**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 27 02:59:59 2012 Dec 27 04:22:37 I realize that development for N900 is mostly dead these days, but does anyone happen to know how to turn the camera flash LEDs on from command line? I've been trying to Google around, but the damn thing keeps returning completely bogus results Dec 27 04:25:03 NitaChan: there are I think 2 flashlight applications in maemo extras, maybe there's something in the source you could use Dec 27 04:27:08 Yeah, I just downloaded some sources and trying to check if I can find the magic.. Dec 27 04:28:21 it's controls of the video4linux device Dec 27 04:28:32 err Dec 27 04:28:38 settings Dec 27 04:28:58 So, dov4l should be able to toggle the LED? Dec 27 04:29:36 something that can open the v4l device, hold it open, and perform the right ioctl will work Dec 27 04:31:30 I'd love a frontend to the camera that launches on camera door open, and if pointed down (accel), turns on the flashlight Dec 27 04:32:25 That shouldn't be too hard to do Dec 27 04:43:23 Now, any suggestions as to how to stream live video from N900 to an arbitrary computer? I can stream live video with GStreamer via udpsink/udpsrc, but that seemingly requires you to specify an IP-address you wish to stream to, but I wish to be able to stream from any random IP Dec 27 05:13:47 after i flashed n900 sudo is asking for a password this is with nokia vanilla image Dec 27 05:15:13 Yes, it does that. Install rootsh from repos, then use the command "root" to become root, not sudo Dec 27 05:37:09 Nice, now I can stream live audio and video in a Matroska-container over HTTP, finally! That means I can stream it to any mobile device with Matroska-supporting video player and to anything with VLC :) Dec 27 05:44:04 Is the connection supposed to automatically switch back to internet from MMS after fMMS runs? Dec 27 05:44:37 The fact that it doesn't on my phone means that it's randomly crippled from receiving emails - etc - and I have to go scout out what the deal is... Dec 27 05:45:28 I suppose it should reconnect automatically, but I'm not sure. I can't remember anymore as it's been years since I actually used my N900 as a phone Dec 27 05:56:24 NitaChan: what you use as a phone? what you use the n900 as? Dec 27 05:57:00 I do random projects with it. Right now I'm just planning to install it on the wall so that I can stream live audio and video from it over the web Dec 27 06:04:56 NitaChan: why use the n900 for that? why not put screens places and stream to them using computers, phones, and tablets? Dec 27 06:06:47 screens places? Dec 27 06:07:05 I'm not sure what you're saying Dec 27 06:07:33 you said you'll put n900s on walls Dec 27 06:07:44 use whatever LCDs you want whever you want... Dec 27 06:08:06 No, I don't stream video TO N900, I stream video FROM it Dec 27 06:08:25 Oh, from it's camera? Dec 27 06:08:48 Yes, that's what I said: live streaming of N900's camera and microphone over the Internet Dec 27 06:10:35 The N900 consumes very little power if one uses H/W-accelerated encoding, it's small, and the camera and microphone are integrated to it already, so it's quite perfect for that purpose Dec 27 06:10:57 how do you use HW-accel encoding? Dec 27 06:11:10 GStreamer and dsph264enc - plugin Dec 27 06:11:36 I use mplayer to play songs on it, and I often want to slow them down (using '[' key in mplayer), but it starts clipping, like the CPU can't handle it Dec 27 06:12:04 Yes, mplayer doesn't use GStreamer Dec 27 06:12:14 Therefore it does everything in software Dec 27 06:15:46 seems cool! you should post about it and make a pkg when you get it working Dec 27 06:16:30 I'd like to see images that we can flash our n900s with... Like people who have done different things with it, or want to have a default configuration to pass around, etc. Dec 27 06:19:43 There's no sane way of packaging what I did since it's just a script for node.js Dec 27 06:20:01 And it'd have to be customized anyways for whatever one plans to do with it Dec 27 06:20:07 so you could just hand over the script without your passwords and URLs? Dec 27 06:20:15 :D Dec 27 06:20:21 There are no passwords there at the moment Dec 27 06:22:29 I can pastebin the script if you really want it, but you need to install node.js and learn some GStreamer - settings to use it properly Dec 27 06:25:53 http://pastebin.com/0Sv8P5Pa -- save it to e.g. stream.js, then run it with /opt/node/bin/node /path.to/stream.js, and then open the stream in VLC with http://your.phone's.ip.address:9001/ Dec 27 06:26:21 Oh, and you need to install express for node.js for the script to work Dec 27 06:27:26 Momma gonna go AFK, gotta take dogs out for poop. Dec 27 06:27:50 thank you! Dec 27 06:44:19 has the maemo wiki been submitted to archive.org? Dec 27 07:06:01 Back Dec 27 08:19:12 NitaChan, thanks Dec 27 08:19:47 after i reflashed i can't connect to wifi i get a network connection error which is strange Dec 27 08:20:31 Reflashed what, exactly? Dec 27 08:20:36 n900 Dec 27 08:21:52 No, what did you flash on it? A new kernel? MMC data? The root filesystem? Dec 27 08:22:35 NitaChan, long time not going get into it now....i will removing the connection and adding it Dec 27 08:22:45 story* Dec 27 15:56:33 http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/26/mk802-ii-mini-pc-now-costs-as-much-as-raspberry-pi-model-b-lets-compare-them/ Dec 27 15:56:38 * RST38h laughs satanically Dec 27 16:27:45 incredible traffic today Dec 27 16:28:18 RST38h: you spoiled it, we tried to keep this day's chanlog empty ;-P Dec 27 16:32:44 RST38h: you ruined it! Dec 27 16:32:46 for shame! Dec 27 16:47:29 really, how could you? Dec 27 17:06:49 greetz Dec 27 17:07:01 'sup Dec 27 17:07:13 not much. Dec 27 17:07:31 may have found a 1600mAh battery. Dec 27 17:08:19 also, where is the details I need to set up using n900 as a DUN modem over bluetooth? Dec 27 17:08:42 that is, android>n900>internet Dec 27 17:08:54 r00t|home: ping. Dec 27 17:11:14 vi_: are you sure you want DUN? Dec 27 17:11:16 PAN is neater Dec 27 17:12:19 TBH I dont know what I want. I just need to make internet appear on mrs vi__ nexus 7 from her n900. Dec 27 17:12:29 what can android do? Dec 27 17:12:35 any pointers? Dec 27 17:12:47 android can go suck a fuck. Dec 27 17:12:57 it is however what she has. Dec 27 17:13:07 ok, whatevs, let's go with DUN Dec 27 17:13:18 vi_: are you willing to install potentially unstable software on your n900? Dec 27 17:13:31 it is the latest version. Dec 27 17:13:44 depends...how unstable? Dec 27 17:13:49 meh, not much Dec 27 17:13:58 luf's updated bluez Dec 27 17:14:11 has it got magic? Dec 27 17:14:16 loads of it Dec 27 17:14:37 where do I find it? Dec 27 17:15:04 http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/bluez_4.99-2maemo2%2b0cssu1_armel.deb and http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/libbluetooth3_4.99-2maemo2%2b0cssu1_armel.deb Dec 27 17:15:28 before installing, sudo stop bluetoothd Dec 27 17:15:31 after installing, sudo start bluetoothd Dec 27 17:15:34 or reboot, whatevs Dec 27 17:17:54 vi_: your n900 will appear to also be an audio sink - it's true, but you need some extra configuration to use it that way Dec 27 17:18:56 vi_: audio sink means that it can be used as bluetooth headphones Dec 27 17:21:23 oh...ok. Dec 27 17:23:13 namely, you need a loopback module in pulseaudio and some minor dbus ritual Dec 27 17:23:21 DUN should be working right now Dec 27 17:23:52 if you want to try PAN you need a kernel that supports bridge interfaces and iptables Dec 27 17:24:26 * DocScrutinizer05 is missing an option in friggin PA to playback audio files via earpiece Dec 27 17:24:40 DocScrutinizer05: ear*piece*? Dec 27 17:24:42 for listening to recorded phonecalls Dec 27 17:24:50 HSP/HFP? Dec 27 17:24:55 ew, that sucks Dec 27 17:24:55 nope Dec 27 17:25:16 if it's a2dp just, you know, open the file in Multimedia Dec 27 17:25:31 just want to listen to arbitrary audio as if it were a normal call Dec 27 17:25:54 holding N900 to my ear Dec 27 17:26:00 oh, that way Dec 27 17:26:03 hm Dec 27 17:26:19 ok, I installed that shit. Dec 27 17:26:23 now what? Dec 27 17:26:29 vi_: rebooted? or restarted bluetoothd Dec 27 17:26:31 wait, doesn't it play audio through BT? Searching for my headset... Dec 27 17:26:42 int_ua: he means the actual speaker on the front of the n900 Dec 27 17:26:46 oh Dec 27 17:27:00 hm, nice idea Dec 27 17:27:09 int_ua: to be fair i'm not sure if it plays audio through non-a2dp headsets Dec 27 17:27:20 vi_: at that point it's all an android matter Dec 27 17:29:33 how do I make it 'dial'??? Dec 27 17:29:47 are there any droid users here? Dec 27 17:30:00 vi_: iunno Dec 27 17:30:41 do i heed to install the bluetooth-dun package from the repo? Dec 27 17:30:47 no, your n900 is set Dec 27 17:30:59 you just need to "dial" from the other device Dec 27 17:31:19 aka do the slightly magical AT invocation and then dial *99# Dec 27 17:31:33 perhaps PAN would be easier actually Dec 27 17:32:41 depends, I heard some devices do PAN only, other DUN only Dec 27 17:33:59 how do I make gthe bluetooth sound come out of the n900? Dec 27 17:34:13 the device is connected and playing. Dec 27 17:34:45 is pan easier? Dec 27 17:35:25 well, PAN is basically a LAN Dec 27 17:35:32 while DUN is a modem Dec 27 17:36:24 vi_: "playing"? wtf Dec 27 17:36:31 luf: how does one make audio sink work? Dec 27 17:36:43 doc Dec 27 17:36:55 for instance, the iphone only knows how to pan afaik Dec 27 17:36:58 DocScrutinizer05: I understand that. Dec 27 17:37:17 vi_: do you have a capable kernel? Dec 27 17:38:11 latest thumb. Dec 27 17:38:33 do you have busybox-power? Dec 27 17:38:39 yes Dec 27 17:38:58 ok Dec 27 17:39:09 in /etc/bluetooth/network.conf Dec 27 17:39:33 that file does not exist. Dec 27 17:39:35 uncomment the Interface= line in [NAP Role] Dec 27 17:39:46 then you botched the bluez install i suppose Dec 27 17:40:05 hm, maybe not Dec 27 17:40:19 how the fuck can I botch dpkg -i l./*.deb? Dec 27 17:40:28 iuno Dec 27 17:41:10 vi_: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2024141 Dec 27 17:41:28 ignore the Script line for now Dec 27 17:41:31 just the first two Dec 27 17:41:46 then restart bluetoothd Dec 27 17:41:59 you should have a "btnap" interface Dec 27 17:42:20 as clients connect, they'll get bnep interfaces, all bridged together so you shouldn't care about those Dec 27 17:42:51 now follow any howto on how to share a connection on linux Dec 27 17:43:06 the interface you have to share on is btnap Dec 27 17:46:26 you say btnap interface, listed wit ifconfig. Dec 27 17:46:46 ? Dec 27 17:46:53 did you restart bluetoothd? Dec 27 17:46:57 yes Dec 27 17:47:02 don't lie to me Dec 27 17:47:17 hold on, do you have it? Dec 27 17:47:23 no Dec 27 17:47:29 LIAR Dec 27 17:47:43 hm Dec 27 17:48:01 vi_: check in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf if "network" is in the disabled plugins Dec 27 17:49:15 nope. Dec 27 17:49:43 vi_: have you rebooted after installing the new bluez? Dec 27 17:49:54 twice. Dec 27 17:51:00 network is NOT in your /etc/bluetooth/main.conf 4th line? Dec 27 17:51:03 here it is Dec 27 17:51:11 DocScrutinizer05: new bluez Dec 27 17:51:20 mhm Dec 27 17:51:47 vi_: can you try and do sudo brctl addbr btnap Dec 27 17:52:07 hold on actually, how are you listing the interfaces? Dec 27 17:52:10 you need to ifconfig -a Dec 27 17:52:16 haha Dec 27 17:52:29 yes Dec 27 17:52:46 vi_: what does brctl show list? Dec 27 17:52:57 the command is "brctl show" Dec 27 17:53:15 I do not have brctl Dec 27 17:53:16 so why don't you use backticks? Dec 27 17:53:28 vi_: you said you have busybox-power installed Dec 27 17:53:32 you son of a bitch Dec 27 17:53:33 like `brctl list` for example Dec 27 17:53:43 no, `brctl show` Dec 27 17:53:46 kerio: speech Dec 27 17:53:57 DocScrutinizer05: he's full of lies! Dec 27 17:53:59 oops, wrong device. Dec 27 17:54:05 ... Dec 27 17:54:08 installing bbp now. Dec 27 17:54:10 kerio: official Dec 27 17:54:11 vi_: hostnames! Dec 27 17:55:04 official what? Dec 27 17:57:34 just installed bbp with FAM. it autoremoved a bunch of critical stuff. Dec 27 17:57:39 FML. Dec 27 17:57:44 F FAM. Dec 27 17:58:04 ~fapman Dec 27 17:58:05 hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N900 Dec 27 17:58:37 infobot: no, fapman is a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again Dec 27 17:58:37 kerio: okay Dec 27 17:58:43 ~fapman Dec 27 17:58:43 i heard fapman is a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again Dec 27 17:59:10 infobot: no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again Dec 27 17:59:10 okay, kerio Dec 27 17:59:19 ~fam Dec 27 17:59:19 somebody said fam was short for familiar Dec 27 17:59:40 DocScrutinizer05: how do i make a #maemo-only factoid? Dec 27 17:59:43 and how do i redirect? Dec 27 17:59:58 ~#maemo fam is see fapman Dec 27 18:00:00 DocScrutinizer05: okay Dec 27 18:00:32 goddamn. I never thought fapman could fubar eerything so fast. Dec 27 18:00:46 there's a reason apt asks for confirmation Dec 27 18:01:47 ~fam Dec 27 18:01:47 from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again Dec 27 18:02:32 ~_default fam Dec 27 18:02:32 methinks fam is short for familiar Dec 27 18:03:15 ok, i now have bbp Dec 27 18:03:39 vi_: `brctl show` Dec 27 18:03:54 returns an error Dec 27 18:04:28 brctl: SIOCGIFBR: package not installed. Dec 27 18:04:32 :c Dec 27 18:04:57 why the hell nothing ever works. Dec 27 18:05:17 what is supposed to create the network.conf? Dec 27 18:05:48 vi_: you Dec 27 18:06:23 kraft: daddy? Dec 27 18:06:28 bbp-fff Dec 27 18:06:56 vi_: maybe the kernel isn't good enough Dec 27 18:06:59 i'd install kp52 Dec 27 18:07:45 can't you check lsmod? Dec 27 18:08:08 :3 Dec 27 18:08:13 DocScrutinizer05: i'm not sure that network bridging is in a module Dec 27 18:08:42 something has to create bnep Dec 27 18:08:52 bluetoothd should do Dec 27 18:08:58 but brctl should be able to do that too Dec 27 18:09:10 no, a kernel module is doing that Dec 27 18:09:20 oh you mean even higher Dec 27 18:09:27 hm, the "bridge" module apparently Dec 27 18:09:42 it's automatically loaded for me, though Dec 27 18:09:52 vi_: modprobe bridge Dec 27 18:10:21 I said lsmod Dec 27 18:10:32 there is no module bridge. Dec 27 18:10:41 your kernel sucks, install kp52 Dec 27 18:10:53 modinfo even Dec 27 18:11:14 in the mean time, are you toying around with the android tablet to see if bluetooth DUN is doable? Dec 27 18:11:21 because that one is definetely working *right now* for you Dec 27 18:11:34 she is on it. Dec 27 18:11:35 lsmod to see if it's already loaded, modinfo to see if it's available Dec 27 18:11:48 cruising the crapp store for spyware. Dec 27 18:12:02 vi_: yep, the bridge module is in kp52 Dec 27 18:12:16 I will try DUN. Dec 27 18:12:44 Then I will grind 1 year off my lifespan trying to make PAN work. Dec 27 18:15:04 droid users just dont give a shit about their OS being a giant spyware trap. Dec 27 18:15:08 wasn't PAN supposed to work since ages? even on stock? Dec 27 18:15:55 DocScrutinizer05: on diablo, maybe Dec 27 18:17:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Dec 27 18:17:52 :nod: Dec 27 18:17:59 maybe Dec 27 18:23:00 vi_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_DUN might have info even useful for android Dec 27 18:25:59 vi_: remember that you don't need the "bluetooth-dun" package Dec 27 19:43:23 Hello, is possible replace dpkg with newest compiled dpkg from debian? Dec 27 19:43:52 I having problem compile some new packages, which higher versions of dpkg... Dec 27 19:44:17 okias: no you don't Dec 27 19:45:09 kerio: why? I need get new software to n900 without replace distribution... ;-) Dec 27 19:45:20 you don't compile on the n900 anyway Dec 27 19:45:48 I heard something that apt/dpkg pretty heavy modifyied Dec 27 19:46:04 kerio: I compile in VirtualBox in scratchbox Dec 27 19:46:28 and what's your issue? Dec 27 19:47:16 I used some debian based debian/ directory and want to compile it, but it use Multiarch Dec 27 19:47:26 and seems it needs few more things Dec 27 20:06:05 I compiled on the n900 Dec 27 20:06:30 less painful than setting up an environment for small stuff Dec 27 20:06:45 hello Dec 27 20:06:57 * ShadowJK compiles on N800 for same reason Dec 27 20:07:45 SpeedEvil: it might be ok as POC, but I wonder how long it will take to comple the kernel or Qt :P Dec 27 20:08:02 SpeedEvil: too old core packages already :-( Dec 27 20:08:17 SpeedEvil: when I get some microSD, I'll move to NemoMobile... Dec 27 20:08:25 from memory, about an hour Dec 27 20:08:45 SpeedEvil: it takes ~ hour on my 4 cores Dec 27 20:09:05 3.2GHz Dec 27 20:09:06 in qemu? ;-) Dec 27 20:09:20 compilers are native afaik Dec 27 20:09:31 I'm not sure about that Dec 27 20:09:34 I am Dec 27 20:09:38 ok Dec 27 20:09:54 but yes, took >1h here too Dec 27 20:10:16 iirc Dec 27 20:10:30 SpeedEvil: I hope you did it in a chroot Dec 27 20:10:41 yes Dec 27 20:10:47 Qt is about 40 mins, the kernel about 25 Dec 27 20:10:55 copy / to chroot Dec 27 20:11:03 no way n900 will compile Qt in 1 hour Dec 27 20:11:15 nah, kernel Dec 27 20:11:17 apt-get install build-essentials Dec 27 20:11:18 aiui Dec 27 20:11:40 hmm, is a8 that powerful? Dec 27 20:11:41 about an hour meant 20 minutes to 3 hours Dec 27 20:11:54 I forget the actual time Dec 27 20:11:56 and when we talk about kernel, define what that includes ;-D Dec 27 20:12:05 I think it was closer to an hour, Dec 27 20:12:15 and just a kernel image and modules Dec 27 20:12:21 kernel might be fast, modules take ages Dec 27 20:13:09 Compiling kernel for my desktop takes an hour, but I mostly use the distro's .config, which includes everything and the kitchen sink Dec 27 20:13:46 hmmm compuerized kitchen sink, cute Dec 27 20:14:20 I only got a computerized flat door lock Dec 27 20:14:46 also the coffeemaker protocol Dec 27 20:14:54 and warm water from a digital heater Dec 27 20:14:55 and blinkenlights driver Dec 27 20:15:18 with 443MHz remote :-) Dec 27 20:15:30 only the 1 bit blinkenlights driver, not the new 4 bit one Dec 27 20:15:38 yay Dec 27 20:15:56 (pieces of hardware that there only ever existed one device ever, for less than a month) Dec 27 20:16:20 indeed, like cdc_phonet ;-P Dec 27 20:16:36 also, -j2 made it 20% faster' IIRC Dec 27 20:16:40 no, there are many N900s Dec 27 20:16:49 once it's in linus kernel, you never get it out again Dec 27 20:17:13 ShadowJK: but only one app ever used cdc_phonet I guess Dec 27 20:17:20 blinkenlight was a building modified for one weekend Dec 27 20:17:22 the test app Dec 27 20:17:40 I know Dec 27 20:17:57 cdc_phonet never been used at all Dec 27 20:18:19 I might be wrong though on that one Dec 27 20:18:44 ShadowJK: in the vienna metalab we have a blinkenwall :) Dec 27 20:23:54 i read that as "methlab" and was worried for a minute Dec 27 20:34:03 hm don't know about those :D Dec 27 20:48:07 vi_: you said you had a 1600mAh battery? Dec 27 20:48:11 where? Dec 27 21:04:01 kerio: in my phone Dec 27 21:04:08 where did you get it Dec 27 21:04:11 tell me Dec 27 21:04:16 aliexpress Dec 27 21:04:36 let me calibrate it one last time to be certain. Dec 27 21:04:42 vi_: hi Dec 27 21:04:49 hey FMG! Dec 27 21:04:57 happy xmas! Dec 27 21:05:02 vi_: are we talking about bl-5js? Dec 27 21:05:10 kerio: yes Dec 27 21:05:16 which one is it? Dec 27 21:05:30 vi_: enjoying the new -thumb? Dec 27 21:05:31 it is orange with lots of chinese writing on ot. Dec 27 21:05:58 the one that claims 1700? Dec 27 21:05:58 I have not updated yet. Dec 27 21:06:03 possibly Dec 27 21:06:08 linky Dec 27 21:06:11 kerio: link please Dec 27 21:06:12 vi_: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1700mAh-BL-5J-Battery-for-Nokia-5523-5230-5230-Nuron-5800XM-5800-XpressMusic-C3-00-N900/312109846.html Dec 27 21:06:33 "High quality Li-ion battery" Dec 27 21:06:38 Total Price: Dec 27 21:06:38 US $46.23 Dec 27 21:06:42 nice :D Dec 27 21:06:42 that doesn't look remotely like high quality Dec 27 21:06:55 wat? Dec 27 21:07:01 it's 9.94 for me Dec 27 21:07:10 That is the picture... Dec 27 21:07:10 how much is the shipping to germany? Dec 27 21:07:28 worldwide for free if you take the slo boat. Dec 27 21:07:45 shipping cost to bulgaria is 37.24 Dec 27 21:07:59 ...aren't you german? wtf Dec 27 21:08:06 no you're not Dec 27 21:08:21 kerio: no. never been :P Dec 27 21:08:31 freemangordon: sorry for your loss in shipping deals Dec 27 21:08:37 heh Dec 27 21:08:52 wtf is going on with donations for board? http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ they get less instead more, iirc this total been ~2800 a week ago Dec 27 21:09:13 actually there is a cost some 400 km from here Dec 27 21:09:18 *coast Dec 27 21:09:38 DocScrutinizer05: -249 Dec 27 21:09:43 DocScrutinizer05: they paid for some license Dec 27 21:09:43 vBulletin License purchase Dec 27 21:09:48 yep Dec 27 21:09:49 I will find my order and find the battery I ordered. You know the chinese will rip off a rip-off whle rip-off themselves. Dec 27 21:10:02 ooh, that's in with the donations? Dec 27 21:10:05 odd Dec 27 21:10:23 I don't see the point of paying for vbulletin. Dec 27 21:10:24 both credits and debits Dec 27 21:10:27 I mean seriously. Dec 27 21:10:34 teotwaki: we run out of time Dec 27 21:10:48 Funny, I'm watching "Timeout" Dec 27 21:11:02 no timeout for TMO :) Dec 27 21:11:06 Anyway, freemangordon, running out of time? Dec 27 21:11:26 reggie said he'll shut down TMO around 20 Jan Dec 27 21:11:31 and? Dec 27 21:11:40 teotwaki: migrating to a free solution 'costs' us way more than the license Dec 27 21:11:42 sardinimoi-away: please deactivate your stupid away nicknames. Dec 27 21:11:48 not time to find FOSS solution and to migrate Dec 27 21:12:08 *no Dec 27 21:12:41 and not 'around' but 01-20 the latest Dec 27 21:12:57 while keeping the functionality intact. at least that's my understanding Dec 27 21:13:05 DocScrutinizer05: :nod: Dec 27 21:13:19 I'm fairly sure SMF has converters for every version of vB available. Dec 27 21:13:35 teotwaki: there are some custom plugins aiui Dec 27 21:13:35 we got proprietary plugins Dec 27 21:14:02 hmm, actually doc knows better then me :) Dec 27 21:14:23 anyway even conversion is not an option when low on manpower and stuff *has* to work Dec 27 21:15:13 it's a silly 2xx $ Dec 27 21:15:26 how much do you take the hour? Dec 27 21:15:41 me? Dec 27 21:15:44 yep Dec 27 21:15:45 Free, for maemo.org. Dec 27 21:15:52 hah Dec 27 21:16:06 deal, but not for tmo, for admin Dec 27 21:17:04 I've paid those 250 many times over in bandwidth. Dec 27 21:17:19 whatever, Reggie helps on migration, given we use vBulletin Dec 27 21:17:59 sure Dec 27 21:18:31 it's just playing safe Dec 27 21:19:09