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Dec 30 05:27:58 <MetalGearSolid> Can anyone confirm if gTranslate 0.6.1 is currently working or not ?
Dec 30 06:00:41 <markmx> Hi, how I can create my own vanilla firmware from n900 with my condigs?
Dec 30 06:00:57 <robbiethe1st> 'condigs'?
Dec 30 06:01:38 <robbiethe1st> Check the first page of the backupmenu topic - BM's going to be the easiest way to take an image of your system, and there's some commands in there for creating a flashable rootfs image
Dec 30 06:02:09 <markmx> ok, thanks ll check it
Dec 30 06:09:22 <markmx> have to reboot for using it?
Dec 30 06:10:17 <robbiethe1st> It's a pre-boot-environment tool, so yes
Dec 30 06:10:24 <robbiethe1st> open keyboard when first powering on
Dec 30 06:12:46 <markmx> coooool it's working :)
Dec 30 06:18:10 <markmx> holy,,,,, robbie is it you?????? :))) cool soft man
Dec 30 06:20:50 <robbiethe1st> Yeah
Dec 30 06:22:03 <markmx> ok, so, now I have two files, for root and for opt, it's tar archives, if I want to reflash my dev I have to flash combined, then vanilla then install buckupmeny and unpack backup???
Dec 30 06:22:26 <robbiethe1st> Basically.
Dec 30 06:22:40 <robbiethe1st> Or, you can flash a rootfs image that has BM installed
Dec 30 06:22:45 <robbiethe1st> then restore from there
Dec 30 06:23:14 <markmx> cool man, thanks again :)
Dec 30 06:27:00 <markmx> have you acc for donation?
Dec 30 08:32:34 <jonwil> hi
Dec 30 08:40:47 <beford> hi
Dec 30 09:15:24 <edchngtf> ~seen idont
Dec 30 09:15:27 <infobot> idont <~iDont@dhcp-077-250-143-002.chello.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 14h 34m 55s ago, saying: 'it's Friday :)'.
Dec 30 09:16:02 <Estel_> :/
Dec 30 09:21:15 <jonwil> ~seen pali
Dec 30 09:21:17 <infobot> pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 22h 1m 5s ago, saying: 'freemangordon, do you know state of portrait keyboard?'.
Dec 30 10:19:16 <markmx> soory was quit
Dec 30 10:36:10 <kerio> but then who was quit
Dec 30 10:37:01 <markmx> just want to donate for robbiethe1st's soft :)
Dec 30 10:47:03 <jonwil> what soft is that
Dec 30 10:47:04 <jonwil> ?
Dec 30 10:48:57 <Skry> backupmenu
Dec 30 10:52:56 <kerio> vi____: i ordered that battery, btw
Dec 30 10:56:31 <jon_y> kerio: is kernel-power only maintained by 1 guy?
Dec 30 10:56:48 <kerio> i s'pose so
Dec 30 10:57:00 <jon_y> I have a minor patch that needs pushing
Dec 30 10:57:14 <jon_y> fix build with newer binutils
Dec 30 10:57:23 <jon_y> one-liner
Dec 30 10:58:17 <jon_y> unfortunately Pali is missing
Dec 30 10:58:34 <kerio> PM on TMO maybe
Dec 30 10:58:35 <kerio> or an email
Dec 30 10:58:38 <kerio> or a NoteServ noce
Dec 30 10:58:40 <kerio> *note
Dec 30 10:59:31 <jon_y> ~noteserv
Dec 30 10:59:49 <jon_y> ~help noteserv
Dec 30 11:03:06 <kerio> /msg noteserv@services. help
Dec 30 11:03:23 <kerio> no, wait
Dec 30 11:03:26 <kerio> it's not @services.
Dec 30 11:03:28 <kerio> for some reason
Dec 30 11:03:41 <kerio> oh, it's memoserv
Dec 30 11:06:05 <Luke-Jr> kerio: didn't you get the memo?
Dec 30 11:06:18 <kerio> nope!
Dec 30 11:45:36 <f3bruary> just installed the new cutetube qml
Dec 30 11:46:41 <f3bruary> I wonder why xtube still istn working
Dec 30 11:51:55 <f3bruary> oh cool I fixed it
Dec 30 11:53:12 <f3bruary> thanks to jurgel on the forums
Dec 30 12:00:48 <kerio> f3bruary: oh you
Dec 30 12:00:53 <f3bruary> :D
Dec 30 12:04:27 <f3bruary> kerio: may I ask where you from ?
Dec 30 12:34:10 <Sicelo> he's likely to be from Mars :P
Dec 30 12:51:03 <Gadgetoid> Anywhere but Venus…
Dec 30 12:54:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen robbiethe1st
Dec 30 12:54:49 <infobot> robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@71-221-196-99.spkn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 32m 3s ago, saying: 'then restore from there'.
Dec 30 12:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Dec 30 12:55:04 <infobot> somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Dec 30 12:58:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~logs
Dec 30 12:58:58 <infobot> All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.
Dec 30 13:04:18 <Sicelo> hmm, so we have at least two sets of logs for this chan?
Dec 30 13:50:50 <f3bruary> Sicelo: + me
Dec 30 13:59:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: obviously. why?
Dec 30 14:00:14 <DocScrutinizer05> emphasis on "at least"
Dec 30 14:01:05 <DocScrutinizer05> f3bruary: could you explain your last post? "+ me" doesn't make sense to me
Dec 30 14:04:59 <f3bruary> Sicelo> | hmm, so we have at least two sets of logs for this chan?
Dec 30 14:05:04 <f3bruary> f3bruary> | Sicelo: + me
Dec 30 14:05:41 <f3bruary> my irssi logs all
Dec 30 14:36:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, probably each IRC client does
Dec 30 14:37:12 <f3bruary> I don't think irssi does it by default, but I could be wron
Dec 30 14:37:12 <f3bruary> g
Dec 30 14:37:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and there's no way to tell which of those ~250 logs get published anywhere
Dec 30 14:38:10 <DocScrutinizer05> not even aunt google knows about all publicly available chanlogs
Dec 30 14:44:20 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like somebody sneaked a forkbomb into his todo list
Dec 30 14:46:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or... do you know those nasty webpages that open child browser windows which open other child browser windows? My desktop looks quite like that, seems I can't close windows as fast as other topics arise that need new windows or tabs to linger around waiting for processing
Dec 30 14:48:08 * DocScrutinizer05 opens a bookmark directory "discarded/postponed/look here after retirement"
Dec 30 14:48:54 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe I should rename it to "trashbin, please empty eventually"
Dec 30 14:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> just for giving a figure: it sometimes takes me 20min of searching thru my web bookmarks for a particular link I know I got somewhere, until I finally make up my mind to open "edit bookmarks" and exploit the find/grep feature
Dec 30 14:51:50 <DocScrutinizer05> same for locating the right one out of 45 browser windows with sometimes almost ten tabs each
Dec 30 14:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> often it's faster to google for the right URL and open the same window *again*, instead of finding the already opened one
Dec 30 14:52:58 <Sicelo> yeah, by "at least", i was just referring to the fact that i have no way to know if there are other bots here taking logs
Dec 30 14:55:04 * DocScrutinizer05 just reduced open windows from 45 to 37
Dec 30 14:55:12 <DocScrutinizer05> took only 20 minutes
Dec 30 15:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> wiki.m.o completely down?
Dec 30 15:04:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, just usual weekend slowdown
Dec 30 15:08:35 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/ another window closed, down to 36
Dec 30 15:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/ \o\ /o/ \o/  duplicate with 2 tabs, down to 35
Dec 30 15:44:25 <markmx> where is  robbiethe1st?
Dec 30 16:30:23 <DocScrutinizer05> markmx: see:
Dec 30 16:30:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Dec 30 16:30:26 <infobot> [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Dec 30 16:31:00 <DocScrutinizer05> markmx: robbiethe1st is only sporadically on IRC
Dec 30 16:31:51 <DocScrutinizer05> but - picking up on your pervious comment/request - there's a donation button on bottom of post#1 on that thread about BM
Dec 30 16:34:34 <markmx> donated :)
Dec 30 16:51:13 <kerio> f3bruary: xvideos, if you have a flash blocker installed, gives you a "your browser doesn't support this website: [download link]"
Dec 30 16:51:27 <kerio> and it's an avi that works well in Media Player
Dec 30 16:51:54 <kerio> ...or so i heard
Dec 30 17:03:45 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: how's life?
Dec 30 17:03:50 <f3bruary> you talking about xtube kerio ?
Dec 30 17:03:54 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: brkn?
Dec 30 17:04:05 <f3bruary> I use cutetube for that not a browser
Dec 30 17:04:11 <kerio> f3bruary: i don't know about xtube
Dec 30 17:05:00 <f3bruary> kerio: was that a question or follow up on my previous xtube issue then ?
Dec 30 17:05:03 <f3bruary> cause im confused
Dec 30 17:05:22 <kerio> i was suggesting a website that doesn't require an extra program
Dec 30 17:05:34 <markmx> we need more porn in this chat?
Dec 30 17:05:36 <f3bruary> ah
Dec 30 17:05:43 <f3bruary> markmx: more ?
Dec 30 17:05:50 <markmx> :))) nevermind
Dec 30 17:07:18 <f3bruary> kerio: oh so you install the flash blocker on purpose so you can open the link in media player
Dec 30 17:07:34 <kerio> no, i install the flash blocker because flash player is a piece of crap
Dec 30 17:08:06 <f3bruary> and xvideos is just a bonus that comes with it
Dec 30 17:10:12 <f3bruary> where u from kerio ?
Dec 30 17:10:18 <kerio> it_IT
Dec 30 17:10:25 <f3bruary> italiano
Dec 30 17:11:26 <markmx> holy ho =_
Dec 30 17:11:28 <markmx> italia
Dec 30 17:11:55 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: Hi Doc, all's fine brkn should be back home tomorrow so we can go full steam tomorrow onwards
Dec 30 17:29:29 <f3bruary> so who can recommend a good mp4 player for n90
Dec 30 17:29:32 <f3bruary> n900
Dec 30 17:29:58 <f3bruary> cause default often doesnt work or lags/stutters
Dec 30 17:30:05 <f3bruary> so does mplayer
Dec 30 17:30:15 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: good :-D
Dec 30 17:30:32 <f3bruary> could be due to the quality
Dec 30 17:30:47 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: tomoorow == doomsday 
Dec 30 17:30:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yay, tomorrow*
Dec 30 17:31:10 <thedead1440> haha
Dec 30 17:31:28 <thedead1440> only metaphorically though :p
Dec 30 17:31:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not quite sure what will happen
Dec 30 17:31:55 <thedead1440> does any higher authority know?
Dec 30 17:32:09 <DocScrutinizer05> actually *.m.o might go down, nobody knows
Dec 30 17:32:22 <thedead1440> its on random possibilities?
Dec 30 17:32:46 <DocScrutinizer05> it's some "sekrit wisdom" inside Nokia and Nemein
Dec 30 17:32:58 <thedead1440> oh those sekrit stuff again
Dec 30 17:33:07 <thedead1440> NDA and all that
Dec 30 17:33:18 <DocScrutinizer05> no, just CBA to share info
Dec 30 17:33:36 <thedead1440> haha that's the secret NDA :p
Dec 30 17:33:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet inside Nokia and Nemein there is no secrets around when contracts for hosting will ectually expire
Dec 30 17:34:08 <thedead1440> how could there be secrets for that?
Dec 30 17:34:25 * thedead1440 thinks time for another email to you-know-who :D
Dec 30 17:34:44 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a mystery to 'ordinary mortals' like you or me ;-D
Dec 30 17:34:57 <thedead1440> hence we are ordinary mortals ;)
Dec 30 17:35:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ferenc sent a mail regarding some niche detail about vcs.maemo.org SSL cert, 30 min ago
Dec 30 17:36:02 <thedead1440> yup read it
Dec 30 17:36:29 <thedead1440> waiting for the first response to it which would most likely be oh ok that can be added onto the agenda for next NDA meeting :p
Dec 30 17:36:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I gather Nemein has no idea whatsoever about the amount of FUD (literally) in community regarding termination of hosting
Dec 30 17:37:30 <thedead1440> I am not sure of Nemein but I do know most hosters don't give cahoots unless pushed
Dec 30 17:38:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not exactly nervous since I know we got proper backups and Nemein is working to migrate stuff to new servers, but what will happen the night from tomorrow to next day... Who knows?
Dec 30 17:38:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~dict cahoots
Dec 30 17:38:37 <infobot> Dictionary 'cahoots' accompaniment, accordance, affiliation, agreement, alignment, alliance, amalgamation, association, co-working, coaction, coadunation, coalescence, coalition, coincidence, collaboration, colleagueship, collectivity, collegialism, collegiality, collusion, combination, combined effort, comradeship, concert, concerted action, concomitance, concordance, concourse, concurrence, confederacy, confederation, confluence, confraternity, ...
Dec 30 17:40:05 <DocScrutinizer05> we might face a real downtime for *.maemo.org, possibly even weeks
Dec 30 17:40:11 <thedead1440> i hope not
Dec 30 17:40:19 <DocScrutinizer05> or we don't see any disruption at all
Dec 30 17:40:24 <thedead1440> the on-going wiki etc issues are already bad
Dec 30 17:40:51 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody except Nemein seems to know
Dec 30 17:41:06 <thedead1440> do they actually know?
Dec 30 17:41:17 <DocScrutinizer05> if anybody knows then Nemein
Dec 30 17:41:36 <thedead1440> can't they be asked of what consequences they anticipate, if any?
Dec 30 17:41:54 <DocScrutinizer05> of course even they might face "oops, servers scrapped on hoster" on 2013-01-01
Dec 30 17:42:43 <thedead1440> this is our mayan apocalypse moment :p
Dec 30 17:42:45 <DocScrutinizer05> since Nemein is providing system administration, not hosting
Dec 30 17:42:53 <thedead1440> who is doing the hosting then?
Dec 30 17:42:54 <thedead1440> logica?
Dec 30 17:42:57 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Dec 30 17:42:59 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Dec 30 17:43:58 <thedead1440> logica seem reliable
Dec 30 17:44:31 <DocScrutinizer05> so let's hope they got no order from Nokia to reliably shut down servers 2013-01-01_00:00UTC
Dec 30 17:44:52 <thedead1440> want to check with the hostmaster @ Nokia? :D
Dec 30 17:44:59 <kerio> it's more likely that they got no money from nokia to keep the servers up after 2012-12-31_23:59UTC
Dec 30 17:45:03 <DocScrutinizer05> today? tomorrow? haha!
Dec 30 17:45:10 <thedead1440> now ;)
Dec 30 17:45:16 <thedead1440> send an email?
Dec 30 17:45:23 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: is TMO on the wayback machine?
Dec 30 17:45:23 <thedead1440> or call?
Dec 30 17:45:33 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: afaik not
Dec 30 17:45:40 <kerio> the wiki?
Dec 30 17:45:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Dec 30 17:45:55 <thedead1440> wiki is till july '12 iirc
Dec 30 17:46:28 <thedead1440> s/'12/'11/
Dec 30 17:46:30 <infobot> thedead1440 meant: wiki is till july '11 iirc
Dec 30 17:46:48 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: what would change if we know about what happens in ~30h? Won't it just spoil the surprise? ;-P
Dec 30 17:47:00 <DocScrutinizer05> we can't change anything anyway
Dec 30 17:47:06 <thedead1440> haha unfortunately true
Dec 30 17:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> (wayback) could somebody trigger an update?
Dec 30 17:49:51 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: hehe even wayback say time is running out :D : https://archive.org/donate/?n=DonateBanner-timeisrunningout.png
Dec 30 17:59:17 <ShadowJK> If logica is in finland it probably wouldnt shutdown until after 2nd jan, unless someone programmed in a kill
Dec 30 17:59:37 <ShadowJK> (since everyone will be drunk and hungover 31st - 1st)
Dec 30 18:03:05 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty awesome: random test URL: http://web-beta.archive.org/liveweb/http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1289836
Dec 30 18:03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously "search" won't work as usual ;-P
Dec 30 18:05:00 <thedead1440> haha
Dec 30 18:05:21 <DocScrutinizer05> hell, I should donate
Dec 30 18:07:32 <thedead1440> it seems like you can upload? what does it mean? you can just put a URL and it triggers an update?
Dec 30 18:09:48 <markmx> today is a day of donate :) I was :)
Dec 30 18:26:23 * DocScrutinizer05 too
Dec 30 18:27:08 <MrPingu> Hi
Dec 30 18:27:55 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, need some leisure time before answering ivgalvez' mail about how to proceed with maemo infra
Dec 30 18:28:10 <thedead1440> good so communication is present :)
Dec 30 18:28:18 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Dec 30 18:28:40 <DocScrutinizer05> he asked for something he doesn't know yet already exists ;-)
Dec 30 18:29:05 <thedead1440> :D
Dec 30 18:29:37 <DocScrutinizer05> duh, should check if my salary came in
Dec 30 18:29:55 <thedead1440> i didn't know HF are paying you :p
Dec 30 18:30:01 <DocScrutinizer05> hahaha
Dec 30 18:30:24 <DocScrutinizer05> if anything then rather the other way round ;-)
Dec 30 18:30:36 <thedead1440> hehe
Dec 30 18:30:58 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever, bbl o/
Dec 30 18:37:56 <DocScrutinizer05> last wiki snapshot on archive.org: 2012-07-10
Dec 30 18:38:12 <DocScrutinizer05> oops 2012-06-10
Dec 30 18:38:28 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea how to trigger a snapshot
Dec 31 00:47:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I notice a worrying lack of comprehensive info anywhere in a single place, about plans and current status of migration
Dec 31 00:47:48 <DocScrutinizer05> wondering what such place could be? tmo?
Dec 31 00:49:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen woody14619
Dec 31 00:49:11 <ShadowJK> lol?
Dec 31 00:49:15 <infobot> woody14619 <~Woody@Maemo/community/contributor/Woody14619> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 1h 11m 37s ago, saying: ':)'.
Dec 31 00:49:29 <DocScrutinizer05> lol indeed
Dec 31 00:50:00 <jonwil> ~seen pali
Dec 31 00:50:02 <infobot> pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 13h 29m 50s ago, saying: 'freemangordon, do you know state of portrait keyboard?'.
Dec 31 00:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> otoh I'd like to allow Nemein, board, whomever, to add factoids
Dec 31 00:50:29 * ShadowJK ponders moving daily N900 to thumb
Dec 31 00:50:43 <DocScrutinizer05> to an extent where we'd see updates twice a day
Dec 31 00:51:20 <DocScrutinizer05> gonna get me a beer, and ponder it...
Dec 31 00:51:25 * jonwil wishes he could get in touch with pali to discuss changes to http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/
Dec 31 00:51:51 <DocScrutinizer05> jonwil: /join #maemo-ssu
Dec 31 00:52:00 <DocScrutinizer05> pali is veery active there
Dec 31 00:52:14 <jonwil> yes I know, I am IN #maemo-ssu right now :P
Dec 31 00:52:22 <jonwil> but he isn't around :(
Dec 31 00:53:15 <jonwil> in any case at least I have a widget on my phone that displays what it should display (and what it used to display before pali made lots of changes)
Dec 31 00:59:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you maybe should set up a page explaining what it does, in plain language like a design spec, so it could get reviewed
Dec 31 01:01:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think it's good practice when several coders patch on one project, with no clear masterplan to follow, and each of them doesn't understand what and why been done by the other
Dec 31 01:02:54 <DocScrutinizer05> when kerio finds further bugs (it's always kerio to do that ;-D) first we go to that spec and see if the bug is maybe in line with spec and thus the spec needs to get augmented
Dec 31 01:03:33 <DocScrutinizer05> if however the spec says this mustn't happen the anybody can go to the source and find where it differs from what the spec says it should do
Dec 31 01:03:48 <kerio> /your face/ needs to be augmented
Dec 31 01:03:54 <DocScrutinizer05> s/the any/then any/
Dec 31 01:03:55 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: if however the spec says this mustn't happen then anybody can go to the source and find where it differs from what the spec says it should do
Dec 31 01:04:18 <kerio> also hi
Dec 31 01:06:44 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc pali did a lot of patching to get standard behaviour in line with that of the stock nokia applet that got replaced (maybe a tad too early and too unconditionally)
Dec 31 01:08:09 <DocScrutinizer05> first rule for CSSU: we don't want to introduce regressions from stock, and to guarantee that we can handle any regressions appearing, we need an active maintainer
Dec 31 01:09:38 <DocScrutinizer05> alas I pushed CBSMS-widget into CSSU without checking either of both prerequisites myself
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