody said the opposite Dec 25 22:25:57 I said symlink though, i guess Dec 25 22:26:19 which doesn't matter after all Dec 25 22:26:44 DocScrutinizer05: you said the opposite, you said that /home/opt is supposed to be a symlink from /opt Dec 25 22:27:04 wait, symlink *from*? Dec 25 22:28:07 yeah FROM Dec 25 22:28:22 I.E /opt is the symlink Dec 25 22:28:33 pointing to 7home/opt Dec 25 22:28:35 when is migration done btw? Dec 25 22:28:45 when it's done Dec 25 22:28:48 DocScrutinizer05: "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink" Dec 25 22:28:50 ok Dec 25 22:29:05 Hello Dec 25 22:29:06 we got no clear ETA Dec 25 22:29:16 ok Dec 25 22:29:17 hi lnxmen Dec 25 22:29:20 I can't save my photos... Dec 25 22:29:41 after a recent cssu update? Dec 25 22:30:03 maybe, week ago I upgrade everything Dec 25 22:30:08 kerio: wtf are you telling? Dec 25 22:30:21 DocScrutinizer05: the camera-ui issue that people who broke stuff in ~ had Dec 25 22:30:22 lnxmen: recent cssu update was today, so can't be that Dec 25 22:30:39 I don't care Dec 25 22:30:50 but there's that ofc :) Dec 25 22:30:53 you told "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink" Dec 25 22:31:06 that's what you said Dec 25 22:31:15 a symlink can't be "from" Dec 25 22:31:15 ORLY?? BS! Dec 25 22:31:19 uhh Dec 25 22:31:43 sorry for unknowingly trolling the channel Dec 25 22:31:52 FIQ|n900: nah, it's just me Dec 25 22:31:55 merlin1991: is thumb updated? Dec 25 22:32:15 well I was the one who started it.. Dec 25 22:32:32 FIQ|n900: not yet Dec 25 22:32:38 ok Dec 25 22:32:50 home/opt is symlinked from /opt Dec 25 22:33:00 ^^^true correct statement Dec 25 22:33:03 *bindmounted Dec 25 22:33:22 well, on maemo it's indeed mount -bind Dec 25 22:33:52 Any ideas about my problem? Dec 25 22:34:24 lnxmen: it might have been caused by a semi recent cssu update Dec 25 22:34:25 lnxmen: what's the content of your /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs file? Dec 25 22:34:38 lnxmen: check what's your setting for camera storage Dec 25 22:34:59 lnxmen: might point to non-existing uSD Dec 25 22:35:20 I haven't this file Dec 25 22:35:47 lnxmen: why? :s Dec 25 22:35:47 lnxmen: are you on cssu? Dec 25 22:36:12 lnxmen: then that's your problem I guess Dec 25 22:36:40 DocScrutinizer05: I can't check my setting for camera storage... Dec 25 22:36:41 ~curlpaste Dec 25 22:36:52 hm Dec 25 22:37:40 cssu? I didn't install it... Dec 25 22:38:04 lnxmen: if you're missing that file, you don't need to check your settings in camera. Just out of curiosity: why can't you check that setting? Dec 25 22:38:22 Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and somek site... any idea what I'm talking about? Dec 25 22:38:48 paste2pastebin? Dec 25 22:38:49 s/somek/some/ Dec 25 22:38:49 FIQ|n900 meant: Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and some site... any idea what I'm talking about? Dec 25 22:38:50 DocScrutinizer05: just to be sure, can you check if you have that file on t900? Dec 25 22:38:58 I have it Dec 25 22:39:06 on iroN900 Dec 25 22:39:10 because setting file doesn't exist? Dec 25 22:39:35 t900 duh, wouldn't bother to check, tbh Dec 25 22:39:49 DocScrutinizer05: which one is the stock one? Dec 25 22:40:06 well, t900 is the pr1.2+ stock one Dec 25 22:40:12 DocScrutinizer05: well, a simple shellscript allowing me to paste stdin to a pastebin site :P Dec 25 22:40:48 FIQ|n900: yeah, that stuff tends to break for me every 3 months, so I have to get a new script from somewhere Dec 25 22:41:13 a few days ago I found kde's taskbar pastebinner Dec 25 22:41:43 on N900 I had pastebinit for long time, I guess it's broken now Dec 25 22:43:26 DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it Dec 25 22:43:34 seems to be in repos Dec 25 22:44:02 IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 25 22:44:04 THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api Dec 25 22:44:25 :( Dec 25 22:44:33 worked fine Dec 25 22:44:38 ty Dec 25 22:44:42 ehm Dec 25 22:44:48 for me it worked Dec 25 22:44:48 :P Dec 25 22:44:54 duh Dec 25 22:45:00 I should update it Dec 25 22:45:13 v1.3 Dec 25 22:45:13 here Dec 25 22:45:36 Installed: 1.1-2maemo0 Dec 25 22:45:38 Candidate: 1.1-2maemo0 Dec 25 22:45:49 I should enable devel repo :-S Dec 25 22:45:56 dafaq Dec 25 22:46:14 you should :D Dec 25 22:46:18 >:D Dec 25 22:46:28 http://pastebin.com/3WsVRdjs is my userdirs also Dec 25 22:46:43 FIQ|n900: same here Dec 25 22:50:08 GOD! that takes longer than africa-erope geotectonic merge Dec 25 22:50:39 well, thats less than proton decay Dec 25 22:52:58 hmm if I save it - will it work? Dec 25 22:53:48 I mean user-dirs.dirs Dec 25 22:54:24 DAMN!!! Dec 25 22:54:46 lnxmen: probably Dec 25 22:57:21 wow, it finally displays those 9 updates Dec 25 22:57:45 At the moment it doesn't work. Should I reboot my N900? Dec 25 22:57:54 so this were like 10min for enabling extras catalog and listing updates Dec 25 22:58:07 lnxmen: probably Dec 25 22:58:27 okay Dec 25 22:58:29 at least those values are meant to be shell env Dec 25 22:59:33 uh? Dec 25 22:59:53 I cp-ed a directory from ~ to mydocs Dec 25 23:00:02 It proceed to copy stuff Dec 25 23:00:09 Then suddenly the whole system froze Dec 25 23:00:20 and now my time is set to show 12h clock Dec 25 23:00:20 Still doesn't work -,- Dec 25 23:00:29 I fail to see the relevance here Dec 25 23:00:42 between 12h clock and cp-ing a usermade directory Dec 25 23:02:07 Everything else was unchanged but this setting Dec 25 23:02:14 It doesn't make any sense for me Dec 25 23:02:20 FIQ|n900: weird things happen Dec 25 23:02:56 FIQ|n900: lemme put it this way: probably that setting is stored in a gconf key Dec 25 23:03:09 uh Dec 25 23:03:12 ok Dec 25 23:03:28 IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 25 23:03:29 http://pastebin.com/d79fYQPk Dec 25 23:03:31 this gconf thing Dec 25 23:03:34 thanks a lot :-D Dec 25 23:03:40 reminds me of windows registry Dec 25 23:03:48 it actually *is* Dec 25 23:03:59 ..not just by randomly breaking, but the structure of it Dec 25 23:04:22 didn't you know gnome is a copy of windows? Dec 25 23:04:32 well... Dec 25 23:04:38 I don't use gnome :p Dec 25 23:04:42 DE, that is Dec 25 23:04:55 and don't want to think of it too much Dec 25 23:05:21 that's why I start to frown as soon as any tool starts with a 'g' Dec 25 23:05:30 hahah Dec 25 23:05:37 but ehm Dec 25 23:05:58 so how much of the system is stored in the wannabe windows registry? Dec 25 23:06:09 I know the hold=sym thing is Dec 25 23:06:09 what about reinstall camera soft? Dec 25 23:06:23 but how much of system config is Dec 25 23:06:25 ? Dec 25 23:09:38 with blessn900 pictures can be stored Dec 25 23:10:30 please check your storage location setting in camera-ui Dec 25 23:10:53 where can I check this? Dec 25 23:11:57 in stock camera it's the icon lower left the second Dec 25 23:12:46 next to counter for "free" pictures Dec 25 23:16:58 free pictures for me is equal to 0 Dec 25 23:17:17 my storage setting is shadowed Dec 25 23:20:12 hmm, now that's weird Dec 25 23:20:49 do you have a uSD inserted? Dec 25 23:20:52 \nick FIQ|n900 Dec 25 23:20:55 DocScrutinizer05: nope Dec 25 23:21:10 could you? Dec 25 23:21:29 No I haven't Dec 25 23:22:25 Lastly I had inserted to check this slot Dec 25 23:22:45 lnxmen: please paste the output of ~# ls -ld /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ Dec 25 23:22:46 And I didn't make any pictures from this time Dec 25 23:23:00 I did some pictures Dec 25 23:23:17 so something should be in this path Dec 25 23:24:56 just a moment Dec 25 23:26:21 drwxrwxrwx 2 user root 65536 Dec 25 22:37 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ Dec 25 23:26:28 echo foo >/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x Dec 25 23:26:44 from root? Dec 25 23:26:54 from user Dec 25 23:27:22 ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x Dec 25 23:28:17 echo foo... works without message Dec 25 23:28:17 o.O Dec 25 22:37 ?? Dec 25 23:28:37 what did you do at 22:37? Dec 25 23:28:43 I don't know Dec 25 23:29:04 N900 Clock show me '00:28' Dec 25 23:29:29 seems this directory didn't exist before, so no wonder camera couldn't store pics to it Dec 25 23:30:32 nope, it existed Dec 25 23:31:15 I have some photos maked 20 days ago Dec 25 23:31:28 hmm Dec 25 23:31:36 in that dir? Dec 25 23:31:38 yes Dec 25 23:31:44 27 Nov Dec 25 23:31:46 hmmmm Dec 25 23:31:51 5 Dec x2 Dec 25 23:31:55 11 Dec Dec 25 23:32:06 and x file - today Dec 25 23:32:19 something fiddled with the perms? Dec 25 23:32:23 please do ~# killall camera-ui Dec 25 23:32:27 (or someone) Dec 25 23:32:33 from root :D Dec 25 23:32:40 FIQ|n900: perms are ok'ish Dec 25 23:32:42 and? Dec 25 23:33:12 then restart/open camera and check if you could take pictures Dec 25 23:33:31 Anyone know where the Maemo 5 QEMU images are? Dec 25 23:33:44 I downloaded the Qt SDK and they're still nowhere to be found. Dec 25 23:34:06 still I can't Dec 25 23:34:08 "maemo 5 qemu" "qt sdk" Dec 25 23:34:16 doesn't maemo 5 use scratchbox? Dec 25 23:34:36 oops, you need root to do the killall camera-ui Dec 25 23:34:44 I know Dec 25 23:34:50 I did it by root Dec 25 23:35:06 I'm short of simple ideas Dec 25 23:35:06 DocScrutinizer05: you said as root earlier :p Dec 25 23:35:12 strace camera-ui Dec 25 23:35:19 FIQ|n900, there's a QEMU image included with the Qt SDK for emulation purposed Dec 25 23:35:21 can't camera-ui show some kind of error? Dec 25 23:35:25 s/purposed/purposed/ Dec 25 23:35:32 eeh. Dec 25 23:35:42 I need to install strace yet... Dec 25 23:35:44 @ DocScrutinizer05 Dec 25 23:36:22 this command from user whether root? Dec 25 23:37:40 Hurrian: now that's an interesting substitution Dec 25 23:37:52 FIQ|n900, meh, quite sleepy. Dec 25 23:37:52 but ok Dec 25 23:38:21 I cannot, for the life of me find the Maemo 5 QEMU images :( Dec 25 23:40:56 http://pastebin.com/eBtZ0Up9 by root Dec 25 23:41:29 should I create this directories? Dec 25 23:42:17 hm Dec 25 23:44:53 dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui Dec 25 23:45:13 done Dec 25 23:45:15 without errors Dec 25 23:45:17 by root Dec 25 23:45:58 FIQ|n900: I'm looking for something like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49011, but IIRC there's a Fremantle image built by Nokia built just for running inside QEMU. Dec 25 23:46:01 still nothing -,- Dec 25 23:47:52 dsmetool kills your default camera-ui Dec 25 23:48:01 then you can start a new one as user Dec 25 23:48:07 /usr/bin/camera-ui Dec 25 23:48:16 Hurrian: sorry I haven't used qt sdk, but perhaps http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator/creator-developing-maemo.html can help (ctrl-f "qemu") Dec 25 23:48:48 even the new Nokia Qt SDK doesn't include Fremantle emulator images. Dec 25 23:48:52 if you're lucky it will spit out something to stdout, though I doubt it will, since it's actually /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch that gets started, via maemo-launcher Dec 25 23:48:55 DocScrutinizer05: I know, and I started this from menu Dec 25 23:49:42 Hurrian, maybe they're in the vmdk.s like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip Dec 25 23:50:20 maemo-launcher spans a new process, which load camera-ui.launch as a "dll", then the process renames itself to camera-ui Dec 25 23:50:29 spawns* Dec 25 23:50:55 ~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/camera-ui Dec 25 23:50:56 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Nov 10 06:00 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker Dec 25 23:52:06 lnxmen: your strace only shown that maemo-invoker passing environment vars to the maemo-launcher Dec 25 23:52:35 so what I should log for you? Dec 25 23:52:43 Hurrian, i have it ~maemo/.madde/0.6.72/runtimes/rx51-fremantle-pr12 Dec 25 23:56:53 nox-, ooh, that's nice. Dec 25 23:57:28 Czyszczenie z plików konfiguracyjnych dla camera-ui ... // settings removed Dec 25 23:57:31 https://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/updates-madde-sdk-and-vmware-images/ Dec 25 23:57:51 lnxmen: that's actually not simple Dec 25 23:58:06 hmm, let's see if any newer MADDE includes Fremantle PR1.3. Dec 25 23:58:34 something along the line of strace -p `pidof maemo-launcher` <-doesn't work Dec 25 23:59:17 so you mind my camera won't be working until I buy a card? Dec 25 23:59:56 lnxmen: is mydocs formatted as fat32? Dec 26 00:00:22 I didn't change format Dec 26 00:01:10 so probably yes Dec 26 00:03:11 I just did a ps|grep camera Dec 26 00:03:45 anmd then a strace -p -p Dec 26 00:04:17 then I opened shutter, and clicked the storage selector icon in camera-ui Dec 26 00:04:47 I guess you should be able to find the file syscall that returns error, by this method Dec 26 00:05:12 of course you might want to set some filters to strace, to reduce the spamming Dec 26 00:06:08 and -s 100 Dec 26 00:07:03 http://pastebin.com/ffNX3vEP Dec 26 00:07:05 it's mine Dec 26 00:07:09 without filters Dec 26 00:12:12 lnxmen: I see your camera-ui process never tries to access MyDocs/DCIM, but it tries to access /media/mmc1/ Dec 26 00:12:43 are you sure you can't change storage location to "local" or "on device" or whatever it's called? Dec 26 00:12:53 yes Dec 26 00:12:55 it's shadowed Dec 26 00:13:01 :-/ Dec 26 00:13:05 fsck Dec 26 00:13:30 can't he do a hackish solution and symlink? if lnxmen doesn't have an sd card anyway Dec 26 00:13:48 meh Dec 26 00:14:03 (as a last resort if nothing works) Dec 26 00:14:05 I guess there must be a location where this setting gets stored Dec 26 00:14:32 but my user-dirs.dirs file didn't exist Dec 26 00:14:57 i believe that's a cssu-only file, isn't it? Dec 26 00:15:18 I don't know ;d Dec 26 00:15:28 may I install cssu? Dec 26 00:15:41 then this setting will be in user-dirs Dec 26 00:17:33 what do you think? Dec 26 00:17:44 and what about hackish solution? Dec 26 00:19:03 FIQ|n900: I don't think so, since I got that file in my backup from times where I moved my now-to-be-develdev t900 to this one Dec 26 00:19:34 hmmm ok Dec 26 00:19:40 IroN900:~# ll /home/user/./n900-1/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:19:41 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 236 2009-10-08 09:57 /home/user/./n900-1/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:20:08 FIQ|n900: make sure your file looks correct Dec 26 00:20:37 IroN900:~# md5sum ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:20:39 858b04d5ed0749b9e42b82c1c73bcc14 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:21:44 btw: Dec 26 00:21:46 IroN900:~# ll ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:21:48 -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 236 2009-10-08 10:13 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:22:02 same md5sum Dec 26 00:22:28 sorry, i'm short of ideas then Dec 26 00:22:46 lnxmen: your file is missing? Dec 26 00:22:57 I created this file Dec 26 00:23:07 http://pastebin.com/taSvgSxZ in ~/.config/user#irs.dirs Dec 26 00:23:25 http://pastebin.com/taSvgSxZ in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs Dec 26 00:23:29 first question: WTF is it missing first instance? Dec 26 00:24:18 I think 'ln' will help me xD Dec 26 00:24:23 FIQ|n900: your file is user users 644? Dec 26 00:24:26 but it's stupid solution Dec 26 00:24:27 xD Dec 26 00:24:52 you can't ln from fat32 Dec 26 00:25:20 and what do you want to ln to where anyway? Dec 26 00:25:37 ln -s /.../DCIM /media/mmc ? Dec 26 00:25:38 xD Dec 26 00:25:52 :shrug: try it Dec 26 00:26:03 I doubt it will help though Dec 26 00:27:08 gconftool -R /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings Dec 26 00:27:23 [01:24:23] FIQ|n900: your file is user users 644? Dec 26 00:27:23 yes Dec 26 00:27:39 http://pastebin.com/PfLfsg2N Dec 26 00:28:06 lnxmen: ^^ FIQ|n900 meant to you, not to him Dec 26 00:28:47 lnxmen: your file is user users 644? Dec 26 00:29:04 user root Dec 26 00:29:08 as I remember Dec 26 00:29:30 DocScrutinizer05: sorry for confusing you :p Dec 26 00:29:58 gconftool -g /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device Dec 26 00:30:28 1=internal, 0=uSD Dec 26 00:30:39 HTH Dec 26 00:30:51 I doubt it will, though Dec 26 00:31:42 http://pastebin.com/x3ZUz6Sz Dec 26 00:33:37 particularly it won't help to change that value when camera-ui process running Dec 26 00:34:50 uh it's set at internal already? Dec 26 00:34:58 setting it by ~# gconftool -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 1 Dec 26 00:35:07 then killall -9 camera-ui Dec 26 00:35:11 might help Dec 26 00:36:38 yes, it works Dec 26 00:37:03 thank you Dec 26 00:37:31 err what? Dec 26 00:37:41 gconftool -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 1 // xD Dec 26 00:37:49 killall cam Dec 26 00:38:01 and start cam Dec 26 00:38:09 and I can take pictures now Dec 26 00:38:11 xD Dec 26 00:38:17 \o/ Dec 26 00:38:21 LOL Dec 26 00:38:51 my xmess gift for you ;-) Dec 26 00:39:23 but I lost some other options Dec 26 00:39:31 anyway thank you :) Dec 26 00:39:34 the missing link: gconftool -R /|less Dec 26 00:39:39 /camera Dec 26 00:40:19 you lost other options? please elaborate Dec 26 00:40:44 hmm setting iso Dec 26 00:41:00 colours settings Dec 26 00:41:25 distance from camera to object Dec 26 00:41:32 and some others Dec 26 00:41:59 that's never been parts of stock cameraui Dec 26 00:43:07 well, ISO is in wrench icon Dec 26 00:43:50 distance to object definitely never been in stock, it's part of CSSU-T nicocam Dec 26 00:44:30 I guess somehow you rolled back from CSSU-T to stock, and that's all been result of that Dec 26 00:45:12 did you "uninstall" CSSU-T? Dec 26 00:45:14 possible ;] Dec 26 00:45:46 that would explain why your file been gone Dec 26 00:46:03 pali, I summon you! Dec 26 00:46:11 :-D Dec 26 00:46:51 I honestly think we shouldn't ship this uninstaller Dec 26 00:47:19 it's a huger task to get that right than installing CSSU Dec 26 00:47:33 and basically nobody ever using it Dec 26 00:48:09 and if somebody uses it, we see all sorts of weird error reports that eat our precious devel time for helpdesk tasks Dec 26 00:48:37 so damn nuke that cssu uninstaller, pretty please! Dec 26 00:49:44 a function that introduces monster complexity and opportunities for bugs, while not really delivering on any improved user experience Dec 26 00:50:38 same with all those (admittedly deactivated) repositories in HAM Dec 26 00:52:49 * DocScrutinizer05 prepares for some loving spanking of pali ;-) Dec 26 00:53:47 the proper way of uninstalling cssu: backupmenu restore Dec 26 00:54:02 or reflash Dec 26 00:54:20 as is written in THE BOOK Dec 26 00:54:27 err on Dec 26 00:54:30 ~cssu Dec 26 00:54:31 cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Dec 26 00:55:21 I gave that instruction quite a good thought, to make it 'perfect' Dec 26 00:55:55 and they ended up bloated Dec 26 00:55:58 (just sayin) Dec 26 01:02:03 the proper way is a reflash, the smart way is backupmenu :) Dec 26 01:03:33 one day I'll look into backmenu source so I can give it the cssu approved stamp :D Dec 26 01:03:51 to be honest, i prefer a reflash purely because of 'feelings' Dec 26 01:03:56 it just feels better to me Dec 26 01:04:07 but backupmenu surely is the smarter way :) Dec 26 01:07:28 merlin1991: BLOATED? Dec 26 01:07:31 dafaq Dec 26 01:08:59 merlin1991: one day you'll notice that BM for whatever weird reasons shouldn't get shipped via extras, and you'll include it to CSSU repo Dec 26 01:09:29 I bet it replaces some system files ;) Dec 26 01:10:00 please suggest wtf we could scratch on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Dec 26 01:10:37 videos Dec 26 01:10:50 those are not from me Dec 26 01:11:02 at least the first one wasn't Dec 26 01:11:20 I might have added the second one since first one was poor Dec 26 01:12:02 I seem to get differing font spacing Dec 26 01:12:08 I basically dislike the videos as well, esp in that prominent position Dec 26 01:12:15 first 2 alineas have different spacing compared to the 3rd Dec 26 01:12:31 k, badly spoken, first 2 chapters have bad spacing Dec 26 01:12:41 or at least different from the 'Installation' chapter Dec 26 01:14:33 seems the bullets change line spacing Dec 26 01:14:45 http://i.imgur.com/6sQql.png Dec 26 01:14:52 yeah, this is what i see in Chrome on win7 Dec 26 01:15:08 404 Dec 26 01:15:12 odd Dec 26 01:15:19 http://imgur.com/6sQql Dec 26 01:15:20 better? Dec 26 01:15:31 yeah Dec 26 01:15:39 weird that the direct link didnt work Dec 26 01:15:40 oh well Dec 26 01:15:53 works fine here Dec 26 01:15:54 pretty much identical to what I see in konqueror Dec 26 01:16:15 oh, no other browsers here, quite fresh install Dec 26 01:16:22 not counting MSIE of course Dec 26 01:16:30 hehe Dec 26 01:16:39 hmm Dec 26 01:16:44 lets open MSIE Dec 26 01:16:45 the bottom of page is quite a bit more funny though Dec 26 01:16:48 i know what it will do Dec 26 01:16:53 it will do the same thing as always Dec 26 01:17:04 look sad at me and ask me to make him the default browser Dec 26 01:17:17 and i have to be all tough again Dec 26 01:18:26 I guess this isn't even caused by the red read-only notice, but actually by the sql error msg triggered by hits counter (I guess) Dec 26 01:19:12 umm nope, counter displays fine Dec 26 01:20:10 HAH, probably *updating* the counter triggers that error msg that comes with full standard page header Dec 26 01:20:35 * Lava_Croft rolls his eyes Dec 26 01:20:48 UPDATE command denied to user 'wikiuser_ro'@'wml0234' for table 'mw_site_stats' Dec 26 01:21:42 wikiuser_ro Dec 26 01:21:44 ah well :D Dec 26 01:21:47 BURRP Dec 26 01:24:10 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if Nemein ever going to release that writelock Dec 26 01:25:06 eventually they should get finished with moving to the vservers, then just edit the DNS records and put the whole thing to (yet borked) original state again Dec 26 01:25:59 or even run the vservers on a secondary domain, for testing purposes, for some days Dec 26 01:26:08 before switching DNS records Dec 26 01:26:30 maybe they already do???? Dec 26 01:27:11 lemme do a few wild guesses what secondary domain they'd pick for that Dec 26 01:27:44 *.migration.maemo.org? Dec 26 01:28:03 *.maemo.nemein.com? Dec 26 01:28:16 heh, tmo is still hosted by reggie? Dec 26 01:28:22 yup Dec 26 01:28:31 i thought that was getting migrated earlier Dec 26 01:28:59 it will migrate as soon as nemein provides a fresh and virgin vserver Dec 26 01:29:43 though thinking about it, Rambo said he'll see what he can do Dec 26 01:30:02 iirc Dec 26 01:31:10 board uttered "tmo moves to maemo.org infra" in one of their meeting minutes. NFC if they had further 'sekrit' conversations with nemein Dec 26 01:32:30 they oughtn't since they were supposed to inform their admin (-coordinator) at very least if they had Dec 26 01:32:38 IOW me Dec 26 01:33:38 * thedead1440 wonders what isnt 'sekrit' these days Dec 26 01:36:07 damn why isn't all the db user stuff in sql standardiced Dec 26 01:36:50 the somewhat schizoid situation however is that they tend to not inform me, or council at large, sometimes. OTOH they ask for help, and same time suggest I shouldn't talk to anybody without their consent Dec 26 01:58:51 thedead1440: I had a nice chat with brkn :-) Dec 26 01:59:09 of course sekrit ;-P Dec 26 02:00:18 thedead1440: thanks again for the incredibly helpful work you both guys did! Dec 26 02:02:45 Hey, he followed up and got me to find my N770 key and(when that failed) my fiasco files, so... Dec 26 02:03:30 yeah, doers not talkers, exactly the kind of guys you need in a crisis Dec 26 02:04:22 DocScrutinizer05, yup he told me about it in sekrit :p Dec 26 02:04:26 * robbiethe1st ends up being more of a procrastinator... in some cases. Dec 26 02:04:51 they both pretty correctly estimated the situation at large, and decided to do their own thing without getting too much involved in the general madness Dec 26 02:05:06 Major points to them, yup. Dec 26 02:06:12 brkn even *is* admin! Dec 26 02:11:11 DocScrutinizer05, and a pretty good one ;) Dec 26 02:11:33 yeah, a real admin :-D Dec 26 02:11:56 the first one involved into the whole migration tragedy Dec 26 02:12:28 haha Dec 26 02:12:58 except Nemein guys of course, but I'm not sure how much they feel involved into that Dec 26 02:14:05 I'd hope to get a hold of Bergie after xmas and ask him about that Dec 26 02:14:15 well nobody is sure about them anyway ;) Dec 26 02:15:22 well, they got a business to run, it's not like they are doing this for mere fun of it Dec 26 02:15:32 no phone calls possible? i mean if virtual communications are taking time a call to put the record straight seems better Dec 26 02:15:59 so it's more the question what they can offer and how much they are inclined to go out of their way Dec 26 02:16:33 thedead1440: I'll check all this during next 2-3 days Dec 26 02:16:55 ok Dec 26 02:17:25 indeed email is a bit clumsy for negotiations about stuff like semi-funding Dec 26 02:18:58 its about getting the message across; I'm slightly old-school but i always feel nothing conveys a proper message like a phone call Dec 26 02:19:11 yup Dec 26 02:19:34 Via virtual comms it takes time to understand true intentions IMO Dec 26 02:19:46 the only problem with this: I'm slightly hearing-impaired when it comes to phonecalls Dec 26 02:20:38 You are an EE; you must have already had a work-around for it :D Dec 26 02:21:21 and nothing creates greater confusion and uncertainty than a phonecall where neither end understands the other, but both pretend they did Dec 26 02:22:02 haha i can imagine that Dec 26 02:22:08 That sounds like the internet. Dec 26 02:23:05 a nice irc chat is almost better than a talk face to face Dec 26 02:23:35 in a talk you'd never ask "do I sense sarcasm?" Dec 26 02:23:59 haha Dec 26 02:23:59 in a chat you're the one to blame when you don't ask Dec 26 02:26:16 plus you can think as long as you like about what to answer, you can read the last 10 or 20 posts again, you got a protocol of what everybody said Dec 26 02:26:37 true **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 26 02:59:59 2012