**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 26 02:59:59 2012 Dec 26 03:01:49 DocScrutinizer05: don't you ever sleep? Dec 26 03:04:33 sleep is overrated Dec 26 03:10:18 haha Dec 26 04:58:13 kerio, hey Dec 26 07:17:23 does anyone have drlaunch widget on desktop with icon size <60px and > 8x4 grid? Isn't it crashing? Dec 26 07:17:47 >= 8x4 Dec 26 08:24:08 i'm a bit confused.. does N900's cortex a8 support armhf, or only armel? Dec 26 08:24:48 i would believe the answer is yes (judging from cat /proc/cpuinfo). Dec 26 08:26:38 i see thumbee and vfpv3 Dec 26 08:26:42 :-\ Dec 26 08:36:49 http://imgur.com/gallery/F1yGP Dec 26 08:40:58 Sicelo, http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-n900 suggests that N900 CPU does support armhf Dec 26 08:41:29 kel. thanks Dec 26 09:05:27 Hi guys, Is there any way to save a list of installed software and reinstall it with one command later on ? Dec 26 09:05:42 Don't want to spend +2 days for installation Dec 26 09:06:49 backup is one :P Dec 26 09:06:55 if you have all your .deb files just cd to their folder and do dpkg -i *.deb Dec 26 09:07:31 stock backup, i meant. Dec 26 09:09:16 thedead1440: interesting idea Dec 26 09:09:33 Sicelo: backup means to save all the software i have now Dec 26 09:09:42 I need to wipe a bit of crap :) Dec 26 09:09:56 And reinstall only the software i really need Dec 26 09:10:19 ah, thought you wanted everything back Dec 26 09:11:03 there's also, of course, dpkg set selections Dec 26 09:51:16 iluminator105: morning Dec 26 10:12:07 XATRIX: well, there's dpkg --get-selections Dec 26 10:12:46 hm...ok will try to look at Dec 26 10:17:21 the Backup program can also do that Dec 26 11:15:53 anybody can tell how to rebind keys on DeNokSnes? Dec 26 11:49:39 hello, do nokia employees stick around here? Dec 26 11:50:27 so far i've seen only romaxa to join 1-2 times, but he is ex- Dec 26 11:51:25 XATRIX: that's exactly what stock backup enables Dec 26 11:51:27 why, what do you need? Dec 26 11:51:49 Hm... Dec 26 11:51:57 cause i'm gonna reflash my device Dec 26 11:52:11 XATRIX: on restore you get a selection list to pick what to restore Dec 26 11:52:26 kerio: it's something slightly urgent and confidential, unrelated to the OS itself (if I find one, I would probably rather talk in query) Dec 26 11:52:38 s/to restore/to install again/ Dec 26 11:52:38 DocScrutinizer05 meant: XATRIX: on restore you get a selection list to pick what to install again Dec 26 11:52:40 i see Dec 26 11:52:49 DocScrutinizer05: will it really restore a files , or do a reinstall app ? Dec 26 11:53:04 apps get reinstalled, configs restored Dec 26 11:53:15 Sounds if what i need Dec 26 11:53:45 XATRIX: if you only flash COMBINED and then restore a Backup backup, you should get everything back as it was Dec 26 11:54:03 you're screwed if the apps are not available anymore in the repo you once oulled them from Dec 26 11:54:19 or if the repo isn't available anymore Dec 26 11:54:34 that's implied, no? Dec 26 11:54:46 ofc Dec 26 11:55:04 but until we pass the migration i'll be scared of that Dec 26 11:55:25 that's why I mentioned it Dec 26 11:55:35 kerio: (someone who can walk to the Nokia headquarters might also be better than nothing) Dec 26 11:55:42 so better make a BM backup as well Dec 26 11:55:45 to be fair, merlin1991 should already have a backup ready to go Dec 26 11:56:01 I installed some testing,unstable crap to play with, so now i will do a full_flash Dec 26 11:56:10 kerio: even if he has, ha cannot distribute it Dec 26 11:56:11 I mean eMMC + rootfs Dec 26 11:56:39 kerio: BTW launch your HAM and refresh Dec 26 11:57:12 * kerio runs apt-get update Dec 26 11:57:23 * kerio runs apt-get upgrade Dec 26 11:57:40 * XATRIX runs apt-get dist-upgrade Dec 26 11:59:35 NOOOOOOOOOOO Dec 26 11:59:47 too little, too late :D Dec 26 12:00:38 *sigh* Dec 26 12:00:45 freemangordon: ok, updated gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend and installed rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait Dec 26 12:00:54 (i already had everything else from yesterday) Dec 26 12:01:08 ~spank kerio Dec 26 12:01:09 * infobot bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks. Dec 26 12:01:14 kerio: yep Dec 26 12:01:57 freemangordon: ok, installed new Squeeze ;-D Dec 26 12:02:17 freemangordon: asking HAM wouldn't help me, i don't have the metapackage Dec 26 12:02:30 kerio: why? Dec 26 12:02:34 procps Dec 26 12:02:36 XATRIX: great Dec 26 12:07:07 kerio: I thought YOU were the majestic dpkg-divert wizard that eats apt configs for breakfast. And now YOU give up on MP because of procps??? Dec 26 12:09:30 DocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't i give up on MP? Dec 26 12:09:31 :D Dec 26 12:10:45 you know what apt-get upgrade would give me? ~250 upgraded pkgs from extras-devel, some of which I DAFACK DO NOT WANT Dec 26 12:10:57 why not? :( Dec 26 12:11:03 also, pin it to priority 400 Dec 26 12:12:08 kerio: sorry, are you located in Finland please? Dec 26 12:12:15 no Dec 26 12:12:28 bold italian Dec 26 12:13:05 heh Dec 26 12:18:20 DocScrutinizer05: I think I have upgraded from -devel... Dec 26 12:23:29 hmm, seems like opera no longer crashes with latest CSSU Dec 26 12:23:38 opera12 that is Dec 26 12:26:17 it used to not crash before Dec 26 12:26:35 cssu is unrelated, it was an opera server-side thing Dec 26 12:31:28 kerio: it was crashing for me when not on wifi till yesterday Dec 26 12:31:47 funny thing is how opera subliminally added 3 bookmarks on speed dial across all versions including android and there was no uproar Dec 26 12:32:06 its as if user privacy is non-existent Dec 26 12:32:08 thedead1440: well, nobody cares about opera Dec 26 12:32:18 actually on android many do Dec 26 12:32:33 i meant in general, as a joke Dec 26 12:32:37 yup true Dec 26 12:32:44 anyway, i don't think adding a bookmark or three is a big deal Dec 26 12:32:52 thedead1440: android and privacy? are you kidding me? :P Dec 26 12:32:56 hehe Dec 26 12:34:27 why would it be a privacy issue? Dec 26 12:34:36 well you close the browser Dec 26 12:34:50 then the next time you open it there are 3 additional bookmarks nos 1-3 Dec 26 12:34:53 on your speed dial Dec 26 12:34:59 without my consent Dec 26 12:35:11 and why is it a privacy issue? Dec 26 12:35:24 well its just a consent thing Dec 26 12:35:24 kerio: the fact that this is supposed to be controlled by you, not by a third party Dec 26 12:35:32 ^^ Dec 26 12:36:05 and by "control" i mean not only bookmarks Dec 26 12:36:27 the can upload the whole filesystem, can't they? Dec 26 12:37:10 ? Dec 26 12:37:49 what is not clear - opera has tools to remotely change stuff on your device Dec 26 12:38:10 do you think thise are write-only? Dec 26 12:38:13 *thise Dec 26 12:38:18 the fuck Dec 26 12:38:21 THOSE Dec 26 12:39:15 there are ToS you accepted to use opera Dec 26 12:39:28 sure Dec 26 12:39:42 if it was a new version it could still be forgiven but to do it at random shows they are not transparent when asking for user permissions during installation i.e. we can remotely control your browser Dec 26 12:39:44 did you read it? Dec 26 12:40:01 i'm not the one complaining Dec 26 12:40:16 kerio: noone complains really Dec 26 12:40:19 when you install on Android you are told what permissions an app is give; no where is remote access stated for opera Dec 26 12:40:58 kerio: it is just not "fair", thus the discussion Dec 26 12:41:25 its not about just complaining its about intentions and transparency; aren't opera supposed to be one of the better companies? To do this subliminally is not the right way of doing things Dec 26 12:42:08 yep, this is google's way Dec 26 12:42:29 even the maemo and harmattan versions had the same thing :) Dec 26 12:42:32 :(* Dec 26 12:43:18 imagine freemangordon when issuing a new thumb adds remote access somewhere in the terms who would notice? fair to do so? no! Dec 26 12:44:31 on that note the latest thumb seems faster at adapting between orientations in the phone app :D Dec 26 12:44:38 * freemangordon plans to open a backdoor on kerio's device and to wipe all pr0n from it :P Dec 26 12:45:03 i'd be more worried about the security of running arbitrary code Dec 26 12:45:11 but i doubt it's actually arbitrary and not authenticated Dec 26 12:45:55 kerio: and that's exactly what happens. opera updates several hundreds of KB .js code once a week Dec 26 12:46:12 yeah but what can that code do? Dec 26 12:46:26 js? whatever you like Dec 26 12:46:37 is it signed? is it run sandboxed? Dec 26 12:46:39 *ran Dec 26 12:46:43 NFC Dec 26 12:46:52 yes, i am aware that javascript is turing-complete Dec 26 12:46:57 i meant what can it do on the system Dec 26 12:47:15 so you read through all the code of the apps, cssu etc you use on the device? is it reasonable for an user to do that even if open-source? i don't think so... there is a certain trust among users and creators after all which opera has abused in this instance Dec 26 12:47:53 kerio: no idea. Dec 26 12:48:07 thedead1440: it's actually fairly hard to slip in a backdoor in an opensource project Dec 26 12:49:25 i suppose that one thing you could do is slip in a bug that you know of, that allows for remote execution Dec 26 12:49:31 but that only works until someone else notices Dec 26 12:49:40 as a bonus, you have plausible deniability Dec 26 12:49:42 well true but between minor updates its pretty hard for it to be flagged early Dec 26 12:49:56 minor updates are easy to check Dec 26 12:50:33 it works both ways; its minor so people checking might not take it seriously while huge updates you might get more suspicious eyes on it Dec 26 12:50:34 meego :) Dec 26 12:51:41 kerio on that note if you think its fine for them to add 3 bookmarks then its fine for them to delete some too? Dec 26 12:51:55 both are dick moves, but neither is a privacy issue Dec 26 12:52:28 depends on the user Dec 26 12:53:11 if you think your bookmarks are sacred and its sacrilegious for someone to tamper with them you wouldn't like it but if you think bookmarks are for all to be tampered with then its fine Dec 26 12:53:41 giving 2 extremes above though so its not absolute examples Dec 26 12:55:12 thedead1440: re rotation in phone - arcean has changed something and labeled it :Faster, without visual glitches, switching to an application in portrait mode from the task navigator.: Dec 26 12:55:40 i was right; it isn't a placebo only :D Dec 26 12:56:00 huh... Dec 26 12:56:01 also i thumb built another lib which is statically linked in h-d Dec 26 12:56:13 now openmediaplayer doesn't rotate properly in the tasknav Dec 26 12:56:16 so it is either of those or a combination Dec 26 12:56:41 ah ok Dec 26 12:56:51 whatever it is; its really nice and THANK YOU! Dec 26 13:00:20 uh. I inserd an uSD and modest immediately creates its folders on it. Wtf Dec 26 14:59:13 :) Dec 26 14:59:16 no dcim? Dec 26 15:12:45 tadzik: yes Dec 26 15:12:46 nope Dec 26 15:12:50 thats a bloody annoyance Dec 26 15:12:54 modest creates useless folders Dec 26 15:13:21 don't we have any influence on the modest development? Dec 26 15:43:39 i think it's open source Dec 26 15:43:59 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005834.html \o/ Dec 26 15:44:50 DocScrutinizer05: you mean the wiki login issue? The moment i got the mail i checked the wiki but doesn't even load the login page :S Dec 26 15:45:38 it's migrated to vservers and fixed on those, but DNS doesn't yet point to those - aiui Dec 26 15:45:50 ah Dec 26 15:46:11 much in line what I anticipated / speculated yesterday Dec 26 15:46:21 and Nokia isn't responding on the DNS; whats the chance they only reply after 1st Jan after being back from holidays Dec 26 15:47:42 what's the standard way to solve DNS conflicts? open a dispute at registrar? Dec 26 15:47:54 thats going to take a lot of time Dec 26 15:47:56 ICAN, ROPE, whatever? Dec 26 15:48:02 RIPE Dec 26 15:48:13 DENIC? Dec 26 15:48:36 ICANN i think Dec 26 15:48:42 It *might* make Nokia move Dec 26 15:48:47 that'll take years :) Dec 26 15:48:50 ICANN that's it Dec 26 15:49:07 and disputes will involve the lawyers and everything slows to standstill Dec 26 15:49:15 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/26/year_of_the_linux_tablet/ might interest you Dec 26 15:49:17 its bureaucracy all the way there Dec 26 15:49:25 SHITE HELL FIRE BRIMSTONE I thought nemein is in duty of admin-c of those domains Dec 26 15:49:50 still nokia :) Dec 26 15:50:13 "Nokia dnsauthority" Dec 26 15:51:35 did a whois? Dec 26 15:53:01 yes Dec 26 15:53:10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1467414 Dec 26 15:53:34 Admin Phone:+358.718008000 Dec 26 15:53:53 Admin FAX:+358.718034496 Dec 26 15:54:03 did anyone ask whether nokia would continue providing dns or if we need to setup our own dns server? :) Dec 26 15:54:10 Email:hostmaster@nokia.com Dec 26 15:54:26 Admin Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com Dec 26 15:55:07 * ShadowJK wouldnt bother trying to contact directly Dec 26 15:55:21 ShadowJK: good question, AIUI they offered to simply change the A / AAA records to point to new servers Dec 26 15:55:31 ShadowJK: Are you sure there is anyone left at Nokia who knows what DNS is? Dec 26 15:55:46 dot net system! Dec 26 15:55:47 LOL Dec 26 15:56:19 RST38h; i was goin to ask whether we know if this is operpating as "hidden master", with the nokia servers slaved to the hidden master Dec 26 15:56:34 ShadowJK: so that would in fact mean maemo.org stays in Nokia's domain Dec 26 15:56:46 yes Dec 26 15:56:56 and on NS.NOKIA.COM Dec 26 15:57:18 eventually they'll transfer that to HF, i hope Dec 26 15:57:36 I'm not all happy about such solution, but frankly admit it's the lowest effort fastest solution Dec 26 15:57:47 Well, hf has no dns server to transfer to Dec 26 15:57:55 exactly Dec 26 15:58:05 sure we do, the one server nokia donated :D Dec 26 15:58:16 that's not a DNS server Dec 26 15:58:40 get your stuff sorted regarding how DNS works Dec 26 15:58:42 oh i'm sure it's powerful enough to run an instance of bind :) Dec 26 15:59:05 doesn't matter when it's not linked to DNS infra Dec 26 15:59:23 get the domain NS to be that server Dec 26 15:59:28 you're not free to open your own DNS server whenever you like Dec 26 15:59:30 (and specify its address) Dec 26 15:59:30 Some registrars have cute anti-catch22 policies. The nameserver you want (for example ns.maemo.org) must exist and be resolvable before they agree to change the records from ns.nokia.com :P Dec 26 15:59:31 well you are Dec 26 15:59:38 but then nobody will know about it Dec 26 16:01:00 DocScrutinizer05: NS entries can also specify IP addresses Dec 26 16:01:21 we might be able to set up a hidden master DNs on maemo.org servers, with ns.nokia playing slave Dec 26 16:01:28 but I doubt that will fly Dec 26 16:01:40 it's a step by step migration process anyway Dec 26 16:01:44 DocScrutinizer05: how do you think that nokia got that ns.nokia.com nameserver? Dec 26 16:02:17 Many registrars wont do it Dec 26 16:02:36 ShadowJK: so how are you supposed to host your own DNS server with those registrars? Dec 26 16:02:58 kerio; bootstrap it via some other nameserver Dec 26 16:03:05 oh, k Dec 26 16:03:26 it's an opt-in "club" Dec 26 16:03:27 actually, just get freedns to point to your nameserver and use that as the domain nameserver Dec 26 16:03:29 then change it Dec 26 16:03:35 DocScrutinizer05: it's nto Dec 26 16:03:36 *not Dec 26 16:05:16 kerio: what do you think how your dns.yourtelco.com nameserver doing the resolve of maemo.org to an IP for your browser you're just using, how that server gets to know about maemo.org? Dec 26 16:06:52 it eventually goes to the root servers, which know - by registrar-provided information - that the nameserver for my domain is ns.mydomain.whatevs with address 1.2.3.4 Dec 26 16:07:27 what do you think is the magic that makes those A and AAA records and whatnot propagate across all the world, that you see on `host -a maemo.org` Dec 26 16:08:49 kerio: nope, it's not exactly "by registrar-provided info", it's maemo.org responsible NS propagating this info up to next peer NS Dec 26 16:09:24 until finaly it arrives top level and from there - on request - down again to the whole world Dec 26 16:09:51 that's what I think I understood of how DNS works Dec 26 16:09:54 yep, and the root servers know about the responsible NS for the domain because of what the registrar knows Dec 26 16:10:15 there IS NO registrar Dec 26 16:10:21 involved in that Dec 26 16:10:23 my point is that you can even tell *ips* to the registrars Dec 26 16:10:42 of course there is, who the hell are you supposed to tell what's your nameserver to? Dec 26 16:10:44 it's all only NS servers Dec 26 16:10:56 talking to each other Dec 26 16:11:06 and you need to be part of that network Dec 26 16:11:23 there's no backdoor to get in, afaik Dec 26 16:12:42 well, probably you're right that top level NS (ICANN, whoever) eventually adds new records from registrations of domains Dec 26 16:12:59 but maemo.org already *is* registered Dec 26 16:13:57 and NS is ns.nokia.com Dec 26 16:14:32 yeah but that NS entry is not only on ns.nokia.com Dec 26 16:14:37 soif we want to change IP of maemo.org, we need to edit some list on that ns.nokia.com machine Dec 26 16:15:03 and from there it propagates to the world Dec 26 16:15:07 and universe Dec 26 16:15:38 if you want to change NS responsible for maemo.org, you need to open a dispute at ICANN Dec 26 16:15:48 or ask nokia nicely :3 Dec 26 16:15:55 or make Nokia hand over the domain to HF Dec 26 16:16:29 at which point HF needs to run their own NS, and that's not a trivial taks Dec 26 16:16:31 task Dec 26 16:17:00 sudo apt-get install bind9 Dec 26 16:17:11 blablabla Dec 26 16:17:14 and then spend the following two years reading man pages Dec 26 16:17:25 it's easy! Dec 26 16:17:26 and managing Dec 26 16:19:59 by the way, eventually we'll need to know who gets root access and responsibility for it on the new servers Dec 26 16:20:26 well, once a time ago that's been me, designated Dec 26 16:20:53 in my rolae as administrator-coordinator Dec 26 16:21:16 at least that's last *official* statement from board Dec 26 16:21:33 and I officially accepted that duty Dec 26 16:22:05 I don't know if and how board has maybe changed their mind regarding that Dec 26 16:23:24 ? Dec 26 16:23:31 oops sorry wrong Dec 26 16:24:18 http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-december-8th-2012/ Dec 26 16:26:38 DocScrutinizer05: you are the *chosen* one :p Dec 26 16:26:53 yeah :-S Dec 26 16:27:18 xD Dec 26 16:28:09 hi brkn Dec 26 16:28:49 slt Dec 26 16:30:10 hmm, seems there is some migration activity going on Dec 26 16:30:17 http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-december-8th-2012/ Dec 26 16:54:45 On running u-boot-update-bootmenu with U-Boot 2012.10.rc3-1 I am getting "mkimage: write error on /home/user..." Dec 26 17:11:33 MetalGearSolid: what's the ...? Dec 26 17:11:35 it's kinda important Dec 26 17:13:03 indeed Dec 26 17:13:30 you're sure you haven't plugged in USB and enabled mass storage? Dec 26 17:13:49 since that would unmount MyDocs Dec 26 17:13:51 that was my first guess :D Dec 26 17:15:17 NEVER work on device while in mass storage mode ((me ponders to lock the device irreversably with a modal "end mass storage mode" requester)) Dec 26 17:15:42 NEVER enter mass storage mode is how i do it Dec 26 17:15:55 hehe, works too Dec 26 17:16:14 anyway Dec 26 17:16:16 ~2119 Dec 26 17:16:17 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Dec 26 17:16:29 err Dec 26 17:16:51 err you MUSt NOT work on device while in mass storage mode Dec 26 17:17:38 SHOULD NOT? Dec 26 17:17:47 SHOULD NOT, probably Dec 26 17:19:24 ~seen merlin1991 Dec 26 17:19:27 merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 14h 14m 3s, last said: 'pm'. Dec 26 17:19:37 WUT? Dec 26 17:19:45 hm? Dec 26 17:19:50 ~seen merlin1991 Dec 26 17:19:50 merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: 'hm?'. Dec 26 17:19:56 heh, idling Dec 26 17:20:00 s idling for 14h 14m 3s Dec 26 17:20:15 why not? :D Dec 26 17:20:44 time runs by Dec 26 17:21:04 ~seen kerio Dec 26 17:21:05 kerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 246 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen kerio'. Dec 26 17:21:06 seen your /queries ? Dec 26 17:21:10 oh you silly Dec 26 17:21:16 LOL Dec 26 17:21:17 DocScrutinizer05: yep talking to him atm Dec 26 17:21:22 k Dec 26 17:22:09 not even remotely true Dec 26 17:22:14 xD Dec 26 17:31:52 Its not in mass storage mode and neither is it connected via USB Dec 26 17:32:12 MetalGearSolid: paste the complete error message for crying out loud Dec 26 17:33:07 ok Dec 26 17:36:16 here u go http://pastebin.com/BF2G9vwc Dec 26 17:39:23 >>mkimage: Write error on /home/user/MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/zImage-2.6.28.10-power51: Success<< SIC! Dec 26 17:39:31 WTF?! Dec 26 17:40:04 kinda contratdicting :D Dec 26 17:40:20 what now? error, success, or successful error, or faulty success? Dec 26 17:40:27 I have HW rv2204 Dec 26 17:40:45 that's toally unrelated to that script Dec 26 17:40:47 same error with U-boot 2012.04 and 2012.10.rc3-1 Dec 26 17:41:08 It just quits after that portion Dec 26 17:41:24 no bootmenu.scr is created Dec 26 17:41:27 might be normal Dec 26 17:41:31 ooh Dec 26 17:41:33 it's not Dec 26 17:41:50 bug in script, no doubt Dec 26 17:42:24 the whole u-boot-update-bootmenu is broken by concept Dec 26 17:42:32 nah Dec 26 17:42:37 it is Dec 26 17:42:38 every bootloader does that Dec 26 17:43:02 I had a working u-boot 2012.04 till yesterday Dec 26 17:43:19 I upgraded to 2012.10.rc3-1 and then everything went downhill Dec 26 17:43:38 every software imports user settings from alternative/previos packages. However that doesn't mean I configure my kmail2 accounts in kmail1.2 then import them Dec 26 17:44:06 huh? Dec 26 17:44:25 the /etc/bootmenu.d/ is NOT owned by uBoot Dec 26 17:44:41 it is Dec 26 17:44:43 so it's WRONG to do genuine uBoot configuration in there Dec 26 17:45:27 why does fanoush have more rights than pali? Dec 26 17:45:35 kerio: historically speaking no, there is bootmenu wich had it first Dec 26 17:46:55 DocScrutinizer05: what about /etc/multiboot.d? Dec 26 17:47:08 backwards-compatibility only? Dec 26 18:00:32 does the N900's skype client still work, or is it broken? Dec 26 18:04:30 still works Dec 26 18:05:52 MetalGearSolid: still no luck with u-boot? Dec 26 18:06:03 sadly no Dec 26 18:06:14 I am giving up for now Dec 26 18:06:24 sadly that means no more Archlinux Dec 26 18:06:28 eew Dec 26 18:07:19 you can load your kernel with flasher :P Dec 26 18:07:50 i did that while u-boot wasn't working at all for me (non-2101 hw rev) Dec 26 18:07:50 yeah did that Dec 26 18:08:02 purget all u-boot stuff and flashed KP51 Dec 26 18:08:29 same here hw rev 2204 .. i heard it has the least luck wid u-boot Dec 26 18:09:33 but the latest was working fine with my 2204 (until yesterday, when i borked things playing with emmc partitions) Dec 26 18:10:12 I don't know what I am doing wrong Dec 26 18:10:19 Install U-Boot Dec 26 18:10:36 without u-boot everything boots ok? Dec 26 18:10:36 /boot/ already has the required zImages so did not copy anything there Dec 26 18:10:46 ran u-boot-update-boomenu Dec 26 18:10:50 yes Dec 26 18:11:17 Do i need to create uImage from zImage Dec 26 18:11:21 manually ? Dec 26 18:11:47 nah, uboot does it for you. and that's not where problem lies Dec 26 18:12:23 latest error is during update bootmenu when i get this error Dec 26 18:12:34 O.o Dec 26 18:12:40 what does it say? Dec 26 18:13:00 Configuration file: /etc/bootmenu.d/20-Maemo5-KP51.item Generating u-boot image for kernel 'zImage-2.6.28.10-power51'... mkimage: Write error on /home/user/MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/zImage-2.6.28.10-power51: Success Dec 26 18:13:13 http://pastebin.com/BF2G9vwc Dec 26 18:13:49 * Sicelo wonders if your MyDocs is healthy Dec 26 18:14:07 I did scan and fix using someone windows PC Dec 26 18:14:12 on MyDocs Dec 26 18:14:18 eew Dec 26 18:14:44 i wonder if fsck would make a difference Dec 26 18:15:27 The error yesterday was different. Dec 26 18:15:59 Yesterday FAM updated only the u-boot-flasher package and not the u-boot-tools Dec 26 18:16:22 update-bootmenu worked yesterday except that no new images were created Dec 26 18:16:49 after all this on reboot u-boot died after "Starting kernel..." Dec 26 18:17:30 so today i purged everything and started again Dec 26 18:17:40 but this time got stuck during update-bootmenu Dec 26 18:17:54 MetalGearSolid: have you tried deleting bootmenu.d and bootmenu.scr in MyDocs? Dec 26 18:17:58 i would like to see your kp51.item.. Dec 26 18:18:12 yes Dec 26 18:18:28 and ls -l zImage...power51 Dec 26 18:19:38 ITEM_NAME="Maemo5-KP51" Dec 26 18:19:38 ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-2.6.28.10-power51" Dec 26 18:19:38 ITEM_OMAPATAG=1 Dec 26 18:20:30 item config file - 20-Maemo5-KP51.item Dec 26 18:21:35 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 Dec 27 01:39 uImage Dec 26 18:21:35 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1746688 Jan 16 2012 zImage-2.6.28-omap1 Dec 26 18:21:35 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1770180 Jan 16 2012 zImage-2.6.28-omap1-fb Dec 26 18:21:35 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1785760 Jul 23 21:45 zImage-2.6.28.10-power51 Dec 26 18:21:55 ~seen Pali Dec 26 18:22:01 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 26m 58s ago, saying: 'working usbnetwork with g_nokia on windows'. Dec 26 18:23:05