**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 02:59:59 2013 Jan 09 04:40:16 What is "cellular network" on N900 ? Is there a wiki for this ? Jan 09 04:42:32 ~wiki cellphone Jan 09 04:42:37 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellphone (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use dmy dates|date=November 2012}} {{Redirect|Cell Phone|the film|Cell Phone (film)|the Handphone film|Handphone (film)}} {{pp-semi-protected|small=yes}} QCP-2700, a mid-1990s candybar style phone, and an iPhone 4S, a current production smartphone.]] A 'mobile phone' (also known as a 'cellular phone', 'cell phone' and a 'hand phone') is a device that can make and receive telephone ... Jan 09 04:48:07 what's the name of the package I need to "apt-get source ..." the stock Maemo kernel? Jan 09 04:51:42 kernel-maemo, kernel-modules-maemo, I guess Jan 09 04:54:19 I think kernel-maemo is the old name for kernel-power? Jan 09 04:54:55 might be right Jan 09 04:55:33 even the kernel-bootimg package says: Source: kernel-bootimg Jan 09 04:55:44 and is about 5K when downloaded with apt-get source Jan 09 04:55:58 ask pali or freemangordon Jan 09 04:56:11 or moh Jan 09 04:56:41 or maybe what I want has been done already: an ext4 module for the stock kernel? Jan 09 04:56:51 too long ago I dealt with that Jan 09 05:00:41 you might find something in paulfertser's branch of hostmode kernel on hen.garage.maemo.org Jan 09 05:01:19 it has a clean kernel with only Nokia patches on top, as a basis Jan 09 05:01:24 iirc Jan 09 05:02:14 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/h-e-n/ Jan 09 05:03:50 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/maemo-rx51-kernel Jan 09 05:07:17 unclouded: you'll need git for that one Jan 09 05:08:12 unless you plan to wget https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=tree;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4;hb=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4 Jan 09 05:08:30 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jan 09 05:09:49 cheers! Jan 09 05:11:53 unclouded: the also should be something more official, I recall I've seen mxr.maemo.orh once Jan 09 05:12:30 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/ Jan 09 05:12:46 you should be able to find out on which git it is based Jan 09 05:16:29 there's an rx51_tiny_defconfig there as well as rx51_defconfig! Jan 09 08:26:22 Anyone setup a maemo scratch recently? The instructions here -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation aren't going smoothly on my Ubuntu 12.04 install Jan 09 08:33:01 nvm, got it going Jan 09 10:22:48 Hello! o/ Jan 09 12:27:11 yay so wiki.maemo.org finally works; did it start working quite some while ago? Jan 09 14:05:55 thedead1440: it works on new IP Jan 09 14:32:54 thedead1440: or are you saying Nemein adjusted the DNS record to point to the working wiki now? Jan 09 14:33:56 err nope, not yet Jan 09 14:40:13 teotwaki: been you the mxr.m.o guy? Jan 09 14:40:26 waa? Jan 09 14:40:39 then I guess it's been timeless Jan 09 14:41:14 timeless: mxr.maemo.org, any info? Jan 09 14:50:13 DocScrutinizer05: i am not using your hosts file and it still works hence my surprise Jan 09 14:50:54 what do you mean by "works"? Sorry can't test easily now, since my hosts *is* redirected Jan 09 14:51:07 login and edit works Jan 09 14:51:13 duh! Jan 09 14:51:35 ah false alarm Jan 09 14:51:45 well, seems somebody backported the fix from new to obsolete server Jan 09 14:51:47 just found something in my hosts file: 188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org Jan 09 14:51:54 HAHA Jan 09 14:52:06 so in my sleep I used your hosts file's edit somehow :p Jan 09 14:52:17 i can't remember too why i did that :S Jan 09 14:52:34 maybe ~jrtools lured you in? Jan 09 14:52:38 ~jrtools Jan 09 14:52:39 cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 09 14:52:45 oh yes it must be that Jan 09 14:52:54 you were parroting it a number of times i remember Jan 09 14:53:27 anyway its good I can get some important edits done now. Thanks for it! Jan 09 14:54:07 I'm honestly feeling relieved that we don't have TWO editable wikis now Jan 09 14:54:37 would've created next nightmare Jan 09 14:54:47 haha Jan 09 15:01:21 DocScrutinizer05: which part of it? Jan 09 15:01:26 i think someone broke the dns Jan 09 15:02:14 iirc it's somewhere near http://timelesss.justdave.net/mxr.maemo.org Jan 09 15:02:27 ooh, err Jan 09 15:02:37 put that on an s diet? Jan 09 15:03:33 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/ Jan 09 15:05:03 timeless: we're about to backup stuff for maemo.org. mxr is derived data, but we might want to backup the magic behind it Jan 09 15:05:30 so you say mxr.maemo.org is just a redirect to that URL you mentioned? Jan 09 15:06:24 (sorry for laziness, I probably could check the IPs but my etc/hosts makes that a tad cumbersome) Jan 09 15:06:42 no Jan 09 15:06:48 it's a cname for timeless.justdave.net Jan 09 15:06:56 which responds differently when you visit it by that hostname Jan 09 15:07:15 mhm Jan 09 15:07:34 but the host is justdave.net, not maemo.org? Jan 09 15:08:11 so I could consider it "safe" for now? Jan 09 15:10:22 timeless: ^^^ Jan 09 15:11:10 I.E. the server is not one of those Nokia will tear down soonish? Jan 09 15:11:22 right Jan 09 15:11:29 good :-) Jan 09 15:11:31 it's actually dreamhost Jan 09 15:11:37 as long as you can cname it, it works Jan 09 15:11:56 oh yeah, don't get me started on DNS Jan 09 15:12:56 dnsmaster@nokia.com is a vacant position obviously Jan 09 15:14:45 obviously Jan 09 15:16:58 oh, the dns isn't dead yet Jan 09 15:17:36 nope, the DNS are all under Nokia control still - and *only* under Nokia control Jan 09 15:18:22 oh shit: merlin1991: Posts: 81 | Thanked: 666 times Jan 09 15:18:37 hm? Jan 09 15:18:47 merlin1991: too low values? Jan 09 15:18:48 look at the thankscount ;) Jan 09 15:19:23 meh, gimme a link and I'll make that 667 Jan 09 15:19:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1311844#post1311844 hm you could fix it there :D Jan 09 15:20:53 I'm more concerned that you broke my record of 6.x thanks per post Jan 09 15:20:59 ;-P Jan 09 15:21:13 :D Jan 09 15:21:32 merlin1991: 668 ;) Jan 09 15:21:35 Haha Jan 09 15:21:51 damn I felt so powerfull and evil, now it's all gone Jan 09 15:21:51 heh Jan 09 15:23:40 merlin1991: this should be your goal ;) freemangordon 7th Jan 2013 , 14:46 Posts: 1,990 | Thanked: 7,582 times | Joined on Mar 2010 Jan 09 15:24:46 Karmic competition. Jan 09 15:24:55 * GeneralAntilles remembers when there were no Thanks! Jan 09 15:26:46 there were two buttons: "Thanks!" and "No, thanks" Jan 09 15:27:33 "No, thanks" would end badly. Jan 09 15:28:13 possibly Jan 09 15:30:07 freemangordon is cheating ;-P Jan 09 15:30:21 well not so much Jan 09 15:30:32 his ratio is below 4 because he posts so much :D Jan 09 15:31:23 I wish I had posted #1 of some threads that I initiated Jan 09 15:31:42 check MohammadAG's out too ;) Posts: 2,454 | Thanked: 11,967 times | Jan 09 15:31:46 moh got more thanks for h-e-n than me ;-P Jan 09 15:32:12 merlin1991: :D from thanks -> ratio? what next? Jan 09 15:32:49 GeneralAntilles: accepted? Jan 09 15:33:09 luf: thanks / # of posts Jan 09 15:33:23 I understand ;) Jan 09 15:33:25 DocScrutinizer05, hmm? Jan 09 15:33:30 CO Jan 09 15:34:06 HF-CO Jan 09 15:34:25 Ah, yeah. Jan 09 15:34:27 Just needs to be voted on. Jan 09 15:34:41 I hope that's just formal! Jan 09 15:35:18 so already congrats from me (and whole council) Jan 09 15:36:55 Doc: So, is it HF?Or is it CO? Or are we getting all kinky and using DF? =) Jan 09 15:36:55 wtf are you 2 on about? Jan 09 15:37:03 now 3 :D Jan 09 15:42:03 DocScrutinizer05: Hi! ;) Jan 09 15:42:48 When the garage.maemo will be available? Jan 09 15:43:23 I have a newest and fully working version of nmap Jan 09 15:44:51 RST38h: I guess you're kidding me Jan 09 15:45:19 merlin1991: HiFo searching for new Communication officer Jan 09 15:47:02 ~#maemo DNS is http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts Jan 09 15:47:03 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jan 09 15:47:14 spoofy: ^^^ please try that Jan 09 15:48:27 spoofy: for now the "old" garage will never again come up, and "new" garage may or may not work already, but for sure will be available under the URL no sooner than HiFo owns/controls the maemo domain Jan 09 15:50:00 Ugh. So you have some serious problems with migration Jan 09 15:50:30 the main problem we have right now is Nokia not transfering domain control to HiFo Jan 09 15:51:15 no surprise there Jan 09 15:51:43 * DocScrutinizer05 deletes a line about a new insulting domain name to be used when that doesn't work out well in the end Jan 09 15:51:51 Okey. But why? When did HiFo start to talk with nokia guys? Jan 09 15:52:18 DocScrutinizer05, let me guess, they have the TM for maemo, so want to keep hold of the domain too Jan 09 15:52:22 as business asset Jan 09 15:52:24 spoofy: for sure no sooner than HiFo got established Jan 09 15:52:53 nokia wankers... Jan 09 15:53:02 LinuxCode: that's exactly what hiFo and Nokia lawyers(!) are talking about Jan 09 15:53:14 hehe Jan 09 15:53:19 figures Jan 09 15:54:16 I need to establish a best practice for HiFo board to CC council on their negotiations Jan 09 15:54:35 Ugh. I know that this is not a good moment but can someone contact with onion router developers? We need a tor client update. Jan 09 15:55:14 spoofy: everybody looking at *you* Jan 09 15:55:28 Ugh. Okey. Jan 09 15:56:12 There's just a few things to finish pwniephone image. Jan 09 17:47:18 spoofy: how "image" is your image? Jan 09 17:49:19 kerio: what? Jan 09 17:49:45 kerio: I'm making a image - snapshot to backup via backupmenu Jan 09 17:49:51 like in pwniephone Jan 09 17:50:16 a tarball can't really be called image imo Jan 09 17:50:53 With scripts that can be called "installers"? I think it can be called image ;) Jan 09 17:52:02 kerio: maybe you prefered to pack this via jpeg or tiff? :P Jan 09 17:52:21 an image is something that you write 1:1 on a storage device Jan 09 17:52:52 yeah.. and? Jan 09 17:53:47 Ugh.. nevermind. I update many things on maemo like ruby, subversion, nmap, metasploit Jan 09 17:55:40 so ppp will be great ;) Jan 09 18:38:07 hello huys Jan 09 18:38:45 WizardNumberNext: hi, how is 3.8 going? Jan 09 18:39:45 I have one question about bq27x00_battery driver. CURRENT_NOW, CHARGE_NOW, CHARGE_FULL are those in uA or some raw values? Jan 09 18:40:03 quite good - I lost track of patches, because of reboot Jan 09 18:40:34 but, quite few patches didn't apply, because they were already there and some had be to moved to other places Jan 09 18:41:09 hmm, what wa already there? bqxxx stuff? Jan 09 18:41:13 *was Jan 09 18:41:21 I made changes in patches itself as well, so I can send it back later on, when it would be finished Jan 09 18:41:27 I am around 40 Jan 09 18:41:44 40? Jan 09 18:41:48 rx51 ir, charger, bq2xxxxx Jan 09 18:41:54 yep Jan 09 18:42:03 those are already upstreamed Jan 09 18:42:05 yes somewhere around 40th patch Jan 09 18:42:11 good Jan 09 18:42:35 I know, as I said some good to vanilia kernel already Jan 09 18:42:51 http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3850056/qualcomms-insane-ces-2013-keynote-pictures-tweets Jan 09 18:42:55 I am bit worried about API, but we shall see Jan 09 18:43:13 haha Jan 09 18:43:15 :nod: Jan 09 18:44:24 if, API would be changed, then I would read changes and see if i can fix that (i am not good programmer, but still can fix some stuff and write patches and programms) Jan 09 18:45:04 freemangordon, so do you know if those values in bq27x00 are in uA? Jan 09 18:45:41 WizardNumberNext, uA, uV, or uAh Jan 09 18:45:50 Hello! Jan 09 18:46:11 look to Documentations/power in linux git tree Jan 09 18:46:23 Pali, so those are in real uV and uA and uAh? If so, then it is really nice Jan 09 18:46:34 hello MrPingu Jan 09 18:47:01 Pali: I would have to pull pk source to see it Jan 09 18:47:06 I am bit lazy Jan 09 18:47:38 I think it is u* ot m* values Jan 09 18:47:49 it should be u* Jan 09 18:49:22 Pali: all would be in micro-something, because values are in thousands (like 4123123 for voltage Jan 09 18:50:11 BTW biggest CHARGE_FULL ever got, guys? Jan 09 18:50:12 ok Jan 09 18:50:24 CHARGE_FULL is bad on n900 Jan 09 18:50:39 s/FULL/DESIGN/ Jan 09 18:50:41 Pali meant: CHARGE_DESIGN is bad on n900 Jan 09 18:51:08 as long as I was using BME as charge, I wasn't getting beyond 79xxxx Jan 09 18:51:33 now with one of batteries I got 1264494 Jan 09 18:51:47 you need to calibrate battery Jan 09 18:51:48 chip Jan 09 18:51:59 otherwise values will be incorrect Jan 09 18:53:15 Pali: I do, I do not use scripts, buer I got this power-something package for statusbar and changed from BME to bq27200 there and now I am getting to voltages like 3.2v before shutdown Jan 09 18:53:43 advanced power monitor, probably Jan 09 18:53:56 chip is self-calibrating (at least this is what datasheet says) Jan 09 18:54:11 kerio: you might be right Jan 09 18:54:14 APM? isn;t that a piece of crap? Jan 09 18:54:16 yep Jan 09 18:54:38 WizardNumberNext: it is self-calibrating, but BME does not allow it ti calibrate Jan 09 18:54:42 *to Jan 09 18:54:55 well, if you're lucky you might get to EDV1 for enough time Jan 09 18:55:00 i think Jan 09 18:55:03 freemangordon: it works better then BME, so it is better then nothing, but if you know something better I would jump right on it Jan 09 18:55:48 * freemangordon uses BME and waits Pali to finish with BME replacement stuff Jan 09 18:55:52 I noticedd that BME doesn't allow it to calibrate (voltage never falls to approparaite level) Jan 09 18:55:58 yep Jan 09 18:56:27 freemangordon: the bme replacement WORKSFORME Jan 09 18:56:51 kerio: KP is still not released Jan 09 18:56:54 KP52 Jan 09 18:57:04 kp52 also WORKSFORME Jan 09 18:57:07 :) Jan 09 18:57:32 what's new in KP52? Jan 09 18:57:35 kp is not released because extras-devel not working Jan 09 18:57:35 kerio: sure, but I have enough development stuff on my device Jan 09 18:57:37 stuffs Jan 09 18:57:45 Pali: I know :) Jan 09 18:57:52 notably, bridge interfaces Jan 09 18:58:00 also there is final ipv6 support Jan 09 18:58:02 actually I am wating for kernel in CSSU :D Jan 09 18:58:05 on my hdd Jan 09 18:58:05 *wating Jan 09 18:58:18 KP52 ... what about my bug report? Jan 09 18:58:26 freemangordon, migrated wiki is working :-) Jan 09 18:58:59 Pali: yep, but I was on certs, tklock, obexftp, what else? these days :) Jan 09 18:59:02 Pali: ^^^? Jan 09 18:59:04 kerio: does it mean it would be possible to implement hostapd on N900? Jan 09 18:59:23 luf, edit /etc/hosts Jan 09 18:59:31 WizardNumberNext, no Jan 09 18:59:34 afaik you can't hostap because of the hardware Jan 09 18:59:36 why? Jan 09 18:59:43 our wifi driver has not AP mode Jan 09 18:59:49 Pali: KP52 ... what about my bug report? Jan 09 18:59:49 you can do that with ad-hoc mode ofc Jan 09 18:59:57 but you only need iptables for that Jan 09 19:00:03 wait - let me se what linuxwireless is telling about it - maybe it is possible Jan 09 19:00:04 and that's been in kernel-power for ages Jan 09 19:00:24 I do not want ad-hoc - WPA doesn't work in ad-hoc Jan 09 19:00:25 WizardNumberNext, wl1251 kernel driver has no AP mode :-( Jan 09 19:00:26 Pali: iirc firmware supports AP mode, it is the driver that does not supports it. might be wrong though Jan 09 19:00:32 shit! Jan 09 19:00:37 WizardNumberNext, WPA2 working in ad-hoc too Jan 09 19:00:40 well, maybe the drivers that support injection could work Jan 09 19:00:45 how is that? Jan 09 19:00:49 look at wpa_supplicant example configuration Jan 09 19:01:17 but on maemo you need to turn off wlancond and install wpa_supplicant Jan 09 19:01:19 but WPA needs RADIUS server (which is in hostapd) Jan 09 19:01:31 I mean WPA-PSK Jan 09 19:01:34 not EAP Jan 09 19:01:48 RADIUS server is needed for WPA-EAP Jan 09 19:02:20 freemangordon, no Jan 09 19:02:28 firmware does not support AP mode Jan 09 19:02:29 even WPA-PSK still uses embedded radius - at least it looks like it - I see kernel messages on my server (I have two AP on it) Jan 09 19:02:36 only HW has support Jan 09 19:02:36 Pali: ok Jan 09 19:02:48 but firmware was not released (maybe not exists) Jan 09 19:02:56 wl1251 is in maemo Jan 09 19:03:04 wl1271 *has* AP mode Jan 09 19:03:11 would be great Jan 09 19:03:24 actually I was thinking about making it possible to stay connected to my private WLAN and at same tiume use 3G Jan 09 19:03:27 Pali: did someone try firmware from HARM? Jan 09 19:03:27 but wl1251 hw is different as wl1271 Jan 09 19:03:40 wrt android 4.2 not doing ad hoc Jan 09 19:03:40 freemangordon, will not work Jan 09 19:03:52 wl1251 and wl1271 are very different Jan 09 19:03:56 ok Jan 09 19:04:07 WizardNumberNext: it's possible Jan 09 19:04:15 it's just not supported by the UI and/or ICD2 Jan 09 19:04:19 I know - it is only up to software Jan 09 19:04:27 and now wl1251 is old HW and TI does not supporting it :-( Jan 09 19:04:42 I use Linux on server, desktop and laptop, so I am quite experienced in it Jan 09 19:05:17 WizardNumberNext, do you using WPA-EAP with hostapd? Jan 09 19:05:23 on server? Jan 09 19:05:44 wait I am just thinking about NETGEAR router - something like DGsomething - it have wl1251 Jan 09 19:05:50 and it works in AP Jan 09 19:05:59 really?? Jan 09 19:06:09 Pali: no I use WPA-PSK with hostapd Jan 09 19:06:26 I was to lazy to set up WPA-PSK there, but it is planned Jan 09 19:06:35 if it has TI wl1251 and AP working, can you share linux kernel with firmware? Jan 09 19:06:47 DG638v2 I suppose Jan 09 19:06:48 linux with sources? Jan 09 19:07:07 and there are soureces for it as well Jan 09 19:07:20 for whole lot! not only kernel Jan 09 19:07:32 2 years ago I tried to find FW for wl1251 with AP mode but nothing Jan 09 19:07:44 I have it somewhere on server - give me sec and I would get back with more knowlegde Jan 09 19:07:51 I did not find anything... Jan 09 19:08:06 BTW look it up on openwrt Jan 09 19:09:04 Netgear DG834v2 Jan 09 19:09:22 WizardNumberNext, also please check again if it has Texas Instruments wifi chip wl1251 Jan 09 19:09:55 I still did not belive that there is AP support in wl1251... Jan 09 19:13:48 ping lxp Jan 09 19:14:24 lxp, has wl1251 AP mode? Jan 09 19:14:25 Pali I am pretty sure, but cannot guaranty it Jan 09 19:15:33 lxp worked on wl1251 kernel driver, maybe will know something more Jan 09 19:15:51 hi Jan 09 19:16:07 not yet, but it should be possible Jan 09 19:16:21 lxp, is there firmware with AP mode support? Jan 09 19:16:44 i think there is one around, but i don't have it Jan 09 19:16:51 you can always use softap Jan 09 19:17:06 but it needs to be supported by the driver Jan 09 19:17:14 I did not find any FW with AP mode... Jan 09 19:17:16 what is softap?ň Jan 09 19:17:52 it is AP working on software only Jan 09 19:17:53 i haven't tested it myself but i think most ap drivers works with hostapd nowadays Jan 09 19:18:13 sry i meant most drivers supporting ap mode use hostapd Jan 09 19:18:42 not much of use, but I run my APs on RaLink RT2561s and RT3070 Jan 09 19:19:24 hostapd supports mac80211 drivers -> wl1251 is a mac80211 driver Jan 09 19:19:51 as far as i know the driver only needs to support a special ap mode which is nothing more than monitor mode+injection Jan 09 19:20:31 but i haven't experimented with it Jan 09 19:23:42 lxp, did you tried to upstream your changes in wl1251 again? Jan 09 19:24:33 version of wl1251 in maemo kernel has still better power management as in upstream kernels or your packet injection version Jan 09 19:25:37 no, i haven't finished the reimplementation which could eventually get accepted upstream Jan 09 19:26:31 are you talking about the 0.2 version or 0.1 version of my packet injection driver? Jan 09 19:26:56 0.2 includes some fixes which may affect power management Jan 09 19:27:28 0.2 Jan 09 19:28:13 run bq27200.sh for current Jan 09 19:28:44 Pali: I think I might be wrong about this router - most probably this wireless predates wl1251 and I cannot seam to find it to support any SPI or I2C (don't remeber which bus it is sitting on) Jan 09 19:29:05 SPI Jan 09 19:29:09 WizardNumberNext: I can't find any info about Netgear DG834v2 is using wl 1251 Jan 09 19:29:36 MrPingu: it looks like I got it wrong Jan 09 19:37:13 Pali: this is interesting, if you tested in managed mode with fully activated power saving then there must be some change i haven't noticed... it's somehow sad that nokia didn't upstream the maemo changes for wl1251 Jan 09 19:43:38 Pali, MrPingu: I am not sure if acx and wl1251 are the same devices or not - need to see on N900 schematics - get back after extensive search, if I would find what I am looking for Jan 09 19:45:34 BTW where wifi chip is located on N900? Jan 09 19:46:11 next to SIM? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 19:52:32 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 19:54:19 2013 Jan 09 20:02:15 WizardNumberNext: /hidden/docs/hw/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf Jan 09 20:02:29 on maemo.cloud-7.de Jan 09 20:03:06 I already have schematics, but cannot p[rint it for some strange reason (is this one printable?) Jan 09 20:03:08 please never post full URL (to hide it from spiders) Jan 09 20:03:50 dunno, i'd think it is, at least in some non-adobe pdf readers Jan 09 20:03:58 I won't post it anywhere - I wish to keep this copy where it is Jan 09 20:06:20 looks like it is printable - printer just woke up Jan 09 20:06:55 there's a component placement on last 2 or 3 pages Jan 09 21:00:44 Is the wifi chip on the N900 of high quality or something like that? I have another device which is 2 years newer and has much worse reception while it's even bigger. Jan 09 21:01:26 The one in my laptop is even better, but considering that it's only a phone, it's quite good. Jan 09 21:02:01 I thought wifi chips were commodity chips now, but apparently not all are created equally. Jan 09 21:02:15 It would be interesting to have scientific data on the various vendors. Jan 09 21:33:24 kerio: what's been the suggestion to revive 2G data connectivity? Jan 09 21:34:36 kerio: what's been the suggestion to revive 2G data connectivity? Jan 09 21:34:54 ~ping Jan 09 21:34:55 ~pong Jan 09 21:35:44 idk, reboot Jan 09 21:36:34 didn't you suggest killall ICD2 or sth Jan 09 21:36:41 or csd Jan 09 21:50:45 well, yes Jan 09 21:50:51 restart both ICD2 and sscd Jan 09 22:19:01 sscd, THANKS Jan 09 22:19:12 that's been the magic word Jan 09 22:19:23 I'll try it in 10 min Jan 09 22:37:55 Hello, I get from time to time “Internet Connection Failed” “Retry?” on my n900. Can I configure the n900 simply to retry without asking? Jan 09 22:41:24 fasta: Noticed the same, wifi on N900 is way better than all other handhelds Jan 09 22:41:45 MrPingu: who made the actual chip? Jan 09 22:42:01 TI Jan 09 22:42:06 wl1251 ;) Jan 09 22:42:36 MrPingu: my atheros chip is better (but it's in a laptop) Jan 09 22:42:56 fasta: with handhelds, I didnt mean laptops Jan 09 22:42:59 MrPingu: are they the same package? Jan 09 22:43:03 MrPingu: I understood. Jan 09 22:43:16 MrPingu: I mean: can a laptop chip be put into a cellphone? Jan 09 22:44:30 I don't know, I dont have enough knowledge of HW designing to answer that one Jan 09 22:47:00 What I assume you can use any wlanchip on any motherboard Jan 09 22:47:38 Doc: ^ Jan 09 23:00:08 sorry, doc doesn't highlight here Jan 09 23:01:21 anyway, HW design is your topic ;) Jan 09 23:01:25 the chips don't differ for cellphone Jan 09 23:02:04 antenna does Jan 09 23:02:16 That's what I thought Jan 09 23:03:07 and for embedded you more and more prefer BT+WLAN combo chips Jan 09 23:03:31 bbiab, afk Jan 09 23:03:45 Nah, it makes a2dp + browsing over wlan horrible :( Jan 09 23:04:07 it's separate chip on n90 Jan 09 23:04:08 n900 Jan 09 23:46:32 how can I delay command execution until some specific time? Is there alternative to "at" command? Jan 10 00:12:40 DocScrutinizer51: I would not say that chips do not differ between laptop and mobile - mobile doesn't have PCI-e or PCI, laptop doesn't have SPI or I2C (easily accessible and "extenable") Jan 10 00:13:49 I don't think there are many WLAN chips with PCI-E interface Jan 10 00:14:31 I might be wrong since I never checked Jan 10 00:15:27 sysax gone, meh Jan 10 00:22:36 there are just few, I know I was looking for top-notch wifi chip Jan 10 01:12:06 anyway to lurkers which might be curious: alternative to "at" for maemo5 is "alarmed" app Jan 10 01:13:28 http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmed/ Jan 10 01:14:35 with a tiny bit of help from my side on the general concept and the API Jan 10 01:14:42 and UI Jan 10 01:16:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=558772 Jan 10 01:17:52 Complete CLI-Interface Jan 10 01:17:53 Support for Cron syntax like "23,26 */3 1,2 * *" Jan 10 01:17:54 Support for date syntax like "now + 10 minutes" Jan 10 01:18:11 probably mostly courtesy DocScrutinizer05 Jan 10 01:21:50 mrpingu also gone. meh again Jan 10 01:23:01 anyway again for lurkers: WLAN and BT (A2DP) interfering by design, not by chip consolidation which rather improves coexistence Jan 10 01:23:47 Ugh Doc? Jan 10 01:24:01 IOW: using two antennae isn't an advantage, it's a waste of hw resources Jan 10 01:24:04 Can u upload my nmap package to repo? Jan 10 01:24:31 spoofy: I have not any better access to repo than you Jan 10 01:24:40 Uh ok :) Jan 10 01:24:42 ~dns Jan 10 01:24:55 ok nevermind, sorry ;) Jan 10 01:24:56 W*T*F?! Jan 10 01:25:05